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wolfsoul
03-17-2003, 01:17 AM
I just looked this up...it's funny cuz the intelligence one has varied slightly...I remember on last year's ranks, golden retriever was in 6th and the beagle was in 4th and the labrador was in 5th...but the first three were as they are now...but it does give us a general idea on the breeds in general...

Intelligence

Rank Breed
1 Border Collie
2 Poodle
3 German Shepherd
4 Golden Retriever
5 Doberman Pinscher
6 Shetland Sheepdog
7 Labrador Retriever
8 Papillon
9 Rottweiler
10 Australian Cattle Dog

These are apparently the dogs that have the lowest degree of working, obedience and intelligence...I was surprised...

Rank Breed
70 Shih Tzu
71 Basset Hound
72 Mastiff
Beagle
73 Pekingese
74 Bloodhound
75 Borzoi
76 Chow Chow
77 Bulldog
78 Basenji
79 Afghan Hound

Last year the beagle was on the smart list :confused: but then again, it was a different company last year...this list made me angry...:(

I wouldn't believe too much of it personally, because they also put pomeranians under the list of best working dogs...I can't exactly see a pomeranian pulling large sleds or driving the cattle to market lol

tomkatzid
03-17-2003, 01:21 AM
Our girls are part 6.:D :D

wolfsoul
03-17-2003, 01:25 AM
Timber has some 3 and 4 lol
And leather is pure 3 :D
Samuri isn't any of those lol
And my old doggy, who just moved away :(, is numbers 1, 3, 5 and 7....weee super smarty pants lol

gkristian
03-17-2003, 01:31 AM
Foxy is number 6

aly
03-17-2003, 01:43 AM
Well, Reece is number 2 ... but errr.. he doesn't act like it. I think he's part doofus! Hehe, I love my boy :D

Lolly is definately the smartest dog I've ever seen though!

Pam
03-17-2003, 05:55 AM
As a poodle mom for over 30 years now I am not surprised to see poodle as #2. They are so easily trainable and their reasoning/problem solving abilities are almost like people. That said, it wouldn't stop me from having another breed some day (in addition to poodles). :) I have a secret desire to have a pug at some point and I noticed that puggilys are not on either list. Breed All About It said they are not easy to train and have a mind of their own but it still wouldn't stop me! :)

wolf_Q
03-17-2003, 08:37 AM
said they are not easy to train and have a mind of their own but it still wouldn't stop me!

Every website, book, show, etc. about siberian huskies says the exact same thing! Not that I care! :rolleyes: Nebo definitely has a mind of his own, but I have not found him "hard to train"...just stubborn.

http://www.petrix.com/dogint/intelligence.html

Here's another link which shows more breeds. Huskies are 45. :( I can't believe German Shorthairs are 17! That definitely does not go along with how Nebo and Lady act! Reggie and Smokey are ahead of Nebo in this one too...and he's much more well behaved then they are.......just goes to show that a dog is not completely defined by a breed!

Looks like pugs are 57!

tikeyas_mom
03-17-2003, 02:18 PM
I seen that listing as well. border collies are so smart.

siberians were about 40 on the list or smartness lol I think my dogs still smart though

lovemyshiba
03-17-2003, 02:24 PM
Awww my poor babies are not the smart ones!! That's ok, I love them dearly, no matter what. And Shibas are no where on that list, but they are definitely smart dogs--and stubborn!!!
I am not surprised to see poodles as #2 either. My mother in law just got back from visiting her mom at her condo in Florida, and one neighbor couldn't find her poodle anywhere--she was going to all of the doors and asking if anyone had seen her. Turns out, when she left, the dog went right back to the door and waited for her.

ParNone
03-17-2003, 02:33 PM
Well I think intelligence is relative based on how you look at it.
Oz being a Collie, bred to work with people is in the easy to
train category. Picking up commands quickly, because he's so
focused on pleasing me. I would label him Book Smart.

My Terriers on the other hand were bred to be independent,
needing the ability to problem solve on their own, without looking
to their master to give a command. That makes them harder to
train, so some would label them as not as intelligent. I label
them as Street Smart. You can see the wheels turning in their
heads as they try to problem solve to benefit themselves,
not necessarily please you.

I bought one of those treat balls. Oz figured out really fast
to push it around to get the treats. Murph on the other hand,
lets Oz do all the work, but follows behind him picking up the
treats that trail behind Oz, because he's so busy pushing the
ball around. So who's the smarter?

Par...

xoxjoaniexox
03-18-2003, 09:40 AM
I have the book "The Intelligence of Dogs." Dr. Coren is basing his findings on how many times you have to repeat something before the dog gets it based on Obediance Training. He's just saying that with some breeds you have to repeat it more times for it to sink in. lol

I have a Yorkie and took her to Obediance Training (Yorkies rank 27). I found it pretty easy to train her.

XoX
Joanie, Tiffany and Shana (my cat)

micki76
03-18-2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by ParNone
I bought one of those treat balls. Oz figured out really fast
to push it around to get the treats. Murph on the other hand,
lets Oz do all the work, but follows behind him picking up the
treats that trail behind Oz, because he's so busy pushing the
ball around. So who's the smarter?
Par...

LOL!!:D This goes on with Millie and Chester, too! Chester pushes and eats, but he'll also push it around for Millie and let her eat. It's so sad when he won't push it for her, 'cause she just sits there and looks at it. I know she's thinking "Why won't they fall out for me?"
I am surprised by this though, because she's really not dumb. She's learned so much in 3 months, just not how to work the goody ball.:rolleyes:

oodlesofpoodles
03-23-2003, 04:14 PM
I think that alot has to do with the trainer also. When a breed becomes popular with the general public, every joe blow gets one. and sadley to say many will not train them. so then you have a bunch HARD TO TRAIN BREEDS, I think all breeds are intellent. It is all in how they are taught. If I took alook at the different breeds that I have owned. I would say that my rottie Caleb was the most intellent. And you all know that I own the #2 dog Poodle but based on mine the rottie was more intellent and easier to train. He was more layed back than Riley.

primabella
03-23-2003, 04:24 PM
Mick is 6 and he kinda lives up to that when he isn't stubborn. But he does learn commands and tricks quickly. He won't do ANYTHING to please me, just things that will get him a treat. :rolleyes:

But he is pretty smart when it comes to the kong. Instead of rolling it around to get the apple, he picks it up and drops it so everything flies out. Cheater :p

But thne he's kinda dumb. Like, when he was younger, he would just be walking and his two front legs would just collapse on him and he would fall face first. :rolleyes: Woa - here I am talking about how "dumb" Mickey is but I just almost fell out of my chair..honestly :p lol

Cisco's Mom
03-24-2003, 04:48 PM
I don't believe it!! Where is my boy?? Come on I know he is a very intelligent little guy. Ahh to heck with this list!! :) :D :) :D

captain
03-24-2003, 07:37 PM
My beloved spotty ones 27 - 39 - Above Average Working dogs !!!!

:confused:

Guess the judges didn't meet my two and their selective attention span..... oh look Mummy looks like she is busy lets love her,........ oh look something much more interesting, cannot hear Mummy calling (la, la, la - not listening) :D: