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jonza
06-19-2004, 10:35 AM
CNN doesn't seem very interested in cats, but they often have interesting stories about dogs. This article, on the other hand, is from National Geographic. It's pretty long, but I can imagine that there are some Pet Talkers out there who will have an opinion on such matters!

We've had our problems with dogs barking and fighting in our neighborhood, and it was very easy to see the reason. Unfortunately there are some dog owners who don't even deserve to be treated like animals! :mad:


Maryann Mott for National Geographic News June 17, 2004

Imagine being told you have ten days to get rid of your dog.
That's what pet owners in Caraway, Arkansas, were recently ordered to do after the city council passed an ordinance in May that bans pit bulls, Dobermans and Rottweilers from being kept in the city.

Caraway now joins about 200 cities and towns throughout the United States that restrict or prohibit ownership of certain breeds of dogs, according to the American Canine Foundation in Belfair, Washington, an organization dedicated to fighting against such legislation. Large, powerful dogs are frequently targeted, including Akitas, chow chows, Dalmatians, Dobermans, German Shepherds, Great Danes, pit bulls, Rottweilers as well as mixes of these breeds.

Cities like Miami (Florida), Pawtucket (Rhode Island), and Cincinnati (Ohio) ban breeds they deem dangerous or vicious. Other communities place restrictions on owners, such as requiring that they carry liability insurance or muzzle their pets in public.

The laws are often passed after a fatal dog attack in a community and city officials want to protect the public from future incidents. But animal organizations say breed bans don't keep residents safe because they fail to target the real problem: irresponsible pet owners.

"If a specific breed is banned, irresponsible owners intent on using their dogs for malicious or illegal purposes will go underground with their dogs, or switch to another breed and continue to jeopardize public safety," said Gina DiNardo Lash, director of club communications for the American Kennel Club (AKC), an organization that supports breeding and exhibiting of pure bred dogs. The AKC, headquartered in New York City, recognizes 152 different breeds; worldwide there are about 400.

Legal Loophole

Stephen Zawistowski, senior vice president and science advisor for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) in New York City, said the difficulty with breed-specific legislation is that it doesn't address the root problem: dogs are bred and created by people. "If you want to make pit bulls and Rottweilers illegal today, give somebody a couple of generations and they'll make German Shepherds into the dog of danger," he said.

Zawistowski, a certified applied animal behaviorist, says if given the choice of six breeds, he could create a dog in ten years that would make drug dealers "pee in their pants." But he adds it's more than just genetics that determine how a dog behaves. Training and environment also play a part.

"A pit bull that has been properly socialized and trained—and kept in a home, walked on a leash, and kept in a yard with a fence—isn't necessarily dangerous," Zawistowski explained. On the other hand "a pit bull kept by somebody who facilitates its fighting behavior and its aggressive behavior; fails to control the dog and fails to keep the dog in the yard—that's a dangerous combination," he said.

In 1989 Denver banned ownership of American pit bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers, and Staffordshire bull terriers—three breeds commonly referred to as pit bulls. Mixes of those dogs are also outlawed. The ban was put into place as a public safety measure, said City Councilwoman Rosemary Rodriguez, after two separate incidents involving pit bulls where a minister was severely mauled, and a young boy killed. But in April, a state law passed that stopped Denver from enforcing the ordinance.

The city fought back, filing a lawsuit against the state claiming the new law infringes on its power as a home-rule city. A decision on the case could be made as early as July, according to the city attorney's office.

"Once that [lawsuit] is resolved we are going to fully discuss whether or not the current law is what we want to maintain, or if we should look toward revising our breed-ban law," Rodriguez said. None of the city council members who passed the ban more than a decade ago still serves.

Rodriguez said she needed to be better informed before making a decision on whether or not the ban should be kept or revised. However, she said, the ban has worked. "Nobody has been killed by a pit bull since [the ordinance took effect] in Denver," she said. Still, it hasn't stopped residents from owning the dogs. City officials estimate 4,500 pit bulls are being kept illegally.

Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation, plans on going to Denver in the next few weeks with six of the organization's animal behavioral experts. The foundation has filed a lawsuit against Denver claiming that the city violated the constitutional rights of pit bull owners.

Bui said breed-specific legislation doesn't protect the public or stop illegal activity involving dogs and it wastes thousands of dollars of taxpayer money, which could be better spent on enforcement of animal control laws. Currently 14 states prohibit breed-specific legislation, he said, while several cities, like Pontiac (Michigan), and Algona, (Washington), have recently repelled their bans.

To protect the public from dangerous dogs, Bui believes that legislation should include strong criminal penalties for irresponsible owners who allow their pets to behave aggressively to the point of causing injury. Instead, he feels that some communities are unjustly singling out certain breeds, like pit bulls, because of false claims that they're genetically dangerous.

"Dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years and within all breeds there can be dangerous dogs because of owner issues, such as training the dog to attack, or lack of training and socialization," said Bui, who is a geneticist. "It is man who is responsible for the dog's behavior, not the breed of dog."

Not everyone agrees. Tom Skeldon, dog warden of Lucas County in Ohio, said genetics play a big role in how a dog acts.

"Why do golden retrievers retrieve? Why do Border collies herd? Why do pit bulls grab things, hang on, and not let go?" he asked. "That's all a product of genetics. Can it be enhanced with some training? Absolutely. But the genetics have to be there to do that." In 1987 Ohio passed a state law that automatically deems all pit bulls as vicious.

The law does not ban the breed. Instead it requires they be kept properly confined, such as behind a locked fence or inside a house. When in public, pit bulls and their mixes must be kept on a six-foot (two-meter) leash and handled by someone of suitable age, showing proper discretion. Owners must also carry U.S. $100,000 liability insurance. Skeldon says the law is controversial because it works.

"Ohio's vicious and dangerous dog law is good," he said. "It allows dog wardens, animal control officers, or police officers to not be impotent when it comes to removing obvious public safety threats, in the form of dogs, from neighborhoods." In 1993 Skeldon said his agency picked up 50 pit bulls. Last year that number rose to 690.

The increase is mainly due to the narcotics trade, he said. When Skeldon goes on police raids, he said they frequently encounter pit bulls used by drug dealers for protection, or dog fighting. Breeding pit bulls is also profitable. He said puppies sell for U.S. $250 to $500 each and backyard breeders are not removing dogs from their stock that show human aggression.

In addition to the Ohio state law, the city of Toledo has two local government ordinances regarding pit bulls: ownership is limited to only one dog—and it must be muzzled when off the owner's property.

The city and state law are currently being challenged as unconstitutional in Toledo Municipal Court. A decision is expected within the next few weeks


Unfair to Single Out Pit Bulls, Rottweilers?

Do pit bulls and Rottweilers deserve to be deemed as dangerous or vicious? Between 1979 and 1998, at least 25 breeds have been responsible for 238 human deaths—an average of 12 deaths per year, according to a study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association.

The 2000 study found that pit bulls and Rottweilers accounted for more than half of the deaths. But other breeds were also responsible for killing people, the study found - including dachshunds, a Yorkshire terrier, and a Labrador retriever. According to the National Canine Research Foundation (NCRF), which researches fatal dog attacks, pit bulls and Rottweilers accounted for 38 percent of deaths from 1979 to 1998.

No matter which study you believe, the numbers add support to the view that fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem.

But animal experts say the numbers are misleading and people need to look beyond the statistics. They believe a combination of past and present events involving both dog and owner is what ultimately leads to an attack, such as: genetics, socialization, training, environmental stresses, temperament, reproductive status, quality of ownership and supervision.

Karen Delise, a veterinary technician and researcher for the NCRF, writes: "Knowing how many pit bulls or Rottweilers caused a human fatality has little applicable value. Only when we examine each case individually can we hope to gain insight into the human and canine behaviors that contributed to these tragic events."

lbaker
06-19-2004, 10:54 AM
The ban will only work if it includes muzzling and "putting down" the irresponsible owners :mad: :mad: Could there be a sweeter dog then our very own Angus? Banning any MIX of these breeds? Get real. Mixed breeds are generally healthier and who's to say what's really in the mix?? There should be a ban on puppy mills and some back yard breeders :mad: :mad: :(

Kfamr
06-19-2004, 11:59 AM
If they can single out specific breeds, why can't they single out these irresponsible owners as well? Are "they" that idiotic?
Can they not see that these dogs are owned by irresponsible -- thugs, trailer trash, and people with no minds? Can they not see that these dogs are not being treated properly?

They can kill a dog who's bitten someone, but they take years and years to kill, if even, a human being, if you'd like to call them that, who's done far worse than puncturing someone's skin. Personally, I see something rather screwed up with that.



I wish this world wasn't so close minded when it comes to some subjects.

Like the artical said.... Ban Pit Bulls, pretty soon you're going to see people with attack Labradors. OH NO.. what are we going to do then?!

Eventually there's only going to be Chihuahuas and Shih Tzus. :rolleyes: And from my experience, i've seen more aggressive dogs of those breeds than I have Pit Bulls. :rolleyes:

dukedogsmom
06-19-2004, 12:14 PM
If that's the two breeds that will be left, count me out. I just don't see how they have a right to decide that based on a few bad dogs. Things like this really make me so angry that I can hardly see straight. We should have the right to have what kind of dog we want. Our freedom is slowly being stripped away a bit at a time. We need to start standing up to these idiots on different issues before it's too late.

heinz57_79
06-19-2004, 12:28 PM
Grrrr.... :mad: Just grrrr....

I agree with everything that's been said so far. This is getting more and more ridiculous! Isn't there something, as an animal-loving community, that we can do? Something that will start to make people aware that, really, there are no bad dogs - only bad people who make good dogs bad. In the few years I was a groomer, I think I was attacked and bitten by more yorkies, terriers and cocker spaniels than pits, rotties or dobies. And a Great Dane?!? The Gentle Giants of the dog world!? That's just insane! All of this just stems from ignorance and fear. All it takes is one person to implant the idea that all working breeds are dangerous, and suddenly breeds are being discriminated against.

What I find interesting is the facts around any attacks are never looked at. Did the child provoke the dog? Did the minister panic because he saw a rotti and kick it? Dogs are defensive animals, just like we are. They have the same instinct to preserve their own lives, just like we do. If I hit you, you'd hit me back. If you kick a dog, I'd expect it to attack back.

Rotties are working dogs. They were bred to be protective. They were not bred to be mean. It's all due to bad breeding, inbreeding and the *bleep bleep* who throw them in the back yard to their own devices that are to blame. I would hate to think that because I have Arthur and, soon, the little girl, that I could be told I wasn't allowed to live in a certain town. Isn't that an infringement on my rights? Never mind that Arthur is growing up with little dogs, and kittens and is the sweetest dog. Yes, he's protective, but a miserable failure as a guard dog. He'd rather lick you than protect the house... the weenie! :)

Ugh.. sorry.. I rambled... But this topic always gets to me....