Toy puppies

[CamCamPup33]

Okay i have heard that with toy dogs they have some health problems because theyare so small? can someone fill me in?

[Layka3000]

I have heard that so much in my life, they are just as equal to a large or medium dog!

[cocker_luva]

i've never heard that before. :p

[Layka3000]

Toy dogs are supposed t olive longer that any other group, because they dont do things such as head sheep, agility....etc. (:

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by Layka3000
Toy dogs are supposed t olive longer that any other group, because they dont do things such as head sheep, agility....etc. (:

Where did you here that? :confused:

[denver83tet]

I've never heard that. Are min/pins considered a toy breed?? If so, I have one, & she is healthy as can be :)

[Dobiegirl24]

smaller dogs are known to live longer, but i don't thinks it's b/c they don't do herding or hunting or whatever. but toy dogs do do agility and other peformance events but that does not have anything to do with how long they live, unless they get an injury doing those performance events maybe

[Layka3000]

This is just a Question:

Don't most bigger dogs suffer from hip displasia!
(sorry I might have spelt it wrong)

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by Layka3000
This is just a Question:

Don't most bigger dogs suffer from hip displasia!
(sorry I might have spelt it wrong)

It depends on the breed and whether or not it was good breeding.

[Layka3000]

that tooo.

[ChloeLove]

Yes, some small dogs have health problems, but health defects come with just about every breed, not just small dogs. It just depends on the breed of dog. For example, my dog who is a Bichon Frise comes with eye problems, but she hasn't had any yet, but eye problems are common with Bichons. Small dogs tend to live longer and it has something to do with blood circulation and the heart, but I'm not quite sure what it is.

[Layka3000]

Well U have a point there?.... SORRY!!!!!~ :)

[cocker_luva]

Originally posted by ChloeLove
but health defects come with just about every breed, not just small dogs.

yea, cockers are at risk for epilepsy (seizures), but Jesse hasn't shown any signs of that. I would know I have studied epilepsy because my mother has had it for years. :(

[Layka3000]

Gasp!...that is os saf! :(

[puppygrrl4eva7]

I also have heard that small dogs live longer, and I have heard of Teacup Yorkies is that like a mini Breed of Yorkies? That seems almost impossible they are already so tiny, when I first got Ringo he was no bigger than a rat;) But still cute as could be

[Layka3000]

Teacup... I have never heard of them! :)

[cocker_luva]

Originally posted by Layka3000
Teacup... I have never heard of them! :)

really!?! :eek: there are
*teacup yorkies
*teacup poodles
*teacup chihuahuas

and i think there are teacup pomeranians. :)

[Layka3000]

I have only heard of teacup poodle

[wolfsoul]

Scientists still have yet to figure out why small dogs live longer than large dogs. It's the same with every species, dwarf mice live longer than regular mice. They eat the same amount per gram according to body weight. They do get tumors, but they come late in life and develop very slowly. Scientists aren't sure why yet.

It wouldn't make any sense that it's because they don't herd and do agility. LOTS of small dogs do agility, and some small dogs herd. Corgis herd. And terriers dig, which is alot more physically demanding than herding and agility. And good physical strength makes you live longer, not shorter.

[xoxjoanie]

I have a Yorkie! There is no such thing as a Teacup Yorkie! Only breeders that breed them when they shouldn't because they're too small to breed. Yorkies usually are 4 to 7 pounds and are considered a Toy Breed.

[puppygrrl4eva7]

I saw an advertisment in the paper Teacup Yorkies

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by xoxjoanie
I have a Yorkie! There is no such thing as a Teacup Yorkie! Only breeders that breed them when they shouldn't because they're too small to breed. Yorkies usually are 4 to 7 pounds and are considered a Toy Breed.

Teacup yorkies are real. They are only a certain size of yorkie. They are able to be registered, but only as a yorkie, because teacup yorkies arent a seperate breed.

Teacups are under 4 pounds and under 8 inches at the withers.

[Layka3000]

Wow that is ver small! Do you know what the smallest breed of dog in the world is?

[micki76]

We had a teacup Chi named Tammy and she was 2.5 lbs and overweight at that!

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Layka3000
Wow that is ver small! Do you know what the smallest breed of dog in the world is?

yup, chihuahua.

[Kosy]

There is no such thing as a teacup poodle. It's a term backyard breeders and unscrupulous breeders use to gouge money out of the unsuspecting public, as though these teeny dogs are something extra-special. Poodles come in three sizes only, as recognized by the AKC and other registries: toy, miniature and standard. I have two standards.

[CamCamPup33]

ooo thanks for the info jordan! so they do have health problems later in life? :)

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by CamCamPup33
ooo thanks for the info jordan! so they do have health problems later in life? :)

Yes, whereas the regular kind have them earlier in life. :)

Kosy, there is such thing as a teacup poodle. Just because it's not in a standard, or it isn't a recognizable size, doesn't mean it's unexistable. White/blue/liver shepherds aren't recognized colours. They exist. Alaskan huskies aren't a recognized breed, but they still exist. Same with Miniature australian shepherds and miniature dalmatians. They may not be recgonized in some "standard" but they are real.

[cocker_luva]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Alaskan huskies aren't a recognized breed, but they still exist. Same with Miniature australian shepherds.

yea, i think the other name for alaskan huskies are Canadian huskies. and the other name for mini australian shepherds are North american shepherds. :p

[wolfsoul]

I knew the miniture aussies were north american shpherds, but I didn't know alaskan huskies were Candian huskies. :) Thanks.

[tikeyas_mom]

oscar is a toy and he is fine other then the yucky eyes that shih tzus get :rolleyes:. other then that my oscar is fine ;)

[Layka3000]

mY FRIND HAS A sHIH tZU

[cocker_luva]

so does my neighbor. she used to breed her little Katie, only 3 times though. then she stopped and let Katie be a dog. :)

[Layka3000]

<My frind thought about breeding her Shih Tzu (Angel) since she wasnt fixed>

But she kinda forgot about her. I feel very bad I hate the fact that people but dogs but then stop being responsible and forget about them.

<I think people should act as if dogs are people....too.>

That makes me very angry~!

[cocker_luva]

Originally posted by Layka3000
But she kinda forgot about her.

what do u mean she forgot her!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Layka3000]

she has "other" worries. she really liked her but then she all of a sudden forgot about her. Now only she pays attention to her cats.

[subwayseries]

Every breed has ailments associated with them. Often Toy varieties can be born with additional medical problems if they're born too small, and don't develop properly. I have a Toy Poodle, and his tear ducts never developed, causing him to tear constantly. This is common with a lot of Toy Poodles.

"Teacup" is not a variety. It is a pet store marketing term. Toy Poodles, for instance, are 10" in height (at the shoulder) or less (in the US). The smallest ones are marketed as "teacups". Quite often they are runts. Acquire these dogs with caution. You can easily become attached after 5 minutes, and might face a dog who's not going to make it and/or will cost thousands in vet bills.

[Pam]

Subwayseries, Welcome to Pet Talk! I see a poodle in you avatar! :) I am mom to two of them, Bella and Ripley, in my signature! :) I hope you will stick around and post lots of stories and pictures of your cutie!

In the past I had two toy poodles and one of them required surgery on one of his knees due to a condition called fluxating patella. His knee cap would go out of place causing him a lot of pain and he had to have a pin inserted. It is a trait that can crop up in a toy dog although an experienced breeder recognizes this and can try and "breed out" some of these traits. I bought Pumpkin from a backyard breeder (I didn't even know what they were at the time) and I am sure the people just looked for any toy male to be stud for their little girl. That said, I wouldn't have traded him for $1,000,000 and he lived to be 17! :)

Recently in the vet's office there was a teacup poodle. She had a cast on her front leg and her owner said this was her most recent broken bone. She had broken the other leg previously just by running and bumping into a piece of furniture. Her little legs looked just like match sticks. As adorable as these teeny tiny dogs look, I would be terrified to own one due to their fragility. :(

[Rachel]

I also would like to welcome Subwayseries to Pet Talk and it is especially nice to have one more guy in the mix. Sometimes we get carried away from the female perspective. :D

Although I do believe our next dog (if we outlive the ones we have) will be a bit smaller, like Pam, I don't know if I would feel comfortable with one is so small that it appears to be fragile. Also the lifting of a smaller dog would be the advantage, yet I'm wondering about the increased difficulty of getting down and back up from their level.

