Clomicalm?

[mbr64]

Hello - I am new to this forum and wondered if anyone has used Clomicalm for cat separation anxiety? In fact, is "Clomicalm" the actual name of the med, or is it called "prozac"? We have tried prozac before but that did not work. We also tried Feliway, Rescue Remedy, all sorts of herbal things. Basically, we used to have 3 cats, and 2 have since passed away (old age). Our 9 yr old now gets stressed out when we leave for vacation. She is Ok for about 2 days, then she just gets absolutely stressed out and pee's and poo's outside the box anywhere (not medical issue). We keep her in a very large cage when we leave now. I'm thinking maybe Clomicalm will reduce her anxiety while we are gone. I realize we likely would have to get her on it for a time before we leave, and maybe just keep her on a low dose indefinitely if it works and no side effects.

Thanks!

[Medusa]

Hi and welcome to Pet Talk! Yes, I have 4 of my cats on Clomicalm and have for years w/no side effects whatsoever. I originally started them on it for pee wars; I had two males who sprayed and then two others followed suit. I was just about to lose my mind when my vet recommended Clomicalm. They each get 5 mg. at bedtime; it doesn't drug them at all, just keeps them calm and best of all, no pee issues. It was originally made for dogs w/separation anxiety but vets are now recommending it for cats as well.

I wouldn't be w/o it. I tried several other meds before Clomicalm. One of them worked for a little while but Clomicalm has never stopped working. My vet said that it might take up to 6-12 weeks before it started working but that hasn't been the case here. It started working almost immediately. I think that you'll be happy w/it; just give it some time just in case it does take a while b/c all cats are different.

Good luck and please keep us posted. It's tough to go somewhere knowing that our furkids are stressing and missing us but Clomicalm solved the problem for me. :)

[mbr64]

Thanks so much for your reply. Our cat I think just needs something to take the edge off a little. Some of the other drugs we have tried in the past changed her personality too much, zoned her out. Getting another cat is out of the questions right now because she takes Proin for her bladder and also a special food since she develops crystals at the bat of an eye.

I'll keep you posted!

[mbr64]

Mary - no constipation or change of personality for your cats on Clomicalm then? That's good. How do you administer the pill? Can you crush it in the food or do you have to use pill gun?

Thanks,
Mike

[Medusa]

Nope, no changes in personality whatsoever and no constipation either. No problems at all or I would've taken them off it. I have blood work done once a year just to be on the safe side but they've been on it for approximately 6 years now and all is well.

My cats are easy to pill so I just tilt their heads back and pop the pill in but do whatever works for you. I buy the 20 mg. pills and cut them into quarters so that they're so small the cats barely notice when I pop a pill in. Just be sure not to miss a dose; that's key, and if you give it to them at bed time, they'll be calm and most likely will sleep through the night, no night time antics. As I said, it doesn't drug them, just prevents their nasty habits. Boo, my blackie, has a bad gag reflex so I give him a little dab of Cat Lax to coat his stomach a little and to help it go down smoothly and that works just fine. Specs, my Maine Coon, gets dosed morning and night b/c he's a big boy and he's more prone to act up. If you could see him, though, you'd never notice a difference. He's completely alert, active and a general pain in the patootie. LOL :)

[mbr64]

Great, thanks! Our cat only has problems when we leave for longer than say 3 days, so hopefully it will calm her separation anxiety while we are gone.

I wonder if we can just dose her for the time we are gone, maybe start a few days before hand, and quit after we return? I guess we will figure that out on a trial and error basis. Do you know if it's ok to just stop the med? 5 mg seems like a pretty small dose.

[Medusa]

Yes, 5 mg. is a small dose but it's all that's needed for us. Your vet can tell you what dosage is appropriate and you may have to play w/the dosage for a while.

As for starting and stopping, that hasn't worked for me. It's important not to miss a dose or the stressing and/or inappropriate behavior can start up again. If you only want to medicate your cats while you're away, perhaps talk to your vet about amitryptilene. A small dose of that also keeps them calm. I was dosing my cats for a different reason, inappropriate peeing, so that drug only worked for a little while.

Also, have you tried Feliway? There is a plug-in that you can try and Catty1 has had great success w/spraying just a little tiny bit on her cats' stretchy collars to keep them from stressing. She swears by it. Once again, I had no success w/it. I tried the plug-ins and my cats peed on it. LOL However, your situation is due mainly to separation anxiety so it may work for you. Perhaps PM Catty1 and see what she says. I'm sure she'll be happy to help.
:)

[mbr64]

We tried the Feliway spray and plug-ins as well, no help. Here's hoping the clomicalm works!

Thanks again.

[mbr64]

Well, my cat has been on the clomicalm for 6 days now. There are a couple side effects I am a bit concerned about. She is pretty sedated - I assume that will go away once she gets used to the med? Also, she seems a bit constipated - will that go away? She weighs 10 pounds on we have her on 5 mg/day dose. We open the capsule and mix it with tuna juice. Once capsule mixed with 5 ml of tuna juice - she gets 1 ml per day which apparently equates to 5 mg/day. I wonder if I should lesson the dose a little, or just wait it out and see if the side effects go away?

thanks

[Medusa]

Five mg. may be too much for her. Shave a little off, perhaps in half, and see how she does w/that. I've got all mine on 5 mg. at night. They aren't sedated but just calmer; it does help them sleep. Are you administering it at night? That may also be part of the problem. I do have one that takes 5 mg. morning and night b/c he's a particularly tricky character but he isn't sedated in the least. Each cat is different, just like humans, so you may have to play w/the dosage for a while before you get it right. Don't give up. And keep the faythe. :)

I just thought of something else. The Clomicalm that I get is in tablet form. When they swallow it, it probably takes longer to get into their system. Yours is a powder that goes down w/food and it may react more quickly. I don't know that for sure, not being a pharmacist or a vet, but it might be the case. Are you able to get the tablets instead of the capsules?

[mbr64]

Just capsules for now, however, maybe in future I can get tablets.

We noticed she has some trouble passing urine in the box, as she keeps 'trying' but nothing comes out for awhile. Also, number 2 has not happened as much as normal. I think I will cut dose down a bit. She is on it for 'separation anxiety', and we are leaving for 5 days beginning Friday. She just needs something to cut the edge off a little while we are gone. I think a lower dose may do the trick!

thanks!

[Medusa]

Just capsules for now, however, maybe in future I can get tablets.

We noticed she has some trouble passing urine in the box, as she keeps 'trying' but nothing comes out for awhile. Also, number 2 has not happened as much as normal. I think I will cut dose down a bit. She is on it for 'separation anxiety', and we are leaving for 5 days beginning Friday. She just needs something to cut the edge off a little while we are gone. I think a lower dose may do the trick!

thanks!

If she's having trouble passing urine, then stop the Clomicalm and call your vet ASAP. She may be having a reaction to it or it may have nothing to do w/it at all but it sounds as though she's developing a bladder infection. That's very painful and she'll continue to strain until she passes blood if she does have a bladder infection. Don't put off calling your vet. Time is of the essence.

[mbr64]

If she's having trouble passing urine, then stop the Clomicalm and call your vet ASAP. She may be having a reaction to it or it may have nothing to do w/it at all but it sounds as though she's developing a bladder infection. That's very painful and she'll continue to strain until she passes blood if she does have a bladder infection. Don't put off calling your vet. Time is of the essence.

Hi - spoke to VET. She does pee and poo, just retains it much longer. We cut med in half and will see if that works better. The vet suggested switching to a low dose of zoloft, they have had good success with that and no side effects at all. In the past we tried prozac and elavil with no help. Do you have experience with zoloft?

BTW - we have become 'experts' on bladder infections with this cat, so no worries there. The only food she can eat is dissolution gravy otherwise she develops stones and gets infection etc. Unfortunately Royal Canin has stopped that food, now we must switch to Urinary SO gravy - that better work!

thanks,
mike

[Medusa]

Nope, haven't tried Zoloft. They were on Buspar and Elavil to no avail. I'm glad you're keeping an eye on the bladder thing. Good luck w/the Zoloft and keep us posted. If you're going to medicate her only for a few days, Ametryptilene is probably the way to go. You can't miss a dose w/Clomicalm or it stops working so unless your cat sitter can dose her, it might be best to leave it alone. Good luck w/whatever you decide. :)

[mbr64]

The sitter will dose her (she works at the vet clinic). Are your cats all males that are on the clomicalm?

[Medusa]

The sitter will dose her (she works at the vet clinic). Are your cats all males that are on the clomicalm?

Three males and one female.

[mbr64]

Three males and one female.

Ah, all of them are on clomicalm?

[Medusa]

Ah, all of them are on clomicalm?

