Why is Cheeko so difficult.. ughhh [Archive]

Jessica12345

04-01-2003, 07:33 PM

CathyBogart

04-01-2003, 07:36 PM

Just have patience. Every animal moves at their own pace. Keep in mind all the things PCB has told you and be patient with him.

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 07:46 PM

first of all... calm down and do not get frusterated with him. Have you talked to him softly and sung to him calmly while he is in his cage? and i would suggest giving him his very favorite treats while he is on your hand... that way he wants to visit you. does he like the spray mists? make sure he does like them, otherwise dont give it to him. Are you quiet and gentle when your around him? he could get startled and hiss at you. it will take time. maybe a lot of time from the sounds of it. but whatever you do, dont give up. leave his cage open and sit near it (not to close) and dont make eye contact with him. predators stare. wait and wait... until he calms down a little. talk to him softly without looking... and maybe he will come out. you could do this every day. good luck.

I am calm..

I cant help but get frusterated with him, he hates me.

yes I have talked to him softly and slowly I have sung to him, whist;led to him EVERYTHING well he is in his cage. he just hisses at me..

He hates all treats I give him. he hates millet sprey and also thoughs honey treats to.

the only thing I know he likes is mist preys because he stretches out and grooms himself.

yes I am quiet and gentel when I am around him ..

If I even go near his cage he isses and bites the bars tryign to get at me.

I hasve left his cage open for days at a time and He wont come out. he only likes his cage.

befor I goto school I leave his cage open and him and Spenky stay in their cage the whole day, it is pointless.

I am soo frusterated. I dont know wha I am doing wronge, my birds are just untameable, I guess. .

Just have patience. Every animal moves at their own pace. Keep in mind all the things PCB has told you and be patient with him.

Well If you can tell me that it took you 2 years to get to kow your bird and it still isnt tame. I have been working 4 months trying to tame Spanky, hes a totaly different story, he is just phyco path bird, he flys into walsl and EVERYTHING. I am affraid he'll kill him self from brain damage if I keep on trying to tame him.

They both have their wings clipped by the way.

popcornbirds taticks dont work, for me anyways. I have tryed the sheet thing I have tryed EVERYTHInG... it is hopeless. :(

Jessica12345

04-01-2003, 07:49 PM

does he like veggies? many birds enjoy grapes...

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 07:55 PM

my bird hates veggies and fruits..he pushes them out of the food bowl and onto the ground and then poops on them. :mad: .. He never eats anything nutritious(sp?) he just refuses.

Jessica12345

04-01-2003, 07:56 PM

what have you tried?

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 08:01 PM

what do you mena? with food? or training taticks. ??

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 08:05 PM

these are what I have tryed to feed him...

apple,

grapes,

mango,

cheese,

peach,

aprocoats (sp?),

cellery with peanut butter,

brockolii (sp?)

coliflower,

Bread,

rasins,

carrots,

lettus,

orange slices,

*all the above food were cut very small enough to eat for my tiel, and they were all placed in seperate bowls and were served on different ocasions*

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 08:07 PM

I have also tryed to feed him honeydu, and cantalope..

I think that is about it..

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 09:47 PM

I tryed all you tackticks PCB, they dont work for me. I dotn get frusterated At him. I am more frusterated that I cannnot tame him. :confused: if that makes sence, my mom hates computers and wont join sorry ..

wolf_Q

04-01-2003, 10:18 PM

Why is Cheeko so difficult? If I had to live with somebody like you, I think I'd be pretty difficult and mean too.

I think we need to count how many times PCB has explained to you how to help.....:rolleyes:

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 10:25 PM

Maybe you should stop being so fricking rude, it is really begining to pi$$ing me off, I have done all of her teaching things and they didnt work.

I dont know how many fricking times I have said it but *THEY DONT WORK FOR ME, HER TRAINING TATICKS DONT WORK, THEY DONT WORK, THEY DONT WORK, THEY DONT WORK, THEY DONT WORK*, they might work for her because her birds wernt bitten by a huge male malamute.

:eek:do you got it through your thick head now.. Geeze:eek:

He goes on my hand, and he bites and hisses constantly.

