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cocker_luva
04-25-2003, 07:11 PM
What breed of dog do you think is the most reconized as the "most dangerous?":mad: :mad: :mad:

Also I noticed that even though Great Danes are HUGE they aren't considered "dangerous"? Because all the time I hear someone saying 'that dog is big, it must be dangerous, stay away!' But size doesn't matter!:mad:

cocker_luva
04-25-2003, 07:15 PM
If you chose 'other' please post the other breed. thanks:)

primabella
04-25-2003, 07:24 PM
I do not consider them dangerous but I voted for the Pit Bull. I know that most people who hear Pit Bull, automatically thinks "dangerous"

I know that when my friend said she was getting a Rottie and I mentionned it to my dad he told me he didn't liek the idea of me going over there :rolleyes:

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 07:25 PM
WHAT THE HECK KIND OF THREAD IS THIS?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


NO dog is dangerous, just the dumb moronic stupid idiotic people. :mad: :mad: :mad:

slleipnir
04-25-2003, 07:28 PM
I agree with KayAnn, its not the dogs that are dangerous...its the owners that make them that way! Thats why pits have such a bad rep, Ive seen shows on them and they're naturally sweet dogs..thats just one for example..

primabella
04-25-2003, 07:32 PM
What breed of dog do you think is the most reconized as the "most dangerous?"

keyword : Recognized

Of course, I agree no dog is dangerous..just their owners that make them that way. But she did not ask what kind of dogs are dangerous. Just which are recognized as dangerous dogs. In other words...which have the bad reps? (at least that's what I got out of it :rolleyes: )

slleipnir
04-25-2003, 07:34 PM
Im sorry prima :rolleyes: I didn't mean that as I was pointing it at you, I was just using it as an example cause a lot of ppl do actually think that :rolleyes:

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 07:36 PM
The only reason there are dogs with bad reps or are recognized as dangerous is because of the specific dog owners whom train their animals to be dangerous, aggressive and unpredictable. Therefor, the only dangerous breed is the Human.

primabella
04-25-2003, 07:36 PM
I didn't take it badly at all. I'm just trying to clear up what she was saying(if I understood it right) . :p

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 07:37 PM
Oh yes, I voted other.

Other: The Human.

slleipnir
04-25-2003, 07:38 PM
I know lol, I understood what you said too, but it kinda soundly like you thought I ment you thought that or something, when I ment it as a generalization :)

primabella
04-25-2003, 07:40 PM
No. lol, okay. It's all cleared up now...;)

Uh..I think maybe the title of the thread should be changed to "which dog has the worst rep" or something. I feel bad now because I didn't mean to say Pits are dangerous dogs. Just looked upon as such...

gkristian
04-25-2003, 08:59 PM
I think any breed can be dangerous. It depends on the people that it has grown up in and how it's been trained. If a dog has been trained to be a family dog it won't be dangerous but if a dog has been trained for fighting and if it doesn't obay it's oner then watch out

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 09:12 PM
Exactly gkristian!!

primabella
04-25-2003, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by gkristian
I think any breed can be dangerous. It depends on the people that it has grown up in and how it's been trained. If a dog has been trained to be a family dog it won't be dangerous but if a dog has been trained for fighting and if it doesn't obay it's oner then watch out

I agree

Cheshirekatt
04-25-2003, 09:32 PM
A good example of dangerous:

That moron couple in San Fran that had the Presa's. I can't believe the irresponsibility and stupidity of those people. To have two huge, aggressive fighting dogs in an apartment! And they basically let them kill that poor neighbor of theirs. To me that's plain murder. They should be put away for life.

Now whether the people were stupid or the dogs were dangerous? I think it was a little of both. I love dogs, and I don't like to see them euthanized but I think those dogs were a danger and should have been put down sooner than they were.

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 09:40 PM
But how did these dogs get like?? The moron owner!

Cheshirekatt
04-25-2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Kfamr
But how did these dogs get like?? The moron owner!

