Kia developing neurological problems?? :(

[ramanth]

I'm starting to get a little concerned here. I'm wondering if that seizure did more damage than I originally thought. :(

She's just not the same. Physically I believe she's doing okay, especially since all her tests came back normal during her annual vet check in June, but things have been happening that are making me suspicious that somethings not right.

It's like her obedience training is running in reverse. She's not listening to simple commands (I often have to repeat myself) and some tricks she pauses as if she has to think about what I said.

She's becoming more aggressive to other dogs while on leash.

The other day, just as we were getting ready to leave for Andys, she got in her crate and no matter what I said she would not come out. I finally had to pull her out and I said sternly, "I said come." She literally shriviled to a whimpering pile, tail between her legs, ears back and eyes wide, afraid. She had a "Please don't hit me" look. I've never laid a hand to her and cannot fathom why she'd react this way. She ran to the front door and cowered.

I sat and cried and she would not come near me.

When I go to my parents house, more and more, she refuses to leave. My dad has to lead her to the door and even then, it's a struggle to get her into the car.

I'm beginning to think that Kia no longer wishes to live with me or... gods forbid, loves me.

I just don't know what to do.

I don't want her to get away with things she shouldn't do, but everytime I raise my voice sternly, she freaks out. :(

I want my puppy back. :(

[Cincy'sMom]

How scary for you, Kim! I'm so sorry the Kia is going through this. I wish I had some ideas ofhow to help. Maybe a phone call to the vet, or even MSU? Other then a delayed affect of the pro-heart I can't imagine what might cause her to act so different. Has she been acting like she is feeling okay...eating and drinking normally, etc?

Hugs to you both

[ramanth]

Her appetite is wonderful and she drinks plenty of water.

It's so puzzling and frustrating. Not sure if my normal vet would be able to help since she seems fine physically.

Maybe a call to MSU would be good. Can't imagine how much a cat scan might cost... :eek:

[Cincy'sMom]

I think a cat scan may be in the range of $1000 :eek:

Maybe there is a medicine they can suggest to try without doing a scan? I am not not usually one to treat the symptoms without finding the cause, but in some cases the treatment may be the same, regardless.

I'll be racking my brain trying to come up with suggestions for your poor girl :(

[KYS]

I am so sorry!
I can understand how helpless,scared and frustrated you
must be feeling.
Maybe you should mention this change of behavior to
your vet.
I hope Kia will be ok.

Hugs Karen

[Logan]

Kimmy, I do hope you can get some answers. What disturbing behavior from sweet Kia. You may need to first rule out any medical issues, then even talk with an animal behaviorist to find out how you can "re-train" Kia to desensitize her to these things. I hate it for both of you. :( :( I wish I had some simple answers for you, but I'd bet if anyone can get to the bottom of this, it is you. Blessings to both of you.

Logan

[LorraineO]

I am so upset to hear all of this! thats awful that your baby is having problems.. it almost sounds like there is like a *short* in the brain,, causing confusion.... it sounds neurological to me for sure,, Can you take the your baby to a teaching hospital where you might be able to get the cat scan done for free??

Have some patience,, keep loving your wee one,,, they are still there,,, trust me,,,,,

[cloverfdx]

Oh Kimmy i am in tears reading this, i am so sorry Kia is not acting like her usual self. Yes i would have a talk to your Vet and see what they suggest. I will keep both you and Miss Kia in my thoughts and prayers.

{{Hugs}}

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I am so sorry to hear this Kim:( I will be keeping both of you in my thoughts, kia is such a sweet, beautiful girl, I hope you find out what's wrong soon:(:(

[lizbud]

Kim,

I'm so sorry to hear that Kia continues to have a problem like
this. I'm sure it must be as scary for poor Kia as it is for those
who love her.:( Do you know if Kia still experiences seizures
at all ? I've heard that a seizure can be as short as even a few
seconds. Some might be hard to spot.:( I will keep you & Kia in
my thoughts & prayers that an answer is found and she can be
helped to get better. Maybe Kia could be seen be a canine
neurologist at the Michigan Vet school. I'll be praying for a good
outcome for your beautiful girl. :) Let us know how things go.

