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Pam
11-16-2000, 06:59 AM
I was just wondering about views on "outside dogs." As a child I think I observed more outside dogs (dogs who seemed to be outside 24/7 with dog houses, etc.) Right now in my neighborhood there is a black lab who seems to be an outside dog. He has his dog house and seems to be outside whenever I go by. Personally, I am very puzzled why anyone would keep a dog outside. I think it is probably more prevalent in rural areas and maybe they are used for "protection." Couldn't a dog "protect" his family just as well from a nice spot inside by the fire? Maybe different parts of the country, or even different countries, see this differently than I do. I have grown up with dogs being very much a fixture INSIDE the home. Why have a dog at all if he must live his life outside? Anyone have any views?

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karen israel
11-16-2000, 07:40 AM
I often thought the same thing! The neighbors across the street keep their Rottie outside, roped (or chained) to a tree and the poor thing just barks his head off! He snarls when anyone passes, esp; with dogs, I never see the owners walk him. Even very late at night they leave him out, even when it drizzles (ok they take him in when it rains)Not only do I feel sorry for the dog but why have a protection dog if he's outside all the time? The only reason I don't call the Humane Society is that I know they will know it's me and I really don't want to start anything in our very nice, friendly neighborhood. It is a big issue. My Cody is outside alot, but usually with somebody. The interaction is inside, play is outside. I guess it depends on the dog and location. Just my thoughts, as well

lhg0962
11-16-2000, 09:07 AM
There are a lot of people who are fanatics about not having dog or cat hair and mess in their homes. I have to wonder why in the world someone would bother to get a dog if they are going to chain them to a tree. Someone finally stole a cocker spaniel down the street from me that stayed tied to a tree 100% of the time. I have to admit, I was delighted!
My dogs are only indoors when we are at home. They are still quite mischievious, so I can't trust them when I'm not here. On very rare occasions (like storms), I may choose to leave them indoors when I am not here. They love to lie in the sunshine and run laps around the yard, but I can't imagine having them and not enjoying them inside. Yes, I have to vacuum and sweep more often, but I love having them around me. http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif That's my two cents worth. By the way, Karen, I'd have a hard time seeing that dog chained up everyday. Doesn't it just kill you to see him? http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/frown.gif

karen israel
11-16-2000, 10:26 AM
Yes, especially at night, when I can only see a bedroom light on, maybe the back porch light. (They have a small dog that stays inside) They used to walk it, but Cody is cool, calm,collected compared to this dog. I keep expecting the rope or chain to break cause the dog runs back and forth when he sees anyone, esp: me and Cody and I can hear the friction against the tree. This is why Rotts get a bad rap..wouldn't you be ballistic if you were tied up all the time? I just can't understand either WHY people get dogs if they can't enjoy it's company. I wish I could be with Cody 24/7!

Sudilar
11-16-2000, 10:34 AM
Karen, don't you wish there was something else you could do for that poor dog!! It would kill me to see him like that!! http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/frown.gif

My dogs are inside dogs. Killian (the older rescue) wants to be where I am although lately he's been staying outside with Shiloh (younger rescue) a bit more. Shiloh likes to be outside in the course of the day. She loves to run around and play frisbee. Neither use the doghouse built for them, we use it for storage now! http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/smile.gif On snowy days, though, neither of them want to come in. They love plowing into the snow drifts, rolling in it and just running around! I would never consider having them be "outside dogs". They even sleep on my bed!!

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Sudilar
11-16-2000, 10:39 AM
Many years ago, there was a dog in my Mom's neighborhood that was left out in the yard all day long. She would bring the dog over to her house during the day and give her some attention. She even went so far as to buying the dog a doghouse for its own yard and she told the neighbors that they should take care of her more. My Mom would feed her and give her water. I think that the dog ran away after a while..... http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/smile.gif

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Smilla
11-16-2000, 12:37 PM
The people I've known that have kept their dogs outside (with a doghouse) never struck me as true "dog people". I wouldn't have called them mean-hearted, it was just that the dog always seemed a sort of accessory or work animal for them, rather than a pet. In my house, pets have always been family members. We wouldn't have dreamed of keeping Grandma out on the porch, so the poodle wasn't kept there either!

However, I just can't fathom not giving a dog some sort of roof over his head--that's cruelty.