Yep. One other female who isn't on it. She's my good girl. LOL

[mbr64]

Hi Mary,

Well, the Zoloft tab 1x/day is working pretty good for the last month or so. No side effects, she's relatively calm, uses the box. Fingers crossed moving forward, but looks good!

Thanks,
Mike

[Medusa]

Hi Mary,

Well, the Zoloft tab 1x/day is working pretty good for the last month or so. No side effects, she's relatively calm, uses the box. Fingers crossed moving forward, but looks good!

Thanks,
Mike

Hey, great news! :D

[blueskyau]

Hi Mary,
I have two cats (two male & female burmese, love them to death) for over 4 years, they been really good since the first day I bought them into the house.

About 3 weeks ago, neighbor two dogs came right to my glass sliding door (few times actually), might have to scared the cats. They strated to spraying all over the places (microwave, kitchen bench, curtain, wall..etc)

I got very angry with cats at first, but after reading & research from the internet, it seems a stress or anxiety symptoms.

Took them to the vet to get them checked to make sure is not health related & the vet given Clomicalm, they started ther treadment last night, and make them sleep (they make me upset to see them like that).

I just hope the medication will help them calm and stop the spray, I WANT MY CATS BACK!

[Karen]

If they are still seeming sleepy tomorrow, call the vet and ask about lowering the dose. Different kitties metabolize drugs differently, and it's basically a trial and error and adjust sort of thing.

[Medusa]

You may have to play w/the dosage for a while until you get it adjusted. Also, I give it to my Fur Posse only at night. They don't get drowsy; they just chill out. I hear them playing during the night, etc. They get 1/4 of a 20 mg. tablet and that does the trick. It sometimes takes a while for it to begin working but it worked immediately for my cats. Check the dosage and if it's higher than 5 mg., talk to your vet about lowering the dosage. It's been a godsend for me. Good luck and let us know how you make out. :p

[Cataholic]

I was unsuccessful pilling my cats. I went with something different, and have had HUGE success with it.

Background- nine indoor only cats.Life was harmonious. I added Molly, an adult stray, and all heck broke loose. The introduction was slow, I do not believe that was the cause. Contemporaneously with the addition of Molly was the fostering in my garage of two cats that I don't believe were box trained. My garage reeked!! So, I think it was a combo of too many cats for my household and some marking against the cats in the garage.

After ruling out health issues, and cleaning up daily pee- everywhere...and I mean everywhere...I was told about nurtureCALM 24/7 collars. They are a sustained release of Pheromones, with the understanding they will modify certain behaviours (separation anxiety, marking, destructive behaviour and aggression). LOL, I had 3 out of 4 behaviours in three out of ten cats.

I bought the collars for three cats, put them on them (which isn't easy...), and noticed a difference within HOURS. HOURS. One cat panicked with the collar and got it stuck in her jaw- which freaked me out. I got it released, and she was fine. The other panicked and scritchy scratched for a few days, and now ignores it. The last one? Not sure she even knows she has it on her, LOL.

That was on Feb 3 or Feb 4th. Fast forward to Feb 23rd...I started to notice pee, again. UGH! So, yesterday, I went and bought three more collars, and put them on them again last night, the 25th. This time, the only one of them freaked out (cause you have to restrain him to put the collar on...), and again, it SEEMS like we are golden again.

I haven't found any pee since I put them on the cats again, and none of the aggression or stalking that I had been seeing before collars.

I bought the first three for $18/each. I bought these second sets for $14/each. I want to try to replicate the collars with soft breakaway collars, and am exploring Catty's and I think Moosmom's idea of spraying Feliway on to the soft collars.

I am not against medication, at all. But, for me, medicating three cats was simply impossible to do. I have medicated cats before...many times, and my RB Tex was on thyroid meds for 6 years. Twice a day, no problem. Some cats are stinkers. Some cats pill easily.

I encourage you to look into the collars.

Good luck!

[Medusa]

I was unsuccessful pilling my cats. I went with something different, and have had HUGE success with it.

Background- nine indoor only cats.Life was harmonious. I added Molly, an adult stray, and all heck broke loose. The introduction was slow, I do not believe that was the cause. Contemporaneously with the addition of Molly was the fostering in my garage of two cats that I don't believe were box trained. My garage reeked!! So, I think it was a combo of too many cats for my household and some marking against the cats in the garage.

