People Creating New Breeds Grrrr!

[Pam]

I was just leisurely looking over this morning's newspaper (didn't get to it in the morning :) ). Anyway, I always go to the "Dogs for Sale" ads and I shouldn't because I usually come away sad. Today I came away sad and angry. :mad: Someone is selling a litter of puppies called Golden Doodles. Are you ready for the price tags on these pupsters? $900 for females and $800 for males. :eek:

Now I personally happen to be very fond of poodles and golden retrievers. In fact I think they are both extraordinary breeds and rank high up there on my *favorites* list. (And believe me my list is long!) :) The thing that galls me is that someone has taken it upon themselves to mix these two wonderful breeds and come up with a dog that has no breed standard with which to conform and they are asking a ridiculous price as well. Pardon me but this ad just smacks of "I want to make some quick money." :mad: Of course many of the ads in this section of the paper are back yard breeders, however my wonderful RB poodle, Whitney, came through a responsible and respected breeder and I found her through an ad. Maybe that is why I still visit this section of the paper. *sigh*

I think what is making me so mad is that people are creating mixed breeds while the shelters are full of them, and these so- called breeders have no earthly idea what they are doing. Although I want these puppies to find loving forever homes, I hope that no one is foolhardy enough to pay the price they are asking so that this might encourage this person/persons to do this again. I think the higher price for the females means that they expect that people will breed the females and, in turn, make a few bucks so they want a piece of the pie. :mad: Maybe I am over-reacting but this just made me sick and I had to vent. :(

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I HATE it too:mad: Golden doodles and Labradoodles have been around for a while now though. They actually have a purpose in Australia and were bred for a specific reason but now back yard breeders are breeding them and sellin them for way too much money.

[lute]

i totally understand! i don't get how people can do that!:mad:

i have seen a LONG list of *breeds* like this.
labradoodle (lab/poodle)
puggle (pug/beagle)
maltipoo (maltese/poodle)
bichpoo (bichon/poodle)
boxerdoodle (boxer/poodle)
cairnoodle (cairn terrier/poodle)
chipoo (chihuahua/poodle)
cockapoo (cockerspaniel/poodle)
daisy dog (bichon/poodle/shih tzu)
doodleman pinscher (doberman/poodle)
english boodle (english bulldog/poodle)
lhasapoo (lhasa apso/poodle)
papoo (papillon/poodle)
pekepoo (pekingese/poodle)
pomapoo (pomerainian/poodle)
pugapoo (pug/poodle)
schnoodle (schnauzer/poodle)
shepadoodle (german shep/poodle)
weimerdoodle (weimaraner/poodle)
yorkiepoo (yorkshire terrier/poodle)


i'm sure there are more. these are just the few that i know of.

[senorita02]

That is just absurd! A golden doodle, i think i have seen one before and it is very cute but all dogs are cute, these people should be banned pretending to create a new breed, and making that much $$ for it!

[GoldenRetrLuver]

You're not overreacting at ALL, Pam!

I've seen them over here too. It's VERY sad and frustrating. Too many irresponsible people in the world. *sigh* :(

I know with Guide Dogs of America they breed Goldens and Poodles together to be used as Guide Dogs. They combine the Golden Retriever's personality, and the Poodle's hypoallergenic coat.

[wolflady]

I agree with you 100%, Pam. It's just rediculous what people like this are doing, and probably worse, are the people that buy into it!! It's stupid!
They sell mix breed puppies (along with the masses of puppy mill puppies) at one of our small local pet stores here at extremely high prices, and people buy them! :eek: I don't see why people would do that, when there are perfectly good mixed breeds (not to mention pure breeds)at our local shelter :mad:

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
You're not overreacting at ALL, Pam!

I've seen them over here too. It's VERY sad and frustrating. Too many irresponsible people in the world. *sigh* :(

I know with Guide Dogs of America they breed Goldens and Poodles together to be used as Guide Dogs. They combine the Golden Retriever's personality, and the Poodle's hypoallergenic coat.

