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RICHARD

03-17-2010, 01:34 PM

I could do that for her.....that way she needn't talke her hands off the steering wheel. :D

Please, I would not wish any part of Pelosi on anyone!

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Please Political Jesus,

Make the headache of Health Care Reform and BO's obsession with it go away.:rolleyes:

wombat2u2004

03-18-2010, 05:00 AM

Please, I would not wish any part of Pelosi on anyone!

She's that bad huh ???

RICHARD

03-18-2010, 06:11 AM

She's that bad huh ???

The
Worst
In
Town.

Do you remember the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz?

Picture the character as a woman, on a soapbox with a boatload of Botox shot up into her head.
Fair enough?;)

wombat2u2004

03-18-2010, 06:15 AM

The
Worst
In
Town.

Do you remember the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz?

Picture the character as a woman, on a soapbox with a boatload of Botox shot up into her head.
Fair enough?;)

In that case, I think we'd better let kokopup use the shaver. :D

Puckstop31

03-21-2010, 10:20 PM

Well, they did it. They did it at 10:30pm on Sunday. All the arm twisting, deals, bribes and threats worked I guess.

Remember this day America. And my dear Hannah.... Please forgive us.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. "
-- Thomas Jefferson

*** ETA BONUS! We get to pay for the lady who wants to be a half ton!!! WOO HOOO!!!!

Hooray for enabling mediocrity!!!

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 01:15 AM

Remember this day America. And my dear Hannah.... Please forgive us.

Don't ask her for her forgiveness yet.

We get off the floor and keep fighting. How can you lose when you look into her eyes and say, "I tried."

Beats the hell outta telling here you stayed on the floor.:eek:

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We still have to 'clean house' and there are some legal challenges that have been tossed about regarding this bill.

I passed up the tube today because I knew all the morons would be gloating and patting themselves on the back.

LOL, I could 'write' in my votes for the next few years.

The letter "D" just ain't gonna cut it.

wombat2u2004

03-22-2010, 04:19 AM

Yeah, I read it on Yahoo this afternoon.:rolleyes:

sasvermont

03-22-2010, 08:25 AM

Bravo!

Puckstop31

03-22-2010, 09:24 AM

Bravo indeed... LOL

So, you are OK with the government having the precedent of being able to FORCE you to buy things?

Puckstop31

03-22-2010, 09:32 AM

Oh yeah, one more quick thing....

The last couple of votes were bought with a Executive Order. That order said that there would be no federal funding of abortion.

Wait... So the President can just modify the law of the land, on his own, with no oversight? THERE's a neato precedent.

sasvermont

03-22-2010, 09:33 AM

Puckstop31

03-22-2010, 09:41 AM

Bravo!

I have no problem with having to buy insurance. If you cannot afford it you can sign up for Medicaid.

I welcome the ability to buy coverage in the event I don't have coverage at work.

I support the new Heathcare laws. I am far from alone with this opinion. I just don't have a loud mouth.

Sas

Well, I guess there is not much else I can say then. If you are OK with the government telling you how to live your life.... No whining when they FORCE you to do something you don't like.

You might be far from alone... But you ARE heavily outnumbered. By people who know and understand history and what this really means.

If you cannot afford it now, could you not get Medicade, now anyway? Do you really know what this bill does?

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 10:15 AM

NOt only that?

The Supreme court refused to put a cap on Pain and Suffering awards in medical court cases.

LOLOLOLOL,

Read thru 2k worth of pages AFTER THE fact.

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If ignorance is bliss?

NP and her cronies were probably delirious.:D

Medusa

03-22-2010, 10:39 AM

If ignorance is bliss?

NP and her cronies were probably delirious.:D

NP clearly was. Did you notice her facial expression as she walked w/her huge gavel? Aside from the fact that she didn't have to do that and could've saved herself from hearing what "the people" had to say, she had that glassy-eyed look and the painted smile on her face.

This is why I trust no politician. If they had come right out and said "We know the people don't want this but we do, so it's going to become law", I still wouldn't have respect for them but at least it would demonstrate that transparency that they love to bandy about as though it actually exists. But oh no. They keep saying that they hear the people. Really? Did they not hear the protestors shouting "Kill the bill" and "We will remember"? Were they not aware of the polls that showed the majority of people didn't want this? Yes, they were aware. They chose to ignore it all b/c they wanted it or b/c they were pressured into it. God forbid it should damage Obama's presidency. :mad:

lizbud

03-22-2010, 11:20 AM

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 12:26 PM

NP clearly was. Did you notice her facial expression as she walked w/her huge gavel?

They chose to ignore it all b/c they wanted it or b/c they were pressured into it. God forbid it should damage Obama's presidency. :mad:

LOL, that's the most wood she's held in her hand, in years. Dare i say orgasmic?

Just did.

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Here's another effer that passed under the radar.

The med companies now have a 12 year buffer from the challenges of having a generic drug put on the market.

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My mom had a wonderful saying for times like this.

Por el culo de el? Le miran el sol!

Lol, that should replace one of the most feared procedures on the planet.:D

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 12:27 PM

momoffuzzyfaces

03-22-2010, 12:33 PM

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 12:40 PM

I still don't understand how forcing people who can't afford to buy insurance now to buy it or face a big fine is such a wonderful idea? Am I missing something? When did we become a dictatorship? :confused:

And when you fail to pay the fine? The arsehats are going to go after your income tax refund.

I love oblivion, most of the folks that really bother me are there, out of my way.:D

Puckstop31

03-22-2010, 12:41 PM

When did we become a dictatorship? :confused:

Jan 20th, 2009. ;)

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 01:10 PM

Back in the '80s the Houston Astros had a pitcher named J.R. Richard.
This dude was like 5 foot 20 inches tall and was a commading pitcher.

He ended up having a stroke when he was 30 years old and never pitched in the major leagues.

That season I went to a ball game and there were some OBNOXIOUS Houston fans sitting behind us.

They started to talk crap about Houston not winning the division and the only reason my team was going to win was because of that.

I turned around and told him that if that is the way we were going to win the division, we didn't want it.

Some people want to win at all costs and have no qualms about running roughshod over the losers and will bend the ear of anyone one that will listen.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.
-Bob Dylan

momoffuzzyfaces

03-22-2010, 03:13 PM

And when you fail to pay the fine? The arsehats are going to go after your income tax refund.

:D

What refund? Haven't had one in years and years.

They are planning on raiding the SS trust fund to help pay for all this. Only problem is, they raided that after 9/11 and never paid it back. Guess we will all be moving in the White house with the Pres soon. :rolleyes:

Lady's Human

03-22-2010, 03:41 PM

What refund? Haven't had one in years and years.

They are planning on raiding the SS trust fund to help pay for all this. Only problem is, they raided that after 9/11 and never paid it back. Guess we will all be moving in the White house with the Pres soon. :rolleyes:

There has never been a SS trust fund. It's all general revenue, theoretically tabbed for the specific use of SS........but Congress has NEVER pooled the money, they have always spent it.

9/11 has nothing to do with this issue.

momoffuzzyfaces

03-22-2010, 04:59 PM

.

9/11 has nothing to do with this issue.

Maybe not but before 9/11 they said SS had an excess to keep it going for about 50 years or so. After 9/11 it was gone. I'm sure I don't know what they did with it but it went somewhere.

Lady's Human

03-22-2010, 05:20 PM

Maybe not but before 9/11 they said SS had an excess to keep it going for about 50 years or so. After 9/11 it was gone. I'm sure I don't know what they did with it but it went somewhere.

It went where "projections" always go, into the trash can or down to the market for use as fish wrapper.

Politicians lie. To each other, about each other, and against each other, especially when campaigning.

Long term economic projections are nice targets, but in reality they're useless.

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 05:47 PM

LOL, now to see how the dimbulbs are going to end the war.

Let's see how they react to a population they have no control over?

On second thought,

Who cares about the soldiers?:eek::rolleyes::(:o

Grace

03-22-2010, 05:49 PM

On second thought,

Who cares about the soldiers?:eek::rolleyes::(:o

I do. (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=153886)

lizbud

03-22-2010, 06:24 PM

I do. (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=153886)

We all do too.:) Richard is just ranting. Must make him feel better to go
off the deep end every once in a while.:p

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 08:08 PM

We all do too.:) Richard is just ranting. Must make him feel better to go
off the deep end every once in a while.:p

It's way more fun to be a teabagger than a teabagee.;):D:eek:

Grace

03-22-2010, 10:04 PM

It's way more fun to be a teabagger than a teabagee.;):D:eek:

If you say so. I'd rather be a caring person than either of those.

Catty1

03-22-2010, 10:56 PM

http://synd.imgsrv.uclick.com/comics/db/2010/db100321.gif

RICHARD

03-22-2010, 11:46 PM

If you say so. I'd rather be a caring person than either of those.

I picture you more as a coffee/bourbon person.

Grace

03-23-2010, 06:06 AM

I picture you more as a coffee/bourbon person.

You're waaaay off :)

wombat2u2004

03-23-2010, 06:08 AM

You're waaaay off :)

You see Richard !!!! I KNEW it !!! Gretchen is a beer and pretzel person.:p

Grace

03-23-2010, 06:14 AM

You see Richard !!!! I KNEW it !!! Gretchen is a beer and pretzel person.:p

You're also waaay off :)

RICHARD

03-23-2010, 02:19 PM

You're also waaay off :)

Chocolate milk and cigars.

That's my last guess.:confused:

Grace

03-23-2010, 02:21 PM

Chocolate milk and cigars.

That's my last guess.:confused:

And my last answer - you're still way off the mark :)

lizbud

03-23-2010, 05:06 PM

Chocolate milk and cigars.

That's my last guess.:confused:

Naw, it's root beer & popcorn.:D

lizbud

03-23-2010, 05:08 PM

The first federal "intervention" into health care was in.....1798? At that time the Merchant Marine Services Act taxed employers of merchant seaman to ensure sailors get medical care.

Those Founding Fathers! What were they thinking???:)

Lady's Human

03-23-2010, 05:18 PM

It charged the seamen who opted to use the service $.20 per month, not the employers.

It charged the seamen who used the service.

The seamen had to work to get the service.

Also, at the time, the merchant marine was considered the wartime reserve for the Navy (look up the reasons for supporting fisheries discussed at the time of the revolution), so it was, in a way, the predecessor to the VA.

By the way, Pres. Obama, what happened to 5 days of public review of any bill before signing?

Do you even KNOW what's in the bill? I know there are members of Congress who don't, and they voted for the damned thing, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the President hasn't read the thing. There were people howling mad last night at work when they found out their FSA accounts are getting cut in half.

momoffuzzyfaces

03-23-2010, 05:52 PM

Then there are the millions of undocumented people here. They will have to get free health care because it would be cruel and inhuman not to. :rolleyes:

Puckstop31

03-23-2010, 10:01 PM

Thanks LH... You beat me to it.

Keep swinging at air Liz. LOL

Puckstop31

03-23-2010, 10:04 PM

Hooray for free speech?

http://www.canada.com/Coulter+event+shut+down+security+concerns/2718231/story.html

I am not in any way a fan of Ann Coulter. Her border line satire crosses the line too often. IMO. But this is quite something, no? I thought Canukians were a tolerant people?

Grace

03-23-2010, 10:34 PM

Perhaps Canadians draw the line at hate mongers -

“I hereby encourage you to educate yourself, if need be, as to what is acceptable in Canada and to do so before your planned visit here,” University of Ottawa academic vice-president François Houle wrote.

“Promoting hatred against any identifiable group would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges.”

blue

03-23-2010, 10:43 PM

Perhaps Canadians draw the line at hate mongers -

Maybe you're right.

“an embarrassing day for the University of Ottawa and their student body, who could not debate Ann Coulter . . . who chose to silence her through threats and intimidation, just like their vice-president did.”

RICHARD

03-23-2010, 10:48 PM

The first federal "intervention" into health care was in.....1798?

I guess we have come a long way from going to the barber shop and have a barber sawing people's extremities off?:eek::confused:

Puckstop31

03-23-2010, 10:59 PM

Perhaps Canadians draw the line at hate mongers -

Never forget Gretchen... Rights to Free Speech are meant to protect controversial speech.

If you start drawing lines.....

Catty1

03-23-2010, 11:04 PM

I read some of that story, and still did not understand what the VP's office was so upset about. What group is Ann Coulter supposedly attacking? I admit I know nothing about her.