After ruling out health issues, and cleaning up daily pee- everywhere...and I mean everywhere...I was told about nurtureCALM 24/7 collars. They are a sustained release of Pheromones, with the understanding they will modify certain behaviours (separation anxiety, marking, destructive behaviour and aggression). LOL, I had 3 out of 4 behaviours in three out of ten cats.

I bought the collars for three cats, put them on them (which isn't easy...), and noticed a difference within HOURS. HOURS. One cat panicked with the collar and got it stuck in her jaw- which freaked me out. I got it released, and she was fine. The other panicked and scritchy scratched for a few days, and now ignores it. The last one? Not sure she even knows she has it on her, LOL.

That was on Feb 3 or Feb 4th. Fast forward to Feb 23rd...I started to notice pee, again. UGH! So, yesterday, I went and bought three more collars, and put them on them again last night, the 25th. This time, the only one of them freaked out (cause you have to restrain him to put the collar on...), and again, it SEEMS like we are golden again.

I haven't found any pee since I put them on the cats again, and none of the aggression or stalking that I had been seeing before collars.

I bought the first three for $18/each. I bought these second sets for $14/each. I want to try to replicate the collars with soft breakaway collars, and am exploring Catty's and I think Moosmom's idea of spraying Feliway on to the soft collars.

I am not against medication, at all. But, for me, medicating three cats was simply impossible to do. I have medicated cats before...many times, and my RB Tex was on thyroid meds for 6 years. Twice a day, no problem. Some cats are stinkers. Some cats pill easily.

I encourage you to look into the collars.

Good luck!

This is good to know. My cats are easy to pill, no problem whatsoever, except I have to catch Yodie first. She's liked greased lightning when she runs. However, this collar would be great when I go on vacation b/c I wouldn't have to worry about my cat sitter pilling them. I'm going to look into this.

[Cataholic]

AND, I did some re-thinking. My pee issues were multi faceted. Stress was a factor, marking for territorial control was, too. I also noticed some secret stalking like behaviour in which one cat, Ari, would lay across a threshhold blocking two litterboxes in two separate rooms. Score points for ingenuity, lose points for sucessful pee blocking tactics. I now have one box more on this main level, and I think I outsmarted Ari. I *think*!!
I havent found pee but a couple times in the last 30 days and none in the last week.

[Cataholic]

Well, the pee issues haven't gone away completely, though they HAVE decreased. As I mentioned earlier, my pee issues are multi-faceted. It isn't JUST spraying for territorial reasons, there are aggression issues and timidness/insecurity issues (though those all have a common factor).

So, I am still doing the collars (though they seem to wear off at about three weeks in, which is when I noticed pee again), but I have added kitty prozac. Thanks to Medusa for being so patient with the explanations.

I couldn't pill them originally. I wanted two to be on it, Molly as she is the main pee'r, and the timid one that gets attacked, and Sonic, the territorial sprayer and one of the aggressors. I left Ari out of it, hoping the other two's behaviours would affect hers.

I found pill pockets for cats and cannot believe how simple that is! Two treats, two pills, I feed Molly separately, anyhow, and just put hers down on a plate, close the door, and come back five minutes later with her wet food, and she has already eaten the pill pocket. Sonic gobbles his up, and then gets his food five seconds later, as he is a very foody cat.

As for personality changes, I have noticed a calmer house. I have ten cats, and the stress of the three was resulting in fights all over, pee, tension, growling (even amongst those not directly involved). I thought I noticed some extra sleepyness with Sonic, and I still can't say it isn't true....but he is so much calmer. Sonic is what I would call an ADHD cat, he needs love and attention all the time, and he is hard to settle down. The last two days, he has seemed less anxious, not so much on 'high alert'.

Molly hasn't seemed more sleepy, but she IS more bold/brave, and I swear, that is giving off the appropriate messages to the two aggressors- Sonic and Ari. She, too, seems less on edge.

I don't know. I hate to be too hopeful, but each day is a new day....and these last few days with prozac have been nice.

[Cataholic]

Reporting in another few days later. I have found possibly one fresh pee spot, in the basement (can't swear it is fresh...it might be, though) and one poop on the rug upstairs- in Molly's place. I know that is fresh. BUT, this is really positive news, considering what I have experienced.

The behaviours are still different! Molly is a crazy girl, running after other cats, being chased by other cats- but in a GOOD way! She has ventured into the bedroom (previously off limits because of her choosing), and really seems more outgoing.I have seen her use the litterbox several times, and she ALWAYS uses the box when I confine her into a room, with me in there. I try to do that several times a day to make sure she is going.

Ari- seems to be back to her 'leave me alone, I am a people cat, not a cat's cat' ways.

Sonic- I still notice some anxiety with Sonic, a stalking like pose, and maybe some more sleepiness. It would be his fresh pee mark in the basement, most likely. But, I am still holding on hope that in a few weeks, when everyone has adjusted, he will be ok. And, maybe I need to up his amount, dunno.

The knock down drag out fights are non-existent this last week. That is great.

[Medusa]

That does sound like positive progress, Johanna. I imagine in a few weeks everything will have been ironed out and you'll have total peace and contentment in your household. :)

[Annie T. Baxter]

Hi Cataholic,

Last night I read through this thread and really felt for what you have been trying to do for your cats. How wonderful that they have you...not everyone would be committed enough to keep "at it" until the right solution for feline peace can be found!

So happy to read the positive progress you are seeing!

Until next time...Annie

[Cataholic]

Reporting in again, largely positive results! I increased my male's to twice aday, and that seems to be the trick. The house seems nearly normal once again. Prozac and pill pockets saved our sanity. :)

[lucie12345]

Hi and welcome to Pet Talk! Yes, I have 4 of my cats on Clomicalm and have for years w/no side effects whatsoever. I originally started them on it for pee wars; I had two males who sprayed and then two others followed suit. I was just about to lose my mind when my vet recommended Clomicalm. They each get 5 mg. at bedtime; it doesn't drug them at all, just keeps them calm and best of all, no pee issues. It was originally made for dogs w/separation anxiety but vets are now recommending it for cats as well.

I wouldn't be w/o it. I tried several other meds before Clomicalm. One of them worked for a little while but Clomicalm has never stopped working. My vet said that it might take up to 6-12 weeks before it started working but that hasn't been the case here. It started working almost immediately. I think that you'll be happy w/it; just give it some time just in case it does take a while b/c all cats are different.

Good luck and please keep us posted. It's tough to go somewhere knowing that our furkids are stressing and missing us but Clomicalm solved the problem for me. :)

Hello Medusa

I was researching for quite a while and at last I found your posts about clomicalm and your cats. We have trouble with our eldest cat who have started spraying everywhere after our two kittens got a bit older. He was fine with our first cat, but all things changed after she had kittens :( The reason why Im contacting you is a bit unusual as I am from UK and Clomicalm is for whatever reason not legal for cats and as the strongest medication you are advised to have Feliway or Zylkene. Well none of these worked for our cat and at the moment we are just soo desperate. We love our cats very much and dont want to give anyone away. It is doo frustrating as we have to investigate where did he spray every morning and I think we are getting more stress than him. Every morning we just want to strangle him, but of course we have to be nice and dont punish him as it would cause even more stress. I dont even know if I want to cry or scream. I really want to have a normal life again. It is costing us just more and more money ( we had to get rid of our sofa, my monitor, bean bags, some plug sockets as all those and other things he pissed on ). Well my question is: Is there an any change you could buy and send me that medication to UK for my cat? I can pay via paypal for example. I am just soo desperate that dont know what to do...

Lucie

[Cataholic]

Yeah, well, not working. I have had pee nearly every single day, sometimes two times a day. This am, I woke up to pee on the bed, and pee on a pillow that had fallen to the floor at 6 am, and peed on by 7 am. UGH. Molly was laying in her own pee on the kitchen floor yesterday. Pee on pajamas in the bathroom that Saturday morning. And, on and on. 'Fraid I am again at my wit's end.

I had tapered off their meds, beginning Friday morning, but it seems impossible that this could happen so quickly. Needless to say, Molly got 'full strength' this am. I will begin locking her in the bedroom overnight, too. :(

[tracemul7]

Hi All,

New to this forum, but I know how you all feel.
I have 3 house cats (2 bengals- M&F and a russian blue X -M) - all gorgeous cats and fantastic temperament. Never aggressive towards eachother or anyone else.

We had a bad experience with a house sitter (didnt empty the litter trays for 3 weeks while were overseas). Came back to 3 very stressed cats and a house that stunk! Lucky we have mostly tiled floors, otherwise carpets would have been wrecked!

We've spent a fortune on cleaning products ... floors, walls, surfaces, blinds, soft materials on the floor (towels, mats etc), computers, TVs, speakers ... nothing has been safe :(

The 2 bengals are still very stressed and spray alot round the house. Partly linked to the stress, and also neighbouring cats keep visiting, which isnt helping.
We tried feliway before with minimal success, but gnna try it again anyway (cant hurt - right)?

Looking at going on Clomicalm for somewhere between 1 and 3 months - the problem is that our vet has quoted $74 AUD for 30 tablets .... for 2 cats for 3 months is almost $450AUD! Ouch!

Any advice gratefully received! Trace

[Cataholic]

I am back. I did a thorough cleaning of the upstairs litterboxes, and all areas of pee happenings. I also put down tin foil in an area that seems to be a favorite spot, with a bowl of food on the side of the tin foil. Then, I again tampered with the medication doses. I now have both of them on 1/4 tab one time a day (perhaps this is half the amount normally prescribed) with plans to take Sonic off of it completely in a few days.

Call me crazy, but, I have been pee free for a few days now. I do notice that Molly 'leaks' a little. I have pee pads on the bed, where she tends to hang out, and that has helped. I have still confined her to Jonah's room at night, and I am not sure that will remain constant, or not.

I am going to stay hyper viligant on the cleaning of the boxes, keep the tin foil where it is, and hope to report back in 30 days that my house has returned to normal. Sigh...can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. :)

Trace- since you spell neighboring 'wrong', (just teasing!), I am guessing you are not an american. That, and you put the money denomination in something other than USD. Nothing gets by me. I don't know if you can order/get shipped OdorXit to Australia? If you can, I would buy some and clean according to instructions.

I also had a friend pass me this link: www.indoorpet.osu.edu. I encourage you to read up on it, it has some great tidbits!!

[Annette3]

Hi Trace

I live in Australia also and have recently placed one of my cats on clomicalm. My vets charging $60 for a full bottle which is 60 days supply. Further with your cleaning issue, I can sympathize here also- try trigene. You will probably have to ask your vet to sell you this- it's $50 a liter but it's extremely strong Abd you dilute it. It's actually the stuff the vets use to rid the smells and disinfect.

Hope that helps


Hi All,

New to this forum, but I know how you all feel.
I have 3 house cats (2 bengals- M&F and a russian blue X -M) - all gorgeous cats and fantastic temperament. Never aggressive towards eachother or anyone else.

We had a bad experience with a house sitter (didnt empty the litter trays for 3 weeks while were overseas). Came back to 3 very stressed cats and a house that stunk! Lucky we have mostly tiled floors, otherwise carpets would have been wrecked!

We've spent a fortune on cleaning products ... floors, walls, surfaces, blinds, soft materials on the floor (towels, mats etc), computers, TVs, speakers ... nothing has been safe :(

The 2 bengals are still very stressed and spray alot round the house. Partly linked to the stress, and also neighbouring cats keep visiting, which isnt helping.
We tried feliway before with minimal success, but gnna try it again anyway (cant hurt - right)?

Looking at going on Clomicalm for somewhere between 1 and 3 months - the problem is that our vet has quoted $74 AUD for 30 tablets .... for 2 cats for 3 months is almost $450AUD! Ouch!

Any advice gratefully received! Trace

[Cataholic]

Just in case anyone out there is reading, and struggling with this same issue, I want to update again.

First, the tin foil and more food, strategically placed, seemed to make a difference. After speaking to a pet psychic (thanks, Karen!) AND watching another marathon of Jackson Galaxy, My Cat From Hell (thanks, Jackson!), I came to realize I might have been medicating the wrong cat, and interpreting his pee issues incorrectly. Sonic is completely off the prozac, and a wonderful, loving, non wide-eyed, boy again.

I put Ari on the prozac, and since then- it has been about 2 plus weeks, have found just a few pee spots. One I know was from Minnie, on my bed, completely unrelated to this 'problem' pee issue I have had since August, last. I totally get Minnie's issue, it is so infrequent, and not worthy of explanation here.

It seemed that Molly was trying to assert her position ahead of Arizona, as the pee areas were often where Arizona would eat. I think the struggle was between these two girls, and Sonic was just reacting to the stress of it all. At least that is what I think right now. LOL.

Excluding Minnie's bed pee (which she has done 3 or 4 times in the 10 years I have had her living under my bed), I have found two or maybe three pees in nearly 3 weeks. That is such a improvement! And, as time goes on, I hope it just goes away completely.

Prozac- my new best friend.