siberian huskies???

[tikeyas_mom]

what is the deal with sibes? Why are some of them born with long coats like Anna and Tikeya, and others are born with short coats like Nebo and Roxey??




Short coated NEBO:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pc1489c2ac527262865bbbbb78c008e6d/fa9df68e.jpg


Long Coated TIKEYA:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p11569abeccf9fb60bde6dedd24dab11e/fa862e43.jpg

[Kfamr]

Who knows. Maybe it has to do with grooming?

[tikeyas_mom]

i dought it, i know that long haired siberian huskies are caused by a throw back in the generation of pups, or a gene mix up. they are not a commenly seen, but long coated sibes have loooong hair way longer then Tikeyas and Annas. I brush tikeya all the time and her hair alwasy stays the same length?? humm.. :confused:

[Kfamr]

Maybe it's just gene's then. Although I do remember Amy saying Nebo's parent's had longer fur than him.

Sort of like some babies are born with lots of hair, other's aren't.

[tikeyas_mom]

that very well could be, ever site i go to with siberian huskies they all look like anna and Tikeya, if i goto a racing site they have huskies that look like nebo and roxey.. weired.

[Kfamr]

Coat
The coat of the Siberian Husky is double and medium in length, giving a well-furred appearance, but is never so long as to obscure the clean-cut outline of the dog. The undercoat is soft and dense and of sufficient length to support the outer coat. The guard hairs of the outer coat are straight and somewhat smooth-lying, never harsh nor standing straight off from the body. It should be noted that the absence of the undercoat during the shedding season is normal Trimming of whiskers and fur between the toes and around the feet to present a neater appearance is permissible. Trimming the fur on any other part of the dog is not to be condoned and should be severely penalized. Faults: Long, rough, or shaggy coat; texture too harsh or too silky; trimming of the coat, except as permitted above.



Taken from SHCA (http://www.shca.org/shcahp2c.htm)

[tikeyas_mom]

that still doesnt explain it.

[Kfamr]

Never said it did, it explains how it's "supposed" to be.

[tikeyas_mom]

ok... well so tikeya, anna, and roxey and nebo are all the same breed with different coat types?? hum.. doesnt make sence, because wouldent they be known as different coat types? example, smooth fox terrier and wire hair fox terriers?? :confused:

[shais_mom]

I think there are a lot of breeds like that.
Golden Retrievers, some have really long hair and others are so short haired they look like labs.

[wolf_Q]

Here's a page with some siberian husky photos

http://www.huskycolors.com/rescue.html

Show dogs have a tendency to have a thicker coat, especially more around the neck, but the coat never obscures the clean-cut outline of the body. The majority of those dog's coats look more like Nebo's/Roxey's to me.

Here's a page specifically on the coat

http://www.kossok.com/sibes/info/analysis/coat.htm

Here's another photo of Nebo...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p4806ebcf3ba4010cad0e6bee1a53dcd0/fa7e7066.jpg

Nebo's mother...it's hard to tell in the photos, but her coat is defintely thicker and considerably longer around the neck.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pe935e2410f143d655e2aa46c9b82e979/fb4a3c98.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/p1501d94d375fdc32e54ff2010cdad88b/fb4a3cc7.jpg
Here's his father..
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/p1d29304f0950e0238c845266a32f3247/fb4a3cb1.jpg


that very well could be, ever site i go to with siberian huskies they all look like anna and Tikeya, if i goto a racing site they have huskies that look like nebo and roxey.. weired.
When we were looking at pups we looked at a litter of racing line huskies. I looked at Nebo's litter the same day. The racing pups coats were much much thinner...they also lacked the color and facial mask. Also they were psycho! I've never seen more HYPER puppies!

Nebo's coat is pretty short for a siberian husky, and he also has fairly long legs. I still wouldn't call him a racing line husky, nor a show line husky. He's just a Nebo husky. :D

Tikeya and Anna are defintely *not* long-haired huskies (woolies). I've seen woolies, and their coats are much much longer. I would just classify them as a medium length coat.

Grooming really would not make a difference in the length of the guard hairs, but it does in the thickness of the coat. You can't tell from pics but the guard hairs at the base of Nebo's neck are really quite long, they just lay pretty flat. His coat is very soft and plush, and it's thinner on his sides...thicker on his back/neck/tail. I know his coat would look/feel thicker if I'd stop obsessively brushing him...but I like his coat the way it is.

No matter which coat is technically correct, they are all beautiful! :)

[pit chic]

Maybe Nebo has some racing line in his pedigree. I've seen other examples of different looking coats in the same breed.

http://www.workingpitbull.com/amstaffpit.htm

It mostly talks about the differences in Pit Bulls and AmStaffs, but at the bottom of the page it shows the differences in show bred English Setters and field working English Setters, as well as Huskies.

The show bred Setters are bred to look pretty while the working Setters are bred for their working abilities rather than a pretty coat. Before the AKC came into play, a lot of our breeds probably weren't as pretty as they are now.

[tikeyas_mom]

Tikeyas dad was a woolie, he has very long hair, they shouldnt have bred him because I have read that it isnt good to breed woolies. ?? :confused: tikeyas mom was a smooth coated like Nebo andf roxey, she was pure white :p..

here is another pic of Tikeya
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/pb54d5b48cca873e2bcb6f4e230f5783b/fb0f3c57.jpg

[pit chic]

If the woolie is a fualt or disqualifying feature in the breed, then no Tikeya's dad shouldn't have been bred. He would have been disqualified in the show ring, but of course, when the AKC doesn't put stricter regulations on their registries, people are free to breed whatever they want and claim AKC registry in an attempt to make money. It's really sad that it's like that.

I was reading a dog magazine talking about dog clubs in Germany. People have to put their dogs through all sorts of trials and tests and pass before they can breed their dogs. Maybe if the AKC would follow suite to the German dog clubs we might not have so many unscrupulous breeders out there creating more problems.

[Glacier]

Huskies can have varying coat lengths, within a small range. However, a woolie coat is a disqualification, so no Tikeya's dad should never have been used as a breeder. Responsible Husky breeders are working very hard to eleminate the woolie gene. The reason is that a woolie coat makes it extremely difficult for a husky to work. Woolie coats hold snow, they don't insulate as well as the regular length coat. The dog can't work as sled dogs because they can't keep themselves dry and warm. A woolie coated husky can be in grave danger in cold conditions.

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

Whats the difference between a Sib. Husky and a malamute???? :confused: :confused: (If they are the same thing....I'm stupid....:rolleyes:

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by *FlatCoatsRule*
Whats the difference between a Sib. Husky and a malamute???? :confused: :confused: (If they are the same thing....I'm stupid....:rolleyes:

siberian huskies are way smaller, and they can have blue eyes when pure bred, they have less muscle mass, and cannot pull as much weight as a malamute. The alaskan malamute can only have brown eyes, they have alonger shaggier coat, they have a thicker muzzle, and have bigger paws, they are amuch large breed in general.

click here form malamute (http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/alasmal.cfm)

[Glacier]

Originally posted by *FlatCoatsRule*
Whats the difference between a Sib. Husky and a malamute???? :confused: :confused: (If they are the same thing....I'm stupid....:rolleyes:


They are different breeds. Malamutes are much bigger than sibes. They are both northern breeds, both double coated. Their temperments and original purpose are different. Huskies were bred to pull a relatively light load, at a fairly pace. Mals were bred to pull very heavy loads at slow speeds for a long way. Mals tend to be more dog aggressive, higher prey drive. Both are hard to contain, stubborn, ect.

This is Muskwa--he's a six year old, purebred siberian. Weighs 48 pounds stands about 22 inches at the shoulder.
http://www.seemesmile.com/photos4/2359752a.jpg


This is Heyoka. He's a 2 year old purebred Malamute. He weighs 130 pounds and is much taller. I'm 5'10 and he looks me in the eye when he jumps up.
http://www.seemesmile.com/photos4/2502492a.jpg

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by Glacier
They are different breeds. Malamutes are much bigger than sibes. They are both northern breeds, both double coated. Their temperments and original purpose are different. Huskies were bred to pull a relatively light load, at a fairly pace. Mals were bred to pull very heavy loads at slow speeds for a long way. Mals tend to be more dog aggressive, higher prey drive. Both are hard to contain, stubborn, ect.

This is Muskwa--he's a six year old, purebred siberian. Weighs 48 pounds stands about 22 inches at the shoulder.
http://www.seemesmile.com/photos4/2359752a.jpg


This is Heyoka. He's a 2 year old purebred Malamute. He weighs 130 pounds and is much taller. I'm 5'10 and he looks me in the eye when he jumps up.
http://www.seemesmile.com/photos4/2502492a.jpg

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

OOOOH Thanks for the info guys! Those dogs are beautiful! Are they your friend's dog's or something? Or did you just get those pictures of internet? :)

[Glacier]

Originally posted by *FlatCoatsRule*
OOOOH Thanks for the info guys! Those dogs are beautiful! Are they your friend's dog's or something? Or did you just get those pictures of internet? :)


Muskwa and Heyoka are two of my dogs.

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

your dogs???? Do you have a breeding kennel or something?

[Glacier]

Originally posted by *FlatCoatsRule*
your dogs???? Do you have a breeding kennel or something?


I don't breed. My dogs are altered. I have 17 right now--three fosters, 14 permanent pack members. They are part-time sled dogs, full time spoiled pets.

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

Oh neato! Is it fun? I've always wondered what it was like........It sounds so coool! Do you have a Balto Doggy? lol (I mean, one that's like a pack leader, not looking like him) :p :)

[Glacier]

Originally posted by *FlatCoatsRule*
Oh neato! Is it fun? I've always wondered what it was like........It sounds so coool! Do you have a Balto Doggy? lol (I mean, one that's like a pack leader, not looking like him) :p :)


It is fun--it's also much more work than it looks like.

Muskwa is my pack alpha. He doesn't run in lead for me, but he is definately the alpha dog. My lead dogs are both females and both submissive to other dogs when they aren't in harness.

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

COOL! Tell me more!

[tikeyas_mom]

i would love to know more too!! you should make a sig, i want to see all your pups in one siggy :p.

[Kfamr]

I volunteer.:D

[tikeyas_mom]

i have offered befor to make a sig, but Glacier declined. :(

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

hmmmmm,wonder why? Do you guys like my new sig? It's my first one ever! =) :D

[tikeyas_mom]

i do :p

[Glacier]

All of them in one sig?? that would take days to download!!!

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by Glacier
All of them in one sig?? that would take days to download!!!

hahaha how many huskies do you have?? lol

[Glacier]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
hahaha how many huskies do you have?? lol

I have four purebred siberians, one malamute, two mal-cross, and 7 husky crosses. Plus I foster three husky crosses--maybe four by the weekend

[tikeyas_mom]

meh thats only 17 :p. i have seen sigs hold that many pets lol

[EssTer]

I have question, does red and white sibs can have blue eyes ..... :confused:

[pit chic]

Hey FlatCoatsRule,

Is your lab albino or is it just the picture? Those are some great looking pups you got.

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by EssTer
I have question, does red and white sibs can have blue eyes ..... :confused: red siberian huskies like nebo can have blue eyes, it is fairly common :)

[Glacier]

Originally posted by EssTer
I have question, does red and white sibs can have blue eyes ..... :confused:

Muskwa is a red and white and he has crystal clear blue eyes.

[EssTer]

Thanx for answers :)

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

Hey FlatCoatsRule,

Is your lab albino or is it just the picture? Those are some great looking pups you got.
[QUOTE]

Thanks! Nope, it's just the pictures. Although, his nose is pink and around his eyes are pink, but, when he was a pup it wasn't like that, just his nose was pink. lol and down his back he's got some brown and a little on his ears so i wouldn't call him an albino, but, he's pretty darn close to it! There's white hairs all over the house! LOL :p

I have question, does red and white sibs can have blue eyes .....

I think the red ones with the blue eyes are absolutly gorgeous! :eek: (like Nebo!;) )

[pit chic]

What color are his eyes?

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

His eyes are NOT pink, sorry, i forgot to mention that little detail! hee hee, His eyes are a yellowish goldish color. It's really pretty:)

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by Glacier
All of them in one sig?? that would take days to download!!!

No it wouldn't :p I want to try. You don't have to use it but I just want to anyways. :p If you want, please send all of their pictures(an names along with) to [email protected] -- again, you don't have to do that either. :p

[GoldenRetrLuver]

When Daisy was younger, people thought she was a lab. She didn't have that long, flowing, coat like most goldens, and was VERY light colored.

See? :o
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/pc3ccc83411340c77cb33b1eb45bb2f1f/fbc354c0.jpg

Either way, long or short coated huskies...I love them all! :)

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

Oh wow! Daisy, you changed A LOT in color! Your pretty no matter what! :eek: :D

[Twisterdog]

My sister has eight Siberians. I wish I had pictures of them to post. She has black and white, silver and white and red and white ones ... and one black and white pinto/piebald. Most of them have blue eyes, but a couple have brown eyes. She is wanting a bi-eyed one, now.

Here is a link to a site with good pictures of all the Siberian colors, patterns and eyes.

http://www.huskycolors.com/rescue.html

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by *FlatCoatsRule*
Oh wow! Daisy, you changed A LOT in color! Your pretty no matter what! :eek: :D

Thanks. :) Most goldens go through the "lab lookalike" stage.

[isis]

Awww!! Love the picture of Tikeya in your sig, tikeyas_mom!!!:D