Lady's Human

03-23-2010, 11:32 PM

The first amendment was directly intended to protect people like Ann Coulter. She makes political statements, frequently controversial political statements. I have an intense dislike for people on either side of the spectrum who push the envelope on free speech, however, they have a right to speak.

Unlike some, if I don't like what someone is saying on the air, I simply change the channel or turn off whatever medium is being used to disperse the speech, or, in the case of the local paper, cancel my subscription.

They have a right to speak.........however it isn't mandatory that anyone listen.

If the students in Canada wanted to protest Ms. Coulter's appearance, they should have just not gone to the speech. Empty rooms don't get much coverage.

Lady's Human

03-23-2010, 11:37 PM

Want to see something really telling and frankly disappointing on how much people follow politics and at what level they pay attention to it?

Here are the most popular (as in most viewed) "news" items on CNN's web site:

Biden's f-bomb
Teen has weight loss surgery
TARP watchdog slams Obama foreclosure program
Health reform's legal fight

VP Biden curses, and it's the leading story on CNN by 10 to 1, looking at their chart.

The bottom two stories have less than 1/10th of the hits that the fluff piece about VP Biden's verbal slip do.

The most influential piece of legislation in 50 years, and hardly anyone is paying attention.

A huge waste of public money (TARP) slammed by the committee given oversight of the program, and hardly anyone is paying attention.

I betcha people could give me the complete description of Jesse James' girl toy, though.

RICHARD

03-23-2010, 11:55 PM

I betcha people could give me the complete description of Jesse James' girl toy, though.

The girl with the swastika on her belly? The Illustrated Woman?
:eek::rolleyes::(

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The two things that should have been addressed RIGHT OFF THE TOP is tort reform and a price freeze on meds and implants/supplies.

No one seems to remember the 10 dollar aspirin?

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someone made a comment about a fricking nicotine junkie trying to shove a health care plan down our craws.

It's like Jesse James or Tiger doing a Learning Annex class on marriage.

Looks good on paper!

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bBiden's f-bomb.

Some cutesy email/blogger/db came out and said that JBs use of the word was far better than GWB's faux pas....

moron.

Grace

03-24-2010, 07:26 AM

Never forget Gretchen... Rights to Free Speech are meant to protect controversial speech.

If you start drawing lines.....

I'm not drawing lines, Canada is. Apparently their provincial and Federal laws pertaining to free speech are different than ours.

lizbud

03-24-2010, 07:14 PM

Interesting article I read today. Seems that there is a name for the
crazy reaction to Obama's efforts to fulfill his campaign promise to America.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-22/scary-new-gop-poll/?cid=hp:mostpopular1

RICHARD

03-24-2010, 07:20 PM

I do want to know about the sudden shift in the idea that the government should stay out of our lives.

People were a fracking paranoid about BIG government, yet they invite them into the HC arena and that will give them even more access to our medical records?

That makes me laugh, so why not just merge the Patriot act with health care reform? Or, did we forget about the intrusion just for the sake of the current regime?

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I am starting to think that BO is being punked my the white people that are supposedly there to advise him?

Rahm Emanuel is a punk and a bully.

I can hardly wait until he tosses out a wet one.;)

Lady's Human

03-24-2010, 07:31 PM

So.....

Bush derangement syndrome is a crock, But the first mentions of the same thing associated with the new Pres. is reality?

No link to the poll mentioned, and all in all reads like a sales pitch for the authors new book.....which is mentioned in the beginning of the article rather prominently.

It's pure drivel.

By the way, before you say I'm just panning it because it is pretty much an anti-conservative hit piece (which it is), I enjoy well written political commentary from either side.

This ain't it.

RICHARD

03-24-2010, 08:25 PM

BOMBSHELL MCGEE!:confused::D:o

LOL, My Nickname was CenterFire Sanchez.:D

Grace

03-25-2010, 02:51 PM

From Politico.

I love the responses dealing with why women politicians don't cheat :)

Power women breakfast
By: Kiki Ryan
March 25, 2010 04:44 AM EST

How do female politicians differ from their male counterparts? They (typically) don’t cheat.

So said the women — senators all — who gathered Wednesday for a breakfast panel discussion hosted by the U.S. Capitol Historical Society.

“You just don’t have the time,” laughed Kay Bailey Hutchison. “With all the multitasking [women] do, who could plan that whole scheme? Getting a flight to South America?” she asked.

Kirsten Gillibrand concurred: “While I’m at home changing diapers, I just couldn’t conceive of it.”

The panel discussion — which also included Dianne Feinstein and Susan Collins — took place in the Kennedy Caucus Room and was moderated by Cokie Roberts, who called the 17 women serving as U.S. senators “the last bastion of nonpartisanship in the Senate.”

The ways in which female politicians support one another — across party lines — was much discussed. But sisterly bipartisanship extends only so far — and not as far as Sarah Palin, it seems.

Said Feinstein of Palin: “She was inexperienced, had a lack of knowledge and [had] a limited worldview.”

RICHARD

03-25-2010, 03:39 PM

From Politico.

I love the responses dealing with why women politicians don't cheat :)

LOL,

Dianne Feinstein?
Cheating?

Her brother wants nothing to do with her, what does THAT say about her?

DF's better days were in the third quarter of the last century.....if that.

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Fulfulling his promise to America? Or shoving his filthy agenda up our rear?:);)

Even he doesn't know what in the HCR.

Not unless he grew a brain and read the darn thing.

And 99.9 percent of the people in the country have not read it.

So, what does that saw about the 49.45 percent of the people who are in favor of it and don't have the faintest idea as to what it means to the country.

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The HCR is akin to putting air into a tire that's gone flat.

No idea as to the cause of the leak.. It will fix itself.

Morons.

lizbud

03-25-2010, 04:32 PM

Great article Grace. Most men don't have a clue what women
are made of, or what they are capable of achieving in business and
in politics.:)

RICHARD

03-25-2010, 04:51 PM

Sugar and spice and a world of hurt if you cross them .

Let's see, what kind of sexist thought can I post?

Male seahorses are all screwed up and the females are lazy..:confused:;)

lizbud

03-25-2010, 05:00 PM

Sugar and spice and a world of hurt if you cross them .

Let's see, what kind of sexist thought can I post?

Male seahorses are all screwed up and the females are lazy..:confused:;)

Richard, do you think that most women ever really do understand
how men think, or vice versa ???

Lady's Human

03-25-2010, 05:24 PM

Great article Grace. Most men don't have a clue what women
are made of, or what they are capable of achieving in business and
in politics.:)

BS. Cut the sexist bull.

lizbud

03-25-2010, 07:37 PM

BS. Cut the sexist bull.

You have opinions & I have opinions & never the twain shall meet I guess.
Doesn't mean you are right & doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees is
wrong. So deal with it bub.

Lady's Human

03-25-2010, 07:40 PM

How's this suit you? Get back in the kitchen where you belong, Liz, and leave the political talk to the ones who really know what they're discussing.

Lady's Human

03-25-2010, 07:41 PM

See? Two people can be sexist idiots, not just you, Liz!:cool:

Grace

03-25-2010, 07:57 PM

How's this suit you? Get back in the kitchen where you belong, Liz, and leave the political talk to the ones who really know what they're discussing.

Are you always this grumpy?

Lady's Human

03-25-2010, 08:00 PM

Nope, only when dealing with people who get their panties in a bunch about sexism, but have no issue being sexist morons themselves.

RICHARD

03-25-2010, 10:10 PM

Nope, only when dealing with people who get their panties in a bunch about sexism, but have no issue being sexist morons themselves.

The danger of wearing thongs, It's predisposed.;)

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Do I think that men and women can ever know what each other are thinking.

Probably not, ask Sandra and Jesse.

The whole key to understanding each other is to take the time and try. My parents hooked it up for almost 50 years.

Either they tried, they gave up or the BSed each other for a long, long time.

I vote for all three?

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Nancy Pelpsi's office was inundated with threats this past week.

Most of the calls threatened to drop a house on her.

RICHARD

03-26-2010, 08:18 AM

http://specials.msn.com/A-List/Combat-Barbie.aspx?cp-searchtext=Combat%20Barbie/?gt1=36010

Am I sexist for wanting her to share her foxhole with me?:eek:

wombat2u2004

03-27-2010, 03:21 AM

http://specials.msn.com/A-List/Combat-Barbie.aspx?cp-searchtext=Combat%20Barbie/?gt1=36010

Am I sexist for wanting her to share her foxhole with me?:eek:

That depends on how long you would want to share that foxhole with her.
If for instance, you shared about a minute with her in that foxhole, she would most probably label you as "Sexist".
If on the other hand, you shared say.....er....2 hours with her in that foxhole, she would probably emerge with a smile on her face and not tell anyone what happened.
So therefore, if no-one knew what happened....how could they label you as a sexist ???? ;)

blue

03-28-2010, 12:04 AM

http://specials.msn.com/A-List/Combat-Barbie.aspx?cp-searchtext=Combat%20Barbie/?gt1=36010

Am I sexist for wanting her to share her foxhole with me?:eek:

Only for thinking she would want to share a foxhole with you..

wombat2u2004

03-28-2010, 06:48 PM

How's this suit you? Get back in the kitchen where you belong, Liz, and leave the political talk to the ones who really know what they're discussing.

Barefoot and in the kitchen ????
I'm with you LH.
It's where all women belong. :D:D

RICHARD

03-28-2010, 07:13 PM

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4120048/gregs-greg-alogue-323

I don't want a pony.....

But then again, we'll all have to clean up up the stable.

momoffuzzyfaces

03-28-2010, 07:14 PM

Barefoot and in the kitchen ????
I'm with you LH.
It's where all women belong. :D:D

yep, when all the men make the living and mow the grass and take out the trash and service the cars and repair the houses and all that 'men' stuff!!! :p

RICHARD

03-28-2010, 10:59 PM

I had to laugh about my prez showing up in Afghanistan.

(Was he there to try and get the Afghani Health Care laws up to snuff?;))

After shoving more, 15, candidates down our craw-

Yes, every other president has done it, but 15 at a time? And, using the lame excuse that they are needed to keep the country running?

I truly think he believes he's helping out!

-he shows up in theater, trying to show that he's a cool cat and he's there for the troops. Way to deflect the criticism, dude!:rolleyes:;)

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http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/21/129112783064605563.jpg

RICHARD

03-31-2010, 01:25 PM

I had a belly laugh over some CODE PINK moron who tired to arrest Karl Rove at a book signing of his.

One of the co founders tried to make a citizen's arrest. I guess her main complaint was about his lying to get the war in Iraw started.

Why don't they focus on the idiots that are in office and have more of an impact on what is going on now?

Makes you wonder how stupid people are.

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Why would my prez go an open up off-shore drilling to the oil companies?

Sounds like he's in bed with the energy companies.

Oops, that was our last President!

Sorry.;)

lizbud

03-31-2010, 05:11 PM

RICHARD

03-31-2010, 05:41 PM

Oh ,you are soooooo jealous of this Man.:D

You betcha, I'd use my evil powers for good!

And Yes, Socks wasn't an ordinary pussy!:D

wombat2u2004

04-01-2010, 03:31 AM

You betcha, I'd use my evil powers for good!

If you become Pres Richard......would you intro me to Monica Lewinski ???
She sounds like fun :D:D

RICHARD

04-02-2010, 12:33 PM

If you become Pres Richard......would you intro me to Monica Lewinski ???
She sounds like fun :D:D

I'll introduce you, what happens after is your own beeswax!;)

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I wanted to make a little observation about the Health Care issue and how it's being viewed by the Mexican media.

The stories about HCR have been viewed/reported has been reported as a mix of free health care and free insurance for the American masses.

Troubling because the numbers of illegal aliens has been dropping recently, Just like the American media, the Hispanic/Latin outlets really pick and choose the facts they want to report.

Some stations have made it sound like everyone will be covered no matter what their economic status is.

Bad news.....:eek:

wombat2u2004

04-02-2010, 04:46 PM

I'll introduce you, what happens after is your own beeswax!;)

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I wanted to make a little observation about the Health Care issue and how it's being viewed by the Mexican media.

The stories about HCR have been viewed/reported has been reported as a mix of free health care and free insurance for the American masses.

