labradors??? [Archive]

Desert Arabian

06-09-2003, 07:25 PM

Well lets see, seeing how I am a huge Labrador fan, and have been researching the breed for the past year and a half...I think I can help you out.

Labrador Retriever Club (http://thelabradorclub.com/)
Just Labradors (http://www.justlabradors.com/)
Sporting Dogs. com (http://www.sportingdogs.com/)
Labrador Pictures (http://www.worldphotos.org/labrador.htm)
Big Yellow Dog (http://www.bigyellowdog.com/)
MSN- Labador Retriever's (http://groups.msn.com/LabradorRetrievers)

A great book to check out at the library: Books for Dummies: Labrador Retirevers

Some basic information of of the top of my head:
Labradors are one of the best breeds to have around children. They are not aggressive, and make a bad guard dog. Labs have webbing between their toes to help them swim, along with a double-coat to keep them warm and water resistant in cold water. Labs are the most popular dog breed in America...many think it is the Golden Retriever, but that's not true. Labradors have a lot of healt issues. The number one health issue is hip dysplasia. Their coat is not hypoallergenic so if you have allergies (like me), they make your allergies act up.

lovemyshiba

06-09-2003, 09:42 PM

I can't believe Riley is my first lab--he is so great. He learned to potty outside very quickly, knows commands, loves to play with Abbey (he's a little timid around Kito), and just always wants to be with people!! He listens so well too--he can go off leash to play frisbee or ball outside, because he'll come when we call him.
How could you possibly resist this face:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p2fcd6a68031f7c5c2ea7021d57926929/fc118774.jpg

*LabLoverKEB*

06-09-2003, 09:42 PM

Labrador Retrievers are the most popular dog in America! How could you possibly not like them?!?! I have a Black Lab, named Sadie.

cloverfdx

06-10-2003, 09:07 AM

they are not agressive,and make a bad guard dog

not entirly true , they are quite a territorial breed and make good guard dogs.very protective of their familys more so than most breeds

they take ALOT of training (as all dogs do)

can be stubborn, hyperactive

but avove all wonderfull loving active family members (great working dogs, obedience,agility,tracking,retrieving,flyball)

Kona & Oreo's mom

06-10-2003, 09:25 AM

I'd just like to add that they can be very energetic and need a lot of exercise and mental stimulation. Before I had my black lab, I thought that because the guide-dog labs I had seen were so calm and focused that all labs were like that. Now I know that a whole lot of training and practice is required get that focus!

A great thing about all that energy is their attitude--Oreo approaches everything with the attitude "That's My Favorite!" :D

lute

06-10-2003, 09:54 AM

wow! they are cool dogs. i guess i never liked them because they are so plain looking.i don't know.

thanks for the links. there is a choc. lab that lives a few blocks away.he is cute,but he is HUGE!!!

i like hyper dogs.i like a dog that i can take to the park and run with.

Mich

06-10-2003, 10:14 AM

I didn't know anything about labrador's either when I got my cross breed, - still don't know a great deal but am learning every day.

wolfsoul

06-10-2003, 10:34 AM

I disagree that they make bad guard dogs. I know that they generally make better watch dogs, but I've heard many stories about labradors attacking people in defense of their family.

They are very energetic, and are quite prone to obeseity, so they need alot of exercise. They love to swim and play fetch, and they are quite friendly and outgoing. Great with kids, and they make great family dogs. Otherwise I can't really say much that others haven't already said...

Desert Arabian

06-10-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by cloverfdx
not entirly true , they are quite a territorial breed and make good guard dogs.very protective of their familys more so than most breeds

99.999999999% of Labradors would rather slobber all over a burglar rather than jump for the jugular. They are not the best guard dogs. No where near as good as a Doby, Rottie, Shepherd, etc. Many Labs will bark, like all dogs, to show the tresspasser they don't like them, but after they get to know the tresspasser they are ok with them.

can be stubborn, hyperactive
Labs are extremely high strung between the ages of 6 months and 3 years. They start to settle down (a little bit) as they get older. Generally females are more stubborn than males, because they tend to be more independant. Of course, that doesn't hold true for all Labs, just a majority.

they take ALOT of training (as all dogs do)
They are one of the easiest breeds to train....

cocker_luva

06-10-2003, 01:50 PM

be careful though. my neighbors lab is really mean! she is dominate and will pick fights with dogs and other animals. also she can not be trusted with ANY YOUNG CHILD. she already has attacked, maybe, 4 kids in the neighborhood in the KIDS OWN YARD!!!!

i'm not a lab person myself, but i like some labs.