[tatsxxx11]

I'm so upset to hear this Kimmy:(:(:( It must be devastating to see such a change in Kia's behavior, especially acting so stragnely toward her mommy:(:(:( Definitely, do what you can to rule out all the possible physiological causes first. I was thinking the same thing as Liz, that perhaps she might be experiencing small (petite mal) seizures which can be barely detectable and last only seconds. Anything new in her life that might be causing her added stress? If nothing appears to be going on with her physically, perhaps a behaviorist can help you sort all of this out. We're keeping you and Kia in our prayers, Kimmy. It breaks my heart to know your heart is breaking:( Please give Kia a big hug for me, ok? Keeping our paws crossed for you, dear Kia. Love, Sandra

[ramanth]

Thanks for the support everyone. :) *hugs*

She has had mini seizures (two that I've personally witnessed). It was simply that her legs were shaking for a period of time and she had no control over them. She was aware of it and would just stare at her legs and look at me totally confused.

It wouldn't surprise me if she was having mini seizures that were pretty much undetectable. :(

I just wasn't sure if the overall effects of seizures were similar to strokes.

I can deal with her not listening to me and can try to not take her acting fearfully towards me personally. If anything, it's the agression on a leash that's worrying me. She's shown no agression towards people thankfully, but I watch her like a hawk.

I wish I could blame this on the stress of the wedding plans, but she was acting funny before the proposal.

Off to do more searches....

[Cinder & Smoke]

:(

Hi God ~

We gotz a Speshul Request tuday ~
Need sum Speshul Help fur our Gud Buddie, Kia ~
an her Mom - Miz Kimmy...

Pleeze Wrap Your GodsPawz round em boff and ask da White Coatz to
reed up inna BigBook to figger ou whut'z wrong wiff her...

She's such a *NICE* Dawggie ~ we're all gonna be sendin up PURRayerz
an Krossin Pawz & Klaws till she's feelin better.

THANKS, God!!

/s/ the Prayer Pups
..

[K9soul]

How frightening and distressing Kimmy :(. I wish I had suggestions and ideas to share, but right now I really can't think of anything. I just wanted to offer my support and tell you Kia is in my thoughts, I'll be praying that you find answers and that something can help this. It made me feel teary-eyed just reading your description of her odd behavior :(

[snappy]

I know that after my Dad had his seizures (he had cancer and it had moved to his brain) there was quite a difference in his actions, attitude - pretty much some of the same things you are describing with Kia. From what I read up on humans - it can change your everyday behaviour.....:(


My Dad would get confused, mad etc. at the drop of a hat for no real reason. But as time wore on - he did get back to more of his old self - and that is my hope for you and Kia. Be patient with her and know that she is just trying to get those brain synapsis working again....... You are both in my (and my boys) thoughts and prayers........keep us posted please?!

[ramanth]

Snappy, thank you SO much for the input. :)

[Sudilar]

Oh, I am so sorry to hear this. I hope you can figure out what is going on quickly. Please keep us updated. Kimmy, you must be so worried!!

[Kona & Oreo's mom]

Oh, I'm so sorry to hear about Kia's changes. Poor girl! I'm sure it is just as scary for you, too. I'll keep her in my prayers. Kia is such a special girl!

[wolf_Q]

I'm sorry to hear this. I wish I had some advice for you but I honestly don't know. I hope you can figure out what is going on with sweet Kia. :(

[Karen]

Poor you, and poor Kia. I hope the vets can find something simple and treatable wrong, and that Kia gets back to being her sweet, sweet self. Give her a good belly-skritch for me, okay? Tell her we all love her, and hope she's back to her self soon.

[captain]

Please please let us know what the whitecoats find ....

{{{{hugs}}}} to you ..........

[ramanth]

Yesterday was a huge improvement. :D

She seemed more peppy to see me. When on our walk, I gave her simple commands, and when she listened I praised her.

I found a lot of sites that said a change in behavior can happen after a seizure. I don't think it's at a point where I need to medicate her. I decided to just be a little more patient with her since I'm aware of the change. If it gets to a point where she's totally unsociable around dogs and/or people, then a trip to the vet is what we'll do.

She was pretty vocal last night when dreaming, but seemed okay this morning.

[snappy]

I am glad to hear that she is doing better. Each day will show improvement I am sure. Keep us posted please?!

[lovemyshiba]

Glad to hear Kia is doing better today.

I'll definitely keep her in my prayers!!!

[Sudilar]

Glad to hear that Kia is better.

[Logan]

:) Your update makes me very happy, Kimmy. :)

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I'm so glad Kia is doing better. I was wondering if the seizure may have frightened her. It's got to be scary when your mind does that to you.

I had a dog that had seizures and she would always be jumpy and peek around corners for days, like she was seeing something I couldn't and it frightened her.

Prayers for continued improvement for precious Kia!

[cloverfdx]

What encouraging news, i hope Kia continues to improve. I will keep her in my prayers.

[4 Dog Mother]

Snoopy's behavior changed quite a bit after he started having the seizures - and the first few I did not even know he was actually having a seizure - it evidently happened when he was sleeping or I was not around. He didn't get more agressive but he acted confused, scared and whined ALOT! It took him a few days after taking phenobarbitol before he started to return to normal and even longer before he was his old self. The vet said they do not usually recommend medication unless they are having more than a couple a month or last a long time when they have them. Also the way the owner handles the seizure can decide whether medication is began or not. Hope whatever caused the problems goes away and stays away!

[wolflady]

{{{Kimmy, Kia}}}
I'm sorry to hear about this strange behavior from Kia, but I'm also glad to hear that she seemed to be a little better at the end of this thread. When I read your first post, I was thinking about it and wondered how long has this been happening? Is this just a recent behavior? When did you first notice the change?

Also, with her not wanting to leave your parents house, perhaps it's because she hasn't had any seizures there (?) and is afraid to leave because maybe she associates them with where you live and she's afraid? Not sure if any of these thoughts are right, but they came to mind when reading your post.

Please don't take her behavior towards you personally (I know it's hard to do though!). Have you discussed this change in behavior with your vet to see if he/she had any ideas/suggestions as to what may have caused the change? That is very puzzling, and I sure hope that she is ok. Thoughts and prayers are coming your way and please keep us posted.
Warmly,
Karen

[RobiLee]

I'm so sorry to hear about this, Kimmy. I'm glad the other day seemed a bit better. I hope things continue to improve. Such a scary thing to go through.

{{{Hugs for you and Kia}}}

Robin

[anna_66]

Hi Kimmy,

First let me say that I miss you and your girl tremendously when we are at the park, it's just not the same without you both:)
I'm glad to hear that you are making some headway on her behavior. I can't imagine how it makes you feel seeing her act scared of you. I hope this all works out and she gets back to being her old self again soon!
I'll be keeping you and Kia in my prayers.

Your Friend
Anna

[tatsxxx11]

How's Kia doing this weekend, Kimmy? I was glad to hear she was doing better!:) Hopefully you'll check back with an encouraging update:)

[shais_mom]

I am so sorry I missed this Kimmy. Bad Me. Keegan and I missed you and Kia also....
You and Kia will be in my thoughts and prayers. Poor you and poor Kia. I hope you can get to the bottom of things. I don't think you should take it personally either, I can not imagine that blue eyed baby NOT loving her mommy!! It would be like cutting off her leg. She is so bonded to you that I don't think that would happen ever. Could it be she just get's so comfortable at home and your parents house that she doesn't want to leave?
:confused: I don't know - you never know what is going on in their little heads do you?!

{{hugs to you and the crew}}