Troubling because the numbers of illegal aliens has been dropping recently, Just like the American media, the Hispanic/Latin outlets really pick and choose the facts they want to report.

Some stations have made it sound like everyone will be covered no matter what their economic status is.

Bad news.....:eek:

Makes me think of the movie I watched last night "The Alamo"....you guys are gonna get swamped again :eek:

momoffuzzyfaces

04-06-2010, 06:26 PM

RICHARD

04-06-2010, 06:49 PM

AND the Pres of Afgahanistan is threatening to quit and join the Talaban. So all our people died for nothing? :mad:

I think we should just pull out and let him run his own country or lose it his own way if that's how he feels. :mad:

I think a nice parting gift would be in order.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/306608/the_mother_of_all_bombs/

wombat2u2004

04-06-2010, 10:49 PM

I think a nice parting gift would be in order.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/306608/the_mother_of_all_bombs/

Ahhhhhh.....he's probably after more bucks.

Lady's Human

04-06-2010, 11:00 PM

All you'd ever accomplish with a MOAB in Afsandistan would be to make the rubble bounce.

wombat2u2004

04-07-2010, 03:19 AM

Afsandistan

LOLOL....I'll have to remember that one.

RICHARD

04-07-2010, 06:26 AM

All you'd ever accomplish with a MOAB in Afsandistan would be to make the rubble bounce.

Yeah, but it's THEIR rubble, not ours.;)

lizbud

04-07-2010, 11:04 AM

All you'd ever accomplish with a MOAB in Afsandistan would be to make the rubble bounce.

Pretty cold comment from a Christian, don't you think? I imagine a
MOAB would bounce a few women & children too. Don't they count?
Or maybe it's not funny enough.

Lady's Human

04-07-2010, 11:13 AM

When the Taliban and Al Quaeda stop using women and children as human shields let me know, willya?

lizbud

04-07-2010, 05:14 PM

When the Taliban and Al Quaeda stop using women and children as human shields let me know, willya?

Like that makes it ok, huh? You know better than that.

wombat2u2004

04-07-2010, 05:20 PM

when the taliban and al quaeda stop using women and children as human shields let me know, willya?

:d:d

Lady's Human

04-07-2010, 05:49 PM

wombat2u2004

04-07-2010, 06:02 PM

As long as the opposition continues to use women and children as both human shields and weapon delivery vehicles, it makes it impossible for me to believe any claims of civilians killed by military operations.

Like the Israelis in Gaza, how much of it is real and how much of it is a setup? The press had a field day when the Israelis bombed "civilians", but said nothing when it was discovered that the civilians had been herded there by the terrorists.

There are no rules when fighting these "people". How many patrols doing house to house in Iraq and Afghanistan have found live IED's stored under baby cribs, kids beds, in playrooms, toyboxes, etc? Easy to cry foul from your livingroom trusting in the ever truthful media to give you the part of the story they want you to see.

Exactly right.
They get brownie points because OUR media reports falsely about THEIR actions.
I guess some people haven't got the nounce to figure out yet that they've been had.
Same happened to us in Vietnam.....a big deal media coverage on the Mei Lai massacre....but hardly a puff of air about what the cong did to their own people in Hue.

RICHARD

04-07-2010, 07:15 PM

Osama Bin Laden has just released another tape outlining
his next threat.

He warns that he will drop the MOAA (Mother of All Afsanditans) on MOAB, UTAH.

http://www.moab-utah.com/maps/utahmap.html

It's the red dot, right off of Hiway 70......

The U.S. State Department is waiting to see if the voice on the tape is really OBL.

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The ATROCITIES done to soldiers in Viet Nam are some of th cruelest stuff that I have ever read about.

And it seems that people seem to forget what happened at the Hanoi Hilton.

wombat2u2004

04-07-2010, 11:11 PM

The ATROCITIES done to soldiers in Viet Nam are some of th cruelest stuff that I have ever read about.

And it seems that people seem to forget what happened at the Hanoi Hilton.

While Jane did a photo shoot and wined and dined the reds.
Whatever happened to treason ???

RICHARD

04-12-2010, 12:09 AM

http://c0389161.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/dyn/str_strip/316510.full.gif

RICHARD

04-12-2010, 03:57 PM

How can Washington let GWB and the evil Dick C. make more money.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/investing/halliburton-snaps-up-boots-and-coots/19435689/?icid=main|main|dl8|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyfi nance.com%2Fstory%2Finvesting%2Fhalliburton-snaps-up-boots-and-coots%2F19435689%2F

Why? Why are our elected officials turning their backs on us!!!

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I want hope and change back, the audacity stops here!

morons.

RICHARD

04-15-2010, 02:21 PM

Dude,

I came home for lunch and popped on the tube to see BO at the KSC.

Too bad we don't use hot air balloons to explore anymore.

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What a giant CF.

He'll listen to people at NASA to get more money pledged to the program, but cannot bend those ears to hear what the common man wants and needs?

Do not get me wrong, I LOVE THE SPACE PROGRAM and think the money was going to get there some way, but to flip flop on the cuts just shows he's another politician.

Maybe NASA can get him one of those virtual reality monocles that way he doesn't have to do the squinty eye thing when he change from teleprompter to teleprompter.

RICHARD

04-30-2010, 11:08 PM

Thank you for contacting my office.

Congressional courtesy prevents me from replying to emails if I cannot determine
that you are a constituent of mine.

If you are not a resident of California's 8th Congressional District and are
contacting me in regard to my role as Speaker, please email me at
[email protected].

If you are a resident of the 8th District of California, please contact my
office in Washington, DC at (202) 225-4965 to be added to our database.

LOLOLOL,

I signed a petition and sent an email to my state senator, along with my address and zip code and this twit cannot figure out that while I may not be a constituent, I do live in the state that elected her.

What a buffoon.;)

RICHARD

05-02-2010, 07:39 AM

I popped on the tube looking for news about the car bomb in NYC.

I tuned in to MSNBC and beheld the trash that I abhor the most.

Joe Scarborough, the blonde haired shrew that is his side kick and Arianna Huffington.

JS' foil, Mika Brzezinski, is a diaper load. She makes Arianna 'adorable' when they are both on screen. Jezuz, I can only imagine what it would be like to be married to her.

A suicide attempt would be more welcome...

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They were busy fawning over Kim Kardashian and her appearance at the correspondent's dinner at the white house.

The Gulf is being polluted, someone tried to wipe out Times Square and the prez is a really funny comedian.

wombat2u2004

05-02-2010, 09:26 AM

RICHARD

05-03-2010, 07:53 AM

Ya havin' a bad day mate ???? :p

just once a week, when I can afford it?:eek::(;)

lizbud

05-03-2010, 06:19 PM

Our Primary Elections are tomorrow & not a moment too soon for me.
There are a ton of Republican candidates running for Senate & Congress
so have heard a lot of commercials with unflattering photos & endless
exaggerations & some downright lies about Obama, Pelosi, and those wicked
power mad Democrats in Washington.:rolleyes: Some are attacking fellow
Republicans & tell how they would "fight" for "us" harder than the other guy.

My mute botton is gonna wear out if this goes on much longer. Come on
tomorrow.:)

RICHARD

05-03-2010, 09:10 PM

There are a ton of Republican candidates running for Senate & Congress
so have heard a lot of commercials with unflattering photos & endless
exaggerations & some downright lies about Obama, Pelosi, and those wicked
power mad Democrats in Washington

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/3/129121153479513885.jpg

wombat2u2004

05-03-2010, 11:06 PM

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/3/129121153479513885.jpg

And the broomstick !!!! :D

lizbud

05-04-2010, 10:12 AM

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/3/129121153479513885.jpg

Oh man, is that the worst picture you could find??

You should be so lucky to look half as good at her age.:D

lizbud

05-04-2010, 10:14 AM

And the broomstick !!!! :D

Who said that men can't be cheerleaders.:)

RICHARD

05-04-2010, 10:32 PM

You should be so lucky to look half as good at her age.:D

I am half her age and still scaring small children in the Greater Los Angeles Area.:eek::confused::o

You have to look at Political Commercials like a Short Attention Span Theater.

As the campaign goes on you just have to pay attention to who says what and how the other politico answers.

Then you yell, "LIAR" at the tube. The one that causes you the least amount of angst and makes you laugh is not qualified to lead anything.

THen?

Vote the third party;)

I approve this message.:eek:

RICHARD

05-19-2010, 07:43 PM

Dear Mr China,

Sorry about the Arizona law.

We kinda have lost our our bearings.

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Hey Reverend Wright.

If you were smart?

You would have shared a seat with Rosa Parks. That way you would have saved the embarrassment of sharing the pavement with his relatives?

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/05/president_obama_literally_pick.html

I love it.;)

RICHARD

05-21-2010, 02:08 AM

Am I crazy?

Did the Mex prez get a standing ovation in the Congress for criticizing 1070?

That lying politico has people with machine guns guarding his Southern Border.

Wow.:(:rolleyes::confused:

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Seems like every Democrat stood and gave Senor Presidente some love.....:eek:

Medusa

05-21-2010, 06:22 AM

RICHARD

05-21-2010, 06:58 AM

Yes, you're crazy but that isn't why. ;) I was stunned when I saw that.

Now, to find the cause of my madness!:eek:

I can hardly wait until election time.:mad:

RICHARD

05-22-2010, 12:48 AM

Accomplice?

http://www.wmal.com/Article.asp?id=1811440

wombat2u2004

05-22-2010, 01:12 AM

Accomplice?

http://www.wmal.com/Article.asp?id=1811440

"They also sat down with students in a free lunch program"
I knew there was another reason why they visited that school :p

blue

05-22-2010, 04:26 AM

Accomplice?

http://www.wmal.com/Article.asp?id=1811440

Modern day Eva Braun? Not saying he is or she is.

RICHARD

05-22-2010, 10:55 PM

I have to laugh.

The prez came out and talked about an "international order" he wants to implement.

Seriously,

GB got HAMMERED for calling the Gulf War a crusade. This guy comes out and could possibly agitate the people who believe in all the talk about the "New World Order" that they think is on the horizon.

Wow,
What an unfortunate choice of words. I cannot believe that any of his speechwriters and staff approved that speech.

And to do it at a military academy?

Bowing an apologizing to heads of state is one thing, this?

One of the things I fear I fear in life ? It's the 'guy that drives the bus' I always talk about.

blue

05-23-2010, 02:30 AM

Obama wins the right to detain people with no habeas review?

(updated below - Update II)

Few issues highlight Barack Obama's extreme hypocrisy the way that Bagram does. As everyone knows, one of George Bush’s most extreme policies was abducting people from all over the world -- far away from any battlefield -- and then detaining them at Guantanamo with no legal rights of any kind, not even the most minimal right to a habeas review in a federal court. Back in the day, this was called "Bush's legal black hole." In 2006, Congress codified that policy by enacting the Military Commissions Act, but in 2008, the Supreme Court, in Boumediene v. Bush, ruled that provision unconstitutional, holding that the Constitution grants habeas corpus rights even to foreign nationals held at Guantanamo. Since then, detainees have won 35 out of 48 habeas hearings brought pursuant to Boumediene, on the ground that there was insufficient evidence to justify their detention.

Immediately following Boumediene, the Bush administration argued that the decision was inapplicable to detainees at Bagram -- including even those detained outside of Afghanistan but then flown to Afghanistan to be imprisoned. Amazingly, the Bush DOJ -- in a lawsuit brought by Bagram detainees seeking habeas review of their detention -- contended that if they abduct someone and ship them to Guantanamo, then that person (under Boumediene) has the right to a habeas hearing, but if they instead ship them to Bagram, then the detainee has no rights of any kind. In other words, the detainee's Constitutional rights depends on where the Government decides to drop them off to be encaged. One of the first acts undertaken by the Obama DOJ that actually shocked civil libertarians was when, last February, as The New York Times put it, Obama lawyers "told a federal judge that military detainees in Afghanistan have no legal right to challenge their imprisonment there, embracing a key argument of former President Bush’s legal team."

But last April, John Bates, the Bush-43-appointed, right-wing judge overseeing the case, rejected the Bush/Obama position and held that Boumediene applies to detainees picked up outside of Afghanistan and then shipped to Bagram. I reviewed that ruling here, in which Judge Bates explained that the Bagram detainees are "virtually identical to the detainees in Boumediene," and that the Constitutional issue was exactly the same: namely, "the concern that the President could move detainees physically beyond the reach of the Constitution and detain them indefinitely."

But the Obama administration was undeterred by this loss. They quickly appealed Judge Bates' ruling. As the NYT put it about that appeal: "The decision signaled that the administration was not backing down in its effort to maintain the power to imprison terrorism suspects for extended periods without judicial oversight." Today, a three-judge panel of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals adopted the Bush/Obama position, holding that even detainees abducted outside of Afghanistan and then shipped to Bagram have no right to contest the legitimacy of their detention in a U.S. federal court, because Boumediene does not apply to prisons located within war zones (such as Afghanistan).

So congratulations to the United States and Barack Obama for winning the power to abduct people anywhere in the world and then imprison them for as long as they want with no judicial review of any kind. When the Boumediene decision was issued in the middle of the 2008 presidential campaign, John McCain called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country." But Obama hailed it as "a rejection of the Bush Administration's attempt to create a legal black hole at Guantanamo," and he praised the Court for "rejecting a false choice between fighting terrorism and respecting habeas corpus." Even worse, when Obama went to the Senate floor in September, 2006, to speak against the habeas-denying provisions of the Military Commissions Act, this is what he melodramatically intoned:

Link (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/21/bagram).

RICHARD

05-26-2010, 02:17 PM

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/26/testy-gop-heckler-confront-obama-on-immigration-energy-gay-ri/?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politic sdaily.com%2F2010%2F05%2F26%2Ftesty-gop-heckler-confront-obama-on-immigration-energy-gay-ri%2F

I am speaking with Congress here.

All the more reason to give up, get on your Air Force One and talk to the people of the Gulf Coast, wasting time with that knucklehead Baba Boxer lowers your credibility.

LOLOLOLOL, Check out the way BO brushes his shoulder off after BB gets close.

That was worth a million words right there.:eek:

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Nice to hear he is going on vacation and passing up the trip to the cemetary.

Ya have ta get the priorities straight.

What a groundbreaking idea?

RICHARD

05-28-2010, 09:04 AM

old, but ridiculously funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr56_qxmejQ&feature=related

RICHARD

05-29-2010, 03:49 AM

My sweet lord,

The current regime in the White House is battling the story about offering a Democratic politician an unpaid advisory position if the guy dropped out of an election.

Now, How stupid do you have to be to double your workload for the same salary?

Actually?

THis is the solution to the unemployment problem.

Offer the unemployed population, unpaid positions within the government.

They will be off the relief roles, staying busy and more work will get done w/in the halls of Washington, D.C.

Pure Genius.

And while you are at it Mr. Prez? Make us buy our own office supplies!

RICHARD

05-31-2010, 04:36 PM

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/storms-force-obama-to-delay-memorial-day-speech-in-illinois/19497786?icid=main|main|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww .aolnews.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Fstorms-force-obama-to-delay-memorial-day-speech-in-illinois%2F19497786

lol.

RICHARD

05-31-2010, 05:11 PM

It's rainy and there's lightning outdoors.

Let's stand the prez under a metal framed canopy.:rolleyes:

Lady's Human

05-31-2010, 05:15 PM

perfectly safe.

Faraday cage, anyone?

wombat2u2004

06-01-2010, 05:13 AM

Are Republican men happier ????

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/wombat2u2004/Pollies.jpg

Any more questions ??? :p

wombat2u2004

06-01-2010, 05:17 AM

It's rainy and there's lightning outdoors.

Let's stand the prez under a metal framed canopy.:rolleyes:

Can I open the door for him ???
Please ???? :cool:

Bonny

06-01-2010, 08:08 AM

Rofl!

RICHARD

06-01-2010, 12:12 PM

I'd give Janine a Turn er two?:D:eek::confused:

Karen

06-01-2010, 12:18 PM

Are Republican men happier ????

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/wombat2u2004/Pollies.jpg

Any more questions ??? :p

All purposely chosen unflattering pictures of the women on the Democratic side, gee, partisan, anyone? And none of the women on the Republican side chosen are anywhere near Helen Thomas' age ... they are all either younger and have flattering, smiling pictures.

wombat2u2004

06-01-2010, 12:18 PM

I'd give Janine a Turn er two?:D:eek::confused:

I wouldn't mind a lash at Carrie.
Nom nom nom. :D:D

wombat2u2004

06-01-2010, 12:20 PM

OMG Richard....the boss is here.
We've been busted :eek:

Lady's Human

06-01-2010, 02:05 PM

All purposely chosen unflattering pictures of the women on the Democratic side, gee, partisan, anyone? And none of the women on the Republican side chosen are anywhere near Helen Thomas' age ... they are all either younger and have flattering, smiling pictures.

No worse than many other jokes/pictures you've let slide with no comment.

RICHARD

06-01-2010, 02:13 PM

Helen Thomas has inner beauty. It's that loveable Pit Bull syndrome.:confused:;)

And I mean that in the way that she asks questions at a press conference.
---

Ann Coulter's Adam's Apple is a tad unsettling?

I dislike Malkin and Hassleback irks me.

Carrie Prejean is a beauty queen and Debbie Schlussel is way overdone makeup wise......

Medusa

06-01-2010, 02:21 PM

I'd give Janine a Turn er two?:D:eek::confused:

My son met her and he said she has the most beautiful, flawless complexion he's ever seen.

Lady's Human

06-01-2010, 04:02 PM

RICHARD

06-01-2010, 05:01 PM

In other news:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_doj_wmd_2

The DoJ is unprepared to handle a WMD attack.

What in hell are they going to do?

Subpoena the attackers?

Force them to testify in front of Congress?

Yep, I'm REALLY worried about what the Justice Department is going to do in case of a terrorist attack.:rolleyes:

LOL,

Because the BP fiasco is far away, They can make it look like they are interested...When the attack comes they will go hide in their bomb shelters and wait to see how many people they have to worry about afterwards.

Say it with me....Morons.

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I predict that by July 4th of this year there will be a 'gallon tax' on all gas sold in the country to fund the Supercleanup of the Gulf.

Lady's Human

06-01-2010, 05:38 PM

I predict that by July 4th of this year there will be a 'gallon tax' on all gas sold in the country to fund the Supercleanup of the Gulf.

Too late by a few days, Richard, they are already discussing it.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9FTDV7O1

It is an artful adjustment, though.

1)Tax all the big, bad oil companies (Read: Consumers) to pay money into a fund to fund cleanup.

2) When an oil company has a spill, fine them for the spill, regardless of whether they were following the rules or not (and trust me, there's no way for anyone to truly follow all the federal regulations on ANYTHING! If they want to fine you, they're going to)

3) Sit back an spend your oil spill money (read slush fund) on whatever the hell you want, as it is now general revenue, and the bad oil company (again, read Consumers, as in US) has paid for the spill cleanup through fines.

4) Lawyers on both sides get together after the court proceedings and laugh their collective rear ends off as they enjoy their slice of taxpayer money. You don't think they're doing this pro bono, do you?

RICHARD

06-01-2010, 05:41 PM

Too late by a few days, Richard, they are already discussing it.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9FTDV7O1

It is an artful adjustment, though.

1)Tax all the big, bad oil companies (Read: Consumers) to pay money into a fund to fund cleanup.

2) When an oil company has a spill, fine them for the spill, regardless of whether they were following the rules or not (and trust me, there's no way for anyone to truly follow all the federal regulations on ANYTHING! If they want to fine you, they're going to)

3) Sit back an spend your oil spill money (read slush fund) on whatever the hell you want, as it is now general revenue, and the bad oil company (again, read Consumers, as in US) has paid for the spill cleanup through fines.

4) Lawyers on both sides get together after the court proceedings and laugh their collective rear ends off as they enjoy their slice of taxpayer money. You don't think they're doing this pro bono, do you?

You deliberately kept the news from me.:confused: Where do you want me to send your winnings?

Is Pro Bono any relation to Sonny?:eek::mad::(

wombat2u2004

06-02-2010, 05:59 AM

My son met her and he said she has the most beautiful, flawless complexion he's ever seen.

That proves it. She's not from this planet. :p

Lady's Human

06-04-2010, 08:40 AM

In other more pressing news on the congressional agenda,

Rep. John Dingell, D, MI, has introduced a resolution to the house to pressure Bud Selig to award Galarraga a perfect game.

Don't ya think there are a few more pressing issues for Congress to be dealing with?

On the upside, though, while they're dealing with trivial fertilizer they can't screw up our lives.

RICHARD

06-04-2010, 10:29 AM

In other more pressing news on the congressional agenda,

Rep. John Dingell, D, MI, has introduced a resolution to the house to pressure Bud Selig to award Galarraga a perfect game.

So, If they do get this resolution passed, can we go back and change the results of the Raiders playoff games with Pittsburgh and New England?

Just asking.....:D

morons.

phesina

06-04-2010, 12:52 PM

RICHARD

06-07-2010, 11:23 AM

Helen Thomas has inner beauty. It's that loveable Pit Bull syndrome.:confused:;)

Well, I guess that shows why I absolutely have the WORST TASTE IN WOMEN.

Thanks, HELEN...:rolleyes:

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/06/helen-thomas-agency-dumps-her-as-client/?print=1

Lady's Human

06-07-2010, 03:28 PM

Buh Bye, Helen. It's only about 20 years too late at least, but she's finally been shown the door.

RICHARD

06-07-2010, 03:40 PM

Buh Bye, Helen. It's only about 20 years too late at least, but she's finally been shown the door.

You have some nerve to kick her while she's down.

Here let me hold her up for you.

It looks better to the people walking by.....;)

Lady's Human

06-07-2010, 03:47 PM

Thanks for the hand, Richard.

I knew I was doing something wrong. :p

RICHARD

06-07-2010, 03:58 PM

Thanks for the hand, Richard.

I knew I was doing something wrong. :p

Just looking out for you, bro.....:D

Lady's Human

06-07-2010, 05:23 PM

A day late and a dollar short:

From CNN:

The correspondents' association said it was going to hold a special meeting Thursday to review Thomas' permanently assigned front row seat in the White House briefing room -- as the controversy "does revive the issue of whether it is appropriate for an opinion columnist."

Shouldn't that discussion have taken place WHILE SHE WAS IN THE CHAIR?

Easy to do after the fact.

RICHARD

06-07-2010, 05:43 PM

Shouldn't that discussion have taken place WHILE SHE WAS IN THE CHAIR?

Easy to do after the fact.

They would have had to "work around the occupant" then.

Now they can pencil in some kind of party, potluck maybe? And discuss the next journalist for the spot.

I say put in a person with a Jewish nickname. Just to show some kind of solidarity?:eek::o:)

RICHARD

06-08-2010, 09:17 AM

LOLOLOL,

Gonna vote like any good citizen....

ANYONE BUT BOXER.....thought I'd take a page out of the Barack Obama voting manual..;)

Wheeeeee............

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Nancy,

Tuck tail and run.

The sound of your cloven hoofs is what most of the country wants to hear!:eek:

RICHARD

06-08-2010, 02:46 PM

DONE and DONE!

Dear Political Jesus,

You know what I want.

Amen.

RICHARD

06-09-2010, 10:09 PM

Another distraction for the prez.

I have to get my boyz to the white house for a beer!

Knucklehead.

RICHARD

06-10-2010, 09:22 AM

Maxine Waters is an idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRhBMGFmu5s

You really have to love someone that stupid.;)

RICHARD

06-14-2010, 08:54 AM

I had to laugh at this....

In the L.A. daily news a teacher wrote a letter to the editor about a child in her class that stood up and asked if he could use the word 'arse' in class now that the prez used it in an interview.

Lovely, simply lovely.:rolleyes::o

RICHARD

06-14-2010, 09:42 PM

I can forgive BO because he reverted to his "Umms" during a sitdown while visiting the Gulf!

Winner!

RICHARD

06-16-2010, 07:48 PM

A short spelling lesson:

1. The last four letters in "American" = I Can

2. The last four letters in "Republican" = I Can

3. The last four letters in "Democrats" = Rats

End of Lesson.

Test to follow in November.

November will be set aside as rodent extermination month.

!!!Lets do it!!!

lizbud

06-17-2010, 12:51 PM

Medusa

06-17-2010, 01:12 PM

What little news I was able to catch was definitely telling Obama to "Stop trashing Britain!". I was usually too tired by the time we got back to our hotel to watch news. I took a bath and went to bed. I did bring a newspaper home but I wanted to bring 3, the left, the right and the independent. I just was too rushed, unfortunately. One commentator did say "how dare Obama dictate what a company should do w/its money and whether or not bonuses should be paid". Right. I wonder if they'd feel that way if the situation were reversed.

blue

06-17-2010, 01:39 PM

He may be a clown, but he is a correct clown. This is an unConstitutional shakedown.

RICHARD

06-17-2010, 02:47 PM

Speaking of morons in Politics, check out this bozo..........

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/gop-rep-barton-i-apologize-to-bp-for-tragedy-of-obama-administrations-20-billion-shakedown.php?ref=tn

LOLOLOLOLOL,

20 billion for the gulf and the people who are losing thier houses because they cannot get a tier v passed in THEIR favor.

I have already wet myself, I am waiting for Number 2.

That should be interesting.:cool::mad::o:confused::eek::mad:

Lady's Human

06-17-2010, 03:31 PM

Speaking of morons in Politics, check out this bozo..........

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/gop-rep-barton-i-apologize-to-bp-for-tragedy-of-obama-administrations-20-billion-shakedown.php?ref=tn

Bozo? What Bozo. The Bozo is the one doing the shakedown.

Oil companies pay MMS a tax per barrel of oil which is supposed to be set aside (where have we heard that term before.....lockbox sound familiar?) for use in cleaning up spills.

They are already paying for spill cleanup.....now it's not enough, so the US Govt is going to "put their boot on the neck" of BP to correct Congressional errors?

I'd be investigating Congress to find out what they did with all the spill cleanup money they squandered.

Lady's Human

06-17-2010, 03:50 PM

http://www.uscg.mil/npfc/About_NPFC/osltf.asp

TO quote the above site:

Uses of the Fund

With the consolidation of these funds and the collection of a tax on the petroleum industry, the Fund increased to $1 billion. Fund uses were delineated by OPA to include:

* Removal costs incurred by the Coast Guard and EPA
* State access for removal activities;
* Payments to federal, state, and Indian tribe trustees to conduct natural resource damage assessments and restorations;
* Payment of claims for uncompensated removal costs and damages;
* Research and development; and
* Other specific appropriations.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 increased the maximum size of the Fund to $2.7 billion.

Given they know what Valdez has cost and will cost, I think Congress dropped the ball in not increasing the size of the "fund" beyond $2.7B........but wait.......there was no fund:

WALL STREET JOURNAL: “Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell Of Kentucky Said Tuesday That Democrats Were Raiding The Fund To Pay For Programs Not Related To Oil-Spill Cleanup. New Revenue Raised By The Levy ‘Ought To Be Used To Clean Up Spills,’ He Said.”

http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/06/10/democrats-to-raid-oil-spill-cleanup-fund-to-pay-for-pet-programs/

Never let a good crisis go to waste, especially if you can use it for a shakedown for your pet projects.

This gang of crooks has to go.

The lot of them.

lizbud

06-17-2010, 06:09 PM

Well, the bozo has already apologized for his first apology.:D Moron....

The only crooks I saw have already been replaced in the Federal agency
that allowed BP is set their own safety standards on drilling in deepwater.
They shouldn't be allowed to be the judge of how much damage is being
done by their own carelessness & greed.

From everything from how much crude is escaping from the broken well,
to how much damage has already been done, they have lowballed the
numbers. They cannot be trusted to get anything right.

Lady's Human

06-17-2010, 06:58 PM

BP has done what they were allowed to do.

CONGRESS has oversight. The Executive Branch has regulatory power through the Dept. of the Interior.

Whose fault is this?

Puckstop31

06-21-2010, 11:37 PM

It's almost like... I've said it before.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Borrowers-exit-troubled-Obama-apf-887634101.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=

When the government "stimulates" an economy with money that is not real (i.e. 'poofed' out of thin air) this kind of stuff happens.

Not my words or ideas. Economic NATURAL law.

I know.... Its all the evil bankers fault. :rolleyes:

Puckstop31

06-21-2010, 11:44 PM

BP has done what they were allowed to do.

CONGRESS has oversight. The Executive Branch has regulatory power through the Dept. of the Interior.

Whose fault is this?

Well, DUHHHHHHHH LH

George Bush. Republicans. "Anybody who thinks Obama is a loser wanna be despot."

Yeesh. How long you been here? :)

___

I can't help but go back to my belief in admitting an error is the greatest learning opportunity we get... And how the President is utterly incapable of doing so. Along with his brain dead acolytes.

RICHARD

06-22-2010, 01:06 AM

I am kinda hoping/wishing that the spill stops on it's own, that way everyone will stand there, fingers hidden in their underwear, trying to figure out what's going on.

I think that would be poetic justice.

Bonny

06-22-2010, 07:54 AM

If the oil flow stopped on its' own there would be millions of dollors spent on an investigation as to why, while everything else goes to hell in the gulf. That is how these idiots think.

RICHARD

06-22-2010, 09:11 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37839756/ns/us_news-military/?gt1=43001

Of course, you cannot bag on the boss.

But,
When the the boss wears many hats, especially an arsehat?

Go for it.

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There are wimps in the white house.

I even blame the groundskeepers.

Morons.

Lady's Human

06-22-2010, 09:35 PM

You cannot show the level of disrespect Gen. McChrystal did for the CinC and remain an effective commander.

Pres. Truman fired dugout doug, same deal, different war.

He had to go.

RICHARD

06-22-2010, 09:58 PM

You cannot show the level of disrespect Gen. McChrystal did for the CinC and remain an effective commander.

Pres. Truman fired dugout doug, same deal, different war.

He had to go.

Understood.

Edwina's Secretary

06-23-2010, 12:23 AM

How droll! The regressives are now blaming the oil disaster on not enough government!!!! I love it!

And the White House groundkeepers are morons????

A read of the interview in Rolling Stone is incredible. So many reasons this guy must go. Overwhelming arrogance, insulting our allies, a totally overblown sense of his own importance and intelligence, disrespect for his position and the system that employs him and....how stupid could he get....Rolling Stone - what Huffington Post wouldn't talk to him???

Did he self-destroy? Is he really that convinced of his own cleverness? The question of why he did the interview...why he chose Rolling Stone...why he thought he could get away with such disrespect and disregard for the responsibilities of his position are far more interesting questions.

Puckstop31

06-23-2010, 07:10 AM

There is no such thing as coincidence. Gen. McChrystal, I think, did this on purpose. He is 'falling on his sword' so to speak. It can't be an accident that he said these thing to Rolling Stone.

I read about super tight RoE over there now. I know from first hand experience what happens when stupid strict RoE is in effect. Body bags get filled and soldier morale plumments. WTF is the point of carrying your weapon if you cannot use it to do your job?

It's what happens when book 'smart' wanna be professors get the keys to the military.

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'Regressives'.... How cute that you belive that. What of the modern 'Progressive' agenda is a new idea? I seem to be able to find (failed) examples of the policies being pushed in examples of recent and not so recent, history. Hmmmm....

RICHARD

06-23-2010, 09:25 AM

There is no such thing as coincidence. Gen. McChrystal, I think, did this on purpose. He is 'falling on his sword' so to speak. It can't be an accident that he said these thing to Rolling Stone.

The worst thing to have happen to you is to work for a pinhead.

The second worst thing to have happen to you is to work for a pinhead that thinks they have all the answers.

Sometimes falling on a sword is the only option.

That shows you willingness to make a stand.

I do realize that you have to "respect the post, not the man", it's the pinhead option that scares me.

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Just saw this cartoon and thought, "how appropriate"!!

http://cst.rbma.com/content/Bizarro?date=20100623

lizbud

06-24-2010, 10:21 AM

RICHARD

06-24-2010, 11:15 AM

" Loose lips sink ships",they also sink Generals. If McC. coudn't get a plan
that he designed to work, than he should resign. He has shown the world that
he was a frustrated, undisiplined, loose canon & not fit to command.

Are you talking about the Navy?

If he was a loose cannon, he'd would have come out to the ranks of the arty boys.;)

McC is bound by the "rules of engagement" -no I'm not talking about a prenup..

I read that many of the troops were disgruntled that they were not allowed to "carry out the mission" they were tasked to do.

Like Col. Jessop said?

We sleep pretty darn good because we have guys like him on the wire.

Handle the truth?

LOL, I don't think any Illinois politico would know the truth if it came out of the woodwork and bit them on the earlobe.

Puckstop31

06-24-2010, 01:26 PM

McC is bound by the "rules of engagement" -no I'm not talking about a prenup..

I read that many of the troops were disgruntled that they were not allowed to "carry out the mission" they were tasked to do.

The worst thing about strict RoE is it causes hesitation. Soldiers often have to take an extra second or two when seconds mean life or death. Combat happens fast. You are quick or you are dead and the 2nd place guy goes home crippled or in a body bag.

Either we fight to WIN or we should go home. War is a ugly, dirty business. You don't win wars by playing nice. Our soldiers are among the very best in the world. We should be able to trust them to do the right thing. Because 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 they do.

RICHARD

06-24-2010, 01:41 PM

The worst thing about strict RoE is it causes hesitation. Soldiers often have to take an extra second or two when seconds mean life or death. Combat happens fast. You are quick or you are dead and the 2nd place guy goes home crippled or in a body bag.

Either we fight to WIN or we should go home. War is a ugly, dirty business. You don't win wars by playing nice. Our soldiers are among the very best in the world. We should be able to trust them to do the right thing. Because 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 they do.

This isn't a good comparison but it's like getting a pass down ice and trying to figure out where to put your shot.

You only get one chance and you have to take it.

You can tell how a 'business' is run by talking to the 'troops' and asking about the 'boss'.

Now? we have to wait and see.:(

Edwina's Secretary

06-24-2010, 05:44 PM

" Loose lips sink ships",they also sink Generals. If McC. coudn't get a plan
that he designed to work, than he should resign. He has shown the world that
he was a frustrated, undisiplined, loose canon & not fit to command.

Amen Liz! McC is the same guy involved in the coverup of Pat Tillman's death. Not a guy I would trust to behave in an honorable manner. He couldn't succeed with his plan so he puts Obama in a position that he has to relieve him of duty. Then he can say....if only Obama hadn't taken him out he would have been...etc...etc. Pass the blame.

After all...nothing is a coincident, right?

Puckstop31

06-24-2010, 06:18 PM

If that is the reason, which indeed it is a possibility... He should have a promising political career. LOL

Whatever the reason he had to go. It will be interesting to see how an at-heart warrior runs things... Or is allowed to run things. Will he be allowed to modify the RoE to something that will give the troops confidence they can do their job?

Truth. Nothing is a coincedence.

RICHARD

06-24-2010, 06:47 PM

What is a crazed sex poodle and exactly what breed is it?:eek::confused::(

blue

06-25-2010, 01:38 AM

Even after Tillman and NAMA base, McChrystal was Barry's choice to run the war in the Afghan sandbox. And Barry and the left wing loonies, sorry, Obama and the progressives get out the tar and feathers when McChrystal disses the French and says that Barry was intimidated by high ranking military officials? I agree with Puck, McChrystal knew what he was doing when he allowed the RS hack to follow him and his staff around. The only way Barry would have heard about it faster is if it was published in GOLF magazine.

Nobody is denying that McChrystal shouldnt have resigned his post for making his feelings known about how his CiC is handling the war, but do we really want him replaced by a guy who feinted during congressional questioning?

Tillman was killed by friendly fire. How many of our and our allies troops have been killed by progressive RoE? Like Barry and the left wing loo.... sorry, Obama and the progressives know anything about honor.

lizbud

06-25-2010, 08:38 AM

If McC fell on his sword, it was purely accidental. You can't walk right
with your foot in your mouth.:D:D

lizbud

06-25-2010, 08:42 AM

Whatever the reason he had to go. It will be interesting to see how an at-heart warrior runs things...

No need to wait & see. Did you miss the whole Iraq thing?

Puckstop31

06-25-2010, 08:52 AM

No need to wait & see. Did you miss the whole Iraq thing?

Wow. You are a military expert too eh?

But...

Yeah... The surge worked better than imagined. Its what happens when American soldiers are allowed to fight to WIN.

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Why are we making McCrystal's resignation/canning an arguement? We both agree he needed to go.

lizbud

06-25-2010, 11:14 AM

Nobody is denying that McChrystal shouldnt have resigned his post for making his feelings known about how his CiC is handling the war, but do we really want him replaced by a guy who feinted during congressional questioning?

It was probably Petraeus's chest full of metals that weighted him down.

lizbud

06-25-2010, 11:18 AM

Wow. You are a military expert too eh?

But...

Too???

LH is the only Military (expert?) man around here that I would trust to
speak from experience.

Puckstop31

06-25-2010, 12:45 PM

Too???

LH is the only Military (expert?) man around here that I would trust to
speak from experience.

OK.

But, FWIW... I served 12 years (5 active, 7 Guard) and have 3 combat deployments under my belt. I have been there and done that, so to speak.

Besides... LH was just a REMF. LOL ;) <poke, poke>

Edwina's Secretary

06-25-2010, 01:05 PM

If McC fell on his sword, it was purely accidental. You can't walk right
with your foot in your mouth.:D:D

:D:D:DSo funny!!!:D:D:D And so true. His foot in his mouth and his arms so busy patting himself on the back. I am sure the noses of his sycophants so far up his behind didn't help his balance either....

Although Liz...I must say you are far more trusting than I....;)

Grace

06-25-2010, 02:22 PM

For what it's worth, here (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/opinion/25brooks.html?hp) is an opinion piece by David Brooks about General McChrystal, and the current atmosphere in D.C.

Lady's Human

06-25-2010, 02:30 PM

OK.

But, FWIW... I served 12 years (5 active, 7 Guard) and have 3 combat deployments under my belt. I have been there and done that, so to speak.

Besides... LH was just a REMF. LOL ;) <poke, poke>

Better a REMF than a CDAT. How much of your junk works without us commo pukes?

Be polite though, leave the staff infection out of this.

Puckstop31

06-25-2010, 02:53 PM

Better a REMF than a CDAT. How much of your junk works without us commo pukes?

Be polite though, leave the staff infection out of this.

What? You don't like it when we blow the Charlie Box because we hooked a CD player up to the AUX? :) (Yeah, old school stuff. I speak SINGARS too. LOL)

OT - Does freq hopping REALLY ever work? I took a couple day SINGARS course and never could make it work right.

"I'm from the S-3 shop and I am here to help...." ;)

RICHARD

06-25-2010, 02:55 PM

It was probably Petraeus's chest full of metals that weighted him down.

All the "hardware" that the Gen wears is well earned.

He is not a Third World AH toy soldier that issues himself citations and medals.

At the least? He should be shown respect for his 'fruit salad' and hardware- each and every little pin/flag represents a story about what he has done to make the grade during his career.;)

Lady's Human

06-25-2010, 03:26 PM

What? You don't like it when we blow the Charlie Box because we hooked a CD player up to the AUX? :) (Yeah, old school stuff. I speak SINGARS too. LOL)

OT - Does freq hopping REALLY ever work? I took a couple day SINGARS course and never could make it work right.

"I'm from the S-3 shop and I am here to help...." ;)

Yeah, Freq hopping DOES work, just takes a good commo guy, treadheads who actually LISTEN to said commo guy, and about a week of practice to get it together.

I didn't just have a CD player hooked into the VIC in my track, it was set up to broadcast on the BN alternate net, and I had a massaged radio to do it with.

All's well and good until the freqs rotate and the BN alt net becomes the command net, and someone forgot to change settings on the 100+ watt toy riding in the back. :p Oopsie?

"I'm from the S-3 shop and I am here to help...." ;)

Nope, worse, I'm from the MAT (mobilization Assistance Team) and I'm here to help.

lizbud

06-25-2010, 06:17 PM

All the "hardware" that the Gen wears is well earned.

He is not a Third World AH toy soldier that issues himself citations and medals.

At the least? He should be shown respect for his 'fruit salad' and hardware- each and every little pin/flag represents a story about what he has done to make the grade during his career.;)

Hey, I'm a big fan of Petraeus.:) Was just responding to comment from
Blue about trusting a man who fainted while waiting to give testimony
before Congress. I think the guy is an amazing man. America is lucky to
have him. Check out what he did two days after chest surgery......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

He is a "thinking man's" soldier.:)

lizbud

06-25-2010, 06:30 PM

For what it's worth, here (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/opinion/25brooks.html?hp) is an opinion piece by David Brooks about General McChrystal, and the current atmosphere in D.C.

Seems to say it's the Reporter's fault that this turned into a big deal.
Sorry, McC should have know better. To utter the slams with a room full
of beer drinking buddies ,and a civilian Reporter, was a serious lapse in judgement.

Puckstop31

06-25-2010, 08:33 PM

Yeah, Freq hopping DOES work, just takes a good commo guy, treadheads who actually LISTEN to said commo guy, and about a week of practice to get it together.

What? You mean banging the handset on the turret roof is not the fix?

As for listening to the commo guy.... It depends on what we are doing. If we had a hot Table 7 run and the crew is feeling good about Table 8, no way in hell is commo guy getting in the tank. We would take the radio out to be worked on. LOL Mojo MATTERS.

I didn't just have a CD player hooked into the VIC in my track, it was set up to broadcast on the BN alternate net, and I had a massaged radio to do it with.

Never made it on a crew where I had to deal with the BN net. Which is cool. Gunning for the old man sucks. They never care about doing well, just get that 700.

All's well and good until the freqs rotate and the BN alt net becomes the command net, and someone forgot to change settings on the 100+ watt toy riding in the back. :p Oopsie?

That's where guys with silver thingys on their collars start screaming into handsets, right? Because that always helps. Panicked talk on the BN command net always ensures a favorful outcome. LOL

Nope, worse, I'm from the MAT (mobilization Assistance Team) and I'm here to help.

Touche'. Its fun to be taught how to do CQB by a bunch of supply guys. No lie. A Georgia NG BSB were our 'instructors' for my last Bosnia trip. It was, litterally, laughable. "Ummm, 'sir', I don't think sending the point man in to 'scout', by himself, is a good idea."

ETA - What's worse? MAT or dudes from Corps G-5? With PA people? ;)

Puckstop31

06-25-2010, 08:36 PM

Sorry, McC should have know better. To utter the slams with a room full
of beer drinking buddies ,and a civilian Reporter, was a serious lapse in judgement.

He HAD to know better. This could not be a lapse in judgement.... It was a calculated move. A General does not become a General by making "should have known better" mistakes like this. I mean, seriously, Rolling Stone?

The interesting part is the WHY?

Puckstop31

06-25-2010, 08:39 PM

Gen. Petraeus to, probably, modify the RoE.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/25/petraeus-modify-afghanistan-rules-engagement-source-says/

Lets hope this is true. Its a good start. Trust the boys to do what they do best.

And like I said.... Stupid strict RoE kills.

http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S1623848.shtml?cat=300

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ETA - Anyone else find it interesting that moveon.org has suddenly removed their "betray-us" ad? Has the left NO shame or honesty?

Edwina's Secretary

06-25-2010, 11:08 PM

All the "hardware" that the Gen wears is well earned.

He is not a Third World AH toy soldier that issues himself citations and medals.

At the least? He should be shown respect for his 'fruit salad' and hardware- each and every little pin/flag represents a story about what he has done to make the grade during his career.;)

How amusing.

At the least.

When you show President Obama the respect -
at the least - he deserves for having been elected by a majority of the voters of the United States of America you will have the right to suggest what...
at the least - anyone else deserves.

Try comparing the medals earned by...say Eisenhower - to the number of medals McC and other army guys wear today. Not far at all from the
Third World AH toy soldier that issues himself citations and medals Today they earn a medal for not soiling their pants it seems.

At the least indeed.

blue

06-25-2010, 11:13 PM

He HAD to know better. This could not be a lapse in judgement.... It was a calculated move. A General does not become a General by making "should have known better" mistakes like this. I mean, seriously, Rolling Stone?

The interesting part is the WHY?

Ild say it was good strategy on his part.

Gen. Petraeus to, probably, modify the RoE.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/25/petraeus-modify-afghanistan-rules-engagement-source-says/

Lets hope this is true. Its a good start. Trust the boys to do what they do best.

And like I said.... Stupid strict RoE kills.

http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S1623848.shtml?cat=300

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ETA - Anyone else find it interesting that moveon.org has suddenly removed their "betray-us" ad? Has the left NO shame or honesty?

Does the left, the progressives, and this administration even know the meaning of shame and honesty?

Lady's Human

06-25-2010, 11:24 PM

Today they earn a medal for not soiling their pants it seems.

At the least indeed.

Take the insults elsewhere, ES.

Yep, I have four rows of awards for not soiling my pants.

What ignorant rubbish.

blue

06-25-2010, 11:30 PM

Take the insults elsewhere, ES.

Yep, I have four rows of awards for not soiling my pants.

What ignorant rubbish.

Just relax there LH.

Her idea of remembering our soldiers is by reading their obituaries every sunday, after all its the least she can do.

RICHARD

06-25-2010, 11:39 PM

Hey, I'm a big fan of Petraeus.:) Was just responding to comment from
Blue about trusting a man who fainted while waiting to give testimony
before Congress. I think the guy is an amazing man. America is lucky to
have him. Check out what he did two days after chest surgery......

Chuck Norris would have done HIS OWN surgery.;)

Puckstop31

06-26-2010, 07:12 AM

Take the insults elsewhere, ES.

Yep, I have four rows of awards for not soiling my pants.

What ignorant rubbish.

Don't feed the trolls dude. ;)

Example: From his official pic I see a MSM w/ 2 bronze clusters. A Bronze Star w/ v device. A Master Parachutist badge. And most of all... A Ranger tab.

So, ignorant rubbish indeed. Sunlight is the best disenfectant, eh?

RICHARD

06-26-2010, 08:24 AM

Don't feed the trolls dude. ;)

Example: From his official pic I see a MSM w/ 2 bronze clusters. A Bronze Star w/ v device. A Master Parachutist badge. And most of all... A Ranger tab.

So, ignorant rubbish indeed. Sunlight is the best disenfectant, eh?

If you stare into the sun, it works faster?:cool::o;)

Lady's Human

06-26-2010, 08:29 AM

Those piles of ribbons weren't worn by Ike because a) they didn't exist at the time, and b) the uniform regs were somewhat different.

Now, it's nearly a requirement to wear every award you've been given. Then, they were for the most part optional.

Go ahead, show up for a greens inspection not wearing an award your CSM knows you have.

Also, Ike, for all his prowess as an organizer, wasn't a particular standout until his skills came to the fore during the planning to take back Europe. He was largely a political General.

Patton, on the other hand....

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/ensignjeremylister/ffcfe803.jpg

Yeah, he had a lot of awards for not soiling his pants as well.

RICHARD

06-26-2010, 08:35 AM

Patton, on the other hand....

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/ensignjeremylister/ffcfe803.jpg

Yeah, he had a lot of awards for not soiling his pants as well.

I would have like to have seen him walk thru a doorway and not get his sashes hooked on a doorknob?

He would have kicked that door's arse.

But, Chuck Norris would have knocked the whole house down.

Edwina's Secretary

06-26-2010, 01:46 PM

Respect is a "goes around, comes around" thing.

People who do not think being the President of the United States - elected by a majority - deserves respect should not be surprised by disrepect.

If you think it is okay to disrepect the position of those you don't like it gives permission for others to express disrepect as well.

Lady's Human

06-26-2010, 02:43 PM

And this from the woman who is so concerned about the troops she spend Sunday morning reading obits. :rolleyes:

Because you have an issue with someone it's okay to disrespect millions upon millions of servicemembers?

Here's a buck.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/math/money/gifs/dollarfrontcolor216x91.GIF

Go buy yourself a clue.

RICHARD

06-26-2010, 02:46 PM

Here's a buck.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/math/money/gifs/dollarfrontcolor216x91.GIF

Go buy yourself a clue.

Target-

Three for two dollars?

;)

lizbud

06-26-2010, 05:30 PM

Chuck Norris would have done HIS OWN surgery.;)

Forgot to give the link on Petraeus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

And to think he might not have been alive if this soldier's gun had found
a better target.

RICHARD

06-26-2010, 08:14 PM

Forgot to give the link on Petraeus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

And to think he might not have been alive if this soldier's gun had found
a better target.

