This makes Me So Angry (Update post 53) by Finn's Mom [Archive]

lizbud

07-29-2008, 12:57 PM

Another tragic dog mauls baby story.:mad: Nobody knows how this could
have happened with three adults in the home at the time. Something is very
very wrong here & that poor child is dead & the puppy will also be put down.

Nobody can tell me the adults wouldn't have heard the babies screams.:mad:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/07/29/dnt.ok.puppy.kills.baby.cnn

Annother article,same subject.:mad:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/17024519/detail.html

Lady's Human

07-29-2008, 01:01 PM

WTH are these people thinking?

Karen

07-29-2008, 01:09 PM

They showed the distraught 17-year-old mother, did they say the father was 19? Can you say "Not yet responsible enough for parenthood?" Why didn't at least the grandmother have some concern (old enough to have raised at least one child to teenager age), and stop the incident? I would not be at all surprised if substance abuse comes into the picture, how else could they all
a) leave the child alone in a swing at that age? He was 8 1/2 weeks old!
b) Leave a 6-week-old puppy unsupervised?
c) Not hear either the pup or the baby making noise?

Husky_mom

07-29-2008, 01:24 PM

I hate even more so... how they make it looked like an actual "attack"... which I don´t buy at all... no pup "attacks"..... one thing might have lead to the other but calling it attack is just plain sick...

adn as Karen sid how in the world they left the 8.5 week baby ALONE in a swing... in a complete UNATTENDED situation...come on...

a two month baby is no where near capable of being left alone even less in a swing....it takes merely 2 seconds for something to happen....

so sad for the baby.... having those "parents" and sorry about pup.... poor babies left with soooo ignorant and irresponsibel persons...

Cataholic

07-29-2008, 02:15 PM

Husky_mom

07-29-2008, 02:27 PM

caseysmom

07-29-2008, 02:42 PM

I think I was thinking regular swings... :p ...

Actually once they begin crawling is when they become dangerous.

Karen

07-29-2008, 02:46 PM

Very tragic.

I placed my son in a swing from the day he came home from the hospital. The child was 2 months old, how is that too young for a swing? They are infant swings. Much beyond 4 months or so and the infant is too big/weight wise for it.

I never said he was too young to be in a swing, but he was too young to be left completely unattended in a swing for an indeterminate period of time. I'm sure when you had Jonah in a swing, you still kept an eye on him, making sure he was okay.

jennielynn1970

07-29-2008, 03:03 PM

I doubt the puppy attacked. More likely is that the baby is in the swing, feet dangling, and the puppy wanted to play. That's how puppies are.

If they put the put to sleep for that, it's just insane.

I'm sure the kids are upset that their child is dead, but they're just kids having kids. They have no clue sometimes how quickly an incident can escalate. The mom probably thought she could relax and get a nap and just let the baby go in the swing or something like that.

It's just a tragic situation for all concerned.

lizbud

07-29-2008, 04:23 PM

The one accounting said there were 3 adults in the house with the baby.
what were all three doing while this baby was being chewed up?:mad:

They would have to be dead not to have heard that infant cry.:(

They all should be arrested for neglecting their child.:mad:

K9soul

07-29-2008, 04:49 PM

I think the infant had to have been dead before the puppy bit/chewed on the baby. There's no way I'll believe the puppy "attacked" a live infant in a swing and proceeded to maul and kill the infant with adults in the home. This story sounds so wrong and far fetched. A pup that young would still have milk teeth and a weak bite if it is truly 6 weeks old as they say.

Alysser

07-29-2008, 04:58 PM

Vela

07-29-2008, 05:21 PM

I agree with Jessica. I think something happened to the baby either intentional or accidental and then the puppy got ahold of it somehow. No puppy is going to get knocked in the head with a kid in a swing and not run at that age, could only reach the baby's feet, and 6 weeks, heck even 8 week old pups arent strong enough to "attack" anything. The baby would have had to be screaming unless it was already dead, and if it was, why didn't anyone hear it? THere is more to this story and I don't beleive it had much to do with the puppy at all. Poor little souls.

jennielynn1970

07-29-2008, 05:29 PM

Let's hope they find out the truth before they put the dogs to sleep.

