Mr. Magoo Update...

[catcrazylady]

My my what a difference a few hours can make! In the last thread most of you were pulling out the tissues and we all went to bed with the happiest thoughts about Mr. Magoo. This mornig I'm in tears from the most visious and ferocious cat bite that I have ever received!!! Yes, it was from that sweet adorable Paddington Bear face!!!http://petoftheday.com/talk/images/our_smilies/mad.gif I now need all of your support and help in figuring out what went wrong.
Last night hubby let Paddy out right in front of his cage and he brushed him. Paddy wanted to walk around and since all the kitties were occupied in the front windows we decided to let him move around some. He walked into the bathroom and checked things out. He never hit or ran into anything! It was amazing!! While he was in the bathroom Leroy sauntered in and went in the bathroom with Mr. Magoo. They sniffed and walked around together. When he came out of the bathroom hubby layed on the floor of the tv room to block Paddy from going to far just yet. When Paddy realized that hubby was blocking his way he wasn't to happy about it. Hubby started petting him and Paddy nipped gently at him but we have learned that he does that when he wants to be left alone. So hubby quit petting him and Paddy layed down on the floor. Leroy was still hanging around and there were no problems. Finally hubby put him back in his cage and Paddy wanted OUT! He cried and pulled at the bars which I have never seen him do before. He finally settled down and went to sleep. We went to bed thinking this was going to be pretty smooth.
Here is how the morning went...Leroy did the I want breakfast dance on my head at 5:00 am. He actually let me sleep in an extra 30 minutes!! I got up served breakfast to the crew and fixed Paddy a plate as well. I took it to his cage, loved on him, and then gave him breakfast. He ate it all gone and seemed very happy. A few minutes later I went and removed his plate and loved and talked to him some more. Leroy came in and he and Paddy were sniffing each other through the cage. I was sitting on the floor with the cage door open so I let Leroy stand beside me so he and Paddy could sniff each other without the bars. Before I realized what was up Leroy slid past me and casually walked into Paddy's cage. (just like last night). Well Paddy went into that head down pose and started hissing and Leroy shot him a look and I thought OMG they are going to fight in this cage and I'm not going to be able to do anything about it!!! I reached in and touched Paddy and he jumped and I realized he didn't know it was me. I talked to him and put my hand in front of his face so he could smell me. Then I gently pulled him out of the cage and sat him on my lap. I talked to him and made sure he was calm so I could reach in the cage and get DUFUS out. Paddy seemed just like any other time I held him. I had my forearm in front of his chest with my hand rubbing the side of his neck. All seemed calm but Paddy wanted to walk around. I was blocking him with my arm in front of his chest but it still seemed ok. Before I knew what hit me Paddy snarled, growled and latched down so hard on my wrist that I thought I was in the jaws of a pit bull! Now folks I have been bitten and scratched pretty severely over the years but NEVER EVER have I felt a cat that had such jaw power!!! It felt like he was crushing the bone in my wrist!! He was shaking his head back and forth with my wrist in his mouth! He was like some wild beast! When I finally got my arm free he casually walked into the utility room like he lived here forever and went straight to the back door and sniffed around. I was laying on the TV room floor crying in the worst pain I have ever felt!! I don't think I have cried in pain since I was a kid. I have kicked, screamed and hollered but not cried! This hurt so bad! I knew my bone was crushed! I got my senses together enough to pull Leroy out of the cage and went after the Paddy physco. I approached him gently and let him sniff me then I picked him up and carried him to his cage. He went in and stretched out like nothing had ever happened.
I cleaned the wounds and wrapped a cold towel around my wrist. It is now five hours later and I'm in an ace bandage because I can't move my wrist or thumb without severe pain. It is my right arm to make matters worse! The actual teeth marks aren't too bad. Thank God his teeth aren't too sharp! He really barely broke the skin but he certainly caused some type of damage on the inside!! After Advil and the ace bandage I'm finally able to barely type.
Now I'm questioning what went wrong. What did I do? The only thing I know about his past is that he was found outside and he wasn't nuetered. Could he have been a feral for some time and relied on people at the shelter only because he was blind. All the windows are open here so did he get the call of the wild? Is he going to do this again? How will I know because I didn't have a clue it was coming this time. Is he crazy? Is he going to do this to one of the other cats? I know it hasn't even been 24 hours yet and I haven't given up but if I had been able to drive at 5:00 this morning I would have dropped him on the shelter porch!
Now I'm in pain and scared of what will be next. I have taken off the kid gloves and I will not be so extremely gentle with him again.
Help! I don't know what to do. Any and all advice welcome because instead of typing this I really should be at the hospital getting my arm checked. It really hurts!

[catlady1945]

Think of it from his point of view. He can't see, he has many new cats around, he has sensory overload. I would just leave him alone for a while. He has hardly had any time at all to adjust. You should probably see a doctor about your injury, though, and here's a tip from someone who has been there. Wear long sleeves and gardening gloves if you pick him up.

[slick]

CCL: that sounds soooo painful and I sure hope you see a doctor about it. I've never had any experience with a blind kitty so I'm afraid I can't be much help to you except offer my support. Catlady could be right and he might need just a little longer to adjust.

[sirrahbed]

Oh LISA!! I am SO sorry:( This guy sounds like he resents any sort of confinement to his movement. (being put in the cage when he does not want to be, being blocked by your hubby and then feeling hemmed in when you went to reach for Leroy with your arm around him) It is scary though isn't it!!! I have no suggestions because I have never had much to do wild vicious behavior - and maybe that is not what this is - but sure sounds a little psycho to be calm one minute and then WHAM. But then again - it was his very first night...I dunno...

I would sure watch that wrist - so many tendons and nerves in that area. Watch for tingling or numbness in your fingers and fingertips, especially, or any trouble in fine motor movements. I would take something antinflammatory like Ibuprofin if you have it - (Motrin, Aleve, something like that) The ice is the best thing for now as well. Tonight you could switch over to heat if there is no swelling and if the heat feels good to you. If anything feels weird or changes - I really would head for the ER. I would probably say go anyway - but you know what is best for you. This is just my best advice from nurse Debbie.

As for Scrappy - I am just sad and sorry about this but try not to lose heart yet! We knew there were going to be problems!!! Last night was just a nice intro. If he turns on one of your cats - they are not defenseless - although I sure hope it does not come to that. I know you will watch things like a hawk. Maybe keep the water bottle handy and some blankets, a broomstick, etc, just in case. I know the rescue people here will have good suggestions for the worst case scenarios to be ready for. It may be an isolated incident as well. I dunno.

(((((((((CCL))))))))) Your heart is so big and I am just so sorry this happened to you today!!!! Please keep us informed and I will keep the prayers going I promise!!:(

Now I will try to think a little more positive....hard to do though!:)

[trayi52]

Lisa, I know how that hurts, I have been bitten by cats. It hurts like nothing you have ever experienced. I have been bit by a little of everything, but seems like a cat bite is the worst.

I am so sorry you had to get hurt. I can't offer any advice except maybe give him some time. You might get some good advice from rkidsrcats, they have experience with blind cats. They could probably tell you just what to do.

