This story is just rocking Canada right now... :-(

[Catty1]

He was a rising star in the military here until a tire track in the dirt was matched to his truck. A completely hidden other life...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/101019/canada/canada_justice_military

Colonel videotaped murder, court hears

Tue Oct 19, 2:50 PM

BELLEVILLE, Canada (AFP) - A Canadian colonel who admitted to 86 lurid sex crimes videotaped the brutal rape and murder of a corporal under his command, a court heard Tuesday.

Colonel Russell Williams, 47, a married pilot who once flew the jet used to ferry Canada's prime minister as well as the British royal family on a visit, photographed and videotaped his repeated sexual assault over four and a half hours of Corporal Marie-France Comeau, the Crown said.

Bruised, bloodied and limp, Comeau used her last breath to beg for her life, according to an audio tape played in court: "Have a heart. I've been good all my life. I don't want to die."

"Shut up," Williams responded before he taped her nostrils and her mouth closed and watched her suffocate.

Williams sat quietly in the courtroom for the second day of his proceedings but several observers fled in tears as the gruesome evidence was presented.

Police arrested Williams in February for the disappearance and death of 27-year-old Jessica Lloyd, last heard from the previous month. He was caught when his vehicle's tire treads were matched at a police roadside checkpoint to tracks at the crime scene.

Williams was later charged with the November 2009 murder of Comeau, who was under his command at the Trenton military base, as well as in two home invasions in which women were confined and sexually assaulted, and 82 counts of break-and-enter and attempted break-and-enter in Ottawa, Belleville, and a third locality, Tweed.

A stash of women's undergarments taken by police from Williams' Ottawa residence was linked to the burglaries near his home and job.

Williams had only met Comeau once prior to her death. She was working as a flight attendant on a military flight. But as her boss, he knew she lived alone and her schedule.

Days before he killed her, he broke into her home and snapped 18 photographs of himself in her underwear and standing next to her pressed air force uniform.

On the night of November 23, 2009, he left his office at the Trenton military base, parked his car outside her home, and listened in the dark to her telephone conversation using a sensitive sound-detecting device.

Williams then broke in through a basement window and attacked her. They struggled. He beat her nearly unconscious with a flashlight, tied her up and covered all of the windows in the house.

She pleaded with him: "I don't want to die. Leave me alone. I don't want to die."

Afterwards, Williams washed her bed sheets and drove directly to Ottawa for a meeting with military brass.

He would later send a signed letter of condolence on behalf of the Canadian Forces to Comeau's father -- a 45-year veteran of the military.

Williams commanded Canada's busiest air force base, the 437 Squadron in Trenton, east of Toronto, for more than a year prior to his arrest. Previously he was in charge of Canada's secretive Camp Mirage in Dubai.

On Monday, he pleaded guilty to his crimes. An agreed statement of facts read out in the Ontario Superior Court traced the escalation of his offenses starting in September 2007.

He faces life in prison, with no possibility of parole for at least 25 years.

[RICHARD]

Cargo plane, High, no parahute.

[Freedom]

:mad:

Secret life, understatement!

[phesina]

Oh... my.... GODDDDD......

[Catty1]

I heard on the news today that when this guy was brought in for questioning by the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) he was warned and offered counsel. He refused a lawyer. Even after they started talking to him about the matching tire track, etc - he refused a lawyer, admitted to the crimes...the first thing he told them is that he wanted to protect his wife.

He can receive a military pension...some have been outraged by that, but somewhat saner heads have noted that his wife deserves at least some of that money (I think ALL of it!).

Just...so mind boggling....


ETA: When this story first broke, it was noted that everyone was rallying around his wife. I cannot imagine what she is going through. I am so glad she has good people around her.

[Cataholic]

Horrific. Simply, inexcusably, horrific.

I wonder, sometimes, upon closer inspection, how much was 'hidden' vs. 'untold'. I guess I just don't understand how someone can be 'normal' 99% of the time, and deviant 1%. Did people really not suspect something was amiss? Did his wife not wonder about things?

