Grady has FLUTD - UPDATE #9

[Grace]

and frequency of urination. No other symptoms. Great appetite - acting like normal.

We have an appointment at 1500 today.
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[critters]

Probably a UTI, possibly crystals or stones. Is he doing the "box hoppin' boogie?"

[Grace]

Idiopathic cystitis.

We have to segregate him from the other 5 tonight - to make sure he is still peeing. He's on Clavamox - only because he has a metal insert in his leg, Valium (to relax him) and Buprenex for pain. May start him on Prednisone tomorrow - depends on how he is tonight.

We gave him the antibiotic and Valium when we got home. So far the Valium hasn't touched him!

[krazyaboutkatz]

I'm sorry to hear this.:( I hope he'll start feeling better soon.

[Medusa]

Oh my, Grady! I'm sorry that you're feeling poorly. Sure hope you feel better real soon.

[Catty1]

Oscar, being formerly wild, got idiopathic cystitis several months after Cole arrived. The vet explained it was from stress - even though Oscar was settled and loving, even 'good' stress could cause a reaction.

He wanted Oscar on Elavil - but I asked about Feliway, and he agreed to try it. It has worked great! I shake it, and put a wee shot into his stretchy collar every morning.

Oscar had just a very few crystals which disappeared in the first week with a food change...but even after the infection was gone a month later :eek: he still had blood in his urine. 30 days on 50mg cranberry powder a day in his plain yogurt (he loves it!).

Just things you might want to ask your vet about, just my experience.

I hope Grady feels better very soon.

[Grace]

Grady has never shown any signs of not feeling well - despite the frequency and hematuria.

We segregated him last night and everyone survived. He is peeing, and there were two decent wet spots in the box this morning.

Stress - yes, she mentioned that as a cause. He really doesn't have much in his life; but Charley does pick on him from time to time. I tend to attribute all his problems to in-breeding. We strongly suspect that his father was also his older brother. Grady was 'rescued' from a house up the street when he was 6 months old. They never even missed him.

Candace - thanks for all the suggestions. I most certainly will bring them up with the Vet.

Thanks to all of you for your concern and well wishes. We all appreciate them.

[Grace]

Well, things are basically unchanged.

Grady did a 10 day course of Clavamox, combined with Valium and the pain med. A week ago today, 6 days after completing the abx, he spent the better part of the day at the Vet. They were finally able to aspirate some urine. Results: gross hematuria - no infection and no crystals, low specific gravity so the kidneys are doing their job. She did an abdominal x-ray that showed nothing out of the ordinary.

Next step is an abdominal ultrasound. Probably up at MSU Vet School. I think we'll wait on that until after our trip to Virginia that begins in 10 days.

Grady is not in any obvious discomfort, eats and sleeps and plays just as he always does.

Idiopathic cystitis normally resolves with or without treatment in a couple of weeks. We're way past that point, and he still has the hematuria. It's a mystery.

[Grace]

Grady had an ultrasound on Thursday, and another urinalysis. He has crystals in his bladder - both calcium oxalate and triple phosphate. The specific gravity is high, but the pH is 6. Still a lot of hemolyzed blood present, but the color is not red any longer. It's dark orange.

So he needs to be on a special diet. Our Vet recommends canned food - it has lots more liquid that the dry variety, and he needs to dilute that urine.

Well, so far we have tried Hill's c/d Seafood flavor and Eukanuba Low pH/S. He won't even come near the bowl, even when it is mixed with lots of his favorite, smelly canned food. In fact, none of our 6 would touch either brand.

Candace, I told my Vet about the cranberry powder, and she has no problems with it. And I read an article I found in a post here from several years ago that advocated routine use of cranberry powder - as well as no dry food.

Does anyone have any suggestions re the refusal to eat the prescription cat food? I did buy a sampling of canned food from a pet store - will see if he likes any of them.

[krazyaboutkatz]

Grace, I'm so sorry to hear this.:( My Storm had to have the PU surgery because he became blocked 2 times and diet alone wasn't enough. He was on Royal Canin Urinary S/O in both canned and dry and he seemed to like it much betterthan the Hills brand. It's also supposed to help both calcium oxalate crystals and struvite crystals. I actually had all of my cats on this diet for a while until Starr become very sick.

Now with the approval of both my regular vet and my holistic vet, Storm is now eating a grain free diet and is on Innova Evo dry and the canned food which is called 95% Chicken & Turkey. I also add some water to his canned food so that he gets even more moisture. He loves it so much that he's been trying to wake me up in the morning because he wants his breakfast asap. He hasn't done this in years.:)

All of my cats are on a grain free diet and my holistic vet said that the grains can cause crystals in cats so having them on a grain free diet is best. It's also more like the raw diet without really being raw. I know it costs a bit more but my cats don't need to eat as much of it because the canned food is very rich and the dry food has a lot of calories. I hope that you'll be able to find something that all of your cats will like.:) I also mix the canned and dry food together for some of my pickier cats. Good luck.:)

[Catty1]

My guys are on Royal Canin urinary tract wet food - and were on the dry as well. I hear that RC is supposed to taste better, or something. Find out if it will work on both types of crystals. Medi-Cal Dental is supposed to prevent crystals - my vet told me he had just read some studies.

Check with your vet on the RC.

I also mix the wet with a bit of very warm water - more moisture, and a nice stew for the boys!

Pet stores carry Royal Canin...but you want to be sure the formula is the same.

I am glad to hear a diet change may do the trick for Grady.

[Grace]

Sorry I'm so late getting back here. We lost our internet connection due to weather shortly after I posted yesterday. It just came back up this morning.

This Royal Canin S/O - is it only available through our Vet? I looked in two pet specific stores this morning and couldn't find it at either.

I have been adding extra water to Grady's canned food. And he is so compliant that we have been able to give him extra water during the day with a syringe.

I'm not too worried about the food costing more - negating a few Vet bills will more than make up for the price of the food.

Grain free cat food - where do you find it? I saw some dry in one of the stores that had no soy, no wheat, and one other ingredient(?) - can't remember the manufacturer, but could find the food again.

Coming back to add on - I did buy a bag of Purina Urinary Tract dry food - and he will eat that.

[krazyaboutkatz]

Yes, the Royal Canin Urinary S/O is a prescription diet so you have to buy it through your vet. The Innova Evo can be bought at most independent pet stores. They usually carry the dry and the Turkey/Chicken kitten/cat formula in the canned food. Some will carry some of the 95% meat canned foods and they come in Venison,Beef, Duck, and the Chicken & Turkey flavors. I had to have the store special order the 95% Chicken & Turkey and I bought 2 cases and the store also gives me a discount per case.

Here's the website for the Royal Canin Urinary S/O Formula:http://www.walthamusa.com/Learning%20Center/SO30.html.

Here's the website that tells more about Innova Evo: http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1662. You can also click on the link where to buy and it will list the pet stores in your area that sell it. Good luck.:)

[Grace]

Tracey - thanks so much for the info.

We're heading to Virginia in the morning for grandson #1 high school graduation - so I will have to wait until next Monday to start on this. There are a couple of places very close that sell the Innova brand. And I'm going to make an appointment to speak with my Vet about the Royal Canin.

Our cat loving neighbor will be taking care of the critters, and she knows what to look for. She'll make sure Grady gets lots of liquids.

[jasbud]

Hi all,

I am new to this site, and was just looking for some feedback on my problem.
Mocha, my adopted cat from the ASPCA has the signs of blockage. He is only 2 1/2 years old, I guess young to get this. But he has been to the doctor 3 times...testing each time, and was given high blood pressure pills, antibiotics, and antianxiety medication. Each time the medication is gone, the problems start again. In and out of the box, and drops of urine. You all know....they say it may be from stress, and that really bothers me because he is an active cat, and I live in a very small place, could that be the source of his depression?? I hope not...but I am really grasping at straws at this point. I really do not want to have to give him back to the A because he will not be adopted too soon with his problems...but I do no want to be the source of his problems either!! This problem is very frustrating to me because the doctor keeps saying it could by caused by this or that, we can do this and that, but in the meantime, it just keeps recurring. Please, somebody help me here, all and any advice welcome!!

I would love to send picture of my Mocha, but have not mastered that yet, but he is gorgeous and very sweet!!

Anyway, thank you for listening...

Jasbud

[Catty1]

Jas - welcome to Pet Talk.

You'll get more response if you click on Cat Health and click on the "New Thread" button at the top left of the window.

There you can post your problem brand new. :)

[Grace]

Jas - welcome to Pet Talk.

You'll get more response if you click on Cat Health and click on the "New Thread" button at the top left of the window.

There you can post your problem brand new. :)


I sent her a pm awhile ago with the exact same message. Mocha deserves his very own thread :)

[jenluckenbach]

What kind of signs is he showing?

What kinds of tests were done?

Maybe he needs a prescription food.

[columbine]

Smudge likes the c/d dry, but not the canned! So he gets c/d kibble, plus a low-magnesium canned food (his crystals were PO3) that he likes with extra water, all of his medicines, and Kitty Kaviar (a dried fish treat) mixed in.

The only medicine he's still getting for his urinary tract is Cosequin, a joint supplement that's also good for the bladder and urethra. His other medicines are for his skin, and some fiber for constipation. I mix in so much water that it's basically gravy, and most days he laps it right up. But I had to try lots of different foods to find one that would always appeal to him. He's a die-hard fishoholic, so the Kitty Kaviar definitely helps. He hasn't had urinary problems for almost 2 years now!

Love, Columbine