Probably true....but that fact is that they were dangerous. Once a dog is dangerous how they got that way is a moot point IMHO. Some of those fighting mastiffs like that, they've got some sort of wild dog bred into them. It's like trying to keep a tiger in an apartment and calling it a pet. They're not all the way domesticated.

tikeyas_mom
04-25-2003, 11:17 PM
I think a dog can only be dangeriouse if they are raised to be, no excuses. I voted for pitbulls because they are soo labbeled these days but did you know : you are more likely to be bitten by a Golden retriever then a pit bull? I did, I did. It was prooven ... I herd on the dog show highlighting breeds.

iceyshiver21
04-25-2003, 11:21 PM
I say that I have a rotty and heres what the people do- :eek:

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 11:37 PM
People are dangerous. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 11:42 PM
http://www.pitbullregistry.com/Bruins%20PitBull


So dangerous, huh?

Kfamr
04-25-2003, 11:43 PM
Threads like this are only going to make people think badly of the most voted breed. :mad: :(

anna_66
04-26-2003, 08:28 AM
I voted with you KayAnn: other-humans

lovemyshiba
04-26-2003, 08:56 AM
Kayann--what a cute picture!!!!!!:D :D :D

I voted for Presa Canario, only because of that case in California--I realize that they focus of this poll is a breed that people may hear of or see and immediately think it is dangerous.

I also agree that it is always the human's fault--a dog is not born mean or nasty--people make them that way!!!!!

iceyshiver21
04-26-2003, 09:05 AM
Its their abdulaomlagota.

primabella
04-26-2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Kfamr
http://www.pitbullregistry.com/Bruins%20PitBull


So dangerous, huh?

Oh yeah, so dangerous. :rolleyes:

I don't *think* this thread will affect anyone's opinion on a dog breed. All it is asking which dog has the worst rep. Not which one you hate. Unless some silly people take it to heart...

cocker_luva
04-26-2003, 12:07 PM
Yea! I LOOOOOOVE pit bulls thank you very much kfamr!:mad: They are my most favorite breed of dog!:D You shouldn't judge people "who make threads like this" unless you know them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: I agree with primabella, it was only which one had the baddest rep.!

SnowballPuppieDog
04-26-2003, 03:27 PM
i really dont think any breed is dangrous it is just that the way that they were brought up maybe their owner was abusive to the dog then the dog might be just as bad because they might think that every person is like that......... i just think it is the way they are treated.

Kfamr
04-26-2003, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by cocker_luva
Yea! I LOOOOOOVE pit bulls thank you very much kfamr!:mad: They are my most favorite breed of dog!:D You shouldn't judge people "who make threads like this" unless you know them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: I agree with primabella, it was only which one had the baddest rep.!

I never said you didn't now did i? I never said i was judging YOU. Did i? I don't know you, i don't care to know you. And i though you loved cockers? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

cocker_luva
04-27-2003, 10:29 AM
what? am i not allowed to love more than one dog?!?:confused: :(

mugsy
04-27-2003, 10:44 AM
I voted other also and agree with KayAnn and Anna. Humans are the most dangerous. Actually, I'll amend that....STUPID humans are the most dangerous.

Also, if you are looking for the dog that is most likely to bite, I'm sorry cockerlover....it's the Cocker Spaniel.

KayAnn, I love the picture. Do you know the kid and the dog?

Cheshirekatt
04-27-2003, 11:04 AM
Here's another cute pitty/kid pic.

KYS
04-27-2003, 11:12 AM
I voted "other" for humans too. :(

Tina
04-27-2003, 12:00 PM
I didn't vote. But I think human's are the problem and are dangerous not dogs.

*I tried to get it through my husband's thick headed mind but he don't believe me. I said something about a Doberman and he was like oh they are mean. They were bred to be mean. I was like no the most certainly were not!* He just doesn't get it. I even said something about Rottie's but he just acts like they are mean. If I got one my mom would probably be to scared to visit or my grandma *ugh* I wish I could get it through their heads. Its not the dogs fault it is the human's that own them.

Kfamr
04-27-2003, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by cocker_luva
what? am i not allowed to love more than one dog?!?:confused: :(

I NEVER said that either, stop putting words in my mouth/typing, whatever.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:




Molly- Nope, i don't know them. I found it on a cute Pit site that had a bunch of pics of kids and pits. :D

anna_66
04-27-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Tina
If I got one my mom would probably be to scared to visit or my grandma *ugh*
When we got our first chow my mom goes, those are supposed to be one of the most vicous (sp?) dogs, then we we got our rottie, she says the same thing.
This was all before she met them, now she has a rottie of her own and my dad would love to have a chow:p

Tina
04-27-2003, 04:58 PM
Well actually my mom would probably be alright after awhile. But I'm not sure about my grandma though. She's just always kinda been afraid of big dogs. But she may be alright after I show her what sweethearts they can be.

When I lived with my mom and dad they had a chow also. But everyone was afraid of him. And no one would go around him. He was sweet in his own way. I loved him so much.

The biggest thing is to change dear hubby's mind. I really like Dobermans and Rotties. I'd really love to have one maybe sometime in the near future. Specially a Doberman. I've always liked them I meet a real sweetheart of a Doberman last year at our state fair. He wanted me to keep on petting him and giving him attention:)

Desert Arabian
04-28-2003, 06:25 AM
cocker_luva- nope Great Danes are not dangerous. They are one of the best breeds to have around small children. They are called "gentle giants"- I think they are called that for a reason.

I vote for humans, too. I hate idiots who give breeds a bad rep.!!!

cocker_luva
04-28-2003, 03:44 PM
yea their called that for a very good reason! :D :D :D

stacwase
04-30-2003, 02:17 PM
You know, I'm actually taking advantage of the reputation of Rottweilers and German Shepherds.

I didn't only pick Max out because of his awesome personality. I travel 3 days a week, on average, and when I'm away from home I'm alone at night. So I wanted a big, scary-looking dog! The only reason Max is "scary-looking" is because people have heard bad things about Shepherds and Rotts.

Max is awesome - and he'd never hurt anybody. But nobody else knows that! I've got him walking at my hip on a loose lead already, and when people see him behaving so well they think "Wow - I wonder what else he's trained to do?" So without actually being vicious, he can keep me safe because of his reputation.

So - there is one positive aspect of dogs having a bad rep!



Here's a photo of my "dangerous dog" listening to country music. As soon as he hears it, that ear goes straight up. Otherwise it lies down. Cute, huh?!http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p9823a03fe4f1253f77b4df233939f5e3/fc3d72be.jpg.thumb.jpg

Cheshirekatt
04-30-2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by stacwase
You know, I'm actually taking advantage of the reputation of Rottweilers and German Shepherds.

I didn't only pick Max out because of his awesome personality. I travel 3 days a week, on average, and when I'm away from home I'm alone at night. So I wanted a big, scary-looking dog! The only reason Max is "scary-looking" is because people have heard bad things about Shepherds and Rotts.

Max is awesome - and he'd never hurt anybody. But nobody else knows that! I've got him walking at my hip on a loose lead already, and when people see him behaving so well they think "Wow - I wonder what else he's trained to do?" So without actually being vicious, he can keep me safe because of his reputation.

So - there is one positive aspect of dogs having a bad rep!

That's one of the reasons we got Buford! There have been some dogs stolen in our neighborhood and I was worried about my pittys. I didn't want them to end up as bait dogs for fighters. Buford is a big, scary looking bullmastiff mix that won't let anyone in the yard. I can leave him in the truck and not lock the doors, but I'd never do that with my pittys. They'd leterally leap into another car and ride off with someone! Isn't it ironic? I had to get another dog to guard my *vicious* pit bulls. Hehe.

stacwase
04-30-2003, 02:49 PM
I'm sure Max would leap into any vehicle with an open door! It's a good thing people automatically think he's mean!

stacwase
04-30-2003, 02:50 PM
By the way, Cheshire, you should post some photos of those dogs of yours! Especially the bullmastiff.

Cheshirekatt
04-30-2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by stacwase
By the way, Cheshire, you should post some photos of those dogs of yours! Especially the bullmastiff.

Here's all three of them together. Buford is quite a bit bigger now.

Cheshirekatt
04-30-2003, 03:22 PM
Here's Buford with flour all over his face. :)

primabella
04-30-2003, 03:30 PM
Too cute :D

stacwase
04-30-2003, 03:39 PM
AWESOME dogs, Cheshire! I love how they all match. ;) Buford is a really cool name. They all look like they're different sizes of the same breeds. I never realized how much pit bulls and bull mastiffs looked the same.

Cheshirekatt
04-30-2003, 03:59 PM
Thanks! Buford is a mix.....we're not sure what with. Definately bullmastiff, but he's kinda lanky like a pointer. Well, and he really likes to point at the squirrels. Hehe. He might even be part pit bull, who knows. *shrug* I know, we have one of each size.....now we just need a brindle old english mastiff or great dane. :)

Dakota's Mommy
05-01-2003, 12:01 PM
Personally I think that any dog can be considered dangerous if they are not raised properly! I think the reason that Pits are considered so dangerous is because of their lock jaw thing, at least that's how people make it sound to me that they're scared of them. But, it's not the particular breed, it's all in how they're raised and if the owner trains them properly. Some breeds are harder to do this with, but that shouldn't make them more dangerous, just that the owner needs to realize that and take the responsible action of working with that breeds particular needs!

As for Danes being big but not considered dangerous, of course I have a feeling on this one. All the danes that I've been around are the biggest babies in the world. The only way they'd hurt anything is if their family or somebody they really are close to is threatened by somebody they don't know or if they accidentally knock a child over by being clumbsy and bumping into them! At least that's the temperment of the Danes I've been around! Dakota is the Biggest Baby in the world!

Kfamr
05-01-2003, 04:25 PM
Pit Bulls don't have a lock jaw, that's a myth.

cocker_luva
05-01-2003, 04:48 PM
i heard about that myth too, but its been awhile since i've heard it. i forgot all about it.:p

IttyBittyKitty
05-02-2003, 05:56 AM
They may look menacing, but they are the silliest and most whimsical dog around! The only threat they would pose is licking you to death, or making you laugh so hard at their playful antics that you have a coronary!

I am glad no one has voted for them as yet! I am of the belief that while some breeds are more susceptible to violent and dangerous behaviours, it is really down to the owners and how they treat and train the dog.

Dakota's Mommy
05-02-2003, 10:14 AM
Pit Bulls don't have a lock jaw, that's a myth.

Okay, my bad, I was wrong! I didn't know it was just a myth as I really haven't researched the breed. Still being a myth though, that's what a lot of people think and it seems to be the reason that I've heard a lot of them say they're dangerous, that's all I meant!

wolfsoul
05-02-2003, 10:31 AM
I believe that pit bulls have the most capability to be the most dangerous, but that pit bulls aren't dangerous unless they are trained to be or weren't trained at all.

Pit bulls are the only breed of dog who have the capability to move their back jaws back and forth when they are clamped down on something, so they can shred prey without any effort. They have the third strongest jaws on earth, surpassing the once-third strongest, the wolf. Their jaws make an impression of 2500 pounds per square inch. That's like dropping a car on yourself.

I don't believe pit bulls are bad at all, and I know that all dogs have the capability to be dangerous, but I believe that if trained to do so, the pit bull could be the most dangerous breed :(

Ittybittykitty, lol, boxers are so funny! I have friends who have them, and they make terrible guard dogs even! They have such funny personalities, they are such cuties :)

Karen
05-02-2003, 10:47 AM
I think people are also more scared of black dogs. Our Great Dane mix, Gracie, was also 1/4 lab, and was black with a white Taj Mahal on her chest and white toes (with black spots).

When she was a pup, my Dad made the mistake of playing with the leash with her. So she Looooooved "Attack the leash" and whenever we were standing still waiting, a mere flick of the wrist would begin the game. She would growl and snarl and bite at the leash, and have a good old time.

Gracie and I went with my mom to the mall one day, it was going to be a quick trip, so Gracie and I stayed outside the mall, just on the sidewalk. After a little while we got bored, so started playing. Well, it wasn't long before people started to approach, mind you this meant they'd stand 10 feet away and shout "Uh, do you need help?" They completely missed the happily wagging whip-tail, and thought this beast of a black dog was attacking ME!

Far more people were afraid of our black dogs than our tan/brown ones.

Dobes, Rotties - they're big black dogs!

Humans are the most dangerous.

anna_66
05-02-2003, 01:54 PM
When we went to the pet store the other day, she was just the best doggie, she didn't rush up to people or anything, she just went about her own business (even while we were checking out:) )
A couple of people asked if she was a chow, I said yes. But noone wanted to get close to her:( They even kept their kids at a distance.

mugsy
05-02-2003, 02:05 PM
Actually, all the hype about pits and their jaws (locking and shredding) are myths borne out of people being stupid and then people just accept it as fact until it becomes such.

Anna, people do the same thing with Vonney since he's a Chow mix and you should see them when we walk in with Serenity.

lizbud
05-02-2003, 03:00 PM
Wolfsoul,

Why post your opinions as facts ?

Quote: "Pit bulls are the only breed of dog who have the capability to move their back jaws back and forth when they are clamped down on something, so they can shred prey without any effort. They have the third strongest jaws on earth, surpassing the once-third strongest, the wolf. Their jaws make an impression of 2500 pounds per square inch. That's like dropping a car on yourself"

Check out some real facts here;

http://www.realpitbull.com/myths.html

wolfsoul
05-02-2003, 03:18 PM
Actually I just did research and realized that it was a myth :) Sorry 'bout that, I don't even know where I got that other info


Why post your opinions as facts ?

Why wouldn't I??? I'm only stating the fact that a dog that is stronger is more capable of being harmful. I'm not dissing the breed, I truly love pitbulls, I'm just saying, that like a person, a strong one would surpass a weaker one in a physical battle.

bnormal
05-02-2003, 04:08 PM
how do you spell chi- wha - wha?

Got to be the meanest dog on the planet!!!

Just kidding!

Treat a dog with hate and be mean to it and guess what?

It will be a mean dog that hates everyone.

Dobermans are pussy cats!

Tina, doesn't sound like your husband wants a dog.

Humans are by far the meanest, dastardly and deadliest species on the globe.

See the attached pic for one of the meanest, deadliest, scary dobermans ever created:

Tina
05-02-2003, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by bnormal


Tina, doesn't sound like your husband wants a dog.



If he didn't want a dog we would not have 3 of them already 1 that was his before we were married. Its not that he doesn't like dogs. He loves our dogs more then he wants anyone to know. He just said that were Doberman's were mean. I don't know if he meant it or not. Most of the time he gives me a hard time because he knows how much I love animals. We are planning on getting a fourth dog. But we are not sure which breed or mix we want yet. We have been talking about different dogs. He said that he wants another dog but we just need to talk about it and research some breeds is all.

bnormal
05-02-2003, 04:31 PM
well, exsccccccccccccuseeeeeeeee me...:D

Tina
05-02-2003, 04:32 PM
Sorry if I sounded rude, I don't think I did. I was just telling you that he does want another dog. What is so rude about that? Again I'm sorry:( :confused:

bnormal
05-02-2003, 04:34 PM
Tina, not at all...btw, what part of WVA you from?

I grew up in the Wheeling area

Tina
05-02-2003, 04:36 PM
I'm from Union it is in Monroe County. Not sure if you've heard of it or not? Its a pretty small town. I don't know if you've heard of Beckley or not either I'm like 2 hours from there?

Cheshirekatt
05-02-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by wolfsoul
Pit bulls are the only breed of dog who have the capability to move their back jaws back and forth when they are clamped down on something, so they can shred prey without any effort. They have the third strongest jaws on earth, surpassing the once-third strongest, the wolf. Their jaws make an impression of 2500 pounds per square inch. That's like dropping a car on yourself.

