They found a body in New Haven

[Grace]

The remains of a woman's body have been found behind the walls of a building at Yale Med School. Police feel it is the body of Annie Le, the med student who was reported missing on Tuesday.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh no! I kept hoping she had just run off somehow....

[Karen]

How sad, what a heartbreak for the family and her fiance if it is her. Our prayers go out to everyone working the case, and to the woman and her family, whomever it turns out to be.

[moosmom]

She had been missing since Tuesday. She was scheduled to be married yesterday on Long Island. Ms. Le was seen going into a Yale building near the School of Nursing but not leaving. They found her purse and keys at her desk. It's a building that is not used very much. Because her body was found inside a wall in the building, they're thinking it's an inside job.

I feel so sorry for the family of the victim. I hope they find whoever did this.

[happylabs]

These stories just keep getting weirder and weirder! What is the matter with people?!? :mad:

[gini]

These stories just keep getting weirder and weirder! What is the matter with people?!? :mad:

My thoughts exactly. There just seems to be a rash of strange events like the world has gone mad.

My heart goes out to the families involved.

[moosmom]

What I don't understands is how, in that short period of time, the perps could have had the time to kill her and then put her behind a wall. There are THOUSANDS of surveillance cameras all over the Yale campus. I'm surprised Yale is offering a $10,000 reward for any information leading to the apprehending and conviction of whoever did this. IMO, it sure looks like an inside job.

I'll be watching this story carefully. I'll be interested to see what the autopsy results find. I'm sure there's alot more to this story than is being reported. But they have to be careful as to what kind of information is to be available to the public.

[Karen]

Yes, I'm sorta counting on you, Donna, as you are geographically closer, maybe you will hear more before the rest of us?

[moosmom]

Karen,

Oh yeah, since it hits real close to home (I lived and worked at Yale for about a year as a temp. After this tragedy, they should beef up security, as well as using the buddy system.

[RICHARD]

My guess?

In a building like that there are places to hang out/hide when you want to take a break, make calls, etc.

There are closets and 'vaults' for cleaning supplies and wiring, shut off valves, circuit breakers. If you go into an office building you can see the 'hatches' built into the wall for stuff like that.

I think the officials said that she was found inside the basement area in a wall. It sounds like she was stuffed into one of those maintenance access hatches.

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Did they go thru the building with dogs?

If they had the tapes that showed she didn't leave the building, why wasn't there a more thorough search done?

As gruesome as this seems? I think that her decomposing body was the key that let to her discovery.

A sad state of affairs.

[sasvermont]

Richard, one account I read, said there were dogs searching, but I don't recall if the article mentioned using the dogs in the building. I hesitate to rely on the internet and newspapers for accuracy. I also read, early on, that they had found bloody clothing in a ceiling so I can only assume they would go through the building first.

The story sends chills up and own my spine.

I bet it was someone she knew.

[RICHARD]

Richard, one account I read, said there were dogs searching, but I don't recall if the article mentioned using the dogs in the building. I hesitate to rely on the internet and newspapers for accuracy. I also read, early on, that they had found bloody clothing in a ceiling so I can only assume they would go through the building first.

The story sends chills up and own my spine.

I bet it was someone she knew.

There are cadaver and tracking dogs. CDs are trained to find dead bodies.....

Just wondering.:(

[smokey the elder]

If Yale is anything like RPI there are lots of places and nooks and crannies where one could unfortunately hide the results of foul play.

[moosmom]

Oh yeah, they had dogs on it as well as the Feds (FBI). It's looking more like an inside job. No one saw her leave, even with thousands of surveillance cameras throughout the campus. There's alot more to this story than they're saying right now. Bloody clothes were found and they're testing them to see if it belonged to the killer. They're saying that it's not a random killing. No suspect as of yet.

[Grace]

I heard on the news that there is another student who is a person-of-interest. This student has defensive marks, and reportedly failed a polygraph test. The police are saying this was not a random crime.

Maybe those bloody clothes that were found elsewhere, were the clothes the killer was wearing?

[pomtzu]

My guess is that it's probably a jilted ex-boyfriend, or a wannabe boyfriend that never was. One of those - "if I can't have you, then nobody can" types.

How tragic.

[RICHARD]

This case makes me crazy.

If they have a way to track people outside the building by camera and can track the use of 'pass badges' inside they must have known she was still inside the buidling somewhere.

They would have noticed anyone moving a large bundle out of the area via tape/camera if the killer had tried to move the body out of the building.