Desert Arabian

04-01-2003, 10:33 PM

Wolf_Q- ROTFPIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.clicksmilie.de/sammlung/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif

I had a Russian Blue rat, Skittles. She passed away back in August 2002 in my arms by the way. Anyhow, for about 3 months straight I would get ripped up by her. I have scars all over my hands and arms from her. She would lunge at me when I walked up to the cage, she would chase me around, everything. Everytime I went to grab her/get by her to grab another rat I would have a small treat in my hand, so she would incorperate my hand with something yummy. It worked, and she turned into the biggest baby ever. The day she died will haunt me forever, because she touched me the deepest of any of the rats. Did I ever give up, did I make posts about her evilness, no.
This is a picture of Skittles (on the right and her daughter Peanut.
http://petoftheday.com/archive/2002/September/29.jpg
Click here to read her story----> Skittles (http://petoftheday.com/archive/2002/September/29.html)

Desert Arabian

04-01-2003, 10:38 PM

How nice, a rabbit killed by a dog, and a bird attacked by a dog. How sweet!! If that happened to me, I'd peck my owners eyes out.

Now...I don't blame the bird...I could relate. I'm sick, I have to go get some Pepto-Bismol.

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 10:39 PM

I am sorry your rat died, but it is different when you are tamming a bird rather then a rodent. WAYY different, Birds are way harder to tame. i tamed so many rats, mice, hamsters, but I could never tame my birds, I guess I am just not a bird person. The reson I posed this was because I wanted to know OTHER ways to tame birds that might work for me. PCB ways didnt work So i have to find another way to train theem that will work.

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 10:41 PM

How nice, a rabbit killed by a dog, and a bird attacked by a dog. How sweet!! If that happened to me, I'd peck my owners eyes out.

You got this all wrong,

Cheeko was bitten befor He was even my bird, he was my moms, I never even played with him, I was like 11. The dog that bit Cheeko was a malamute named Jagger *RIP* and The dog that killed my rabbit was Tikeya *siberian husky* ... It isnt my fault Cheeko got bitten, We wernt even home when it happend.

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 10:50 PM

I dont blam cheeko ither, I just cannot figure out what I can do to help him relate to ppl better.

Maybe I should just leave him be.

NoahsMommy

04-01-2003, 11:10 PM

Um...you said the bird belonged to your mom before you had it. Did your mom live somewhere else??

Your bird sounds VERY unhappy. I would imagine that with all the things that happened at your house, he would be VERY scared. I feel very sorry for him.

He CAN sense any frustration or any negative feelings you have...even when you aren't in the same room. Have you done your research on his breed?

Have you talked to your vet about this?

EDIT: I need to add something. You said your bird hisses. We've had cockatiels my entire life and I've NEVER heard them hiss, ever. That really concerns me your bird is constantly scared. :mad:

Nomilynn

04-01-2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by popcornbird
If this is true, its even MORE your fault. How in the world could you leave home without securing your bird in a safe room when there's a dog in the house?!?!?! :mad:

Birds are NOT difficult to tame. Not at all. This girl I know was the EXACT same as you. She was constantly complaining of how her two 5 year old budgies were mean, would bite, were crazy, wouldn't trust her, and were impossible to tame. I got so fed up with her complaining that I asked if I could visit them. She said sure and I went to their house for just 2 hours. I spent just 2 hours working with her birds (who were btw very sweet and not wild at all as she always said they were) and they were fully tame and playing on her shoulder by the time I went home. People like you seriously don't have a clue of what they are doing and then blame the poor animal. A cockatiel NEVER hisses unless it is frightened. Only a spooked cockatiel will hiss. Your bird is obviously afraid of something. THAT'S why he's hissing. THAT'S why he won't trust you. You aren't helping him to trust you. If I were him and I went through all that he went through, honestly, I wouldn't trust you either. You bird is not impossible to tame. I've tamed over 10 birds of all ages with that method and they ALL got tame. You are not doing it right. A bird like Cheeko that has been through so much needs time. It can tame months to tame such a frightened bird. You do it for one day and start whining that it doesn't work. You do NOT know what you are doing and Cheeko is terrified. Poor baby. I can't imagine how he's feeling and on top of that being accused of being mean and impossible to tame. If you did what I told you to properly, for 2-3 months, EVERYDAY, you should have had a sweetie by now. Unfortunately, you are not willing to spend time with your bird. I feel sorry for him.

Ps. There's no difference in your mom's bird and your bird. You live in the same house with the same animals. Cheeko is a family pet and you are all responsible for his fear and behavior.

PCB, I totally agree with you here. Honestly I think the bird is sensing the frustration and lashing out. My bet is that you could tame this bird no problem. I also agree with the family pet theory, and I think you have hit this bang on. Good post :)

wolf_Q

04-01-2003, 11:16 PM

Good post PCB.

shais_mom

04-01-2003, 11:31 PM

Good Post PCB!
If there ever is any question about care of birds, you are the person to come too. Maybe she should just send Cheeko to you!!! I think that would be the best scenario.
T.M Maybe the reason the wolf_q is rude to you is b/c she along with others sees a pattern to your posts. No reason to be hatey or send hatey messages.

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 11:39 PM

for 2-3 months, EVERYDAY, you should have had a sweetie by now. Unfortunately, you are not willing to spend time with your bird. I feel sorry for him.

Well he's not.

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 11:43 PM

Have you done your research on his breed?

yes.

I dont blame cheeko. Jag was outsidee and he brok through the door and knocked down Cheekos cage.

I also agree with your post PCB,, But I try and try.. nothing works.

My cockatiel hisses at everything, Air, water, the mirror, my, my brothers, my mom, dad, dog, cat, Spanky, his own reflection. He has big issues, i dont know what to do but let him be because palying or tamming him I find maks him more stressed. out.

tikeyas_mom

04-01-2003, 11:44 PM

I am more then willing to spend time with him, today was the first time i didnt. because i am just stressing him out more..

CathyBogart

04-02-2003, 02:48 AM

Why not try and get an avian behaviorist to come over to your house? Buy or at least check out the book "Guide to a Well-Behaved Parrot".

Your original post didn't sound much like a request for help, more like you just wanted to complain about your bird.

There is only one bird at work that I haven't been able to make any progress with from just a few minutes of work three days a week, and I didn't even like birds until just recently.

Maybe you need to give it a rest with him for awhile until you aren't going to go in to working with him expecting him to fail. If you are expecting him to fail, he will. Birds aren't that complicated, they just have a different way of communicating what they're thinking and feeling.

Also: people HAVE been offering you advice IN THIS THREAD, but you keep insisting that you have "tryed" everything that people have suggested!!

CathyBogart

04-02-2003, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
The dog that killed my rabbit was Tikeya *siberian husky*

How is her breed an excuse for you allowing her to be in a situation where she could kill another pet?

My dog is half husky and half Coyote. In most situations this would be a recipe for disaster in my book, but my dog also has been blessed with maternal instinct to the extreme. She actually used to groom my blind Mini Lop doe.

Still, I am never careless enough to leave Star in any situation where she could even inadvertently kill another of my pets, and she is certainly never allowed anywhere near them unsupervised. When I had outdoor rabbits I carefully fenced off their entire portion of the yard, including from the top, because Star is an excellent climber.

Jessica12345

04-02-2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
he is just phyco path bird, he flys into walsl and EVERYTHING. I am affraid he'll kill him self

Maybe I should just leave him be.

ya know i really dont get you.:( :mad:

Logan

04-02-2003, 07:17 AM

When any animal shows fear, whether it be a dog, cat, bird, whatever, it takes a lot of patience to turn that fear around. We have two fearful animals in our house, our Golden Retriever, Honey, and our Cockatiel, Milly. We have learned to cautiously approach them, not to startle them, and provide them the calmest best environment that we can. I don't think Milly or Honey will ever be truly comfortable, but we love them to pieces and accept their personalities the way they are.

Milly hisses on occasion. But I have learned her moods and I have learned to live with her quirks. What I don't do is try to force her into any situation that makes her uncomfortable. She doesn't like us to get her out of her cage, so we let her climb out on her own. She adores our other bird, Roger, and only wants to be near him. They have separate cages, but spend most of their time out of their cages, eating and preening each other, as well as singing to each other. She has learned to "step up" onto my finger and now she is even learning to fly over to my shoulder. We NEVER expose her or Roger to any of our other animals (cats and dogs). We have been working with Milly for almost a year now, but her background is unknown, except that she was basically ignored for a long, long time. :(

Milly and Roger love leafy green lettuce. They love pasta too, and their newest thing to love is Total Cereal and Cheerios (thank you PCB).

The point of this epistle is that I think you need to settle down, and understand that this bird may not be exactly what you want him to be, but he can be happy and satisfied, and you CAN befriend him, but just maybe not in the way you want to. I would definitely keep his wings clipped so that he can't fly and injure himself. That will cause him to be even more frightened. Play soft music during the day in the room where he is. And KEEP him isolated from the dogs and other animals. Spend time with him, even if you're just in the room talking with him and doing something else.

I hope that you will learn to love him, regardless of his personality, and do your best to make him feel safe.

We all can't have the wonderful, personable birds that Popcornbird has, but we can enjoy the ones we do have and provide them love, warmth, good things to eat and toys to play with. :) Remember, Popcorn and Muffin are Popcornbird's only pets and she spends a tremendous amount of time with them. They didn't get to be the way they are overnight.

Logan

shellonabeach

04-02-2003, 08:41 AM

Just going off what you would do with a horse or cat in this kind of situation but maybe you should get the vet check out Cheeko.

He could have some physical problem making him hurt and therefore giving him a bad temper, it could be something that without a through check over could be missed. It could be something that makes it hurt when you try to hold him. Especially if he suffered a dog attack once.

Once you have ruled out physical problems (at the vet, use your money saved up for the hedgehog) then work on the mental ones.

My horse was snappy for no reason one winter, we got the vet out and it turns out he had pulled a muscle in his neck probably through using a haynet, we had the horsey chiropracter come and see him and within no time he was back to his old self.

Tweety_Pie

04-02-2003, 03:47 PM

Maybe Cheeko is still depressed that his best friend died, and when you try to put something in his cage (like your hand or a treat) he might be thinking "oh no thats where my best friend has been and your invading my territory!" so he hisses ...

iceyshiver21

04-02-2003, 03:48 PM

All things take time.....and understanding.

Logan

04-02-2003, 03:48 PM

Don't worry....it's the flakes they like. They have had Corn flakes, Wheaties and Total on a very limited basis. They eat very little anyway so I don't push too much on them at a time. Can't be feeding them stale food!!! :eek:

primabella

04-02-2003, 05:20 PM

T_M, you don't seem to be very open with people's suggestions. No offense, but your acting pretty stubborn with all of this. You ask for advice, we give you advice you say you've tried it already. Well, we're trying too. What do you want from us?

Just going off what you would do with a horse or cat in this kind of situation but maybe you should get the vet check out Cheeko.

Maybe you should try this out. Good luck.

Jessica12345

04-02-2003, 05:25 PM

i agree to take him to the vet. you said you never brought him before:( but did you afterwards?
:( poor cheeko.

Tweety_Pie

04-02-2003, 05:27 PM

Yes I agree as well...take him to the vet ASAP!

wolfsoul

04-02-2003, 06:37 PM

Ok, I know that everyone is trying to help, but most of the posts I read are just plain hurtful or rude...I hear accusations and assumations before questioning...:(...

Just going off what you would do with a horse or cat in this kind of situation but maybe you should get the vet check out Cheeko.

That's a good idea, but I'm not sure that it would be great to take an already-stressed out bird to a vet, and we don't have any vets that make house calls unless an emergency...Wouldn't it be better to just call a vet?

How is her breed an excuse for you allowing her to be in a situation where she could kill another pet?
Whenever Tikeyas_mom makes a statement about her dog, she always includes the breed, probably for the sake of new people..If you don't believe me go check her posts.

There are cockatiels at the petstores near me, and in the one that lets you touch the birds, there is a displayance of all that Tikeyas_mom has described here...It's not just her bird remember, there are others with cases like this, so please don't single her out and act like she doesn't know zip, because she's not the only one...

Why is Cheeko so difficult? If I had to live with somebody like you, I think I'd be pretty difficult and mean too.

And this only twelve posts in...

THEY DONT WORK FOR ME, HER TRAINING TATICKS DONT WORK, THEY DONT WORK

See? She's only asking for different training tactics instead of the ones given before...:)...That's all...so if no one knows anymore, than they should probably just keep irrelevant comments to themselves ;)

I know people here hate me for constantly defending the people who get picked on:(

primabella

04-02-2003, 07:00 PM

I am trying not to be rude but I am confused with what she wants. I know nothing about taming a bird, but PCB and others give her pretty good ideas and they "never work." Maybe asking her vet what she can do about it might help? I don't know. I wish her the best of luck because I want Cheeko to be able to feel comfortable with his owner.

Logan

04-02-2003, 07:08 PM

You are right. There have been a couple of responses that could have been left out. A couple of them made me uncomfortable too. But some are really constructive and the people who wrote them are truly trying to help. You and Tikeya's Mom are good friends, aren't you? Maybe you can help her too. Perhaps if she joined a community (forum) of bird owners she could find something else that might work. At least in a "bird only" community, there would be larger number of responses. I think some people are reacting the way they are because she has been talking about getting another pet when this one needs so much help right now.