*LabLoverKEB*

07-29-2008, 06:05 PM

I can't even believe what I just saw in that video! I agree, these 'parents' should be arrested for neglecting this poor child, and should have NEVER been left alone, with or without a dog!:mad::mad::(

shepgirl

07-29-2008, 06:36 PM

I'm aggreeing with Karen on this one. I've seen 8 week old pups and not one would be capable of "attacking". Maybe the child was left in the swing too long in a bad position and simply smothered. But the blame does rest on the 3 people who left that baby alone. Kids having kids, right on...
A mom grabbing a nap with a new baby...highly unlikely, the time just isn't there.

shais_mom

07-29-2008, 06:40 PM

This is such BS, wtf?

-the baby was unattended OUTSIDE
-the parents and grandmother were HOME
-the baby was left with TWO dogs outside

This is completely questionable, the puppy shouldn't even be WEANED yet, he's not even 8 weeks old. I don't believe a word of it. :rolleyes:

I can't see the first video so maybe what you are stating was in that but where does it say the baby was outside?

I thought the grandma looked pretty cool-cucumber like standing there with her ciggie and tatts. And the 'dad' and the punk rock hair do, and the mom I just want to smack all of them. I don't understand how a 6 week old puppy could do anything to a baby in a swing without someone including neighbors hearing it screaming. My cousin has a 2 month old baby with a set of lungs on her like Pavarotti, no way would she be silent while a puppy chewed her to death. Its stupid, idiotic, assinine people like these that make people get rid of their animals as soon as they get pregnant. My grandma kept asking my cousin when she was getting rid of their dog when she got pregnant, which INFURIATED me (I know its a generational thing, and she's an old farm wife, dogs weren't allowed in the house back then). My cousin was like 'huh? we aren't getting rid of him'. I said I know PLENTY of people who have MULTIPLE dogs and MULTIPLE kids, it just comes down to what YOU want to be responsible for.

lizbud

07-29-2008, 06:42 PM

shais_mom

07-29-2008, 06:43 PM

The second link reports this.....

"Willingham said the baby's mother and grandmother were home, but nobody was in the room at the time."
This makes me think they were all inside the house at the time, but nobody
was in the same room. This just makes it more unbelieveable that no one
heard a thing.

I think the whole incident was misreported as a "attack" by the puppy.
Total BS.:mad: There are some people who will actually believe this is
crap & put the blame for this death on the pup. He doesn't even look more
that 7-8 weeks old itself. It's criminal negligence by the parents.

i see, well I'm at work and the speaker on the computer is set low - so I couldn't really hear a lot of the information

but I'm more agreeing with the ones who are suspicious that the baby was already desceased. I may get blasted for this opinion but I'm saying it anyway, the way those people look, who knows how long that poor baby was in the swing.

shais_mom

07-29-2008, 06:44 PM

This is completely questionable, the puppy shouldn't even be WEANED yet, he's not even 8 weeks old. I don't believe a word of it. :rolleyes:

??huh??
Keegan came home to ME at 6 weeks and she was weaned. I would have rather she stayed until she was 8 weeks but she didn't, it was either take her or I didn't get her at all. And almost 7 years later, I would not change a thing, even tho many days I wanted to tear my hair out.

lizbud

07-29-2008, 06:51 PM

But you were right Staci. A lot of people will say babies & dogs don't mix
so get rid of the animals when the woman is pregnant.:rolleyes: Totally
wrong info to be passing around.

This poor kid did nothing but be born into a family of dimwits & the puppy
will also pay with his life.:mad:

Pawsitive Thinking

07-30-2008, 05:47 AM

The only ones to blame are the parents!!! :mad: Some people shouldn't have pot plants lets alone kids and animals!

finn's mom

07-30-2008, 09:53 AM

Without all the details, it's hard to really say who is to blame. Everyone shares a part in it, of course, but who knows if the parents were taking a nap while the grandmother was supposed to be watching the baby? The parents look young, but just because they have punk looks, doesn't make them bad people. The grandmother is the only one who looks like she's not bothered by the situation. :/

I've seen aggressiveness in puppies as young as six weeks old before, but I don't think I've ever heard of an outright attack by one. :( The fact that they were dragging the pug out with a catch pole makes me think the pug was more likely to bite than the puppy they were cradling in their arms as they left the house.

My assumption (and that is all it is) is that they had the pug before the baby was born, but not the puppy, considering the age of the puppy and the baby. Jealous dogs can be very unpredictable, especially when left unsupervised with the object of their jealousy.

I wonder the same thing as a couple of others, though. The child may have been dead before the dog bites. :(

Vela

07-30-2008, 11:53 AM

Let's hope they find out the truth before they put the dogs to sleep.

The puppy was already put to sleep the same day, even though they hadn't done any real invesitgation into the issues.

K9soul

07-30-2008, 12:06 PM

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0708/539313.html

finn's mom

07-30-2008, 12:21 PM

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

That is disappointing. :( But considering the home that dog would have lived in, it may be a blessing in disguise. The whole situation is sad, sad, sad.

shais_mom

07-30-2008, 12:24 PM

thru the grapevine, (and I'm not revealing who clued me in) I've been informed that those of us that blame the parents for this tragedy have a vendetta against the parents. which is funny b/c those of us on PT that do not have children are by far outnumbered by those that do. You can be a responsible PARENT and PET OWNER, and fact of the matter these 3 people (I can't really say adults b/c the mom of the baby isn't) FAILED miserably and the ones that suffered for it are the innocent baby and the puppy. They are both gone from this world, never to return. Am I angry that this was allowed to happen. You bet.
But to actually say vendetta
ven�det�ta �� (vn-dt) KEY �

NOUN:

A feud between two families or clans that arises out of a slaying and is perpetuated by retaliatory acts of revenge; a blood feud.
A bitter, destructive feud
ummmm. No. I'm not asking for their blood or their head on a platter. I'm sure that they will beat themselves up over this for the rest of their lives. Yes, I made a crack about the father's hair. I know that teenagers try to be different and try to individualize themselves by the way they look, but you know what? First impressions are something you can't change. I still stand by my opinion and won't edit or change it. Do I think his haircut killed that baby? of course not. Even if he were clean cut - this still could have happened, he just wouldn't look like a meth head. What killed that baby was ignorant behaivor. And people need to take responsibility for that. I wasn't one of the ones that immediately said substance abuse played a factor, and if they find that it was the case, then I hope the law steps in. But it doesn't matter if they were playing checkers, smoking pot, or sleeping or just watching tv. They failed in their responsiblity to keep that baby safe and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives, not me.
This person also made a crack about child protective services, which is a moot point b/c why would CPS step in when the baby was already dead? They also made a crack about the immaturity level on this board, which I find amusing considering the original person the said it apparently has been lying thru their teeth. ahhh the joys of the internet.

lizbud

07-30-2008, 12:36 PM

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0708/539313.html

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.

Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

shais_mom

07-30-2008, 12:40 PM

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.

Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

I may not have children but that Cindy Harriss is my hero.
I'm glad she said it b/c the fact that I don't have children would have made my point moot.

caseysmom

07-30-2008, 12:53 PM

I think we have a CPS worker right here on PT and she agrees with all of us, right Shepgirl?

Cataholic

07-30-2008, 12:58 PM

I don't think having a child, having a dog, not having either, or having one but not the other is that which sets one person's opinion apart- or more 'valid'- than someone elses.

Having said that, I can tell you that my infant WAS left out of my eyesight, that I DID nap after my son was born, that my cats were left alone with him (though I did have a crib tent (not that he spent much time in the crib)). Horrible things happen. Sometimes they happen without any justifiable reason in the world. Sometimes they happen despite a parent's best efforts. Sometimes they happen just because they happen. And, sometimes they happen because of neglect.

A precious child's life was taken, as well as a puppy's life. Both of those are innocent victims. To say that the grandmother or either of the young parents was or was not suitably upset for anyone's liking is just so unfair. We ALL react differently to stress. Some faint, some cry uncontrollably, some don't react at all, or, not immediately. I would be amazed if any of those 3 people walk away from this unscathed on a grave level.

Maybe they WERE all stoned out of their mind, or sleep deprived, or manic, or confused, scared, neglectful, or simply human beings doing the best that they could. Does that change the end result? To flame these people, or the authorities for what they are or are not doing is unhelpful, and focusing on the past.

Take from the situation something that might make you do something differently in the future: otherwise these two lives were in vain.

:(:(

Karen

07-30-2008, 01:39 PM

Having said that, I can tell you that my infant WAS left out of my eyesight, that I DID nap after my son was born, that my cats were left alone with him (though I did have a crib tent (not that he spent much time in the crib)).

But I am betting that if Jonah had screamed, you would have woken from your nap! :) Maybe not been happy about it, but ...

shais_mom

07-30-2008, 01:49 PM

I don't think having a child, having a dog, not having either, or having one but not the other is that which sets one person's opinion apart- or more 'valid'- than someone elses.

thank you - I suppose I use my "i don't have kids excuse" as a vice but its been thrown in my face so much that I usually say it first anymore. Similiar to my best friend/cousin going thru her parents divorce when I tried to be understanding she said -"you don't know- you're parents are still together"
I had a patient say something to me a few months ago that I appreciated more than she could ever imagine. She had just been in a car accident with her teenage daughter. She didn't care about herself, she was trying to get her daughter out of the car. She said "do you have children?" I said my standard "no so I can only imagine how scary it would be and how hard you would try to get her out" she said "well it would be like wanting to get anyone you care about out of the car. Your parents, or sister or brother." No one before when they say - do you have kids and I say no - they blow off my opinion. She was the first person that ever took into account that I cared about other people and would want to keep them safe as well.

Cataholic

07-30-2008, 01:50 PM

But I am betting that if Jonah had screamed, you would have woken from your nap! :) Maybe not been happy about it, but ...

That is probably correct. But, I am also on hyper-alert status most of the time, sleep very lightly, and was 38 years old when I had him. Can I hold the world to my standards? No. I can't. I can hold ME to my standards, and remember the phrase, "there but for the Grace of God, go I".

The whole thing totally breaks my heart, as a mother, first and foremost, and as an animal lover. I am not sure I could ever recover from such a tragedy, and thank GOD this has not presented in my life. As I said, I don't know the cause of this infant's death, and no matter what comes out, it is in the past. The awful, awful past, something that we cannot revisit.

I watched a training fire last summer. It was an eye opening experience for me, as I saw, first hand, how quickly a fire spreads through a house, and how the heat, from 100 yards away, was so intense. I have cut my grass while Jonah sits in the house in front of the TV. I have chatted with a neighbor in the front yard while Jonah slept in bed. Does this make me an irresponsible parent? Making the call after the foul is pretty easy.

Hindsight is.....

RICHARD

07-30-2008, 02:11 PM

Ready?

I didn't see the pics or read the story but here's my take on the story.

Two teenage idiots have a kid and figure out that they can't handle it. Grandma can't stand having it scream during the Springer show, so she tells the kids to take the poor kid outside.

They toss the kid in the swing to 'calm it down' while it screams and they go inside to party/watch Springer or whatever. The kid stops fussing, everyone is happy until they find out that the puppy, seeing the kid's legs swinging back and forth and thinking it was a game, chewed the kid to death.

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People always do the 'swinging rag/toy' in front of puppies to play with them.
The dog didn't know any better.

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YOU can't call a foul before it happens.:confused:

Cataholic

07-30-2008, 02:21 PM

Well, now that THE voice of reason has spoken, we can all go home.

Husky_mom

07-30-2008, 02:37 PM

I have a kid... and have dogs... but even if I did not have any.. I would assume I would not leave my kid unnattended...

even if I napped... I would so wake up... maybe I can´t know this for sure as I do have a kid and I know for sure I wake up at any sound he made.....

when he was to be born I was afraid to not waking up but my fear faded as I did woke up it´s like instinct and babies do have this high pitched "sounds" so you can´t pass them over and out... but I guess the persons involved in this case didn´t had it and were all deaf......(no offense to hearing impaired people)

it really was an act or irresposible people.... and one thing lead to another but the main blame is IMO to the "adults" as they knew better... or so they thought...

poor pup... I agree in the why shoot first ask later on him.... why the parents get more mercy.... I know it´s their loss but it´s their fault too

RICHARD

07-30-2008, 02:40 PM

Watch out for the door knob.

I just fixed it.

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I didn't see anyone explain how a crying kid could be ignored.

My kids would probably have gotten into the baby powder or ripped apart a roll of toilet paper.

But then again, my kids would have been perfect.

Perfect ankle biting, sarcastic brats.:eek::o;)

Pawsitive Thinking

07-30-2008, 04:55 PM

You can be a responsible PARENT and PET OWNER

Exactly! My Katie has reached 18 surrounded by pets from dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, budgies, guinea pigs, fish etc etc I have no vendetta against those parents but they really should not try to pass the blame on to us

lizbud

07-30-2008, 05:04 PM

Horrible things happen. Sometimes they happen without any justifiable reason in the world. Sometimes they happen despite a parent's best efforts. Sometimes they happen just because they happen. And, sometimes they happen because of neglect.

Tell me just what the heck this means,"Sometimes they happen just because they happen"? What kind of logic is that? Everything has a
reason. Unless the Almighty willed that baby be chewed to death ,which
I don't think happened, some human being inside that house did not do
their job. They were irresponsibile no matter how you look at it.

shepgirl

07-30-2008, 06:27 PM

Richard you kill me....lol. But you're so right on this one. That's exactly the way I see it also.

Husky mom--I also had the same fears of not hearing my children if they woke durng the night...just doesn't happen, must be an inborn thing. I would be awake if they so much as hiccuped. It doesn't get any better even after the first but I would never have wanted it any other way.

I thought the baby was outside in the swing because they were showing the police talking around the swing and it looked like the baby was found there. Whether they were all inside or out, these 3 idiots are the ones to blame and not the pup, don't even think the pug either. It might have chewed it up a bit, but I still think that baby was dead long before the dogs got to it.

I'm hoping they'll keep us posted so we can get the whole story.

finn's mom

07-30-2008, 11:38 PM

Here is a new update...sorry if it's already been posted. This article states that police say the evidence points to the black lab. :( Of course, that could be just the visible evidence of bite marks that they're referring to.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8753165

Cataholic

07-31-2008, 08:13 AM

Tell me just what the heck this means,"Sometimes they happen just because they happen"? What kind of logic is that? Everything has a
reason. Unless the Almighty willed that baby be chewed to death ,which
I don't think happened, some human being inside that house did not do
their job. They were irresponsibile no matter how you look at it.

Was it the whole paragraph that dumbfounded you, or, simply the statement taken out of context? If, in your years of wisdom, you have not run across a situation in which a horrible outcome was the result with no one to 'blame', consider yourself lucky. In this specific instance, I had used the "sometimes they happen just because they happen" comment along side of several others that, conceivably, could point "blame".

Everything has a "reason"? Would you mind phoning my sister and explaining to her the "reason" her daughter became so critically ill? Wowsers.

lizbud

07-31-2008, 10:08 AM

There are always "reasons" but not always "blame". We may not know
the reason, but with study & investigations, the reasons often become clear.

In this case, I would bet my bottom dollar there will be plenty of blame
to go around for this baby's death.

sparks19

07-31-2008, 12:50 PM

Exactly! My Katie has reached 18 surrounded by pets from dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, budgies, guinea pigs, fish etc etc I have no vendetta against those parents but they really should not try to pass the blame on to us

Agreed.

hannah is being raised with two big dogs. GASP.

I don't unnessecarily put her at risk.

And for the record... after she was born you bet your arse I napped when she napped. there isn't time :rolleyes: newborns sleep 20 hours a day. how is there not time? lol and hannah is alone everytime she naps or sleeps at night... she is in her own room in her own crib and has been since the day she was born. And sometimes... Beezer sleeps on the floor in front of her crib.

That being said I NEVER sleep through her crying. Even her binky falling out of her mouth wakes me up sometimes. one of her books that talks was going off randomly WAAAAAAAY out in the living room and even IT woke me up.

Cataholic

07-31-2008, 01:36 PM

one of her books that talks was going off randomly WAAAAAAAY out in the living room and even IT woke me up.

My basement is unfinished, and I have hardwood floors on the first level. One of Jonah's toys kept going off in the basement, and it scared the you know what out of me!

RICHARD

07-31-2008, 03:05 PM

Richard you kill me....lol. But you're so right on this one. That's exactly the way I see it also.

Don't worry, I won't bite you to death.:eek::o:rolleyes:

sparks19

07-31-2008, 03:06 PM

My basement is unfinished, and I have hardwood floors on the first level. One of Jonah's toys kept going off in the basement, and it scared the you know what out of me!