Desert Arabian

06-10-2003, 02:08 PM

Here are some quotes to prove I know what I'm talking about. :o

Quotes about "guard dog" Labradors:

"Generally speaking, Labs are happy, friendly souls, but they are very easily bored. Labs have above average intelligence and learn quickly. Labrador Retrievers make great family members, usually get along well with children and other pets. They will alert you to strangers, but are not "guard dogs", although they will offer protection to the best of their ability. Above all, they give unconditional love. Your Labrador Retriever deserves love and respect from their family."
-Labrador Retriever Rescue, INC.

"True Labrador Retriever temperament is as much a hallmark of the breed as the "otter" tail. The ideal disposition is one of a kindly, outgoing, tractable nature; eager to please and non-aggressive towards man or animal. The Labrador has much that appeals to people; his gentle ways, intelligence and adaptability make him an ideal dog. Aggressiveness towards humans or other animals, or any evidence of shyness in an adult should be severely penalized."
- The AKC Labrador Retriever Club, from breed standard

"Their best feature is their temperament. Labs are loving, people oriented dogs. They are happiest when they are with you. Labs are retrievers and will bring you things they find laying about your house or yard. They tend to be quite patient with children and wonderful family dogs. They are not guard dogs. They may bark protectively, but will generally not act more aggressively. Labs are wonderful people dogs, more likely to lick someone to death than hurt them. They tend to be stable, not easily upset by strange things or occurrences. They will take many things in stride."
-Just Labradors, labrador retriever FAQ's

"A sweet, gentle, and playful temperment is really what a labrador is all about, if that is lost, then the breed is lost, because that wonderful labrador temperment is what attracts the majority of people to this breed."
-Windfall Labrador Retrievers

Quotes about training Labradors:

"The Labrador Retriever is an intelligent dog that is not difficult to train because it learns quickly and likes to work for its handler. It is such a great pitty if such a dog can do nothing more than be a pet."
-Enclyopedia of Dogs: Labrador Retriever- page 202-203

"Labrador Retrievers are people- and action- oriented dogs, and can become bored if left to their own devices. Untrained, they can be unmanageable due to their size and enthusiasm. Unexercised, they will often turn to destruction or escape to alleviate boredom and excess energy. They require attention and love as much as food and water. Labradors are easy to train which makes obedience work a fun way to interact with your dog. Labradors also require plenty of exercise -- this is especially true since most Labs love to eat! Ensuring they get proper exercise, training, and attention will give you a happy, healthy Labrador."
-The AKC Labrador Retriever Club, INC

Mixed quote about both topics:

"The Labrador Retriever is a loving, affectionate, lovable, patient dog. Highly intelligent, loyal, willing, and high-spirited. Lively and good-natured, they love to play, especially in water - for they love to swim. They have an excellent, reliable, temperament and are friendly, superb with children and equable with other dogs. They crave human attention and need to feel as though they are part of the family. Labs are easily trained. Some may be reserved with strangers unless very well socialized as puppies. These dogs are watchdogs, not guard dogs, although some have been known to guard."
-Labrador Retriever (Black) (Chocolate) (Yellow)
{What an odd website name!!!}

Desert Arabian

06-10-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by cocker_luva
be careful though. my neighbors lab is really mean! she is dominate and will pick fights with dogs and other animals. also she can not be trusted with ANY YOUNG CHILD. she already has attacked, maybe, 4 kids in the neighborhood in the KIDS OWN YARD!!!!

i'm not a lab person myself, but i like some labs.