Hope some of this will help! :)

wolfsoul

04-02-2003, 07:17 PM

Perhaps if she joined a community of bird owners she could find something else that might work.
Like a bird forum? That's a good idea :)

Tikeya's Mom are good friends, aren't you?
Well, we've only gone so far as exchanging conversation on the phone lol..We've tried to meet, but it seems like every time we are going to, something comes up :rolleyes: lol

Jessica12345

04-02-2003, 08:30 PM

tm... me and popcornbird go to a bird forum. its a lot like PT.

www2.toolady.com/forum

im Tweeky567
and popcornbird is the same;)

just thought you might want to check it out:D

iceyshiver21

04-02-2003, 09:48 PM

That was very nice Jessica.

tikeyas_mom

04-02-2003, 10:38 PM

Thanks for the site Jess. :)

Kfamr

04-03-2003, 12:49 AM

wolfsoul

04-03-2003, 10:08 AM

Amy is a wonderful person, maybe you're the thick head who can't get it through. I feel sorry for your animals. Maybe you should give the bird to someone that isn't annoyed by him. Maybe you should think about things BEFOR you go about them. Sort of like you should think about your posts befor you click on that "Submit Reply".

I'm sorry, but Amy wasn't very nice when she typed this:

Why is Cheeko so difficult? If I had to live with somebody like you, I think I'd be pretty difficult and mean too.

They weren't even arguing at that point. So she must have typed that for the heck of it :rolleyes:

Logan

04-03-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Kfamr
Amy is a wonderful person, maybe you're the thick head who can't get it through. I feel sorry for your animals. Maybe you should give the bird to someone that isn't annoyed by him. Maybe you should think about things BEFOR you go about them. Sort of like you should think about your posts befor you click on that "Submit Reply".

We're trying to help her, KayAnn, with suggestions about how she can deal with Cheeko. Maybe it won't work for her, maybe she won't try hard enough, but we're trying to help. I hope that this thread will continue in the spirit it was intended. It just doesn't help to beat up on her at this point, other than just to drive her away completely. She may find that rehoming him is the absolute best thing to do. I wish I were closer, and I'd take him in a heartbeat, as I know Popcornbird would too.

Logan

tikeyas_mom

04-03-2003, 10:46 AM

She may find that rehoming him is the absolute best thing to do. I wish I were closer, and I'd take him in a heartbeat, as I know Popcornbird would too.

Even if you lived next door to me, I would never let you have Cheeko, he's my bird. I would never give him to you or popcornbird, I dont care how much better of a owner you think you'd be for him. He is my bird.:mad: I am not an evil person to my pets, I love them with my heart and soul, it is just hard to understand them sometimes.

Logan

04-03-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
Even if you lived next door to me, I would never let you have Cheeko, he's my bird. I would never give him to you or popcornbird, I dont care how much better of a owner you think you'd be for him. He is my bird.:mad: I am not an evil person to my pets, I love them with my heart and soul, it is just hard to understand them sometimes.

I think you totally misunderstood me. I am defending you, here. Of course he is your bird, and I hope he will remain that way. I don't want him, I want you to be able to live with him, calmly and happily. I wrote a book to you yesterday about my experiences with my Cockatiels, especially one that I have that is very nervous, as it sounds like Cheeko is. If you aren't interested in the suggestions that Popcornbird and I have, let us know and we'll shut up on the whole thing. We've been trying to stick to the subject and offer you alternatives. That's all I was trying to say.

tikeyas_mom

04-03-2003, 10:58 AM

ok well it didnt sound that way. it sounded like if you were here youd barge in and force me to give up my bird because I am a bad owner. If you read uit from my point of view you would understand.

Logan

04-03-2003, 11:08 AM

OK. I'm bowing out now. Best of luck with Cheeko. :(

shais_mom

04-03-2003, 12:10 PM

Amy is a great person. She among others, myself included, are simply weary of Tikeya's mom's"collective" tendencies. She wants every kind of pet there is, I bet if they made mini elephants she would want that too.
I am not doubting she IS trying with Cheeko
BUT she has alot of help and she automatically takes defense to it, likes she does with everything. Logan did not say she would barge in here and take Cheeko and neither did Pops.
I just hope she does get some help with him IF she is serious about helping Cheeko.
I know she has stated again and again and again that is isn't 'freakin' out when she works with him, but animals can sense when we freak out even if we don't make a big deal out of it.
That is why our animals can sense when we cry, are angry, or are depressed.
It is quite possible that Cheeko might be terrorized past the point of taming. ( and no I didn't say that she is terrorizing him before you go saying that I did) but the incident with the dog and other things probably all led up to it.