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Moesha
10-20-2009, 11:31 PM
I've tried starting this thread several times and am just not sure how to do it. Forgive me for the long post. I tried to make it short, but it just kept growing each time. I think this may be the shortest one yet.

On Saturday my friend and her husband asked me to go with them to Nashville to get winter coats. (I have a terrible coat addiction and made a promise to myself that I would not even look at any for me.) I stuck to my guns! I picked out a coat for each of them. Then we were going to go to eat. But and you knew there was a but coming, didn't you? I asked if I could run into PetSmart to get cat food. I had determined I was not going to look at the kitties there. I just couldn't handle doing that right now. So in I walked, got my cat food, and looked over at my friend staring at the kitties. The area was closed for cleaning. Knowing I couldn't go in and have any kitties grab me, I walked over as a big orange bum was crawling under the cages. He had just been let out so that his cage could be cleaned. I saw a 3 month old smoke gray kitten, Boo. He didn't seem very interested in us though. He finally opened his eyes, and they looked gold rather than green. Oh well. Plus, he was a kitten. If I were going to adopt, my preference would be for an adult male that had been given up by owners. I dodged a bullet! The lady who was cleaning the orange kitty's cage said that if we were interested in adopting we could come inside. We were just looking, so off to the checkout and out the door! SAFE!

Until I was bored on Sunday and felt brave enough to go on Petfinder! OOPS!:eek: I was only searching for gray males. I thought I'd see if I could find Boo online. I couldn't find him going through searches. Finally I remembered the name of the rescue organization that had the cats at PetSmart that day. Nope, still no Boo. But...yup, another but. I found the owner of that orange bum! His name is Schroeder. He had been adopted over two years ago but was returned when his owner could no longer take care of him because of cancer treatments. He lost his owner to cancer. I lost my kitty to cancer. And we have the same color hair/fur!

I sent an e-mail asking tons of questions about him and then spent the rest of the night checking my e-mail every 5 minutes. Nothing. No response Monday. Today, I found a different e-mail address for the rescue organization and forwarded the other e-mail to that one. The response was from someone on the board of directors. She didn't have answers to all of my questions but did give me some additional information. Schroeder's foster mom won't have access to e-mail until Thursday. I responded by sending a phone number. Hopefully I'll get a call tomorrow.

Anyway, I'm nervous because I've never adopted through a rescue organization. I'm scared they won't let me adopt him. I'm scared he won't like me. I can't wait to meet him in person and see if he'll fit in around here. I know Aroara won't be happy, especially at first. But if he is laid back enough, I think she'll come around, eventually. So long story short, I'm not sure if he will live with me, but I did get permission for him to live here. If our meeting goes well and the rescue organization will approve it, Schroeder just may have a home here. He will never replace Morgan, but maybe we can help each other get over the losses we've recently experienced. Now, I'll shut up and show you his picture...

Meet Schroeder:

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/SchroederOnPetfinder.jpg

Any suggestions for the rescue application process?

Grace
10-20-2009, 11:43 PM
Oh, he is magnificent!! And so very wise - one can tell that from his eyes.

We adopted Abigail back in 2002, after finding her on Petfinder.com. Long story how we got to that point, but the process was not too terrible. We found her; I sent an email; she was brought to our house by her foster mom. I think they wanted to make sure we would be kind to her. I remember her foster mom telling me - if I didn't think it would work don't worry about it.

What they want is a good home for Schroeder - a forever home. Anyone of us could give you a wonderful reference :)

Taz_Zoee
10-21-2009, 12:01 AM
He is amazingly handsome! He looks so regal in that picture.

I'm sure they will have no reason not to adopt him to you. You are a wonderful person!! :D

Prairie Purrs
10-21-2009, 12:06 AM
What a handsome guy! I hope you're able to bring him home very soon. Of course he won't replace Morgan, but he'll find his own place in your heart. Good luck!

Edwina's Secretary
10-21-2009, 12:08 AM
I can see why you fell for him! That marble coat looks good enough to eat! And that knowing look....he is a keeper.

Hope it all turns out for you both...

karyn674
10-21-2009, 02:29 AM
Ah! Moesha,

I'm so sorry for your loss, but (and yes another but still!!) as you say you can help eachother through difficult times, and I do understand you.....he is so handome! Defenitely a keeper!!!

Everything will work out fine for both of you, I'm sure!

pomtzu
10-21-2009, 07:34 AM
He's gorgeous. Here's hoping he finds his furever home with you.

kitten645
10-21-2009, 07:40 AM
OMG he is gorgeous! And he is wise and feels your lose. You can see it in his eyes. Best of luck to both of you. I hope you are schmoozaling his thick beautiful fur soon. :love::love::love:
Claudia

Pinot's Mom
10-21-2009, 08:21 AM
:)What a stunning kitty!! I agree, those eyes do look very knowing; ah, I so hope this works out all the way around. There has to be a reason you're trying so hard!
I don't have advise for the adoption process; Pinot was from the SPCA and there wasn't much over the interview. Good luck!;)

orangemm
10-21-2009, 08:23 AM
Looks like you two made a connection! I'm going to keep my fingers crossed for both of you; it sounds like you may have a new adoptee soon!

Things always happen for the best. In this case you and Schroeder are probably meant for each other.

Keep us posted. He is such a handsome boy and I know he would be most happy and grateful for a new furrever home with you.:):love:

catmandu
10-21-2009, 10:29 AM
:love::love::love:
I think that getting introduced will be no problem at all as Big Hnadsome Schroeder we bet will come right to yo!!
:cool::cool:
And Bless You for adopting an Owesome Orangie Older Cat, the Cat who so many people pass by looking for Kittens.
:(:(
Its a shame because these Mature Cats do make Wonderful Loving Companions!!!
Michael, Miquelito , Golden Rod and Golden Nugget and All the Owesome Orange Porch Angels send thier love to You and Schroeder.
:love::love::love:

Catty1
10-21-2009, 11:43 AM
So he's about 2 years old? What a stunning boy - and he looks pretty laid back.

Now I can't think of him as "Schroeder"; just "Orange Bum". Don't change his name though! ;):D

Anikaca77
10-21-2009, 01:02 PM
Moe-

He is gorgeous :)

I'm sure if you are honest with the pet rescue they will have no reason not to let you adopt Schroeder.

Prays that everything goes well with the meeting,
Melissa

lvpets2002
10-21-2009, 01:37 PM
:love: WoW Schroeder your so Handsome Adorable.. Adopting off of Pet Finder is no problem at all.. Several of my babies came off of Pet Finder.. Just E-Mail the Rescue Place where he is at or call if they give a phone number.. And then you all will meet & fill out the paper work & pay for his adoption & then your good to go.. Good Luck & let us know the outcome ok..

katladyd
10-21-2009, 02:16 PM
You have each suffered a loss due to cancer. You belong together! I'm praying that you and dear Schroeder get the chance to help each other heal!:love:

3Catcondo
10-21-2009, 04:55 PM
Moe!!!! He is so handsome, and you know I have a weakness for orange kitties. Adoption from rescue groups is easy, I know you won't have any problems at all. Good Luck, I can't wait to hear if you get him. If he's like all of the other oranges I've known, and since he's male, he will definitely be laid back. I think Orangies have the best disposition of all cats. :p

Yay for Moesha!!!!

Amy and furkids

Medusa
10-21-2009, 06:12 PM
Wow, Grace took my word, magnificent! Sure hope it works out for you, Moesha. :)

lizbud
10-21-2009, 07:51 PM
He is a beautiful boy and I love his name.:) Hope things work out
for you both.:)

phesina
10-21-2009, 08:39 PM
What a beautiful kitty! And surely you and he are destined to be together.

Moesha
10-21-2009, 11:11 PM
I guess either it doesn't really take much to adopt through Petsmart or I gave all the correct answers on the adoption form. I didn't have any trouble adopting him. I won't say that he loved me at first sight. All the people from the rescue organization with whom I communicated warned me that he hated being at Petsmart and didn't show well there. So he was a bit cautious, but interested. I did get to ask questions about what his regular disposition was like. I think he'll fit in here eventually. Aroara will NOT be happy once she finds out he is here. He is in one room right now. Of course he smells all the cat smells in there and is looking for them.

As I was checking out, one of the employees heard him squawking in the carrier. She asked if I had just adopted him from from there and then asked if it was Schroeder. She said Schroeder was her favorite kitty there.

I did learn that he had been adopted in August, but the lady returned him because he tried to dominate her cats. She loved Schroeder and wanted to keep him and get rid of her cats! :eek: Needless to say Nashville Cat Rescue did not allow that. I told them that I was afraid Aroara would try to dominate him. So hopefully they will come to an agreement of some sort. But that will be for a future time. They won't meet in "person" for awhile.

I did take a couple of pictures with the DSLR, but then I left the camera in the room with him when I came out here to post. I'll get them up tomorrow. Here are a couple
that I took with my phone before his adoption. Thanks for all the kind remarks. I sure hope he helps fill the void in my life since Morgan's passing and perhaps I can do the same for him. Cancer is a bad thing!

He's an orangie with GREEN eyes! I :love: green eyes so much!


http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/IMG00021-20091021-1854.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/IMG00020-20091021-1853.jpg

cassiesmom
10-21-2009, 11:21 PM
Oh my goodness! What a precious orangeman! I hope everything works out terrifically for you, Aroara, and Schroeder. My brother's family was adopted by an orangie. He, too, had a hard time letting his real personality (purr-sonality) come through at the shelter. I have a huge soft spot in my heart for orange kitties!

Paws and fingers crossed,
Elyse

Edwina's Secretary
10-22-2009, 12:05 AM
Welcome home Schroeder!

Catty1
10-22-2009, 12:07 AM
Welcome, Schroeder! If you weren't a hunky boy, I would say you have a BEAUTIFUL face! Stunning guy.:love::love::love:

Praying that all works out in the future. Who knows...maybe Aroara is missing her wrassling buddy. ;):love:

blue
10-22-2009, 01:19 AM
Congrats to you and welcome home Schroeder.

Barbara
10-22-2009, 03:53 AM
I think he has an adorable face.
And obviously they knew that a PetTalk home is a purrfect home (even if they didn't know about it ;)). I hope very much it will work out with Aroara.

Killearn Kitties
10-22-2009, 05:15 AM
He is gorgeous! I hope everything works out well for Schroeder, and he fits in.

orangemm
10-22-2009, 06:35 AM
Schroeder, you are right where you belong! Happy Homecoming!:love::love:

pomtzu
10-22-2009, 07:27 AM
Yay Schroeder!! Welcome home.

Congrats Moe. Hope he makes an easy transition into his new surroundings.

Randi
10-22-2009, 08:25 AM
What a gorgeous boy he is!! I'm so glad it worked out and he's with you now. A slow introduction to Aroara is a good idea, I think.

Welcome to your new home, Schroeder! We're all looking forward to hear how you're getting on.

Kisses and purrs from Fister and me. :love:

Pinot's Mom
10-22-2009, 08:26 AM
Welcome home Schroeder! You're getting a second chance in a wonderful, loving home! Congrats Moe!! He's beautiful!:D

Queen of Poop
10-22-2009, 09:12 AM
Welcome home Schroeder. There's a few of us starting new lives these days. I know yours will be full of love. Enjoy dear kitty.

GILL
10-22-2009, 09:19 AM
Welcome too your new home Schroeder. just remember play nice.

3Catcondo
10-22-2009, 09:22 AM
YAY for Moe and Schroeder!!!!! So happy for you both!!! :)

Moesha
10-22-2009, 09:56 AM
Obviously he is adjusting to being here. I kept him in the room with me last night. There were plenty of smells for him. He smells everything and you can hear him sniffing. It's funny. He was sticking his feet out under the door. Aroara had been sleeping on the couch and saw them! :eek: She didn't go over to investigate but carefully watched from her spot across the room. At the moment he is out investigating the rest of the house, smelling everything.

He slept in the same spot Morgan would sleep last night. He's eating and drinking and using the litterbox. He has that scared look in his eyes still. He will let us pet him and will even come over for a walk by rub. I think that once he realizes this is home he will settle down and become the snuggly boy that everyone tells me he is. He is curious. I think that is a sign of his intelligence. He wants to know everything around him, very much like Morgan. That's something that reminds me very much of Morgan. He wasn't trusting of everyone, but he'd size you up first. I'm sure Schroeder will come around. And eventually learn his name and when we are talking to him.

I'm trying to get information about his two years in his home before having to be returned. The lady I talked to yesterday didn't know much about her and thinks that she has died. I don't think that she called him Schroeder because he doesn't seem to recognize that name. But the rescue organization said that is the only name they have for him on his file. I like the name, so once he learns it, we'll be ok. I'll post more pictures in a while.

catmandu
10-22-2009, 10:38 AM
I think that Schroeder will be a Happy Cat with you and Cats do have a way of working things out when they are in a new home.
I wonder if his previous Guardian was sincere when she said Schroeder was that dominant, or whether she gave him enough time to adapt.
It doesnt always happen over night.:)
Michael , Miquelito Golden Rod and The Orange Angels say you can never go wrong with Owesome Orange!!!
ORANGE RULES!!!
:love::love::love:

Taz_Zoee
10-22-2009, 10:43 AM
I just think he is such a handsome guy! I can't get over it!
I am so happy you two found each other. I think it was meant to be.

I was going to ask you about his name, but you already answered that for me. :p I like the name Schroeder too. :)

kuhio98
10-22-2009, 12:58 PM
Congratulations on you and Schroeder finding each other!

Now, I've never tried this, but it's been suggested on the board before.

To get Schroeder used to Aroara's smell, take a towel and wipe it all over Aroara and put it under Schoeder's food/water dishes.

Take another towel and wipe Schoeder down with it and put it under Aroara's dishes.

They'll get used to each other's smell and learn to associate it with good things -- food!

If you try it, let us know how it works. :D

katladyd
10-22-2009, 01:23 PM
My Mac is an Orangie a supervisor at a previous job poofed and gave to me because she thought I needed a cat. That was several years ago, and I have been a crazy cat lady ever since. I still have Mac, he's my :love: cat and the greatest thing on four legs! And yes, he has green eyes. Green-eyed orangies are wonderful! Enjoy handsome Schroeder and give him kissies from me!:love:

Moesha
10-22-2009, 02:40 PM
To get Schroeder used to Aroara's smell, take a towel and wipe it all over Aroara and put it under Schoeder's food/water dishes.

Take another towel and wipe Schoeder down with it and put it under Aroara's dishes.

They'll get used to each other's smell and learn to associate it with good things -- food!

If you try it, let us know how it works. :D

Oh I have not read that idea before. I have heard about the letting them smell things that the others have touched but not about putting it under their food dishes! I'm going to try that. I will report back.

Anikaca77
10-22-2009, 02:45 PM
Congrats on the adoption!

:)

Very happy for you and Schroeder!

Melissa

Moesha
10-22-2009, 03:03 PM
Schroeder was one anxious kitty last night. He had the big dilated eyes that they get when they are nervous.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7766.jpg

He wanted out of the bedroom to explore what was on the other side of the door. So when Aroara when outside this morning, he was able to check things out.