[subwayseries]

Hi, Pam

Bella and Ripley are cuties. Poodles get a bad rap sometimes, and someone's always making fun of one in a movie or TV, but we know they're great :D

Poms get that kneecap slipping thing a lot. Sorry about your Toy.

When Sunbeam gets his next haircut, I'll take some pix and share. He plays like a big dog (he thinks he is a big dog), and looks pretty ratty right now. Thanks for the welcome. :)

[Pam]

Originally posted by subwayseries
someone's always making fun of one in a movie or TV, but we know they're great :D[quote]

That's for sure! ;) :cool:

[quote]When Sunbeam gets his next haircut, I'll take some pix and share.

I'll be looking forward to that! I didn't notice your name until Rachel pointed it out. It is great to have another male voice here at PT and a male who loves poodles - well that's just wonderful!!! There are probably a lot of ,male "closet poodle lovers" out there, though my hubby is also a poodle lover and proud of it! :)
PS: I love the name Sunbeam! :)

[subwayseries]

Hi Rachel, and thanks for the welcome.

This is a fun place to stop everyday. I've noticed that us guys are in the minority, but that's OK. I run a series of Sports message boards and there are only a dozen female regs there. This site balances it out, lol. Also, in order to save time typing, I'll have to program keyboard shortcuts for words like cute and adorable. They're used a lot here. :D

If you'd like a small dog that isn't fragile, think about a small terrier breed. They're light enough to carry, yet agile enough to jump up your leg into your arms, if you want to avoid bending too much.

[subwayseries]

Thanks, Pam.

There are a lot of guys who are insecure about their masculinity and have to act macho all the time. I'm 6'2"/ 200#. In 12 years no guy has made fun of me while I'm walking my 5 lb. fluffball. If they did, it's their problem.

I found Sunbeam when he was a pup. He was playing in a Steam Iron box (his owner had suddenly passed away). I was going to put an ad in the paper for someone to adopt him, but he kept staring at me the whole way home. Then he licked my face, and I turned to jelly. I never placed the ad. That was 12 years ago.

[Pam]

Tim, what a beautiful story!! :) I can't wait to see and hear more about Sunbeam! Ripley (little mini in my signature) was a shelter dog. I was at the shelter one day with my daughter who was turning in some paperwork on a cat she had adopted. We decided to just walk through the kennel and visit the pupsters in need of homes. Who did I spy but Ripley! He was a matted mess of a doggie and I literally had to lift up about 4 inches of hair just to see his face. Once I looked into those eyes and saw the sweetness underneath I was hooked. I sat on the floor and waited to see what he would do. He very cautiously walked over and sat right in my lap. That sealed the deal! Soooo, I can well understand the magic that Sunbeam worked on you! What a happy ending for you both! :)

[Twisterdog]

Hi, subwayseries, welcome to PetTalk! We'll try not to drown you in a sea of estrogen. ;)



Originally posted by subwayseries
Every breed has ailments associated with them. Often Toy varieties can be born with additional medical problems if they're born too small, and don't develop properly. I have a Toy Poodle, and his tear ducts never developed, causing him to tear constantly. This is common with a lot of Toy Poodles.

"Teacup" is not a variety. It is a pet store marketing term. Toy Poodles, for instance, are 10" in height (at the shoulder) or less (in the US). The smallest ones are marketed as "teacups". Quite often they are runts. Acquire these dogs with caution. You can easily become attached after 5 minutes, and might face a dog who's not going to make it and/or will cost thousands in vet bills.

I can tell already that you and I are going to get along just fine!
:D



Toy dogs are supposed t olive longer that any other group, because they dont do things such as head sheep, agility....etc. (:

That is 100% false. Small dogs certainly do things like herd sheep, agility, flyball, etc. Small terriers also compete in Earth Dog competitions, which are very competitive. Most terriers were originally bred to be ratters, and small terriers in ratting competitions were known to kill hundreds of large barn rats in minutes. The vast majority of small dogs AND large dogs these days don't do anything but go for a walk around the block and sleep on the couch. Small dogs do live longer than large dogs, but it is certainly not due to the fact that small dogs live a life of luxury and large dogs work hard. I personally knew a poodle that lived to be 21 years old, and my friend's great Dane died from old age at 10. Both were spoiled house dogs.

[subwayseries]

Thanks Twister,

BTW, Do all ten dogs get along together, or do certain dogs buddy up in groups? I don't think I know anyone with 10 dogs all at once. Wow.
:rolleyes:

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by subwayseries
Thanks Twister,

BTW, Do all ten dogs get along together, or do certain dogs buddy up in groups? I don't think I know anyone with 10 dogs all at once. Wow.
:rolleyes:


They do all get along for the most part. Which is pretty remarkable .... especially considering that they are terriers, breeds not exactly known for their loving kindness to other dogs. LOL

I remember reading a study once (can't remember who did it) where they took large groups of dogs, like 20-30, and put them in an enclosure without human intervention, aside from basic care, to see how well different breeds did with each other. I remember that beagles took the prize, getting along fabulously with each other for the entire study. At the other end of the spectrum were fox terriers, whose study had to be discontinued after only a short time, due to the fact that they were trying to kill each other constantly. So, given that, I'd say mine get along great! LOL

They do a lot of barking, growling, posturing and humping ... but rarely is there a knock-down, drag-out fight. I do have to crate one of my Jack Russell terriers if I leave the house, because he tends to be grumpy and petty and start fights, and then inevitably he gets the worst of it.

They are all sleeping around me now. They are sweet, quiet, well-mannered dogs ... when they are asleep. ;)

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[KYS]

posted by subwayseries:There are a lot of guys who are insecure about their masculinity and have to act macho all the time. >>>>>

My husband prefers small dogs.
Little Pepper is his "pride and joy" baby.

Sunbeam certainly melted your heart.
You did not have a chance once he licked
your face 12 yrs. ago. :)

Karen

[coconut]

"Small dogs tend to live longer and it has something to do with blood circulation and the heart, but I'm not quite sure what it is."

I was told by a breeder that all dogs have the same sized hearts. So small dogs hearts don't work as hard so they live longer.

I have no idea if this is true or not.


"Okay i have heard that with toy dogs they have some health problems because theyare so small? can someone fill me in?"

From what I can see they all have something. I have a Bichon and it's the first small dog I've owned. I used to think a lot of things about small dogs like they bite more, they're one person dogs, they're yappy blah blah blah. I don't think any of this anymore.

[MHMama]

Okay to start off with I hate the phrase "toy dogs", they are not toys and this is often forgotten.
I have chihuahuas and they usually live longer than most dogs simply because they are one of the few breeds if not the only one that isn't mixed with anything else. No one sat down and said let me put a dashound with a yorkie to make a chihuahua. This being the case, they have less genetic problems picked up from other breeds. All breeds have something. Hip problems, knee problems etc. Many chi's do have knee problems though.
Smaller chihuahuas do have more problems. The AKA won't allow a chihuahua over 6 pounds to show but actually the ones around 6 pounds or more are usually healthier.
Breeders who advertise "toy size, tiny, or tea cup" are to be avoided if possible. They merely breed for size and do not take into consideration how many problems the smaller ones have. Many "tea cups" do not live a full life. And the idea of a 3 or 4 lb female being breeded is an absolute horror to me.
Ricky is 7 lbs and although not "good enough" to show, I show him all the time to my family and friends. Lucy Tu is a little over 6 lbs and absolutely a doll. Desi Lu is 4 lbs but she is still growing at 7 months. I am hoping she will be at least 6 lbs.
Ricky's litter mate is 14 lbs and I doubt that his family would want to part with him because he isn't small enough.
Love your dog, not his size and remember it isn't the size that matters.

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[subwayseries]

>>Love your dog, not his size and remember it isn't the size that matters.<< (MHMama)

My guy is 5 lbs, and thinks he's 105 lbs, but that's a Poodle for ya. His teeth and tear ducts were never correct enough to "show", but he's a great companion, and that's what counts. :)