Ti is going to a new home tomorrow

[sasvermont]

I just now got off the phone with the original breeder, someone I have learned to distrust, at best. She was horrified about Miley having so many puncture wounds and agreed to take Ti back. At least he will know the people he will be going to and the new home is a to "a friend" of the breeder's....whatever......

The breeder did say that she would give me a little Aby girl kitten in exchange, but that I will believe when I see it. I am not after another kitten, I just want Ti to move on. He had his chance here at Camp Vermont and he blew it!

Tomorrow I should know more of the details as to when we will meet etc. I cannot wait. I will miss Ti Ti, but he has also brought a great deal of heart ache to a household already maxed out with heart ache, having lost Gabe and Grammy Crackers.

I have tears running down my face as I type this. I do care so for Ti, but he is just not meant to be with us here. I suppose Robyn felt the same way about Gabe. I am sure her heart was broken, having to give Gabe away. So Gabe broke two hearts!

CATS! They are our children in many ways!

[Uabassoon]

I'm both so sorry and happy to hear about Ti. I can only imagine how hard this must be for you, I know you love Ti so much. But now Miley will be much happier and she will once again feel safe in her home. Give Ti some head bumpies for me and let him know that he will not only be missed in your home but here at Pet Talk too.

[Prairie Purrs]

You gave Ti every chance, and he'll be going right to a new home where he'll hopefully fit in better and be a sweet happy boy. And Miley girl can start feeling safe again. It really does sound like the best solution, even though it's a hard decision to make. Miley getting bitten would have been the last straw for me, too.

And if the breeder does give you an Aby kitten, Juni would have a playmate.

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

*HUGS*

Ti is going to be o.k.... you have to do what is best for everybody. Sorry it had to end up this way....

now Miley girl can get back to being her old self again...

hugs for you and the kitties:)

[Cataholic]

You made the right, but painful, decision, SAS. You tried, Miley tried, Juni was to be the peacemaker, and I am sure Ti tried, in his own way. Who knows why the animosity was there. You aren't being fair to anyone if Ti stays. What sort of life would it be for any of you? An awful one.

Love to Ti as he starts his new journey, it will bring him peace, too. Hugs to Miley, Juni and you as you re-adjust.

[jenluckenbach]

I feel so relieved for Miley's sake and so heartbroken for yours. Giving up a beloved pet, even under circumstances such as these, is HARD!
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}

[PayItForward]

SAS.

You have been patient beyond anything that is expected when introducing cats. Personally I couldn't have tried as hard as you have and still have remained sane.

May Miley girl quickly bounce back to normal with young Juni Rose and your household return to a peaceful calm place, with ALL doors open.

My only concern, is letting that breeder rehome Ti.

Do you think she'll find him a suitable home, rather than have him PTS or dropped of at the nearest kill shelter ? I don't mean to worry you but from what you said she doesn't seem to be the type to be trusted.

I'm sure you can make sure this new home with a 'friend' exists and is suitable for Ti. Maybe you could deliver him yourself to his new home ? Just to set your mind at rest.

I know Ti Ti has to leave but we all want a suitable furever home for him too.

[Karen]

He's just too pretty, I am sure she will find him a good home.

[catlady1945]

"You gave Ti every chance"

"but he has also brought a great deal of heart ache to a household"

He is a cat, after all, and not able to reason. Perhaps, it would be better to be a single cat household. Hopefully, poor Ti will go to a good home.

[AdoreMyDogs]

I am so very sorry. I know this is difficult for you but you tried your very best to make him a good fit for your house. You did everything possible, it was just not meant to be. Deep down inside I am relieved for Miley. I felt terrible for her, especially when you talked about her resting her sad head in your hand. That just broke my heart so much that I cried :( She will be so greatful for that decision. I wish the gorgeous Ti a wonderful future in his forever home, and I hope Miley can start to feel more at peace. I am sure Ti will find a good home.

Hugs from Leslie and her furgang.

[moosmom]

Sas,

As heartbreaking as the decision is, everyone here is right, you gave Ti every chance in the world. I think you went far beyond what others would have done and are to be commended for your willingness to give Ti the benefit of the doubt. It just was not meant to be. At least the breeder found Ti another home. Maybe now your house and everyone in it can heal from all the trauma Ti has caused. As my Dad always told me, "Nature can be cruel".

((((((((hugs)))))))))

Donna and her fur (and non-fur) kids

[Cincy'sMom]

I'm sorry Ti didn't work out for you.
You have given him his fair share of time and have gone out of your way to try to help he and Miley adjust. It just wasn't meant to be, for your house, but I'm sure he will find the right situation somewhere and maybe there is another cat out there meant for your house, when the time is right.

[kimlovescats]

SAS, you put up with the stress much longer than most people would! You can't feel responsible for what just wasn't intended to be a working relationship! Ti will find a new home where he can rule the roost, and Camp Vermont will once again be housed with "happy campers"! HUGS!

Kim:)

[rg_girlca]

From everything that I had read about this on going problem you were having with Ti, you have made the right decision Sas. You did more than I think any of us would have done to remedy the problem. I give you credit.
I know it breaks your heart to do this, but you have to think about what poor Miley was going through. I hope her wound is healing up nicely.
Now you can sit back and relax with Miley & Juni by your side to comfort you and help you overcome the pain of this heartbreaking,(but right) decision that you had to make.

[sasvermont]

I think the breeder is going to be the one who will best deal with Ti. She knows his personality better than anyone. For me to "guess" why he is this way is putting the next person/owner at risk. I think the breeder should be responsible for him, not me. She is finally taking responsibility. As I mentioned, she was very horrified to hear about Miley and several puncture wounds!

I have his food, toys and bed packed, ready to leave at a moment's notice. I also have his cranberry treats that he loves so much. He is fully vetted now and much more loved than when he came to me. I don't think he was abused, just not up to date on his shots and they didn't give me any food or history on him at all. I think the breeder is not the kind I like to deal with....but that doesn't mean that I have to be that way in return.

I trust his transition into his new home will be near the breeder's home and from what I understand there will be a 10 year old boy at the house for him to play with..... As I mentioned, his favorite toys will go with him too.

I am sure I will cry when he gets transferred, but the damage is done and it must happen that he be rehomed.

Right now Ti is sleeping in the closet where Miley lived for so many weeks. Ironic, eh? He likes it there and of course, her scent is all over the blankets etc.

I know this is the right move, especially after knowing how much damage was done to Miley. Short of having his teeth and claws removed, he will always be a threat to Miley.

I have not heard back from the breeder today. She said she or her son would meet me to pick up Ti.

Thanks for listening and caring!
SAS

[AmberLee]

SAS,

{{{hugs}}}

What a rough situation. Your patience and thoughtfulness are inspiring. Hang in there.

[Vermontcat]

Sas, I hope Ti goes to a good home and that Miley heals quickly.
I know you did all that you could.
I will go answer your PM now.

[Pam]

Now that you have made you decision I feel that I can speak without being afraid to sway you one way or another. Someone said earlier in the other thread that Miley is your link with Graemer and I feel that way too. Although I never met Grammy Crackers either, just knowing that you have precious Miley, the survivor, the one who was able to stay healthy in the midst of the awfulness that claimed the life of Graemer and Gabe, has helped me to cling a little to the past. She is a beautiful sensitive kitty and she has been through so much. She has had a lot of losses in her short life and on top of all of that she has had so much stress with the Ti man these past few months. I am breathing a big sigh of relief tonight. I am so happy for Miley and I am also happy for you. Worrying about which doors are shut and where this cat is and that cat is has to be making you a little crazy. I know I would cave in at much less.

I know you will miss Ti, as will we all. He had become a Pet Talk favorite almost instantly. It was sweet the way he and Juni Rose took to one another but one cannot say with certitude that one day he would not have become aggressive even with Juni as she matured into a bigger girl.

I applaud and commend you for the things that you have tried - the Feliway, the home-made screen door and booking an appointment with a behaviorist. These are things that speak volumes about your devotion and commitment to Ti. I only hope that his next home is as loving as yours.

For now, I look forward to hearing happy stories from Camp Vermont when the sweet little patient returns on Monday. I think she and Juni will make such a precious pair of cuddlebugs, and as Miley feels better and better as each day goes by I bet we see a friendship bud between the two of them. She probably hasn't even been relaxed enough to bond with Juni yet, with always having one ear cocked to listen out for Ti.