Do you know if guide dogs of America is doing a proper breeding program like is being followed in Australia? Just curious.


We groom a couple of golden doodles. But that's all I'll say about them.

[BCBlondie]

Originally posted by lute
i totally understand! i don't get how people can do that!:mad:

i have seen a LONG list of *breeds* like this.
labradoodle (lab/poodle)
puggle (pug/beagle)
maltipoo (maltese/poodle)
bichpoo (bichon/poodle)
boxerdoodle (boxer/poodle)
cairnoodle (cairn terrier/poodle)
chipoo (chihuahua/poodle)
cockapoo (cockerspaniel/poodle)
daisy dog (bichon/poodle/shih tzu)
doodleman pinscher (doberman/poodle)
english boodle (english bulldog/poodle)
lhasapoo (lhasa apso/poodle)
papoo (papillon/poodle)
pekepoo (pekingese/poodle)
pomapoo (pomerainian/poodle)
pugapoo (pug/poodle)
schnoodle (schnauzer/poodle)
shepadoodle (german shep/poodle)
weimerdoodle (weimaraner/poodle)
yorkiepoo (yorkshire terrier/poodle)


i'm sure there are more. these are just the few that i know of.

Another one is Aussiedoodle :( (australian shepherd/poodle)

Purposely mixing breeds like this makes me so angry!!:mad:

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Originally posted by lute
i totally understand! i don't get how people can do that!:mad:

i have seen a LONG list of *breeds* like this.
labradoodle (lab/poodle)
puggle (pug/beagle)
maltipoo (maltese/poodle)
bichpoo (bichon/poodle)
boxerdoodle (boxer/poodle)
cairnoodle (cairn terrier/poodle)
chipoo (chihuahua/poodle)
cockapoo (cockerspaniel/poodle)
daisy dog (bichon/poodle/shih tzu)
doodleman pinscher (doberman/poodle)
english boodle (english bulldog/poodle)
lhasapoo (lhasa apso/poodle)
papoo (papillon/poodle)
pekepoo (pekingese/poodle)
pomapoo (pomerainian/poodle)
pugapoo (pug/poodle)
schnoodle (schnauzer/poodle)
shepadoodle (german shep/poodle)
weimerdoodle (weimaraner/poodle)
yorkiepoo (yorkshire terrier/poodle)


i'm sure there are more. these are just the few that i know of.

There's also the Bichon/shih-tzu:rolleyes: They're probably the most popular breed in my city. It's pathetic.

[wolfie]

I agree there are so many homeless pets in this world. And sadly females are probably more expensive because they think that someone might breed her, and make a buck off it. :( It's really sad.

and the rest isn't aimed at you Pam :) , I'm just wondering out loud...

Aren't there purebreds in shelters too? Shouldn't it be outrageous that people breed purebreds, and then charge close to $1000 for puppies? I don't understand the double standard for breeders of mixes vs. purebreds.

And isn't it entirely possible that a breeder of mixes could be very responsible? Health test all their pups, show them in obedience ect, temperament test them, have a spay/neuter contract with buyers, screen homes, ect ect. If this person was breeding purebreds people would say they were responsible, but if they're breeding mixes they aren't?

And just for the record, I think everyone should get a dog from the pound! There are way to many homeless dogs to breed more.

[binka_nugget]

Originally posted by wolfie
Aren't there purebreds in shelters too? Shouldn't it be outrageous that people breed purebreds, and then charge close to $1000 for puppies? I don't understand the double standard for breeders of mixes vs. purebreds.

And isn't it entirely possible that a breeder of mixes could be very responsible? Health test all their pups, show them in obedience ect, temperament test them, have a spay/neuter contract with buyers, screen homes, ect ect. If this person was breeding purebreds people would say they were responsible, but if they're breeding mixes they aren't?

And just for the record, I think everyone should get a dog from the pound! There are way to many homeless dogs to breed more.

I guess I understand where you're coming from. Kaedyn's a purebred and he came from the pound.

I think the only reason anyone should breed is to keep the breed alive. As much as I love mixes, they have no standard so the only thing the breeder could be breeding for is for a "nice" temperment. "Nice" temperments are great but there are already many dogs with "nice" temperments in the pounds. And "nice" defined by one person may differ from someone else's definition of "nice". So I guess my opinion is yes, people who breed mixes can do all the same things as a purebred breeder but I still wouldn't support the idea because they're breeding for something that so many shelter dogs already have.

[dappledoxie]

I agree Ashley. I think there are so many great dogs at the pound, but at the same time I do feel that the breeders who really know what they are doing need to breed and sell dogs with limited registrations so that the breeds do stay around, it's just one of those things I think. :D lol

Oh and about the mixing breeds thing, I do think that is very unnecessary, I mean, there's like 300+ breeds, why do we need more?

[manda99]

I kind of agree with the anger here...
When I found out my sister was getting a Puggle I was turned off. When she said they talked to a few Puggle breeders I was still turned off. When she told me they finally got one from a pet store I was even more skeptical ....
But then again, at least this dog has a good home and a lot of love and will get any medical attention he needs.
And I can only hope that they become more educated, as I have, and recognize shelter dogs need adoption and love, too.

[rusticnature]

It's ridiculous! :mad: There are way to many homeless, starving and unwanted dogs in the world without stupid selfcentered ppl breeding more! they only want the money. But it's hard though, as much as you don't want to buy one of these dogs and support the back-yard breeders by giving them money, whats gonna happen to the poor dogs if no one buys them. I mean they're alive now. They need a home and affection too.
My Chinese Crested Powder Puff, Bella, came from a rescue centre, she'd been abandoned by careless owners, probably because she has a heart murmer. She now lives a happy life. Everyone should get pets who really need owners.

[Uabassoon]

whats gonna happen to the poor dogs if no one buys them. I mean they're alive now. They need a home and affection too.

I know it's sad to think of what will happen to these dogs if no one adopts them. What's sadder though is that for everyone of these dogs that is sold another puppy will just replace it. If people keep buying them then back yard breeders will just continue the cycle. In the long run it's better for these dogs to not get sold and stop many generations of puppy mill and back yard puppies from being born.

[rusticnature]

I guess it is, but it's just hard to feel that youre making the right desicion.

By the way, how dyou include a picture in a signature? I'm new here. :D

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by lute
i totally understand! i don't get how people can do that!:mad:

i have seen a LONG list of *breeds* like this.
labradoodle (lab/poodle)
puggle (pug/beagle)
maltipoo (maltese/poodle)
bichpoo (bichon/poodle)
boxerdoodle (boxer/poodle)
cairnoodle (cairn terrier/poodle)
chipoo (chihuahua/poodle)
cockapoo (cockerspaniel/poodle)
daisy dog (bichon/poodle/shih tzu)
doodleman pinscher (doberman/poodle)
english boodle (english bulldog/poodle)
lhasapoo (lhasa apso/poodle)
papoo (papillon/poodle)
pekepoo (pekingese/poodle)
pomapoo (pomerainian/poodle)
pugapoo (pug/poodle)
schnoodle (schnauzer/poodle)
shepadoodle (german shep/poodle)
weimerdoodle (weimaraner/poodle)
yorkiepoo (yorkshire terrier/poodle)


i'm sure there are more. these are just the few that i know of.

Wow, those poodles sure are popular dogs!! :eek: :D

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by wolfie

Aren't there purebreds in shelters too? Shouldn't it be outrageous that people breed purebreds, and then charge close to $1000 for puppies? I don't understand the double standard for breeders of mixes vs. purebreds.

And isn't it entirely possible that a breeder of mixes could be very responsible? Health test all their pups, show them in obedience ect, temperament test them, have a spay/neuter contract with buyers, screen homes, ect ect. If this person was breeding purebreds people would say they were responsible, but if they're breeding mixes they aren't?


I don't think we are bashing mutt breeders in particular -- but backyard breeders. Yes, we have purebreds in the shelter, but they come from backyard breeders (any reputable breeder would have a contract saying that if the person must give up the dog, it goes straight back to the breeder). I don't think that charging $1000 is a bad thing when a reputable breeder does it -- they spent thousands and thousands of dollars for their dogs to be in top condition to breed, and even at that price it's unlikely that they will make a profit.

I don't believe there is such thing as a responsible mutt breeder, because a reputable breeder only breeds for the better of the breed --- when breeding mutts, that's impossible because it isn't a specific breed -- it's a mixed breed, and who knows which traits from either parent it carries? Which traits would you want to improve and better in the course of breeding? For what purpose would this dog be bred, and with both parents being different breeds, will it serve the purpose well enough? Are both the breeds alike enough that the person getting the dog will know what to expect, or will it have an undetermined personality, coat, energy level, etc? Someone not knowing what they are getting and then getting stuck with something they didn't want is a dangerous outcome -- that just means more dogs in shelters.

Personally I think we should stick with the breeds we've got, and that there should be a lisence to breed. I think that anyone not fitting the qualifications of a reputable breeder should not be allowed to breed by law.

I recently talked with someone who had bought a shi-pom from a pet shop. Probably came from a puppy mill. :( Among the dogs in the pet shops here in Kelowna, poodle mixes are most common. That's because Kelowna is the retirement city of Canada -- lots of seniors want to live here, and they all like small dogs, especially poodles and poodle mixes. And I've also heard that puppy mills like to breed poodle mixes, because breeding purebred poodles is harder -- you get less puppies, and more birthing troubles. They say that if you breed a larger breed, liek a shi tzu, with a male poodle, you will get more pups, and the birth won't be as difficult. :(

[cali]

the popular mix I keep seeing here now is pug/shih tzu there are ad's for them in like every second ad in the paper. you will also find a lot of BC/heeler mixes in the paper. as for my opinion on breeding mixes, well my definintion of a good breeder is not exactly the same as many peoples, I dont really care if a responsable person breeds mixes, its the mills and BYBs that are the problem, and just as there are BYBs and responsable breeders for purbreds there is the same for mixed breeds. I dont beleive in breeding for apearence, and as everyone here already knows I am highly against showing. however the only reason I am against showing is because it promotes breeding to an appearence standerd. yes, a good breeder breeds to a breed standerd, however I am hardly speaking of apearence. when people breed mixes for a reason I have nothing whatsoever against it. for example I support the breeding of BorderJacks, of coarse I dont suport the puppy mills and BYBs that produce then, but neither will the other flyball people! because if the parents have not made a name for themselves in the flyball world, the flyball people wont even look. the Good BorderJack breeder will NOT sell to pet homes period. they go to flyball/agility homes and thats it. if you see them in the shelter, or a petstore, they are NOT from proven lines. to me a responsable breeder is one who does not mass produce, one who has proven stock(essentaily dogs who can do what they were bred to do, and do it well that goes for both mixes and purbreds), one who stands behind their dogs and keeps in touch, one who health tests and produces healthy, well structured dogs(by ability standerds not by show standerds) I think I covered everything...lol

and nobody bother flaming me because I have heard you all before, and just as you think your guys words are falling on deaf ears, so are mine.

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I didn't know people were allowed to breed mixed breeds on purpose:eek: I guess you learn something new everyday:p I would LOVE to have another Toller/border collie but I wouldn't breed them. I think they make an excellent breed for a couple reasons:
1)they are great retrievers
2)they are soooo smart
3)they are very eager to please
4)they are very good at herding
I think too many people breed all the mentioned breeds, they are more popular than Labradors and Goldens in my City!