Yeah that's a pretty creepy experience lol. I know when it would go off at night and I would go out to try to make it stop my heart would be pounding... I was actually scared lol.

lizbud

07-31-2008, 06:56 PM

Only update I found from this morning.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8753165

finn's mom

07-31-2008, 08:30 PM

Only update I found from this morning.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8753165

I got excited for a second, hoping for a new update, but I think this is the same article I posted this morning. :( I hope they find out something new soon.

shepgirl

07-31-2008, 08:32 PM

How does anyone leave a two month old baby unattended for an hour and a half, and in a swing. The lab pup was also only 2 months old, too young to maul a baby to death. And yet no one heard any cries or screams from the baby...unbelievable. Sounds so incredibly stupid, I would have heard my kids crying from two houses down yet the mom heard nothing for all that time? Zonked out somewhere to me...cause no way does anyone leave a 2 mo. old alone in a swing for that long.

shepgirl

07-31-2008, 08:48 PM

And for the record... after she was born you bet your arse I napped when she napped. there isn't time :rolleyes: newborns sleep 20 hours a day. how is there not time? lol and hannah is alone everytime she naps or sleeps at night... she is in her own room in her own crib and has been since the day she was born. And sometimes... Beezer sleeps on the floor in front of her crib.

There wasn't time for me, you might have been luckier. A colicky baby or one with allergies does not sleep 20 hours a day.
When the baby sleeps you try to get everything else done, like laundry-I didn't use disposable diapers so there were loads of diapers always in the washer, meals,cleaning, and you still have the dogs to look after. And if you have another child, then that child needs caring and looking after also. No, those were the sleepless days for me.

finn's mom

08-05-2008, 06:35 PM

Here are a couple of updates on this case, for anyone interested...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080805_11_A1_spancl167280

http://www.4029tv.com/news/17096103/detail.html

shepgirl

08-05-2008, 08:32 PM

Thanks for posting the updates. That was more gruesome than I thought though.
Charges of neglect seem like a slap on the wrist when there's a 2 month old dead. Sounds like the whole family was dysfunctional.

4 Dog Mother

08-06-2008, 10:33 AM

Like most of you I have trouble understanding how anyone could leave a baby unattended and unchecked for a period of 1 1/2 - 2 hours. Especially with pets in the house. If the males left the house, why didn't they put the baby in one of the women's rooms. Most baby swings are portable swings and easily moved- THEY ARE PORTABLE! From that recent report, I have to wonder if the grandfather did not put the child away from the women because they did not want to be disturbed by her cries.

I too have a lot of trouble imagining a puppy that young could actually do that much damage by himself to a baby. And from what was said, he must somehow have managed to tip the swing or get into the swing because otherwise he would not have been able to do all that they say he did. I also have to wonder why they had to put him down right away. He was a puppy -he didn't seem to be fighting the man who took him out of the house so he wasn't wildly aggressive.

Obviously there is more behind this story than we know. There was nothing said about an autopsy of the baby - I too wonder if the baby wasn't dead before the dog got to it. And how TWO women could sleep through a baby screaming as that baby had to have is just unbelievable.

To be honesty, I would never let a 6 week old puppy have run of the house. It is doubtful that he was fully house trained plus few puppys can be trusted not to chew on things or get into some kind of trouble.

I hope the true story comes out but I highly doubt that it will. The puppy will take the fall.

lizbud

08-06-2008, 11:19 AM

Well, at least the mom has been arrested & charged with neglect. That's
a start.:rolleyes:

shais_mom

08-06-2008, 11:20 AM

yes the mom was arrested and charged with neglect but the grandma lived there too and was sleeping as well. Are they doing drug tests on HER?
if not they should be and she should be sitting in jail right beside her daughter!

pitc9

08-06-2008, 03:36 PM

I wonder if they know for SURE that the baby wasn't dead already???

Some reports say the puppy hadn't eaten in days.

finn's mom

08-06-2008, 06:00 PM

lizbud

08-06-2008, 06:56 PM

I didn't see where she was arrested, can someone post a link? And from other articles and from the video, the dog looked to be older than six weeks. I usually don't stay this interested in a story, but this one really has stuck with me. So, I keep looking to see updates.

I didn't read the word"arrest" anywhere, but if she has been "charged"
with neglect, she would have been required to be in court to answer the
charges. I don't know the law in OK, but I doubt they just issue a ticket
for a charge like that. That was my thinking anyway.

finn's mom

08-06-2008, 09:13 PM

I didn't read the word"arrest" anywhere, but if she has been "charged"
with neglect, she would have been required to be in court to answer the
charges. I don't know the law in OK, but I doubt they just issue a ticket
for a charge like that. That was my thinking anyway.

Gotcha. I've only seen "accused" in the articles...unless I'm forgetting that I saw "charged." Either way...at least this is continuing and not just being dropped. It deserves to be figured out.