Sleep well tonight SAS. You have given it your all and that's all you could do. (((hugs)))

[Christiansmommy]

Sallyanne, i started tearing up when i read that you had his cranberry treats all packed up :( It remined me of packing up Gabe's beer caps :( I know you helped me a GREAT deal in knowing i was doing the right thing in rehoming Gabe (and it was without a doubt the right thing to do...although, so hard). And i just want you to know that i am behind you 100% in rehoming Ti. It will be very hard for you, and i wish i could be there when you have to hand him over...but it is the right thing to do. Gabe had a peaceful life in Vermont and my home life (though we missed him so much, was better off with him living elsewhere). The irony of it all. Anyway, Ti will be loved i am sure...maybe you can gets updates on him occasionally. I wish i could give you a real life hug...but i guess a cyber hug will have to do...go give Miley and Juni big hugs after all is said and done...they will comfort you, i am sure :) Pm or email me if you need to...

I am sorry that he has to go, but I feel good in knowing that your house will be peaceful again :)

((((HUGS))))) Sallyanne!

Robyn

[lailamara]

SAS you've been in an impossible situation and have done the only thing you could that would be best for everyone. Retraining could take months with no guarantee of sucess and it would be too much for poor Miley and you. Now, Miley will come home and be able to relax and recover. Juni will transfer all her affection and energy to her. After Ti , Juni will be comic relief for her. Ti will have a new home and he sounds as if being an only cat with lots of attention would be best for him. I know you will miss him but it's all for the best. It's time for happy days at Camp Vermont.

[shais_mom]

I am so sorry for you, I know your weary heart is breaking. But you are right that sweet little Miley girl, your link to Graemer and Gabe, is the first priority. I am so glad that she will be safe and have little Juni Rose for company.
The attack on Miely would have been my ball breaker also.
:(
You are in my thoughts and prayers

[Barbara]

I am kind of relieved to hear this. Feeling the stress on you and on Miley the last weeks really gave us a hard time. I would not have been able to pull through as you did. I am also shocked to hear that Ti really really wanted to hurt Miley -this was not rough playing anymore. I would not have believed that agressions between neutered cats of different sex could go that far:(

My thoughts go out to poor Ti who is not responsible for his behavior. I hope he finds a good home in which he is loved and can show the friendly side of his purrsonality.

And I hope that Miley when she comes home tomorrow will start a new life with Juni -it is wonderful that under these circumstances she even started to bond with her. Give Miley girl and Juni Rose lots of nosekissies and headbumpies from us her. Especially Filou sends hugs and licks virtually Miley's ears:)

[sasvermont]

I slept nicely last night, knowing that this situation should be ending today.

Ti has been spending his free time looking for Miley - going to all of her favorite hiding spots - looking for her! He must have a love/hate relationship with her. Very strange and VERY non-Camp Vermontish.

I still do not know what time the meeting with Ti's former owner will be, but will call again later today if I haven't heard from her.

I want this SO far behind me....... This has been dragging on way, way too long for it to be comfortable at my house.

[BastetsMum]

I am so glad you came to a decision Sas. Its the best for you as well as Miley and Juni. Please give Ti a hug for me and now I might go tobed and have a cry for you all.

[Rachel]

SAS, I commend you for making an extremely difficult decision. In a perfect world things would have worked out differently, but Lord knows, that isn't what we are dealt. You certainly were committed to being Ti's savior, but unfortunately there was no way for you to work miracles in this situation. Frankly, I don't think the behaviorist would have had any miracles in her bag either.

The solution of rehoming Ti is not what you wanted for him, but compared to what Miley was enduring, I think his transition will be a piece of cake. We all wish the very best for Ti, and given half a change in the right situation, he will thrive.

Now both you and Miley will be able to heal as well. I think that Juni can work wonders in this area. The other task was a bit much to expect from the little scamp.

It has been very painful to read the series of events at Camp Vermont, so I can't even imagine the stress of living through them. For some reason, my non-cat-owning self has fallen madly in love with Miley, and my heart has ached for her. What a treat for her to come home from the clinic to a Ti-free home.

Please keep us aprised of the details of her homecoming and
the reclaiming of her life so we can experience the joy that I know you will feel seeing her be a happy kitty once again.

Wishing there would be an icon for happy tears...
Rachel

[sasvermont]

When I left Miley on Saturday, they had shaved her left hind quarters and since they found more puncture wounds, I suspect she will have many more shaved spots. It will break my heart to see her, I just know it. The wounds should be 1/2 healed when I pick her up, as they are usually completely healed within 2-5 days after treatment for infection. Of course I will need to keep the wounds clean and continue meds.

I am going to call the breeder as soon as I finish here, to set up the time for Ti to be returned.

Last night I hugged Ti Ti and gave him lots of love and cuddles. He cooked his own goose. I have tears in my eyes right now, just thinking about giving him back. Oh well. He looks healthy and is happy (and still looking for Miley)...... He will be fine after a few days of adjustment.

Thanks for all of your kind words.

Love,
SAS

[sasvermont]

I just spoke with the breeder - the distrustful one. Well, she cannot do the pickup or meet with me today, but will on Tuesday after work. She is such a liar. So this trade is put off until Tuesday.

Tomorrow I will pick up Miley. The vet called a few moments ago to say that Miley is doing nicely and not in any danger. She is looking good, quite vocal and eating. They are giving her fluids as well as medications IV. So I am still scheduled to pick her up tomorrow morning.

I will keep Ti on the porch until Tuesday. It is a nice porch so he shouldn't feel so sad about it. He's been there before.

I was hoping that Miley would never have to hear his voice again.

So, true to form, the original bengal breeder is still not telling me the truth. She reminds me of a used car sales person. She says what she thinks you would like to hear, not what she intends to do, or what she is truly presenting.

By the way, this breeder's name is Karen Vance and she claims to live in Altona, NY but really lives outside of Montreal. Another misrepresentation. She breeds Abys and Bengals. At least that is what she says she does. I wonder. When all settles, I intend to write a nasty letter to the different associations she belongs to.....

So Tuesday is the day.

SAS

[Barbara]

That's really bad news - we hope for the last time. When you think it is over it is much harder to take it for some more days. But come here as often as you can. We are ready to help and wish we could do more for you:)

Glad to hear Miley is feeling better and adjusts fine at being at the vet's. She's a tough little girl. I would love to have a heart icon-then I would send dozens to both of you:)

[zippy-kat]

SAS,

I have happy and sad tears flowing. It has been so hard on Miley and Ti has had every chance in the world. I'm thankful that Miley will now be able to begin the healing phase. What a strong, sweet, resilient girl she must be. From Gabe and Grammy Crackers to tyrant Ti... Please give her a big, big, big hug as soon as she is well enough.

You are handling this situation with the breeder far better/nicer than I would. (One of my pet peeves: people never coming through on their word.) I'm afraid, I'd have had some choice words for her when she told me "not today." But that won't remedy the situation.

You said, "Ti cooked his own goose," I fully believe that now it's time for the breeder to cook her's. I would most definitely write to the Association(s)... to ANYONE I could possibly think of... and warn them. In one way, I don't think she knows the extent of the situation... in another, I think she knows it fully well and doesn't want it back into her household. I guess we'll never really know.

SAS, you are an inspiration and delight to us all. What lengths you have gone to and what inner-strength you have... I'm amazed and warmed. You are one of the best catmom's out there.

{{hugs}}

[emily_the_spoiled]

SAS,

I am sorry to read that you are giving Ti back. I know that you worked hard to make a home where everyone could live in peace.

Regarding the breeder ... if she lives in Canada please notify the Better Business Bureau and the local Chamber of Commerce to tell them of your experience. If you were very "ticked" you might consider contact Agriculture Canada which controls the selling of animals...

[PayItForward]

Originally posted by sasvermont
I just spoke with the breeder - the distrustful one. Well, she cannot do the pickup or meet with me today, but will on Tuesday after work. She is such a liar. So this trade is put off until Tuesday............
................So, true to form, the original bengal breeder is still not telling me the truth. She reminds me of a used car sales person. She says what she thinks you would like to hear, not what she intends to do, or what she is truly presenting.
SAS, Is there no way that you or the NICE breeder you spoke of rehome Ti, I just think this lady is BAD news. :(

Maybe an advert at the vets/local shelter might get him a nice home before Tuesday ???

If this lady is so deceitful, she doesn't deserve to rehome Ti but I understand you need to get Ti out of your house asap for sweet Miley's sake.

PS. England has a specific Bengal rescue centres, there must be a similar thing in America which will take him straight away ?!?

[carole]

I was thinking the same thing as your payitforward, If the breeder is so untrustworthy, SAS can you trust her to get Ti a decent home. Just a thought.
I know this is a very hard decision for you, so I do not want to add to it, but was a little concerned about what you are saying about this women.
Just wishing you all the best, and that Ti is re-homed soon, and all work's out well.

[sasvermont]

I know that I am at the end of my rope. I can only assume that the new home this lady has ready for Ti is a good one. Ti is such an odd fellow that I hesitate trying to find a home for him myself. If it falls through on Tuesday, then Ti will be re-homed by me, for sure. I cannot keep tolerating Ti preying on Miley, so he will have to go soon.

As far as a Bengal rescue group, I have emailed two different people in rescue groups and have no response.

I am so confused right now. I know what you mean about not trusting her to place Ti in a good home. I just don't feel anymore qualified though. I have not a clue as to how he was treated when he was a kitten etc., only how he has been the past few months.

Hey, I think I am going to call the good Bengal breeder tonight.

I HAVE TO GET TI OUT OF HERE. I DO. HE HAS GOT TO LEAVE THIS HOUSE AND SOON!

I bet the vet bill for Miley is at least $400 or $500. I cannot keep this up! I know, no one is asking me to....just suggesting I place him myself.

Who would want a cat like Ti?

Back to the drawing board.

[Pam]

SAS, I am speaking for Robyn so I probably shouldn't even say this, but she always thought "who would want a cat like Gabe?" and then you walked into his life. Somewhere out there is a home for Ti. The problem is in finding the right one. Do you still volunteer at the shelter? I am thinking that maybe you might take Ti in there and just let him hang his hat there for a few days until you yourself find him a suitable home. That way Miley wouldn't have to come home and find him still there and you could take your time re-homing him. Just a thought.....

[jenluckenbach]

I am with SAS on this one. If she tries to rehome Ti herself, and it does not work, then SAS would be the one responsible for taking Ti back again (NOT an option).

[Vermontcat]

Sas, I have been thinking about you all day.
I had a feeling that Ti's breeder might not show up today.
I seem to recall it was the same way when you got Ti that she originally said Sunday you could get him but then put it off until Tuesday so you had to take time off from work.:(

What worries me is that Ti will still be at your house on Monday night when Miley gets back from the vets.
Have you asked any of your neighbors or friends if they could just put up Ti for the one night?
I can check with a couple of my friends to see if they could help temporarily at least.
Please let me know if you do end up needing to rehome Ti yourself, then I will dig up more contacts who should be able to help you. Hang in there!

[sasvermont]

I have the porch closed off now, windows closed and the door does lock! Ti can survive on the porch.

I would love for someone to rescue me from this situation. As Pam said, who would want a cat like Ti? My problem is that I don't want Ti back, but still love him. I guess I am in the same place that Robyn was in..... It is so difficult.

I will call the other breeder tonight. I tried earlier and her line was busy.

I know Karen Pet Talk has someone who is interested but not in a situation to take Ti right now. I cannot hold on much longer. I feel so responsible yet so out of control of this situation and I am sinking quickly. I am also getting confused.

Right now Ti is being very sweet - Miley is out of the picture...but tomorrow is right around the corner.

I usually make a decision and stick with it....and live with it....which is what has gotten me in such trouble with Ti. I should have researched the breeder before I went to her.

Anyway, here's my plan now. I will try to reach the nice bengal breeder and see if she has any better ideas or homes. I will stick with the plan for Tuesday, unless I can come up with a better idea before then. You have to realize that the bad breeder does not really want Ti and would be happy not to have to take him back.

Any takers? Who wants a Bengal kitty? I will even throw in the scratching post, walking gear, food, toys, bed...... I will drop him off.... (nothing in Europe, my car does not float....)

Maybe I should have offered him up before now. I thought I did, but maybe I didn't do it so obviously.

No, I am not drinking, I am just confused right now. I do love Ti Ti but he has to go. Robyn has been there and done that....she knows how I feel, I am sure.

SAS

[lizbud]

Sas,

I think any reasonable person who has heard of the episodes
of Camp Vermont would support & agree with re-homing Ti. I
think(strange as it sounds) that Ti has also been stressed by
all this fighting with Miley. You will be doing him a great service
by letting him move on. Your breeder sounds like an very unethical
woman. You're probably right that she knew of Ti's temperment
well before she sold him to you. Ti would make a great only cat.
I hope that Vermont cat (being closer to you) is able to come up
with alternative housing for Ti quickly. Miley deserves a quiet
homecoming and you dear lady need some peace & quiet with
NO added stress.... {{{{Hugs}}}}

[sasvermont]

Well, I just got off the phone with the nice (retired) bengal breeder who lives in VT. She said NOT to give Ti back to the original breeder. I had emailed her (the nice breeder) earlier last week, and she didn't get back to me. She said she hasn't opened her email for days! She asked me to hang on, get tranquilizers from the vet for Ti and then she will contact current bengal owners and offer him out that way. That also means that I will have him around for a while longer. I will ask the vet tomorrow - if he will give me some cream amitripeline (sp) for his ear to keep him quiet until and while he is being placed.

I will call the not so great breeder tomorrow and cancel Ti's return to her. Everyone who said I was wrong for trying to return him, was right. What was I thinking? If you saw Miley at the vet's you would know that I have reached my limit and any way to get Ti out of here sounded good to me. Re-thinking it, Ti needs to go to a good home, one that I know will work for him.

I was so very frank with the nice breeder, insisting that Ti has to leave here....no room for movement on that issue. She said it is not uncommon for Bengals to hunt out/down weaker cats and try to harm them. She said the original breeder didn't do me any favors by giving me an aggressive cat with a cat like Miley. Oh well, I knew that.

So, Tuesday is off. It may take a couple of weeks to get him placed! Yikes.

SAS

[Vermontcat]

Sas, I am so glad that the nice Bengal breeder has gotten back to you to help find Ti a good home. I will send you a PM in a minute.:)

[aly]

You don't have any friends who don't have cats who could care for him until he is placed, do you?

I hope he gets a new forever home ASAP. The boy deserves a wonderful life and I am glad I will no longer have to worry about him going to that awful woman, blech.

[Cincy'sMom]

I'm glad you have found a more responsible person to help you. I can understand you wanting to change the situation quickly, but also would doubt anything the orignal breeder told you. While it may be more stressful for awhile (and hopefully not too long) the end IS in sight. Hang in there!

Does your vet or any one inthe area board at a resonable price? If things are too stressful for the remaining time would it be possible to take him somewhere? I know you want to do right by Ti, but not at the risk of hurting your other babies. What an awful situation to be in.

[Vermontcat]

http://users.adelphia.net/~mandzsawyer/images/ti.jpg
I am posting this photo I took of Ti last month when I went to visit Sas so you can all see what a sweet boy he can be.:)

I sent a PM to Sas but she is not online now.
I found a couple of phone numbers for her of people who recently were looking to rehome a Bengal cat and a Chausie Leopard cat in our area.
I am also trying to find someone who could take Ti temporarily until she could find a permanent home for him.

[aly]

Originally posted by Vermontcat


I sent a PM to Sas but she is not online now.
I found a couple of phone numbers for her of people who recently were looking to rehome a Bengal cat and a Chausie Leopard cat in our area.
I am also trying to find someone who could take Ti temporarily until she could find a permanent home for him.

Great work! I'm sure she'll appreciate your help! :)

[Steffi N]

I only want to add my wishes that Ti find a good new home and that things are soon happy again at Camp Vermont.

[Christiansmommy]

Sas, you sound just like i did a year and a month ago. Getting off the phone with you (around this time last year), made me feel confindent about my decision in rehoming Gabe. The nice bengal breeder is like how you were to me in my dilema with Gabe...she is your last and final hope (and a postive one that you will feel good about...a breath of fresh air). So you can finally find Ti a good home, like i was so very lucky in doing for Gabe.

I know you are stressed...like you said, i have been there. You will feel so much better after you have handed him off to a good person. I hope you are as lucky as i was...it sounds like you will be....this breeder sounds great...just like you were to me, so willing to help someone in such need, like a said...the breath of fresh air that i needed...i am glad you got in touch with her.

You deserve for this to be all over, so i will pray that a nice home is in the making.

Please keep us updated...i wish i was closer, so i could be of some help...cyber hugs, once again :)

Robyn


I just wanted to add, if it wasnt for you, Gabe would have probably ended up at a no-kill shelter (and lived there for the rest of his life), i was at my wits end...so you need no reason to explain why you were thinking about sending him to the mean breeder lady...its a tough situation that you just needed a way to end...so you could go on with your life peacefully. We understand and are here for you!!!

[BastetsMum]

I wish I was in your area. I would take Ti straight away but living in Australia its a little hard to do.

