The AG-Gag Bill In Indiana

[lizbud]

Looks like this bad bill will pass & become law in Indiana. It will protect all Puppy Mill owners & Factory Farms in the state. Animal activist will be
barred from exposing animal cruelty & neglect anywhere in the state. With a majority in the Legislature & a Republican Governor, Indiana opens the
door for animal abuse without consequence here in good old Indiana.:mad:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130328/NEWS08/303280045/Matthew-Tully-Statehouse-Ag-Gag-bill-push-shut-you-up

[pomtzu]

Shame on Indy............:mad:

[Catty1]

I bet the animal groups and protesters will continue to act. The government is idiotic.

[krazyaboutkatz]

This is horrible.:(

[phesina]

Awful, and heartbreaking.

[smokey the elder]

If they can sneak into pharma labs, which are really tight, they aren't going to be fazed by this bad law.

[lizbud]

If they can sneak into pharma labs, which are really tight, they aren't going to be fazed by this bad law.



I hope you are right about this. Indiana is not the only state when this law is being pushed right now.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ag-gag-laws-animal-cruelty-exposes-blocked/story?id=18337864

[momcat]

This is @*^!&)# (insert your own expletives) :mad: What are these idiots thinking? Right, they're not. Is there a petition we can sign or someone we can write to about this? Could the fine people of Indiana, and they're in the majority I'm sure, move the governor's mansion to a factory farm so he can live in a crate with the caged chickens?

[Catty1]

Petition!

https://secure.humanesociety.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=5959&JServSessionIdr004=56ouqqpi24.app341b

[Alysser]

Factory Farms are one of the worst things to happen to American Agriculture, sadly. :( Both for small family farms..and the animals.

[phesina]

This ("Ag-Gag") made the front page of the New York Times today (Sun., 4/7):

"Taping of Farm Cruelty Is Becoming the Crime" -
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/us/taping-of-farm-cruelty-is-becoming-the-crime.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130407&_r=0

[momcat]

Signed!!! I did a lot of my growing up on my uncle's dairy farm upstate New York. My cousins loved having the "city kid" around to help out with the work that needed to be done, this city kid thought it was a lot of fun. There was no abuse or mistreatment of any animal there. My uncle wouldn't stand for it! The cows spent most of the day out in the pasture grazing and free to move around as they wanted to. Newborn calves were treated gently and with care but we never interfered with the babies' time with their mothers. The vet came by on a regular basis to check on the farm animals and give treatment or advice as needed. Even though my uncle made his living from the farm, it was a family thing. This is what farming is supposed to be.

Agra-business isn't what I remember growing up. Unfortunately, the family farm has been negatively impacted as a result. Why are these agra businesses trying so hard to cover up their abuse, neglect, and deplorable conditions? We, as consumers of farm products, have every right to know where these goods are coming from as well as the conditions under which they are being produced.

[pomtzu]

Why are these agra businesses trying so hard to cover up their abuse, neglect, and deplorable conditions?

Why??? Because they can and also get away with it. And they don't really have to try all that hard either. Afterall, so many of the governing powers just turn a blind eye to it anyway. I'm sure that they can justify themselves by saying - "Big deal - what's the difference - they're just animals with no feelings that are going to be killed so that they can be eaten anyway!!! So why do they need to be treated humanely??" Yup - there's the disgusting explanation.......:mad:

ETA:
BTW Eileen - kudos to your uncle and all of those like him, for his ethical method of farming. We can only hope that there are still a lot more like him out there among all of the money-grubbing enterprises that call themselves "farmers".

[Lady's Human]

When the "animal rights" groups have been caught on a number of occasions creating the taped evidence, they're begging legislatures to pass bills like this.

Beware the law of unintended consequences.

[lizbud]

When the "animal rights" groups have been caught on a number of occasions creating the taped evidence, they're begging legislatures to pass bills like this.

Beware the law of unintended consequences.



Bull S*** Name any examples of false evidence. Agriculture is big business & producting product is all they think of. The "product" is living, breathing animals who
deserve humane treatment.

[Lady's Human]

Classy, Liz.

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_13596629?nclick_check=1

http://www.furcommission.com/saving-society-from-animal-snuff-films/

2000: America’s NBC Dateline uses video provided by the Humane Society of the US, produced as part of the animal rights group’s boycott campaign against the use of karakul lamb (broadtail) pelts in clothing. The video, shot in Uzbekistan, claims that Russian karakul is produced from unborn lambs removed from pregnant ewes killed for this purpose. Common sense, of course, tells us that killing breeding ewes for the value of lambskins would quickly put the sheepherder out of business. Sworn affidavits from the producing regions attest that this is not practiced and that the claim made by HSUS is false. Among them is anunequivocal written judgement of the video’s authenticity by Uzbek Karakul Company, which states: “Having thoroughly investigated the matter, we can confirm that the killing sequence in the footage was staged. The sequence was taken at the request of HSUS representatives, following a scenario suggested by them. The farm workers (Hasan, Zakir, Mutfullo, Fachretdin) were asked personally by the HSUS representatives to bring a sheep, cut off its head and remove the unborn lamb.”

And on, and on, and on.....

And paying witnesses (ringling Bros)

and on, and on........

[Lady's Human]

Bull S*** Name any examples of false evidence. Agriculture is big business & producting product is all they think of. The "product" is living, breathing animals who
deserve humane treatment.

All they think of is profit?

Abused cows don't give milk.

Abused cows also lose weight rapidly and are almost worthless as beef cattle.

If all they think about is profit then their animals should be fine.

[lizbud]

Classy, Liz.

And on, and on, and on.....




RETRACTION

An earlier headline stated that outside observers say PETA videos are staged. The Pioneer Press retracts that statement. PETA was not accused of staging its videos. The Pioneer Press apologizes for its earlier headline.

[Lady's Human]

RETRACTION

An earlier headline stated that outside observers say PETA videos are staged. The Pioneer Press retracts that statement. PETA was not accused of staging its videos. The Pioneer Press apologizes for its earlier headline.

That was the HEADLINE.

Read the story, not just read the retraction.

Obviously you stopped at the retraction because it fit. In addition, I'm willing to bet the sole reason the headline was retracted (NOT THE STORY) is that PETA has deeper pockets than the newspaper.

[phesina]

More on this issue in today's New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/opinion/open-the-slaughterhouses.html?_r=0

I'm glad the Times is covering this. They are bringing the whole matter to the attention of the public at large (at least, the public that follows the Times..).

[lizbud]

More on this issue in today's New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/opinion/open-the-slaughterhouses.html?_r=0

I'm glad the Times is covering this. They are bringing the whole matter to the attention of the public at large (at least, the public that follows the Times..).


NYT has a vast readership. I'm glad they are covering the issue. Paul McCartney once said " If slaughterhouses had glass walls,everyone would be vegatarian"

[phesina]

Today's New York Times, editorial "Eating With Our Eyes Closed": http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/opinion/eating-with-our-eyes-closed.html?

[Lady's Human]

The editorial is misleading at best.

Undercover investigation by law enforcement would still be allowed. (animal abuse is a criminal matter). The editorial reads that no undercover investigation is allowed.

Given the amount of money spent fighting specious charges, I can understand completely why these bills and laws are in existence. If I was a farmer, I shouldn't have to worry about my next hired hand being a plant for someone who's going to create an abuse situation and then get an otherwise clean operation smeared in the media.

[lizbud]

Today's New York Times, editorial "Eating With Our Eyes Closed": http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/opinion/eating-with-our-eyes-closed.html?


Thank you for the link. A interesting read. :)

[momcat]

GREAT NEWS!!! According to an email I just received from Animal Place, the Ag-Gag bill is DEAD in California! It was withdrawn by the author because of the volume of phone calls and letters in opposition. Sorry PT friends, I wasn't able to post the link but if you run a search for Animal Place you might be able to see the short notice.

[lizbud]

GREAT NEWS!!! According to an email I just received from Animal Place, the Ag-Gag bill is DEAD in California! It was withdrawn by the author because of the volume of phone calls and letters in opposition. Sorry PT friends, I wasn't able to post the link but if you run a search for Animal Place you might be able to see the short notice.


Thankful that this bill was pulled from consideration in California. People let them know that it was a bad bill & was not needed or wanted.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-california-aggag-bill-is-gagged-and-gone-20130417,0,4031438.story

[lizbud]

Well, this is going down to the wire. On the last day(today)of the Legislative session, the bill has beeen pulled from consideration
for now. Behind the scenes some are working on changing wording in the bill. (watering down the bill) I hope it is just killed off instead.

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/politics/ag-gag-bill-stopped

[Catty1]

Yay!:d

[lizbud]

The Ag-gag bill is dead in Indiana. :) This bill just had too many people aganst it & they spoke up loud & clear.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/proposal-to-ban-secret-videotaping-at-indiana-farms-businesses-fails-in-indiana-legislature

[phesina]

EXCELLENT!!!!!! Hooray, Indiana!!!

[momcat]

The Ag-gag bill is dead in Indiana. :) This bill just had too many people aganst it & they spoke up loud & clear.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/proposal-to-ban-secret-videotaping-at-indiana-farms-businesses-fails-in-indiana-legislature

Hi Lizbud,
I'm just seeing this now and this wonderful news has made my day!!!!! I must congratulate all of the fine people in Indiana who stood up against this bill and sent their message loud and clear. And a special thanks to you for bringing this to our attention. :)

[Karen]

Power to the people! Yay! Do so love when democracy works, and people make an effort to voice their opinions!