Firearms. Yea or Nay?

[Lady's Human]

Sara, I haven't run out of arguments, just patience and desire to spar with your continuous drumbeat of nanny-state BS.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Well Joe, I don't understand why you have taken offense this time. You and your fellow travelers have repeatedly expressed the need for guns for protection. So I accept that. There is something from which you feel the need for protection. There is something you fear. Some fear for which you must be prepared.

I cannot imagine why you think I classify fear as a mental illness. That is YOUR definition...certainly not mine. Fear is the natural response when threatened. Why the defensiveness?

And just what is a nanny state anyway?

[blue]

And just what is a nanny state anyway?

Change we can believe in, link (http://www.change.gov/).

[Lady's Human]

Be prepared...........

not be prepared to call the police, not be prepared to call animal control, be prepared to handle situations without government intervention.

Even if you did call, they're so far away you're not going to get anyone to actually respond for at least 20 minutes (which is how long it takes to get out to where we live from the nearest Dunkin Donuts). If you call animal control to deal with the numerous 'yotes we have in the area, all they ask is "don't you have a rifle?"

You keep a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.....I keep a gun in a well placed spot in the house where I can get to it if need be. Fear has nothing to do with it.

[RICHARD]

People who fear shooting off a gun have plenty to be afraid of.

They have never learned how to keep from shooting off their traps.:confused:

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The people that want to keep you from owning a gun are the same people who want our police and military armed.

LOL, Never trust a man without "Protection".

[Randi]

If the reason you have a gun is to protect yourself, then I think it’s pretty far out. Why not get a pepper spray?

When John and I had some agressive neigbors (HA types) who threatened us, a girl we knew in Texas offered to send us a pepper spray, and we asked a police woman who was married to my cousin about using it, should they try to break in. She said if we did, we would be in big trouble as they are illegal here. She suggested to use a hairspray.

In any case, I believe that violence will only lead to more violence - and I honestly can’t see the reason for ordinary people to own a gun.

Just think about it.... if NO ONE had a gun, the problem would not exist.

[Puckstop31]

Randi...

Violence is a human condition. The tool people use to harm one another is not relevant. If NO one had a gun, this thread would be about banning swords, or knives, or baseball bats...

Like it or not, there are evil people in this world. I believe that to be truly free, a person should be able to protect themselves from that evil. It's not about fear... Its about freedom.

[RICHARD]

She suggested to use a hairspray.






And a match, for some reason I love to see that flame thrower effect. IT makes me giggle and laugh like a fool-
:rolleyes::eek::D

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I hope this still applies to this thread.

I had some of the MOST KICK ARSE BACON THIS WEEKEND. I cooked up a whole package, put most of it in a container and have snacked on it for a few days. I am not a HUGE bacon fan, the smell of it in an enclosed house early in the morning makes me gag........But, I just had to have some...

Maybe I am pregnant.

[JenBKR]

Maybe I am pregnant.

:eek: That would mean.....another RICHARD running around PT! :eek:

[blue]

Well Joe, I don't understand why you have taken offense this time. You and your fellow travelers have repeatedly expressed the need for guns for protection. So I accept that. There is something from which you feel the need for protection. There is something you fear. Some fear for which you must be prepared.

I cant speak for Joe, Tom, Dick, or Harry.

Would you go out into bear country when the salmon are spawning and the boars are looking for a mate? Brown bears are smart, Ive heard stories of them coming into an area after bear spray has been used. They will circle around and come from up wind, or is it down wind. I have had bears in camp less then 20' from my tent.

Im not Timmothy Treadwell, and Im not going to wind up like him. Im also not going to stop going out into bear country.

People in Anchorage and Eagle River jog carrying handguns, and not because they fear being mugged.

The area I live in now is for the most part safer then the area of Anchorage I last lived in. In Anchorage it was easier to chase off the hookers and get the Hells Angel's to deal with the drug dealers. The Mat Su Borough, where I live now is also the meth capital of Alaska and it is an area larger then some states. If I didnt have the dogs Ild probably own more guns. Dogs are a bigger deterent for break ins then firearms.

Puck has pointed out in this thread and his own that the 2nd Amendment protects the rest of our Rights.

Somebody famous said,


People should not be afraid of their Government, Government should be afraid of the People.

Ill add to that with,


Government should rely on the People, People should not rely on Government.

[blue]

Bearing arms. (http://www.lakecityreporter.com/articles/2008/11/23/news/doc4928f06ae235d156383719.txt)


“Ammunition is crazy. There’s a big thing out there saying they’re going to have a 200 percent increased tax on ammo. Everybody is getting a little paranoid ...

Gun sales way up following Obama election: People who weren't buying firearms flocking to stores. (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2043771/)


"They're stocking up on ammo, too, because they fear that the administration is going to slap a tax on it." "We're the largest retailer of firearms in the ...

Gun sales soaring (http://www.northfloridanewsdaily.com/News/2008/1124/top_news/188.html).


Business owners say that more people are expressing concern that there will be more gun control laws enacted, along with an increase in tax on ammunition. ...

[blue]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL686/2648371/18919133/343257858.jpg

[lizbud]

Good picture of Obama.:) but really you should give credit to the NRA.
They love to scare folks into buying more guns by spreading fear. They
laugh all the way to the bank.

[Cincy'sMom]

Not to take the thread a different direction, but how 'bout a gun as a medical device....

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16207

[Cinder & Smoke]

... how 'bout a gun as a medical device....

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16207

OH YIPPIE!! :D

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn16207/dn16207-1_300.jpg


Granny sez: Have PALM PISTOL - Will SHOOT (anything I think I see)!

Maybe get her TWO - one for each arthritic hand!

Wonder who will be the first to hold it UPside Down, squeezing the safety switches,
then rest it on a table or their own leg ... *BLAM!* ...
HEY - Where'd my kneecap go?

Poor Mom ~ How did she ever survive 'Old Age' without one?

:rolleyes:

[Cincy'sMom]

OH YIPPIE!! :D


Poor Mom ~ How did she ever survive 'Old Age' without one?



That is a good questions. After all:

""It's something that they need to assist them in daily living," says Matthew Carmel, president of Constitution Arms in Maplewood, New Jersey, which hopes to manufacture the Palm Pistol - now just a patent and specifications.

"The justification for this would be no more or less for a [walking aid] or wheelchair, or any number of things that are medical devices," he says."

Come on, daily living?!? Same justification as a wheel chair?!?

[lizbud]

That is a good questions. After all:

""It's something that they need to assist them in daily living," says Matthew Carmel, president of Constitution Arms in Maplewood, New Jersey, which hopes to manufacture the Palm Pistol - now just a patent and specifications.

"The justification for this would be no more or less for a [walking aid] or wheelchair, or any number of things that are medical devices," he says."

Come on, daily living?!? Same justification as a wheel chair?!?


Does this mean you have to be kind to grandma, or you'll apt to get shot
by mistake?:D

[caseysmom]

Those folks from that nursing home could have used some of those.

[Lady's Human]

Liz, the NRA doesn't make one red cent when someone buys a gun.

[lizbud]

Those folks from that nursing home could have used some of those.


It's funny, but that thought did occur to me too.:D

[blue]

Good picture of Obama.:) but really you should give credit to the NRA.
They love to scare folks into buying more guns by spreading fear. They
laugh all the way to the bank.

Like the media would allow any poor picture of Barry to be published.

As LH pointed out the NRA dosent profit from gun sales.

The NRA, Jews for Preservation of Firearms Ownership, and Gun Owners of America are profiting from a surge in their memberships because of the news of the next AWB, the talk of higher taxes on ammo, and that first time gun buyers are up 30% to 300% depending on the part of the country reporting.

Very few gun stores are not jacking up their prices due to demand. Impactguns is out of stock on many of the firearms that will fall under the possible coming AWB, they still have the exotics, NFA weapons, and weapons that are simmilar to but not subjected to the last AWB.

If the talk of the new AWB does come to pass, and I see no reason it wont, it still wont affect weapons that fall under the National Firearms Act; ie machine guns, silencers/suppresors, short barrel rifles and all other weapons will all still be legal and taxable. It wont protect you from people with illegal or controlled weapons that are in their possesion. It wont protect you from people who are carrying illegally. Many citizens, maybe not you and yours, will be in more danger because legal firearms will be taken off the streets and out of homes.

[blue]

Just for funnay.

http://www.geocities.com/duffy7836/ZombiePrepKit.jpg

[lizbud]

Just for funnay.

http://www.geocities.com/duffy7836/ZombiePrepKit.jpg



I'm not laughing.:confused: Why is a dog in that picture?

[cmayer31]

Isn't this thread a little ray of sunshine :D.

To preface my post:
- I don't carry a gun with me at all times.
- I'm not afraid of most areas of the city I live in.
- I'm not afraid of a hostile military taking over my house.

- I do carry a small pocket knife with me when I jog.
- I do carry pepper spray, a utility knife, and a hunting knife quite often when I'm alone in the back country, or more than a day's hike/run from the truck.
- I am terrified of the 10 blocks of gang neighborhoods adjacent to where I live.
- In the last 12 months my house has been burglarized 3 times. Luckily without a break-in, just stolen property from the front yard and side yard. The local police were notified and reports taken each time.
- In the last 12 months my truck has been broken into twice including last month when my tail gate was stolen. The local police were notified and reports taken both times.

I own a shotgun that is broken down and stored in its case (An over under style trap gun). I legally target shoot most weekends during the winter for my own personal enjoyment and to keep the gun in good working condition and to keep my skill level up.

I keep two rounds of dove shot within easy reach of my bed and I can assemble the gun in less than a minute. If one of the local thieves finally gets the nerve to break inside the house, and I have time, I will load the gun and make sure it is known that I am armed. The majority of thieves near where I live are petty thieves and migrant workers looking for quick cash. The police are aware of it and try to make a presence at night, but they can't be everywhere at once. The simple notion of a home owner awake and with a gun will, in my opinion, lead to the average petty criminal fleeing the property.

An acquaintance of mine was mugged at 7am a couple of Saturdays ago while jogging around Lake Hodges, he was forced to give up his cell phone and drivers license, the only things he had, at knife point. Until this incedint I never even thought twice about taking Frankie hiking through here in the morning. Now I'm jumping at every sound when I'm near the lake and will probably carry a can of bear spray with me when I hike. It sucks that I have to live with this fear, but again that's how it is now. I'm hearing more and more of these stories as the times become more strained.

Next June I'll be going on my annual camping/back country hiking trip that will include 2-3 days of backpacking. Normally the people I hike with do carry small caliber handguns that are easy to pack and carry. Normally I would never consider carrying a firearm beyond a long rifle or shotgun, but this year I'm seriously considering picking up a pistol or revolver, trigger lock, and small ammo box to take with me on the trip. Maybe I am starting to live in a box of fear, but it isn't unwarranted from my personal experiences and those of people I know personally.

No matter what, gun safety should always come first and if I did have kids in the house I would own a gun safe and not leave a key in the house where it could be found by a kid looking for it. So for me a gun is my right and I choose to protect that right by being a responsible gun owner; same as I'd expect from everyone. :)

[blue]

I'm not laughing.:confused: Why is a dog in that picture?

She was sleeping, I didnt want to wake her. Besides a good dog is part of any Zombie Early Warning System.

[blue]

Normally I would never consider carrying a firearm beyond a long rifle or shotgun, but this year I'm seriously considering picking up a pistol or revolver, trigger lock, and small ammo box to take with me on the trip. Maybe I am starting to live in a box of fear, but it isn't unwarranted from my personal experiences and those of people I know personally.

Good post all in all. I would reconsider firing Dove shot at someone breaking into your home and threatening you, the criminal and his/her lawyer would likely sue you for medical bills and damages.


No matter what, gun safety should always come first and if I did have kids in the house I would own a gun safe and not leave a key in the house where it could be found by a kid looking for it. So for me a gun is my right and I choose to protect that right by being a responsible gun owner; same as I'd expect from everyone. :)

Since the 2nd Amendment is the law of the land it needs to be taught in public and private schools and should also be on the curriculum for home schoolers, with a firm basis in firearm safety.

And with the President Elects voting record, Ild consider getting that handgun sooner rather then later.

[Cinder & Smoke]

... how 'bout a gun as a medical device....

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16207

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn16207/dn16207-1_300.jpg

FDA approves handgun for the handicapped

Single-shot gun designed for those crippled by arthritis,
muscular dystrophy ...


The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has accepted a conceptual, ergonomic 9mm handgun —
designed for people crippled by arthritis (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/03/21/hydrogel-cartilage.html), muscular dystrophy, or similar conditions
that render them too weak to operate normal handguns — as a Class 1 Medical Device.
The single-shot gun, dubbed the Palm Pistol, is "an adaptive tool
that allows someone otherwise incapable of handling a revolver or semiautomatic weapon
to operate one," said Matthew Carmel of Constitution Arms,
the New Jersey-based company developing the gun.
Thanks to the gun's designation as a medical device,
doctors could eventually write prescriptions for it and then be reimbursed by Medicare.

Full Article at >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28116693/

Good Grief!
:rolleyes:
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But *WAIT* ~ there's an UppieDate on MSNBC now >>>

The Latest Version of this Pistol Tail >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28116693/

FDA nixes proposed ‘prescription pistol’

By The AP:
WASHINGTON - It could have been the world's first prescription pistol.
The single-bullet Palm Pistol set the Internet abuzz with speculation that Medicare
might even pay for the elderly and disabled to pack heat.
But on Monday the Food and Drug Administration said the Palm Pistol
doesn't have a shot of being listed as a medical device, and
revoked the registration issued to its inventor only last week.
"The FDA has determined the product is not a medical device," the agency said in a statement.
... FDA spokeswoman Siobhan DeLancey said Carmel apparently
got some bad advice from a representative of the agency.
And maybe he should have paid more attention to the fine print on the registration notice.
It said: "Registering ... does not, in any way,
constitute FDA approval of your facility or your devices."
An earlier version of this article reported that the FDA had accepted the Palm Pistol
as a medical device, based on last week's registration.
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Granny, how far can you toss a Hand Grenade?

:p

[Cincy'sMom]

FDA nixes proposed ‘prescription pistol’

By The AP:
WASHINGTON - It could have been the world's first prescription pistol.
The single-bullet Palm Pistol set the Internet abuzz with speculation that Medicare
might even pay for the elderly and disabled to pack heat.
But on Monday the Food and Drug Administration said the Palm Pistol
doesn't have a shot of being listed as a medical device, and
revoked the registration issued to its inventor only last week.
"The FDA has determined the product is not a medical device," the agency said in a statement.
... FDA spokeswoman Siobhan DeLancey said Carmel apparently
got some bad advice from a representative of the agency.
And maybe he should have paid more attention to the fine print on the registration notice.
It said: "Registering ... does not, in any way,
constitute FDA approval of your facility or your devices."
[I]An earlier version of this article reported that the FDA had accepted the Palm Pistol
as a medical device, based on last week's registration.
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[B]B]

:p

Great news! I was really afraid we were going to have to start testing the plastics these are made from in our chemistry lab!! AS hard as I am on the chemist's sometimes, I'd hate to arm them with medical devices!!! :D

[blue]

With all the death medical devices contributes to we really dont need more.



Some here have stated that gun ownership should be curbed due to the deaths of children, when the lives thousands of unborn children are ended yearly with legal medical procedures. It seems to me there are more responsisble gun owners then people not wanting to reproduce, or act responsively. On the large responsible gun owners kill less children.

Keep in mind you do not have the Right to infringe upon the Rights of others, and I have the authority to protect my Rights.

[Fett]

Just for funnay.

http://www.geocities.com/duffy7836/ZombiePrepKit.jpg


Ahhhh.....nothing like 30 round magazines and drums of 7.62x39mm AK ammo to brighten my day. :) You are indeed ready for the zombie invasion. :D

[blue]

Ahhhh.....nothing like 30 round magazines and drums of 7.62x39mm AK ammo to brighten my day. :) You are indeed ready for the zombie invasion. :D

Ild still like a M2037 for the river gun, that way I can launch flares at the photosensitive zombies.

I asked Santa for one of these, the longer version..

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/images/medium/Havoc1%20(Small)_MED.jpg

[Puckstop31]

Good post all in all. I would reconsider firing Dove shot at someone breaking into your home and threatening you, the criminal and his/her lawyer would likely sue you for medical bills and damages.

Not in PA, oddly enough... PA, as left as it is now, is very strong on protecting the rights of gun owners who use their weapons in self defence. The wounded criminal has very little right to sue here.

But then again, that is why you empty the magazine. ;)

[Fett]

Ild still like a M2037 for the river gun, that way I can launch flares at the photosensitive zombies.

I asked Santa for one of these, the longer version..

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/images/medium/Havoc1%20(Small)_MED.jpg

I had one of those longer versions. Sold it off a couple years ago. Hope you can score one from Santa! ;)

[blue]

Love him, hate him, Ted speaks the truth.

Link to video. (http://biggeekdaddy.com/miscvideos/TedNugent.html)

[blue]

Source (http://www.ccrkba.org/pub/rkba/press-releases/nickles.oust.htm).


GUN OWNERS HELPED OUST SEATTLE MAYOR, SEND MESSAGE, SAYS CCRKBA

For Immediate Release: August 21, 2009

BELLEVUE, WA – Seattle gun owners can take much credit for the ouster of anti-gun Mayor Greg Nickels in this week’s primary election, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said this morning following what amounted to a concession speech at his press conference.

Nickels came in third in the city’s “Top Two” primary, signaling that voters in Seattle were fed up with his bully pulpit style, and perhaps more than anything, his arrogance, said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. No single episode has better underscored that haughtiness than the mayor’s open defiance of Washington State law that denied him the authority to set up the city’s own restrictive gun laws.

“When the mayor announced last year that he would ban legally-carried firearms from city property when he knew it would be contrary to the state’s preemption statute,” Gottlieb recalled, “it made tens of thousands of Seattle gun owners furious. Nickels insulted their intelligence by promising to ban guns by executive order, which is the height of municipal contempt for the rights of citizens under the state Constitution. He literally threw away their votes.”

CCRKBA Projects Director Thomas McKiddie, a West Seattle resident, said he and his gun-owning fellow Seattleites had simply had enough of the mayor’s condescension toward their rights to be safe on city streets, in parks and on other public property.

“I don’t know a single gun owner in Seattle who voted for Nickels,” McKiddie said. “After he threatened an executive order, he lost the nerve to actually issue one because he knew he would lose that fight in court. Instead, he included gun prohibitions in use contracts for the Seattle Center and other venues. He knew a citywide ban would be unenforceable, and his ouster demonstrates that Seattle gun owners were having none of it.”

“We hope this sends a signal to Nickels’ successor,” Gottlieb observed, “that stirring the wrath of gun owners is a mistake. This week’s primary result in Seattle should stand as a warning to other mayors who signed on with New York’s Michael Bloomberg to trample the firearms rights of their constituents.

“Mayors are not monarchs,” Gottlieb concluded. “They are not above the law. Greg Nickels is going to have a long time to think about that, as he watches this election season from the sidelines.”