[Queen of Poop]

I am appalled by what this nut job has done!! Locking him up for the remainder of his pathetic life is too good for him. :mad:

[Catty1]

He apparently kept his video 'journals' on hard drives hidden in the rafters in the basement. At his first interview, he told police where to find the drives (as well as all the female lingerie he had stolen and collected), and told them where the one woman's body was.

From all the stories I have read, there is no sense of anything being 'untold'. Serial sexual predators/killers have often been defined as coming from a certain station in life. This guy made it to the rank of Colonel and presented very very well. He started off with breakins and over time moved to riskier and riskier actions...it was a gradual thing.

Perhaps in some sick way he was relieved to be caught. He certainly confessed without much prodding. WEIRD.

[Laura's Babies]

That was SICK! He don't need life, he needs to have done to him what he did to that defensless woman and make him beg for his life before they kill him!

[lvpets2002]

:mad: Same here..


That was SICK! He don't need life, he needs to have done to him what he did to that defensless woman and make him beg for his life before they kill him!

[Catty1]

Unfortunately, we don't have capital punishment in Canada....

[Miss Z]

That article read like something out of a crime-thriller, not as if it should have actually happened in reality. How truly horrific and disturbing. :(

The suffering of the victim sends a really cold shiver down my spine - it seems you can't be safe anywhere.

[wombat2u2004]

Unfortunately, we don't have capital punishment in Canada....

That's a shame. I'd be the first to put my hand up as a volunteer to throw the switch....no problems.

[Marigold2]

You and me both John.

[Catty1]

For those who wish, there is a photo gallery here...this underscores what I have read in some articles - that serial killers often appear so normal and unremarkable that even looking back, people who knew, lived, and worked with them suspected nothing.

One former wife of a US serial killer said: "I loved the man who was my husband - and I hate the man who took him away [i.e. his 'other', killer, personality]."

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/18/photo-gallery-col-russell-williams-a-timeline/change-of-command/

Williams' Statement before sentencing, which judge "Scott found...sincere, but considers him a sick and dangerous man.":

Your Honour. I stand before you indescribably ashamed. I know the crimes I have committed have traumatized many people. The family and friends of Marie-France Comeau and Jessica Lloyd in particular have suffered and continue to suffer profound, desperate pain and sorrow as a result of what I’ve done. My assaults of Ms. [name redacted because of publication ban] and Ms. Massicotte have caused them to suffer terribly as well. Numerous victims of the break and enters I have committed have been very seriously distressed as a result of my having so invaded their most intimate privacy. My family, your honour, has been irreparably damaged. The understandable hatred that was expressed yesterday and that has been palpable throughout the week has me recognize that most will find it impossible to accept. But the fact is I deeply regret what I have done and the harm I know I have caused to many. I committed despicable crime, your honour, and in the process betraying my family, my friends and colleagues and the Canadian Forces.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/10/21/russell-williams-day-four.html#ixzz130fWSEGv



A judge has sentenced Col. Russell Williams to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years for the first-degree murders of Cpl. Marie-France Comeau and Jessica Lloyd.

The decorated former commander of Canadian Forces Base Trenton was also sentenced in Ontario Superior Court in Belleville on Thursday to 10 years for each of his two sexual assaults, as well as a year for each of the other 84 lesser charges he faced.

Williams's sentence also includes:

* that he be prohibited for life from possessing weapons.
* that he be registered for life as a sex offender.
* that he submit DNA samples to the police data bank.
* That he pay a $100 victim surcharge for each charge, for a total of $8,800.

After being sentenced, Williams was taken directly from court to begin serving his sentence at the Kingston Penitentiary.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/10/21/russell-williams-day-four.html#ixzz130hxe0yV

[Queen of Poop]

And now he's going to the same lockup with another deviant, Paul Bernardo. I do hope they are not allowed to commisserate over their deeds.

[Catty1]

Nope, he'll be in solitary for up to 23 hours a day.

[lizbud]

Pretty bizzare story. Guess you really can't judge a book by it's cover, can you? What a weirdo.:eek:

[Marigold2]

Such evil. I find it a bit hard to believe the wife knew nothing, perhaps she lived in a bubble of happy make believe. They say a women knows when a man is cheating, how about killing. He must have left a million small signs that she now looks back on and says to herself
AH HA how did I not see that?

[Catty1]

Marigold - this started back in 2007 with the break-ins. And I don't think his sexual assaults, and then the ones where he murdered, could be called "cheating".

There were two hard drives in the rafters in the basement; police also tore up part of the hardwood floor in the house while searching for evidence. Other material was hidden in the rafters in the garage.

He was away a lot in his work. Why would his wife even think to look at the garage rafters? Hard drives are small, and would not have been visible.

If she is an idiot for not suspecting something, then so are all the neighbours and many many members of the Canadian Armed Forces at CFB Trenton.

Sociopaths are extremely good at leading double lives.

[Cataholic]

Such evil. I find it a bit hard to believe the wife knew nothing, perhaps she lived in a bubble of happy make believe. They say a women knows when a man is cheating, how about killing. He must have left a million small signs that she now looks back on and says to herself
AH HA how did I not see that?

This is exactly what I thought when I read the OP, and still cannot fathom the total lack of clues.

[Catty1]

Well...first of all, only 14 of the 88 break-ins and thefts were ever reported to police (and only 3 of those involved lingerie).

Here is an article that might explain how wives (including John Wayne Gacy's) really do not know. (And if your husband is a colonel, even less reason to worry...though we now know better...)

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/876874--how-did-col-williams-wife-not-know?bn=1


The man Mary Elizabeth Harriman knew would hold her hand on walks. They went on vacations. And in what, for some, can be the ultimate test of a marriage, they golfed together.

That man is under arrest and scheduled to plead guilty Monday in a Belleville court to two murders, two sex assaults and a string of fetish break-ins.

She has to live with the unfathomable fact that the man she loved — Russell Williams, the former commander of CFB Trenton — was leading a double life. It raises the obvious question: How could she have had no clue? Quite easily, according to experts and a slim but consistent body of research on the wives of serial killers.

“People do not believe that you could have lived with a serial killer and had not known,” says Jack Levin, professor of sociology and criminology at Northeastern University, and author of Serial Killers and Sadistic Murders — Up Close and Personal. “That is true in many cases: the idea that the spouse, the wife, is totally ignorant of her husband's killing spree.”

John Wayne Gacy's wife would take weekend trips to visit family and return home to a terrible stench emanating from the basement. Gacy, who invited young men and boys to the suburban Chicago house, then killed and buried them in the basement, would say the sewer had backed up again and then go down to spread more lime on the bodies.

“She believed him,” says Levin. “Why shouldn't she? I know we're cynical, but how many wives are supposed to say, ‘John, what are you burying down there? Bodies?'

“I think it's beyond the imagination of most human beings to think that the guy they've lived with for years is killing people, and more than one, and not doing it spontaneously but planning it out. It's too extraordinary to be real for most people. It's fiction. It might as well be in a novel.”

Judith Mawson was married to Gary Ridgway, a truck painter also known as the Green River Killer. Ridgway killed at least 48 women in Washington state, four of them while he was married to Mawson. As appears to have been the case with Harriman, she had no idea.

“He made me feel like a newlywed every day,” Mawson said in an interview with ABC News in April 2007. “He'd come home from work with a big smile.” Of her husband's two lives, she said: “I loved the man I knew, and I hate the man that took him away.”

Pennie Morehead wrote a book about the case and Mawson's relationship with Ridgway. “It turns out,” she told ABC News, “that our nation's most prolific serial killer was also a terrific husband and friend and lover to his wife.”

In hindsight, Linda Yates realized there were clues that her husband, Robert Yates, might be up to something. For example, he smelled of cologne prior to what he claimed was a hunting trip. What he was really doing was killing prostitutes around Spokane, Wash.

Public perception of the families of serial killers is often unfair and judgmental. “When we think of victims, we think of the families of the victims who obviously suffer tremendous loss, but we almost never think of the family of the killer,” says Levin.

Mothers are often maligned for raising monsters. Wives are blamed for being either stupid or complicit.

But from all indications, Russell Williams was living completely separate lives. He was a competent base commander and loving husband — and also a serial killer with escalating tendencies and urges.

Harriman has not uttered a public word since her husband's arrest. In a brief affidavit, filed in an ongoing civil suit launched by one of her husband's victims, Harriman said the news of the criminal charges was “devastating to me.”

Unlike some serial killers, who were controlling and abusive to their spouses, Williams appeared the opposite and was far from a social misfit. Often the spouse is submissive and afraid of losing her husband. It doesn't appear Harriman fits that billing either. Of the two, Harriman is the more outgoing.

The two wed in June 1991 in a ceremony in Winnipeg. They were a power couple, with no children, and, due to the nature of Williams' job, spent periods of time apart.

Harriman, who at 52 is five years older than her husband, is the associate executive director of the Heart and Stroke Foundation in Ottawa. Following the arrest of her husband, she was described in a statement from her workplace as a “kind and compassionate individual” and a “long-serving, greatly admired and universally liked member of our team.”

After taking a leave, Harriman is back at work and appears to be living in the Ottawa home the couple purchased last year.

To many, the couple appeared very much normal and in love. There was never any outward indication of marital tension.

Harriman likely didn't have a clue her husband was breaking into homes and stealing lingerie, that he was stalking women, and that he eventually graduated to sexually assaulting and killing them.

Williams was a regular jogger, which made it easy to slip out and do his misdeeds. He stole undergarments and other personal items in dozens of fetish break-ins. An avid photographer, he also took pictures of the sexual assault victims.

Some married serial killers have kept no-go spaces in their homes and on their property to store “trophies” — places where spouses were not allowed access.

Keeping secret a stash of underwear and photographs would not be as difficult as hiding a body. But Williams had a hiding spot — reportedly in the rafters of his locked Ottawa garage — and it appears he was quite meticulous about cataloguing the items he stole.

Glenn Woods, former RCMP director of behavioural sciences, says a “woman knows what's going on in the house, but . . . I suspect there are probably parts of that house she wasn't allowed to be in.”

When police slapped an additional 82 charges on Williams for fetish break and enters at 47 homes in Tweed and Ottawa, some victims were completely unaware their homes had been burglarized.

Also included in the charges were “attempt” break and enters that no one but Williams would know of, indicating he either kept a log discovered by police or he had a photographic memory and divulged all to investigators.

All this he kept from his wife, continuing to seem perfectly normal.

“You think the guy's going to wear a sign?” says Vernon Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology, biology and psychiatry at Queen's University. “All these guys look normal. There aren't such things as neanderthal slavering sex offenders. They don't exist in nature.”

Among the many people left dumbfounded by Williams' other life are his neighbours in the Ottawa suburbs. Some wonder how Harriman had no inkling of her husband's crimes, but many are ex-military, and they know there are certain areas of a soldier's life his wife would have no business snooping around in.

“My heart bleeds for her to think that this was going on and she didn't know this,” says Shirley Fraser, who lived across the street from the couple's house on Wilkie Dr. in the east Ottawa suburb of Orleans, where they lived for 15 years. “How does one get over something like that?”

They suspect Williams may have stashed photographs and underwear he is alleged to have stolen in what's known in the air force as a “flyaway kit.”

“It's a bag where they keep all the things they need to fly away in a hurry,” says retired Air Force Sgt. Robert Gagne, whose living room looks on to the old Williams-Harriman home. “So I guess she had no business going in there.”

Nobody on Wilkie Dr. knows if that's what actually happened, but it seems the most likely scenario to them, and it has spread throughout the cluster of homes that they once jokingly referred to as CFB Orleans for the number of former military personnel living there.

This group of people who once called Williams and Harriman friends now question how much they ever knew the couple.

Fraser and George White, who lived two doors down from Williams, were desperate to get a message to Harriman in the days when Williams' name was first in the headlines and a steady stream of reporters went from house to house looking for clues to explain the gruesome crimes he's charged with.

They drafted a letter on behalf of their once-cloistered community. It was brief and to the point: should she need any support, or just a friend, they were there.

It was, in Fraser's words, “to know that we are your neighbours and still your friends, to back you in whatever we can do.

“I'm sure she had her reasons for not responding,” she continues.

Monique Murdoch knew both Harriman and Williams as well as a neighbour could. She owns a cottage on Cozy Cove Lane in Tweed, right next door to the Williams-Harriman cottage. There was nothing in Williams' behaviour that caused any alarm, she says.

“I was never afraid of him myself, and neither was my daughter and neither was my son. We weren't afraid of this guy. We had no reason to be.”

The couple's love seemed real, she says, and she believes that if Williams knew he was going to be arrested, “I think he would have done himself in ... I think he loved his wife that much.”

While the two remain married, Williams and Harriman have split their assets. The cottage where they had planned to retire now belongs solely to him. She has the house in Ottawa.

Harriman is fighting to keep her life as private as possible. In the civil suit filed by one of her husband's sex assault victims, Harriman is seeking a sealing order to prevent public disclosure.

“My reputation in the community is exemplary,” states her affidavit. “The publication of further particular details of my professional life, personal financial situation and legal affairs could have a significant negative impact upon me personally and professionally.”

After the crime-scene tape had come down, Harriman and a friend returned one day to the house on Cozy Cove Lane, presumably to assess the damage after a police search and to collect belongings.

There is sympathy there for Harriman. But where once there would have been greetings or waves, there were averted gazes. Such is the inescapable stigma.

“I saw her,” says one neighbour, who asked not to be named. “But I couldn't find it in me to look her in the eye.”

[Marigold2]

Those poor women........... I just cry for them

[Catty1]

Army officials suggested this process would take a month - it all happened today:

Russell Williams, the shamed former commander of CFB Trenton, has been stripped of his rank and booted from the military following his conviction in two murders, two sex assaults and dozens of sex-related break-ins.

Williams, who once held the rank of colonel, will serve out his life sentences as a civilian after his military commission was officially revoked Friday afternoon.

In jail yesterday, booted from the military today. DONE!

Now he can be alone 23 hours a day for the rest of his life.

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101022/colonel-rank-101022/20101022/?hub=CalgaryHome

[Asiel]

This is exactly what I thought when I read the OP, and still cannot fathom the total lack of clues.

Don't forget they just bought this cottage a few yrs ago. Their main home is in Ottawa where his wife also works. They didn't get down there every single weekend and hubby did go by himself when she couldn't get away drom work.
If everyone would have reported each and every incident it might have been solved before it turned to murder. I feel very sorry for his wife, the full impact is only starting to hit her now. Everyone feels sorry for her and only a handful of narrow minded people are hinting that she might have closed her eyes to this. Lots of women live in a happy happy bubble life but she wasn't one of them.

[Cataholic]

Don't forget they just bought this cottage a few yrs ago. Their main home is in Ottawa where his wife also works. They didn't get down there every single weekend and hubby did go by himself when she couldn't get away drom work.
If everyone would have reported each and every incident it might have been solved before it turned to murder. I feel very sorry for his wife, the full impact is only starting to hit her now. Everyone feels sorry for her and only a handful of narrow minded people are hinting that she might have closed her eyes to this. Lots of women live in a happy happy bubble life but she wasn't one of them.

When I read the research posted by Catty, even then, the people said that there were things that didn't add up. Like you said, if everyone reported every thing, it might not have gone this far. Call me skeptical (but hardly narrow minded), I have seen/read/heard of too many stories where, upon reflection, it was all but blindness caused by love, those closest to the defendants, these people 'knew' something wasn't right. Not sure it was in the context of such horror as this situation, though.

[Laura's Babies]

If he still gets that pension, he should be charged whatever it cost to keep him in prison.. pay for his own keep there.

I really feel sorry for his wife and his close friends (if he had any). What I can't help but wonder is how long he has been doing this kind of thing.. You don't just wake up one day and decide to rape and kill.. What else is he hiding? He was apparently a master at hiding things, keeping secretes and fooling people.

[wombat2u2004]

Now he can be alone 23 hours a day for the rest of his life.

But he might befriend a little mouse :p

[Catty1]

I haven't seen or read anything in Williams' case where people wrote or said 'that didn't add up'. Everyone - wife, neighbours, military - all seem to have been totally caught off guard.

Only when Williams was presented with facts during interrogation - very expertly and gradually by Smyth, a top interrogator - did he finally crack and admit what had happened. That took over 4 hours.

[Cataholic]

Good grief, catty, give it a rest would you?

[Bonny]

It is Kathy not catty. :confused: And go ahead Kathy say what you want when you want too. Don't give it a rest. This guy is the jerk of jerks & murdered two women. I guess that doesn't count? :mad:

[Catty1]

Bonny, my PT name is Catty1. My real name is nowhere near Kathy (though it is a nice name! ;) ). Catholic had it right.

[Bonny]

Fine by me Catty 1. I use to think Cataholic was Catholic & a ripe sorten true Catholic. Go Figure! The print needs to really be A LOT BIGGER all of the time.:D

[Asiel]

Good grief, catty, give it a rest would you?

I'm with you on this one. I keep wondering why is all of this reprinted when everyone has already read it in every newspaper around. For months the media has been playing this over and over and the papers have published and republished the details.
If anyone is interested in thrillers they are sold in every corner store, bookstore or newstand around. Your local library has tons of them also....

[wombat2u2004]

I'm with you on this one. I keep wondering why is all of this reprinted when everyone has already read it in every newspaper around. For months the media has been playing this over and over and the papers have published and republished the details.
If anyone is interested in thrillers they are sold in every corner store, bookstore or newstand around. Your local library has tons of them also....

Nobody is doubting that it has been played back and forth in the newspapers.
The point is.....it has been posted here for discussion, and if one wishes to discuss, then they will read the original post and follow the discussion accordingly.
If one wishes NOT to discuss, or if they have no original interest in the matter, then why on earth would they post something like "Oh give it a rest Catty" ??? Seems to me that some people just agree to disagree.

"If anyone is interested in thrillers they are sold in every corner store, bookstore or newstand around. Your local library has tons of them also.."

True. But for the time being, I'm more interested in this particular thread. I have no need to buy a thriller....it's all about choice....isn't it ??? ;)

[Bonny]

I agree with you Wombat. In Canada it has been their main news. I just heard about it last week & was shocked. You look up to someone in that high ranking position & go why? A person wants to know WHY?

They have the brains of deceased serial killers preserved to study what defects if any may have caused them to kill their own kind.

This man had everything going for him. He seemed to have it all, power & respect. Was it to much for him to handle that it set him off in the wrong direction? He had a set pattern, was it the danger & intrigue? Maybe he was bored with life? Could it all have been prevented? Could he have received help before it all got out of control? :confused: A sad case of affairs for everyone.

[wombat2u2004]

I agree with you Wombat. In Canada it has been their main news. I just heard about it last week & was shocked. You look up to someone in that high ranking position & go why? A person wants to know WHY?

They have the brains of deceased serial killers preserved to study what defects if any may have caused them to kill their own kind.

This man had everything going for him. He seemed to have it all, power & respect. Was it to much for him to handle that it set him off in the wrong direction? He had a set pattern, was it the danger & intrigue? Maybe he was bored with life? Could it all have been prevented? Could he have received help before it all got out of control? :confused: A sad case of affairs for everyone.

Oh Bonny. So many many questions.....so little time. :p

[Asiel]

Nobody is doubting that it has been played back and forth in the newspapers.
The point is.....it has been posted here for discussion, and if one wishes to discuss, then they will read the original post and follow the discussion accordingly.
If one wishes NOT to discuss, or if they have no original interest in the matter, then why on earth would they post something like "Oh give it a rest Catty" ??? Seems to me that some people just agree to disagree.

"If anyone is interested in thrillers they are sold in every corner store, bookstore or newstand around. Your local library has tons of them also.."

True. But for the time being, I'm more interested in this particular thread. I have no need to buy a thriller....it's all about choice....isn't it ??? ;)




It might be news to those who aren't in Canada or the U.S I guess. As for being more interesting in this thread, not for me. Yes, it is a matter of choice but I prefer to stop dwelling on other people's misery. I have plenty of that right before my very eyes when I see battered kids.
Maybe I'm just wondering of how this man's wife must feel at the moment, actually I don't have to wonder I already know the answer to that one. Might be why Cataholic prefers to give it a rest also, some of us just don't get off on other people's hardships.
We can hash and rehash the story for years but no one will ever know the real story or facts.:(

[wombat2u2004]

Might be why Cataholic prefers to give it a rest also, some of us just don't get off on other people's hardships.(

That's fair enough.
Perhaps it may be fair to the original thread poster, that if someone isn't interested in the subject, to not read it in the first place....OR...follow the discussion of those who are interested in the subject.
I mean....how many times have you seen someone who posts on your friends threads....something like "Good Grief Cataholic, must you post about your cats again??? Give it a rest would ya ??" Never I bet. Some people, just LIKE to cause trouble. Maybe your friend should give it a rest.

[Cataholic]

That's fair enough.
Perhaps it may be fair to the original thread poster, that if someone isn't interested in the subject, to not read it in the first place....OR...follow the discussion of those who are interested in the subject.
I mean....how many times have you seen someone who posts on your friends threads....something like "Good Grief Cataholic, must you post about your cats again??? Give it a rest would ya ??" Never I bet. Some people, just LIKE to cause trouble. Maybe your friend should give it a rest.

Wom, I am not really getting you. I mean, surely, I know you have this thing with me and my posts, and like to rattle my cage. I am on board with that, and it really doesn't bother me. But, sometimes, like this time, you are off base with your thoughts on what I might be doing. Let me explain.

If you look on here, there is one person that spends a lot of time bringing to our attention all the horrors of the world. No need to name names, just go look at the last 90 days of posts started in the DH, and you will see for yourself. It is like our own personal yahoo news, or something.

Considering the "struggles" this person has with life in general (only cause it is posted publically do I know this), it makes you wonder if it isn't this fascination with the horrors of this world that contributes to these struggles.

This has nothing to do with posting about pets, this has nothing to do with differences of opinion. It has to do with the sheer number of "Debbie Downer" posts this one person makes. To dredge up this dramatic stuff all.the.time. is just off.

I know you are one of her "cheerleaders" as you like to call it, and that is super! The worst thing someone can do is agree with someone just because they like the person. It shows a total lack of credibility, frankly.

So, that is my explanation for saying, "enough already". Cause, it is -IMO- enough. So, enjoy jumping to the aid of anyone I happen to disagree with. I am used to it, expect it, and find it kind of sad. I want everyone to go forth with their own mind in position. Not just jump on some bandwagon out of a misplaced sense of loyalty or friendship.

Again, keep it up with me. I can handle it. :)

[Asiel]

That's fair enough.
Perhaps it may be fair to the original thread poster, that if someone isn't interested in the subject, to not read it in the first place....OR...follow the discussion of those who are interested in the subject.
I mean....how many times have you seen someone who posts on your friends threads....something like "Good Grief Cataholic, must you post about your cats again??? Give it a rest would ya ??" Never I bet. Some people, just LIKE to cause trouble. Maybe your friend should give it a rest.


You're assuming wrong Wom...I din't agree with the post because of "friendship" as you think. I barely know Cataholic but she just happens to have put into words what I was thinking myself. If you had posted that I would have agreed with you or anyone else for that matter.
Cataholic is a cat person and I'm a dog person so I rarely meet up with her posts unless I have time to read everything on here. I just happen to think she was right this time.
Don't we get enough drama from the news every night, it's at a point where I dread even watching the news because of all negativity and turmoil, seems the whole world is in turmoil so why dwell on something that is so old and done with?

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Don't we get enough drama from the news every night, it's at a point where I dread even watching the news because of all negativity and turmoil, seems the whole world is in turmoil so why dwell on something that is so old and done with?

Then......don't follow the thread.
This is Doghouse, we discuss many things here, both good and bad.

If I see a thread written on a subject I'm not interested in.....I don't even bother clicking on it, let alone posting a message.
Same goes for some of the members here who never have anything good to say, but would rather attack people for posting threads.....I put them on ignore, that way I don't have to put up with their trolling.
Isn't that a good way to keep the peace ???
It's all about choice, as I said before.