the presidential debates

[christa]

Richard: Couldn't have said it better myself.

I felt that Kerry was using Cheney's daughter's sexual orientation in order to SHOCK conservative voters . . . Sorry, just feel that that's a low blow. And it especially seems planned, considering that it's the second time it's come up during the debates, once by Kerry, once by Edwards.

Regardless of her lifestyle, she's Cheney's daughter . . . leave the kids out of it, Johnny Boy!!!

But I can't decide what's worse . . . Kerry's comments during the debate, or Elizabeth Edwards saying that the Cheney's are "ashamed" of their daughter. What gives her the authority or right to say that?

The Cheney's aren't very happy with what Kerry said.
Quotes taken from msnbc.com

Mrs. Lynne Cheney: “Now, you know, I did have a chance to assess John Kerry once more and now the only thing I could conclude: This is not a good man. Of course, I am speaking as a mom, and a pretty indignant mom. This is not a good man. What a cheap and tawdry political trick.”

VP Cheney: “You saw a man who will do and say anything to get elected, and I am not just speaking as a father here, although I am a pretty angry father.”

[Mkitty]

i just wanted to say that Bush is right to have his religious beliefs with him. it is what we were all originally founded from, and he i fine with other religions and isn't trying to shove it down people'ss throats who have different beliefs.

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by christa
VP Cheney: “You saw a man who will do and say anything to get elected, and I am not just speaking as a father here, although I am a pretty angry father.”

Uh-Oh!! Cheney's feelings are hurt! Boo-hoo! Quick, somebody call the whaaaaaaaa-mbulance!

I will give my full opinion, you all can take it or leave it. I'm so sick of hearing about this today.

This is politics. It's less than three weeks 'til the election. Things are going to get rough on both sides. Everyone has to deal with it. This is an extremely close race, and things are getting ugly. As usual.

I don't feel bad for the Cheneys at all. In fact, I feel disgusted by their behavior. Where was Lynne Cheney when Alan Keyes said Mary Cheney was practicing "selfish hedonism" by being a lesbian???

Oh, that's right. She said nothing, and let her other daughter Liz do the talking for her. Liz had no comment on this situation at that time.

Talk about a double standard.

The right wing is making it appear that it is shameful to have a lesbian daughter by making this an issue. I agree with Elizabeth Edwards 100% on that. Homosexuals are our family and friends and fellow Americans. I wish the right wing would stop demonizing them for political reasons. And, may I point out, Senator Kerry's raising this issue was completely relevant. The question was, "Are people born gay, or do they choose to be gay?" Pointing out that the most conservative vice president in US history has a gay daughter is a relevant point. It also shows Cheney to be the hypocrite that he is.

The Bush administration is openly against gay rights, and this issue is proof that the administration wants to place their religious beliefs on the entire nation. In addition to that, they want to use being gay as a wedge issue when they see fit and they want to use it as a compassion issue when they need the votes. Yes, that's right, the party that brings you the Defense of Marriage Act wants you to know that they are compassionate towards gay America. The administration's policy towards homosexuality has always been basically, "Who cares about them?", and for them to claim that they are outraged now is just the height of hypocrisy. Everyone knows by now Mary Cheney is gay, that is practically the basis of her career, for goodness sakes! And she works for her father's campaign! She's by no means exempt from this discussion. The real question is, why doesn't someone get HER opinion on all this? Wake me up when that happens.

Cheney and Bush don't care about homosexuality. They are just more than willing to channel existing homophobia into votes in their attempt to maintain power. Lynne Cheney is expressing "outrage" at this, when her own husband used their daughter's sexuality to try and appear more moderate before his debate with Edwards?? They are the ones with the 'cheap and tawdry political trick.'

A "low blow" is the Republican party using the excuse of religion to try to keep gay couples from visiting each other in the hospital if one of them is dying.

Now, having said all that, what is sad is that this is a non-issue. We should be focused on what real issues were talked out in the debate last night, things that will actually affect our lives. Instead we have to go round and round about this stuff, because the Republicans are making an issue of it. (EDIT: I should clarify that the non-issue I am referring to is all this commenting on Kerry and Edwards mentioning Mary Cheney, NOT gay rights. That is a very important issue.)

Now, let me wrap up by saying this: this is MY OPINION. I am just giving it, I'm not trying to force it on anyone, and I'm not angry at any of you all who posted your opinions as well. I am simply encouraging coversation here. Let's talk about it! I recognize that my view are far to the left, so who knows if anyone here will agree with me. But that's what I think on this subject.

:)

[RICHARD]

I still want to see Kerry bring it up in front of Cheney...

This country needs the fisticuffs that other countries have going on in their political arenas..


When someone pulled a 'Kerry' in my neighborhood, we'd punk him and send him out in the WAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMBULANCE!

There are three kinds of men out there

Good ones, bad ones and ones that takes pot shots at someone outside the room...

I meant to say two.;)

[K9soul]

I think it's really hard to know what to believe in any candidate trying to win office. I never quite know whether to believe they are really outraged and offended by the things they say against each other, or if it is all a face put on to win sympathy and support. It COULD be that Kerry's remarks were a low blow political jab... it's JUST as possible that Cheney and Lynne are putting on an outraged and victimized "mask" to make Kerry look worse. It's so hard to know what people's intentions and real feelings are when it comes to these political wars, how much is real and how much is staged for their audience, the voters.

I'm not saying it is one way or the other, I honestly truly don't know. I do think that political candidates on either side will use any leverage they can get though, it's just hard for me to figure out when they are truly feeling some emotion or if it is put on to further their cause. I think it's good to keep it in mind that what we see may not be what the reality is, on both sides.

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by Mkitty
i just wanted to say that Bush is right to have his religious beliefs with him. it is what we were all originally founded from, and he i fine with other religions and isn't trying to shove it down people'ss throats who have different beliefs.
He is when he's taking away women's rights just because he doesn't believe in abortion. That's fine if he believe's it's wrong but as I stated before, that shouldn't be something everyone should have to follow just because he believes it's wrong.

[doggylovr6]

Bush did almost nothing in the 4 years when he was president and so why have him waste time for 4 more years. Give Kerry a chance and he might actually do something!!! I know that he ses "talk to a terrorist" but maybe he means something else. ALL PRESIDENTS LIE!! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!




ANDREA

[Mkitty]

Actually, Bush believes in abortion when the woman's life is at stake, or when they have been raped. Abortion is an evil thing to do. It should not be allowed.:mad:

[doggylovr6]

and thats only 1 part why bush is a bad president

KERRY KERRY KERRRY KERRY

andrea

[christa]

Originally posted by doggylovr6
I know that he ses "talk to a terrorist" but maybe he means something else.

I'm sure he does! LOLOLOL

[dukedogsmom]

Mkitty, you are 13 or 14, correct? You might have totally different views when you're a woman. I felt the same as you when I was your age.

[Mkitty]

i don't think i will, and i'm 13, but i'm into politics because my whole family is. I got into it since this election started. This is just my oppinion.

[Uabassoon]

Actually, Bush believes in abortion when the woman's life is at stake, or when they have been raped.

This would make thing difficult though. Say abortion is banned and can only be allowed in the case of the mothers life being at stake or rape. Does this mean the woman has to "prove" she's been raped in order to get an abortion. Will she actually have to put someone on trial and win the case in order to be granted permission to have an abortion. Many women who are raped often to not press any charges. Can a woman simply just go to her doctor and say "I was raped" and then get an abortion?

This is why I am pro-choice, if a woman is raped she should be able to get it done without any questions.

[doggylovr6]

Originally posted by Uabassoon
This would make thing difficult though. Say abortion is banned and can only be allowed in the case of the mothers life being at stake or rape. Does this mean the woman has to "prove" she's been raped in order to get an abortion. Will she actually have to put someone on trial and win the case in order to be granted permission to have an abortion. Many women who are raped often to not press any charges. Can a woman simply just go to her doctor and say "I was raped" and then get an abortion?

