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RICHARD

09-29-2009, 12:49 AM

Using Fox news to make it OK to call minorities racist, and then implying that Fox news is biased. Is that the pot calling the kettle black?

I flip the channels and I 'watch' a little of the stuff that I do not normally pay attention to.

There are some people, newsreaders, news programs and channels who have pushed the idea that BO's popularity decline is part of a racist ideal in the country.:rolleyes:

I heard an audio clip of a internet talk show where Adam Carrola and John Salley -the former a TV/radio show host and Salley a former pro basketball player- were discussing politics.

Salley asked Carrola "Why do white people hate BO now?" Apparently JS heard the hens on The View talking about BO's falling approval numbers and it angered him leading him to the assumption that all of "white America" hates the prez.

It has nothing to do with white, black or anything like that.....

IT's all a matter of politicians talking smack, getting elected and being called out about what they promised to us then and what they have delivered up to now.

Instead of staying at home, closing Gitmo, sending/bringing home troops, working on a HCR bill or battling racism at home, BO is out trying to get his home town the Olympics in '16-

LOL, Oh, I may be a racist because I want my president to stick around the house and work, not travel all around the planet, tape five segments for Sunday talk shows on 'company' time, fly around the country selling out the people that elected him to lead the country, not ignore it and sell it out by apologizing to every country for us being jerks.

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I was listening to Rachel Madcow and two times in the last few days she
has been touting ACORN and what the wonderful work they have done. (Tonight's show was -The Rachel Maddow Show investigates the truth about the lies about ACORN). Of course, they might have done something good in all the time that they have been around, but I think the idea of giving 'pimps and prostitutes' loans for houses and excuses for importing 13 year old hookers is a little beyond belief. So what are the lies?

When are we going to get the story from the people who worked the offices and offered people ideas on how to dodge any scrutiny by the feds or local police?:confused:;)

I am waiting for the 'racism' angle in the case of the ACORN tapes. Really.

RICHARD

09-29-2009, 12:53 AM

http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/opinion/article_75dcf3ec-aa2e-11de-a245-001cc4c002e0.html

katladyd

09-29-2009, 01:14 AM

I have to agree with you, Richard. Iran fires long-range missiles, we have a crisis in Afghanistan, and where is our dear prez? He's worried about getting the Olympics in Chicago! Now, I know he's from there, but geez! I thought he was the entire country's president, not just Chicago's. I guess he doesn't care what happens to our soldiers, does he? I didn't vote for the guy, but I was more than willing to give him a chance. He's getting about a D- in my book.:(

phesina

09-29-2009, 05:15 AM

Hokay, let's put Biden in insead.

It's an old chestnut; just fill in the name of your choice.

Edwina's Secretary

09-29-2009, 11:55 AM

Calling Fox fixed is calling the faked news Fox!

I am not happy that Obama is going to Denmark. I rather hope Chicago does not get the Olympics (as I hope to be back living there by then!) My concern is that if he goes and does not get it for Chicago - the Haters will have something else to be snarky about.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Randi

09-29-2009, 12:04 PM

Well Sara, I know for sure that Michelle Obama is coming on friday and I can't wait to see it on TV. I do hope Barack Obama will come too. They will be SO welcome! I'm sure at least 95 % of Danes is happy with your new President - just think of the alternative! :eek:

Although you may be in Chicago in 2016, you'll survive it! :D

RICHARD

09-29-2009, 12:18 PM

I have to agree with you, Richard. Iran fires long-range missiles, we have a crisis in Afghanistan, and where is our dear prez? He's worried about getting the Olympics in Chicago! Now, I know he's from there, but geez! I thought he was the entire country's president, not just Chicago's.

Actually?

The country runs far more efficiently when he is out of the country.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7715016.stm

I tried to find this story on MSNBC's site and got nothing under 'Obama, tan" but got a hit on the AOL website. HMM, is that racism?;)

Indeed, god will save us from imbeciles!

Edwina's Secretary

09-29-2009, 04:22 PM

Like I said...the haters keep looking for reason to justify their hate...

And they do hate...don't they?

Wonder why?????

lizbud

09-29-2009, 04:49 PM

The President's personal polling numbers have always been high. They
still are.:)

I can understand, the bad economy, two unpaid for wars going on, failed
Auto companies, and people losing their life savings, would tend to make
people scared & upset. Who was watching the store the last eight years?

Obama is getting all the anger directed his way.

Edwina's Secretary

09-29-2009, 05:03 PM

You know Liz...it is hard to counter irrational hate. Some people do not care what he has done, what he is trying to do or what others failed to do.

All they know is they hate him. He is a marxist, communist, socialist, nazi, moron, imbecile and well...you know.

That he was elected by a majority (unlike GWB in 1980) is irrelevant to the Haters. Obviously, they have a low opinion of the voters.

The truth is...to the Haters...the rest of us... are not as smart as they are ---morons we are you know!:D;):rolleyes:;):D

All we can do is hope that some day we will be as smart as the Haters!:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

And then we too can hate irrationally!

blue

09-30-2009, 12:35 AM

When a long time liberal and CBS reporter calls Fox fair and actually makes a case for it, Im inclined to believe him. When the same lefty makes the case that the fix is in with the Main Stream News Media, again Im inclined to believe him. When a long time Clinton advisor does the same, once again Im inclined to believe him.

Obama should be running our country, not running around campaigning, or trying to help out his friends in Chicago.

We had 8 years of Irrational hate, that hate came with riots and violent protests. Those haters are now somehow rational? Why did they hate, after all they did hate?

The New "irrational" hate is peaceful, respectful, and nonviolent. And OMG they are armed and nobody got shot.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/september_2009/obama_approval_index_september_29_2009/250975-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_september_29_2009.jpg

Really high numbers there.

A bad economy made worse, not paying attention to whats going on in two wars, failing at bailing out two auto companies. Ford seems to be doing alright, wait, they didnt take the money. Yeah I can see why Obama is catching a lot of flack while he is off trying to seal the bid for Chicago, taking the family on vacations on our dime, and running around acting like he is still on the campaign trail instead of doing his job.

(unlike GWB in 1980)

:confused:

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So now maybe somebody can justify and explain why the hatred we saw over the last eight years, the riots, the destruction of property, and the assaults was rational hatred? And the Peaceful, calm, and respectful demonstrations we have seen this year are irrational?

blue

09-30-2009, 02:22 AM

Actually?

The country runs far more efficiently when he is out of the country.

Truth FTW!

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7715016.stm

I tried to find this story on MSNBC's site and got nothing under 'Obama, tan" but got a hit on the AOL website. HMM, is that racism?;)

Indeed, god will save us from imbeciles!

He is half white, of course he can tan, saying he cant tan would be racist.

RICHARD

09-30-2009, 01:35 PM

I have to laugh at BO's attempt to get the Olympics in '16.

He supposes that his trip to Olso will somehow sway the IOC. Pretty much the choice already has been made - RDJ, Tokyo and Chicago and Madrid have already given their proposals and having the reps from those countries/cities is really just a photo op for the winners.

Sorry, but showing up the day of the announcement of who gets the games is a just an excuse to "get out of the house and go for a ride".

If Chicago does win the bid, they can be assured of getting bail out money to make that dream come true. ;) It's more money that the city, IOC and government has to pony up for the games and god knows what will happen to the folks living around the proposed sites for new venues that will be built by "private donors" -which you can read as BO's pals and the rest of the people who will look to milk the Games, the money and the people who will get shafted should Chicago win.

Buena Suerte folks, you are gonna need it.:eek::confused:

BTW.

Lost Angeles is still spending money on sports programs from the '84 games, thanks to Mitt Romney. El Lay had almost 200 million in revenues after the singing and dancing was over.:D

Edwina's Secretary

09-30-2009, 02:37 PM

The Haters on Facebook.... Haters (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/28/facebook.poll/index.html)

Hatred breds hatred.

And it leads to things like this.

I suppose some people feel sorry for the Haters...so filled with self-loathing that they must bash anyone who they think should be beneath them and is instead successful.

And I suppose some people think this poll was "protected political speech."

I think this hate is poisoning our society and doing far more damage to this country than any president or congress could do.

RICHARD

09-30-2009, 02:59 PM

BTW.

Lost Angeles is still spending money on sports programs from the '84 games, thanks to Mitt Romney. El Lay had almost 200 million in revenues after the singing and dancing was over.:D

Oops,

I meant Peter Ueberroth.....I was smitten by Romney at the 2002 torch run..:D

My mistake.

Edwina's Secretary

09-30-2009, 03:06 PM

I sure was curious what Mitt Romney had to do with LA Olympics. He was involved with the Salt Lake City Olympics.

And isn't the meeting in Copenhagen rather than Oslo? Denmark not Norway?

Is there anything else in your posts about this that is not...correct?

blue

09-30-2009, 10:18 PM

So 8 years of hatred, and promoting the death of Bush at protests, online forums, and in the MSM is rational? Im sure the union thugs that beat people up at the townhall meetings were rational responses to people wanting to be heard by their representatives.

9 months of peaceful, respectful, protests, and 1 hater Obama plant on Facebook poll equals irrational hatred?

Somebody needs to tell the POTUS to get off the campaign trail and do his job!

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For those that dont know, it was Ronald Reagan who won in 1980, not GWB, by a far larger margin then BHO won.

Reagan won the election, carrying 44 states with 489 electoral votes to 49 electoral votes for Carter (representing six states and Washington, D.C.).

blue

09-30-2009, 10:23 PM

For the race baiters.... Is Disagreeing With Obama Racist?

Former president Jimmy Carter said, "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man." That's from a man who earlier referred to Obama as "This black boy" on the Jim Lehrer "News Hour." New York Times social critic Maureen Dowd said, in reference to Rep. Joe Wilson's shouting "Liar" during Obama's address on health care before the joint session of Congress, "Some people just can't believe a black man is president and will never accept it." Washington Post's Howard Kurtz said he "began to suspect that race was a factor for at least some critics when I heard them shouting about 'the Constitution' and 'taking our country back.'" Kurtz asked whether the massive tea parties and other public protests reflect a "distinct discomfort with the country's first black president." House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, New York Gov. David Paterson, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, and other leftists claim that racism is behind criticism of President Obama.

For these people, it is inconceivable that many Americans are outraged by the president's spending policies, budget deficits, industry takeovers, not to mention the appointment of Czars, a term that ought to be alien and offensive to American values whether used by a Republican or Democratic president.

Obama's presidency is truly a remarkable commentary on the goodness of Americans and how far we've come in resolving matters of race. Obama convincingly won votes in states with insignificant black populations, such as the New England states, Iowa and Minnesota. For the nation as a whole, he managed 53 percent of the popular vote and 365 of the Electoral College votes when he only needed 270 to win. So now Jimmy Carter, Dowd, Rangel and other race-carders want us to believe that the massive discontent with Obama is racism. I say nonsense!

Speaking for the president, Robert Gibbs, White House spokesman, in no uncertain terms said that the president did not think the criticism directed at him and his policies was based on the color of his skin. President Obama refused to answer a reporter who queried him about Carter's comments. When Obama did respond, and much to his credit, he insisted that the "biggest driver" of the vitriol was distrust of government. His response was not only correct but the nation is better off as a result of it. We don't need the kind of divisiveness that would surely arise if Obama himself played the race card.

Race is no longer the problem that it once was. That doesn't mean there are not white and black bigots and that every vestige of racial discrimination has been eliminated. What little racial discrimination remains is nowhere near the insurmountable barrier it once was. For the most part, white bigots are no longer respected among whites and I look forward to the day when black bigots are no longer respected among blacks.

When one says that race is no longer the problem it once was, it is not the same as saying that there are not major problems that confront a large segment of the black population. Grossly fraudulent education is a major problem but it has nothing to do with racial discrimination as evidenced by the fact that the worse education received is in the very cities where blacks dominate the political structure. Crime is a major problem but it has nothing to do with racial discrimination, particularly in light of the fact that blacks commit most of the violent crime in America and well over 90 percent of their victims are black. The fact of a 70 percent illegitimacy rate and only 35 percent of black children raised in two-parent homes is a major problem but it has nothing to do with racial discrimination.

Americans should disavow and not fall prey to the racial rope-a-dope being played on us by the nation's race hustlers.

Deliberately quoted without a source or link.:D

RICHARD

10-02-2009, 09:18 AM

I wonder if the three hikers being held in Iran have anything to do with the talks that the U.S. attended?

Seems like we got a pair of 'journalists' back from N Korea by doing a little "talking".:rolleyes:

What will we have to give up now?

Plus, I hope we do apologize for having our intrepid citizens violate borders, again.:mad::rolleyes:

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Who is going to pay for the trips the Obama's made to Oslo?

A pundit just said that BO spent more time with this trip than he spent with Gen. McChrystal talking about Afghanistan.

Had Chi-town won the Olympic bid I can dare to say "insufferable" would have been a word to add to the political blogs across the country.

It's going to Rio.

RICHARD

10-02-2009, 11:56 AM

I can see Rio de Janeiro from my front porch.

Edwina's Secretary

10-02-2009, 12:00 PM

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Who is going to pay for the trips the Obama's made to Oslo?

I have no idea who is paying for a trip to Oslo or when they are going but the Chicago Olympic Committee paid for their trip to Copenhagen.

I am sure you need to make some snark about that.

Just read in the Copehagen news that each country in the running had a head of state or government present.

Grace

10-02-2009, 12:03 PM

Who is going to pay for the trips the Obama's made to Oslo?

That was Copenhagen, Richard. Oslo is the capital of Norway. Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark, the home of the Little Mermaid statue, made famous by Hans Christian Andersen.

Edwina's Secretary

10-02-2009, 12:05 PM

That was Copenhagen, Richard. Oslo is the capital of Norway. Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark, the home of the Little Mermaid statue, made famous by Hans Christian Andersen.

I guess to some people all Scandanavians look alike....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Grace

10-02-2009, 02:09 PM

Edwina's Secretary

10-02-2009, 04:53 PM

I realize RICHARD is the official "California spokesperson" but I'll answer anyway. I would really, really like to support Meg Whitman. I think her business experience would be very useful in a state that is way too "anti-employer" for my taste.

When we came here I had to take a crash course in California labor law. For example, this is one of only three states that mandates daily overtime. If a non-exempt employee does not take a meal break the company must pay a one hour penalty. Until a recent case, employers were being fined if employees did not take their rest breaks on time. Imagine talking to a sales person or the person wiating on your table who says..."I must go on my break now" and you have to start over with another employee.

But the not voting - not being registered to vote really bothers me. I have a real problem with people who do not vote. Often as not they are the biggest complainers who know exactly how things should be fixed. But they can't be bothered to participate.

Not declared Democratic or Republican - not a big deal. I have never declared for either party. But not even registered to vote until age 46?

That bothers me.

blue

10-02-2009, 11:58 PM

A $1.2 million dollar goose egg for the POTUS in Copenhagen. Now maybe he can meet with McCrystal and start doing his job.

RICHARD

10-03-2009, 12:57 AM

I love Meg Ryan and would vote for her any day of the week.

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Remember that the FLOTUS went separately to Copenhagen..

She ran up a tab too.:eek:

Grace,
LOL, now do you see why I need a globe????

Edwina's Secretary

10-03-2009, 11:04 AM

I'd sugget a history book to go with that globe!:D

I have to go and check who won the pool for which Hater and what time. They are predictable at least!

Obama should not go to whatever that city is where it cold. What a waste. Olympics are terrible. He should stay and talk to the general who was involved in the cover up and abuse of Pat Tillman. Olympics are terrible. Cost too much money.

He goes (as does the head of every country in the running)...Chicago is not selected and the Haters?

Olympics are wonderful. Make people feel good about their city. Obama is a loser. He didn't get the Olympics.

You guys sure do provide lots of laughs! Thanks! Now I need to go and see who won.

blue

10-03-2009, 09:34 PM

We feel terrible for what the Tillman family went through, but this matter has been investigated thoroughly by the Pentagon, by the Congress, by outside experts, and all of them have come to the same conclusion: that there was no wrongdoing by Gen. McChrystal.

Obama chose McChrystal to be in charge of the war in Afghanistan, he could do more to back the man.

I guess Chicago and his friends getting the Olympics where more important then our troops lives.

The $1.2 million that it took to get Obama and friends to Copenhagen and back could have been spent better by backing the General he chose.

The new definition of hate, expecting the POTUS to Do His Job.
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By doing his job I dont mean appoint a man who praised the pioneer of NAMBLA as the School Safety Czar. A man who advised a minor student not to disclose he was having sex with an older man.

RICHARD

10-04-2009, 12:04 AM

Obama chose McChrystal to be in charge of the war in Afghanistan, he could do more to back the man.

SCAPE GOAT. Every politician needs a scapegoat.:(

Check it out,

I can still see Rio de Janiero from my porch.

blue

10-04-2009, 12:12 AM

SCAPE GOAT. Every politician needs a scapegoat.:(

Y o owe me a keyboard. I spit my drink all over it. The ewe no longer works.

Edwina's Secretary

10-04-2009, 12:29 AM

How do we get rid of this guy????...he is a disgrace to the red, white and blue....

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090525/zirin2

blue

10-04-2009, 12:42 AM

RICHARD

10-04-2009, 12:58 AM

Y o owe me a keyboard. I spit my drink all over it. The ewe no longer works.

I swear, I have wrecked so many KBs that I should have stock in the company.
DUDE, I am sorry!

BO has handed off the HC reform issue to Pelosi-lol, let her take all the flack- Put McChrystal in charge of the war, when the Gen comes back with his assessment, he is brushed off. How many other people have been delegated 'CHANGE"?

LOLOLOLOLOL,
Mr. Cool goes to pitch the Olympics - seriously, I watched the presentation LIVE on Thursday/Friday morning. The athletes were dry-and BO's pitch was all about him and his election.

Seems like his, "America bad, We Sorry" talks were taken to heart.

Who really wants to come to a Olympics being held in a country that just elected a black man to office? Or has bombed and killed millions of people across the planet? Or maybe someone in the IOC saw the film of the kid being killed by being beaten with boards on the street in Chi Town??

BO wanted to walk out his door and go do a lap at the World's Biggest Party-
He said something like "I want to walk out my back door......"

It's all about you now?

I can see Rio de Janiero from my front porch.

Edwina's Secretary

10-04-2009, 01:01 AM

When NFL player-turned-Army Ranger Pat Tillman died at the hands of US troops in a case of "friendly fire," the spin machine at the Pentagon went into overdrive. Rumsfeld and company couldn't have their most high-profile soldier dying in such an inelegant fashion, especially with the release of those pesky photos from Abu Ghraib hitting the airwaves. So an obscene lie was told to Tillman's family, his friends and the American public.

The chickenhawks in charge, whose only exposure to war was watching John Wayne movies, claimed that he died charging a hill and was cut down by the radical Islamic enemies of freedom. In the weeks preceding his death, Tillman was beginning to question what exactly he was fighting for, telling friends that he believed the war in Iraq was " [expletive] illegal."

He may not have known what he was fighting for, but it's now clear what he died for: public relations. Today, after five years, six investigations and two Congressional hearings, questions still linger about how Tillman died and why it was covered up.

Now the man who greased the chain of command that orchestrated this great deception is prepared to assume total control of US operations in Afghanistan: Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal.

It was McChrystal who approved Tillman's posthumous Silver Star, a medal given explicitly for combat, even though he later testified that he "suspected" friendly fire.

blue

10-04-2009, 01:05 AM

Im going to watch Iron Maiden Rock In Rio in their honor, they deserve the Olympics.

Chicago did not need a new soccer stadium anyway.

blue

10-04-2009, 01:16 AM

Edwina's Secretary

10-04-2009, 01:01 PM

And now the Tillman family, amidst bipartisan praise for Obama's new general, must once again raise the inconvenient truth.

Pat's father, Pat Tillman Sr., told the Associated Press, "I do believe that guy participated in a falsified homicide investigation."

Mary Tillman, who excoriated McChrystal in her book, Boots on the Ground by Dusk: My Tribute to Pat Tillman, said, "It is imperative that Lt. Gen. McChrystal be scrutinized carefully during the Senate hearings."

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said in response:

We feel terrible for what the Tillman family went through, but this matter has been investigated thoroughly by the Pentagon, by the Congress, by outside experts, and all of them have come to the same conclusion: that there was no wrongdoing by Gen. McChrystal.

Morrell's statement has more spin than a washing machine powered by a V-8 engine. McChrystal has never explained why the early reports of Tillman's death were covered up, why his clothes and field journal were burned and destroyed on the scene or why Pat's brother Kevin, serving alongside him in the Rangers, was lied to on the spot. Even the cover-up was covered up. This should be a cause for dismissal--or indictment--not promotion.

Ibid

Grace

10-04-2009, 05:43 PM

From the Washington Post -

A General's Public Pressure

By Bruce Ackerman
Saturday, October 3, 2009

The president, the Constitution tells us, is the commander in chief. But is it true?

In a speech in London on Thursday, Gen. Stanley McChrystal publicly intervened in the debate over Afghanistan. Vice President Biden has suggested that we focus on fighting al-Qaeda and refrain from using our troops to prop up the government of President Hamid Karzai. But when this strategic option was raised at his presentation, McChrystal said it was a formula for "Chaos-istan." When asked whether he would support it, he said, "The short answer is: No."

As commanding general in Afghanistan, McChrystal has no business making such public pronouncements. Under law, he doesn't have the right to attend the National Security Council as it decides our strategy. To the contrary, the Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986 explicitly names the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the National Security Council's exclusive military adviser. If the president wanted McChrystal's advice, he was perfectly free to ask him to accompany Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, when the council held its first meeting on Afghanistan this week.

But Obama did not extend the invitation, even though McChrystal was leaving Kabul and could have gone to Washington easily. Instead, Obama asked the general to report to the council via a brief teleconference.

News of McChrystal's position had been leaked to Bob Woodward and was published in The Post early last week. But it is one thing for some nameless Washington insider to engage in a characteristic power play; quite another for McChrystal to pressure the president in public to adopt his strategy. This is a plain violation of the principle of civilian control.

McChrystal seemed curiously blind to this point. He emphasized that the president had "encouraged" him to be blunt when making his grim report on Afghanistan. But future presidents won't be so encouraging if they know that their commanders might create political problems if they think that their recommendations will be overruled. Instead, they will insist that their commanders tell them only what they want to hear. Confidentiality is a condition for candid communications between commanders and the commander in chief.

McChrystal was almost cavalier in dismissing this point. After praising his superiors for encouraging straight talk, he laughingly suggested that "they may change their minds and crush me some day." This is precisely backward: Generals shouldn't need to be told that it is wrong to lecture their presidents in public. Perhaps McChrystal was misled by the precedent set by Gen. David Petraeus, who strongly supported President Bush's military surge in Iraq in 2007. Though Petraeus publicly endorsed the surge, this happened only after Bush made his decision. Petraeus was backing up his commander in chief, not trying to preempt him.

Nevertheless, precedents have the habit of adding up. Unless McChrystal publicly recognizes that he has crossed the line, future generals will become even more aggressive in their efforts to browbeat presidents.

We have no need for a repeat of the showdown between President Harry Truman and Gen. Douglas MacArthur over Korea. Truman faced down his general the last time around, but it was a bruising experience.

Though McChrystal may feel "crushed," he should show more self-restraint. Indeed, his breach should provoke a broader discussion of the meaning of civilian control in the 21st century. It may well make sense for the Pentagon, or a special commission, to frame more concrete guidelines so that we may avoid future breaches.

The writer is a professor at Yale Law School.

lizbud

10-04-2009, 07:37 PM

McChrystal should be chastized by the President. (in private if necessary)
Obama wiill not be lead around by the nose the way GWB did. At least I hope
not.

RICHARD

10-04-2009, 07:46 PM

From the Washington Post -

EFF YOU Ackerman.

You dimwitted wanker....

Of course Mc Chrystal will make public pronouncements when it concerns HIS CHARGES!

That is what I mean about scape goats.

The reality of the war has edged it's way into the reality of the current presidency.

Close down Gitmo and bring the troops back home, you dope.

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McChrystal was almost cavalier in dismissing this point. After praising his superiors for encouraging straight talk, he laughingly suggested that "they may change their minds and crush me some day."

LOLOLOL,

Just like every situation where the "BOSS" makes you THINK you opinion counts?

When you go against what they believe they distance themselces from your sorry rear and leave you out to dry.

SCAPE goat's head soup.

Imagine that,

A soldier who is literally in charge with thousands of lives having an opinion about how to keep his men alive.

Boy, does he have some nerve.

Edwina's Secretary

10-04-2009, 07:51 PM

As I was reading the article posted by Grace -- all I could think of was Truman and McArthur. Sure enough...

What gets into these guys...think because someone calls them "Sir" and puts some ribbons on their chest they don't have to follow the clearly established rules?

And I thought the military was all about "chain of command.":rolleyes::rolleyes:

As if covering up, lying and spinning the death of a hero wasn't enough for McChrystal...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

There is a new sheriff in town. I think he had better learn that.

blue

10-04-2009, 10:21 PM

If Obama is serious about Afghanistan, Iraq, and possibly Iran, he should be led by the nose by his military advisors. Obama has never run anything!

Congress, a Democrat dominated Congress, cleared McChrystal of any wrong doing in the Tillman case. If McChystal gets chastised by the POTUS, Congress should also be chastised by the POTUS. The POTUS should be publicly chastised by all of us for appointing McChrystal if he is indeed guilty of wrong doing in the TIllman coverup!

Edwina's Secretary

10-04-2009, 10:28 PM

Was McChrystal involved in the Jessica Lynch scam in addition to the Tillman scam?

Or did someone else make all that stuff up? She was captured while firing her weapon! She was mistreated and was rescued from the horror...

Honestly...or should I say...dishonestly...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Or is it just too many John Wayne movies???

Grace

10-04-2009, 10:38 PM

Edwina's Secretary

10-05-2009, 10:47 PM

This is interesting....it is not quite true that McChrystal was found not to be responsible for the coverup etc. surrounding the death of Tillman.

It seems those who were called before Congress all had very bad memories. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (It happens...)

Consequently, Congress could not get enough information to make a determination.

As for the Pentagon investigating itself - well...My Lai anyone?

And that is what is called...spin...:rolleyes:

Lady's Human

10-06-2009, 03:08 AM

Gen. McChrystal had no place making a public speech as he did questioning the CinC's decisions.

It isn't unusual, however. Gen Shinseki, Gen. Wes Clark and others have done the same. What's unusual about Gen. McChrystal's comments are that they recieved the amount of press that they have.

Edwina's Secretary

10-06-2009, 03:41 PM

Richard, do you have any thoughts about Meg Whitman who wants to run for Governor of California?

I ask, because I just read this (http://www.creators.com/opinion/susan-estrich.html?columnsName=ses) by Susan Estrich.

Yesterday both the LA Times and the local OC paper (slightly to the right of Atila the Hun) had editorials taking her to task for failing to vote and initially refusing to offer any explanation.

She has finally offered up that she was very busy raising her family, moving around the country for her husband's career and getting very rich (she didn't really say the last one...I helped:D;))

It is not playing to well but she has a while for people to forget it. Probably better for her that it came out now -- so long in advance - instead of at the last minute in the campaign.

blue

10-07-2009, 09:26 PM

CNN fact checking an SNL skit.

Link. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-U11zrnQ0E)

Hopefully all the idiots that latched on to Tina Fey's performance as fact, will latch on to this skit as a fact as well.

Oh yeah, here is the CNN Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4L-7-vxmh4).

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Obama not meeting with the General he appointed, a general who would resign if the CIC doesnt do His job is more irresponsable then McChrystal speaking out IMO. The same General that Congress cleared of wrong doing.

Sorry if I am putting the lives and well being of our soldiers, above free health care, or getting fined for not having health care insurance.

Edwina's Secretary

10-07-2009, 10:20 PM

Not really....

In 2007, the Army overruled a Pentagon recommendation that McChrystal be held accountable for his "misleading" actions.

On July 14, 2008 the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform released a proposed report titled "Misleading Information from the Battlefield: The Tillman and Lynch Episodes".[28][29] The committee stated that its "investigation was frustrated by a near universal lack of recall" among "senior officials at the White House" and the military. It concluded:

The pervasive lack of recollection and absence of specific information makes it impossible for the Committee to assign responsibility for the misinformation in Corporal Tillman’s and Private Lynch’s cases. It is clear, however, that the Defense Department did not meet its most basic obligations in sharing accurate information with the families and with the American public.

Grace

10-07-2009, 10:49 PM

From NEWSWEEK -

A Bunch of Hypocrites?
Several Democrats, including some closed allied to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, are the subject of ethics complaints.

By Holly Bailey | NEWSWEEK

Published Oct 3, 2009

From the magazine issue dated Oct 12, 2009

Correction (published Oct. 5, 2009): This article originally reported that Rep. John Murtha was under investigation by the House ethics committee. Rather, the committee is "reviewing," not investigating political contributions he and other House lawmakers received from the PMA Group, a lobbying firm that represented Defense interests. NEWSWEEK regrets the error.

Nancy Pelosi likes to brag that she's "drained the swamp" when it comes to corruption in the House, but ethics problems could come back to haunt Democrats in 2010. Democrats are currently the subject of 12 of the 16 complaints pending before the House ethics committee. Two of the lawmakers under scrutiny—Reps. Jack Murtha and Charlie Rangel—have close ties to Pelosi, who has come under criticism for not asking them to resign their committee posts. Murtha, chairman of a key defense-appropriations subcommittee, is is not formally under investigation but the ethics committee is reviewing political contributions he and other House lawmakers received from lobbying firm whose clients received millions of dollars in Defense earmarks. Rangel, chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, is facing scrutiny for not fully disclosing assets. The ethics committee is also looking into ties between Rangel and a developer who leased rent-controlled apartments to the congressman, and whether Rangel improperly used his House office to raise funds for a public policy institute in his name. Rangel and Murtha deny any wrongdoing. (Another lawmaker under investigation: Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who, according to the committee, "may have offered to raise funds" for then–Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich in exchange for the president's Senate seat—a charge Jackson denies. The panel deferred its probe at the request of the Justice Department, which is conducting its own inquiry.)

Pelosi has said little about Rangel's ethics problems, or those involving other Democrats; a Pelosi spokesman, Brendan Daly, e-mails NEWSWEEK, "The speaker has said that [Rangel] should not step aside while the independent, bipartisan ethics committee is investigating."

But watchdog groups, not to mention Republicans, are calling Pelosi hypocritical since Democrats won back control of the House by, in part, trashing the GOP's ethics lapses. Republicans already plan to use the ethics issue against Democrats in 2010. Though Rangel and Murtha aren't as known as Tom DeLay, the GOP poster boy for scandal in 2006, the party aims to change that: this week the House GOP plans to introduce a resolution calling on Rangel to resign his committee post. Pelosi "promised to run the most ethical Congress in history," says Ken Spain, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, "and instead of cracking down on corruption, she promotes it." Daly responds, "Since Democrats took control of Congress, we have strengthened the ethics process."

Find this article at http://www.newsweek.com/id/216687

blue

10-07-2009, 10:54 PM

I guess because of McChrystal's, the Pentagon's, and Congress's involvement, Tillman's Silver Star should be returned. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

None of the above behavior excuses the lack of action on McChrystal's report on Afghanistan IMO. Our Troops deserve better.

blue

10-07-2009, 10:55 PM

From NEWSWEEK -

Its probably somehow Bush's fault.

Edwina's Secretary

10-07-2009, 11:02 PM

From NEWSWEEK -

They can just do as the military brass does and all develop "bad memories"!:D:D

Grace

10-07-2009, 11:05 PM

Its probably somehow Bush's fault.

If you say so :)

blue

10-07-2009, 11:09 PM

If you say so :)

Someway, somehow the Lefties will make the claim it was. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

RICHARD

10-12-2009, 08:29 PM

DUDE!!!!

Can you imagine walking down the street and feeling a sharp pain in you calf?

You look down and see Dianne Feinstein clamped on you leg muttering something about the troops in Afghanistan.

Wheeeee!!!!!!

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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/10/08/cs-monitor-code-pink-rethinks-its-call-afghanistan-pullout

LOL,
Where is Cindy Sheehan when 'we' need her!!!!

RICHARD

10-15-2009, 09:47 AM

Beau Biden's forehead is huge. What's going on up there?:eek:

RICHARD

10-15-2009, 04:13 PM

http://news.aol.com/article/the-point-huffington-thinks-biden-should/719264

That AH is an AH.;)

Bwahahahahahahahahahah.

I love politics.

THere ain't nothing like getting a burr in the old panties, is there?:D

Edwina's Secretary

10-15-2009, 06:46 PM

October 15, 2009 (Sacramento) – A lobbyist scandal in Sacramento has given new meaning to the term “pork” in politics. Ever since former Assemblyman Mike Duvall squealed on tape about bedding two lobbyists, critics have called for an investigation. Now the non-partisan citizens watchdog group Common Cause has called on the Fair Political Practices Commission to open an investigation into whether the female lobbyists violated state law by engaging in affairs with Duvall, an Orange County Republican who resigned in disgrace after his boasts were made public. An Orange County newspaper has identified one of the women as a lobbyist for Sempra Energy/SDG&E.

“Voters need to know how widespread this practice is of lobbyists literally getting into bed with legislators, and since the Legislature and Attorney General have both abandoned any investigation it is now incumbent upon the FPPC to take this on,” said Derek Cressman, Western States Regional Director for Common Cause.

Is he "forgiven?"

RICHARD

10-21-2009, 10:09 AM

Oh, the humanity which masquerades as common sense.

I love the Fox/White House fight.

They are crybabies.

I had to watch some msnbc to get the gist of what the WH is ticked about.

Glen Beck, Hannity, Olbermann and MadCow all have no news value..they are merely talking heads with opinions.

They all cry, roll their eyes, spew and urinate the same way.....;)

For Barack's cronies to comment is very funny.

Shannon Bream is hot.
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I was at Target yesterday and saw this "CHANGE AND HOPE" lettering sticking out of a box. I walked over and it was some kind of speech with BO's
pic at the bottom. I did not look at what it said, I guessed it was the inauguration speech-I didn't see it the first time, so....

On the price sticker it had been discounted.....to a dollar and CHANGE!!!!!!!

:eek::rolleyes::confused:

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I hear BO talking about his, "Just getting started."

Nine months and he barely got it in gear?:eek::D

RICHARD

10-22-2009, 04:47 PM

La Mexicana bailo con Obama, Y Michelle fue encolerizada!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFzbooqaDjc

I had to laugh at this clip.

Thalia, the Mexican songstress performed at some WH function and went to ask BO for a dance.

She was very polite, even "asking" for MO's permission BEFOREHAND.

BO gives it a valiant try, another FAIL for the prez but that's besides the point, he goes back to sit down at the table....

MO is very gracious and proud of her man, look at the reaction when goes back to the table!!!!

BO, you are the King of the World, I would have given Thalia my rendition of the Lambada-the forbidden dance- then given her my number....

Again, we have a prez that is an under acheiver!:D

RICHARD

10-26-2009, 02:40 PM

Hey,

MAKE UP YOU MIND ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO FOR OUR TROOPS! Platitudes are nice to see in print...it's the unseen actions that count.

"People are our most precious resource".
I'll prove it to you while waffling about the Middle East.

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What is it with Rahm Emmanuel ? :o

Edwina's Secretary

10-27-2009, 10:34 AM

Here's hoping this administration listens to someone who actually knows what he is talking about... like this guy.

When Matthew Hoh joined the Foreign Service early this year, he was exactly the kind of smart civil-military hybrid the administration was looking for to help expand its development efforts in Afghanistan.

A former Marine Corps captain with combat experience in Iraq, Hoh had also served in uniform at the Pentagon, and as a civilian in Iraq and at the State Department. By July, he was the senior U.S. civilian in Zabul province, a Taliban hotbed.

But last month, in a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency.

"I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States' presence in Afghanistan," he wrote Sept. 10 in a four-page letter to the department's head of personnel. "I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy, but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end."

The reaction to Hoh's letter was immediate. Senior U.S. officials, concerned that they would lose an outstanding officer and perhaps gain a prominent critic, appealed to him to stay.

U.S. Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry brought him to Kabul and offered him a job on his senior embassy staff. Hoh declined. From there, he was flown home for a face-to-face meeting with Richard C. Holbrooke, the administration's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

'Wasn't worth the fight'
"We took his letter very seriously, because he was a good officer," Holbrooke said in an interview. "We all thought that given how serious his letter was, how much commitment there was, and his prior track record, we should pay close attention to him."

While he did not share Hoh's view that the war "wasn't worth the fight," Holbrooke said, "I agreed with much of his analysis." He asked Hoh to join his team in Washington, saying that "if he really wanted to affect policy and help reduce the cost of the war on lives and treasure," why not be "inside the building, rather than outside, where you can get a lot of attention but you won't have the same political impact?"

Hoh accepted the argument and the job, but changed his mind a week later. "I recognize the career implications, but it wasn't the right thing to do," he said in an interview Friday, two days after his resignation became final.

RICHARD

10-27-2009, 05:32 PM

How do I get to K Street?

Grace

10-27-2009, 06:05 PM

How do I get to K Street?

Just follow the alphabet - K comes after J :)

Edwina's Secretary

10-27-2009, 06:09 PM

I believe it is one of those things...if you have to ask how to get there...you probably shouldn't go!:D

RICHARD

10-27-2009, 09:04 PM

Just follow the alphabet - K comes after J :)

I guess I'll have to that Sister Mary Thomas for giving me direction and the alphabet.:D

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There is some emm effer talking on BBC about how 'sophisticated' the attacks on U.S. soldiers.

It's a handful of sneaky little cowards that hide among civilians to do their dirty work.

There is nothing sophisticated about be a spineless POS.

I predict, just like I said it would happen in Iran...

The locals are going to get tired of the scumbags amongst them and revolt.

RICHARD

10-28-2009, 03:04 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33507431/?GT1=43001

YOU GO ASK him what it meant.

I love my governor.:D

RICHARD

11-02-2009, 02:17 PM

LOL, there is no M-E in BO!!!!!

It's late, what ya say to a trip to Dover?

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I won't go speak at the Global Warming gathering but I'll address the subject when I go to pick up my Nobel Prize......The global warning thing is NOT ABOUT ME, but the Nobel thing is!!!!

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LOL,

The prez should keep with the laws and not go FOX hunting. He don't look like the kind of guy that could even get on board a horse's back, let alone go
hunting for cable channels.:confused::o:(

He does so well on his own and I really like to see him everyday talking about what he wants to do for the country.

It inspires me.

To put a pencil thru my foot.:mad:

Edwina's Secretary

11-02-2009, 03:04 PM

He does so well on his own and I really like to see him everyday talking about what he wants to do for the country.

It inspires me.

To put a pencil thru my foot.:mad:

There you see? He IS doing something right!

RICHARD

11-02-2009, 05:06 PM

I am stoked!

I just found an Eberhard Faber in 2 1/2 (HB).
:eek:

RICHARD

11-03-2009, 07:04 PM

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20091103.jpg

POOPY PANTS!!!!!:D

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I heart Carly Fiorina....

Puckstop31

11-07-2009, 06:34 PM

It seems most everyone in USA can go and buy a gun - what a sad world! :( It's not that it's only well educated and sane people, or people going hunting, who can buy a gun, it's also the unstable phsyco who thinks it's cool. :rolleyes:

There is a background check for every firearm purchase in the USA. Is the system perfect? No. Find a government program that is.

All the more reason I am grateful for my God given and 2nd Amendment affirmed right to own guns.

Puckstop, how would you feel if your child got hit? Would you go and shoot the guy who did it? If so, his freinds would most likely shoot you in revenge, and your friends/family would then...... it could on and on. Is this the kind of world we want to live in?

This is rather juvenile of you, eh? A "what if" about my family?

IF the person who hurt her was in my home or outside of my home and still threatening others... They would die. If the person was captured, I would hope the justice system does its job.

See, I know my daughter has an immortal soul. I will see her again. This does not mean I would not be devastated, of course I would.

But no, I would NOT seek revenge on her killer/person who harmed her. Vengance is Gods job.

And NO, its NOT the kind of world I want to live in. But, it IS the world I live in. We should always strive to be better, but humanity is, well, humanity.

If guns were not manufactored, there would be no shootings at all! Now, you'll probably say that people would then use knives etc. - and I'm sure they would, but they would not be able to kill as many innocent people before they were stopped!

What are you? In 5th grade?

Shall we discuss the MASS murders inflicted upon disarmed populations throughout history?

RICHARD

11-07-2009, 09:27 PM

I heard the President went to visit the wounded soldiers from Fort Hood.

Barbara went too!

blue

11-07-2009, 09:31 PM

I heard the President went to visit the wounded soldiers from Fort Hood.

Barbara went too!

Dont forget the "Shout Out" he gave before commenting on the tragedy at FT Hood. AHIC. As dumb as Shrubco looked, at least he had some tact as POTUS W/O the TPOTUS.

RICHARD

11-08-2009, 01:06 PM

Remember Nov 7 for two things.

Congress worked on the weekend and they caused more problems for the people that voted them in!:eek:

RICHARD

11-09-2009, 01:14 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33789865/ns/politics-health_care_reform

Knock heads together and the public will see the need for Health Care reform...We'll have tons of people with head injuries to care for!:eek::confused:

RICHARD

11-15-2009, 01:10 AM

http://www.asylum.com/2009/11/06/new-v-miniseries-a-treat-for-obama-opponents/?icid=main|main|dl5|link2|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asylum. com%2F2009%2F11%2F06%2Fnew-v-miniseries-a-treat-for-obama-opponents%2F

Why not? GWB is to blame anyway.

blue

11-15-2009, 01:25 AM

Why not?

BHO has kissed the Saudi Prince's ring, and has now bowed in supplication to the Emperor of Japan. Maybe the higher ups at ABC have seen the light? More likely they have seen the ratings.

RICHARD

11-16-2009, 11:22 AM

LOL,

I was thinking about how there wasn't THAT much coverage on BO's trip to China, then I saw the Q&A thing he did with those students.

Umm, I don't know what was ummmm more painful.

Listening to him "UM" his way thru the answers or the people asking the questions.

I was wondering how many "goverment plants" there were amongst the crowd asking the questions.

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The answers about the internet, women's rights and the apologies for everything else was really. Again, we are the bad people who dictate what and how the world should feel and we are sorry for that.

Ai!

Puckstop31

11-23-2009, 08:05 AM

Part of the reason why the HCR debate needs to make economic sense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/business/23rates.html?_r=1

Edwina's Secretary

11-23-2009, 06:21 PM

I am surprised the Doghouse Denizens have not yet expressed the usual shock and horror that Obama is holding the first state dinner in a tent on the lawn.

Guess Fox News hasn't told them to yet!!!

Puckstop31

11-23-2009, 10:24 PM

I am surprised the Doghouse Denizens have not yet expressed the usual shock and horror that Obama is holding the first state dinner in a tent on the lawn.

Guess Fox News hasn't told them to yet!!!

:rolleyes:

Don't feed the TROLLS.

*** The Fox News thing is clutch. I did not think that you were one of THOSE kind of progressives. Again, thank you for showing thy true colors. Keep looking down that nose at "us".

lizbud

11-24-2009, 09:56 AM

:rolleyes:

Don't feed the TROLLS.

*** The Fox News thing is clutch. I did not think that you were one of THOSE kind of progressives. Again, thank you for showing thy true colors. Keep looking down that nose at "us".

Awwww, poor put-upon Puckie. :(:(:(

blue

11-25-2009, 01:46 AM

I am surprised the Doghouse Denizens have not yet expressed the usual shock and horror that Obama is holding the first state dinner in a tent on the lawn.

Why would anybody be shocked that Obama is following in Clinton's footsteps? Now if you are thinking some would be upset by Obama spending tax dollars to entertain Hollywood elites/celebrities and other non foriegn politicians at his first state dinner, you might be right.

Im glad you brought it up trying to stir the pot.

Guess Fox News hasn't told them to yet!!!

I dont have a TV, and I dont visit Fox's website.

Liz, way to bring the pom poms!

RICHARD

11-25-2009, 10:55 AM

I have to say that I ALWAYS enjoy the Presidential Turkey Pardon.

I noticed that BO didn't get too close to the bird and I wondered if it was personal or the staff told him not to get too close? The announcers said that someone always gets nipped.

Horses and I do not mix, so I understand if he didn't want to.:eek:

Edwina's Secretary

11-26-2009, 03:47 PM

Awwww, poor put-upon Puckie. :(:(:(

And isn't it amusing how he thinks everything is about him!!:D:D

lizbud

11-26-2009, 07:17 PM

And isn't it amusing how he thinks everything is about him!!:D:D

I've noticed.;)

blue

11-26-2009, 07:43 PM

It seems that even on a holiday, some people just cant be nice.

pomtzu

11-27-2009, 06:23 AM

It seems that even on a holiday, some people just cant be nice.

You're feeding the trolls again.........:eek::p

RICHARD

11-27-2009, 08:26 AM

Ugh....

I did go thru the magnometer.......:cool:

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I have to say that the couple who crashed the Whtie House tent party reminded me about the times I would go camping and some idiot from the campsite would come over, introduce themselves, then and proceed to sit by my fire, uninvited, for the evening!:eek::mad::rolleyes:

"Hey, Michelle, Did you know where that goofy couple, with the camera in tow, came from?

Today's paper had a quote about the couple going thru the medal detectors, Someone asked "What it they had some kind of bio weapon or could have grabbed a knife from the table?"

Did anyone notice the scene when BO was in China and he walked by some soldier with a giant sword in his hand? As the pres walked by him, the soldier fell in behind them.

I think I have read too many, Tom Clancy, Stephen Coonts and Vince Flynn novels. I always see a conspiracy somewhere!:eek:;)

:eek:

sasvermont

11-27-2009, 06:12 PM

I hate to give them much of my time, as I think they rank right up there with the balloon boy and his family.

I surely hope they don't get a reality show after this. I also suspect someone's head in the security department (Secret Service) will roll. They (the SS) should be ashamed of themselves, if they were at fault for letting the couple through the security.

I've seen a few stories about the couple - I don't know how many are true. If they are the least bit true, I don't like them even more. Ugh. Some people!!! What is wrong with this world?

blue

12-02-2009, 01:20 AM

A letter from a long time Alaskan, a Poet, Musician, And Firefighter Dewey Whetsell.

"Dewey Whetsell a longtime commercial fisherman, veteran fire fighter and fire chief, jazz musician, and poet from Alaska penned a very nice retort to all of those who would say Sarah Palin isn't the real deal, a true leader.

Those who follow Alaska politics know these stories well, but the rest of America should understand this as well.

You can check out Dewey Whetsell's website here (http://www.deweywhetsell.com/), the man has a very interesting life's story.

Here is Dewey's letter:" Source (http://sarahs-accomplishments.blogspot.com/2009/08/alaskan-poet-musician-and-firefighter.html).

"The last 45 of my 66 years I've spent in a commercial fishing town in Alaska. I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here's the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets It's not about persona, style, rhetoric, its about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I'm about to mention here.

1- Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governors office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republicans Corrupt Bastards Club (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti and singing la la la la (well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this country that has ever done anything similar. But while you're thinking, I'll continue.

2- Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So, she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called ACES. Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them don't let the door hit you in the stern on your way out. They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has done anything similar.

3- The other thing she did when she walked into the governors office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as pork. She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the when-hell-freezes-over stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, well pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governors jet because it was extravagant. Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor's cook (remarking that she could cook for her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never mentioning, I imagine, that she's packing heat herself). I'm still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.

4- Now, even with her much-ridiculed gosh and golly mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn't impress you, then you're trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.

5- For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn't start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. This summer, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.

6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona . Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that’s just a cover-up. I'm still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I wont be holding my breath.

By the way, she was content to to return to AK after the national election and go to work, but the haters wouldn't let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. Shoulda known better.

As we have been saying for a long time, Sarah Palin was an incredibly effective Governor, and a true servant of the people. The kind of woman who isn't afraid of whatever challenge that faces her. As she has shown in the past few weeks, she is more than ready to take on big government, like she has big oil. And if Sarah Palin could tame Exxon-Mobil, I'm sure she will make quick work of D.C.!

BTW, even though she has given Exxon-Mobil absolute fits, they were more than happy to sign on as a partner in the Trans-Canada natural gas pipeline, her crowning achievement as Governor, that Dewey mentions in his letter.

People, like myself, who have followed Sarah for some time, understand the greatness of this woman. Sarah Palin is an American leader who has what is sorely needed today: The ability to get things done, good things for the people.

RICHARD

12-02-2009, 11:22 AM

Mission Accomplished-The Next Generation!

Color-2009-Running Time, 18 months.

Starring Barack Obama as the prez.
In this delightful sequel to the story of George of the Flight Deck. The prez tries to project the end on operations in Afghanistan by promising the end of the 'war' in 18 months.

The fun starts when the White House seamstress (played by Oprah Winfrey)is chastised by Michelle for measuring the prez' inseam -for HIS flight suit-without the Secret Service in the room.

Guest starring Tareq and Michaele Salahi as the Idiot Couple with the Dead Batttery.

blue

12-05-2009, 02:30 AM

Arrested for Trespass on his own property! Figured Ild post it here then give it its own thread.

Superior man arrested for trespassing on his own land
The latest chapter in a saga over an easement for a pipeline ended with Jeremy Engelking going to jail.

Jeremy Engelking will appear in Douglas County court this afternoon to face a trespassing charge. But here’s the kicker: The Superior man allegedly trespassed on his own property.

Engelking, 27, aimed to hunt deer Wednesday morning when he noticed a pipeline crew on his land. He hopped on his ATV and told workers they had no right to be on his property because he had received no compensation from Enbridge Energy Partners L.P. for an easement.

Engelking said workers told him he was in an unsafe place and asked him to come to an equipment staging area, where he continued to argue his case.

But just as he was turning to leave, Engelking said an officer from the Douglas County Sheriff’s Department arrived on the scene and approached with a Taser drawn.

“He ordered me to 'get down on the ground now!' And he said that I was being arrested for trespassing,” Engelking said.

When Engelking protested, pointing out that he was on his own property, he said Sgt. Robert Smith told him: “It doesn’t matter. You’re going to jail. You can tell it to a judge tomorrow.”

Engelking offered no resistance, but Smith placed him in handcuffs then transported him to the Douglas County Jail. After posting a $200 bail bond, Engelking was released that afternoon. He also had to pay about another $100 to recover his impounded ATV.

The incident report says Engelking parked his ATV in front of pipeline equipment, stopping workers. Engelking said it wasn’t his intention to physically block work.

Lorraine Grymala, a community affairs manager for Enbridge, said access to work sites is restricted in the interest of safety.

"We can't have people in the right of way without an escort and the proper gear," she said. "People could get hurt."

Engelking’s arrest Wednesday is the latest episode in a long disagreement he and his father, Jerry Engelking, have had with Enbridge, dating to the company’s last pipeline expansion in 2002.

Jerry Engelking, who owns 200 acres next to his son, said he refused to sign off on changes proposed to the original 1949 easement across his property because he felt the revisions put too many restrictions on how he could use his property. That original easement said future pipes laid along the same route would require payments in advance.

According to court documents, Enbridge sent a $15,000 check to Jerry Engelking and also tried to hand-deliver payments, but Engelking refused to accept them.

Engelking said that to claim the money he would have had to broaden the scope of the existing easement across his property, so he turned the checks down. When the latest pipeline project came along, the Engelkings again refused to modify the original 1949 right-of-way agreement.

The family sought a restraining order against Enbridge on Sept. 24, arguing the company intended to use the pipeline for transporting petroleum products other than those originally allowed, protesting that they had not been paid and citing damage to property.

Douglas County Circuit Court Judge George Glonek granted a temporary injunction but lifted it the following day, saying the company’s plans for the pipeline were appropriate and efforts had been made to pay the Engelkings.

Jerry Engelking said the fight’s not finished yet.

Officers reported no similar incidents along the path of the Enbridge pipeline construction in Douglas County, said Lt. Gerald Moe of the Douglas County Sheriff’s Department.

Grymala said that Enbridge has worked with about 1,500 landowners as part of the pipeline project.

“We recognize construction is an inconvenience to people; people want access to their land,” she said. “We strive to be respectful of that, to have a good working relationship.”

Welcome to the New Government. It didnt start with Barry Sorento, and he isnt going to make it better.

RICHARD

12-09-2009, 12:17 AM

I felt badly this past week.
I saw an interview where one of the elelcvted officials was whining
about having to work on the weekend.

You miserable, lazy POS.

I worked for years on the swing, starting on Sunday. What a pathetic baby,

"We want to be home with our families!"

How does it feel to work for a living?:rolleyes:

janelle

12-09-2009, 01:51 AM

I agree and they just voted themselves a nice big raise. Wish we could do the same but I think a lot of them will be getting their pick slips in the next election. Some have been there so long they think they own the country.

blue

12-09-2009, 02:16 AM

How does it feel to work for a living?:rolleyes:

Ron Paul or Sarah Palin might know how it feels.

ETA: I think the carreer politiks are trying to make it worse.

Grace

12-11-2009, 09:36 AM

Jenny Sanford files for divorce -

From Politico -

South Carolina’s first lady has filed for divorce.

Jenny Sanford announced Friday that she is ending her marriage to Republican Gov. Mark Sanford nearly six months after he admitted to an affair with an Argentine mistress.

“As so many of us know, the dissolution of any marriage is a sad and painful process,” Sanford said in a statement e-mailed to reporters Friday morning. “It is also a very personal and private one. Because Mark and I are public figures, we have naturally had less privacy with which to deal with our difficulties than do other couples. Indeed, I know it will soon become known so I choose to release this brief notice that I am now filing for divorce. This came after many unsuccessful efforts at reconciliation, yet I am still dedicated to keeping the process that lies ahead peaceful for our family.”

“I remain thankful to so many across this state and nation for their words of encouragement and prayers during this difficult time,” she continued. “Please know the boys and I are doing well and are blessed with the incredible support of friends and family and bolstered by our faith and the unfailing love of our God above.”

The announcement comes two days after a subcommittee in the South Carolina state House effectively killed any impeachment threat against the governor.

RICHARD

12-13-2009, 01:08 PM

Jenny Sanford files for divorce -

From Politico -

There ya go, had he retired? He would have had to spend time trying to fix something that was too broken to repair.

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Those poor politicians are working today, on Sunday... I hope they miss all the games.

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Did anyone notice the lisp that BO had during the Nobel speech?

RICHARD

12-14-2009, 09:20 AM

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=446771&Gt1=28103

Who needs hack actors when you can get the real thing-and ten times funnier?

LMAO at Shatner's face after she walked out.:D

RICHARD

12-17-2009, 01:17 AM

Pay attention.

What you are seeing with the HRC and the way that the Dems are selling it should be a warning to us all.

Ready?

Why the closed door meetings?

Why the insistence of passing the bill with all kinds of STUPID and costly points attached, then saying that "we can pass it now, and refine it later?"

Yeah, get it passed now and you will have earned the med lobbyist's payoffs, then end up suddenly impotent, in power and mind.

That shows some effing stupid planning and foresight. Enough, if we can't try to get it right the first time?

And remember, WE HAVE TO DO IT BY THE CHRISTMAS RECESS!

Morons.

blue

12-17-2009, 01:27 AM

Why the closed door meetings?

What closed door meetings??!!! The Messiah. sorry, the POTUS promised us televised broadcasts of any HCR bills! He cant have broken yet another promise? HE wouldnt do that, would he? He promised us hope, all I have left is change...

Bush sure looks alot smarter then the ****** sitting in the Whitehouse tree now.

RICHARD

12-17-2009, 09:27 AM

What closed door meetings??!!! The Messiah. sorry, the POTUS promised us televised broadcasts of any HCR bills! He cant have broken yet another promise? HE wouldnt do that, would he? He promised us hope, all I have left is change...

Bush sure looks alot smarter then the ****** sitting in the Whitehouse tree now.

Transparency?;):rolleyes::eek:

RICHARD

12-17-2009, 06:16 PM

Here is a chance to vote on President Barack Hussein Obama's
performance on this Economy and where he is taking this nation.
AT&T/Yahoo Poll. This totally non-partisan poll asks but one question.
The question is stated very simply and, to the point. No tricks. No hidden
messages. JUST ONE SINGLE, SIMPLE QUESTION.

http://js.polls.yahoo.com/quiz/quiziframe.php?poll_id=46067

NOTE: After you vote, you will see a second page that shows the running total
and what the opinions are of these voters .

Pass it on so that others may cast their vote.

RICHARD

12-18-2009, 06:29 PM

I finally figured out what is the matter with MSNBC and the idiots they have on that channel.

MOUTHBREATHERS.

Check out Olbermann, Rachel Madcow and Chris Matthews.

They talk until then run out of breath, then inhale audibly.

So do their guests.

It's like they are afraid of not being heard and they HAVE to use every breath to speak.

They inhale like they are drowning or suffocating.

Check it out.

I think they are afraid of being challenged or interrupte, they talk-ramble on- until they start to suffocate and then suck up a huge breath to get the brain rolling again.

RICHARD

12-29-2009, 10:59 AM

LOL, I KNOW THIS IS PETTY, but, I am "traditional" in the way I view my 'leaders'.

Put on a fricking tie.

IT takes two seconds and it makes you look presidential-not like some effing hack from a second tier country. I'll give you props for shaving the mug.......that nasty beard that A man-jam-it-dad, tries to rock makes him look like a recently divorced pre owned car salesman!;)

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LOL, now you guys can flame me about looking at the way BO dresses again.

I really cannot critique him on anything else he has not done.:confused:

RICHARD

12-29-2009, 01:06 PM

Oh,
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL,

I have to laugh about this one. I know, the guy is a dem, but that makes it even tastier.....

BTW, I'd clown on the Repubs too, but they may have more sense that to show up at a public function three sheets to the wind.

I bring you Max Baucus.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12/28/mark-foley-accuses-max-baucus-of-delivering-senate-speech-drunk/?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politic sdaily.com%2F2009%2F12%2F28%2Fmark-foley-accuses-max-baucus-of-delivering-senate-speech-drunk%2F

Wasn't Bacchus some kind of mythological drunkard?;)

Related?:eek:

Medusa

12-29-2009, 01:16 PM

RICHARD

12-29-2009, 02:42 PM

So Lieberman gets denied by Al Franken a few more seconds to finish his thought but this guy gets to blather on in this way? Nice.

It's their playhouse and their time, Bullies usually get what they want?;)

lizbud

12-29-2009, 04:55 PM

It's their playhouse and their time, Bullies usually get what they want?;)

It's only Robert's Rules Of Order. Nothing unusual about it.

McCain forgets he did this same thing in 2004.
http://www.minnpost.com/minnclips/2009/12/22/14519/recovered_c-span_video_proves_mccain_wrong_on_franken_and_lieb erman_senate-floor_issue

Grace

12-29-2009, 05:02 PM

LOL, I KNOW THIS IS PETTY, but, I am "traditional" in the way I view my 'leaders'.

Put on a fricking tie.

IT takes two seconds and it makes you look presidential-not like some effing hack from a second tier country. I'll give you props for shaving the mug.......that nasty beard that A man-jam-it-dad, tries to rock makes him look like a recently divorced pre owned car salesman!;)
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LOL, now you guys can flame me about looking at the way BO dresses again.

I really cannot critique him on anything else he has not done.:confused:

I totally agree - your complaint is petty. I actually liked that he looked less buttoned-up. Those white shirts of his drive me nuts. Is there a law that stated POTUS can wear only white shirts?

RICHARD

12-29-2009, 05:09 PM

I totally agree - your complaint is petty. I actually liked that he looked less buttoned-up. Those white shirts of his drive me nuts. Is there a law that stated POTUS can wear only white shirts?

Hokay, he's never looked presidential.

I'd rather see a president with the look of his head being squeezed out of his shirt.

IT makes him look like he's conducting business, not touring a brand new NEWclar plant in the Iranian outback.

What was the line about perception being reality?:eek::(:confused:

Grace

12-29-2009, 05:20 PM

I'd rather see a president with the look of his head being squeezed out of his shirt.

Nixon!! That's how he always looked http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/March16th/lol1.gif

Medusa

12-29-2009, 07:02 PM

It's only Robert's Rules Of Order. Nothing unusual about it.

McCain forgets he did this same thing in 2004.
http://www.minnpost.com/minnclips/2009/12/22/14519/recovered_c-span_video_proves_mccain_wrong_on_franken_and_lieb erman_senate-floor_issue

May not be unusual but it doesn't explain why Baucus got to ramble on the way he did. If others can be denied an extra 30 seconds to finish their thought, Baucus should've been yanked off the floor w/a hook for his outrageous conduct.

lizbud

12-29-2009, 07:11 PM

May not be unusual but it doesn't explain why Baucus got to ramble on the way he did. If others can be denied an extra 30 seconds to finish their thought, Baucus should've been yanked off the floor w/a hook for his outrageous conduct.

Do you honestly believe that any politician can restrict themselves to
a measy 30 seconds to explain anything?

Medusa

12-29-2009, 07:22 PM

Do you honestly believe that any politician can restrict themselves to
a measy 30 seconds to explain anything?

My point is that whether or not they can wrap it up in 30 seconds is irrelevant. They were denied the chance but Baucus got to ramble on while drunk.

Grace

12-29-2009, 07:46 PM

Medusa

12-29-2009, 10:29 PM

maybe the Senators who were present just wanted to see him make a fool of himself :)

Or there's that. ;)

lizbud

12-30-2009, 06:08 PM

I wonder - when the Senators get up to speak, they normally have a specific amount of time alloted. When Lieberman was speaking he had run out of time and wanted more. Did Baucus speak within his alloted time - without running over? That might be why he was not interrupted.

Then, again, maybe the Senators who were present just wanted to see him make a fool of himself :)

You know I just now viewed the video of Baucus's address to Congress
and am struck with the irony of who made this objection to it.

It is Mark Foley:rolleyes:, Really, it was Mark Foley.:rolleyes:

Medusa

12-30-2009, 08:12 PM

You know I just now viewed the video of Baucus's address to Congress
and am struck with the irony of who made this objection to it.

It is Mark Foley:rolleyes:, Really, it was Mark Foley.:rolleyes:

No kiddin'. Pot, meet Kettle.

RICHARD

01-05-2010, 02:48 PM

I went to sleep last night knowing that the current regime has all of the problems of airline travel under control.

Jee-zus, that was the worst night of sleep I have had in a while.:o:(

RICHARD

01-11-2010, 12:14 PM

o.k....

It's not right to say the prez lies, but some of us can agree that pointing out his not having a "negro dialect" doens't provoke the same kind of ire?:confused:

LOLOLOL,

Child please!;)

lizbud

01-11-2010, 06:16 PM

o.k....

It's not right to say the prez lies, but some of us can agree that pointing out his not having a "negro dialect" doens't provoke the same kind of ire?:confused:

LOLOLOL,

Child please!;)

I can't believe how this remark by Reid has been blown way out of proportion
by the media.

It wasn't racist to begin with, but anything to complain about, some will
take & run with it. Morons.:rolleyes:

RICHARD

01-11-2010, 06:26 PM

I can't believe how this remark by Reid has been blown way out of proportion
by the media.

It wasn't racist to begin with, but anything to complain about, some will
take & run with it. Morons.:rolleyes:

I am living on another effing planet.

That was a effing racist statement.

Just like people that tell me that I speak 'good English' because after they hear me speak Spanish they are stunned that I do not have an accent.

Child Please.

Reid is an old tyme racist and that's all there is to it.

If I said something like "white people are white because they live in the snow and don't get sun" would that get me a pass?

If that is the case, BO, NP and all their ilk are liars, cheats and effups to the nth degree.

Let's see congress censure my sorry arse.:eek::rolleyes:;)

I am watching Mark Mcgwire come clean about his steroid use.

At the moment, I believe him far more than any politician.:o

P.S.

MM just stated that Howard Waxman knew about his steroid use before the testimony at the senate hearings.

Lovely.

lizbud

01-11-2010, 07:13 PM

I am living on another effing planet.

That was a effing racist statement.

Just like people that tell me that I speak 'good English' because after they hear me speak Spanish they are stunned that I do not have an accent.

Child Please.

Reid is an old tyme racist and that's all there is to it.

If I said something like "white people are white because they live in the snow and don't get sun" would that get me a pass?

If that is the case, BO, NP and all their ilk are liars, cheats and effups to the nth degree.

If Harry Reid is quilty of anything, it's being an old white geezer using
a old white geezer dialect.:)

RICHARD

01-11-2010, 07:21 PM

If Harry Reid is quilty of anything, it's being an old white geezer using
a old white geezer dialect.:)

LOLOLOLOL,
Love you!

Before anything happens I would like to apologize to everyone who may have taken offense to what I said in the previous post.
You women out there will recognize the story.
You aren’t as strong as men, you are moody, cry at the drop of a hat, you want to stop for directions all the time…..
Reverse that. Now make yourself a woman construction worker working with mostly men?:eek:

I worked for YEARS with women who were ‘anti-man’…Imagine taking a position at work and having women walk up to you and say a male doctor ‘prefers to work/deal with women’ because now, he can’t bulldoze a gal, then bring her to tears because they didn’t make out a schedule that favors him.

I have been threatened, pushed around and humiliated because I was male……and that does not cover the idiots who would walk up to me and start telling ‘mexican’ jokes because they heard a knee slapper.

I love a great Mexican joke, but do not bring it by looking over your shoulder and whispering it to me because you are afraid of looking like you are racist.
I am 100% prejudiced against stupid people who think that racism, prejudice and hate are all hunky dory (Sorry David Bowie!) because we have a Mexican Supreme Court Justice, a Black president and a white moron named Harry Reid who blurt s out a racist comment while in the midst of a spasm of Alzheimer’s/senility.:confused::eek:;)

Give him a pass because he’s a Democrat, but keep his statement close to the vest.
Say stupid things, apologize for them …..your mind was taken over by a space alien that made you do it.

No space alien makes me talk.
But, I can admit to being stupid and flawed. Yelling out that someone “Lies” is not as terrible as accusing someone of using “street jive”.

LOLOLOLOL,
Barbara Billingsley was fantastic speaking to the brothers in the movie AIRPLANE and no one called the old white woman on the carpet for making fun of the way black people talk.
I forgot, she was make believe, Harry Reid is a real life mofo, that votes on laws for the people elected him!:eek:

Ai! Dios de mi alma!:confused::o:(

Medusa

01-11-2010, 07:56 PM

Oh yeah, Reid's statement was racist alright. It matters not his party affiliation. Racists come in all parties and they're running their mouths w/abandon. If any one of us here had made that statement, we would've been called on the carpet immediately and rightly so. We need to remove our ear plugs and actually HEAR what these politicians say. And I don't make that charge of racism lightly. It's a serious thing to say about someone.

RICHARD

01-11-2010, 08:07 PM

Gotta tell this story, again!

I went to a 'sensitivity meeting' for work and took my customary spot at the back of the room.

The woman who chaired the meeting asked the question, "Who isn't prejudiced in this room?" the three women who sat in the front row had no hesitation raising their hands and proclaiming that there were not.

Two seconds later I spoke up and said that I "loved racism".

I watched spines stiffen and they turned around in time to hear me say, "I love sit at home on Sunday's and watch the cars go round the track!"

One person's perception is another's motorsport?:rolleyes::eek:;)

blue

01-11-2010, 08:14 PM

True that there are racists on both sides. The difference is in how they are treated.

Reids statement is from last year and it was swept under the rug until now. If any GOP representative had made that statement, well..... I think we all know the media and DEM carpstorm that would have erupted.

Gotta tell this story, again!...

One person's perception is another's motorsport?:rolleyes::eek:;)

Thanks for brining the funnay!

RICHARD

01-11-2010, 09:01 PM

Here's another story that will put HR's comment into perspective.

lol, you may think that I am siding with him?

I worked at night in a hospital and had to deal with the admitting office.

I walked in one night and the clerk was trying to get some info from a Mexican couple who were expecting a child.

From around the corner I was listening to the conversation and heard the clerk ask the couple, "Que es el nombre de telephone?"

She was asking them for the name of their telephone!
I was laughing because of her frustration and her question.

With that, she walked around corner and said something about Mexicans and them not learning English.

I got effing indignant and went to translate for them. When I finished I was really ticked off and left the office.

BTW, She was about 6 foot, as Germanic as they come and had a really hard attitude when she was there-it would have been a good fight had we locked up!

I hated her with a pink and purple passion for a long time afterwards.

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Hmmm, is she really racist?

Setup? A small admitting office, desk in the middle, with chairs front and back.

Same scenario, but with a caucasian couple who were expecting.

The woman was heavy duty into the Lamaze thing. She was sucking air and kept chanting, "I am going to have my baby here!"

Ann stood up at the desk, put her closed fists on it, leaned over and hissed at the woman, "YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT BABY IN MY OFFICE!"

The woman stopped breathing and went quiet.
She had her baby in the OB ward.

Now I am thinking that this beeyotch is crazy! She hates everyone!

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As time went by, I found out that she wanted kids very badly and was unable to conceive!

AHA! She hated everyone with serviceable uterus!

Years later I told her about the "nombre" incident and we had a wonderful laugh about it.

She wasn't a racist, she was crazy!:D

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How crazy?

The day admitting clerk was a black woman who was just as mentally ill.:rolleyes::D

She was pregnant with her first child and the same night clerk told her that she was going to have a white baby.

Black babies are born pale and their skin gradually darkness at time goes on.

When the baby was delivered the woman freaked out! I could only imagine the scene from "Alien". That didn't come out of me!!!!!:eek::confused::o;)

We worked together for a few years and I learned about people, race and culture from them both. It was wonderful and always will think kindly of those two people.

We were a true rainbow coalition that never, ever hestiated to help each other out. We laughed about ourselves, our backgrounds and the color of our skin.

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Maybe HR has a problem with ebonics. I sometimes I listen to a rap song and cannot make heads or tails of the lyrics.

Does that make me racist?:eek:

lizbud

01-12-2010, 10:23 AM

Here's another story that will put HR's comment into perspective.

BTW, She was about 6 foot, as Germanic as they come

Just curious Richard, but do you see that statement as being racist ?
Lumping all Germans into a specific catagory could be called racist.

RICHARD

01-12-2010, 11:43 AM

Just curious Richard, but do you see that statement as being racist ?
Lumping all Germans into a specific catagory could be called racist.

It's part of a joke.

It's from the perspective of always wanting to wrestle with a tall German woman. The ones I have met are shorter than I am.

I was trying to be pornographic, not political.

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Seriously,

I was being racist-that's the point.

How can people ever get over themselves if they cannot be honest?

I looked at this woman and iommediately labeled her a bigot-that she looked the way she did and the tele-fono-name-o deal surely didn't help.

So, I was being racist, judgemental and probably a little sexist too.

What happens now?

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The part of racism that is blunt and kinda stupid? When people run around pointing at others about racism.

I will take anyone to task about racism and prejudice.

Here's the rub to the "Sunday/racism" story.

The class continued and the woman who headed it-she was a danged sexy Mid Eastern woman -there I go again!-looked at the three woman who had raised their hand and asked them this.....

Have you ever been behind a car with an elderly person driving?

The room laughed.

And have you ever cursed at them for driving slow?

Tee Hee!

So we were all prejudiced, at that moment, against elderly drivers.

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I worked with this guy that would stop in the office and BS for a minute.

He soon came to call me 'his n-----'.

No tension, no harm-one day I asked him, "Can I ask you a question?"

"Sure."

I prefaced the question by saying I wasn't trying to be insulting-

I said, "Aren't we all n------?"

He grinned and said something like "you got it" and the funniest part about it is that he would see me in the HALLWAY and say, "how's my n-----?" like it was nothing.

I didn't mention that he was black. Could THAT be construed as racism?

Now that we got that out the way, I did call my two co-workers 'crazy'. I hope I didn't offend anyone that suffers from mental problems, with that statement!:eek::confused::(

RICHARD

01-12-2010, 12:49 PM

http://l7world.com/2009/12/the-plurality-of-racism.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+L7world+%28L7+World%29

I loved this commercial in it's original form.

Some nerdy white dude that..

flys up in a hovercraft.
dressed like a moron.
knows who you and you wife are.
can't pronounce your name,
and wants to give you money?

I guess I am in.....

You can call me anything you want. Just make sure the name on the check is correct?

Okay?

lizbud

01-12-2010, 12:50 PM

It's part of a joke.

It's from the perspective of always wanting to wrestle with a tall German woman. The ones I have met are shorter than I am.

I was trying to be pornographic, not political.

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Seriously,

I was being racist-that's the point.

How can people ever get over themselves if they cannot be honest?

I looked at this woman and iommediately labeled her a bigot-that she looked the way she did and the tele-fono-name-o deal surely didn't help.

So, I was being racist, judgemental and probably a little sexist too.

What happens now?

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The part of racism that is blunt and kinda stupid? When people run around pointing at others about racism.

I will take anyone to task about racism and prejudice.

Here's the rub to the "Sunday/racism" story.

The class continued and the woman who headed it-she was a danged sexy Mid Eastern woman -there I go again!-looked at the three woman who had raised their hand and asked them this.....

Have you ever been behind a car with an elderly person driving?

The room laughed.

And have you ever cursed at them for driving slow?

Tee Hee!

So we were all prejudiced, at that moment, against elderly drivers.

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I worked with this guy that would stop in the office and BS for a minute.

He soon came to call me 'his n-----'.

No tension, no harm-one day I asked him, "Can I ask you a question?"

"Sure."

I prefaced the question by saying I wasn't trying to be insulting-

I said, "Aren't we all n------?"

He grinned and said something like "you got it" and the funniest part about it is that he would see me in the HALLWAY and say, "how's my n-----?" like it was nothing.

I didn't mention that he was black. Could THAT be construed as racism?

Now that we got that out the way, I did call my two co-workers 'crazy'. I hope I didn't offend anyone that suffers from mental problems, with that statement!:eek::confused::(

See how easy it is? I don't know about you , but I've been PC'd to death.
Enough already.:)

RICHARD

01-12-2010, 12:54 PM

See how easy it is? I don't know about you , but I've been PC'd to death.
Enough already.:)

Vamos a mano?:D

RICHARD

01-12-2010, 02:10 PM

I was in the kitchen and had the most racist thought imaginable.

Hey, If it wasn't for your brown skinned neighbors to the south, all you all would not have guacamole, tortilla chips, nachos or salsa to eat on Super Bowl Sunday.

You's be eating that salty brown or green onion dip made from the packet, with those nasty, saltier Ruffles potato chips.:eek::D;)

Rock on, my brothers and sisters!

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I was having a crisis of conscience...

http://www.fritolay.com/assets/images/blue/FRITOS_Bean_Dip_(Can).gif

WE invented the mashed bean, YOU put it into the can.:eek:;)

You can have that, with melted Velveeta on game day.

That's my only concession.:D:o:)

RICHARD

01-12-2010, 10:54 PM

Back to serious politics?

Someone capped a Iranian New-clear scientist in the last few days! :eek:

blue

01-12-2010, 11:15 PM

I was being racist-that's the point.

RICHARD, when did the German people become a race? :confused:

RICHARD

01-13-2010, 12:39 AM

RICHARD, when did the German people become a race? :confused:

http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic_cars_archive/70_bmw320itouringcar.jpg

Do their cars count?;):confused::eek:

I guess I am not a racist then!

blue

01-13-2010, 12:44 AM

Ill have to enter a new deffintion of racist on the UD now.

DJFyrewolf36

01-13-2010, 03:04 AM

I had to chime in on the whole HR thing...

Ive had the "privalege" of meeting the man. He struck me as a biggoted, over paid arse that had no connection to real life or how the world actually worked.

Yet Nevada has been electing him since before I was in high school :confused: :rolleyes:

And I have a feeling that his current comments will only serve to get him MORE votes.

Nevadans are cirtifiable I'm afraid...

lizbud

01-13-2010, 07:17 PM

Vamos a mano?:D

Ok, I guess.:)

RICHARD

01-13-2010, 07:30 PM

Ok, I guess.:)

LOL, My dad used that saying. It translates as "Are we going by hand?" and loosely means we will walk hand in hand. Or, we are even and saying that takes the place of a handshake.

Nothing dirty!:D

RICHARD

01-13-2010, 08:13 PM

I changed my mind, no bean dip for anyone one SB Sunday!:mad:

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http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1225332&pos=breaking

Hey!
It's the Democratic Sarah Palin!!!!!

I had to laugh, O'reilly mentioned that one of her campaign ads had the word Massachusetts spelled wrong.

lizbud

01-14-2010, 08:55 AM

LOL, My dad used that saying. It translates as "Are we going by hand?" and loosely means we will walk hand in hand. Or, we are even and saying that takes the place of a handshake.

Nothing dirty!:D

A friend told me it meant " are we even?" or "we are even" :) I knew
it wasn't dirty.

RICHARD

01-14-2010, 09:37 AM

A friend told me it meant " are we even?" or "we are even" :) I knew
it wasn't dirty.

You are taking all the fun out of it.

You ARE supposed to think it's dirty.;):D

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And for that?

Bean dip for everyone!:love:

RICHARD

01-14-2010, 11:52 AM

I am not a financially astute person.

I do know that if I put money into an ATM, go to another ATM and take it out, that they are not the same bills I deposited earlier?

BO came out this morning an stated that large financial institutions will be fined for 10 years to recoup the money due to the citizens for the bailouts they were given.

SO, as a member of a financial inst. I will pay higher fees on my accounts, so the bank can collect THAT money, pay it back to the government.

Doe this mean I just have paid twice to bail out these morons?

Am I wrong? I know I am a simpleton when it comes to the real nuts and bolts of anything financial, but I think that is what is happening!

Someone?
Please tell me I am wrong.:eek::(

Cinder & Smoke

01-14-2010, 02:41 PM

I will pay higher fees on my accounts,
so the bank can collect THAT money, pay it back to the government.

Doe this mean I just have paid twice to bail out these morons?
:eek: :(

You're really paying THREE times ...

Don't forget you also pay the "Executive Branch" of the Government
to dream up these deals!

:eek:

RICHARD

01-14-2010, 03:27 PM

You're really paying THREE times ...

Don't forget you also pay the "Executive Branch" of the Government
to dream up these deals!

:eek:

No bean dip for me.:(

Lady's Human

01-15-2010, 08:31 AM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/joe-biden-update.html

And I quote:

Joe Biden update: He meets on transparency today. But the meeting is closed

You just can't make this stuff up.

RICHARD

01-15-2010, 09:18 AM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/joe-biden-update.html

And I quote:

Joe Biden update: He meets on transparency today. But the meeting is closed

You just can't make this stuff up.

LOL, What a "circularly random insemination"!:rolleyes:

RICHARD

01-15-2010, 01:45 PM

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/15/syracuse-schoolchildren-upset-over-letter-from-obama/?icid=main|search3|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poli ticsdaily.com%2F2010%2F01%2F15%2Fsyracuse-schoolchildren-upset-over-letter-from-obama%2F

GO BACK TO YOUR BOOKS, LITTLE ONES!

The prez is trying to get money back from the banks, he is busy.:mad:

Grace

01-16-2010, 09:19 PM

From the NY Times -

An Odd Couple Defends Couples That Some (Oddly) Find Odd

By MAUREEN DOWD

SAN FRANCISCO

It has been quite a journey for Ted Olson. He’s gone from being the conservative lawyer who helped crown W. by winning the Bush v. Gore case before the Supreme Court, to being a lesbian.

“Maureen,” he told me in his gravelly voice, “one of the biggest lesbian groups in this country told me I’m already an honorary lesbian.”

Did it make you feel different, I wondered.

“I still like women very much,” he wryly replied, as his biking pal, liberal adversary and now co-counsel David Boies laughed, snacking on a crust of sourdough bread in their temporary office on Mission Street.

In 2000, Olson and Boies sparred with each other in Washington over which candidate would marry the country. Now they have joined forces here to spar with Prop 8 defenders over who can marry.

“Ted Olson and David Boies, so what are they up to?” Olson laughed, summarizing the confusion and conspiracy theories that their union inspired.

As the sun set on the Bay Bridge behind him and the curtain dropped on the first week of the dramatic trial to challenge the constitutionality of the state’s ban on same-sex marriage, Olson reviewed the case: “We’re going to explain why allowing same-sex couples to have that same right that the rest of us have is not going to hurt heterosexual marriages. It has no point at all except some people don’t want to recognize gays and lesbians as normal, as human beings.”

Boies, wearing a flag pin on his lapel, said that the state of California is engaged in “gay bashing.” He spoke intensely about the gay and lesbian plaintiffs, who offered poignant testimony about their loving relationships and about wanting to be liked and accepted: “These people are people you would want your child to grow up and marry. You can be a child molester and get married. You can be a wife beater and get married. You can be a child-support scofflaw and get married. The importance of that emotional relationship is so vital to the pursuit of happiness that even prison felons, who aren’t really procreating, have a right to get married.”

Noting the rabid effort being made to restrict marriage to only those who can protect its sanctity, a chuckling Olson reeled off some names: “Tiger Woods, Eliot Spitzer, Mark Sanford, Kobe Bryant, Bill Clinton.”

I asked Olson if he misted up, as many in the courtroom did, when Jeff Zarrillo, a 36-year-old manager at AMC Entertainment, testified that he loved his partner “probably more than I love myself.”

“Yes,” Olson replied, noting that he finds himself getting weepy a lot, including when a bright lawyer in his Washington law firm approached him in the library to tell him she was a lesbian mother of two and she was grateful to him.

“I think there’s something the matter with you if you don’t care enough to feel the suffering that they’ve been through and if you’re not emotionally upset about the fact that we’re doing an immense amount of harm to people,” he said. “We’re not treating them like Americans. We’re not treating them like citizens.”

Boies said the problem was generational, and they have to try the case before judges their own age who might find it hard to move beyond old prejudices. (Although this judge, a libertarian-tilting George H. W. Bush appointee, Vaughn Walker, who likes to hire magicians for the court’s annual dinner, has been so accommodating to their side that Ed Meese complained he was tilting the case.)

“I’ve got a grandson who’s a senior in college, and he can’t imagine fighting over this issue,” Boies said. “It’s like explaining to my daughter that there was a time when women didn’t have the right to vote and couldn’t own property.”

The anti-gay-marriage proponents whipped up a moral frenzy in 2008, suggesting conjugal parity would harm children, summon the devil, tear down churches and melt civilization. But Olson argued in his opening statement that the discrimination gays experience “weakens our moral fiber in this country.”

While Charles Cooper, the lawyer on the anti-gay-marriage side, cited President Obama’s declaration that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, Olson noted that Obama’s parents could not have married in Virginia before he was born.

I asked the lawyers if they were disappointed that the president who had once raised such hope in the gay community now seemed behind the curve.

“Damned right,” Boies snapped. “I hope my Democratic president will catch up to my conservative Republican co-counsel.”

Olson added: “I’m not talking about Obama, but that’s what’s so bad about politicians. They say, ‘I must hasten to follow them, for I am their leader.’”

Obama sees himself as such a huge change that he can be cautious about other societal changes. But what he doesn’t realize is that legalizing gay marriage is like electing a black president. Before you do it, it seems inconceivable. Once it’s done, you can’t remember what all the fuss was about.

RICHARD

01-16-2010, 10:20 PM

From the NY Times -

Ever notice the pic of Maureen in the paper makes her look good, but when she goes on T.V., she's not all that?

blue

01-16-2010, 11:37 PM

Cant we get .gov out of the marriage business? No more treating married couples different from other couples or even single people. What happened to equal protection?

blue

01-17-2010, 02:12 AM

A Comparison of cultures?

Myleene Klass is said to be 'aghast' after receiving a police warning for using a kitchen knife to scare intruders at her Hertfordshire home. Photograph: Richard Saker

The TV presenter and Marks & Spencer model Myleene Klass has been warned by police for waving a knife at teenagers who were peering into a window of her house late at night.

Klass was in the kitchen with her daughter upstairs when she spotted the youths in her garden just after midnight on Friday. She grabbed a knife and banged the windows before they ran away.

Hertfordshire police warned her she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an "offensive weapon", even in her own home, was illegal.

Klass's spokesman, Jonathan Shalit, said the former Hear'Say singer was "utterly terrified" by the intruders and "aghast" at the police warning. "All she did was scream loudly and wave the knife to try and frighten them off," he told the Sunday Telegraph. "She is not looking to be a vigilante, and has the utmost respect for the law, but when the police explained to her that even if you're at home alone and you have an intruder, you are not allowed to protect yourself, she was bemused."

The warning issued to the model comes after a pledge by the Conservative party last month that they would make it more difficult for people who tackle burglars to be prosecuted.

The shadow home secretary, Chris Grayling, spoke out after Munir Hussain was jailed for beating a man who tied up his family in their home. He and his brother used a cricket bat to beat one of the intruders, who was left with a permanent brain injury.

A spokeswoman for Hertfordshire police said no reference was made in the Klass incident report about a weapon. She said the incident was being treated as trespass and "words of advice were given in relation to ensuring suspicious behaviour is reported immediately".

Klass, whose fiance, Graham Quinn, was away on business at the time of the scare, plans to step up security at the property, near Potters Bar.
guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/10/myleene-klass-knife-intruders/print).

PALMVIEW — An 11-year-old boy shot a man who broke into his home north of the city early Friday.

Three men burst into the house near the intersection of Minnesota Road and 8 Mile Line just before 12:30 a.m., Hidalgo County sheriff’s deputies said.

The child and his mother were hiding in a bedroom when the gunmen tried to force their way in. One of the men shot through the door, striking the boy in the groin area.

The child, who was carrying a .22-caliber rifle, shot back, hitting one of the criminals in the neck. The men fled the scene shortly thereafter, investigators said.

Both the boy and the injured attacker remained hospitalized Friday afternoon. Authorities said the child was in stable condition and was expected to make a full recovery.

The wounded burglar was transferred to a San Antonio hospital under police guard.

Deputies have detained two other men believed to be involved in the attack.

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Jeremy Roebuck covers courts and general assignments for The Monitor. You can reach him at (956) 683-4437.

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The ‘Castle Law’ in Texas

Texas Senate Bill 378, which Republican Gov. Rick Perry signed into law March 27, 2007, extended a person’s right to use deadly force for self-defense beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces. The law took effect Sept. 1, 2007, and allows for the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is doing one or more of the following:

>> Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes.

>> Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place.

>> Unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.

The law also provides civil immunity for a person who lawfully uses deadly force in these circumstances. The use of deadly force is not lawful when it is used to provoke or if the victim commits a crime other than a Class C misdemeanor.

Source: Office of Gov. Rick Perry

Link. (http://www.themonitor.com/articles/boy-34427-home-invasion.html)

RICHARD

01-18-2010, 11:22 AM

Hertfordshire police warned her she should not have used a knife to scare off the youths because carrying an "offensive weapon", even in her own home, was illegal.

So,
Why not ban a fist as an 'offensive weapon', matches or lighters to keep arson down?

Wow,

blue

01-18-2010, 09:19 PM

RICHARD

01-18-2010, 09:22 PM

People who practice martial arts in the UK are the next to be registered and controlled, as weapons. :p

Have you seen Steve Seagal lately?

That dude practices eating now, no harm there.:D:o;)

blue

01-18-2010, 09:26 PM

Have you seen Steve Seagal lately?

That dude practices eating now, no harm there.:D:o;)

Is Chuck Norris allowed in the UK, how about his movies?

RICHARD

01-19-2010, 01:29 AM

:rolleyes:
Is Chuck Norris allowed in the UK, how about his movies?

He's in shape, Seagal, not so much. DVDs 12.99!:D

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http://cbs4denver.com/wireapnewsco/Denver.school.district.2.1430764.html

I think it was more of an insult to MLK by serving that heat-and-serve chicken and frozen veggies, plus it's cafeteria food.:eek::confused:

Uh, as long as they serve burritos or tacos on May 5th or September 19th, I'm down with it.

Cafeteria taco and burritos are the worst crap on the planet. I would cringe when we'd have lunch and white friends would buy the burritos and drown them in the sauce that came out of little packets then say something like, "That was good...."

Fried chicken? Probably just after it was packed in giant boxes that say, "Chicken, Fried, 100 pcs."

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The National Basketball Association commemorated MLK's b-day by letting one player on each team wear of pair of Special MLK memorial sneakers.

That's one way to honor a historical figure., 250 dollar tennis shoes.

Puckstop31

01-19-2010, 08:54 PM

Now that the Democrats no longer have a filibuster proof majority...

Who wants to explain to me why a bunch of currently seated members of that party STILL want to force this healthcare bill through. In their own words, "no matter what"?

A "healthcare" bill that really just benefits to big evil, for profit, insurance companies?

Surreal is a good word I think....

RICHARD

01-19-2010, 08:59 PM

Now that the Democrats no longer have a filibuster proof majority...

Who wants to explain to me why a bunch of currently seated members of that party STILL want to force this healthcare bill through. In their own words, "no matter what"?

They have no choice, lobbyist checks have cleared!?!?!?!:eek::confused::o

Grace

01-19-2010, 09:44 PM

Nancy and Harry are going to be so unhappy . . . . .

Senator Jim Webb puts out a statement that puts the notion of a quick Senate vote out of reach and pretty much makes a certification fight moot:

In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated.

blue

01-19-2010, 09:48 PM

Did you find that at TPM or at DU?

Either way the meltdown at DU and the rest of the hard lefties continues. :D

RICHARD

01-19-2010, 09:49 PM

Don't ---- with the Truck.

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The whispers and hands of the Dems shoving Coakley in front of the bus ticks me off.

No one wants to accept any blame for the loss-let the woman swim, she'll get tired and the sharks will get her, later on.

What a bunch of pansies-the sent the "big gun" out to stump for her and all she got was a *pew, pew" reminiscent of the "Cat Tank" on ICHC.

Chivalry may be dead.

I am going to kiss my truck in a bit.

Grace

01-19-2010, 09:53 PM

Did you find that at TPM or at DU?

Either way the meltdown at DU and the rest of the hard lefties continues. :D

I found it at Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/On_to_Plan_C.html).

blue

01-19-2010, 09:56 PM

I found it at Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/On_to_Plan_C.html).

Ah.

I can see Nancy and Reid throwing things and stomping their tiny feet at this outcome.

Puckstop31

01-19-2010, 10:01 PM

Nancy and Harry are going to be so unhappy . . . . .

"In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated."

If they (the "D"'s) STILL try to force it through....

RICHARD

01-19-2010, 10:05 PM

Ah.

I can see Nancy and Reid throwing things and stomping their tiny feet at this outcome.

LOL, gnashing of teeth, too?

Bwahahahaha,
msnbc has Nora and Rachel trying to make people believe that was a soft serve cone, not a waffle cone filled with poop.

I said it before, It will not be long before they start turning on themselves and eating their young.

John Kerry's next?

Nancy Pelosi is on the menu too.

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http://www.ihatethemedia.com/scott-brown-wife-could-kick-your-ass?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ihatethemedia+%28I+Hate+the+M edia%29

Puckstop31

01-19-2010, 10:28 PM

Last comment for tonight. (The Sabres are rallying well.)

The more I read the comments from DailyKos... WOW. How do conservative/libertarians like me get called "haters"? These people are talking about how to get around the Constitution to get their agenda done.

Just WOW.

Oh and LOL at all the morons still making fun of the "teabaggers". Ignore/denegrate 'us' at thy peril, crazy lefties. Its VERY good for us/them that you think so little of us. Your mocking of us/them is indeed a blessing.

RICHARD

01-19-2010, 10:45 PM

Oh and LOL at all the morons still making fun of the "teabaggers". Ignore/denegrate 'us' at thy peril, crazy lefties. Its VERY good for us/them that you think so little of us. Your mocking of us/them is indeed a blessing.

LOL, thanks for posting this.....

Teabaggers?

Who are the Teabagees? :confused::o:(

blue

01-19-2010, 10:46 PM

The more I read the comments from DailyKos... WOW. How do conservative/libertarians like me get called "haters"?

Just WOW.

They dont look at themselves in the "mirror" with their posts and behavior.

blue

01-19-2010, 10:47 PM

Who are the Teabagees? :confused::o:(

The Dems? :confused:

They do seem to encourage that type of behavior.

RICHARD

01-19-2010, 11:04 PM

The Dems? :confused:

They do seem to encourage that type of behavior.

DONE!

I was watching the gal from Fla?

Debbie Schultz? She pushed Coakley under the bus, then did a little stilleto dance on her corpse, just to be sure.

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I listened to the MB's speech and he said all the right things. He is a politician and god knows what lies he's told?

But, It's good to see that the momentum is on the teabaggers side.

My last comment?

"STEEP THIS!":confused:;):D

http://www.mortonsantiques.com/2235a.JPG

RICHARD

01-21-2010, 02:02 PM

I do know my steeped beverages!

Grace

01-21-2010, 04:05 PM

Speaking of Tea Party people - their eminent convention is drawing some raised eyebrows and protests.

The convention is being held at a fancy resort, features $550 ticket prices, a steak and lobster dinner and a guest speaker with a $100,000 speaking fee. It’s sponsored by a for-profit company with a mysterious wealthy benefactor, and its organizers, who have been accused of secrecy and corruption, have threatened lawsuits against dissenters and clamped down on news coverage.

Sounds like just the kind of thing that tea party activists, whose populist outrage is directed at the Washington and Wall Street establishments, would be up in arms over.

Except it’s a tea party convention.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31816.html#ixzz0dHqyPj0m

The article is long but interesting. Seems that politics are the same no matter the name of the party.

Lady's Human

01-21-2010, 04:33 PM

Sorry, but until there are major changes to the political system (And a sincere thanks to the USSC for today's decision), money is the mother's milk of politics. How do you get your message out? Advertise. How do you pay for the advertising?.......................

The tea parties were not really an organized movement in the beginning, and are not a political party. It's a bunch of voters who have had enough. To identify them as a Republican movement of a Democrat movement would be a grave mistake, as both have been involved.

It's not as much about the ideology as the fact that Washington, DC has to change the way they do business.

The vote in MA Tuesday reflects that. To say AG Coakley appeared to be detached and callous toward the voters would be an understatement, and she paid for it.

RICHARD

01-21-2010, 04:51 PM

Sorry, but until there are major changes to the political system (And a sincere thanks to the USSC for today's decision), money is the mother's milk of politics.

And just look at the 'boobs' that are involved?

lizbud

01-21-2010, 06:08 PM

It's not as much about the ideology as the fact that Washington, DC has to change the way they do business.

The vote in MA Tuesday reflects that. To say AG Coakley appeared to be detached and callous toward the voters would be an understatement, and she paid for it.

The Dem defeat in the election was their own fault. MC was a bad
choice as candidate. I understand she is a great Prosecutor, but was
not a good politican. She wasn't good at "meet & greets" and came
across as a Lawyer & not a Political Candidate who smiles & kisses babies.:)

Since Mass already has a progressive health plan, I don't know how much the HC bill
in the works had to do with the turn out, or lack of it there.

RICHARD

01-21-2010, 06:13 PM

Why stand in front -enway in the -reezing cold?:confused:

RICHARD

01-26-2010, 11:53 PM

I am oh-so-interested in tomorrow night's speech.

don't miss it.

blue

01-27-2010, 12:00 AM

I am oh-so-interested in tomorrow night's speech.

don't miss it.

He needs to stop campaigning and start Leading.

He took telepromters to a elementary school.

blue

01-27-2010, 12:30 AM

Where is the outrage about Edwards fathering a child not only out of wed lock but outside of his marriage?

message here

RICHARD

01-27-2010, 08:20 PM

(The bailout) was as popular as a root canal.

At least I know when the root canal is over and how much it costs?

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Let me pitch in for the bank fees, I feel obligated.

Check it out -All the morons stood up.

blue

01-27-2010, 08:22 PM

Even the Big O cant keep a straight face through the SOUA.

RICHARD

01-28-2010, 05:51 PM

The Conan O'bama Show (Comedy/Variety) 2010-
O'bama tries his hand at comedy and politics. Special Guest Stars Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and a cameo appearance by Supreme Court Justice Alioto.
(90 minutes)

RICHARD

02-04-2010, 03:41 PM

Another reason the Women of Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah need to be moved out of office?

Dianne Feinstein was on CSPAN discussing some terrorist idiot and kept referring to him as Mr......

Then something came up about bringing this idiot terrorist's parents to the U.S. to get him to talk.

Look, Why not bring the parents of suspected terrorists to the States BEFORE they bomb us. Or would they kill their parents anyway?:rolleyes:

RICHARD

02-08-2010, 02:23 PM

People are crumbimg on Sara Palin because she wrote on her hand?

I guess setting up electronic telepromters so you do not um and ah your way thru a speech is o.k.?

lizbud

02-08-2010, 04:45 PM

People are crumbimg on Sara Palin because she wrote on her hand?

I guess setting up electronic telepromters so you do not um and ah your way thru a speech is o.k.?

She can write? :D Will wonders never cease.

p.s. She uses a h in her name.

RICHARD

02-08-2010, 05:04 PM

She can write? :D Will wonders never cease.

p.s. She uses a h in her name.

It did look kinda scribbly..;)

I have an 'h' in my name, what does say about me?:(:confused::o

pomtzu

02-08-2010, 05:29 PM

It did look kinda scribbly..;)

I have an 'h' in my name, what does say about me?:(:confused::o

Well-------if you didn't have it, then we would have to call you RICARD - right??? :confused:
Guess you should have used Spellcheck for Mrs. Palin. :rolleyes:

lizbud

02-10-2010, 05:05 PM

People should not be encouraging this woman to run for any political
office.At her recent speech at a tea party event, she suggested that
President Obama should "play the war card" with Iran. :rolleyes: She actually
says this with a straight face. Looney tunes.:rolleyes:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/palin_won_close_door_on_presidential_0BgvBxWKaMdK9 CGNuTwoJL

lizbud

02-10-2010, 06:51 PM

I'd like to nominate ex-Senator John Edwards for the Sleaze Of The Year.
Every new revelation in the news brings him more shame. :(:(:mad:

RICHARD

02-10-2010, 07:19 PM

I'd like to nominate ex-Senator John Edwards for the Sleaze Of The Year.
Every new revelation in the news brings him more shame. :(:(:mad:

Now, that's pretty sexist.....;)

It's his own businses.

Why does JE's personal life rate higher than say.....Ah, A golf pro?:eek::);)

There is a god and he's an Independent!

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Why is the White House press secretary writing stuff on his palm, won't the prez lend him a prompter?:(:eek:

smokey the elder

02-11-2010, 01:43 PM

"milk, bread, eggs..." That's what he wrote.:D

RICHARD

02-11-2010, 05:39 PM

"milk, bread, eggs..." That's what he wrote.:D

I thought he wrote 'brains'......:D

RICHARD

02-16-2010, 03:16 PM

Clean green energy....

Now this is the new issue being touted by BO.

Ugh...This is another EPIC FAIL for the government.....

We want clean energy and I do not mind paying for it.

It's the NIMBYs that screw everything up.

They want clean energy but don't want the plant or power lines running thru their back yards...

Again, Offer them a discount to run the wires thru the town or neighborhood and see how fast they would like to have a 240 line strung up their rears...Otherwise shut up and go with it.

jeezus, what a cluster insemination.:rolleyes:

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I HATE POLITICAL BUZZWORDS/SAYINGS.

Ugh,

Stay the course, NUK CLear and now "audacity".....

I was watching some stupid commercial when the "A" word pops up in the ad...

Please, Hope and Change don't work, I find audacity on the same track. slowly going no where. If I seen the commercial again I'll be sure to remember to see what they were selling!

lizbud

02-16-2010, 04:56 PM

Bye Bye, Evan Bayh. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.:rolleyes:

RICHARD

02-16-2010, 05:57 PM

Bye Bye, Evan Bayh. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.:rolleyes:

What is the deal with that? That was a pretty strange quote to go out on.:(:eek:

RICHARD

02-16-2010, 07:52 PM

Puckstop31

02-16-2010, 09:54 PM

Keith Olbermann is an idiot.

He reported some politician who chased a raccoon out of his house then shot with a Desert Eagle rifle.....

Now, I don't condone shooting raccoons with rifles that don't exist.

What a moron.:D

And how. You'd think, sooner or later, he would get tired of getting spanked. But then again, sociopaths never do I guess.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/?p=651

(Ye of the left-ish thingy... BEFORE you just dimiss a link to Glenn Beck's website, do something different... Actually READ what is posted here. We read what your people write, gladly I might add.)

RICHARD

02-16-2010, 11:03 PM

And how. You'd think, sooner or later, he would get tired of getting spanked. But then again, sociopaths never do I guess.

He came back after the commercial break and retracted the statement -
Duh, I was just informed by my staff that a Desert Eagle's a pistol...

I was listening to a internet radio program and the hosts were talking about him. One was laughing at him because during the time he was here doing sports? The station had to DRIVE him to events....KO doesn't drive.