This dog is most likely attention starved. It is extremely rare for a Labrador to act this way. Read my quotes and you will know what I am talking about. If this dog has truly attacked four kids, it needs to be put to sleep. I bet if this dog got the proper attention, love, and training it would not be like this. Another thing, dominance has to deal with dogs, not people, so that is not an issue in the case of bitting children. If the dog was attacking every dog in the neighborhood, then that would be a dominance issue. Maybe the kids are being mean to the dog i.e hitting it, pulling tail and ears. I have seen a lot of kids being extremely mean to dogs (hitting, pulling ears, etc) and I feel like treating them the way they treat the dog, I yell at them of course. If that is why those kids are getting bitten, oh well, that is their own fault.

I feel extremely bad for this labbie...

GoldenRetrLuver

06-10-2003, 06:03 PM

I just want to add something....MOST labs are fairly easy to train, but they are not the easiest to train, i know quite a few stubborn labs.:)

cloverfdx

06-12-2003, 07:47 AM

99.999999999% of Labradors would rather slobber all over a burglar rather than jump for the jugular. They are not the best guard dogs. No where near as good as a Doby, Rottie, Shepherd, etc. Many Labs will bark, like all dogs, to show the tresspasser they don't like them, but after they get to know the tresspasser they are ok with them.

ok coming from someone who belive's there is such a labrador colouring such as silver:rolleyes:

first ever dog that attacked my dog at obedience was a lab

dogs most likly to be rushed to the vets with stomach blockages (labradors)
cannot help themselve's will eat anything

GoldenRetrLuver

06-12-2003, 09:05 AM

lol, one more thing...ive heard of silver labs, but technically they are not with the AKC. Breeders registered them as "chocolate labs" so they could be registered!/anyway..just thought i had to say that...

Desert Arabian

06-12-2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by cloverfdx
ok coming from someone who belive's there is such a labrador colouring such as silver:rolleyes:

First of all, did I get rude and snippy with you? No, so don't even start to get rude and snippy with me! I am just doing my job telling the starter of this thread the CORRECT information on Labrador Retrievers.

Yes, there are silver Labradors. They are registered as the AKC as chocolate/liver Labradors, because they are a dilution of a chocolate. Here is a website for a breeder of silvers: Silver Star Kennels (http://www.silverlabs.com/)

I think you should do more research instead of spouting off to people who actually do know a great deal about Labrador Retrievers.

first ever dog that attacked my dog at obedience was a lab
Oh, ok, I get it. One Labrador "attacked" your dog at training classes...so all Labradors have an attacking issue. I get ya!

lol, one more thing...ive heard of silver labs, but technically they are not with the AKC. Breeders registered them as "chocolate labs" so they could be registered!/anyway..just thought i had to say that...

:confused: :confused: WHAT!?!?! They didn't resigster them under chocolates just so silvers could be registered. They are registered under chocolates because they are diltued chocolates. I advise you to go to that silver breeder website and read the information they have on their webpage. :cool:

Nomilynn

06-12-2003, 12:34 PM

I don't know much about labs, but my boyfriend's sister has a black lab named Daisy and she is the sweetest dog I've ever met! She is very hyper (she is now 8 or 9 yrs old) and LOOOVES to play. She is also very loyal to Marsha (his sister) because Marsha is the one who took her through training. She always barks to let people know that someone is coming, but I don't believe that she would hurt anyone unless she thought someone she loved was threatened. I really don't think that is a "lab" trait; most dogs who have bonded to their family would do that, in my opinion and experience.

I also don't think that people should be basing their entire opinions on the one or two dogs they have met in their lifetimes. Just because YOU met a lab with a bad owner does not mean ALL labs are bad dogs. I think YLL provided some good links with a lot of information.

aly

06-12-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by cloverfdx

first ever dog that attacked my dog at obedience was a lab

dogs most likly to be rushed to the vets with stomach blockages (labradors)
cannot help themselve's will eat anything

Dogs that are dog aggressive have nothing to do with their interaction with humans and nothing to do with the fact that they are "vicious" or "not friendly". I can't tell you how many hundreds upon hundreds of dog aggressive dogs I've met in the shelters who are just big mushballs with humans and would NEVER even think of even a growl towards a human. So I really don't see the connection with a dog attacking another dog meaning it would be a good guard dog (against people).