He found the cat perch.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7774.jpg

And a bookcase.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7775.jpg

Then he found a place to hide right out in the open! It is so funny because Morgan always matched everything here. The carpet was gray. We just had some tan carpet put in a month or so ago along with this in front of the door.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7778.jpg

A close up.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7782.jpg

Moesha
10-22-2009, 03:08 PM
Another close up.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7787.jpg

And upside down.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7792.jpg

This is the end of the couch he sits on. Next to him you can probably see the furpile. That is Aroara's spot. Morgan was always on the other end.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7809.jpg

I know this one is a bit blurry, but I liked it.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7803.jpg

Prairie Purrs
10-22-2009, 03:24 PM
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7778.jpg

Catmoflage--you're doin' it right. :D

I think Schroeder approves of his new domain. What an expressive face he has!

aTailOf2Kitties
10-22-2009, 04:21 PM
my goodness is he ever handsome! Hope he fits in well and we can see lots of pictures of him in the future:love:

phesina
10-22-2009, 04:38 PM
What a gorgeous guy! And already settling in, right at home.

Karen
10-22-2009, 04:41 PM
How funny that he so well matches the entryway floor! The better to trip up burglars, :) He's a handsome guy, and it's great that he is settling in so quickly and so well!

lvpets2002
10-22-2009, 04:47 PM
:love: Well Hello there Schroeder.. Your so Handsome & Adorable.. Yup same color as the floor.. You looked to be settling in good..

jenn_librarian
10-22-2009, 04:52 PM
Oh Moe, he's so handsome!! I'm glad that you decided to adopt him and take him into your home!

Welcome to your new home, Schroeder, and welcome to PT, we're going to be asking to see a lot of you!!!

momcat
10-22-2009, 07:08 PM
Hi Schroeder and welcome to Pet Talk! You sure chose the very best Meowmie a handsome kitty like you could possibly have. You'll soon find out that you're in a great furever home filled with nothing but love and all the things a special guy like you could possibly want.

Concatulations Moesha! He is beautiful and looks like a real sweetheart. Could I ask you to give him a generous round of "welcome" lovies from me?

Husky_mom
10-22-2009, 07:41 PM
I loooooove the marbled pattern.. he´s so cute!!.. already made himself at home.. gorgeous boy

cassiesmom
10-22-2009, 09:57 PM
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/runningazoo/Schroeder/DSC_7787.jpg

Hello there, sweet boy Schroeder! Are you ever a handsome orangie! I love orangies! I like how you s-t-r-e-t-c-hed yourself out in the foyer - that makes me think you're gonna like your new home! MMmmmmmmwah!

Barbara
10-23-2009, 04:01 AM
I think you can see that he is nervous- but ready to settle at the same time:)
And of course I love the cat-mouflage picture. That is hilarious.

Killearn Kitties
10-23-2009, 04:50 AM
Schroeder you are just GORGEOUS - from every angle! :love:

orangemm
10-23-2009, 07:28 AM
He KNEW, didn't he, that he would blend into that floor?:eek::D

Looks like he's making himself "at home". That is a good sign.

You are one handsome dude, Schroeder!:love::love:

catmandu
10-24-2009, 05:02 PM
Thats great that Schroeder is really making himself at home!!:cool:
Not even Michael the DreamCat and Moquelito were that comfortable than quickly!!!:)
Of course My Orangies and All Of Our Owesome Orange Angels are happy that Schroeder has now found His Fuirrever Home.
And I agree that one with his paws in the air is a winner!
:love::love::love:
That should be Schroeders 2010 Pet Talker Photo!!
:love::love::love:

katladyd
10-24-2009, 07:03 PM
Schroeder, you are not just an orange bum, you are a big, beautiful, orange bum!:love:

Moesha
10-24-2009, 11:24 PM
Schroeder is so different than any other cat that I've been around. I've tried to give him toys to interest him. He hasn't shown any interest in any of them, the tunnel, the track with the ball, mice, balls with catnip, nothing. I'm going to try to get one of those fishing pole type toys tomorrow. He doesn't eat wet food. He will come running when I shake a bag of treats, but he hasn't eaten any of them when offered. I've tried 4 or 5 different brands and flavors. I'm at a loss. He seems to really want something, but nothing I have makes him happy. He is getting more used to it around here. Today I went in to his room and sat on the couch. He jumped up on it and came over to me for the first time. He walked across my lap a couple of times and actually started purring! Then he turned and bit my hand pretty hard. He didn't break the skin, but it did scrape some skin off.

I've been in contact with the rescue to see if I can get any information from a former owner about things that he likes or that would make him comfortable. The first owner, the one with cancer, hasn't returned the message that was left. Someone had him for a couple of weeks in August but had to return him because he was trying to dominate her cats. She loved him though. I have her phone number and will try calling tomorrow.

Aroara has hissed like crazy under the bathroom door. He hasn't shown aggression toward her, but he has growled at some of the other cats that are outside. Did I already post this? I know I typed it all out somewhere. Maybe it was in an e-mail. I put Aroara in the bedroom where he has been staying so she could smell him in there. I put the towel that he was on in the carrier under her food dish. She doesn't seem to notice anything with that. I am not sure he would like having a towel rubbed on him. He did not like it when I tried to use the lubglub. (A mitt used to help get loose fur off.)

I don't know what else to do to help him feel comfortable. I get really sad because it makes me miss Morgan even more sometimes. I'm trying to be patient. It kills me to think of him spending any more time in a cage where he is so unhappy. I'm hoping that he will get more comfortable and warm up to us. He hasn't really shown any signs of being the lap kitty that the rescue advertised him as. Any ideas?

Grace
10-24-2009, 11:34 PM
I don't know what else to do to help him feel comfortable. I get really sad because it makes me miss Morgan even more sometimes. I'm trying to be patient. It kills me to think of him spending any more time in a cage where he is so unhappy. I'm hoping that he will get more comfortable and warm up to us. He hasn't really shown any signs of being the lap kitty that the rescue advertised him as. Any ideas?

Time, just tincture of time. Our cat, Red, who looks very much like Schroeder, came to us from the woods. We have no idea of his history. He has been with us for 6 years now, and he still mystifies me at times.

Hopefully you can get some info from his last foster mom. Other than that - just love him and let him know he is safe with you. He will come around one day. Just imagine how you would react in his place.

Moesha
10-24-2009, 11:46 PM
Just imagine how you would react in his place.

That's what I'm trying to do. He had a home for over two years. He has been back in the rescue since June. He was adopted but the returned after 2 weeks. (The rescue will give $75 off the $100 adoption fee if it doesn't work out and they are returned within two weeks.)

I specifically wanted to help an adult who had been returned where he'd had a home. I must say kittens are easier. They are more adaptable to the surroundings. They are more work in other ways though. I really want Schroeder to like it here and for us to have a connection, so that we can help each other.

krazyaboutkatz
10-25-2009, 01:59 AM
How on earth did I miss this thread.:o Congrats!!! He's such a handsome boy.:) I'm sure he's still trying to settle in. I sure hope that everything will work out. I think you both need each other.:)

All of my cats are rescues, Storm and Sky were from the Humane Society and it took Sky about 1 year to really feel comfortable in his new home even though he's a very social cat. He was found as a stray and later adopted but then he was returned because the people said that their other cats started peeing outside of the box. He was about 1 year old when I adopted him.