Rottie
11-16-2000, 12:45 PM
I think there are lots of reasons why people keep their dogs outside. I personally think that most dogs belong inside, but people can come up with lists of excuses....

the dog hair
for protection
he's just a farm dog
doesn't have any manners

and it goes on and on

Of couse, if you brush, you won't have as much hair, a dog can protect just as well inside as well as out (if that's what you want it to do), and a little training will solve the "no manners" part. Some people just don't understand dogs and have never been educated about them.

karen israel
11-16-2000, 01:11 PM
Right! I mean, Cody LOVES outside, in the spring and summer(xcept when it's stifling hot of course) and fall when it's still light, he'll sit on the porch (dbl long leash around banister but he can move around freely)alone for a short time or with a family member. But it's for a short time. He misses being inside where the action is-doesn't want to miss a thing! There's a difference between deserting the dog ALL DAY and playing outside. Smilla's right, you wouldn't do that to your grandma or kid. My very strong sentiment has been, if you can't enjoy your dog, spend time with it, take responsibility DON'T get a dog!

carrie
11-16-2000, 01:39 PM
Keeping the dogs in and the kids inside?......Now there's a thought!!

dogncatluvr
11-16-2000, 01:44 PM
My parents' neighbors have 2 Border Collie crosses that are outside all the time, never get walked, so are in the back yard day and night. The bark almost constantly. My parents have to tell them to be quiet. When the owners are home they give these dogs no attention at all. I feel so sorry for these poor puppers. We always joke (seriously) that they're telling our dogs they want to live on our side of the fence. They would have a much better life.

karen israel
11-16-2000, 01:56 PM
Carrie caught me again! http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif When I wrote the last post I was thinking that some people would love to put their kids out for the day, and I did live next to people that did that..except..THEN they got a dog to keep the kids company outside!!! http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif

Pam
11-16-2000, 05:11 PM
Well it seems unanimous. Dogs are family members and should not have to spend their time outside alone and in all kinds of weather. I liked the statement about "keeping Grandma out on the porch?" http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/smile.gif That sort of says it all!! If people don't want the hair, etc. then they should probably re-think dog ownership. I guess it's sort of like people that have barn cats. Having two precious kitties of my own, I could never imagine the life of a barn cat. My guys are so spoiled and I think they know it but they give so much love in return. How can a pet and their owner having a loving relationship if they never interact! Thanks for all of the viewpoints!

samualjcat
11-16-2000, 06:57 PM
I have 3 dogs, 2 boxers and a shepherd/husky X. When the weather is nice, summer & early fall esp., all of them prefer to be outside. When they're in the house I don't move far from the door: in..out..in..out. However when it is cold or rainy the boxers come in the house most of the time. During the day they still want to be out. Even during the cold of winter the shepherd likes to be outside. She comes in to visit but gets overheated very fast. They all bark alot but then I live in the midst of farm/dairy country so there is so much to talk about. They aren't ignored and are very much a part of the family.

Pam
11-16-2000, 07:45 PM
Samualjcat I am not really talking about dogs like yours. Your dogs love the outside (as all dogs do) but there is a time to bring them inside which you do. I am thinking of the poor dogs who live their whole lives outside and only come in when it's absolutely frigid outside. Some owners think a dog house is a suitable place for a dog to live and a sufficient fortress against the cold. Fortunately I haven't seen much of that lately but I can remember as a child seeing dogs chained in yards by their dog houses and out in all kinds of weather. I don't really see those dogs as getting to play much of a part in the lives of their "people" and I think that's sad. http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/frown.gif (and cruel!)

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KYS
11-16-2000, 08:05 PM
Karen,

To bad you can not report them, but I am
not even shure if chaining up a dog is even illegal in some counties, as long as their fed,have some type of shelter,not beaten and their barking does not
disturb the neighbors. http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/frown.gif
I feel so much safer with my dogs inside at night. My dogs are pretty spoiled.
The minute I get home from work,
They all want to come in and watch T.V. with me and get belly rubs.

ktreva52
11-16-2000, 09:20 PM
In Indiana, the law states that any dog tied up outside must be on a 12' tieout with a dog house and water. What a lot of these people do not realize is that while the dog is outside, it has taken the role of alpha in its "territory" and that causes a lot of problems. Especially if there are kids in the neightborhood that aggravate the animal.
When I was young, we kept the dogs outside because they were "outside animals" (according to my father). That changed when my mother got a Samoyed from a woman at church who had always been inside, so Sam had to be inside and they've had nothing but indoor dogs since. As for the "manners" thing, a little basic obedience will cure that, but I suspect that most of these people consider dogs "just animals with fur coats" and have no clue that dogs have emotions or feelings. Of course, most people think I'm crazed to believe that, but I've seen it in their eyes and actions and thought about it a lot since I started teaching obedience. All my dogs have been indoor dogs and I just can hardly stand the thought of those dogs outside all the time. They get lonely and destructive and miss the security of the pack so much. What's the sense???????