This is why I am pro-choice, if a woman is raped she should be able to get it done without any questions.

you are so right!!!!! women dont just say, i got raped, normally those things dont come public till months later and thers a medical problem. I totally agree with you!!

andrea

[Mkitty]

I agree, but i think it will be obvious if a young teenager or even an older person has been raped. I just don't believe in abortion other than those two exceptions because avortion is a bad thing to do.

[mugsy]

Originally posted by Mkitty
Actually, Bush believes in abortion when the woman's life is at stake, or when they have been raped. Abortion is an evil thing to do. It should not be allowed.:mad:

It's fine that you believe that way, but, you should NOT force it on every other woman in this country. It may be wrong for you, but, it's not for all and when you get older, I hope that you begin to realize that....some people never do.

[Mkitty]

I am not trying to mugsy. i'm just doing what everyone else does. give their oppinion and make it known.

[Uabassoon]

Originally posted by Mkitty
I agree, but i think it will be obvious if a young teenager or even an older person has been raped. I just don't believe in abortion other than those two exceptions because avortion is a bad thing to do.

The truth is that most of the time it isn't obvious when a person has has raped.

So then a doctor will just be going on judgment? He's going to look at a woman and say "she looks like she was raped, I'll give her an abortion. But this lady, she looks like a liar so she won't get an abortion."

[Mkitty]

Well i'm not rying to get into an argument caus i did a littlewhen jonza upset christa so lets talk about another issue, but i do understand your points, and i hope you understand mine.

[christa]

You all are so against Bush "forcing" pro-life on everyone.

Seems like you're trying to "force" pro-choice on Mkitty.

I've been against abortion since I was her age . . . my morals and values have not changed . . . my views concerning abortion haven't changed.

This is a REALLY touchy subject . . . there will always be this debate, no matter who is in office.

[Mkitty]

thanks christa! I didn't want to get into a bad argument. And I agree with christa, about the Bush pro stuff.

[doggylovr6]

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anyway, i agree with uabasoon. a women is not going to just say, "I've been raped" especially in court, and i doubt that the women is gonna say it in private to bush. and if a women duz say sumtin, she could be lying just to get abourshment!!!! Bush is stupid to beleive that some women is gonna say "hey dude, i was raped, i want abourshment"BUSH IS STUPID!!!!!




andrea

[mugsy]

I am not trying to force MKitty to be anything. I will respect her beliefs. I just want her to realize that whomever is president needs to look past his/her beliefs and do what is best for America, or what most Americans want. I think that it's admirable that she is so young and has the moxy to defend her beliefs. I may not agree, but, I admire her for sticking to her guns.


Now, the debate. Last night was extremely frustrating to me because both of them avoided questions and gave the old..."if I'm elected I will...." and never once told us HOW they were going to do it. It's all well and good to say that they're going to do it, but, I want to know how....if they don't tell me, I throw it out as not worth my time because I know it won't ever happen. Like I said before...I don't think either man won this one. I think one of us should run and then maybe we could get something changed...;)

[CathyBogart]

Then there is another hard question....how do we define "rape". I feel that I was "raped" when my ex popped a condom to get me pregnant....but I don't think it was rape in the traditional sense of the word since I did not object to the actual act. If abortion were allowed only in cases of rape, would this be grounds for an abortion since I was mislead, or would it not, since I willingly trusted my then boyfriend to do what he said he was going to?

There are so many of these grey areas, it would be impossible to come to a happy medium for everyone.

doggylovr: We're trying to be somewhat NONconfrontational here...let's not just throw around statements that are only going to get this thread locked, mmkay? :)

[Mkitty]

im sorry everyone and i do understand your guys points, but i have my own and it would be nice if people understood mine. i don't think i did much to get anyone md but i maybe got a little to annoying lol

[leslie]

I would not post anything regarding Bush's religion were it not of special interest, he is not JUST a christian. THAT'S why I was asking if anyone could remember. Nevermind, I'll do a search. I have a memory deficit from aging!

[leslie]

http://www.costanzo.org/Rex/Commentary/Bush%20Religion.htm
http://jesuspolitics.typepad.com/jesus_politics/2004/09/james.html

[Uabassoon]

Originally posted by Mkitty
im sorry everyone and i do understand your guys points, but i have my own and it would be nice if people understood mine. i don't think i did much to get anyone md but i maybe got a little to annoying lol

I'm in no way mad I honestly don't think anyone is mad at you, and I understand your views. I just want to know how exactly it would work if you say that women should only have abortions if they have been raped. I want to understand how one would go about judging who could have an abortion and who couldn't.

[Logan]

Originally posted by leslie
I would not post anything regarding Bush's religion were it not of special interest, he is not JUST a christian. THAT'S why I was asking if anyone could remember. Nevermind, I'll do a search. I have a memory deficit from aging!

Leslie, are you asking which denomination Bush is? I didn't see your questions. Just in case you are asking, Bush is a United Methodist. There was an interesting article on MSNBC the other day about his faith and how he does not necessarily follow the doctrine of the United Methodist Church. I'll see if I can find it. I want to print it off and ask my minister about whether the claims the author made about the church's views is correct.

[christa]

Not suggesting that polls are accurate . . . found this interesting, especially considering that Kerry supposedly won the last debate. ;)

"Bush led Kerry 48-44 percent in the latest three-day tracking poll, which included one night of polling done after Wednesday's debate in Tempe, Arizona. Bush led Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, by only one point, 46-45 percent, the previous day."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20041015/pl_nm/campaign_poll_friday_dc

[lizzielou742]

Has Zogby started counting the opinions of first time voters, or are they still ignored?

It's way too close to call right now. Every five minutes another poll or website is coming up with something different.

But thanks for the update. ;)

[BCBlondie]

Originally posted by Pam
Then BCBlondie I would have to leave the church. How can you continue to consider yourself Catholic with the feelings you have. Perhaps you should look for another religion but I think you will have a hard time finding one that supports murdering babies. I think many people today are walking around making up their own religions - ones which support their own views. (i.e., the gospel according to Soledad).
Whoever said I was Catholic? :p
I'm an Atheist. I've said that before... all I said was I went to a Catholic school.. doesn't mean I'm Catholic. I also have other Atheist, some Buddhist, and a Muslim friend that went to my Catholic school.

Okay, so I'm guessing you're against abortions.
What about women's rights?
There's a lot of sexism in the Catholic Church.
(My Catholic friends are born and raised in a Catholic family, Baptized, etc, but they don't agree with some of the Catholic Church's opinions on some things, such as women's rights (ex: women being priests). That's all I was trying to say.)

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything. If you feel that way, I'm really sorry. I'm just trying to show you my point of view and the point of view of other Christians. I know a LOT of people that are Catholic or Muslim or whatever, and there are some parts of their religion that they don't necessarily believe or feel is right.

Then again, I guess the American government is a bit sexist too. Women aren't allowed to be president either.
That's one good thing about the country I'm from - Latvia actually has a WOMAN president at the moment. :D

[christa]

Originally posted by lizzielou742
Has Zogby started counting the opinions of first time voters, or are they still ignored?

It's way too close to call right now. Every five minutes another poll or website is coming up with something different.

But thanks for the update. ;)

It's like I said before, there's no way that polls are even close to being accurate.

I just posted that because someone else posted polls right after the 3rd debate.

We won't know until Nov. 2 . . . plain and simple. It's just too close to call.

[Pam]

Originally posted by BCBlondie
Whoever said I was Catholic? :p
I'm an Atheist. I've said that before... all I said was I went to a Catholic school.. doesn't mean I'm Catholic. I also have other Atheist, some Buddhist, and a Muslim friend that went to my Catholic school.


Sorry for the misunderstanding. It wasn't clear to me that you were an atheist. What I meant by my comment was that in my humble opinion if someone no longer believes in the doctrine of the religion they were raised in it's time to move on. I will never understand people carrying a "label" to their grave when they never believed in the religion in reality. Good for you. At least you have taken your own stand. Everyone must at some point in their life form their own beliefs.

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by BCBlondie

Then again, I guess the American government is a bit sexist too. Women aren't allowed to be president either.


Women are allowed to be President here, it just hasn't happened....yet. ;)

[Uabassoon]

I will never understand people carrying a "label" to their grave when they never believed in the religion in reality.

Pam it is possible to be of a certain religion and not believe 100% of their teaching, for example I know lots of people that are Catholic but don't believe in every little thing they teach. Many women don't agree with their view on birth control. If a woman wants to use it then she should. What if a woman is married but isn't ready for children. She should abstain even though she is married because she wants to wait before having children? So just because you don't agree with a few small things doesn't mean you need to toss out the entire religion.

[Pam]

Originally posted by Uabassoon
Pam it is possible to be of a certain religion and not believe 100% of their teaching, for example I know lots of people that are Catholic but don't believe in every little thing they teach.

I suppose for some it may be. It wouldn't work for me. I have to embrace my faith/religion entirely or not at all. I don't want to be misunderstood here. It's not my intention. My dad was born a Catholic but somewhere in his 20's he abandoned his church because he, like many, didn't agree with a lot of the doctrine. He then met my mom, who is Protestant, and over time came to embrace her religious faith. In my dating years I dated boys of the Catholic faith and Jewish faith and which prompted me to study what they believed and then had to sort it all out for myself. That's basically what I mean when I say we all have to choose for ourselves. I know there are many people who wear their religion as a label but in reality it doesn't mean much for them. Hope you understand what I am saying. :)

[Uabassoon]

Pam, I pretty much understand what you are saying. That is the reason why I left the Catholic religion and chose not to get confirmed during my early teens, despite my family wishes. However I do feel that sometimes there are one or two small things that you might not agree with, but you have to look at the big picture. I didn't like the big picture, so I left.

[tatsxxx11]

I understand what you're saying, Pam:)

Although I do belong to an organized religion, love my church, hold true to it's doctrines and have great faith in God, ultimately, for me, it is not the credo of an organized group that defines my belief in God or directs my behavior. It IS my guidepost and beckon, but in the end, it is my heart, my conscience that guides me.

Institutions, like indiviudals are falible. The "church" that teaches us to love thy neighbor is also that church that at one time, foisted upon the world the Inquistion and the Crusades and the Salem Witch Trials, all in the name of God and his word and will. God was not at fault, humans were.

Growing up, my Catholic friends were told that if they ate meat on Fridays, they were damned to eternal Hell. After reconsideration by the Vatican, that edict was reveresed. Divorce was once prohibited by the church and to do so, meant excommunication; no longer. Today, all of the above examples have been either reconsidered and reversed, as with meatless Fridays and divorce, or deemed by the church as horrific misapplications, misrepresentations of their religions. Sadly, throughout the ages, autrocities have been perpetrated upon the world, justified in the name of religion and God. It does not necessarily reflect of the efficacy of organized religion, only that as humans, we are not perfect.

I was reading an article the other day regarding the history of religion in politics. One revelation in particular struck me. In essence it stated this. Over 40 years ago, when JFK, the first Catholic to run for Pres., decided to do so, he was compelled to provide a leary and fearful electorate with the reassurance that we would indeed run for the presidency, but only with the proviso that he would keep his religion OUT of the White House! It was feared that the White House would be under the direct control of the Vatican. Today, we cheer, support and defend a president for doing just the opposite; for speaking openly about his religious convictions and assuring us all that unlike JFK, his beliefs do guide his decisions and will affect his policy. A lot has changed over the past 50 years.

[leslie]

Except Bush has not kept religion out of his political (esp. re: Saddam) decisions. if the urls i posted don't say enough, just do your own google search. there is plenty of reading material there and Bush himself acknowledges that he "wears his religion on his sleeve".

[lizzielou742]

Yeah, he wears his religion on his sleeve and doesn't attend church (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=vKO1twmWG2Uvnyi2qoWQfW%3D%3D).

[Mkitty]

It is good that Bush has his religion with him, and it is what we were all originally founded from.

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by Mkitty
it is what we were all originally founded from.

Excuse me?? Explain please.

[Pam]

Originally posted by lizzielou742
Yeah, he wears his religion on his sleeve and doesn't attend church (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=vKO1twmWG2Uvnyi2qoWQfW%3D%3D).

Lizzie, my husband is not a member of my church and does not attend frequently either but that makes him no less of a Christian than I.

I have a question about this from your article:
A recent Kerry campaign pool report included this observation: "Both Mr. and Mrs. received communion, taking the host from the priests in their hands (others took direct to mouth). They spent ample time on the kneeler."

I was under the impression that Mrs. Kerry is not a Catholic. Is this true? If so, how is she able to take communion in a Catholic church? Recently I attended two Catholic weddings and the priests admonished the attenders: "communion is only for Catholics in good standing." I did not take communion at these weddings because I am not a Catholic in good standing and not even a Catholic at all. Do you know what Mrs. Kerry's story is? Just curious.

By the way, there is no such instruction before communion in my church. It is open to anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.

All of the above aside, I will be so happy when all of this is over. The incessant fighting and reporting is getting to be too much really, and I mean on both sides. *sigh*

[Pam]

Nevermind. I just did a little search on Google and here is what I found out:


“After a brief courtship, a short period of cohabitation, and the signing of a prenuptial agreement, the Kerrys were married in a civil ceremony on Nantucket in 1995.”

There is a world of meaning here for Catholics, and for anyone who takes Kerry’s professions of faith seriously. He and his wife, both baptized Catholics, are living together in defiance of Catholic teaching. In the eyes of the Church, their marriage is invalid: Catholics may not marry outside the Church. The issue of abortion aside, the Kerrys are both ineligible to receive Communion.

I'm not trying to create a fuss here. I just don't understand why they are calling themselves Catholics since they don't seem to consider the teachings of their church important and their taking of communion is apparently not permitted.

[lizzielou742]

Pam,

That is an interesting question. I had heard reports on Kerry's faith, but never on his wife's. Personally, I don't know much about Catholicism and taking communion rules, so I can't respond to your questions on that.

I also agree, I will be glad when Nov. 2nd is over with!!! :)

[dukedogsmom]

I can't wait until it's over! I'm sick of the local political ads, as well. I hate election year!

[Pam]

I agree Dukedogsmom. After this is all over, we can kiss and make up! LOL! :p (no matter who wins, and I really mean that. I am sick of it!)

[Mkitty]

Some of you may not believe this, but we were all originally founded by judeo-christianity. That's all I have to explain. I'm not trying to get on people's nerves though.

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by Mkitty
Some of you may not believe this, but we were all originally founded by judeo-christianity. That's all I have to explain. I'm not trying to get on people's nerves though.

I wasn't "founded by" anything. I evolved from apes.

Hee hee :)

Seriously though - not everyone believes what you believe. I'm not trying to be rude. I guess I'm just a bit taken about by your posts on this subject.

[Mkitty]

I know not everyone believes what i wrote and believe. I'm not trying to be rude either, and I hope you and me can be friends instead of fighting about this. Truce?

[lizzielou742]

Truce! I'm not for fighting either.

[Mkitty]

Cool, because we all have our different beliefs and I respect that. Do you wanna be buddies maybe? It would be interesting to learn about eachother's beliefs and views. I'm glad we have a truce!