Sunny was from a small rescue group and his foster mom moved around a lot so it also took him a good year to really feel comfortable and realize that he wouldn't be going any where else. He was 8 months old when I adopted him. Both Pearl and Ziggy were rescued by another PT'er, K & L, in Arizona. They were both young kittens when I adopted them. Pearl fit in easily but it's taken Ziggy 3 years to really feel comfortable and to feel like she's a part of the family. Now she even acts goofy and is so much more relaxed than she used to be. She even comes to me for pets and gives me headbutts.:)

Try not to rush things. Cats like to come to you on their own terms. I'm sure you already know this. I sure hope that things will work out. Good luck.:)

Taz_Zoee
10-25-2009, 02:19 AM
I agree with all the previous posts. Time. It will take time. Paizly took a couple days to even come up to us and let us really pet her. Even now she is very picky about when she receives petting. She is a lovebug in the morning, but try to pet her throughout the day and she'll slink off and not let you touch her.

Please don't feel bad that he is not all over you. He will be with time, I'm sure.

Medusa
10-25-2009, 08:16 AM
Don't want to sound like a "me, too" person but I do concur w/the others; it's going to take time. As long as you have the patience, I'm sure he'll come around. Keep the faythe. :love:

catmandu
10-25-2009, 08:58 AM
I always found that cutting a piece of meat off my plate workes wonders!!
And Thanks to eals on Wheels I can offer them something good every night.
I felt that way many times when a New Cat would race like the wind in terror at my approach, but time , love and TLC will win Schroeder over, and that will make you so happy!!:love::love::love:

Pinot's Mom
10-25-2009, 09:05 AM
I'm going to be a copy cat, too. Time. As far as the biting; Pinot took some time with that one as well. She still, to this day, puts her mouth down hard on my skin, but every time I look at her (and don't move my hand) and say GENTLE, GENTLE, firmly and she seems to respond better each time. If you move quickly they'll grab harder. You'll get there.:)

momcat
10-25-2009, 02:23 PM
Since he spent some time in what he thought was his furever home then found himself back at the shelter, poor Schroeder might feel unsure of his new situation and afraid he might be sent back to the shelter again. It will take some love, patience, and time to reassure him that he's with you to stay. Like all kitties, Schroeder just wants to be loved and cared for but his recent experiences make him uncertain. Give him lots of attention, tell him how wonderful he is, and give him lovies on his terms for now. Follow Schroeder's pace and reassure him. This will work out.

Moesha
10-25-2009, 02:54 PM
I went to the Dollar Tree and bought a little fishing pole with a fish and a couple of ribbon type things on it. Schroeder has played a little with it! Finally something that he likes. AND...I bought a carpet thingie to hang on the door knob for him to use a scratching pad. It has little feathers at the top that he can play with. And I think they are used to encourage him to stretch up and then get the idea of scratching. It isn't exactly carpet, but it isn't the cardboard either. I know that carpet scratchers can confuse them, but I noticed that he liked a little cell phone holder that was hanging from the door. This was the only thing that was at WalMart that would hang from the door. So far he hasn't shown interest in scratching on any of the regular scratching areas. I have seen him try to scratch on the couch a time or two. Maybe this will help that also.

3Catcondo
10-25-2009, 03:26 PM
Moe,
something to help attract him to the hanging scratch thingy might be the catnip spray. Here in Richmond I can get it from Petsmart. I spray different cat things with it and they are all over whatever I just sprayed. That might spark his interest, too. Just a thought. Good luck to you both :love:

Amy

Moesha
10-25-2009, 03:29 PM
Thanks for that idea. I meant to rub it with some dried catnip. I don't have any spray, but I think I do have some dried in a bag. I offered him a puff ball with catnip and he showed no interest, but maybe it will help with the hangie thingie.

Randi
10-25-2009, 03:38 PM
Have you tried just walking around with a long string after you? I have one with a mouse attached to it, but Fister is not interested in that, he wants the other end. Or he might think a laser pointer is fun. Careful not to point on his eyes, though.

Perhaps Schroeder just needs some time to get familiar with his new home. :)

Kisses and purrs from us. :love:

heidiv
10-25-2009, 05:10 PM
Don't loose faith I resently adopted a little snowshoe girl named Nikki and she is very fearful of me and my husband she has been with us now for 3 or 4 weeks and she still won't come to us. I think she wants to but she is really scared.

My experience with orange boys is great they really are the best lovers.He will come around. Being his backround is pretty tramatic he might need a few weeks to realize he isn't going anywhere. Congrats and I promise you will have a great kitty on your hands. Its really hard to lose a really good friend...And get a non-lover...I too know what you are feeling. But I since Nikki is just a little bit skiddish I can't wait till she wants to come to us.. Its so hard to wait. But well worth the time needed. Best of luck he is wonderful!

cassiesmom
10-25-2009, 08:21 PM
A prayer and a candle for Schroeder.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=9436141

Moesha
10-26-2009, 11:13 PM
Thanks for the candle.

We had some progress today. Schroeder came over when I woke up this morning and walked on me, ending by standing on my chest. He was purring and even sat down briefly once. I kept waiting for him to turn around and bite my face, but he didn't.

He's let me carry him across the length of the house also.

BUT...he saw Aroara today and that did not go well at all. I had her in the bathroom. I took her out and was holding her. She was hissing at him, but he was ignoring her mostly. I put Aroara down, and she walked away from him. My sister was over visiting and was inside while I stepped outside for just 30 seconds. Aroara came over to the door. Schroeder came sneaking up behind her. When I came in, Schroeder went after Aroara. There was hissing and screeching and running. My sister and I broke them up. I thought Schroeder had run back into his room. I went in there to find him and then my sister said he was in the living room. He went after Aroara again this time behind the couch. I finally got him to go into his room. By then Aroara was so mad she demanded to go outside. I wasn't sure she would come back in tonight. But I just got her back inside. I just don't know if this is going to work out. It kills me to think of him going back and having to live in the cage at PetSmart. He hates that, and he is just getting used to living here.

I also bought him a fishing pole toy that he does enjoy. But he gets worked up playing with that and then he gets worked up when dealing with people. He tries to bite and attack with his claws. He plays rough.

Cataholic
10-27-2009, 03:54 PM
I have read things, but maybe not as clearly as I could. I just want to echo again what others have said, but, maybe more strongly. Please be patient with the introductions of two adult cats. The longer the time you can acclimate them to the house- separately, the better off the chances of a smooth transition. Cats are funny. I could not imagine introducing two adult cats to one another in less than a month. Bad first impressions can be lasting impressions. Don't rush it. Kittens- easy peasy. Cats- not so much.

I would get some phernome (sic) plug ins and put them in each room the cats are confined to. I swear by this stuff.

And, lots of extra loves to Aurora, so that she knows she is not being displaced.

Good luck, orangies are so special.

Moesha
10-27-2009, 10:53 PM
I found treats that he likes! I bought soft Whisker Lickin's. The only flavor they had was chicken and cheese. I opened them, and he came running as usual. Except this time instead of just looking at it and walking away, he ate them! Now I have two things to use to entertain him, the fishing pole and the treats.

Edwina's Secretary
10-27-2009, 11:17 PM
Do you know my Edwina and Eddie?

Edwina came to live with us from a shelter. We adored her, pampered her. She was (and still is!) very, very spoiled. And an only cat for a few years.

And then one day a PetTalker asked if we could take in Eddie for a weekend. Oh how we worried! But we took him in. He lived in the basement. He would not come out for ...gosh weeks I think? We would go to the basement and read the paper or just talk. And we would talk to him, even if we could not see him. (Of course...that has been a very long weekend....:rolleyes:)

My niece was also living in the basement while attending college. Eddie started to come out and be with her.

Meanwhile, Edwina -- at the top of the stairs - "what is that noise? There cannot possibly be another cat in my house!"

Until one day Eddie ventured upstairs. He never really went back down to live.

Edwina keeps him in line. She never lets him forget who is the boss.