Ok, that's one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen. Where did you find this? The PETA web site? :D By quoting this you yourself are feeding the anti-pitbull flames. It's pure propaganda and I hope people don't believe everything they read on the internet. I wish I hadn't had to quote it in my message, but it wouldn't have make sense without it. :p

The most informative web site I've ever found is Diane Jessup's site at www.theworkingpitbull.com She has actual facts on there.

Kfamr
05-02-2003, 05:55 PM
Wolfsoul- you should read this site pit bulls for dummies (http://pitbulls.jentown.com/index.html)

wolfsoul
05-02-2003, 05:58 PM
I already corrected myself and apoligized right after.. I read that on some site...Then I did some more research and found other sites that say it's a myth..Read what I wrote after that please

I'm not changing my opinion, I think that all breeds of dog are dangerous, but that the strongest has the most capability. I never said pitbulls are the most dangerous because they aren't, I'm just saying that they are capable.

Kfamr
05-02-2003, 06:00 PM
:rolleyes:

Cheshirekatt
05-02-2003, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by wolfsoul
I already corrected myself and apoligized right after.. I read that on some site...Then I did some more research and found other sites that say it's a myth..Read what I wrote after that please

I'm not changing my opinion, I think that all breeds of dog are dangerous, but that the strongest has the most capability. I never said pitbulls are the most dangerous because they aren't, I'm just saying that they are capable.

I agree. All dogs have teeth, therefore all dogs could be considered dangerous. Personally I think a rabid yorkie would be more dangerous than most pittys. LOL And it's not that I dislike yorkies or anything I just wanted to pick a tiny dog and couldn't remember how to spell chihuahua(sp?). :D And it's not that I dislike chi's either...... *grin*

wolfsoul
05-02-2003, 09:17 PM
I agree. All dogs have teeth, therefore all dogs could be considered dangerous. Personally I think a rabid yorkie would be more dangerous than most pittys. LOL And it's not that I dislike yorkies or anything I just wanted to pick a tiny dog and couldn't remember how to spell chihuahua(sp?). And it's not that I dislike chi's either...... *grin*

Heehee...and I suppose a dog with rabies would have to be the most dangerous :p

I feel like people think I'm dissing pitties, but I'm not..:(..They are one of my favourite breeds (although one of them scared the cr*p out of me this morning..lol ran after me :eek: ) It's like this; Timber would be more dangerous than a maltese. Obviously she's alot stronger. Even though I know she wouldn't be a dangerous dog, she is very capable of it. That was all I was saying, I hate to see eyes rolled at me :(

Kfamr
05-02-2003, 09:59 PM
:rolleyes:

wolfsoul
05-02-2003, 10:06 PM
:(:(:(

Why do you enjoy hurting my feelings???

Cheshirekatt
05-02-2003, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by wolfsoul
Heehee...and I suppose a dog with rabies would have to be the most dangerous :p

I feel like people think I'm dissing pitties, but I'm not..:(..They are one of my favourite breeds (although one of them scared the cr*p out of me this morning..lol ran after me :eek: ) It's like this; Timber would be more dangerous than a maltese. Obviously she's alot stronger. Even though I know she wouldn't be a dangerous dog, she is very capable of it. That was all I was saying, and I hate to see eyes rolled at me.

Don't worry I understood what you meant. I was just hoping people don't believe everything they read on the internet as 98% of it is crap. :)

wolfsoul
05-02-2003, 10:11 PM
Don't worry I understood what you meant. I was just hoping people don't believe everything they read on the internet as 98% of it is crap.

Thanks :)

Yeah, alot of it is junk :p

cocker_luva
05-03-2003, 11:41 AM
in my opinion any dog that is angry, furious and upset becomes twice as strong, that is only my opinion though.

*LabLoverKEB*
05-04-2003, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Kfamr
WHAT THE HECK KIND OF THREAD IS THIS?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


NO dog is dangerous, just the dumb moronic stupid idiotic people. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Agreed!:)

cocker_luva
05-04-2003, 07:53 PM
i didn't mean that which dog is the most dangerous, i meant which dog IS LOOKED AT AS BEING MOST DANGEROUS. u must not have read all the posts, since i have already explained that! :mad: :mad: :mad: duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!