And I don't understand why you put the part about stomach blockages and eating anything in there. Not trying to be mean, just confused.

Those of you who are saying you've come across "bad" (for lack of a better word) Labs, its just a question of their upbringing and socialization. Example: You have lab puppy #1 and lab puppy #2 from the same litter. #1 goes home with a big family who lives in the city. The kids play with the puppy every day and the puppy is around the family's other dog and cats. The puppy encounters many people on the daily walks. The family also takes #1 through puppy kindegarten. #2 goes to a single old man who lives in the country. #2 never sees another dog or cat, and rarely any other people. I think everyone knows the personalities #1 and #2 will take on. #1 has been properly socialized and will greet strangers with a wagging tail and sloppy kisses. #2 will probably attack other dogs and shy away from strangers. So, for those of you judging the breed on a single dog you've met, please think about how they were raised and if they could have been socialized more. Socializing is a bigger task than most people realize so even if a large family with kids and other animals adopts a puppy, it doesn't automatically mean the puppy will grow up socialized. This is true with any breed.

I think I can weigh in on the labs' personality since for my job on a daily basis for many years, I interact with all different kinds of dogs. Granted most of them are mixes, I still see many purebreds. I'm not one who likes to generalize characteristics based on breed or sex because there's always exceptions BUT I have noticed labs adapt easier to the shelter environment and seem generally all around friendlier and more accepting. I've also assisted with temperament tests at the shelter for about a year and the only lab that failed the test failed because he was so terrified (hadn't been socialized) but not because of any aggression.

Sure, a Lab can be aggressive... so can a Poodle.. so can a Golden... so can a Bichon Frise. But I do believe that a Lab is one of the least likely breeds to become aggressive. That is my opinion based on my observations over the years. And I do think I've had enough observations and handlings to consider myself experienced.

shais_mom

06-12-2003, 03:41 PM

All the labs I have met are wonderful. Not saying that there aren't cases out there where the dog is mean or whatever.
I have a Golden and she is EXTREMELY stubborn. And I would hate to see what would happen if I was ever attacked, she is very protective of me and her home, even my parents home.
Isn't it a fact that you are more likely to be bit by a Golden or a Lab? Maybe that is just b/c there are so many of them.
I think Goldens and Labs are a lot alike.
very lovable
need alot of training
can have bad genes (as all dogs can)
both are the most popular dog in the US
and stay puppies until about age 3

I am like Aly, I don't understand the blockage comment either. :confused:

All Creatures Great And Small

06-12-2003, 04:28 PM

To quote your OWN signature, cloverfdx:
"there are no bad dog's , just bad owners"

anti BSL (breed specific legislation) site australia
www.edba.org.au

This website you're touting is against breed specific legislation, i.e. stereotyping breeds by behavior, and yet here you are lumping ALL Labradors into a "bad" category. You also claim to believe that there are "no bad dogs, just bad owners" - so what's your problem with Labradors? You need to think before you speak (or type).

Also, Australia should be capitalized as it is a proper noun, and there are no apostrophes in plurals, such as "dog's". An apostrophe indicates something belonging to the dog. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. I know there's spell check all over the place nowadays, but proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation still give more credibility to what the speaker is trying to say.

NoahsMommy

06-12-2003, 04:58 PM

Um....I find it interesting that you are judging this breed by the two things that you "know" about them.

EVERY breed is liable to have a few bad seeds, just like with any species...humans included. You shouldn't be so closed minded.

I've known many, many labs that were wonderful! I knew one lab that was territorial, but not at all mean.

They are much easier to train than other breeds. All it takes is time...any dog that is hyper-active/unruly, doesn't have an owner with enough time!

I don't know where you get your information, but you need to look further. Are you aware that labs are quite often used as seeing eye dogs, therapy dogs, search and rescue, etc. here? I don't think that would be so if they are all as you say....

GoldenRetrLuver

06-12-2003, 06:29 PM

look at this statement fom a webite:... People that breed silver labs register them as chocolate.

Silver labs are not really a breed...they are do to "cross breeding"

YLL, here is the truth behind the silver labs...

silver labs (http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/silverlabs.html)

wolfsoul

06-12-2003, 06:37 PM

Silver labs are not really a breed...they are do to "cross breeding"
They don't come from cross breeding? :confused: It is just a dilute coat. They are as pure as any other labrador.

German shepherds are often diluted (blue) and they are purebred, and blue the diluted form of black in a doberman, and they are purebred as well. These dilutions don't result from cross breeding, they result from a gene from long ago suddenly showing up in a line, and showing up more as the line is constantly bred.

binka_nugget

06-12-2003, 06:45 PM

yep...I think the lab would still be pure-bred...there are a few blue border collies I've seen..along with a brindle sheltie and lemon dalmations.

GoldenRetrLuver

06-12-2003, 06:53 PM

Ive read abou the "cross breeding" on a website about Silver Labs. Sorry, if its not true. Its just what ive read.:o

binka_nugget

06-12-2003, 06:58 PM

ack..i think we should just get back to talking about temperment and stuff..lol...

In response to cloverfdx's comment...

first ever dog that attacked my dog at obedience was a lab

That really doesn't say anything about the breed itself. I'm sure there are many bad owners who raise "bad" dogs. There are bad representatives for every breed. I'm sure there are bad chi's, goldens, labs, collies, etc..but judging the breed on one dog alone doesn't say anything. It only shows how ignorant the person is.

wolfsoul

06-12-2003, 07:05 PM

it's ok :) I know that I only get my info from reading too, so I suppose you could be right...But remember that every other breed has this happen too, and it can't be that they were cross bred in every case ;) They could very well have popped some weimeraner into the blood line.. :eek: lol

Have you seen a diluted shepherd? Gorgeous...here are some pics :)
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images4/GSpups2.jpg
http://www.bluedogs.8m.com/gypcrop.jpg
http://www.bluedogs.8m.com/rtailshot1.JPG
http://www.bluedogpics.8m.com/gypint1.jpg

nice, eh? :D

GoldenRetrLuver

06-12-2003, 07:07 PM

lol, thanx:) wow, its beautiful! Never seen them before...:)

wolfsoul

06-12-2003, 07:09 PM

pssst....move over to "name that breed." ;) LOL

Cookiebaker

06-12-2003, 09:05 PM

We have a one year old Yellow Lab Mix, and though I may be a bit prejudiced ;) he is the most wonderful dog. He is very alert, and tells me if anybody comes in the driveway, or if anything's not quite right. Though he has his nawtee moments, he's playful and yet gentle. He gets along very well with our cat and our bunny, and is already starting to settle down. Malone is fairly easy to train (a bit stubborn at times) but he tries very hard to please us.

I think with ANY breed you are going to have those that haven't been trained properly, and from there you have behavioural problems. I would definitely NOT call the lab breed territorial or aggressive. Sure you have some individuals that display non-characteristic behaviour but you will find this ANYWHERE. Your thinking is like saying that all pitbulls are "fighters" or "bad". When you truly educate yourself, you will find that that is just not true.

Please don't judge a breed when you don't know what you are talking about.

Desert Arabian

06-12-2003, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
Silver labs are not really a breed...they are do to "cross breeding"

No, they are purebreds. They are not cross-bred!!! They are chocolate labradors, in a diluted color!! Just like there are yellow labs which are so light they are white, and some are so dark they are almost brown...but they are still registered under yellow Labradors- not in seperate color categories.

If you went to that website I advised you to take a look at, and looked at a picture of their dogs, you would have noticed a chocolate Labrador they use to get their silver labradors from.

They are not a different breed.....

Cross breeding is when you take two different breeds and breed them i.e. a Saint Bernard and Springer Spaniel. Silver Labradors ARE NOT crossbred!!!!!!

"CCK's original line of Silver Labs evolved as the product of recessive gene combination from chocolate Labs. Subsequent breedings have proven the Silver color to be a replicable genetic trait with Silver/Silver breedings producing litters of all Silver pups."
-CristCulo Kennels

GoldenRetrLuvr and Cloverfdx: READ THIS WEBPAGE!!!!!!! ;)
Silver Labradors (http://www.labbies.com/silver.htm)

Desert Arabian

06-12-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Cookiebaker
Please don't judge a breed when you don't know what you are talking about.

B-I-N-G-O
J-A-C-K-P-O-T
D-I-T-T-O
E-X-A-C-T-L-Y

can't say it any better....

:D :p

GoldenRetrLuver

06-12-2003, 10:50 PM

YLL, I said I got the "cross breeding" info of a silver lab site. I said I was sorry.

Desert Arabian

06-12-2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
YLL, I said I got the "cross breeding" info of a silver lab site. I said I was sorry.

That's why you shouldn't believe the first site you read... ;) Do further research and view many websites...

It's ok...

GoldenRetrLuver

06-12-2003, 11:00 PM

ok:)

wolf_Q

06-13-2003, 12:26 AM

You can't judge an entire breed of dog by few experiences...

There were 3 labs in the basic obedience class I took. One was a complete spaz hyper dog, one was very calm, intelligent, and well-behaved, and the other was a bit of a mix between. None were aggressive.

Like Aly said, you could have dogs from the same parents raised in a different environment and act completely different. This is the same with any breed.

Labs are popular, and unfortunately they are bred entirely too much. I swear if you look in the newspaper around here at least half the ads are for lab puppies. Overbreeding leads to dogs not bred for temperament, health, etc. and ends up creating some individuals with traits that are not desirable, and therefore, not a good representation of the breed. Just because a dog looks like a lab does not mean the dog has the personality a lab should have.

shais_mom

06-13-2003, 07:16 AM

Silver Labs are GORGEOUS! I had never seen one before. Tho they can be easily mistaken for Weimereiners I think.

cloverfdx

06-13-2003, 09:35 AM

The silver coloration comes into play when the D gene is turned on - which does not happen in labradors. If the D gene is dd then it will "dilute" the coloration if the B gene is bb in labradors. In other breeds the dilute combo (dd) can make a Bb or BB dog gray or "blue". A dog like the doberman has this dilute gene pattern and therefore "blue" dobies can arise from a black doberman that has this dilute combination. Other breeds like Great Danes, Chow Chows, and German Shepherds can be diluted. Some breeds accept the color and others do not.

The breeders of silver labs say that it is not the work of the D gene but of the B gene working in conjunction with the C gene which I don't think is true in Labradors - (C for "concentration" can cause fox reds in our breed when combined with ee and it can influence the concentration of black or chocolate expression as well - goes into why some chocolates are darker than others).

:mad:

in other words lab x wienmeraner (sp?)

seeing friends who breed labs on sunday at dog club and will ask there opinion on this very annoying subject (not that there is anything to ask) there are three colourings of the breed yellow, black, chocolate:rolleyes:

Desert Arabian

06-13-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by cloverfdx
The silver coloration comes into play when the D gene is turned on - which does not happen in labradors. If the D gene is dd then it will "dilute" the coloration if the B gene is bb in labradors. In other breeds the dilute combo (dd) can make a Bb or BB dog gray or "blue". A dog like the doberman has this dilute gene pattern and therefore "blue" dobies can arise from a black doberman that has this dilute combination. Other breeds like Great Danes, Chow Chows, and German Shepherds can be diluted. Some breeds accept the color and others do not.

The breeders of silver labs say that it is not the work of the D gene but of the B gene working in conjunction with the C gene which I don't think is true in Labradors - (C for "concentration" can cause fox reds in our breed when combined with ee and it can influence the concentration of black or chocolate expression as well - goes into why some chocolates are darker than others).

Nice plagerism! What you did is illegal in the United States of America...not sure about Australia. You took credit for someone elses work, with out giving the author credit or noting the source you got your information from.

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If it is so annoying, why don't you stop "arguing" about silver Labs, and leave this thread. No one is forcing you to post here...

I'm not even going to bother fighting for a useless cause, as long as I know the truth and the facts, I'll be happy, and when I get my Labradors I know they will be well looked after.

Desert Arabian

06-13-2003, 10:47 AM

Oh yes, I forgot to include the link for the website Cloverfdx's post was plagerised from:

My HTML Code is off for some reason, so I have to post the link the long way...http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/silverlabs.html

cloverfdx

06-13-2003, 11:18 AM

ok calling this crap quits, you know i dont really care what you people think, go ahead and keep on beliving you can get pure bred "silver" labradors, hell why your at it go and get yourself a pure "labradoodle" "groodle" "maltipoo"

LABRADORS DO NOT CARRY THE DILUTE GENE, THAT IS NEEDED TO CREATE THE SILVER/ BLUE COLOURING ~Grrrr~

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/p3a50f3b726da09af94ed88d5dc809c16/fbf54a4e.jpg
and another thing i actualy like labs not all but a few (cameron the black boy )

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/pdc336d6bbcfbe0093db4ec726adf177a/fbf54a57.jpg
KOBE "BEAR" (lovely choc boy)

as for the breed specific legislations, they have nothing to do with labradors as people think they are the most wonderfull family dogs around, and would never think of banning them. they are only after those killer "pitt bulls" (sarcasm)

and yes i strongly belive in "there are no bad dogs, just bad owners"

~grumbles~ i had it with this crap now

finished

lovemyshiba

06-13-2003, 11:45 AM

I had never seen a silver lab until I checked out those sites--beautiful!!!

Desert Arabian

06-13-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by lovemyshiba
I had never seen a silver lab until I checked out those sites--beautiful!!!

I know! I think they are so beautiful.

wolfsoul

06-13-2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by cloverfdx
there are three colourings of the breed yellow, black, chocolate:rolleyes:

Those are the three RECOGNIZED colours. Not many people have heard of silver labs, and that's why it's difficult for people like you to accept them. It's the same reason people think that white shepherds are a seperate breed from other colours of german shepherds.

What you quoted from that site did not in any way say that labs were crossed with wiemeraners. What you said also didn't make any sense, because that statement just gave more evidence toward the theory of silver colouration, it didn't prove it wrong in any way.

Like the website said, "The breeders of silver labs say that it is not the work of the D gene but of the B gene working in conjunction with the C gene." The person who made the site may not believe this, but it is still evidence, and you quoted it and can't take it back now.

GoldenRetrLuver

06-13-2003, 08:48 PM

Is it true that silver labs may have more health problems then the black, yellow, and chocolate labs?

P.S. I read it from another "silver lab site"

wolfsoul

06-13-2003, 08:51 PM

nah...it is true that some of the colours in other breeds (like white dobermans or boxers) are prone to more problems (deafness, sunburn etc.), but silver cant cause anything...:)

GoldenRetrLuver

06-13-2003, 08:53 PM

Ok, thanx, thats what i meant.:)

Desert Arabian

06-13-2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
Is it true that silver labs may have more health problems then the black, yellow, and chocolate labs?

P.S. I read it from another "silver lab site"

No, I don't believe so. But the breed all together have a lot of health issues, do to over breeding.

GoldenRetrLuver

06-13-2003, 08:55 PM

Ok, thanx again:)

Desert Arabian

06-13-2003, 09:02 PM

Labs suffer from hip dysplasia, arthritis, retinal atropgy, osteochondrosis, and much, much more!!

If you buy a Labrador from a breeder, make sure it is OFA/CERF certified, along with the puppies parents. This is very important!!!!

cloverfdx

06-14-2003, 07:48 AM

just as i started to read the new post's my brother and fiancee just walked in (my bro's fiancee and family have been breeding labs for over 25 years) and know what they are doing and know a hell of alot about the breed, when i mentioned the silver labradors my bro's fiancee lol and said it was impossible and when i showed her www.silverlabs.com we were both laughing so much at the poor sucker's who get these dogs shipped world wide.

the so called labs look ALOT like weinmeraners (sp?)

again that is all on the subject (FOR NOW)

Desert Arabian

06-14-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by cloverfdx
the so called labs look ALOT like weinmeraners (sp?)

No they don't. If you studied the breeds features carefully, you would have noticed that silver Labradors have big blocky heads, which is a breed standard for Labrador Retrievers. Weimaraners have long narrow heads, which is also a breed standard for Weimnaraners.

Silver Lab:
http://www.silverlabs.com/index.4.jpg

Weimaraner:
http://www.bapfish.freeuk.com/dogs/weimaraner.jpeg

Their head structure looks NOTHING alike. Look at the ear size difference.

Silver Lab:
http://hosting.northernweb.net/silverlab/images/alex.JPEG

Weimaraner:
http://www.petbrazil.com.br/bicho/caes/615.jpg

Their body structure is totally different too. The Weimaraner is tall and sleek, and the silver Labrador is medium and stocky.

my bro's fiancee lol and said it was impossible and when i showed her www.silverlabs.com we were both laughing so much at the poor sucker's who get these dogs shipped world wide.
It is obviously possible, look at the pictures and breeders websites. They must not know "a whole hell of a lot" about Labradors if they have never heard of a silver lab. Have they ever heard of a cream and fox red Labrador before..since they don't know about silver Labradors? Here is another silver labrador breeder:

Crist Culo Kennels: http://hosting.northernweb.net/silverlab/

I have also noticed that all the silver labrador breedersI have found so far, are in the United States, not Australia. That would most likely explain why you and your family members have never seen them before, and won't excpet them...you have never heard of this coloration before. That is my logical guess.

I thought you said you were done, anyways!?!?!?!?

~grumbles~ i had it with this crap now

ok calling this crap quits

GoldenRetrLuver

06-14-2003, 09:41 AM

I think the color of the silver labs and the weims definatley look about the same. But, the lab has a "bulky" body compared to the weim.:)

Desert Arabian

06-14-2003, 09:43 AM

Yeppers. I agree with your statement too! :D :)

To view it in a different perspective. It is like the Doberman and the Rottweiler. They have the same coloration, but totally different sizes, and body builds. :)

http://www.xiakedao.com/home/dogking/mingquan/dobermann.jpg
http://www.xiakedao.com/home/dogking/mingquan/rottweiler.jpg

GoldenRetrLuver

06-14-2003, 09:46 AM

LOL, hey im getting the hang of these "silver labs"...;)

Desert Arabian

06-14-2003, 09:49 AM

:D

...hhmm, I wonder why!?!? :p

GoldenRetrLuver

06-14-2003, 09:52 AM

LOL..thanx for all the info.... :)

wolfsoul

06-14-2003, 12:26 PM

They don't look like wiemeraners :rolleyes: Obviously if your brother's fiancee is a "good breeder", and knows what labs actually look like (let's hope a breeder of labs for 25 years would know what the heck one looks like) she should realize that they look VERY different. You know, people used to be as skeptical about chocolate labs, and said that they were lab chesapeake crosses.

This website http://www.labbies.com/genetics2.htm#Silver clearly states this :
"When one traces the pedigrees of some silver Labs, one finds a history of other color oddities occurring in some related bloodlines to the silver Labs. Occurrences of "black-casting" in chocolates, muted chocolate coloration ("card-board box" coloring), as well as the occasional occurrence of black puppies being whelped from two chocolate parents suggests that these "chocolates" were probably not chocolate at all but rather E+ yellows. As such, it is conceivable that the Agouti alleles could produce an intense red pigment resulting in deep red (interpreted as chocolate especially in the absence of "saddling" modifiers) or diluted, muted red (card board box color) due to further modification by the alleles of the C locus). In black Labs, an ayayEE+ geneotype could produce a muted black color (because of the presence of both receptor types) especially if the alleles at the C locus were cch, thus resulting in a deep charcoal, silvery coat appearance. This suggests a possible role of E+ for the silver coloration as well as for a multitude of other coat color variants that occasionally occur in the breed."

Colour mutations are not rare in the dog world. And niether is a colour long-forgotten appearing in a line. It's what happened with white german shepherds. White shepherds started appearing in litters, and when the lines were traced back to old Germany, they found after close examination, that a few white dogs WERE used in the making of the german shepherd dog breed. Also, although not common, golden retrievers have been known to have black blotches covering the body, due to the black dogs used in making the golden retriever breed.

Looks like it's time to bring out the old punnet squares :p