They moved across the country together in the back of the car.

I don't think they will ever cuddle. But I just went upstairs and they are both on the bed.

They are usually in - at least - the same room. She bites his butt, she slaps his face, she chases him. Sometimes he chases her.

She is a lap cat. He wants to but just can't (because she wouldn't approve? I am not sure.) But today, a guy was here installing my new computer and it was Eddie who insisted on meeting him.

Here is Eddie's first diary diary of Eduardo (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=29073&highlight=Eduardo) and his second second diary (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=29997&highlight=Eduardo) and it went on.

It takes time but it was oh so worth it.

And I think both Edwina and Eddie would agree!:D:D

3Catcondo
11-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Moe,
How's it going w/ Schroeder? Are you still using Paw Points?

Moesha
11-02-2009, 07:46 PM
I'll answer the easy part first. Yes, I still use paw points! :D

Now for the Schroeder question. That is more complicated. He is definitely getting used to the house. I found the treats he likes. He will play with his fishing pole. I've seen him play with a hair tie and a ball with a little bell in it. He doesn't play with them for very long, but he does play with them some. He's raced through the house a few times. The noises don't startle him. He's adapted that much.

He has slept next to me or on me a couple of times during the night. He follows me around the house. He doesn't really like to be petted. He will let me bend down and rub him a time or two, but he has never come and sat next to me and let me pet him. If he is on the couch or something, I can sometimes go over to him and pet his head briefly. He is a biter! :eek: He bites hard too. I'm not sure if he is trying to play or if he is trying to be mean. I'm thinking it is more a leave me alone kind of bite. But sometimes I am in bed and he jumps up on me and bites. I haven't been doing anything at those times. I'm always trying to talk to him in a calm, nice voice. Trying to encourage his friendship. Honestly, I'm feeling as lonely or maybe even more so than before I brought him home.

I have not let him and Aroara interact with each other again. She has seen him under the door and has growled and hissed at him. Still he doesn't show any aggression toward her while she is doing that.

Earlier tonight I talked to the lady that had adopted him and then had to return him because he didn't get along with her cats. She said he would come and sit in her lap while she watched tv and let her pet him. She said that he would bite her too. But she liked that about his personality. She loved that he was so different and knew what he liked and didn't like and let her know. It scares me.

Then she told me about the problems he had with her cats. This was the reason she had to return him. He bullied them and kept them under the beds. If they tried to come out, he attacked them. She said she tried feliaway plug-ins and didn't notice any difference in the behavior. She said that what finally caused her to give him back to the rescue was that he attacked one of her cats so badly that she had to take her to the vet for stitches. That is what I am afraid that will happen here with Aroara. Or if one of the other cats comes inside, which they periodically do. She had him for 2 months and really loved him but just couldn't do that to her other kitties.

I have to be so meticulous about everything all day long to make sure he doesn't come in contact with any of the others. I am afraid that I won't be able to take any vacations because of the trouble it causes to have him kept away from the other cats. My nieces and nephew come over, and they are all under 10. You can try to tell them what has to happen, but those kitties outside are pretty swift. They race inside before you know it, especially if you aren't paying close attention. They do it often when adults come in and even more when the kids are here. So far I've managed to keep it from happening when Schroeder has been lose, but I can imagine in my mind the disaster that will occur when one sneaks in the door and he isn't confined.

I don't want to have to return him. I want to give him a loving home, but I honestly don't know if my home is the right one for him. After talking with his former mommy, I am more convinced that he needs to be in a one cat home. The thought of taking him back to Petsmart and the rescue breaks my heart, but honestly I don't know what else to do. I'd thought of trying the plug-ins but really don't see the use in that since she had already tried them.

So that's where things stand here. If anyone has any other suggestions, feel free to give them. I've heard all the "be patient" suggestions and am trying them. But perhaps you can see the other side of things with this update from his former adopter. I hate the thought of failing him. But I do have other things to take into consideration as well.

ETA: We're both redheads, maybe that's our problem! hehe
This weekend I went to my friend's house. She has kitties that come over and would let you pet them all day. That really made me miss having my Morgan around.

But I'd rather be able to go back letting everyone else have their normal lives than take any chances of them getting attacked or making them stay outside all the time.

Having Schroeder here has helped me deal with Morgan's loss, but not in the way I expected.

cassiesmom
11-02-2009, 09:56 PM
Where did Schroeder live before his first family, Moesha? Was he an outdoor boy?

My brother's family cat, Milo, is a biter. It goes petting -> tummy rubs -> biting. He also nips me when I try too hard to love on him. He will decide whose lap he sits on (or, more often, who he sits next to) and for how long. I wonder if, when he jumps up and bites you, if he wants to get your attention for something?

Prayers that all will be well for you, Schroeder, and your other kitties. He sure is handsome.

Moesha
11-02-2009, 10:07 PM
I don't know many specifics about him. The best that I can get from the rescue is that they think they had him as a kitten and had him fixed. He was placed in a home where he stayed for over two years until that owner got cancer and couldn't take care of him anymore. He was returned to the rescue. They haven't been able to tell me anything about his life during that time. I think he was turned returned in June. He stayed at this other place for a couple of months, mid July until September. He's been here for 2 weeks.

I am really trying hard to get him to adjust. I could probably deal with the biting and maybe even work with him on it, but the fighting with the other cats really scares me.

I am going to try putting him in the carrier and putting that in the middle of the family room while Aroara is inside. I'll see what happens from there and post it here later.

Grace
11-02-2009, 10:15 PM
It feels as though you are living in the middle of a demilitarized zone, doesn’t it?

Many years ago we took in a stray who turned out to be an alpha male. Problem was we already had one of those. The new one, Phantom, got along fine with our 2 girl cats, but it just didn’t work out with the other male.

We tried for 3 months – then we found him a home where he was the only cat. He thrived, and calm was restored to our house.

It broke my heart – I felt like an abject failure. You have to think about Aroara and your own peace of mind.

We will support whatever decision you make :love: :love: :love:

Moesha
11-02-2009, 10:38 PM
Well, that experiment was interesting. Perhaps someone can explain this to me.

I put Schroeder in the carrier and brought him out to the family room. Aroara was in an adjoining room on a dining room chair. I talked calmly to Schroeder the whole time and gave him a couple of treats while he was calm in the carrier. Aroara could see him from her perch on the chair but made no attempt to come closer. He could not see her. I went over and talked to her and coaxed her off the chair with a couple of her favorite treats. By then Schroeder had started to scratch at the carrier door to try to get out. I was sitting next to Schroeder with calming words. Aroara was a good 10 feet away. He was staring at her, and she was staring at him. She started to growl and hissed a couple of times. Schroeder started panicking in the carrier circling it quickly over and over...BACKWARDS. I'd never seen this before. I don't know what it means. He even rolled over a couple of times in there and then continued circling. After Aroara hissed a couple of times, she went to the living room. She made no attempt to come close to him. She just gave her warning grumbles and left. That's what happened when they were lose before and Schroeder went after her when she walked away. Once Aroara left I immediately took him back in his room of safety and let him out. He came out and was calm. I gave him another treat.

What did I do right? What did I do wrong? Does anyone know what Schroeder's body language was indicating?

ETA: About 15 minutes passed, then Aroara threw up her food. I have never seen Aroara throw up in the three years she has been here. Granted she does go outside, but she's never thrown up that I know of. Then she came over and jumped up in my lap for cuddles. She rarely does that. Then she started squawking and now wants to go back outside. She isn't going no matter what she thinks. This whole thing has me stressed out. Plus I can't find one of my sister's cats. They are on vacation and I've been watching them. The last time I saw him was yesterday morning. I've been over there numerous times calling him and walking the property. My nerves can't take much more of this.

Catty1
11-02-2009, 11:51 PM
When is your sister back? You are focusing on a lot all at once! {{{{hugs}}}}

I read in Cat Behaviour about a kitten that was biting a lot. It was suggested to the owner that they make a hissing noise to discourage the biting. Cats don't like that sound.

Also...I am wondering if a temporary mild tranny in a Pill Pocket would help ease Schroeder in. Temporary, as in short term.

I wish I had a great idea...

[email protected] Nancy Efrusy has done amazing readings for many people/cats here. She doesn't ask for money up front, and is very reasonable. She could read Schroeder and Aroara too. Why not email her? You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Brody's Mum does readings also. She is a PT member. She tracked down Lut's missing kitty in Belgium! (Brody's Mum is in the UK).

karyn674
11-03-2009, 01:35 AM
Hello Moesha,

I'm sorry, I know you're feeling quite helpless at the moment, but truly and honestly there is not much YOU can do rather then be passive and give time. It is true, you feel stressed out with all the hissing and stuff but its the cats that have to settle down between them and it takes only one virtue.....patience! And a lot of it!

Last year a friend of mine was going to visit her sister in Canada for 3 months, she was trying to find her cat a place where to stay. It hurt me knowing that her cat Kira was going to undertake all that stress, being caged and so on. I also read one time on a post here on PT that sometimes they even change charachter with all the stress. So, I offered her the option that I can keep her when she's away. I thought that for Lulu might even work well and see how she reacts!

In 3 months the first 2 where stressfull, the last month was way better! In my opinion you could only err if you rush things! They have to work it out between them so you can do nothing but be patient. Don't worry that Schroeder is confined to one room, that is his safe area!

It was also funny because they also switched beds!! I cannot understand why, maybe to dominate eachother's possessions? Check this out: Kira's bed with Lulu:
http://petoftheday.com/talk/picture.php?albumid=200&pictureid=1768
Lulu's bed with Kira:
http://petoftheday.com/talk/picture.php?albumid=200&pictureid=1769
Kira was young and too active for Lulu. She would hide and jump on her:
http://petoftheday.com/talk/picture.php?albumid=200&pictureid=1764
I can't say that in these 3 months they befriended but tolerated eachother....especially from Lulu's side:
http://petoftheday.com/talk/picture.php?albumid=200&pictureid=1770
But one day we where surprised to see :o)
http://petoftheday.com/talk/picture.php?albumid=200&pictureid=1772

http://petoftheday.com/talk/picture.php?albumid=200&pictureid=1767

I was sure I made a mistake excepting Kira and certainly I did think about returning her but I had no option, only to wait for her owner to come back! After the stressful period it was difficult for all of us to part, even for Lulu that kept looking for her all over the house for days.

I want to encourage you because in my opinion things would could only get better, but give them their time and do not rush them. You will all definately gain from a slow introduction!

Good luck!

Medusa
11-03-2009, 07:36 AM
Here are my two cents, FWIW: When you're petting Schroder, don't rub his belly. Someone (I forget whom) told me that belly rubbing is sexual in nature to cats and it arouses them and stirs up aggression. Gently give him ear scritchies but don't even stroke him until later on. I think you probably already know the other suggestion because I sound like a broken record. Can't help it, though; it works: Clomicalm. If, after you've tried everything else, he still doesn't calm down, Clomicalm works wonders. When I think of how my Specs used to fight w/Boo, it makes me sad because I didn't know about Clomicalm then. Now they sleep together. Once you get the dosage adjusted, it shouldn't be too long before you see results. My cats have not had any side effects whatsoever. Perhaps talk to your vet about it and see what s/he says.

Good luck, Moesha. I know how frustrating it can be and I also know that you don't want to return Schroeder. I didn't want to find a home for Specs either but I was at that point when I found Clomicalm. :love:

Moesha
11-03-2009, 07:45 AM
My sister comes home Friday.

I can take the biting. I make a loud noise, and he stops.

He won't eat a pill pocket. When I was trying to find the treats he liked, I tried everything in my cabinet, including pill pockets.

I personally don't get involved with psychics, human or pet.

Thank you very much for your story karyn and for including the pictorial proof! Love that it worked out that way.

Last night Schroeder woke me up by kneading on my chest and then plopping himself down to sleep for awhile. Around 4, I think I was imagining Aroara making terrible sounds in the rest of the house. I say I was imagining, because when I got up she was asleep on the couch. I then went to sleep on the couch, and she slept with me for a couple of hours. She needs her mommy time too. I just can't sleep on that couch very often because of how it hurts my back. She seemed fine this morning. She'd eaten and had not thrown up any more. She's gone outside for now and Schroeder is finding hair ties on the table and zooming around the house.

I should probably e-mail the cat rescue to see if they have any advice.

Moesha
11-03-2009, 07:53 AM
Thanks for those suggestions Mary. I don't rub his belly. He doesn't like his ears touched either! I can wiggle my fingers on his head for a minute or rub my hand down his back a couple of times while he is walking around or when he jumps up to see me on the couch. I've thought about the medicine. I just have no idea how I would get it in him. Plus, I would rather him find his own home with someone that can make him happy than to medicate him. He deserves that. Plus, I'd almost have to medicate Aroara also at this point, I'm afraid. I don't have an issue with giving them medicine. It's just that with all the other issues, I'm not sure if that is the best option. I will ask the vet's office and the rescue organization for what their thoughts are on dealing with this.

Taz_Zoee
11-03-2009, 10:21 AM
I am sorry you are having a stressful time with this. In my experience, when I brought Paizly home Taz was not happy. But I let them work it out. BUT Taz was not aggressive and I didn't have fear that he would hurt Paizly. Taz never did "like" Paizly. He still growled when she came near him. She never growled or hissed at him though. She always tried to play with him, attacking his tail when he was sitting on a chair.

Now that I have G, my friends cat, the tables have turned. Paizly doesn't like G and G isn't crazy about her either. When I let G out of his room he will chase Paizly until she goes under the chair or bed where he can't get to her. Then he will sit there waiting for her to come out. That's when he goes back to his room. So sometimes he is only out of his room for 5 minutes. I've had G since August 10th. His mommy should be coming to get him soon. So I can deal with the situation temporarily.

I can't tell you what you should do. You do what is right for you, Schroeder and Aroara. I will keep you in my thoughts that you can figure out a solution that is best for all involved. I also hope you find your sisters cat soon!

catmandu
11-03-2009, 10:24 AM
My Pouncer used to really hiss and spit at Mr Scrappy to the point that I thought I might have to take Mr Scrappy to the SPCA.:eek:
I actually had him in a carrier and he started to cry.
Then I let him out and Pouncer came over and started washing him, and they were Best Pals after that!!!:cool::cool::cool:
:love::love::love:
Patience ,Patience and More Patience.
Love will find a way!!
:love::love::love:

3Catcondo
11-03-2009, 01:15 PM
Moe,
Only you know what is going to be the best for you, Schroeder and Aurora. If you think it would be best to let Schroeder go to an only cat house, then give him back to the rescue group. He has been moved around alot in the last few months it seems so I'm sure he's confused. We all understand if you feel another home would be best for him, and if that's the case, it's best he go there sooner rather than later. Noone will judge you for making the best decision for all involved. Hugs and love heading your way....


Amy

cassiesmom
11-03-2009, 08:07 PM
Prayers that either Aroara and Schroeder will start to get along better, or you will find another home where he can be an only kitty. Fingers and paws crossed for the former.

Moesha
11-04-2009, 07:13 PM
I just sent a long e-mail to the cat rescue contact that I have. I detailed all of Schroeder's issues, like I did here. I also gave her a list of the suggestions that you guys gave me and asked her what they would like for me to do. I told her that his former adopter was definitely correct when she told them that he needed to be in a one cat household. I offered to be a foster for him until they could find a home. The problem with that is that I over an hour away from Nashville. It would be very hard for potential adopters to meet him due to the distance for them or for me. I'll post again when I hear back from her. Thank you for all the advice. I know I'm doing the right thing for Schroeder, but it still hurts terribly. I thought for sure we were a perfect match.

ETA: He just had the hiccups sitting here next to me. I'd never seen a cat with hiccups before. It was cute. They didn't last very long. And I didn't have to scare him to get rid of them either!

krazyaboutkatz
11-05-2009, 12:59 PM
I'm sorry to hear that things aren't working out.:( I can relate to having to rehome a cat due to being aggressive. I had a semi-feral cat named Cirrus for about 2 years. He and Storm never really got along but I thought that in time that things would improve. Well they only got worse.:( Cirrus even started attacking Sky. He only liked Sunny but may have turned on him eventually too.

I learned from a foster that all of his siblings were like this. As they matured they all became much more aggressive. Luckily I was able to return him to the rescue group and they eventually found him a wonderful home. He isn't an only cat but he has a big house and a cat run outside to run in. The lady that adopted him even told me that she feels that he should be an only cat but with more space he's been doing well. I'm assuming that he's still doing well. I need to contact her again to make sure. Good luck.:)

cassiesmom
11-05-2009, 09:15 PM
Moesha, how are things today? Prayers and a candle.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=9512081

Moesha
11-05-2009, 09:52 PM
I haven't heard anything from the rescue group. Schroeder is getting more used to being around me. He sat right next to me last night while I watched TV. He is definitely quirky!

I have kept him and Aroara completely separated. Right now he is in the bedroom and Aroara is next to me on the couch. She even jumped up and slept in my lap a little while ago. She has never been a snuggle kitty, but she is right here next to me sleeping.

I see that the rescue group is going to be set up at a craft fair this weekend at a school in Nashville. They will have homemade cat beds and some other items for sale. They said they may even have a feline or two. I wish that Schroeder could be there and perhaps find a home without having to be in a cage again. I keep checking my e-mail to see if I have received a response and feeling a bit relieved when none has come.

Also, I don't think I mentioned this before, but my sister's cat, Manx, is back home after being gone for 48 hours.

cassiesmom
11-08-2009, 12:21 PM
Moesha, how are things today? Prayers and a candle.


Continued prayers and another candle.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=9528593

cassiesmom
11-12-2009, 11:39 PM
Moesha, how are Schroeder and Aroara? Thinking of you :)--
elyse

Moesha
11-13-2009, 12:34 AM
Thank you very much for the candles and the concern, Elyse. I really appreciate it.

I just logged back on to update this thread and saw your latest question. Thank you so much!

I e-mailed the cat rescue organization last Wednesday. I guess the woman that I've been contacting doesn't always have access to e-mail. She e-mailed me on Saturday afternoon and asked that I call her rather than e-mail. I phoned her around 6:30 and left a voice mail message. I didn't hear anything from her until tonight. I received an e-mail stating that she hadn't heard back from me and thought that if it wasn't working out with Schroeder it would be better to get him back to them sooner rather than later.

I've kept Schroeder away from all the other cats. He's doing well in adjusting to us and being here. He plays, he follows me around, he purrs. Last night I put him back in the carrier and let Aroara be in the same room. No real reaction from him. He didn't freak out like he did last time. I sat next to the carrier and spoke soothing words and gave him treats as he was staying calm. I lured Aroara closer by tossing treats in increments toward us. She wouldn't come all the way. And she was growling and hissing as she came closer. Finally she just walked away. I then took Schroeder back to his room and let him out.

After getting the e-mail from the cat rescue, I thought I had better see what he would do being in the same room as Aroara, because if he is going to stay here, he HAS to be able to tolerate other cats. I don't need him to be friendly, but tolerate. Within 5 seconds of seeing her, he bolted after her. He had her pinned down in the kitchen, large clumps of gray fur were being pulled out. She even peed on herself. I got them apart and he went under the table. Before I could pick her up, she was walking past the table and he went after her again. He gives NO WARNING. Not a hiss, not a growl, nothing. He just attacks very aggressively. I was able to pick her up before he could harm her again. My mother was able to get him shut back in his room. I haven't been in there with him yet. His fur was standing straight up all over his body.

Aroara just sat with me, which in itself is very unusual, for as long as I would hold her. She made noise, (not a meow, not a growl, not really a cry. I don't know how to explain it exactly.) the entire time I held her. Her back end was soaked. We both stunk. I finally let her go in another room where she went to the back of the closet. I went in to check on her a while later and brought her back out. Again she started with the same noise. I've felt all over her backside and can't find any puncture wounds. I will have to watch her for the next couple of days. Of course she'll probably get an infected wound Saturday afternoon after the vet's office is closed for the weekend!

Anyway, I sent another e-mail to the rescue lady and will try calling again tomorrow. I'm pretty sure that I'll be taking Schroeder to them in the next day or so. He will be much better off if he can find a home with no other cats.

I don't think I'll try another new one. I may just bring some of the ones that are already here inside the house more often. They know Aroara and she knows them. And I know everyone's personality and routine already that way. I've been having to get up around 3 AM and come to the family room to sleep on the couch with Aroara for the last several days. That couch really hurts my back. I can not keep this whole routine up. Some of you may feel like I've made the wrong decision either bringing Schroeder here or taking him back. But I know that I have done everything I possibly can short of medicating him to make this work. It is really the best for everyone, except for maybe my heart, to have him go to his own home where he doesn't have to share his human(s) with any other felines.

Again, thank you to each of you that offered kindly advice and support. This has definitely been one of my worst 6 weeks in a very long time.

krazyaboutkatz
11-13-2009, 12:50 AM
Thanks for keeping us updated. I think that you're doing the right thing and I support you 100%. Aroara was there first and she can't live with another cat that's going to attack her or harm her in any way.

I agree that he needs to be in a home without any other cats. I hope that the rescue group will make note of this so that other potential adopters will know this so that he'll be able to find his purrfect forever home.

I'm sorry that things didn't work out but you tried your best. Please don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure that he'll eventually find the purrfect home just like my Cirrus did. Good luck.:)

Pinot's Mom
11-13-2009, 08:54 AM
You can't put Aroara in jeopardy like that. Poor thing, she's scared to death. You tried. That's all any one could ask, Moe, but it's no good. You can't sleep, Aroara is scared for her life, and everyone walks on tiptoe around Schroeder. It can't continue. He needs to be rehomed in a single cat home. There are people who will be able to handle him, don't worry. Just make sure at the rescue they specify single cat home; aggressive only to other cats, not humans.

Thank you for trying.

Grace
11-13-2009, 09:05 AM
You're doing the right thing, for all involved :love::love:

Taz_Zoee
11-13-2009, 10:54 AM
I was in tears reading what happened to Aroara. Both for her and Schroeder. I also am behind you on this decision. You need to do what's best for Aroara AND Schroeder. And him being an only cat is the answer.

I will be hoping you can find him his purrfect home soon.

kb2yjx
11-13-2009, 07:20 PM
This is a tough situation, but you will do the right thing for both cats.....HUGS for trying to make a difference....

Moesha
11-13-2009, 08:25 PM
Thank you guys very much for the support. I am trying to remember that this decision is really for the best for all involved. I know Schroeder will find a home. If I didn't have any other cats, I would definitely keep him. He's a quirky guy for sure!

The foster mom is in Nashville until tomorrow evening. She lives much closer to me than that, so we're going to arrange to meet somewhere closer to make the exchange. I could take him to Nashville, but if I give him to her over here, I know he can't go into a cage in Petsmart right away. I feel bad for him having to go through more adjustments. If they had told me the whole story about his previous adopter, I wouldn't have brought him here to start with. I am definitely going to make sure that they know he has to be kept away from other cats. I've stressed this to her in every e-mail that I've sent her. I've also told her that I'd be more than willing to talk to any potential adopters and give them hints on what things he likes and tell them about his issues. I know that there has to be someone out there that just wants one big orange boy.

Thanks again for the support. I just have read posts from people that have worked in rescue and get disgusted when people return cats. I just want everyone to know that I feel like I've really tried to make this work. I would never, ever get a cat thinking of giving it back on a whim. If I thought there was ever a chance of him getting along with Aroara or any of the other cats that may come in especially during the winter, I would keep him. But he means business and Aroara was terrified. I've never seen her act like she did last night. I can't do that to her again. That would just be cruel. I almost felt like she was bait or something.

Thank you also for realizing that I was trying to make a difference. I really wanted to help an adult kitty that had lost his home due to unforeseen circumstances.

katladyd
11-14-2009, 01:10 AM
If I adopted a cat, and as much as I love them, they terrified the cats that were already here, they would have to go. Don't feel guilty, Aurora won't. If I didn't have other cats, I would adopt Schroeder in a second! But I have two others and they were here first. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

karyn674
11-14-2009, 01:32 AM
Don't be that hard on yourself!

You have no options left! You tried it all and now you know what is the best option for all of you.

Don't feel guilty, if it was for you you'd make it work but Schroeder aggressiveness is too much and after all Aurora is the first one in.

It just wasn't meant to happen!

Don't feel sad about it! You tried!!

Hugs x x x

kb2yjx
11-14-2009, 10:25 AM
We had a similar situation years ago. We only had Boo at the time, and adopted Samantha, a white tortie. It soon was obvious, she was not suited to living with another cat. She lived with us for 8 weeks, just to get past the " new " phase. I hated to bring her back to the shelter. Then she developed a really bad URI. BUT, Samantha did get adopted to a home where she was the only cat. I think of her often, and when going thru photos of the cats, there she is....I guess she might be at the Bridge(she'd be about 20 now). I hope she will remember Barry and me when we go there.....Schroeder knows you tried, knows you loved him, and he is most grateful for the time you had together...Hang in there.....

Medusa
11-14-2009, 01:03 PM
Aroara just sat with me, which in itself is very unusual, for as long as I would hold her. She made noise, (not a meow, not a growl, not really a cry. I don't know how to explain it exactly.) the entire time I held her. Her back end was soaked. We both stunk. I finally let her go in another room where she went to the back of the closet. I went in to check on her a while later and brought her back out. Again she started with the same noise. I've felt all over her backside and can't find any puncture wounds. I will have to watch her for the next couple of days. Of course she'll probably get an infected wound Saturday afternoon after the vet's office is closed for the weekend!

But of course! It's programmed into their DNA to get sick or injured only on weekends and holidays or when our vet is on vacation. ;)


Thanks again for the support. I just have read posts from people that have worked in rescue and get disgusted when people return cats.

That only makes a tough situation even tougher which is why I hardly ever dealt w/rescue agencies and just did the rescue work on my own. Everyone here knows that you did your best for Schroeder and all your furkids. Like it or not, Schroeder isn't the only consideration in this situation. It isn't fair to your other cats or to you to be stressed and fearful all the time. He was in the right place w/you for the time being. Now he's moving on to his true place. It'll happen. Keep the faythe, Moesha. :love:

cassiesmom
11-15-2009, 12:10 PM
If I didn't have other cats, I would adopt Schroeder in a second!

Same here! He is so handsome, I'm sure he will find a home as an only kitty.

Anikaca77
11-16-2009, 03:06 PM
I'm sorry Schroeder didn't work out. I hope he finds a home where he is the only cat. You've done all you could. :)

Good Luck Schroeder.

melissa

Moesha
11-16-2009, 08:46 PM
I agree with you katladyd and cassiesmom. If I didn't have any other cats, I would keep him too. I just talked with the foster mom from the cat rescue. Her dad lives in my town, so she is going to come visit him tomorrow. We're going to meet around 3 for her to take him. This is very sad. It was 6 weeks ago today that I lost Morgan. I never dreamed that I would get so attached to Schroeder. I am going to be checking petfinder every day to see if he has a home and am going to be so sad to see him back on there. I'm going to be tempted to drive to Nashville and look at him in Petsmart too. I know that probably wouldn't be good for me or for him. I have all of his stuff that I know he likes all together to go with him. I want him to get a happy ending.

Catty1
11-16-2009, 10:09 PM
Could her dad take Schroeder?

Prayers and hugs for you both. Bless you for loving him so much and doing all you did for him.:love::love:

Moesha
11-17-2009, 07:15 AM
No, her dad can't take Schroeder. I'm meeting her after she visits with her dad because her step-mother is allergic to cats.

Moesha
11-17-2009, 06:41 PM
I just said my good-byes to my boy Schroeder. I met the lady from the cat rescue in town. The house is lonely again. Although, Aroara is here with me. She keeps walking around hissing. This is the first time in a month that the door to my bedroom has been open when she has been inside. I'm sure she smells his scent in there. I hope she'll come in to sleep with me tonight. I am very sad, but also a little relieved. It was a lot of work having him here and making sure everyone was alright and separated. Maybe I'll just take a little time to relax before making any other kitty decisions. I might attempt to get one or two of the outside kitties to be more comfortable coming inside. If only I could have my Morgan back, all would be right in my house.

Prairie Purrs
11-17-2009, 07:21 PM
I'm so sorry that things didn't work out with Schroeder. Some kitties truly are meant to be only cats. I'm sure it was very hard to say good bye, but the right home will come along for him.

And I know how you feel about wishing Morgan were there. :( It's so hard to adjust to the absence of a beloved kitty.

Medusa
11-17-2009, 08:37 PM
I just said my good-byes to my boy Schroeder. I met the lady from the cat rescue in town. The house is lonely again. Although, Aroara is here with me. She keeps walking around hissing. This is the first time in a month that the door to my bedroom has been open when she has been inside. I'm sure she smells his scent in there. I hope she'll come in to sleep with me tonight. I am very sad, but also a little relieved. It was a lot of work having him here and making sure everyone was alright and separated. Maybe I'll just take a little time to relax before making any other kitty decisions. I might attempt to get one or two of the outside kitties to be more comfortable coming inside. If only I could have my Morgan back, all would be right in my house.

It's tough, I know, but as you say, you're also a little relieved. When you have that kind of chaos in the house, your world gets turned upside down. Schroeder will soon be in his new permanent home. And your last sentence is heartwrenching. We all feel that pain at some time in our lives. It's as though there's a hole in your heart and in your world. Life will soon calm down and get back to normal again. Keep the faythe. :love:

Taz_Zoee
11-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Your last sentence brought tears to my eyes. Because I know EXACTLY how you feel. I wish I had my Tazmoe back too. But then I wish I had him back with his health like it was five years ago. He was fat and happy.

You did the right thing for you, Aroara and Schroeder. He will find his furrever home. And he will be king of his own castle. :)

orangemm
11-18-2009, 07:35 AM
You did every possible thing for Schroeder, but it was not meant to be for him. It happened to me years ago and even though it wasn't anyone's fault, I still feel guilty.

Let's hope and pray that a furrever home happens for him and he can be the top cat in the household..............

hugs to you............