He looks a real sweety and I am sure Bastet would give him a run for his money.

Best of luck Sas, you are definately doing the right thing.

HUGS

[Barbara]

When some days ago people suggested you should re-home Miley I found myself thinking of flying over and get her:) (Yes I am crazy). I knew however that you would not let her go. (I wouldn't have let her go either).

However with Ti there is nothing like that I could offer as Filou is similar to Miley -his character may be between Miley and Graemer but a little closer to Miley.

I am glad however that the nice breeder will help you. I am sure Ti can find a good place and many people are crazy about Bengals so I am sure there is love and fun for him out there.

I can imagine how stressed you feel. I hope we all here can help you stand it a little longer:)

Kissies to sweet Miley and to you :)

[Vio&Juni]

SAS, I am glad you re-considered your idea to give TiTi to the original breeder. She doesn't sound trustworthy to me. TiTi is such a cutie and I would have loved to have him if I lived closer. I hope you and the nice breeder will find a more appropriate home for him, knowing his problems.

[sasvermont]

I had a good night's sleep. That is good! Ti slept somewhere other than my bed and little Juni (the itch) slept right next to me. She really is a little sweetheart. Full of energy, sweet as honey and so darn cute! She is a fierce little thing, but not mean. She does not play FOR KEEPS. Ti does.

Ti is on the porch right now and believe me, it is nice to get put there rather than a room. The porch is 40 feet long and 8 feet wide with all the accomodations of a hotel for cats! He will have to stay there until he leaves. I even have a TV out there and watch the news each night......while reading my mail etc. I don't think I will put Juni with him, not knowing what he is capable of at this point.

Since Ti's nasty treatment of Miley, I have been watching how he plays with Juni. He traps her every now and then and mounts her, not sexually, but covers her completely. She is so tiny and wirey that she wiggles out from under him....but I wonder as she gets older, if she will be so agile. Thus, I will not leave her alone with Ti. Sad, but true.

I just know that once I see Miley in a couple of hours, I will be so convinced that giving Ti a new home is the right thing to do.

Do I feel ok with keeping him a while longer? Yes, its ok. You know, I have been through so much with him that adding a couple of weeks to the ordeal will be ok, knowing that he will have a really good chance of finding a good home this time. I really, really like the nice and oh so good VT, retired, bengal breeder, Tamara. ....I was hoping she would have gotten back to me sooner this week. I mentioned that I could deal with the prospective new homes myself and she insisted that she handle it! She is so nice and so loves the Bengal breed. She said one of the reason she got out of the business was that too many breeders were in it for the money only and not careful enough for her. She said she usually "petted out" most of her litters, as she couldn't consider them more than pets to be loved even though many were show quality.

So here I am, with the same three silly cats I have had since Juni arrived! I guess I will have to set a deadline for closure on this situation.

Off to the shower to get ready to pick up Ms. Miley. I have Ti locked on the porch. There is no way he can get in the house. I will lock the door to Miley's room as well, in case Ti breaks through a window to get in. I just doubt that, but you never know about Ti!

Thanks for all of your wonderful words and thoughts. I can handle this, it sounds much worse than it really is..... I usually spend my time "getting things done and over with" and this situation keeps dragging on and on! Yikes.

Thank you Bastests Mom and Barbara, for considering such kind acts from such a distance away!

And thank you Vermontcat for being such a good support system so close to home.

And thank you Robyn, sweet mom to everyone, for your thoughts and prayers. . And Pam, thank you too, your words of support have been good....

And Aly and Jen and everyone, thank you.

I promise this will have a happy ending.

COME ON ENDING!

[shais_mom]

I think Ti would do well in a home as an only cat or with a medium size/large breed- cat- friendly dog, that he can roughhouse with.
Keep your chin up! There is a light at the end of the tunnel!

[sasvermont]

Well, the vet was very happy with her improvement and so am I.

She will need to go back to the vet on Wed. to have the drains removed. She will be fine and we are hoping that she will not have any nerve damage.

Got to get some work done here.

Later!

[HayleyRosie]

I sure this will have a happy ending. It's good to hear that Miley is doing okay. I'm really sorry I must have missed a lot. Did Ti bite Miley?

[Barbara]

Rose if you go at the end of the old thread you'll see what happened to Miley....

Sas: great that she's back. I am checking later:)

[ramanth]

Gracious.... what an ordeal. :(

I'm glad that the NICE breeder is going to help find a home for Ti.

Give kisses to Miley girl. She's such a strong one. :)

[rosethecopycat]

Originally posted by Barbara
Rose if you go at the end of the old thread you'll see what happened to Miley....

Sas: great that she's back. I am checking later:)



What's this thread called?

I had no idea Miley was injured. :(


I'm glad you're doing the right thing SAS.

[Barbara]

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30462

This is the thread -it's p 4 and 5 mainly.

[catland]

You are doing the right thing for Miley. Its interesting to read how Bengals can be as little as four generations away from having a wild ancestor. This explains a lot. It sounds like Ti was just trying to run Miley off of his territory - but as a house cat, she had no where to go. :( Also, we've been domesticating our feline friends for hundreds, if not thousands of generations. Its no wonder that one that is just a handful of generations from the wild would be so aggressive.

Finally, if this really settles the matter - how long until Ti would have turned on Juni? He sounds like a great cat - but not one for you or your Aby girls. Since his breeder sounds so flaky, I'm guessing that he probably didn't get the required extra-socialization that a bengal kitten would require to be a better pet.
Sounds like the best situation for him would be as an only cat or as a cat with a bengal "brother" or "sister".

I hope that he finds his right forever home and that you find peace for you, Miley, and Juni.

[Randi]

Sas, you have made the right decision in my opinion - you can't risk any more injuries on Miley girl! She has been so brave. I wish she could come back to a Ti free house, but she'll soon realize that he's staying on the porch and hopefully be able to relax. :)

I'm glad to hear that the nice breeder is working on finding Ti the right home, the one you got him from is no good news!! :mad:

I know this has been very hard on you, but I hope you can see the light in the end of the tunnel. :)

Kisses to Miley girl - I hope she'll recover from her wounds quickly!

Best of luck!!!

[Vermontcat]

I just sent Sas a PM about finding someone in my area who may be able to help
and I sent her a link to a Bengal breeder in NH since I couldn't find any listed in Vermont.
You may all like to look at the NH breeder's website, some cute kitten photos there and it sounds like a nice place.:)
www.klassikbengals.com

[aguu]

Sas;
I've quietly followed your "story" and I read this post this morning. I really have no word of wisdom or advice. I just wanted to tell you that I have been thinking about you all day today. I can only imagine how you must feel. Your poor, poor Miley - how scared she must have been and how it must have broken your heart to learn of her punctures. I think you must be an amazing lady for having endured this after everything you went thorough with Gabe and Graemer. I know that you love Ti and you'll miss him but he will be a happy kitty in his new home. You are definitely making the right- and only choice!!!

[carole]

I am really pleased to hear you have re-considered giving Ti back to the original breeder, she just sounds like so bad news.

I can really empathize with your situation, although not in the same, my Ash is a very temperamental cat, he is hard to love sometimes, but I still do, he does not like Lexie, but tolerates her, so I do not have that problem, he will give her a whack now and then to keep her in line and let her know who is boss, but if it ever came to it that he was treating her like Ti did with Miley, I would want to re-home him too, but I often comment no-one else would put up with a cantankerous cat like Ash.

I really hope this all works out, when Ti is re-homed, your household will be much happier, he sounds like a cat who needs to be the ONLY ONE , I must say he is rather beautiful, looks are deceiving eh .

Good luck and I wish you a happy outcome.:)

[PayItForward]

SAS, I am so relieved that the NICE breeder will be rehoming Ti.

It must have been a difficult decision for you, as you'll have to hold on to Ti for a few days longer but I really free that you made the right choice to not let Ti go back to that distrustful woman.

Hopeing Miley gets well soon and bonds with Juni Rose properly without worring about Ti attentions.

May Ti get a nice furever home shortly, he deserves to have a suitable only cat home.

May you keep your great sense of humour and love those kitties (two happy campers at camp Vermont)

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Oh SAS, I'm so sorry it has come to this, but it is the right decision. I, like most everyone else here, admire you for your persitence in trying and making it work out, and we all know this was a very tough decision, but it had to be made for the good of all.

Hopefully some of the options that VermontCat has found, or that the "nice" breeder have will pan out soon, so peace can reign once again at Camp Vermont.

{{{hugs}}} to you and Miley girl for all you've been through, and if you can, hugs to that little "itch" of yours for providing some relief from all the tension. ;)

[sasvermont]

My stomach is doing flips. I am happy that she has not tried to remove the tubing, but it does look darn awful. Not painful, just goofy. I had to take Juni from the area because I was afraid she would try to tug on the tubes. The tubes will be removed Wed. morning and they need to stay to drain the junk from under her skin.

Tonight I will have to wash the one site and then put some cream on the areas near the tubes. Ugh. I should have some dinner first..... oh my stomach.... I know why I don't work with animals...I don't have what it takes.

Let me go tend to my dinner, then I must tackle Miley and pill her, etc. etc.

I will let everyone know when I hear from the good breeder.

Love,
SAS

[sasvermont]

Here is what poor Miley girl looks like - the tube runs through the back side of the same leg. She doesn't seem to mind it. I have pilled her, cleaned the site and have the cream to put on it later tonight. Then twice tomorrow for ten TEN, YES TEN days. I suppose Naomi has it much worse than I do, but still. It is so yucky to look at and touch. Oh well.

[lailamara]

Oh poor, poor Miley. Can she hear Ti ? How is he handling banishment ? And little Juni Rose how is she reacting to all this. Hoping that nice breeder arranges something soon. What did the bad breeder say when you told her to forget about rehoming Ti ? I am so eager for all your trials to end so you can relax with the girls and know that Ti is happy in a new home.

[TheAntiPam]

Sometimes love just stinks. Deciding is very difficult and waiting for the resolution is even worse. :mad: :confused: :mad:

You are in my thoughts and prayers for health and peace to once again reign at Camp Vermont!

[sasvermont]

Ti is on the porch and we cannot hear or see him. I had the TV and fans running all day...and now, so if he is howling we cannot hear him. When I got home from work, I did let Ti roam the house for a couple of hours while Miley was in the computer room, behind two locked doors with the AC on.....he was happy with that and then wandered back out onto the porch. I shut the door and he is out there for the night.

Miley is sleeping on the bed, having survived the cream, pills and cleaning. She was sleeping on my chest for awhile. She is so happy to be home and safe.

Juni is Juni. She is playing by herself, with furry mice. Tossing them into the air and then getting them back......on and off the bed.....She hasn't tuned in to Miley's tubes and that is good.

The nice breeder said she will call tomorrow night at the latest.

The not so nice breeder was happy to hear that I was going to handle Ti. She also told me that Ti spent most of his time growing up, in her son's bedroom. What is with that? Why keep a kitten locked in a bedroom? She has told me so many stories that I don't know which one(s) to believe. She also told me that Ti was in her bedroom as an older kitten and Ti was with a female that was worse than Ti. That explains a lot. It seems that the owners/breeders never tried to curb Ti's behavior...just let him get away with being mean when he wanted to be that way.

Ti is adjusting to the porch. It really is nice out there - cool, sunny in the day time.

I let Juni have the middle part of the house today, by herself. She was fine when I got home.

All is quiet here at Camp Vermont. Tomorrow is a new day.

Love,
SAS

[NotSoFluffy]

I have been lurking here for quite a while, in fact, I remember your loss of Gabe and Graemer sadly. I have read of your troubles with Ti since you got him as well as the stories of Miley's fear.

I remember when you would describe Miley with not so nice terms because she did not want to play or have anything to do with Ti. Now, I see the same not so nice words about Ti. It seems clear to me that Ti is a dominant cat (which Bengals can be) and simply scares Miley. In some situations, certain cats will not get along with each other, but they're just being cats. The Bengal breed is crossed with the Asian Leopard Cat with some outcrossing of the African Wildcat by some breeders (both wild cats, thus making the Bengal a "hybrid" breed), which makes it a naturally more agressive breed. The Abby is a very small and curious breed, but is also a more soft-hearted and sensitive breed of cat. Also, since Miley was the first cat in residence (meaning, she was there before both Ti and Juni), her needs should be the most prominent. At the first sign of aggression by Ti against Miley, I really would have wondered about my decision. Why did I adopt Ti?
Unfortunately, when you are dealing with distinct breeds, "a cat is a cat is a cat" does not apply. The Abby and Bengal are completely opposite breeds and frankly, I am not surprised that Ti scares Miley so much.
Also, Miley (and you sasvermont) has been through a lot, with the loss of her sibling Graemer and newer "sibling" Gabe has no doubt taken a toll on her emotionally. The addition of this dominant breed of cat is very hard on her because of what she has been through. It is not surprising, however, that she gets along with Juni, who was younger and of the same breed.

In my opinion it would have been a good idea to talk with a different breeder at the first sight of Miley's terror. I also wonder why research wasn't done on the Bengal breed as well as this breeder you seem to hate so much. (Although I am now glad you found a good one.) I do think it is the best idea to rehome Ti. I really hope that if you decide on getting another cat, you would consider going to the shelter and getting something that would be more cohesive with your established family. "Purebreeds", doesn't necessarily mean "best". Honestly, most "breeders" really aren't ethical, no matter how much you research. I really am not trying to be rude, but after watching this situation unfold I have to finally put in my two cents as a registered user.

[Barbara]

Oh my poor poor Miley girl. Enjoy cuddling with your meowmie a little -it is very good for both of you.

Little Juni, in a while you will have fun with your grown-up sister. It's so cute that you don't bother her right now and play with your fur mousies.

Dear Ti, I am sure that a good home is waiting for you.

Sallyanne, after this time (believe it or not: there will be an after:) ) maybe you can treat yourself to a day in a spa or so:)

[sasvermont]

Dear Notsofluffy: The Bengal breed is not known for being vicious any more than a Pit Bull dog. I do believe this cat was not socialized properly. I think my major league error was not finding a good breeder. She lied and I didn't find out until after I had Ti.

I never thought Ti would really hurt Miley and once he did I acted quickly.

Miley does have a funny little personality - one that isn't so endearing when it comes to change. Her brother was the opposite. I did the best I could do with the situation.

Your comments are not unwelcomed, but I wonder why you know so much about the two breeds? Did you know that Bengal breeders consider Abys and Bengal good matches for house mates? Did you know that Bengal breeders outbreed to Abys?

Please do not hesitate to post again, just because I have responded..... I welcome your comments and advice. I just want to know your sources of information. If I find the sources to be valid, then maybe I will rethink the Bengal/Aby thing....and learn something.

Today Miley is in good spirits....sitting in air conditioning, healing. She goes in tomorrow for the removal of the tubes. She isn't enjoying being pilled each day, but what the heck!

Juni played with Ti this AM and then they all were put in the seperate sections. Such is life at Camp Vermont until Ti finds a new home, hopefully with a dominant Bengal kitty to keep Ti in line!

SAS

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

I have been thinking about your situation a lot. I have thankfully never had to make a decision like this, only having one cat. I really admire your strength in doing whatever you can to sort out a really bad situation. I hope things work out for Ti, and the other cats (and yourself) can settle down and get back to normal.

Sending special skritchies for Miley:)

[Vermontcat]

Sas, I just found a thread by NotSoFluffy in General where she talks about her 8 cats including 3 rescued Bengals.
I posted there hoping that she has a link to the Bengal Rescue because I have not been able to find one for you.:)

I am glad to hear that things are pretty quiet at Camp Vermont this morning.
I will make a couple more calls for you today and let you know if I come up with anything new.:)

[ScantyNebula]

I just read this ... I'm so sorry things turned out this way sas :(

Good luck with everything .. I hope Ti will be happy in his new home ;)

[sasvermont]

I appreciate your time and efforts.

Tonight I hope to hear from Tamara, the retired bengal breeder from VT, the nice breeder.

I, too, tried the Bengal rescue sites and didn't get far into them before being bumped out because their site wasn't working.

I think that Tamara will be my link to Ti finding a good home. I am willing to work with Ti and Tamara until this boy finds the right home. I would love to find a home not too far from where I live, so I could visit him from time to time.

I sense a bit of ill feelings with Notsofluffy and his/her comment about the fact that I didn't get my cat at a pound or through a rescue. I have no comment other than it was my choice. Would I do it again, and get a cat from a breeder, yes. Would I get a cat from the pound/rescue, yes.

Off to my busy day.

SAS

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Oh poor Miley! Your tube doesn't look like it's much fun at all, but I'm glad to hear you're not too bothered by it. And SAS, I can relate to your stomach flips over it. Guess that's why I'm not a nurse or anything. ;)

I'm glad Miley is home and doing so well. I really don't know of many cats that actually like being pilled, so Miley is just being a typical cat in that respect. ;) :rolleyes:

Good luck with finding Ti a new home. I hope something shows up soon - for all your sakes. Although I have to admit, the porch is as big as our motorhome, and Terry and I have no problem spending long periods of time in the motorhome, so Ti shouldn't have any problem at all being on the porch. Sounds rather nice actually. ;) :)

[luckies4me]

Perhaps you could post a picture of Ti on my "Bengals and Buddies Exotic Animal Rescue" site? My rescues get adopted out pretty fast, and a good picture and story never hurts. We have adopters from all over the US and Canada. Today we are taking in a chinchilla with a neurological disorder/brain damage.

I am redoing my site and it should be finished within two days....I just have to finish moving pages over to the other space. My Bengal brood will be helping me spruce up the site with their gorgous faces, hehe. :p We actually have some rescued ratties available for adoption after quarantine if anyone is interested lol.


If you are interested in submitting him to the site let me know. We thoroughly screen adopters, check houses or at least verify with neighbors/personal contacts etc. :)

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by NotSoFluffy


I remember when you would describe Miley with not so nice terms because she did not want to play or have anything to do with Ti. Now, I see the same not so nice words about Ti. It seems clear to me that Ti is a dominant cat (which Bengals can be) and simply scares Miley. In some situations, certain cats will not get along with each other, but they're just being cats. The Bengal breed is crossed with the Asian Leopard Cat with some outcrossing of the African Wildcat by some breeders (both wild cats, thus making the Bengal a "hybrid" breed), which makes it a naturally more agressive breed.


Please do more research on Bengal cats before posting something like this. As a retired Bengal breeder and now a Bengal rescuer and owning four Bengal cats of my own, I know the breed very well. Yes the Bengal breed is a result of crossing the Asian Leopard cat with a domestic cat, usually an Ocicat, but they are now domestic and have been removed from the "hybrid" line from several generations. Unless the Bengal was an F2, F3 or even F4 there should be no issues with agressiveness.

My cats are the best, lickiest, dog like cats around. They love the water, cuddle with my son and enjoy spending time with my other furries which includes other mixed breed rescues, my rats, and cuddle with my son all the time. I could never ask for a better cat, and having them be beautiful makes them ever so more fantastic!


As far as being agressive that is just a load of $@#%, because that is so not true! I have never had a problem with socialized animals being agressive. I believe that Ti acts this way because he simply was raised in a cattery, probably in a cage and not socialized with other animals as well, or people for that matter.

SAS is doing her very best to give Ti the life he so desires, and she has done nothing wrong. She is trying to find him a nice caring home and I am sure that is her top priority right now. I don't believe she anticipated Ti to act this way, or Miley too for that matter. They just simply do not get along. She is not going to keep him in her home because injuries occur. She has done her very best to keep him there, and tried to get them to get alone. It's not working out, period. The next best thing was for her to place him, which she is doing. She's just not giving him away to anybody...some stranger on the street.

Sorry if I take offense but what you are saying about her and the Bengal breed is just simply not true!

[catland]

Ow - those tubes are quite a sight. I think that they really give us a clearer picture of what was going on in Camp Vermont behind your back SAS. Ti wasn't playing or rough-housing with Miley - he was mauling her:eek: :(

I know that if I were in the same situation as you, I'd have to make the same decision. Most blended cat families find some kind of resolution and yours didn't.

Its so sad to see the scars left by undersocializing or neglecting kitties when they are babies. It was awful that Ti's nasty breeder didn't socialize him properly. Hang in there - his forever home will be found and Camp Vermont will find peace and quiet.

[HayleyRosie]

SAS, I just looked at the picture of the tubes. I didn't realize that so much of Miley's fur was removed. The poor little thing. I am thinking of all of you.

[Cataholic]

SAS-
How awful. The whole thing, just awful. I am so happy to hear there is an end in sight. Your heart has been torn apart by this, and the events with Gabe and Grammy Crackers just too much to deal with any more trauma. But, despite all the hardship, you continue to put the welfare of your kitties ahead of your own feelings. That is truly remarkable.

Hang in there....
Hugs,
Johanna

[Randy_K]

I think you are making the right choice. There are cats who need and want to be an only cat. In the past we had a male Aby who did not tolerate other cats or dogs and he had a terrible temper about the whole thing! There were even people he didn't like and he would just walk up and bite them but he was as sweet as can be to us.

Ti sounds like he wants to eliminate the other cats around him so he can be the only cat. Also, Bengals are terribly close in breed generations to wild cats and may not be as domesticated as you need for your well domesticated Abys. As much pain as he's brought, I know you still care for him and your own efforts to rehome him will give you greater comfort in knowing he will be well cared for. He will probably be happier where the stress is lower and he runs the place. Cats can and do share your pain and I know he is aware that there's something wrong but not that he is the source of the pain.

Follow your heart.

[NotSoFluffy]

I don't recall saying anything about agressiveness, but maybe I should have. Puncture wounds that would require tubes (I would imagine for fluid drainage) would suggest an agressive attack. Vicious is another word I didn't use, nor implied, in relation to the Bengal breed. I do share my home with three myself. I simply stated that Ti is clearly dominant over Miley. I do believe sasvermont is doing the best thing by rehoming Ti.

As I stated earlier, I did not want to post this to be mean, only to share my observations so they could possibily help with any cat additions. Sometimes it helps to get an outside view when so much emotion is involved. That was my truly only intention.

As for Luckies4Me

I have seen your stories as well. I don't even feel I should waste good computer time addressing your pretentious posts about everything you know about every animal that graces this world. But, alas, I've already begun. And come to think of it, I'll leave it at that.

[luckies4me]

I never said I know everything about every animal, but yes I do know a lot about plenty of animals. It comes from years of keeping them as pets....experience. :rolleyes:

[sasvermont]

I didn't hear from the nice breeder last night so I will call her some time today. I didn't play on the internet last night to keep the phone line open.

This AM I will take Ms. Miley to the vet to have the tubing removed. The tubing by the way, is tucked under her skin and out the other end of her leg, to keep the wound open and able to have meds applied. After today it will be necessary for me to only apply the cream - and of course pill her. She is cooperative but not thrilled with me afterwards.

NotSoFluffy - it would have been good to have your input much earlier in this mess. I will "let go" of any strong feelings I have about some of your comments, epecially the one about Lucky4me. Maybe I read too much into them; more than I should have.... Life goes on.

I am not sure anyone of us has the answers to this mess. I suspect it will work it's way out over time. Ti is ok on the porch and so is everyone else. I am not treating him cruely - as he does roam the Camp from time to time but always ends up on the porch! He will be rehomed.

Miley is happier by the day - eating up a storm, using her scratching post (and my headboard <--- something new this week)..... and she is playing with and grooming Juni. I have no worries about those two getting along.

Well, off to play with Ti Ti and get Miley into her carrier!

L,
SAS

[lailamara]

Originally posted by sasvermont
Miley is happier by the day - eating up a storm, using her scratching post (and my headboard <--- something new this week)..... and she is playing with and grooming Juni. I have no worries about those two getting along


Great news about Miley. Does my heart good to hear this. She is a resiliant one thank goodness.:D

[Vio&Juni]

Guys (or gals), do not take it so closely. I am sure, NotSoFluffy didn't mean anything offensive. She was just trying to be helpful.
I feel bad when people start discussing an issue and, suddenly, they start saying to each other things...

I am glad Miley is better than before. I hope after TiTi is re-homed, we get to see more pictures of the cute little girl and also Juni Rose :) We need them. I hope to see happy faces on those pictures!

[bisi.cat]

This is actually the first time I write in this forum and this topic is the reason why I am now registered. Your story tugged at my heart so much and I've been through something like that years before...it's like emotions run wild...one day is sunshine and the other rain (or thunderstorm)...
I am glad you've found a solution to it and I know that this is just the right decision...
Our relation to our furry friends is not so very different to our friendships with other humans...some are meant for a reason, some for a season and some for a lifetime...sometimes things just don't work out as we want them to be...THAT'S LIFE!

But I think we all learned from your situation that cats are indeed as individual as each living being...some are meant to stay with us and our families and some just never fit in right...we have to accept their choices as well and here your cats have made the final choice and I'm really glad you've listened to them!

And now go on and enjoy life with beautiful Miley and her little sister Juni Rose! Please!!!

[sasvermont]

Thank you for such kind and gentle words. I know that some folks here feel the same way you do about this mess I have created. It is so far out of my control now! Your words just warmed my heart so and brightened my day! Thank you.

Miley survived the Vet's handling this morning. She is SO good at the Vet's. He flushed the site again, took more dead tissue from the area and now it must heal (with a watchful eye, of course)!

I allowed Juni in with Miley for the day, since Miley no longer has "potential toys" hanging from her hind quarters, tempting Ms. Juni Rose to play, play, play!

Off to work!

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by sasvermont


I allowed Juni in with Miley for the day, since Miley no longer has "potential toys" hanging from her hind quarters, tempting Ms. Juni Rose to play, play, play!


LOL, glad those two like eachother so much. How bout some more pics of the two of them together? ;)

I am so very glad everything is working out with sweet Miley girl, and hopefully she will be all healed up soon. :)

[rg_girlca]

I am so relieved to hear that everything went well with Miley. It sounds like things are starting to settle down some in your home and more so, once Ti is re-homed.
Won't be long before you can sweep all of this under the rug.

[gini]

SAS, I have been busy with the BBQ and saved this thread until I could take the time to read all of the posts.

Your emotions just scream from the posts and my heart goes out to you.

Seeing Miley's tubes brought back immediate memories of Rascal and his last great adventure out of doors. He ended up with the same tubes and all of the medications that needed to be administered AND the vet bill to go with it. It just killed me to see him like that and he now is strictly an INDOOR cat.

It is now pointless to look backwards and think, could have, should have, might have, wish I did!

You are absolutely doing the right thing now and especially working with the good breeder. It sounds as though Ti should be in a one cat household, spoiled rotten.

In a short time all of this will be resolved and you can take Miley around the house and show her that Ti is truly gone.

I wish you great success and also give you a giant hug for your concern and love for Ti, Miley and little Juni Rose.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

I'm so happy Miley is bouncing back so well. She sure has been through a lot, and it's good to hear she's starting to enjoy herself again. And it's good to hear she gets along so well with Juni. Kind of shows that she can get along with others - if they want to get along with her.

And SAS, you sound so much better too. More happiness in the tone of your posts. Good to hear. :)

[Barbara]

It warms up my heart to hear Miley is eating and playing. What a tough little girl. I was somehow afraid she could have a serious depression and it's relieving to hear it was a physical wound. With the healing of that wound her little heart will heal too.

As to Ti -I am sure he lives well on the porch too. He is loved and cared for and can play -and I wish him all the best:)

[Christiansmommy]

It is great to hear that Miley is on the mend!! And that little Juni and her are getting along well. I am sure Miley is feeling happy to be home with her mom and sister again. I too agree, i am sure Ti is fine on the porch and probably enjoys it...i am sure most cats would love to have a screened in porch to live in...i know as soon as my two realize the screen door is open they come running to breath in that fresh air, and watch the birdies. No worries, Ti is fine and i am sure he has no idea that he is seperated for any particular reason. It is wonderful how far you go for your animals...

I am sure Ti will find a great home...i never thought Gabe would, (and that anyone would put up with his antics, for that matter...but i was wrong!!)

Let us know what you hear from the nice breeder.

Robyn

[ChrisH]

SAS, I have been following the Miley/Juni stories from the beginning and I think you have done every possible thing to make it work, but once the extent of Mileys injuries came to light it had to be the beginning of end of Ti`s time with you, no other option.

It has been so hard for you all. For you, trying every way you could think of to make it work. For poor sweet Miley being scared and hurt, and now for poor Ti too. I say poor Ti, for, because of the irresponsibility of that breeder, has to leave probably the only real care, love, and comfort he has known.

Brighter days are ahead though, in fact they look to have already begun. Miley is recovering well from her injuries and looks to be enjoying Juni`s company. Ti has all he needs and is happy out there on the porch and soon will have that new forever home to suit his special needs.
I think Gini hit the nail on the head when she wrote...

... It is now pointless to look backwards and think, could have, should have, might have, wish I did! You are absolutely doing the right thing now and especially working with the good breeder. It sounds as though Ti should be in a one cat household, spoiled rotten. ....
You have gone that extra mile, more than once!:) I admire you so much!
Hugs
Chris

[sasvermont]

Thank you for all of your kind words and suggestions to relax a bit about the why's and why not's. I will. Maybe a beer or a glass of wine tonight.

Miley has been so clingy these past couple of days. She is a survior, for sure!

I will call Tamara tonight, if she doesn't call me by 8PM. She has my number at work too! She sounded so sincere about getting back to me by no later than Tuesday. Since she is doing me (and Ti) a huge favor by getting involved, I surely hate to make her feel guilty about not getting back to me.

Vermontcat is making lots of efforts locally, to see if there are some folks currently owning Bengals, who might want Ti!

Thanks again. I hope to take some photos tonight and if I do, I will post them.

Love to all,

SAS

[Vermontcat]

Sas, yes I have found that in Vermont, Bengal cats and Bengal owners are a rather rare breed!:)
I really hope that Tamara can help you and soon!
I would love to see some new happy cat photos especially of Juni to see how big she is getting.:)

[slick]

I have just now taken an hour to eat my lunch and catch up on this thread. I've read it from start to finish including the one where Miley was injured.

Firstly, I just want to say I'm sorry for not replying sooner to offer words of encouragement. In a situation like this you need all the help you can get.

Secondly, I was a bit disappointed to see that there was a wee bit of conflict coming from NotSoFluffy. I know that he/she did not mean to cause any harm but I think the last thing you needed to hear at that time was "next time go to a shelter?" I really enjoy reading the views of others and I think it should be encouraged, but it just goes to show you that any thread in this forum can invite words that can be taken the wrong way. Anyway, that's done and it's water under the bridge. Time to move on.

Thirdly, I wish I possessed the art of comforting words like the others. It seems that anything I say now will have been said before. I pray that you find some peace at your house and that Ti baby will find the appropriate home.

You did all you could, in fact, I would have given up long ago. You are a truly amazing hoooman being and I know alot of us can take a few lessons from this "episode". Life is a learning experience and if we stop learning from each other, what's the point.

So with that being said, I look forward to reading further happy updates. Hugs from me to all of you.

[auggie]

SAS, in the beginning I was hoping that things would work out between Ti and Miley, especially since Ti and Juni got along so well.
For Miley's sake I'm so glad you decided to re-home Ti.
Poor baby deserves to live a stress free live. I was horrified reading about her injury.
A few mos. ago I went to a similar experience after adopting a Puppy who was terrorizing my cats.It was heartbreaking to see my cats so unhappy and stressed out. I felt so guilty about taking the dog back to the rescue organization, but relieved that she was adopted the very next day.
I wish you the best of luck finding a new home for Ti.
He is so very handsome and I'm sure he will find a good home.
Give Miley girl some hugs and kisses from me. I'm so glad she is feeling much better already.

[sasvermont]

Well, tonight when I arrived home from work there was a message on my answering machine from the nice breeder, Tamara. She said she had make two unsuccessful phone calls and didn't sound nearly as serious as she did the other night about taking on Ti and his responsibility.

Vermontcat was so very nice to spend hours looking for web sites and names etc. for me. I have filled out a form to begin to look for a home for him via the Bengal Rescue out of New Hampshire.

I sent in his photos and a brief description of Ti and his basic problem. My fingers are crossed. Having never done this before, it will be interesting to see how it works and works out!

Tamara begged me to keep Ti and give him another chance. I am going to re-home him for sure! I will keep my appointment with the behaviorist. Why? Well, I owe it to the next person to know more about his problem. That will be my last gift to him before he goes, I hope.

Well, I must go tend to Ms. Miley.

Thank you so much Zoe aka Vermontcat, for going that extra 10,000 miles for Ti and me.

L,
SAS

[carole]

SAS this will have a happy ending, I am positive about that, just keep believing in that.

It is obviously not going to be as easy as all that to re-home Ti, but hey hang on in there, you have come this far, I know you will find the right home for him soon, have faith SAS.

Someone special is waiting for Ti to be their furever furbaby, I just feel it in my bones. Take care and wishing you all the best.

[Vermontcat]

Sas, I really hope that this website can help you.
www.gsprr.netfirms.com/bengal.html
I actually just spent a couple of hours reading their Bengal message board and I have learned a lot about Bengals.
The people on the message board sound really nice and a lot of them think that Bengals do well with other Bengals
or sturdy cats like Maine Coons.(cats that can handle rough play)

I am sorry that Tamara could not help you more, there really don't seem to be many Bengal owners in Vermont.