[mugsy]

MKitty, it is true that our founding Fathers founded our nation based on their Judeo Christian beliefs, but, also took into consideration that not everyone believed the same way so, decided that the government and religion should be kept separate.

Lizzie, we are on the same evolutionary line as apes, not evolved from apes because if we evolved from them then apes wouldn't exist anymore. I got this lecture from my friend who is an anthropologist, so I thought I would pass it along! ;) :D

I am looking forward to election day, but, am also growing very weary of the fighting and name calling, and everything else negative that invariably happens in election years.

[Mkitty]

Yes that's what I have been trying to say. That all of us have different beliefs and views.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by mugsy


Lizzie, we are on the same evolutionary line as apes, not evolved from apes because if we evolved from them then apes wouldn't exist anymore.


Correct.

Just look at the stands during an Oakland Raiders game...
:eek:

[Logan]

LOL!!! Richard, I don't know anything about the Oakland Raiders fans, but you made me laugh!!!!! :D :D :D

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Logan
LOL!!! Richard, I don't know anything about the Oakland Raiders fans, but you made me laugh!!!!! :D :D :D


http://www.raiderfans.net/blackhole/images/gallery/scan0070.jpg

http://www.raiderfans.net/blackhole/images/gallery/scan0075.jpg



It's a sports thing.

;)

[BCBlondie]

LOL!!! I live really close to the Oakland Stadium, so I see a lot of those Raider fans going to games! :p

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by mugsy

Lizzie, we are on the same evolutionary line as apes, not evolved from apes because if we evolved from them then apes wouldn't exist anymore. I got this lecture from my friend who is an anthropologist, so I thought I would pass it along! ;) :D



Sting would rather see chimp in White House

Sting says he would rather see "a chimp" in the White House than George W Bush.

Speaking to the German Welt am Sonntag newspaper, the former Police front man said he would "rather vote for a chimpanzee than Bush" if he had the chance to vote on November 2.

Sting said a politician should be able to think and express himself, and he added he saw "no sign" that Mr Bush was capable of either.

He described challenger John Kerry as honest and upright, but said the Democratic candidate lacks humour.

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Mr. Bonzo goes to Washington?

Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Stewart fans will get the joke!!

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A sense of humor, honesty and uprightedness makes a good candidate??

That counts ME out!!!!:o

[Pam]

Well this has nothing to do with the immediate theme at hand, but I just thought I would say something in regard to my posts in the Dog House of late. My daughter was reading some of the threads and said she felt some of my posts were less than nice and not typical of the person that I really am on the inside. :o I guess sometimes my buttons just get pushed and I respond and maybe get carried away. I don't mean to offend anyone and I think that the vast majority of my posts have been responses to threads rather than initiating something controversial myself. For this reason, I am not going to read the Dog House posts any more. It's better for me to stay with pets. :) If I have offended anyone I am sorry. But......I still hope Bush wins! LOL!

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Pam
I guess sometimes my buttons just get pushed and I respond and maybe get carried away.

I know how you feel.

'Blend' and 'Frappe' get me going.
:confused:

[Logan]

Pam, those of us who know you well, know that anything you say is out of loyalty and concern for having the truth be told. I would hate to not have you participate any more. :(

Richard, you are just too funny!!! :D :D

[christa]

Pam, I hate to hear that you'll no longer be in the DogHouse. :(

I've thought about it myself before . . . I'm sure plenty of people on here find me snotty . . . I've been called arrogant & rude countless times . . . but those that accuse me should look in the mirror. That's why it doesn't bother me so much.

I appreciate the times you backed me up.

See ya in PT.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by christa
. I'm sure plenty of people on here find me snotty . . . I've been called arrogant & rude countless times . . . but those that accuse me should look in the mirror. That's why it doesn't bother me so much.

I got my membership card to your fan club today...

Does that make me arrogant and rude too?:eek:

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I got my flu shot on Monday, so snotty is out!