If she had been dumped into a trash bin, someone emptying the bin would/might have noticed a large bundle in a bin.

The top she was wearing was GREEN - an easy color to spot on the tapes.

I just have some questions about how and why it took the cops that long to find her, especially with dogs in the building.

[RICHARD]

Ugh,

What a mess.

Between the 'media leaks' and the stupid chancellor/head of the school?

This is a perfect example of everyone stepping over each other to 'get the story straight'.

Unfortunately, the media reports started out with the runaway bride scenario-she was categorized as missing person, a woman who was going to get married and got cold feet. Because she left her personal belongings behind, it took a more sinister turn.

Then a video tape examination shows her enter a building and never coming out.

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The campus police were the first to look into the disappearance, then local cops and the feds show up.

The CP or any 'private police force' are always at odds with the local constabulary, it's the nature of the beast. The smaller private force wants to prove that they are capable of providing a secure atmosphere and the regular cops look down on anyone except their own.

Then you have the overzealous school officials who make statements that are do not help the situation.

School officials panic because they don't want the negative publicity for the institution. They go overboard defending their charges/students and fear the bad press that comes with any incident.

I heard a report that the cops were going to hold two-a-day press conferences to keep the speculation and the statements by school officials to a minimum.

There is going to be a backlash in this case against the school.

While there is no way to have predicted this tragedy, the resulting media circus around this case is predictable far from over.:(

[Grace]

That lab tech has been arrested.

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/nyregion/18yale.html?hp)

[moosmom]

According to the media, the suspect was NOT a lab tech, but more of a janitor, cleaning out the animal cages, etc. They have him on 24 hours surveillance and got search warrants for both his car and his apartment. The bloody clothes found in the ceiling was sent out for DNA. They suspect that it belongs to the killer.

Stay tuned.

[moosmom]

There is word going around that this lady was NOT nice to the lab animals. The cages were filthy, little or no food and water. The suspect, a janitor (they arrested him yesterday) was also an animal lover and advocate who went ballistic on her for mistreating the animals.

There are only two people who know the truth. One is dead.

[Grace]

There is word going around that this lady was NOT nice to the lab animals. The cages were filthy, little or no food and water. The suspect, a janitor (they arrested him yesterday) was also an animal lover and advocate who went ballistic on her for mistreating the animals.

There are only two people who know the truth. One is dead.

And one shouldn't be dead - even if she wasn't nice to the lab animals.

[Karen]

There is word going around that this lady was NOT nice to the lab animals. The cages were filthy, little or no food and water. The suspect, a janitor (they arrested him yesterday) was also an animal lover and advocate who went ballistic on her for mistreating the animals.

There are only two people who know the truth. One is dead.

This, if true, is so senseless and tragic. Think how much more effective it would have been for him to give the animals food and water, and report her to her superiors ... so that she and others could change their behavior. Instead, it seems he killed her, he'll go to jail, and the animals will likely be treated the same as ever.

[RICHARD]

Devil's advocate?

I have tuned into Nutsy Grace to hear her spin on the case.

Wow.

There is more to this story than we know at the moment.

Yep,

Stay tuned.

[Grace]

Devil's advocate?

I have tuned into Nutsy Grace to hear her spin on the case.

Wow.

There is more to this story than we know at the moment.

Yep,

Stay tuned.

So what did she have to say about this case?

I read over on Yahoo news that this guy was a sort of control freak - an unpleasant stickler for the rules who often clashed with researchers and considered the mice cages his personal fiefdom.

From the NY Times -
Some thought Mr. Clark went beyond the bounds of his position. A research team leader in the Amistad building, where Ms. Le’s body was found, said that several of his researchers complained last year that Mr. Clark was rude to them, prompting the team leader to alert Mr. Clark’s supervisor.

“He would berate them for minor infractions,” said the man, who requested anonymity. “Everyone enforces rules, but he enforced them in an officious manner.”

[RICHARD]

So what did she have to say about this case?

I read over on Yahoo news that this guy was a sort of control freak - an unpleasant stickler for the rules who often clashed with researchers and considered the mice cages his personal fiefdom.



Nancy was her usual obnoxious self...She was trying to connect every little second had story about this guy to the crime. Why, what, how and when....

I look at things from an oblique angle.

God only knows what kind of crap this poor guy had put up with at his job.

I have worked with people who look down at the work that the paper pushers and housekeeping attendants do for them.

Some people tend to look down at people who do the dirty work at the workplace...there are people who are 'educated/have degrees' that do not walk on the surface of the planet and have no problem reminding people that they possess a degree-too bad it does not come with common sense and manners.

No, I am not making excuses for this nitwit, but I am very cautious when it comes to the sensationalization of crime cases.

Case in point?

The recent "group rape" of a woman which turned out to be a lie. The woman consented to the acts and then later blamed the men of assaulting her.

Good old Nancy G went ballistic and convicted the Duke lacrosse players of also gang raping a woman and being everything - except innocent before being proved guilty. We all know that also was a false accusation leveled at those poor schmuck-who really should have known better!

After that case fell apart for the prosecutors NG dropped the story and never made a public apology for slamming them. This case sounds like a 'slam dunk', but until the evidence shows the guy killed Le, I am not going to believe anything.:(

[RICHARD]

Le's body was flow back her to Cuh lee fuh nee ah for her burial.

I heard on one of the TV shows that her bones were broken to make her fit into the hiding area where she was found.:rolleyes::mad::(

I cannot imagine what this moron was thinking when he killed her.

Fricking moron.

[pomtzu]

Regardless of how he was treated, it was no excuse for what he did, anymore than the kids who go ballistic and murder fellow classmates.

Richard - I know you're not defending him, so don't take my statement wrong.

Plenty of workers and students put up with a lot of crap in the workplace and in school, but don't take their frustrations to the extreme. I often wonder why they don't report it, or just walk away from the situations. Why do they snap - what do they think it's going to achieve??? I'll never understand.........:mad:

[Catty1]

I was on a ship, so heard a lot of this on CNN only...but I seem to recall that it was Clark's job to clean and maintain the mice cages etc...

Other glimmers...that his GF had been abused, and that he was a bit of a control freak.

A psychiatrist on CNN said that psychopaths know they are different, so they do their best to behave like everyone else...therefore, his buddies and others are stunned that their pal could ever do such a thing.

I bet his GF is less surprised.

Again, all this is just bits of stuff that leaked from the news reporting...who knows what really happened? Like, WHY????:mad::(

RIP Annie Le.

[sasvermont]

He will probably not get a murder in the first degree, since it was not premeditated. At least I don't think it was. Does Conn. have the death penalty? I think they do.

I suspect he is not the brightest bulb in bunch, since he left so much DNA around the scene. Why he thought he could stuff the body in a wall, and not have it found, is beyond me.

I also think they (the appropriate authorities) will give him a life sentence for his crime.

I feel so very sorry for the victim's family. They will never get over it. How can they sleep at night, wondering how scared the poor girl was, spending her last moments on this earth, getting suffocated by a co-worker.

I saw an interview with a former worker of the same lab and although he did not work with the little creep, he described the duties and the rules they were to uphold, when maintaining the animals and cages. If they didn't follow the rules, many of the experiments would not be valid. According to this guy, it was common for the lab techs to be at odds with the white coats/students.

Horrible, just horrible. He is such damaged goods. He should be put away.

[RICHARD]

Richard - I know you're not defending him, so don't take my statement wrong.

Plenty of workers and students put up with a lot of crap in the workplace and in school, but don't take their frustrations to the extreme. I often wonder why they don't report it, or just walk away from the situations. Why do they snap - what do they think it's going to achieve??? I'll never understand.........:mad:

Oh no, don't worry about posting when it comes to me......I just 'try' to look at both sides of the arguement.

I just have problems with people like Nancy Grace and her stupid statements and shows.

Like, why would anyone email a person to show up at their work and then kill them? Like Drew Peterson-he probably planned the deaths of his wives before hand....... This guy was looking for a confrontation and went off (killed) the poor gal instead.....

Why invite a victim to an area where the body would be so hard to conceal?
I'd figure if he had preplanned the murder, he would have lured her to somewhere where there wasn't that much in the way of CCTV and controlled entry points into the building.

NG just tries to sensationalize murders and the victims for her own benefit.
She's gone ahead and made an arse out of herself and does not have any real feelings towards the people she covers.

I especially HATE her when she goes after the families and friends of the alleged criminals. The idiots (staffers and producers) of her shows that end up at the crime scenes, then go to get an interview with the family and friends of the accused really irritate me.

Some pinhead from a kindergarten class they shared with the criminal will show up and give an interview about how they sat behind the killer and remember he had an accident during nap time and that wet pair of underwear caused Joe the Killer to begin his life of crime.....:eek::rolleyes: