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[momo90291]

Does anyone know a Red Tri I could breed Blue Belle to? She is a Blue Merle.:confused:

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Why breed when there are so many homeless dogs out there?

[momo90291]

My parents said "No more dogs!" I mean why not? Has that ever happend to you?:confused: momo

[momo90291]

Oh, I have a question, how do you get pictures of your dog on there? momo

[tikeyas_mom]

umm.. dont breed. Why breed when there is soo many homlesspuppies out there in the world today, why dont you spay your dog?? all you have to do to post pics ispress the IMG button then past the link to your pic in the lil box that pops up.

[Desert Arabian]

Eh, something about this person screams the word: TROLL to me.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[momo90291]

what do you mean? momo

[Desert Arabian]

Originally posted by momo90291
what do you mean? momo

Don't breed your dog.

[Aspen and Misty]

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Ashley

[cali]

I am not against breeding, I just have a few questions

1. is she CERFed? OFAed? if you dont know what they are then I suggest breeding will be an extremly bad idea.

2. how old is she? if its her first heat forget it. never breed until they are at LEAST 2 years old.

3. why do you want to breed blue bell?

4. will she somehow improve the breed?

5.does she show outstanding working ability?

6.has she ever been worked?

7.is she a show aussie or real aussie?

8. do you know whats involved in breeding?

9. what do you plan to do with the pups?

10. do you have homes lined up?

11. are you prepared to spend every waking minut with the pups? are you prepared to be staying up all night and bottle feeding if anything should happen and the pups need hand fed?

[tikeyas_mom]

dont just call her a troll because she asked about breeding dogs..

[wolf_Q]

blue belle is her name she has just turn one she is in heat we plan on breeding her. momo

[cali]

well that answers a whole lot of questions, too young to breed, AND to young to have been helth tested etc..:rolleyes:

[binka_nugget]

According to your profile, you're 12. You're WAY too young to be breeding (even if you did get her checked and all). Firstly, your parents say you're not allowed to have another dog. RESPECT THAT. Don't be a rebel and breed your dog because your parents say you can't have ONE other dog. That would only show them how irresponsible you are and may make them question whether or not you can handle blue belle alone. Secondly, we're talking about a litter of puppies. NOT just one other dog. These are breathing, living things. Are you prepared to stay up all night to make sure your girl makes it? Are you prepared to bring your dog to the vet's immediately if something happens to her? It's very risky and you can end up losing her. What will you do if you don't find homes for all pups? What if the pups' future owners come back to you and complain that they have bad eyes, hips or any other genetic problem. Will you be ready to offer them back their money and take back and find another home for the dog? This isn't just a thing that leaves you the moment the pups leave you. You're responsible for the pups until the day they pass. I'm sorry if this comes off as rude but I'm all for rescue and against breeding if you're not doing the right tests and not breeding with great breed representatives.

[Desert Arabian]

Originally posted by cali
I am not against breeding, I just have a few questions

1. is she CERFed? OFAed? if you dont know what they are then I suggest breeding will be an extremly bad idea.

2. how old is she? if its her first heat forget it. never breed until they are at LEAST 2 years old.

3. why do you want to breed blue bell?

4. will she somehow improve the breed?

5.does she show outstanding working ability?

6.has she ever been worked?

7.is she a show aussie or real aussie?

8. do you know whats involved in breeding?

9. what do you plan to do with the pups?

10. do you have homes lined up?

11. are you prepared to spend every waking minut with the pups? are you prepared to be staying up all night and bottle feeding if anything should happen and the pups need hand fed?

Good questions!!!! :) What about:

1) Can you afford the vet bills if something may happen to the bitch, i.e birth complications?
2) Can you afford the vet bills to have all of the puppies vaccinations and other shots?

Those count too, vet bills cost a lot of $$!! :(

[wolfsoul]

Aussies are one of the most common breeds in shelters. That is because of irresponsible backyard breeders. Don't become one of them.

[momo90291]

my horse is already bread, so why can't i breed my dog to. IT IS A MOMENT IN LIFE YOU COULD NEVER FORGET. Don't say i am a troll because i want my dog to be bread! am i right?:(

[momo90291]

oh and thanks tikas mom. sorry if i spelled that wrong. momo

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by momo90291
IT IS A MOMENT IN LIFE YOU COULD NEVER FORGET.
That's not a good reason to breed. You'll just be adding to the millions of lives in shelters that are being euthanized each year.

[binka_nugget]

Did you read ALL of your replies? It's not a good idea. You're risking losing blue belle's life. I think it's completely selfish to risk that and KNOW that you're adding to the millions of dogs in shelters.

[cali]

big mistake! read the questions I asked. just by seeing your other posts they anwser those questions, and in the worst way possable. DONT BREED

[Desert Arabian]

:( :( :( I have a feeling that every animal you own you want to breed...is that true!?! :( :( :( Poor horsey, and poor Blue Belle.

Please re-consider breeding your pup...breeding is for PROFESSIONALS (with YEARS +15 of experience)...and your pup could pass away!! :(

[wolfsoul]

In my own opinion, breeding is something you do to better the breed, and it should be done with a program. How many other aussies do you have? Are they ALL tested? Aussies are prone to dysplasia, eye problems, ear problems...etc. Have you done all the nessecary and even unessecary testing? Are they certified? Are they pedigreed? Registered? Do atleast some of them fit a standard? Are atleast some of them working quality? Are they participants of any sports? Are you willing to risk her life? Are you willing to give her an emergency C-section that might kill her or the pups? Do you have an emergency vet? What kind of diet are they on? Are their temperments good?

Considering I'm sure that you only have one dog...I guess the answers to these questions won't be answered very well.

[wolfsoul]

Here is something that I posted on another thread some time ago.

Not spaying a dog before her first heat increases the likelihood of cancer, and letting your dog breed GREATLY increases her risk of cancer. As for weight, it will change absolutely nothing except the fact that your dog will be alot fatter for the months that it's pregnant, and about a month or two afterwards.

~An estimated eight to ten million dogs are euthanized in shelters each year. Millions are abandoned, only to suffer from illness or injury before dying. That's about one every 4 seconds.
~Most of the dogs in shelters are from backyard breeders.
~Over 56% of dogs and puppies entering shelters are killed. (Most of these dogs and puppies go to "good" homes).
~It costs U.S. taxpayers an estimated $2 billion each year to round up, house, kill, and dispose of homeless animals (So you may be adding to the taxes by breeding).
~For every human, there are about ten dogs. There are about 6 billion people in this world. Should every person own ten dogs?
~As many as 25% of dogs entering shelters each year are purebreds.
~Every unspayed female pet potentially contributes to the problem.
~A female spayed AFTER sexual maturity has a 70% chance of developing mammary cancer. By having a litter of puppies, her chaces of cancer are increased greatly by even more.
~Contrary to popular myths, there are absolutely NO benefits, medical or otherwise, in letting your female dog have even one heat cycle or litter before she is spayed.
~Your spayed female will be healthier. She will avoid the risks of pregnancy and uterine infections, and she will be far less likely to develop mammary and uterine cancer in life.
~A dog that isn't spayed before sexual maturity has a very good chance of developing the life-threatening uterine infection. Risk greatly increased after having puppies.

A reputable breeder:
Breeds ONLY for the improvement of the breed, and NO other reason.
Has pedigreed dogs with papers, and the puppies should be registered.
Has more than one breeding pair.
Doesn't breed more than two breeds (Infact two is pushing it if you ask me).
Makes sure their dogs are health certified (hips, elbows, eyes, etc.).
Breeds purebred dogs.
Discontinues any line that shows any sign of illness.
Keeps their dog competitive in shows such as conformation, agility, diving, flyball etc.
Breeds on demand and/or has the puppies reserved before he/she breeds.
Takes the time that is nesecarry to be sure that his/her dogs match up personality-wise before breeding.
Has their dogs checked atleast twice a year.
Makes sure that their dogs are socialized with other dogs and people.
Are responsible owners as well as breeders (takes dogs for walks, keeps them on a healthy diet etc).

[Foam]

Hi Momo.
Do not breed Blue Belle. She is too young. :( Breeding her could severley damage her health.
If you absolutley, positivley, must breed her, then wait two or three years, and do NOT breed her with another merle. The pups will come out blind, deaf, albino or all three.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Foam
The pups will come out blind, deaf, albino or all three.
I highly doubt they'd be albino hehe. ;) Albinism in dogs is extremely rare. You can get partial albinism fairly commonly, but not albinism. Most likely she'd get mainly homozygous merles.

[Foam]

Albino/White..whatever. :p

[Cheshirekatt]

Originally posted by momo90291
my horse is already bread, so why can't i breed my dog to. IT IS A MOMENT IN LIFE YOU COULD NEVER FORGET.

That's a very selfish reason to breed a dog.

[Kfamr]

Sorry, Bread is something you bake, not what a dog does.

And I agree with YLL..... It's screaming.

[Shelteez2]

I mostly agree with what you posted. I just have a few questions that I'd like you to clarify if you don't mind. :)


Originally posted by wolfsoul
Here is something that I posted on another thread some time ago.

~A female spayed AFTER sexual maturity has a 70% chance of developing mammary cancer. By having a litter of puppies, her chaces of cancer are increased greatly by even more.

Can you post a link to a site that states that? I've read so many that have different statistics as to the percentage a dog is at risk. I'm always interested in reading more.



Can you explain this to me? More responsible breeders don't have several pairs of dogs that they breed together. In fact if they own a stud dog, they rarely use him on their bitches, instead going to someone else to try and bring different blood lines to their dogs. Of course I may have read what you wrote the wrong way :)
[quote]Has their dogs checked atleast twice a year.
Checked for what?



Oh and I agree with everyone else. The dog should not be bred.

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Most likely she'd get mainly homozygous merles.

She'd actually get about 25% of them being homozygous merles, but any percent is too high.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Shelteez2


Can you post a link to a site that states that? I've read so many that have different statistics as to the percentage a dog is at risk. I'm always interested in reading more.


Has more than one breeding pair.
Can you explain this to me? More responsible breeders don't have several pairs of dogs that they breed together. In fact if they own a stud dog, they rarely use him on their bitches, instead going to someone else to try and bring different blood lines to their dogs. Of course I may have read what you wrote the wrong way :)

Checked for what?


I don't have a link for that statistic.

I mean that they shouldn't be breeding the same pair again and again. They should have more than one female and one male. They need to create a winder range of genes (I was considering some shiloh breeders in BC, but changed my mind when I found out that they only have three dogs and don't breed their female with dogs from other breeders, only their two males).

A regular vet check, to make sure that everything is in tip top shape. If not twice a year, atleast once would be good. I'm not even a breeder, and my dog will be checked twice a year if not more. ;)

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
I don't have a link for that statistic.
That's too bad. It's one of the highest percent chances of a dog getting cancer that I'v eever heard of, so wanted to look into it further.



I mean that they shouldn't be breeding the same pair again and again. They should have more than one female and one male. They need to create a winder range of genes (I was considering some shiloh breeders in BC, but changed my mind when I found out that they only have three dogs and don't breed their female with dogs from other breeders, only their two males).

That's what I thought you might have meant, but I just wanted to make sure.



A regular vet check, to make sure that everything is in tip top shape. If not twice a year, atleast once would be good. I'm not even a breeder, and my dog will be checked twice a year if not more. ;)

My dogs don't see the vet more than once a year, unless something is wrong. What exactly does your vet check?

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Shelteez2


My dogs don't see the vet more than once a year, unless something is wrong. What exactly does your vet check?
He checks the heartbeat and the breathing and eyes and ears and feels the body for anything odd, etc. Just what a doctor does for a human checkup. ;) I know this is something you can obviously do yourself, but it's great to have a more professional opinion rather than just doing everyhting yourself.

[momo90291]

ya'll are right, i think i want to spay her and then make her a show dog thanks for your advise, but my horse is already bred (is that right?) and has been bred many times by her previous owner. momo

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by momo90291
ya'll are right, i think i want to spay her and then make her a show dog
What kind of show dog? You can't show her in conformation if you spay her. I'd reccomend agility, flyball, herding, flying disc, or obedience. Aussies are great at those. ;)

[Fiachra]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
What kind of show dog? You can't show her in conformation if you spay her. I'd reccomend agility, flyball, herding, flying disc, or obedience. Aussies are great at those. ;)
Yep, Aussies are great at those sports, and no, you cannot show a spayed dog in conformation.
Thanks a LOT for not breeding her! You might have saved her life by not breeding her!!!!!:)

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
What kind of show dog? You can't show her in conformation if you spay her. I'd recommend agility, flyball, herding, flying disc, or obedience. Aussies are great at those. ;)

Well they do have an altered conformation class for those who want to do it for fun. I'm not sure how they work or how popular they are. Also since she is young she may want to get into Jr. Handling, which is all about learning how to show a dog properly, and for that the dog doesn't have to be intact.
But you're also right in that aussies are great at all the other sports you mentioned!! Lots of fun to be had by all!!

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by Shelteez2
That's too bad. It's one of the highest percent chances of a dog getting cancer that I'v eever heard of, so wanted to look into it further.



That's what I thought you might have meant, but I just wanted to make sure.



My dogs don't see the vet more than once a year, unless something is wrong. What exactly does your vet check?

I went for many job shadows at the local vets and I asked them that very same question, why is the percentage so high if you dont spay your dog befor its first heat?? the vet stated that the dog will be 70% more likely to get cancer later in life.. What better proof, then a vet telling me??

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
I went for many job shadows at the local vets and I asked them that very same question, why is the percentage so high if you dont spay your dog befor its first heat?? the vet stated that the dog will be 70% more likely to get cancer later in life.. What better proof, then a vet telling me??
That's nice that the vet said that, but I'd still like some proof in the form of statistics. Vets are still people, and people all have their own opinions. You can ask ten different vets and get ten different answers. :)

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

Originally posted by momo90291
my horse is already bread, so why can't i breed my dog to. IT IS A MOMENT IN LIFE YOU COULD NEVER FORGET.

That's a very selfish reason to breed a dog.





Sorry, Bread is something you bake, not what a dog does.

And I agree with YLL..... It's screaming.


IF YOU WERE MOMO, AND PEOPLE POSTED THINGS LIKE THAT TO YOU, WOULDN'T THAT LIKE, HURT YOUR FEELINGS????? Thank you for not breeding the dog, but sheesh people i never knew you guys would say stuff like that.

[Kfamr]

I'm not momo nor would I even have the slightest thought of breeding dogs, especially at the age she is.

The things that were said were truthful. It is a selfish reason, and bread is bread.

Besides that, she's 12 and not supposed to be here.

[momo90291]

I'm sorry guys will ya'll forgive me. I really want to be a part of this without being hated. :( momo

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by momo90291
I'm sorry guys will ya'll forgive me. I really want to be a part of this without being hated. :( momo

Legally, you're not supposed to.

Didn't you read the rules when you registered?



You must be over the age of 13 to register. If you agree to the terms, and are over 13, please press the Agree button at the end of the page.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by *FlatCoatsRule*


IF YOU WERE MOMO, AND PEOPLE POSTED THINGS LIKE THAT TO YOU, WOULDN'T THAT LIKE, HURT YOUR FEELINGS????? Thank you for not breeding the dog, but sheesh people i never knew you guys would say stuff like that.
I think some hurt feelings are better than homeless puppies. But I agree the spelling correction was unnessecary, and in my opinion, just rude. Having friends with dyslexia, illiteracy, and friends who have just plain battled reading and spelling their whole lives, I can definatly sympathize and empathize.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
But I agree the spelling correction was unnessecary, and in my opinion, just rude.

How so? :confused:

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Kfamr
It was a joke, not meant to hurt anyone. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


But, again, it's the truth. Bread is something you bake.:rolleyes:

And I don't see how it was rude, anyways.


...some people.
Some people? Some people should watch how they word their "jokes" because they can be very hurtful. Sometimes it's better not to say anything at all, truth or not. :) Telling someone not to breed a dog is one thing, telling someone needless spelling corrections is just stupid.

[Kfamr]

Oh ok, So we should tell her what to do with her dog (not that i disagree) but correcting her spelling is rude and 'stupid'



Ahhh.. Ok, makes complete sense.... Not. :rolleyes:

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Oh ok, So we should tell her what to do with her dog (not that i disagree) but correcting her spelling is rude and 'stupid'



Ahhh.. Ok, makes complete sense.... Not. :rolleyes:
Spelling problems can follow somone around and torment them. Even when someone tries to help, their "jokes" don't help at all. Suggesting not to breed a dog is not the same as "joking" about a chronic problem. My best friend failed english 10 last year because she can't read or spell well, and she would be very hurt by what some might call a "joke" that "isn't meant to hurt."

[CamCamPup33]

She just corrected her spelling... :rolleyes:

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Spelling problems can follow somone around and torment them. Even when someone tries to help, their "jokes" don't help at all. Suggesting not to breed a dog is not the same as "joking" about a chronic problem. My best friend failed english 10 last year because she can't read or spell well, and she would be very hurt by what some might call a "joke" that "isn't meant to hurt."


LOL. I still don't see how telling her "bread is something you bake, no what a dog does" is rude.

Calling my 'joke' (which honestly, wasn't meant to harm anyone or cause you to get a fuss about it) stupid could follow me around and torment me as well. Will it? Probably not. But, It was much more uncalled for than correcting someone's spelling.

So, Is it rude for a teacher to correct a kid's spelling?

[CamCamPup33]

Originally posted by Kfamr
So, Is it rude for a teacher to correct a kid's spelling?

Er.. If so, my teachers are SO RUDE! Stupid teachers.. :p

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Kfamr

So, Is it rude for a teacher to correct a kid's spelling?
You must have some damn rude and insensitive teachers.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
You must have some damn rude and insensitive teachers.

Huh? :rolleyes: :confused:

[Desert Arabian]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
You must have some damn rude and insensitive teachers.

Um...HELLO...its the teachers job!!


Please do not tell me teachers in Canada do not correct childrens spelling and help them to spell better!?!? :confused:

[Kfamr]

IMO, everyone has something they can teach one another, whether if it's their job or not. If correcting someone's spelling and helping them learn a bit more is rude.... then HECK i'm rude.

It's not like your opinion on me would change otherwise. :rolleyes:

[wolfsoul]

Huh?

I've never met a teacher that would use a "correction" so bluntly. When I was 12, my teacher would have explained to me the difference between bread and bred and then showed me some examples. But that would be in class. On an internet forum, what's the point? You KNEW what she meant, is what I'm saying. You didn't need an affirmation. We are not in a classroom, and spelling mistakes shouldn't be taken for granted because some people have real problems with grammar.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by YellowLabLover
Um...HELLO...its the teachers job!!


*looks around* Ooooh Kay ann is our new teacher now! I get it! :o

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
I've never met a teacher that would use a "correction" so bluntly. When I was 12, my teacher would have explained to me the difference between bread and bred and then showed me some examples. But that would be in class. On an internet forum, what's the point? You KNEW what she meant, is what I'm saying. You didn't need an affirmation. We are not in a classroom, and spelling mistakes shouldn't be taken for granted because some people have real problems with grammar.


LMFAO Jordan, oh Jordan..

You crack me up sooo much! :D :D

What's the point for spelling on an internet forum? You mean there's no point to spelling correctly?

I don't believe spelling mistakes are taken for granted, nor should they be ignored. If my spelling was/is incorrect, i'd want someone to tell me. She may or may not have real problems with grammar, but nothing's going to change if she's never corrected.
Sort of like training a dog, if you don't correct it when it's incorrect, then it's never going to learn. And no, i'm not saying she's a dog.


And thanks for telling me that we're not in a classroom. I really had NO idea! :eek:


Anyways.. Enough of that now, Back to the original topic, thank yas!

[wolfsoul]

LMFAO Jordan, oh Jordan..

You crack me up sooo much!

What's the point for spelling on an internet forum? You mean there's no point to spelling correctly?

I don't believe spelling mistakes are taken for granted, nor should they be ignored. If my spelling was/is incorrect, i'd want someone to tell me. She may or may not have real problems with grammar, but nothing's going to change if she's never corrected.
Sort of like training a dog, if you don't correct it when it's incorrect, then it's never going to learn. And no, i'm not saying she's a dog.


And thanks for telling me that we're not in a classroom. I really had NO idea!


Anyways.. Enough of that now, Back to the original topic, thank yas!

:rolleyes: Just like you to laugh at everything. I'd hate to see you at the scene of a murder. Yeah, don't bother replying back saying lmao because I know that you're laughing.


What's the point for spelling on an internet forum? You mean there's no point to spelling correctly?
I didn't say that. I said there's no point to CORRECTING spelling on an internet forum.



Momo, do you think you'll put Blue Belle into any of those sports? Any pics? :) If you want to stay, you should pm Karen your phone number and get her to call your parents to see if you can. You are supposed to be 13 to be here.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
:rolleyes: Just like you to laugh at everything. I'd hate to see you at the scene of a murder. Yeah, don't bother replying back saying lmao because I know that you're laughing.



I'd hate to see myself at a scene of a murder as well because i'd probably be horrified and bawling my eyes out. You seem to think i'm some heartless person, let me tell you hunny, you're soooo wrong.

And, you saying stuff that is any less rude than correcting someone's spelling? :confused: :rolleyes::(

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Kfamr
I'd hate to see myself at a scene of a murder as well because i'd probably be horrified and bawling my eyes out. You seem to think i'm some heartless person, let me tell you hunny, you're soooo wrong.

And, you saying stuff that is any less rude than correcting someone's spelling? :confused: :rolleyes::(
Yeah, well so far you're really proving me wrong. Hunny? Oh great, another little nickname to top on the list of people you hate.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Yeah, well so far you're really proving me wrong. Hunny? Oh great, another little nickname to top on the list of people you hate.

What the heck?? :( :( :mad:

First, you sit here and call me rude, and things I say stupid -- now you're being rude yourself. No one ever said I hate you, and you should not make that assumption.

[wolfsoul]

YEAH, I AM being rude, and I'm doing it on purpose because I'm tired of the constant attitude.

EDIT: Sorry if I'm being terrible, I'm just tired of hearing people complain. I apologize if I sound mean.

[Kfamr]

Yeah... And it really makes sense to do so on this thread, when it has nothing to do with and/or about me.


Any farther rudeness, please reply with PM. Thanks.

Edit: Who's complaining, and what is there to complain about?:confused:

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
YEAH, I AM being rude, and I'm doing it on purpose because I'm tired of the constant attitude.

I am with you on that one Jordan

[Amber]

This thread is CoNfUsInG!

[andrea_NMAggie]

wow, this thread has gotten off of the subject big time!

[CamCamPup33]

Originally posted by Amber
This thread is CoNfUsInG!

er.. Ok? Back to subject! :p

[tikeyas_mom]

I agree...


So have you talked to your parents about not breeding you aussie??? I hope so

[Amber]

Originally posted by CamCamPup33
er.. Ok? Back to subject! :p
It Is, Because one point you guys are talk about correcting grammer and then talking about being rude then back to the correcting grammer!

[*FlatCoatsRule*]

er.....peoples.....I'm really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really SORRY I started this mess, can we please get back to subject? :( :( :( :( :confused: :( :( :( :( :( Sorry everybody, i didn't know............:(