Again I am sorry that you got bitten so badly. :(

Willie

[sirrahbed]

Lisa, I feel worried about your wrist. How is it doing? I hate to be so nosy and bossy but right now, the ace bandage is not a good idea. It can mask the injury. There are two long bones that go from your elbow to your hand and at the wrist, there are actually lots of tiny bones that can be crushed and damaged. I wish I could see your wrist!! Can you rotate it?? Like the doorknob turning motion? Can you move it up and down like waving? Do these things cause excruciating pain still?? Do you feel anthing at all like a crunchy feeling (no kidding) or even a sound if you move it next to your ear. Broken bones can even be felt with the other hand - very gently - by this time I would expect some pretty bad swelling and some bruising. This is ridiculous of me....I may be a nurse but I can't help if I am not there and I am no doctor!!!! Just some guidelines --- I would go to the ER - would you do that???
My advice ...Get the wrist checked!! :confused:

[PayItForward]

CCL, {{{hugs}}} to you and I really hope you go to the doctors and get your arm looked at.

As for Mr Magoo, where is his cage situated ?

If possible I would place his cage in a spare room and give him time to settle on his own. Don't let your cats in for a few days at least. I would *guess* that all the new smells were just too much for him to deal with. Try a very slow introduction
http://www.piftails.com/main/articles/general/introducingnewcat.html

Why don't you ring a cat behaviourist, they should give 5 minutes free opinion over the phone. Maybe they can give more specific advice about blind cats.

I'm so sorry you are having problems :(

[catcrazylady]

Ok Nurse Debbie let me tell you what is going on with my arm. He barely broke the skin so there are no deep puncture wounds. His teeth are obviously dull and I'm grateful! The bite was at the top of my wrist right below the thumb area. Surprisingly enough there is very little swelling. The pain in the beginning was from my elbow all the way down into my fingers. After the Advil it mostly hurts right in the immediate area of the bite on the underside of my wrist. He bit right over a vein but it doesn't look like he busted it. The majority of the pain now is if I try to use my thumb too much. I can twist my wrist around but it hurts when I do. I will take the ace bandage off if you think that is a bad idea. It just felt better to have a little pressure in the area. If I try to bend my hand forward it feels like it needs to pop and hurts.
The reason I don't want to go to the hospital is this. Two years ago when Sammy flipped out and tore up hubby he had to go to the hospital for stitches. They were required by law to turn it into the health department. They showed up on our doorstep and fortunately we were at work. They left a note for us to contact them. I called a few days later and they asked if Sammy had all his shots. I told them yes (lie) and they left it at that. Sammy has always been indoor only and we didn't keep him updated. If we had been home and they would have asked for proof I couldn't have given it to them. What would they have done? Taken Sammy for quarintine? I don't know but that scared me and that's why I haven't gone now. I can prove Mr. Magoo's records from the shelter but if they come here and see the others I will be in trouble! I can't prove the indoor only kitties and I don't want them hanging around and causing a problem. The only other thing I could do is tell the ER that hubby bit me because I will have to explain the puncture marks.
I removed the ace bandage and I'm still typing but I feel like my wrist needs to pop so bad! I just want twist and pop it!
Now that we have turned this into a medical forum, I want to thank you so much for your concern. I will take your advice to heart because I don't want any damage to my arm. The pain isn't horrible as long as I don't bend my hand forward or use my thumb too much.

BTW-Mr. Magoo is sleeping peacefully in his cage!http://petoftheday.com/talk/images/our_smilies/biggrin.gif

[Cataholic]

CCL,
I am so sorry about your wrist. I know how painful a cat bite is, and really, how dangerous it can be. I would make sure you are keeping it iced and elevated, until you see how severe it is going to be. I, too, would hesitate to go to the ER.

As to Mr. Magoo, I say this gently, but....it isn't his fault. :( Too much, too soon. It has been a really traumatic ride for him. You are to be hugged so hard for your efforts, but, what Mr. Magoo really 'needs' is to be left alone, to acclimate.

I would leave him be, and interact with him enough for daily contact, but, do not involve the other guys. Let him get used to you and your husband and his environment. My guess would be that last night he was too shocked to do much of anything, but now that he has a slight lay of the land...well, his defenses are coming out.

Please do not lose hope over this incident. Look at this as a learning experience.

I am so sorry about your wrist, and I imagine, Mr. Magoo is not happy that he had to lash out like that.
Johanna

[jazzcat]

Lisa - I am so sorry this happened. I don't really have advice about what to do but I can tell you I can relate. I've not talked about this much on the board but Ripley has attacked me violently many times before. One vet said it sounds like he has Feline Rage where he has these fits of rage and takes them out usually on one person - me. He has left me crying in pain and absolutely terrified of him. The only way I can get him off me when he attacks is with water, a pillow or blanket (or my husband). It's been almost two years since his last attack on me and reading your post it brought back all the memories and I felt the fear all over again.

I was so afraid that Ripley would attack another cat that I almost didn't adopt Jazz and in fact that is why it took me 10 years to get another cat. Luckily with old age Ripley isn't as violent. BTW, he has never hurt Jazz or Scout but when he gets frustrated with them he still comes to me to attack. I've learned to get away from him but unlike you I do know the warning signs.

I suggest you keep a water bottle handy and try that if Magoo gets riled up. I think PIF had a great suggestion of putting his cage in a room where he can be alone and only smell the other cats through the door for a while.

As far as wanting to take him back to the shelter at 5 this morning, I totally understand. I went so far as finding Ripley another home years ago, but then I backed out and kept him. I love him but I am afraid of him and I have many bad scars to show why.

I'm not saying Magoo has Feline Rage I just want you to know I can understand how you feel.

Please take care of your arm.

[QueenScoopalot]

I'm so sorry to hear Mr. Magoo turned into a savage beast on you! I'd go to the store and get some Epsom Salts and hot soak your hand several times a day to draw out any toxins. And you may want to look into getting Magoo some "Rescue Remedy" http://www.nelsonbach.com/rescueremedy/ Which may calm him down. I have used it with great results on a Himalayan girl I have here. Mewsette is one very cranky cat, and putting R.R into her wet food seemed to work wonders. It is for people who are stressed out and wanting to choke someone! R.R is available at health food stores, and it doesn't take much to work. Mewsette gets it when she starts turning testy with me. She has tried to bite me, and scratch several times, but my reflexes are fast from years of feral kitten taming! ;) How long ago was Magoo neutered? Could be he still has a lot of hormones in his system and the combination of smelling the outdoors, and being in a new environment set him off. I'd probably move him into a separate room and let him start making the first moves rather than you. And leave the windows shut for a while so he doesn't feel that wanderlust, smelling the air! Classical music soothes the savage beast too! :) Hang in there...we're all rooting for Magoo! :)

[BastetsMum]

If it still hurts tommorow I would most definately get your wrist checked.

Here, in Australia, that kind of bite would be an immediate hospital job. We have a nasty cat borne disease called cat scratch fever that humans can get from bites and scratches - mostly from stray or feral cats.

I am sorry that Mr Magoo did that but it must be pretty scary for him being blind and only knowing a small space well. I am sure he will get better.

[catcrazylady]

So much wonderful advice! I think that Jazzcat may have hit on something. The Feline Rage seems to fit and I believe his rage is from being caged! The more I think aobut it I really believe he bit me because my arm was blocking his path to freedom. He just wants to be one of the other kitties and walk around the house. It is just too soon for this because of my current kitties! They have to adjust to him as well.
I will never block him from the front again! I will try to control him from the back so I'm not the prime target with the teeth. I feel sorry for him because he just wants to be free of the bars and I can understand that. Maybe something to help calm him would be a good idea. He wants me to move him into the fold to quickly. I will check into the rescue remedy. I might take some!!
As for the nuetering that just happened a few weeks ago. He has been a tom for a long time. That I'm sure is part of it.
It's actually very sad that all he wants is to be free to walk and roam around.
Jazzcat-I'm so sorry you went through that with Ripley. I commend you for hanging in there! I too used to feel the same fear of Sammy. He was very violent towards me! He would follow me and sit behind me and I never knew when he would attack. I used to have to call hubby to come get him so he wouldn't hurt me. I have tons of scars too and I have experienced lots of pain over the years. Nothing in comparison to what Mr. Magoo did!! Age also improved things for Sammy and me.
I'm not giving up on Mr. Magoo. I'm just confused, hurt (literally)and trying to figure out which way to go.
Thank you all so much and keep the advice coming.

[rg_girlca]

Oh gosh I am so sorry this happened to you, but I would definitely take PIF's advice. He needs time to adjust to all the new things he is experiencing now. Give him a chance and I'm sure in due time, things will improve.
Please see a doctor about your wrist if it isn't any better.
(((((HUGS)))))

[lisalee]

I'm sorry to hear of your attack by Mr. Magoo. I do agree that he is probably very confused right now about everything and does want to be out of his cage. I would also suggest rescue remedy, it truly is wonderful stuff. Have you tried Feliway? That's also suppossed to be wonderful for stressful situations and introducing new cats and new enviornments. Best of luck to you all!

Lisa & Sash

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

I am so sorry you have had to go through this!

I agree that maybe Mr Magoo is suffering from a sensory overload, and he needs to take things slowly. BUT what I will say is NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS you need to establish your position as dominant leader in the heirarchy. (Case in point - Ally would never bite my husband, but has badly hurt me on several occasions).

Jazzcat's honesty has prompted me to share my experiences with Ally.

I have gone through hell over the past 5 months, with Connor and Ally's introduction. I haven't really posted about it, as I have felt depressed and defeated by the whole thing. Things do now seem to be improving, although this evening was another "rough" night.

Ally has on 3 occasions SAVAGED me - I do not use the term lightly. I have given birth 3 times, and the pain ranks RIGHT UP THERE!!! On the last (worst) occasion I completely lost the use of my right arm for 3 days - I could not write, type or drive. I was black and blue from my palm to above my wrist, and needed hospital teatment. I found it profoundly upsetting on 2 levels (1) that Ally could be capable of hurting me so badly, and destroying my trust, and (2) the physical pain, and worry that she would hurt one of my kids. I have scars which will take years to fade.

Her anger (no doubt resulting from a deep resentment towards me for bringing Connor into the house), seems to be exclusively directed at me, and she has never shown any inclination to attack anyone else.

It has changed my relationship with her - I cannot let her sleep with me (even for a nap during the day), and never turn my back on her.

For what it;s worth I fully understand your feelings right now - the pain, hurt and bewilderment.

All I can say is that I hope the situation improves. (((HUGS))) to you - if you need to chat or vent please post or PM me.

Julie

[nibblets]

I have no experience in this type of situation. Julie has gotten a little carried away and left some pretty good gouges and scratches, until she learned to keep her teeth and claws to herself...but she also is the only cat. Our dog is older and doesn't bother her so she has free run of the house.
I'm wondering...as PIF suggested...if you have a room in your house that you could set Magoo up in so he could be out of the cage but still segregated until he gets acclimated? Since he was stray he wasn't used to the caging...but with his surgeries and such he has been in 'recovery mode'. Perhaps now he is feeling more himself and wanting to get out and about.
Good Luck and don't get discouraged...time will help I'm sure.

[lat192004]

Wow. I read your experience, If I may tell my story, you will see you are not alone in this incident. I have been around cats when they have been very excited, then caged. The memory of the experience will linger, brain chemicals need a while to stabilize. Take the cat out of the cage too fast, and while holding her she might get some wild notion to clamp down on you. My long dead tomcat I had several years ago left the house by mistake, I left the door open. He went exploring and ran into the neighbors dog. He kicked butt, then came running full steam to the house, where I caught him. I picked him up to hug him, he licked me, then all of a sudden he let out a scream and bit all the way to the bone on my shoulder! I threw him to the floor, where he hissed and bit my leg, then ran and hid in the closet for a day. When he came out, he was his old self again. All I can say is I'm glad he is not the size of the dog that he beat up or I might have been on his menu.Sound like PIF is right, let the cat chill someplace....get a tetnus shot and your arm looked at, sounds like you got a dozy bite there!...........P

[nibblets]

These beautiful creatures can be real Bad A@#es when they take a notion can't they?
God loaded them up with some effective defense mechanisms.

[PayItForward]

I found a good link...http://www.moggies.co.uk/html/aggcat.html

Cats are territorial and, at times, surprisingly emotional creatures. Although sometimes disturbing for us to see, it is normal for environmental or social changes to trigger extremes in our cats' behaviour. Extreme fear may provoke an explosion of hissing - a defensive behaviour, spitting, swatting and escape.

Firstly, if you have an aggressive cat, have your Veterinarian take blood and urine samples to rule out a disease such as thyroid levels.

Territorially defensive cats may stalk, yowl (also known as "caterwauling") and pounce on perceived intruders. Both fear and territorial defense may lead to visible aggression, including bites. What might cause such frightening behaviour? Most often, it is the sight, smell or sounds of unfamiliar cats outdoors.

In many cases, the source of aggression is never identified. Regardless, an extreme behavioural reaction is then bounced or "redirected" to the nearest available target: another cat in the home, or even a member of the cat's human family. Such redirected aggression is typically severe and explosive. In fact, owners frequently recount stories in which they were cornered in the bathroom for hours, waiting for their furious (and confused) cat to calm down.

Unfortunately, if not treated, such behaviour may continue for days or even weeks. Severe redirected aggression can be a dangerous problem. The cat should be examined by a Veterinarian Surgeon to rule out general medical conditions that may contribute to such behaviour.

The next steps may include temporary drug therapy to reduce the edginess contributing to the aggression. It is also helpful to separate the cat from its "victim," whether human or feline, for several days or a week. Cats that have attacked their owners benefit from temporary confinement in a dark, isolated place, such as a bathroom. Water and a litter box should be provided, but food should be offered only periodically, along with light, by the owner. Because redirected aggression can continue to be severe, this should not be attempted unless first discussed with a Veterinarian Surgeon or Behavioural Specialist. In time, many cats regain their self-control and the problem is resolved. However, caution is advised because redirected aggression may resurface the next time your cat is exposed to the same situation.

[Kirsten]

OMG, I'm so sorry top hear about these things!! (((HUGS)))

I agree with those who said he probably bit you because he wanted to walk around and you (your arm) didn't let him. Please don't give up on him. I wish I'd have a better advice for you, but I don't have much experiences with agressive cats (only with "Dino the Meano", my mom's fiancé's cat who has also bitten me btw).

I'm worried about your wrist though... Maybe he hit a nerve or a ligament. I can understand why you don't want to go to the hospital, but can't you tell them you've been bitten by a feral? Maybe that way they won't check your house?

However, I'm wishing you with all my heart that this was a nonrecurring incident.

Kirsten

[catcrazylady]

Oh I just want cry right now! I feel like this is all my fault! I can tell that many of you fully understand. Julie I know you have been through hell with the Ally Connor situation but I had no idea that it had gotten that bad. I'm so sorry.
I don't want to take him back to the shelter but there is a part of me that wants to stop right now. If he had clamped down on one of the cats legs like he did my arm then I'm sure it would have broken it. Do I want to run this risk? I know if he goes back to the shelter they won't kill him but I'm certain that he will go totally nuts and probably die on his own.
I'm going to check into getting him medicine to calm him because I think he has cage rage because the bite came from me restraining him.
I'm not giving up yet but I am so befuddled and just want to do it right.

btw-When the Advil wears off the pain is pretty bad but tolerable after I take it. I'm waiting for my brother to come advise me. He used to be an EMT. If he thinks the hospital can't do much for me then I'm not going and will follow our PT nurses (Debbie) advice.

[sirrahbed]

another thought....would the shelter's insurance cover you???....at no cost to them I mean??

[sirrahved]

He probably just did it out of fear. He didn't know what was going on, and he was being challenged to a fight! He didn't mean to harm you, I'm sure.

I hope you won't have ongoing problems because he is in a multi-kitty household:(

[catnapper]

OH CCL! What a bad day you've been having! I don't have any suggesttions to offer... only sympathy.

Scrappy seems to be aptly named - he's a feisty little devil! And from what you've said, apparently scared and over-stimualted. He also probably knows that he doesn't have to be constantly caged anymore... he knows he's home and doesn't want to spend another second in a cage. He had lived in a cage for the past few months, so now that he's home he doesn't understand why he has to be in one. I'm sure he knows there are fellow cats running freely, and is wondering why he's got to continue being in a cage. It can only get better, right? :)

[moosmom]

CCL,

If the bite has a red rash around it, you'll need to get medical attention. I got bit by a cat a year ago when I went to Kimmy's (Ramanth) house. I was trying to grab a pregnant stray and she turned around and clamped (and I DO mean CLAMPED!!) down on my right pinky finger and tore it open. There is no other pain like it except for childbirth!! I also cleaned it out with Hydrogen Peroxide and put Neosporin on it. Within 24 hours, there was a red rash running from my pinky finger to just past my wrist. I went straight to the emergency room. The doctor there told me if I had waited another 12 hours, I would've been admitted to the hospital and given intervenous antibiotics. He told me I should've had stitches, but because I didn't get medical attention right away, ti was too late. He also told me that cat bites are one of the WORST bites a person can get.

I'm SURE Paddy didn't mean it. It's new surroundings to him and not being able to see I'm SURE has everything to do with it.

Please keep us posted on your progress. You and Paddy will be in my thoughts and prayers.

(((hugs)))

Donna

[catlady1945]

He has barely been there a day. Just leave him be, put him alone for a while - he got frightened and lashed out. One incident doesn't mean he has any kind of rage or that he is a psycho.

[lat192004]

Originally posted by nibblets
These beautiful creatures can be real Bad A@#es when they take a notion can't they?
God loaded them up with some effective defense mechanisms.

Yes they are Ninblets, they are the kings of the jungle, just in sub-compact size! I have two of these tigers in my living room, never a dull moment. I treat them as equals, we get along good. Just use caution as you would anyone with a hair trigger temper and attitude, as cats are beautiful, but will not be controlled unless it meets with the cats approval.Since that is a rare happening, just strike a truce and just let the cat have it's own way.I don't know why cats have a hold on me, maybe it's because cats are wild, and I love it. A cat retains it's wildness, yet will live in a house with you. If the house does not meet her approval,it's through the screen door and gone!

Sorry about the biting incident. What out, it will most likely happen again. Feel her out before doing anything, she must have had a rotten day when you got bit.

[catcrazylady]

Thanks again for all the wonderful responses! It makes me feel so much better to have you guys.
I have decided that if my wrist isn't any better by Monday then I will call my doctor. My brother checked it and said there was no artery damage and without an xray it si impossible to tell if it is nerve, muscle. or bone damage. I will take care of myself and I will take moosmoms advice and go immediately if I see any signs of rash or streaking. Brother dear helped me get the ace bandage on and advised lots of Ibuprofen and elevation. I am following advice from all of you!!!
Mr. Magoo is doing well and he was loving to my brother while he was here. I really think he will be ok but I did call the shelter and left a message about getting mild medication for Paddy Bear. I will also try to find the Rescue Remedy. I'll keep you all posted on what the shelter vet recomends.


One incident doesn't mean he has any kind of rage or that he is a psycho.

The physco remark was made in jest and don't be so sure that there isn't rage. If I had his life for the last few months I promise you I would have rage! I only have his very best interest at heart and was venting my concerns on PT. Those who know me also know that Paddy Bear wasn't going back to the shelter. I don't give up that easy. I just needed to unload my fears and concerns to the experts on PT. Nothing that has ever come into my house has ever left unless God called them home. It will take a lot more than a broken wrist for me to give up on this guy.
I will keep everyone posted on any upcoming events. It is so hard to type so I hope everyone will forgive me if I don't reply to your posts but I promise I'm looking and keeping up!!

LOVE YOU GUYS!!! {{{{{HUGS AND MANY THANKS}}}}}

[leslie flenner]

Too much stimulation for a blind cat. He needs to get S-L-O-W-L-Y acclimated to his new environs. As you know. I would advise no contact with other cats except under the door cracks- that will be enough to get him going. He's blind and is super sensitive. Just time and patience and he'll be a family member eventually! And he's adorable!!! he didn't mean to hurt you, he was scared! You are a doll because you seem to be prepared to help him through this awful period! And please, get treatment on your wrist! Ouch!

[rkidsrcats]

Dang CCL!
Nothin' worse than taking a hit when you're trying to do the right thing! I was sorry to read about Paddy's setback and your injury. It is frustrating to be sure. But you have gotten good advice as usual from those who know cats best!
Pippin was just a 5 month old kitten when we adopted him, but we did see times when he got sensory overload and went into a hissing/spitting/slashing mode at whatever was crowding him - be it us, the dog, cats, inanimate objects, whatever! So it is pure defense mechanism for him. And he has matured into one tough little fighter - if he wants that end of the futon, he will persist until whichever feline gives up. I saw an un-neutered 9 yr old Tom-cat once at Little Shelter and he had HUGE jowls. Didn't look like my hand would have survived a bite from the likes of him! They told me that it is very characteristic of older toms to have over-developed jaws/cheeks because of the hormone levels.
You have several issues going on it appears - least of which is the fact that Paddy is blind! Recently neutered and neutered as an adult no less. He's had years to over develop his muscles and his attitude as a tom cat.
As advised, take it slow and introduce him like you would any other cat, just on a slower timetable if possible. Some kind of calming drug might be a good idea since blind cats can get over stimulated and confused a little quicker than the sighted ones.
But then again, I get over-excited when the Mariners win a baseball game these days!
Hang in there and take it one day at a time - don't forget that you are under stress too - adding a newbie to the brat pack is daunting in itself! I still deal with issues between Normy and William and now Pips has decided that he is going to kick William's behind if anything is upsetting Norman. I can't keep track of who loves who around here!
Keep the wrist up and the Advil handy...:D

[krazyaboutkatz]

CCL, I'm so sorry to hear that Mr. Scrappy bit you.:( Like the others have said, he really needs to be left alone so he can get used to his surroundings. I'm sure that everything will work out eventually. Please take care of yourself and keep us updated.

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

CCL, I hope I didn't upset you with my frankness about the Ally/Connor situation. There are days when it seams like everything has worked out OK, and then there are days when I wonder what I was thinking bringing another cat into my house.

Is it possible to keep Mr Magoo in a separate room, so he is less restricted than in a cage, and go through the normal slow introduction - swapping scents, and building up to supervised interaction? There must be a lot for him to get used to - new smells, new space around him, new noise, and unfortunately you were at the receiving end of his confusion / frustration.

Space permitting, I would try to have him in a room, rather than a cage - but I don't know your household, so I am not sure if that is possible.

Connor spend 2 weeks in a separate room before any real interaction took place - I am sure the situation here would have been much worse if I had integrated them sooner.

One other thought - did Mr Magoo have a cage-mate at the shelter or was he isolated? If he did, maybe he is missing his friend, if not, maybe he is not ready to share his cage with your other cats, and lashed out at you in misdirected anger???

[carole]

Oh dear I am so sorry to hear this too ,I too know the power of those jaws, I had no choice but to go to the Doctor, as I had four puncture wounds, Lisa a tetanus shot maybe necessary, as it was in my case, and believe me I know the pain, I think it was one of the worst pain I have ever experienced, and I am no stranger to pain, but yes it's pain in it's worst form.

Cat bites can indeed be serious, so maybe you should seek some medical advice soon.

I feel the others have offered you some expert advice, I am sure Paddy is not an aggressive type cat, it must because the fact he is blind, and confused maybe, I hope so.

My cat Ash is somewhat an aggressive animal, I just have to be very careful and not push my limits, I have learned the hard way several times.

Please take care, I am hoping all will turn out well in the end, and I know you are not about to give up on Paddy, you would not have gone this far with him, if you intended to do that, you are his only hope for a happy life, it is just going to take alot of patience and time, and you seem the perfect lady for the job.!!

Good luck, I wish you well and painfree.:)

[PayItForward]

Lisa,

How is your wrist today ? (I still like the go to hospital and tell them it was a feral cat suggestion that someone suggested)

Have you moved Scrappy into his own room ? How is he today ?

Jenny

[jenluckenbach]

WOW! I know the pain of a serious cat bite. And the fear of it happening again.
With no experiene with a totally blind cat I will not pretend to have advice. But you did not adopt him not knowing his personality, so I agree with the "too much too soon" and "sensory over load" theories.
Your very best thing to do is speak to REAL experts in behavior of cats and especially blind ones.
Best of luck, and hang in their. The end results will be well worth the trouble.

[Randi]

Lisa, I can't add anything to the good advise you have been given here, just want to say I'm so sorry that Mr. Magoo bit you. :(

I think it's a very good idea to keep him in a room by himself if possible, to let him calm down and get used to your home. He's surely scared and confused about the move to new surroundings and being around cats he's never met before. Poor guy, not being able to see what goes on around him. :(

Hang in there and take it slowly, I'm sure in time he'll be happy with the new situation and love you for helping him. :)

I hope your wrist will heal quickly! If you haven't had a tetenus shot in the last 10 years, you should really get one!

Hugs to you and lots of kisses to Mr. Magoo!

[Craftlady]

I've been reading all the great advise given and with no experience can't add any more information. I keep good thoughts and prayers that everything will work out. One thing about medical issue with the new laws of privacy we all have to sign when we go to hospital or doctors office, it might be a mute issue with the hospital being able to contact anyone. Just a thought :)

[catlady1945]

We have a 14 year old cat who is the sweetest, gentleman ever. He is afraid of his own shadow and he loves to sit and cuddle and drool. I have a two inch scar (which I can still see) on my arm from him from when we first got him.

[sasvermont]

Oh my gosh. I surely hope your wrist is better. I would go to the ER for sure.

Advice? Well, I don't have any solid experience with special needs kittys beyond Gabe, the wild child Ragdoll. He did bite me once, hard, on the wrist when I tried to pick him up while he was wandering around outside. I learned to leave him alone when he was in that mood - and it only happened when he was outside, not wanting to come back inside.

If I were you, I would confine him for a little while, give him some amitripline cream in the ear medication, and wait for him to settle down. He sounds as though he has potential and just needs more quaility time, without all the other cats.

Please go to the doctor about your wrist. If it means that some authority needs to be notified, then so be it. You wouldn't want to have horrible problems for a cat bite if you could avoid it, right? If you have all of the certificates and proof of his shots, then there shouldn't be a problem!

Please keep us posted and your health!

Take care of yourself first, deary.

SAS

[catnapper]

CCL... where are you? I hope your wrist is ok. Please give us an update. We're worried about you!:confused:

[catcrazylady]

forgive the no caps but it is just too hard with one hand!