Chuck Norris would have taught the recruit how to use his rifle, then instructed said recruit on the care of his weapon, policed the used brass from the area, driven himself to the hospital after stopping to change his uniform and have a beer with boys.

Then he would have operated on himself....

I can barely get out of bed in the morning and he's doing pushups two days after being shot?
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About DP breaking his pelvis?

CN would have pushed the Earth out of orbit when he hit.:eek::o;)

blue

06-27-2010, 04:32 AM

Go buy yourself a clue.

She might also try

sudo apt-get -y install a-clue

Sorry for the bad joke, Im up late and feeling geeky.

Bonny

06-27-2010, 09:23 AM

Bravery, Courage, & Dignity seem to have lost their meaning in other places of the world but in mine it is alive & well. The other day Christopher Opat came home in a coffin. The streets of his home town were lined with over 2000 people coming together to pay him honor. Our governor ordered our countrys flag to be flown at half mast that day. The representative sent by the military was in tears because he had never seen so many people turn out for a military funeral before. I heard a song played in memory of Christopher on our local country western station where at noon before the news the Star Spangled Banner is still played. Bravery, Courage, & Dignity are still alive in my part of the world. THANK GOD!:)

RICHARD

06-27-2010, 01:23 PM

Bravery, Courage, & Dignity are still alive in my part of the world. THANK GOD!:)

I think you forgot Humility.

I am sure that each and every service person would blush at all the attention they receive when they finally come home.:(

lizbud

06-27-2010, 04:55 PM

RICHARD

06-27-2010, 04:57 PM

I saw a story with the lead line of "Rush gets star on walk of fame" so
I worked up a rant and clicked on the story........... It was about the band
Rush, not the big fat moron.:D A perfectly good rant gone to waste.:D

WTF, do have against one of the ALL TIME GREATEST ROCK BANDS?;)

Easy, Turbo.....

:eek:

I do that often and I blame it on lazy editors.:confused:

Grace

06-27-2010, 05:41 PM

Would you like to be nominated?

From Wikpedia -

Each year, an average of 200 nominations are submitted to the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce Walk of Fame Selection Committee. Anyone, including fans, can nominate anyone active in the field of entertainment, as long as the nominee or his or her management is in agreement with the nomination. (A letter of agreement from the nominated celebrity or representative must accompany the application.) Nominees must have a minimum of 5 years' experience in the category for which they are nominated. Posthumous nominees must be deceased at least 5 years. At a meeting each June, the Committee selects approximately 20 celebrities to receive stars on the Walk of Fame during the following year. One posthumous award is given each year as well. The nominations of those not selected are "rolled over" to the following year for reconsideration; those not selected two years in a row are dropped, and must be renominated to receive further consideration. Living recipients must agree to personally attend a presentation ceremony within five years of selection. A relative of deceased recipients must attend posthumous presentations. Presentation ceremonies are open to the public.

A fee (currently USD $25,000), payable at time of selection, is collected to pay for the creation and installation of the star, as well as general maintenance of the Walk of Fame. The fee is usually paid by the nominating organization, which may be a fan club, or a film studio, record company, broadcaster, or other sponsor involved with the honoree's current or ongoing project. The Starz cable network, for example, paid for Dennis Hopper's star as part of the promotion for its series Crash. It was unveiled in March 2010, shortly before his death.

Traditionally, the identities of members of the Selection Committee have not been made public in order to minimize conflicts of interest, and to prevent lobbying of committee members by celebrities and their representatives (which was a significant problem during selection of the original 1550 recipients in the late 1950s). However, in 1999, to answer growing charges of "back room politics" in the selection process, the Chamber disclosed the members' names: They were Johnny Grant, who chaired the Committee and represented the television category; Earl Lestz, president of Paramount Studio Group (motion pictures); Stan Spero, retired manager with broadcast stations KMPC and KABC (radio); Kate Nelson, owner of the Palace Theatre (live performance); and Mary Lou Dudas, vice president of A&M Records (recording industry).

After that disclosure, however, the veil of secrecy was restored; subsequently, the Chamber would say only that Lestz (who received his own star in 2004) became the Committee's chairman after Grant died in 2008, and that "each of the five categories is represented by someone with expertise in that field."

As of June 2010, Lestz had apparently been replaced as chairman by John Pavlik, former Director of Communications for the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. While no public announcement was made to that effect, he was identified as chairman in the Chamber's press release announcing the 2011 star recipients.

lizbud

06-29-2010, 07:13 PM

Interesting Washingto Post article I read the other day. Something to
think about.

Endless war, a recipe for four-star arrogance

By Andrew J. Bacevich
Sunday, June 27, 2010

Long wars are antithetical to democracy. Protracted conflict introduces toxins that inexorably corrode the values of popular government. Not least among those values is a code of military conduct that honors the principle of civilian control while keeping the officer corps free from the taint of politics. Events of the past week -- notably the Rolling Stone profile that led to Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal's dismissal -- hint at the toll that nearly a decade of continuous conflict has exacted on the U.S. armed forces. The fate of any one general qualifies as small beer: Wearing four stars does not signify indispensability. But indications that the military's professional ethic is eroding, evident in the disrespect for senior civilians expressed by McChrystal and his inner circle, should set off alarms.

Earlier generations of American leaders, military as well as civilian, instinctively understood the danger posed by long wars. "A democracy cannot fight a Seven Years War," Gen. George C. Marshall once remarked. The people who provided the lifeblood of the citizen army raised to wage World War II had plenty of determination but limited patience. They wanted victory won and normalcy restored.

The wisdom of Marshall's axiom soon became clear. In Vietnam, Lyndon B. Johnson plunged the United States into what became its Seven Years War. The citizen army that was sent to Southeast Asia fought valiantly for a time and then fell to pieces. As the conflict dragged on, Americans in large numbers turned against the war -- and also against the troops who fought it.

After Vietnam, the United States abandoned its citizen army tradition, oblivious to the consequences. In its place, it opted for what the Founders once called a "standing army" -- a force consisting of long-serving career professionals.

For a time, the creation of this so-called all-volunteer force, only tenuously linked to American society, appeared to be a master stroke. Washington got superbly trained soldiers and Republicans and Democrats took turns putting them to work. The result, once the Cold War ended, was greater willingness to intervene abroad. As Americans followed news reports of U.S. troops going into action everywhere from the Persian Gulf to the Balkans, from the Caribbean to the Horn of Africa, they found little to complain about: The costs appeared negligible. Their role was simply to cheer.

This happy arrangement now shows signs of unraveling, a victim of what the Pentagon has all too appropriately been calling its Long War.

The Long War is not America's war. It belongs exclusively to "the troops," lashed to a treadmill that finds soldiers and Marines either serving in a combat zone or preparing to deploy.

To be an American soldier today is to serve a people who find nothing amiss in the prospect of armed conflict without end. Once begun, wars continue, persisting regardless of whether they receive public support. President Obama's insistence to the contrary notwithstanding, this nation is not even remotely "at" war. In explaining his decision to change commanders without changing course in Afghanistan, the president offered this rhetorical flourish: "Americans don't flinch in the face of difficult truths." In fact, when it comes to war, the American people avert their eyes from difficult truths. Largely unaffected by events in Afghanistan and Iraq and preoccupied with problems much closer to home, they have demonstrated a fine ability to tune out war. Soldiers (and their families) are left holding the bag.

Throughout history, circumstances such as these have bred praetorianism, warriors becoming enamored with their moral superiority and impatient with the failings of those they are charged to defend. The smug disdain for high-ranking civilians casually expressed by McChrystal and his chief lieutenants -- along with the conviction that "Team America," as these officers style themselves, was bravely holding out against a sea of stupidity and corruption -- suggests that the officer corps of the United States is not immune to this affliction.

To imagine that replacing McChrystal with Gen. David H. Petraeus will fix the problem is wishful thinking. To put it mildly, Petraeus is no simple soldier. He is a highly skilled political operator, whose name appears on Republican wish lists as a potential presidential candidate in 2012. Far more significant, the views cultivated within Team America are shared elsewhere.

The day the McChrystal story broke, an active-duty soldier who has served multiple combat tours offered me his perspective on the unfolding spectacle. The dismissive attitude expressed by Team America, he wrote, "has really become a pandemic in the Army." Among his peers, a belief that "it is OK to condescend to civilian leaders" has become common, ranking officers permitting or even endorsing "a culture of contempt" for those not in uniform. Once the previously forbidden becomes acceptable, it soon becomes the norm.

"Pretty soon you have an entire organization believing that their leader is the 'Savior' and that everyone else is stupid and incompetent, or not committed to victory." In this soldier's view, things are likely to get worse before they get better. "Senior officers who condone this kind of behavior and allow this to continue and fester," he concluded, "create generation after generation of officers like themselves -- but they're generally so arrogant that they think everyone needs to be just like them anyway."

By itself, Team America poses no threat to the constitutional order. Gen. McChrystal is not Gen. MacArthur. When presenting himself at the White House on Wednesday, McChrystal arrived not as a man on horseback but as a supplicant, hat (and resignation) in hand. Still, even with his departure, it would be a mistake to consider the matter closed.

During Vietnam, the United States military cracked from the bottom up. The damage took decades to repair. In the seemingly endless wars of the post-Sept. 11 era, a military that has demonstrated remarkable durability now shows signs of coming undone at the top. The officer corps is losing its bearings.

Americans might do well to contemplate a famous warning issued by another frustrated commander from a much earlier age.

"We had been told, on leaving our native soil," wrote the centurion Marcus Flavius to a cousin back in Rome, "that we were going to defend the sacred rights conferred on us by so many of our citizens [and to aid] populations in need of our assistance and our civilization." For such a cause, he and his comrades had willingly offered to "shed our quota of blood, to sacrifice our youth and our hopes." Yet the news from the homeland was disconcerting: The capital was seemingly rife with factions, treachery and petty politics. "Make haste," Marcus Flavius continued, "and tell me that our fellow citizens understand us, support us and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the empire."

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware of the anger of the legions!"

Stanley McChrystal is no Marcus Flavius, lacking the Roman's eloquence, among other things. Yet in ending his military career on such an ignominious note, he has, however clumsily, issued a warning that deserves our attention.

The responsibility facing the American people is clear. They need to reclaim ownership of their army. They need to give their soldiers respite, by insisting that Washington abandon its de facto policy of perpetual war. Or, alternatively, the United States should become a nation truly "at" war, with all that implies in terms of civic obligation, fiscal policies and domestic priorities. Should the people choose neither course -- and thereby subject their troops to continuing abuse -- the damage to the army and to American democracy will be severe.

Andrew J. Bacevich is a professor of history and international relations at Boston University. His book "Washington Rules: America's Path to Permanent War" will be published in August. He will be online at 11 a.m. on Monday, June 28, to chat. Submit your questions and comments before or during the discussion.

Bonny

06-29-2010, 08:51 PM

That read is a big eye opener. My thought is someday this country will fall like the Roman Empire. What about the United Nations? That is not mentioned in there. Aren't there war rules our military & every other country that belongs to the United Nations have to follow? Isn't that what happened in Viet Nam? It has been a long time but was the United Nations put together to promote world peace? Just some questions I need answered. Jump in someone that knows world history.:confused:

Grace

06-29-2010, 09:21 PM

I read that in the Post. Excellent article.

Puckstop31

06-29-2010, 10:32 PM

That read is a big eye opener. My thought is someday this country will fall like the Roman Empire.

Indeed. We are 50-51 B.C. in a nutshell. The end of the Roman Republic. The begining of the Roman Dictatorship.

Do not take my word for it. Research it yourself. Look at the fiscal policy. Look at the foreign policy.

Like I have said before... Nothing is new. Nothing is 'progressive'. History repeats itself because we allow ourselves to become utterly ignorant of it.

Or, you can just post a link and cheer.

What about the United Nations? That is not mentioned in there. Aren't there war rules our military & every other country that belongs to the United Nations have to follow? Isn't that what happened in Viet Nam? It has been a long time but was the United Nations put together to promote world peace? Just some questions I need answered. Jump in someone that knows world history.:confused:

Again.... History repeats itself. The Leauge of Nations was a utter failure. Why? The UN is nothing but worse. WHY?

Rules and laws only apply to the law abiding. Its the same forthe world as it is for the US. Make all the worthless laws you want. If we are unwilling to enforce them, whats their worth?

Like I say all the time... Failure/unlawfulness MUST equal consequence. But no, we make excuses and coddle. Look at the situation in Iran. "Ok, we will give you chance # 1,284,405. But the NEXT time....."

:rolleyes:

Don't take my word for it. Do your own research.

Puckstop31

06-29-2010, 10:39 PM

As for the 'excellent' article.....

Who was it that said.... "Fight to WIN or go home."

I would dare any of you to ask my father about why we 'lost' in Vietnam. Either America has the guts to WIN or we don't. The losers of the world will always bitch about how the winners, won. 999,999 out of 1,000,000 our troops do the right thing. Yet, they still lose. WHY?

Because of politicians who are cowards and because of the self-righteous, history ignorant cowards who support them.

Before any of you lecture me... Be prepared to tell me why it was OK for me to bury a friend for nothing... When he could have lived, if only he was allowed to do what soldiers are trained to do.

The word 'coward', pretty much sums it up. "Do the right thing, even when its not popular."

Bonny

06-30-2010, 08:21 AM

Grace

06-30-2010, 09:54 AM

The Viet Nam War was lost because of the politicans back home here. You either let the military fight like they need to (& there will be civilian causalities) there always is. Kill or be killed! The Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan. There is a message right there. :mad: We should send these stupid politicans over to fight & follow their stupid laws & rules along with a bunch of lawyers too. :mad:

Don't forget, it is the politicians and their flights of fancy that get us into most of these so-called wars in the first place. I do agree with you - send THEM over and see how fast we have no more conflicts.

lizbud

06-30-2010, 01:11 PM

Grace, yes I had never thought about the differences that a standing
army presents.

All I know is "this ain't your daddy's war" anymore & today's conflicts
are not "all out war" with uniformed foreign troops. The COIN thing requires
a different skill set than older "tradional" wars.

Puckstop31

06-30-2010, 03:53 PM

COIN (or 'asymmetrical warfare' as it is also known) does indeed require additional skill sets. There will always be the need to fight and win kinetic engagements.

Further, our military, after a learning curve, now has the skills to win in asymmetrical environments. Its still a shame that we deploy them, only to not let them win.

The common factor in US failures in modern asymmetrical conflict is the lack of political will to let our best men and women do what they are trained to do. Once the decision is made to send them, don't tie their hands because your poll numbers might take a hit. Because more than anything else, America loves a winner. A fine example was the engagement at Tora Bora. We had, supposedly, OBL surrounded. But our politicians (in this case, the hated GWB) wanted to look like a 'team' player and wait for (unreliable at best) Afghan forces to get to the battlefield. In battle, when you have the enemy on the ropes, you stomp on him.

Bonny

06-30-2010, 04:13 PM

What about the safety of your men/women? I have nephew that trains higher ups on survival skills & has been to Iraq. I guess some of the higher ups are so above him & everyone else he FLUNKS them & they have to take the training course over again. Can you imagine having to serve under someone that has your safety in his hands & he/she is so arrogant they care about only what looks good to & for them. :eek:

RICHARD

06-30-2010, 04:15 PM

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/06/army_green_ammo_062310w/

Bonny

06-30-2010, 04:47 PM

What Next? Maybe our troops will have to start loading their own shells. Load Shell, Shoot, Load Shell, Shoot, Load Shell, Shoot. Bulls Eye-Dead Terrorist.

Puckstop31

07-01-2010, 10:56 PM

"Unemployment compensation is a job creating mechanism."

http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-unemployment-checks-fastest-way-to-create-jobs/

Any of you lefties got a defence for this typically brain dead Pelosi comment?

PUH-LEASE explain to me how unemployment compensation CREATES Private sector jobs?

Edwina's Secretary

07-01-2010, 11:31 PM

Interesting Washingto Post article I read the other day. Something to
think about.

Endless war, a recipe for four-star arrogance

Having finally had time to read the complete Rolling Stone interview of McC...this guy has been practicing hubris, arrogance, frat boy immaturity, and downright disgusting behavior since at least his term at West Point.

The question is...does the system create the behavior* or the behavior* create the system?

*Self-edited

RICHARD

07-01-2010, 11:56 PM

Did I mention I messed my pants earlier?:confused::o;)

lizbud

07-02-2010, 09:14 AM

Did I mention I messed my pants earlier?:confused::o;)

One word Richard.......... Depends :D

lizbud

07-02-2010, 09:17 AM

Having finally had time to read the complete Rolling Stone interview of McC...this guy has been practicing hubris, arrogance, frat boy immaturity, and downright disgusting behavior since at least his term at West Point.

The question is...does the system create the behavior* or the behavior* create the system?

*Self-edited

McC 's history at West Point describes "take to the limit", "bad boy"
behavior as a cadet. Maybe it's part of who he is?

Edwina's Secretary

07-02-2010, 12:29 PM

McC 's history at West Point describes "take to the limit", "bad boy"
behavior as a cadet. Maybe it's part of who he is?

And how is that behavior accepted and promoted? I see it often in business as well. Someone who is very smart and capable but an incredible jerk and bully. The longer they get away with it the more pronounced the behavior becomes until finally they bump up against the person who will finally say...enough.

Grace

07-02-2010, 09:59 PM

And then there is Michael Steele, Chairman of the Republican National Committee -

Well, if he's (referring to President Obama) such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that's the one thing you don't do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right, because everyone who has tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed. And there are reasons for that. There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan."

Guess he forgot (conveniently) that is was George W. Bush who started the war in Afghanistan.

blue

07-02-2010, 10:19 PM

Guess he forgot (conveniently) that is was George W. Bush who started the war in Afghanistan.

There is nothing in the quote you posted that shows he forgot who started the war. Nice try.

I guess Barry isnt all that much smarter the ShrubCo after all.

Since you didnt post the link that the quote came how can we judge the context?

Grace

07-02-2010, 10:35 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/02/AR2010070204096.html?hpid=topnews

RNC's Steele backtracks after Afghan war remarks

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 2, 2010; 5:58 PM

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael S. Steele is trying to quell controversy over his comments that the war in Afghanistan was of "Obama's choosing" and his suggestion that it may not be winnable, remarks that put him at odds with much of his party.

On Friday, after a video surfaced of Steele's remarks at a Connecticut fundraiser the night before, some conservatives fumed and Democrats pounced.

A spokesman for Steele quickly issued a statement clarifying that the chairman supports the troops, and Steele himself soon followed up by saying that "for the sake of the security of the free world, our country must give our troops the support necessary to win this war."

Steele's tenure at the helm of the RNC has been marked by controversies, including over his criticism of -- and subsequent apology to -- Rush Limbaugh and the committee's spending money at a bondage-themed nightclub in California to entertain donors.

But his war remarks were a rare instance in which Steele articulated views on a key policy issue that differed from the party line. Most Republican members of Congress strongly supported President George W. Bush's decision to start the war in Afghanistan in 2001 and have backed funding and troop increases there, even as many Democrats have cast doubt on the war policy.

On the video, Steele is seen saying of Obama: "It was the president who was trying to be cute by half by flipping a script demonizing Iraq, while saying the battle really should be in Afghanistan. Well, if he's such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that's the one thing you don't do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right, because everyone who has tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed. And there are reasons for that. There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan."

In a piece on his magazine's Web site, William Kristol, editor of the conservative magazine the Weekly Standard, wrote: "There are, of course, those who think we should pull out of Afghanistan, and they're certainly entitled to make their case. But one of them shouldn't be the chairman of the Republican party."

"The war in Afghanistan was not 'a war of Obama's choosing,' " he added. "It has been prosecuted by the United States under Presidents Bush and Obama. Republicans have consistently supported the effort."

Democrats gleefully circulated both video of Steele's remarks and the criticism from Kristol.

"Michael Steele would do well to remember that we are not in Afghanistan by our own choosing, that we were attacked and his words have consequences," said Brad Woodhouse, the Democratic National Committee spokesman.

Erick Erickson, who runs the influential conservative blog Red State said: "Michael Steele must resign. He has lost all moral authority to lead the GOP."

Former South Carolina GOP chair Katon Dawson, who finished second to Steele in the race for the chairman's post early last year, said Steele should now be ousted, CNN reported. Dawson is a frequent critic of Steele but has not until now called for him to resign.

"The RNC should do the responsible thing and show Steele the door," Dawson told CNN. "Enough is enough."

No prominent conservative lawmaker or member of the RNC has called for Steele's resignation. The former Maryland lieutenant governor is one of the most prominent African- Americans in the GOP, and Republicans have seen major electoral success since he became chairman.

Grace

07-02-2010, 10:42 PM

FOX NEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/02/christian-whiton-michael-steele-resign-afghanistan-obama-war-rnc-dnc-november/)

Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704699604575343260099630830.html?m od=googlenews_wsj)

More from FOX NEWS (http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/02/violating-the-political-golden-rule/)

blue

07-02-2010, 10:54 PM

Now was that really that difficult?

blue

07-03-2010, 12:21 AM

IF the Democrats want Steele gone, and the RNC want Steele gone, I want him to stay. If the DNC and RNC agree on anything it cant be good for anybody who believes in the United States of America our Founders believed in. Steele staying in charge until Jan. will drive Constitutionalists away from the RNC in the coming elections, possibly bleeding out the politicians that are all about politics as usual and getting new blood and new life into our political system.

That type of new blood and new life into our political system scares the bejebus out of progressives, D and R, who want politics to continue "as usual".

lizbud

07-03-2010, 10:19 AM

blue

07-03-2010, 11:25 AM

Yeah, blah,blah,blah. Why don't you address the point of the article?
Steele said "The war in Afganistan was a war of Obama's choosing".

Because I dont care if he did or didnt. What matters is it unites the progressives, both R and D, in a tizzy of bunched up panties. So why dont you unbunch, and tell me why I should care.

Bonny

07-03-2010, 11:26 AM

There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan's

Do you think if I make some cookies & Lemonade & offered it to the Afghanistan's that would be a start. :D

lizbud

07-03-2010, 11:38 AM

Because I dont care if he did or didnt. What matters is it unites the progressives, both R and D, in a tizzy of bunched up panties. So why dont you unbunch, and tell me why I should care.

If you don't care, why are you posting about it? Did you just miss us
"progressives" blue? Come on, be honest....:p

blue

07-03-2010, 11:43 AM

If you don't care, why are you posting about it? Did you just miss us
"progressives" blue? Come on, be honest....:p

I believe I explained why I posted about it. Because it gets the progressives all worked up, and that amuses me. The articles and blogs are nothing but a distraction for how bad Barry is bungling his presidency.

lizbud

07-03-2010, 08:04 PM

Found this interesting article that has a quiz to judge if you are
progressive or conservative in your thinking.

Jul 01, 2010
Defining ‘progressive’ in politics

The word "progressive" is thrown around a lot in Washington, sometimes as a less politically charged replacement for "liberal." But a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds that a majority of Americans are not sure what, exactly, the term means and whether or not it applies to them.

Asked whether the term progressive "describes your own political views," 12% said "yes," 31% said "no," and 54% said they are unsure. Six in 10 Democrats and 57% of people who described themselves as liberal said they are unsure if the "progressive" label is right for them.

Also interesting, many respondents who describe themselves as progressive oppose some of the same measures that, say, the Congressional Progressive Caucus – which is made up of Democrats – supports. For instance, 24% of those who call themselves progressive say they would oppose more government regulation of major financial institutions. More than one in three say that, "the government is trying to do too many things that should be left to individuals and businesses."

Webster's New World College Dictionary includes about a dozen definitions for the word "progressive," including "moving forward or onward" and "continuing by successive steps." That leaves plenty of room for people to define themselves as "progressive conservatives," which, by the way, is the name of a political party in Canada.

The upper-case "Progressive" is defined as "a member of a Progressive Party," which this dictionary says is synonymous with "liberal."

The Washington-based Center for American Progress, which describes itself as being "dedicated to improving the lives of Americans through progressive ideas and action," takes one stab at a definition through this 40-question online quiz that purports to define participants as "progressive" or "conservative."

The poll was conducted June 11-15 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Take the quiz......http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/03/progressive_quiz.html..

RICHARD

07-03-2010, 08:31 PM

Send Brock Lesner to Afghanistan.

blue

07-03-2010, 08:51 PM

Take the quiz......http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/03/progressive_quiz.html..

So how did you score?

100/400 here.