You're very welcome Sallyanne.
Since it is summer and it has been rainy I have had more free time to find some help for you.
You can repay me by posting new photos of your cats.;)

Oh cool! I just saw Ti on the adoptees page! Good work Sas!
I am sure the Bengal owners will fall in love with him!:)

[NoahsMommy]

Originally posted by sasvermont
Tamara begged me to keep Ti and give him another chance. I am going to re-home him for sure! I will keep my appointment with the behaviorist. Why? Well, I owe it to the next person to know more about his problem. That will be my last gift to him before he goes, I hope.
That is so kind of you!!! I'm sure Ti and his new people will benefit greatly. :)

Please give kisses to them all for me. :D

[Randy_K]

We had to find a home for a six year old Blue Aby whose owner died. He is a really sweet guy with us and another playmate for Mango. The first good home we found he didn't like (hid in a kitchen cabinet for weeks), the second he outright hated (would not let her touch him during the five weekes he was there) then, after looking for three weeks, we found a perfect home for him. His original home had a dog that had died of old age six months before he became homeless. This new home had lost their Aby to old age and their Labrador was in mourning as he missed his friend. When the cat and dog met they became fast friends almost immediately and the cat loves his new owners too.

It may take time to find the right home for Ti - and he deserves a good home - but it can be done. Meanwhile Miley will get back to normal and I suspect she and Juni will be like family in short order.

[bisi.cat]

Dear SAS,
I've always thought that a good book makes nice company to a glass of wine...and I've never known a mood that a good book couldn't cure at least a little bit.
I've loved to read "My angels wear fur" by Devon O'Day and it helped me a lot...you won't find any advice on your situation there, but you'll learn that letting go doesn't mean losing or stop loving...it just means learning...in this book you'll find wonderful short stories that soothe the heart...maybe you should give it a try...

You've been through such a lot of weird experiences and emotions lately and I'm glad that you all have found a way out of it now. We can learn quite a lot from our cats, hm?!;)

I wish you all the best on your further way...a quick recovery for sweet Miley girl and a wonderful kittenhood for her little sister Juni Rose...and a puuuurrrfect home for Ti...with all your efforts he'll make it to a new home soon...there's the right place for everyone, believe me...

Hugs to your weary heart
:)

[Pam]

bisi.cat your post was so sweet and reassuring and I know SAS will agree. The books sounds terrific and also the glass of wine is not a bad idea either. Though you have just found Pet Talk, I/we do hope you will stay. There are lots of really nice folks here and I know you will agree and also I have a feeling you will have much to contribute.

Sallyanne, once again you are going the extra mile with your intention to keep your appointment with the behaviorist for Ti. You are doing everything you can to assure that Ti will blend in perfectly in his new furever home and not find himself being re-homed yet again. You are truly a gem, but we already knew that really! ;) :cool:

[Rachel]

Originally posted by sasvermont
Tamara begged me to keep Ti and give him another chance. I am going to re-home him for sure! I will keep my appointment with the behaviorist. Why? Well, I owe it to the next person to know more about his problem. That will be my last gift to him before he goes, I hope.



My one concern here is that the behaviorist, in doing what she does, might want to put Ti and Miley in the same room to observe their interaction. Maybe you could print out some of the detailed notations you have made here about what has transpired on various occasions, so she doesn't have to see for herself . I just don't feel Miley needs to endure any more of Ti, for any reason.

Forgive my two cents...I just worry about the little girl.

[Pam]

Originally posted by Rachel
My one concern here is that the behaviorist, in doing what she does, might want to put Ti and Miley in the same room to observe their interaction.

Excellent point Rachel!

[sasvermont]

Well, there is no way Miley will be put with Ti. The behaviorist can observe Ti with Juni. He plays oddly with her too, just not "for keeps"...... I would never subject poor Miley to Ti again. I think she would have a heart attack.

At night, if Miley sees Juni, she gets tense until she can see that she is not Ti...and just some little squirt of a kitten, who wants to play and be a pain in the neck!

The problem is with Ti, not Miley. I could care less if cats hiss and yowl and even tumble with each other, but what Ti did was totally unforgiveable. I can never trust him now. Sorry, but he is a cat, not a human, and let someone else deal with him.

I will put tons of effort into getting him into "kitty rehab" and into a new home. He cannot stay in my home, that is a given! He will never see Miley again!

Juni and Miley were playing in the famous red tent this AM. I didn't get any pictures. Sorry. They really are enjoying playing. I think they will become good friends once Ti leaves and they have full run of the house.

Thanks everyone! Thanks, thanks, thanks.

Such wonderful, big hearted people here!

Love to all,
SAS

[Logan]

Sallyanne,
I have had a busy week and missed all of the latest until now! I am so sorry that I haven't been here in support of you and your decision. But you have my 100% support, I promise! I love your attitude because even through all of this, you are still concerned about Ti's future, even if it isn't in your home. You are a true lover of animals and every action you have taken has proved that!!
Thank goodness (I think :o ) Butter doesn't have it "in" for Mimi. He would never have been allowed to stay if he did. In fact, the only puncture wound that ever occured due to a wrestling match with the two of them was given to Butter by Mimi, not the other way around! Why does that make me happy when he takes his aggression out on me instead? :eek: Hehehe!!! What a sucker I am for a needy soul. In fact, if there wasn't Mimi to consider, I'd tell you to send Ti on down here to fight it out with Butter. Probably they'd get along just fine. Cats are definitely an interesting species and no two are alike!
Please give gentle pets and hugs to all of them for me. I am keeping you and the kitties in my prayers. You deserve some peace and they all deserve some normalcy.
Logan

[Cincy'sMom]

You really are going above and beyond for Ti, SAS. I know the right home will be out there for him and you will make sure you find it. I admire your commitment, and I wish more pet owners were half as concerned about the animals they plan on keeping.

[Randy_K]

I had an interesting conversation with a friend who got a young Bengal female five months ago. They live in a high-rise and the cat is strong enough to open the sliding door to the balcony. They found her walking on the railing 12 stories from the ground one evening upon coming home from work. She plays very rough with their older cat and bites so hard she's injured him several times (sound familiar?) and she's also played rough with them. They decided to rehome her and found a good home with a yard. She only gets to go out on a leash, though. In her new home she's an only cat and has calmed down a lot.

[sasvermont]

Randy, thank you for the input. It makes me feel a tad better about not wanting to have a cat around like my Ti Ti. I just got finished hugging the little devil and he resisted. Then he let me rub his tummy after I put him down. He is a tough cookie.

I haven't had a response from the Web site Bengal rescue folks other than their confirmation that they will run the ad for his rehoming.

All is quiet here right now. Miley is looking better and better and happier and happier. She was a sad looking girl for a few days.

I hope to take some photos tonight. I know, I know. I said that yesterday too!

We are getting such rain right now....wow....I think we have flood warnings. I live on a hill, so I am not worried, but some of the folks near the lake and run-off areas are in for a long night.

Thanks again Randy, you are a dear to chime in again! I really need lots of mental support on this one. I love big Ti Ti, but I love and cherish Miley more! And I like a nice, peaceful home as well.

L,
SAS

[rg_girlca]

So glad to hear that Miley is doing better as each day goes by.

Keep your spirits up Sas and keep the Faith.

[Steffi N]

I am glad to read that Miley is happier. I hope Ti finds a new home soon.

[Vermontcat]

Sas, I don't know if you checked out the link to the Bengal Breeder Directory so I will put it here.
There are three breeders listed in NH and several in the other New England states besides Vermont.
www.bengalcat.com/breederdir/breederlist.php?region=5
Maybe you want to contact some of these breeders too?

I also found a new website called
www.thecatsite.com/forums/index.php
one of the moderators who is named Anne is a cat behavior consultant, maybe you want to ask her some questions about Ti.
There is also a Breeders Notice Board on their forum that you might like to list Ti at too.

And if you want to laugh a lot check out this thread in their Forum
www.thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=20205
I just love the photos!:D

I hope to see some new photos of your cats soon.:)

[Cincy'sMom]

I don't know if this would help or not, but there is a Bengal Rescue on yahoo groups, that has some animals listed on petfinder....maybe someone there is looking for a new boy?

Here's (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bengalcatrescue/) a link

[Randy_K]

More on the rehomed Bengal girl: The original owner was taking her to work with him to keep her out of trouble at home. A man there fell in love with her but "could never afford such a beautiful cat." The owner decided it was more important to see her in a good, loving home rather than recover his investment in her (wise man!). The new owner brings her into work one day a week so the old owner still gets to see her and his older cat at home is much happier. They are thinking about getting an Aby now after spending time with Mango and Peaches. They are exotic looking and energetic but well domesticated...

[Cataholic]

SAS...
I just wish I had the magic wand to make this situation right for everyone, but, alas, I am helpless. I am so thankful to you for doing what is right for everyone. I know help is around the corner, I just know it...as it should be since I have been praying so hard for it...hang in there, though I know the road has been so long already.
Johanna