i want to cry when i read all of your posts. the concern for me and mr. magoo is so wonderful! i don't know what i would do without all of you.
julie you are still in a similar situation and i'm paying close attention to your advice. we have a very old home that is basically a square with four rooms on the bottom floor. in our case you have to go through one room to get into another. we could possibly puthim in our bed room but this would create seriously hard times for a few of the cats. if they could not sleep with us or go into one of thier favorite rooms i'm afraid it might cause some serios resentment. especially with lazy sammy who practically lives in bed. he is one that i really don't want to get angry at mr. magoo! we have finished attic but we use it mostly for storage. there are boxes everywhere! talk about sensory overload! plus the upstairs is the safe place for my current crew. company comes and up they go! i have never allowed anyone in that space because i want them to feel secure there. so basically the answer is no to putting him into his own room to run free. i really thought that since he has been caged for so long that by getting a bigger cage and letting everyone get to know each other that way would be the best for all involved. i guess i was wrong. well maybe, i'm not sure about that yet.
i know everyone keeps suggesting quiet but i'm telling you he is not used to that. he is used to noise, ringing phones, lots of voices, cats crying, cages being cleaned, loud radios. the quiet here seemed to really scare him. when turned on the tv and we are up moving around he seems calmer. i also would think sensory overload but he seems happier that way. maybe i'm wrong.
anyway, i had minimal contact with him yesterday. we are leaving him alone and letting him take it all in. the fur crew usually come along off and on and smell him and say hi. he seems ok with that. some progress...pepper is no longer hissing at him. he went and said good morning to mr. magoo and then started playing right in front of his cage. my current guys will adjust rather quickly i think. maggie sue went to him this morning and sniffed, growled, hissed, then just sat there looking at him. i think she was making sure that he understand her queen b status. mr. magoo takes it all in stride. for now anyway!
i spent this morning on the verge of tears. tomorrow is hubby's birthday and my stepdaughter's is today. we always have a big dinner and celebrate them together. i'm getting ready to have a house full in a few hours. for my hubby's birthday i bring home a blind cat that attacks me, screws up my wrist and now i'm virtually helpless. he is having to do all the cleaning and cooking for his own party. he has been so wonderful about mr. magoo. he feels so sorry for him. i was so surprised yesterday because he didn't want me to take mr. magoo back to the shelter yesterday. i think that is funny because i thought hubby would try to make me take him back after he saw my arm! i guess we are both on the same track and just didn't know it! it still really stinks about his birthday and i feel so guilty.
the wrist is no better and more swollen than yesterday. i'm packing on the ice and starting to think the hospital is going to be unavoidable. i also thought about telling them that a stray did it bt hubby pointed out that if i did that then i would probably have to take rabie shots and i don;t wanna do that!!!
thank you all again and please know that i'm absorbing every word you all post. i don't think i can ever tell you how important it is too me.
will keep everyone updated.

[Kirsten]

i know everyone keeps suggesting quiet but i'm telling you he is not used to that. he is used to noise, ringing phones, lots of voices, cats crying, cages being cleaned, loud radios. the quiet here seemed to really scare him. when turned on the tv and we are up moving around he seems calmer. i also would think sensory overload but he seems happier that way. maybe i'm wrong.

Well, this is making some sense to me. He cannot see, so he probably depends on noises to have some orientation in his environment. I figure this is why silence scares him.

Kirsten

[nibblets]

I'm sure if your hubby has a soft spot for Mr. Magoo and he understands the pain you are in, both physically and emotionally from what happened, he isn't thinking twice about cleaning and preparing for his bday party. Sounds like you have a good man there! Big props to Hubby!

It is unfortunate that it happened...but it did...and now all you can do is learn from it and move forward. Take care of your wrist and continue as you have done for the last day, letting Magoo get his sense of where he is and where he fits in. The kitties will place him in his slot in the pecking order on their own and with time he will be one of the gang.

I think we humans tend to get excited about things and don't realize that the way we think and the way our pets think are on very different levels. I have been teaching Julie to walk on her leash with her Walking Jacket.... last night she decided she was Julie, Queen of the Jungle and went up our tree and in about two seconds flat she slithered out of her jacket....of course I was frantic and grabbed her....Jeez her claws were wicked looking as she dug into the bark of the tree. I did manage to pull her down and run inside, but not before she laid her ears down and growled while digging her claws into my tummy. She went from a casual stroll to wild cat in a heartbeat. Once inside she was fine. I wouldn't read more into Magoo's behavior than just being a cat at this point, unless it becomes a recurring problem.

It will be fine...{{{{{{CCL}}}}}}

[Grace]

the wrist is no better and more swollen than yesterday. i'm packing on the ice and starting to think the hospital is going to be unavoidable.


Butting in here - you REALLY need to get that wrist checked out. Even if there is only the tiniest break in the skin, an infection can start. When Reese bit me last year, the MD told me I should have come in immediately, instead of waiting 36 hours. As it was, I had to have IV antibiotics in the ER, and then was on two of them for 10 days. Cats have really dirty mouths.

Please take care of yourself, CCL.

[catnapper]

I'm sorry to hear that your wrist is worse... please make everyone here at PT happy and go to the hospital! :)
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}} to you and Mr. Magoo.

I agree with Kirsten that it makes sense that noise calms him. I'd be freeked out too if I couldn't see and heard nothing to keep me aware of my environment, especially a new environment.

PS: Good luck with the party tonight and BREATHE deeply.

[RedHedd]

I've been reading all of this thread and I'm so sorry Mr. Magoo bit you. From what everyone is saying, and I have no experience with blind cats, it does sound like a sensory overload thing.

Lisa, please DO get thee to the hospital ASAP! The wrist swelling more is NOT a good sign. PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Mr. Magoo needs you around to care for him! An infection can be very serious. I know it will probably muck up you hubby's B'day party plans, but it sounds like that wrist needs looking at by a real MD.

Happy B'Day to hubby too!

[catcrazylady]

i'm on my way to the hospital! massive swelling, lots of reddness and a red streak running up my inner arm. some pus leaking from tiny wound. i know, i'm in truble and i have a nasty infection. i don't know how long all of this will take but i promise a full report as soon as i get home. this really hurts!
start the pt prayers, please!

[jazzcat]

Oh gosh Lisa, you're in my prayers. I'll be waiting for an update!

[sirrahbed]

Originally posted by catcrazylady
i'm on my way to the hospital!
Hallelujah!!!(Dang, but that is one *STUBBORN* woman!! I even called her at home to pester her!!!) Whew!!!

[Lacey]

Yipe! Sending oodles of prayers your way!

[Twink]

Oh no! I just saw this thread. I'll add my (((hugs))) and support.

Thank HEAVENS you're headed to the hospital! Please check back in with us as soon as you can. We'll be worrying! :(

I hope and pray things go more smoothly with Paddy Bear when you get back. I feel bad for him, b/c it must be so hard to adjust to new environments when you don't have all of your senses working for you. But I feel worse for you, both for the pain of the injury, and the discouragement. Hang in there!

[Cataholic]

Look at it this way, it will be a very memorable birthday for your husband! Next year, you WILL smile at this...and peace will reign in your home. Good luck at the BIG white coats. Do not, I repeat, do not, look at the needle. OWIE. :(

[QueenScoopalot]

Cat bites no matter how minor can lead to serious infections! Glad you're taking care of it now before you lose total control of your arm. I got bitten badly years ago from a feral who had escaped into the back room at a shelter I used to help out at. I went in to get her conatined in a cage again, had a sheet over her, but the angle was awful for getting her wrapped up. I suffered a nice deep bite right through the meaty part at the base of my thumb and palm! :( I was out of commission for well over a week, but did get it treated right away. Including a tetanus shot. Blood poisoning from cat bites is not anything to mess with, and the red line going up your arm is indicative of it. So glad you're getting treatment! :) Hang in there. ;)

[Grace]

Next year, you WILL smile at this...and peace will reign in your home.
From Cataholic's lips to God's ears. Many prayers and good thoughts headed your way.

[catnapper]

PT Prayers from me, Allen & Pouncer on the way! I hope everything will be ok.

Once again:
{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}

[PayItForward]

Awaiting a health update with fingers crossed...I hope the hospital visit went as quickly and as well as can be expected. :(

[kimlovescats]

OH My Gosh, Lisa!!! I am so worried about you! Please check in with us as soon as you can!!! :(

[catmandu]

I would have atht wrist checked , and Paddy neutered , if he isnt already. and it is a shock , to him , and he might have panicked from the encounter with Leroy. My Mother took five stitches , one day , when she tried to seperate Missy , from Cl;arence the Neighbors Cat. I am sure that Scrappy Mc Goo didnt mean it , and is very , very SORRY!

[trayi52]

Lisa, please update us as soon as you find out anything! Prayers and good thoughts coming your way from me and my whole gang.

I am so sorry that you are having so much trouble with that bite. I was lucky enough when I got bitten, that it did not turn into a bad infection. I pray that everything will be okay for you.

Willie

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

Hope you have some good news re your wrist! Take care of yourself, and just leave the cats to "chill"for a while. Bless you hubby for being so great about the bite, and helping you around the house, and doing the prep for the party hiself - he sounds like a real GEM! It's my hubby's birthday today too!

Sending you a big (but GENTLE) (((HUG))) and keeping you in my prayers. You have been on my mind all day today, and I wish I could say or do something to help. I will cross-post to some of the disabled cat sites I belong to, and see what I get back.

Julie

[moosmom]

Lisa,

I got up this morning wondering how your wrist was doing. I'm SO glad you've decided to go to the hospital.

When I was bit, it was a stray cat and a prevoked attack, meaning I was the one who prevoked her. They wanted me to have the rabies shots and I said no. The doctor said to keep an eye on the bite area and gave me an antibiotic to take for 2 weeks. I was very lucky.

You and Magoo are in my prayers. Your attack was prevoked as well, by preventing him from going where he wanted to go, being blind and all. I think they'll just tell you to keep him separated for 14 days to see if there's any change in his behavior.

Hang in there sweetie. Believe me, I feel your pain!! I will keep you and Magoo in my thoughts and prayers.

(((hugs))))

Donna

[Kirsten]

Boy, that sounds really bad about your wrist, and I'm glad you're finally going to the hospital!! Please keep us posted, okay?

Due to the time difference, I'll be most likely in bed already when you're back, but you and Mr. Magoo will be in my thoughts...

Good luck and get well soon!!!

Kirsten

[Steffi N]

Lisa, I have been following this thread but haven't posted since I could add nothing to the good advice given. I am worried and I am relieved you are going to the hospital. I hope everything turns out okay.

[catcrazylady]

i'm back and still in one piece! i was scrubbed (huge ouch!) x-rayed, medicated, and given a tetnus shot. They gave me 1000mg's of augmenton, and 1000mg's of ibuprofen. i was made to swear that i will go see my family physician tomorrow and if i get up in the morning and the red streak is any further up my arm then i have to go back to the hospital for iv antibiotics. he said the doctor may want to do that anyway. i'm really hurting after the doc squished, poked, and sqeezed my hand but i will live. i still have to keep it elevated and iced.
now i will have to deal with the health department but we will just take that as it comes.
thanks for all the prayers and good thoughts as i'm sure that is why it went as well as it did. thank you all so much for concern.
mr. magoo is still relaxing in his cage and i'm still giving him only minimal contact. the shelter spoke to the vet and she agreed to give him something to keep him calm through this transition. i think that will be good for him as long as it's mild and temporary. this has to be very frightening for him. i looked at him this morning and my heart melted all over again. with gods help and all the pt support we will muddle through this.
thanks again everyone! i will keep everyone updated.

using one left hand to type is really a pain!

[leslie flenner]

You went to the hospital and now you're being treated! That's very good!! And tomorrow you see your primary care physician! And I don't think you have to worry about the health dept, Mr. Magoo had a rabies vaccine I'm assuming so as long as you have that certificate, all should be fine! And don't type anymore! Elevate and relax! I'm glad you finally went in- that red streak is a bad sign! So relax and thanks for keeping us posted and when you're up to it, let us know what you're md says tomorrow. We'll all be thinking of you as we go through our monday work days!! Mine will chant (well, purr) for Magoo- Shy, Pixie, Dorian, Scamper, Cookie, Moses, Cricket, Dandilion, and Tuva!!

[sirrahbed]

((((((((((((((CCL)))))))))))))

[krazyaboutkatz]

CCL, I'm so glad that you finally went to the hospital and were treated for your bite wound. Prayers and positive thoughts are being sent your way for a quick and full recovery. Please take care.

[trayi52]

Glad you went to the doctor and got some meds. Hopefully that and going to your own doctor will do the trick, and you will start to recover from your bite wound.

I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.:)

Willie

[catnapper]

Glad to know you that all went well at the hospital and I hope everything goes well at the doctors tomorrow... I hope you'll take tomorrow off. For tonight, please rest and take care of yourself!

[moosmom]

CCL,

Glad everything worked out. Augmentin is what they put me on too. It's like $100 for 14 pills! Ouch! Aleve is really good for pain cuz it lasts longer.

The tetanus shot hurt like hell. But it was for the best.

Hang in there, okay. Keep us posted!!

(((hugs))))

[Nomilynn]

I haven't posted yet but I wanted you to know that I was keeping up with theis thread and you have been in my prayers. I hope everything turns out well and that your wrist gets better fast!! :)

[carole]

I am also relieved to hear you have had some treatment, i had the tetanus shot, and the antibiotics, but it took 2 weeks, so don't expect an instant recovery or the pain to settle, just keep taking your pain killers etc and you will get there.

The doctor mentioned something to do with the lymphatic system, I cannot for the life of me remember, but maybe the poison has traveled there and is causing you more pain.

I really empathise with you my dear, and hope the pain eases soon, take real good care of yourself, here is hoping for you to be well again soon.

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

CCL...

Been away for the weekend and just seeing your post. Sorry for the rough start... i hope your arm is feeling better soon. *OUCH* tetanus shot!!.. I had one a couple of months ago and it was no fun... :eek:

Prayers on the way... :)

[kimlovescats]

(((((hugs)))) Lisa .... you watch that arm closely now!!! ;)

[catlover4ever]

CCL, I have to admit that I'm at work and have not had time to read every post, but please know that I am thinking, praying and sending you positive thoughts that your arm will be OK and that everything will work out fine with Mr. Magoo. --- Meg

[catmandu]

The Found Cats and I aregald that You are better , andwe hope that Scrappy Paddington Magoo , can sttle down , and realize that he is in a Great Furr Ever Home!

[Kirsten]

CCL; I'm glad you finally got medical help for your wrist, and I hope you will be better soon and the pain will disappear.

I'm also happy to hear that Mr. Magoo still makes your heart melt. :) I don't think he's a real mean cat, he has always been so sweet with you in the shelter, so I think it's been only a mix of fear, over-stimulation and confusion that made him bite you.

Best wishes from here,

Kirsten

[Barbara]

I was away for the weekend and this thread came as kind of a shock to me: I was so worried when I heard you didn't want to see the doc first- I see that even small scratches can heal rather badly- and this was a serious bite.

I think for a blind cat the situation must have been very worrying. I hope if Mr. Magoo gets something to calm him down and has more time he will learn to live in the new environment just like he learnt to live at the shelter.

All the best for both of you:) :) :)

[Logan]

OH my! I had no idea of all the excitement at your house, CCL!! :eek:

Hope that arm is feeling better today, and your little boy is calm and getting used to his new environment.

Hang in there!

Logan

[K & L]

I've been so busy and just now caught up with this thread! I sure hope all works out and you're doing better!

[sirrahbed]

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Please get well soon CCL!!

[catcrazylady]

awwwwe debbie! what a sweet card!!!

i'm back from the docs and we will continue antibiotics unless this streak moves any further up my arm. then we go to the hospital for iv. i don't expect that to happen!
mr. magoo is doing fine and seems very relaxed. i am still very leary of him and extremely cautious. i only have one hand left!! he is responding very well to hubby so that is good. he must stay confined for at least another ten days. he has had all of his shots but on very off chance he was already carrying rabies he must stay confined. if he were rabid (which he is not) he will die within ten days of starting to bite. he was blind and on his own outside so i will be precautious and watch.
julie/ally's mom has contacted someone who has brought a rescued blind cat into her multi cat household. i too am going to try to contact her and maybe she can offer lots of advice.
i really can't thank all of you enough for all this help!!! my nurse debbie who tracked down my phone number to call and help me out with my wrist, julie and pif for using their time to gather info for me, to all of you who have shared past experiences so that i don't feel alone, and to each and every one of you for your kind, encouraging words. the prayers and conern for me and mr. magoo have been overwhelming! i cry when i just think about all of you!
i only hope that i learn something from this experience that will someday benfit someone else. my tears are overflowing now because of all you wonderful people. thank you isn't strong enough but i have nothing else to offer.

[RedHedd]

Aww! thank you for writing, as I know it must be painful. You and Mr. Magoo have been in our prayers and thoughts all day, and will continue to be until all is well in your part of the world.

[catland]

sorry I missed this thread before - I really missed all the excitement. I'm glad you've gotten medical attention and are recovering - that sounds like such a scary bite.

Don't be so hard on yourself, you had no way of knowing. I'm also sure that you've done a service here by reminding all of us just how potentially dangerous those cute little furballs can be.:eek:

I hope you now have a speedy and successful recovery and that this never happens to you again.:)

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Sorry it's taken so long to respond, but I've been thinking about you and hoping everything was going ok. Sorry to hear about the bite, but I'm glad you finally went and had it looked at and are doing ok.

Now, here's my take on what happened, and I'm going to explain it using a handicapped person (hp) as an example. For those of us who don't deal with handicapped people on a daily basis, our natural reaction when we see a hp is to try and help them. We want to do whatever we can for them to try and make things easier for them and to make sure they don't hurt themselves. I think most people who have dealt with hp's will eventually learn - and I think they usually learn the hard way - is that the hp doesn't want to be helped all the time. They want to do things for themselves - even if it means making things hard on themselves, and possibly getting hurt in the process. Basically, they want to be independent and the care taker needs to learn what the hp needs help with, and what they can do on their own.

So now, how this all relates to Paddy Bear is that he was out and about and taking care of himself as best he could while was essentially blind. He did have one eye, but probably couldn't see much - if anything - out of it. So he learned to be independent and how to defend himself without seeing. He wasn't used to having someone taking care of him and trying to protect him from the world and from hurting himself. I really think he learned a lot in those days - and we have no way of knowing how long he was outside and surviving like this. Then along comes Lisa, who's heart breaks when she sees Paddy, and all she wants to do is help protect sweet Paddy from the world. She knows very little about him, but she knows he can't see. So she treats him with kid gloves to try and make the transition into her home as easy as possible for him. He finally - after weeks and weeks in a cage - gets his freedom and starts exploring his new home. He thinks to himself "Yeah, I'm free again!" And then all of a sudden he's confined again so he lashes out. It's not Lisa's fault because she is only trying to protect him and make things easier for him. But it's not Paddy's fault either, because he has no other way of letting her know that he'll be ok - he can take care of himself. I'm sure that like most hp, he appreciates her help tremendously, but he also needed to let her know that she needs to "let go" and let him "do for himself."

I sure hope I explained this well enough because it really seems to me that this is what happened. I'm just sorry this all had to happen in this way - and at this time, what with the birthday celebrations and such - but as I always say, everything always works out for the best so ultimately it should be a good thing that Paddy showed us his strength at this time and in this way. It's too bad Lisa had to take a hit like this for us to see this, but it'll all work out for the best.

Please rest and take care of yourself, Lisa, and thanks for keeping us updated on everything that is going on with our no-so-fragile Paddy Bear. ;) :)

[sirrahbed]

Wow Debbie - this is spooky! Were you listening into the phone conversation with CCL and I??? I think she has come to this *exact* conclusion!! And I think you both are *exactly* right - down to the kidgloves and everything. Too weird!:eek: :D
Your description is excellent and I really think it is very observant. This sweet little vulnerable looking baby is not helpless and he wants OUT! In time Magoo!

[trayi52]

Yes Debbie that sounds just like what happened. I used to work with handicapped people. I worked with a little boy that had been born blind, had never experienced sight ever in his life.

So that does make a lot of sense. You explained that very well.

Lisa, I hope you are feeling better today. Hopefully that wrist will heal quickly. I know your going to do just fine with Paddy. Just hang in there and listen to the Debbies, and please take care of yourself.

Willie

[QueenScoopalot]

Lisa, Hope your hand is on the mend! Very good advice about the correlation between handicapped people and handicats! Speaking of...I saw a post on Yahoo (one of the many groups I'm signed up for involving handicapped pets) talking about you and Magoo. I was dashing out the door an another "safari" so didn't respond. Kisses to Magoo from the brain damaged, limbs missing, eyes missing etc. *mash unit* here! And hugs from me! :) Jan

[Dog1,Cats2]

Wow - just read thru this whole thread - very glad that CCL went to the doctor and that Magoo is otherwise doing OK.

How scary. But kudos to CCL for hanging in there after such a painful initiation. I'm sure Magoo will eventually show his appreciation for her TLC - but she needs the TLC at the moment!

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

Originally posted by QueenScoopalot
Lisa, Hope your hand is on the mend! Very good advice about the correlation between handicapped people and handicats! Speaking of...I saw a post on Yahoo (one of the many groups I'm signed up for involving handicapped pets) talking about you and Magoo. I was dashing out the door an another "safari" so didn't respond. Kisses to Magoo from the brain damaged, limbs missing, eyes missing etc. *mash unit* here! And hugs from me! :) Jan

I thought it might be you on handicats when I saw the username QueenScoopalot!!!;)

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Originally posted by sirrahbed
This sweet little vulnerable looking baby is not helpless and he wants OUT! In time Magoo!

Exactly! This is my long disertation summed up into one sentence! ;) :)

It is weird. I had no idea you guys were "secretly" discussing this very thing, but as soon as I read the story, this is what came to mind for me. I just hope it helps provide some insight, but seeing as Lisa had the same idea, I think she pretty much has the Magoo thing under control. ;) :D

[moosmom]

T&P's Mom summed it up perfectly!!!

Hang in there, Lisa. We're all here for you.

(((hugs))))

Donna