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Smilla
11-16-2000, 09:41 PM
My parents' dogs love going outside as well, but when they want in, they want in! Katie has managed to tear a hole in a couple of the screen doors, and has learned to wrap a fat paw around the opening and bang the door when she wants in.

There is so much activity with dogs going in and out at my parents' house, that my sister and I ended up buying the same shirt as a Christmas present last year--luckily, for different parents. It can be found at signals.com and says, "Agenda for the Day: Let dog in, let dog out, let dog in, let dog out".

One of MY favorite shirts, by the way, is one that confesses (albeit, in French), "J' embrasse mon chein sur la bouche!" (Translation: I kiss my dog on the mouth!) I always get strange looks when I wear it, and I'm never sure whether it's because the people don't know French...or do.

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teena
11-17-2000, 09:03 AM
I would feel so guilty leaving my dogs outside all the time. My two have their choice of inside or outside during the day and seem to prefer the comfort of the couch http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif I couldn't imagine looking out my sliding glass door with those pitiful faces staring in at me.

RachelJ
11-17-2000, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Smilla:


One of MY favorite shirts, by the way, is one that confesses (albeit, in French), "J' embrasse mon chein sur la bouche!" (Translation: I kiss my dog on the mouth!) I always get strange looks when I wear it, and I'm never sure whether it's because the people don't know French...or do.

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Smilla, Where did you get that one? I have got to have it.

Smilla
11-17-2000, 09:35 AM
Rachel,

I got it through "Signals" too (their magazine), though it was years ago--like seven. I seem to recall trying to order one for my sister a couple of years later and they no longer had it, though the woman I spoke to said it had been very popular. It might be worth a call to them if you're interested--maybe they've resurrected it.

They had shirts for "mon chat" too, and I think a couple of other animals. My shirt is grey with aqua lettering, and has a picture of a little scottie dog on it...wearing a beret!

Try signals.com for Contact Information.


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dukiemom
11-17-2000, 08:32 PM
I clipped this out of a newspaper years ago:
Alone Again...
I wish someone would tell me what it is
That I've done wrong.
Why I have to stay chained up and
Left alone so long.
They seemed so glad to have me when
I came here as a pup.
There were so many things we'd do
While I was growing up.
They couldn't wait to train me as a
Companion and a friend.
And told me how they'd never fear
Being left alone again.
The children said they'd feed me and
Brush me every day.
They'd play with me and walk me
If I could only stay.
But now the famiy "Hasn't Time"
They often said I shed.
They do not want me in the house
Not even to be fed.
The children never walk me
They always say, "NOT NOW!"
I wish that I could please them
Won't someone tell me how?
All I had, you see, was love,
I wish they would explain
Whey they said they wanted me
Then left me on a chain?
Anonymous

Pam
11-17-2000, 09:33 PM
Beautiful poem DukieMom!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing it. It was lovely and so true! http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/smile.gif

karen israel
11-20-2000, 01:37 PM
EXACTLY!! SOB! SOB! WEEP! WEEP! SNIFFLE! SNIFFLE!

strawberry_puff13
11-22-2000, 11:36 AM
A lot of people keep their dogs outside, not because they're mean, because the dog is to destructive, large, or one of numerous other reasons.
We have an inside dog--he's a Chihuahua/Pikenese mix, but when he wants outside we let him out. We also have an outside dog, she's a German Shepherd. We kept her inside until she was about 8 months old and she loved it outside http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/biggrin.gif In the winter when it's cold we let her come in at night, but she goes out the next morning.
Mabey when she's older and calms down some we can bring her in more often, but not until then.
We leave her out mostly because she is a guard dog. We live in the woods, and robberies and break-ins have been reported where we live http://PetoftheDay.com/talk/mad.gif Inside she would never know if someone was out side thinking about coming in.
Our small dog stays inside because he small and we wouldn't want a cyote or bear to get him( we have seen them)!
We'll thats all I have to say!