Here in El Lay? That amounts to being a non entity!:eek:;)

Grace

02-16-2010, 11:05 PM

What's wrong with us - from the NY Times.

sometimes I think we're focused on all the wrong things (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/opinion/16herbert.html)

RICHARD

02-16-2010, 11:10 PM

What's wrong with us - from the NY Times.

sometimes I think we're focused on all the wrong things (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/opinion/16herbert.html)

Every week a water main breaks in Lost Angeles, Tonight Drew Carey's house was in danger...:eek::confused:

Grace

02-17-2010, 06:58 AM

Could this man be your next Governor :D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100217/ap_on_el_gu/us_california_governor_zsa_zsa_s_husband

Medusa

02-17-2010, 07:06 AM

What's wrong with us - from the NY Times.

sometimes I think we're focused on all the wrong things (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/opinion/16herbert.html)

This article takes me for a ride in the way back machine. I took classes in Pittsburgh, PA and at one point our bus would have to cross a bridge that was so old and unsafe that our driver would tell us to get out and walk across the bridge and he'd pick us up on the other side. I've never heard whether that bridge collapsed or was repaired before that happened.

RICHARD

02-17-2010, 09:19 AM

This article takes me for a ride in the way back machine. I took classes in Pittsburgh, PA and at one point our bus would have to cross a bridge that was so old and unsafe that our driver would tell us to get out and walk across the bridge and he'd pick us up on the other side. I've never heard whether that bridge collapsed or was repaired before that happened.

Oh,

That certainly gives the old "I walked to school...." story a new twist!:eek:

--------

Grace...

Worse?

Zsa Zsa as first lady....:eek:

cassiesmom

02-20-2010, 03:47 PM

What's wrong with us - from the NY Times.

sometimes I think we're focused on all the wrong things (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/opinion/16herbert.html)

We got some repairs because of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. There are still places that need improvement, though. There is one stretch of Route 66 that I drive every day, it's maintained by the Illinois highway department, and I noticed yesterday t hat they came through and patched potholes again. It doesn't need patching, it needs to be re-surfaced because it gets so much traffic on the way to and from I-55 and 294.

lizbud

02-22-2010, 06:44 PM

I was unsure what to expect from the new Rep. Senator from
Massachusetts. but if this is any indication, it's a very good start.:)

ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf reports: So much for Scott Brown the Republican savior. In his third vote as a Senator, Brown vote against Republicans, helping break a filibuster on a jobs promotion bill crafted by Democrats.

“I came to Washington to be an independent voice, to put politics aside, and to do everything in my power to help create jobs for Massachusetts families. This Senate jobs bill is not perfect. I wish the tax cuts were deeper and broader, but I voted for it because it contains measures that will help put people back to work,” said Brown in a written statement before the vote, although he criticized the “continuation of politics-as-usual in the drafting of this bill.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid praised Brown after the vote.

“I hope this is the beginning of a new day in the US Senate,” said Reid at 6:13.

“Whether that new day is because of the new Senator from Massachusetts or someone else, I don’t know,” Reid said.

Along with Brown, Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, George Voinovich of Ohio, and Kit Bond of Missouri also voted with Democrats.

A total of five Republicans voted against the filibuster. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska, voted with Republicans.

The final vote – 62 to 30.

The bill, with a price tag of $15 billion, includes a bipartisan tax credits proposal for businesses hiring new workers as well as several other tax measures. Senate Majority Harry Reid dropped a more bipartisan $85 billion proposal that had been crafted by Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa. Their bill was more focused on tax measures and as part of the compromise included popular tax measures that had nothing to do with jobs creation. Reid said he felt the message had been muddled.

Reid also stripped out a planned further extensions of federal unemployment insurance and COBRA. Democrats will now have take up those matters separately (creating another chance to say they are voting to help workers) in several weeks.

The current Senate bill created the strange situation of seeing Republicans criticizing Democrats for going with a pared down bill.

Here is Democrats’ memo on their jobs bill.

It contains four main elements, as described by Democrats:

1) reduce the cost to employers who hire new employees with a tax break for any employer who hires an employee who has been out of work for at least 60 days;

2) enhance the write-off that small businesses can take for purchases of certain equipment, freeing up capital to grow and hire workers;

3) expand the Build America Bonds model by making it available to existing Tax Credit Bonds, which provides the bond holder with a federal tax credit in lieu of interest; and

4) extend the surface transportation programs (SAFETEA-LU) through the end of the year.

The bill will now have to be debated and get a final vote, perhaps later this week. If it passes, it would have to be reconciled with a more than $100 billion House jobs bill.

The headline in this vote is certainly that Scott Brown, whose election Republicans should “exalt in,” according to Mitt Romney last week, voted with Democrats to break a Republican filibuster.

In a strange Senate floor speech, Reid asked Republicans to support the bill in part because men who are out of work are abusive.

“It is remarkable that we have to hold a procedural vote on bill that will create jobs. it will be regrettable if the minority prevents us from moving forward to take that first step and giving millions of unemployed Americans the hope that tomorrow will be better than yesterday. Think what it is, Mr. President, for someone to get up in the morning and have no place to go to work -- to work. I have met with some people dealing with domestic abuse. It has gotten out of hand. Why? Men don't have jobs. Women don't have jobs either -- but women aren't abusive -- most of the time. Men when they're out of work tend to become abusive. Our domestic crisis centers in Nevada are crowded,” he said.

February 22, 2010

Puckstop31

02-22-2010, 09:28 PM

It contains four main elements, as described by Democrats:

1) reduce the cost to employers who hire new employees with a tax break for any employer who hires an employee who has been out of work for at least 60 days;

2) enhance the write-off that small businesses can take for purchases of certain equipment, freeing up capital to grow and hire workers;

3) expand the Build America Bonds model by making it available to existing Tax Credit Bonds, which provides the bond holder with a federal tax credit in lieu of interest; and

4) extend the surface transportation programs (SAFETEA-LU) through the end of the year.

Like I said a long time ago.... Government by Lawyers and Professors who have spent almost ZERO time in the real world.

Tell me, anyone, which of these things increases a customers willingness to buy products or services? It might make it easier to hire, but what SMART business person hires when there is no work for them to do?

Sure, the roads will get fixed up all nice and purdy. (Just like I said a year ago...) But when the roads get fixed and the bridges get fixed... And all that freshly printed money is still out there, chasing the original amount of goods and/or services... What happens?

The answer is easy... Its happened time and again during the course of history.

:confused:

Puckstop31

02-22-2010, 09:53 PM

An essay on debt....

Is there anyone out there who doesn’t think our fiscal house is about to slide into the ocean?

Whether one accepts the government’s estimates of a national debt that nears $10 trillion, or whether one thinks the numbers provided by Richard Fisher of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, which includes all the “unfunded” parts of Medicare (A, B, and D) at another $85.6 trillion, for a total of $95.6 trillion, the United States faces a staggering level of debt. And Fisher’s numbers do not include Social Security, which now, for the first time, has seen its out-flows exceed its income, and which adds another $10 trillion (at least) to the totals. The Medicare debt alone would stick each American family of four with a bill of $1.3 million, or about 25 times the average household’s income. Taken together, these levels of debt exceed the Gross National Product of probably half the nations in the world put together.

But history offers some hope. The young republic of the United States of America faced an equally daunting debt bomb in 1788, and, perhaps given the new nation’s utter lack of credit history, an even greater challenge than we face today. But the Founders dug their way out to the point of fiscal solvency fairly quickly, and within a decade the nation was viewed as a sterling credit risk. How was this possible?

It began with Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton—often a punching bag for some conservatives because of his big-government proclivities. But Hamilton knew that the only way to establish credit was to pay your bills. The situation confronting the United States, coming out of the Revolutionary War and the Articles of Confederation, was this: states had issued their own debt—some more, some less than others—and the United States, through the Continental Congress had also accumulated debts. Hamilton insisted the nation had to pay them all, and that a policy of “assumption” was the only sure way to convince foreign investors that we were an honorable Republic and not a banana republic! Despite fierce battles, he carried the day in Congress: the U.S. would pay all debts accumulated by the national and state governments. But how? Hamilton’s genius showed in his next maneuver, as he knew he needed to attract the “monied men,” as he called them. He structured a “menu” of new bond/debt options, in which longer-term debts received higher returns. Thus, if an investor had little confidence in the United States, he took short-term bonds which paid off less; and if an investor thought the nation would survive and prosper, he bought long-term bonds with their higher payoff. Throughout it all, Hamilton, contrary to popular opinion, did not wish to see the country saddled with debt. He said debt “is perhaps the NATURAL DISEASE of all governments,” and his first actions as Treasury Secretary were designed to reduce the nation’s indebtedness.[ii]

Hamilton’s restructuring of the debt on the surface may have resembled what Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of “Koli-for-nya” did in 2004, but only on the surface. Hamilton ensured that payments on the debt went to the oldest debt first, and through a “sinking fund,” no new debt could be contracted until the old debt had been settled—in essence setting the United States up with an “American Express” version of credit instead of a Mastercard/Visa “revolving” credit line. So while the U.S. indebtedness remained at about $83 million when Thomas Jefferson became president, the payments on interest remained at a minimum.

In part, Hamilton also knew that he could count on those whom he knew well—President George Washington, plus John Adams, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson (two men quite likely to hold the office in the future)—to limit spending and to practice federal frugality. Indeed they did. They ran the government with a handful of secretaries and a few hundred public officials; they carefully watched expenditures, with the largest being the construction of four large frigates under Adams and Thomas Jefferson’s purchase of Louisiana for $15 million. Yet despite the Louisiana Purchase, Jefferson still managed to slice more than one-quarter off the national debt.

All the Founders recognized that for the “monied men” to ally with the new nation, it had to honor its contracts (which it did through assumption); it had to establish a sound currency (which it did by adopting a gold standard and coining money along the Spanish system of tens and fives); and by paying its debts, which it did. By the presidency of Andrew Jackson, the nation had a surplus, but more important, it had a sterling credit record, and investment money flowed into the new nation. Hamilton, Washington, Adams, Madison, and Jefferson had all adroitly kept the “Revolutionary Debt Bomb” from exploding, and instead leveraged it for the growth of future generations. The key was confidence—confidence in the fiscal frugality and restraint of the leaders, confidence by the business sector in the government. Do either of those exist today?

While the numbers are staggering, like all numbers they matter little compared to the “animal spirits” of entrepreneurship, investment, and business growth. A sunny Ronald Reagan dug the U.S. out of deep straits just 30 years ago. The Founders, operating with even less, founded a nation on confidence and freedom, and the lessons of history tell us that such turnarounds can occur if the nation is determined to once again defuse its debt bomb.

[I]Larry Schweikart

University of Dayton

wombat2u2004

02-23-2010, 06:37 PM

I was unsure what to expect from the new Rep. Senator from
Massachusetts. but if this is any indication, it's a very good start.:)

It contains four main elements, as described by Democrats:

1) reduce the cost to employers who hire new employees with a tax break for any employer who hires an employee who has been out of work for at least 60 days;

2) enhance the write-off that small businesses can take for purchases of certain equipment, freeing up capital to grow and hire workers;

3) expand the Build America Bonds model by making it available to existing Tax Credit Bonds, which provides the bond holder with a federal tax credit in lieu of interest; and

4) extend the surface transportation programs (SAFETEA-LU) through the end of the year.

A good read Lizbud.
Any incentive to get the unemployed into the workforce again has got to be good.
Wom

lizbud

02-23-2010, 07:01 PM

A good read Lizbud.
Any incentive to get the unemployed into the workforce again has got to be good.
Wom

It makes good sense to me too. Incentives for small businesses to help
them hire more people. Can't be a consumer until you have a job and the
money to spend.

wombat2u2004

02-24-2010, 01:53 AM

It makes good sense to me too. Incentives for small businesses to help
them hire more people. Can't be a consumer until you have a job and the
money to spend.

They have a system like that here in the building industry. You hire an apprentice, you get a lump sum incentive from the govt to begin with, and another one at the end of the apprenticeship. All of the education for the apprentice is nearly free.
It gets the kid off the street, it gets him paying taxes, he has a career, it makes the industry more competitive.
I had apprentices......why shouldn't I give them a job ??? Someone hired me as an apprentice when I first started......it's called giving something back.
The system has been working well here for years. Way to go.;)

Puckstop31

02-24-2010, 07:07 AM

That is all well and good Wom.... Only, the problem right now is not a lack of trained people in the workforce. The problem is lack of work for them to do.

History shows that Kensyian Economics (Government 'Stimulus') is only ever a very short term bump.

History also tells us that the way out is to simply let the people and businesses keep more of their money to spend for themselves.

Grace

02-26-2010, 01:20 PM

Mayor of Mississauga since 1978 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY79KbCptTo

This is from last year, and she is still in office. Wonder if she has a twin??

lizbud

02-26-2010, 04:56 PM

Three Cheers for Hazel.:D I loved the video. I wish she lived in
the USA, she would get my vote.:)

wombat2u2004

02-26-2010, 07:57 PM

Mayor of Mississauga since 1978 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY79KbCptTo

This is from last year, and she is still in office. Wonder if she has a twin??

Wow, what a lady. Now there is someone who looks after business the right way....and she probably works just for a wage.
I love to see people like that who probably just keep out of the limelight and do their job properly.
So how come across the border they vote for people like Al Gore ??? :D

RICHARD

03-03-2010, 12:55 PM

BO just walked out to promote his NEW AND IMPROVED, health care reform bill.

He gets a bunch of people dressed up in hospital coats and scrubs.

Like, do the props really help make his point and how much time does his staff waste on stupid crap like that?

A few months ago his staff was busted for handing out doctor's coats during a news conference on health care.

Sometime I suspect that his agenda is more "propish" with smoke and mirrors that it is of substance.

Politics as theater.

Interesting.

------------

He's wasted a year trying to reform HC as if the world was going to end if it doesn't.

Sheesh.

caseysmom

03-03-2010, 02:23 PM

The world could end for some if they have no healthcare.

wombat2u2004

03-03-2010, 02:29 PM

lizbud

03-03-2010, 05:11 PM

The world could end for some if they have no healthcare.

How right you are.:(

RICHARD

03-03-2010, 08:53 PM

The will end for all of us eventually.
Matter of fact I don't plan on being here forever.

At times, health care just makes matters worse, check it out.:rolleyes:

wombat2u2004

03-03-2010, 11:59 PM

The will end for all of us eventually.
Matter of fact I don't plan on being here forever.

At times, health care just makes matters worse, check it out.:rolleyes:

You may not be here forever Richard, but your poetry will be.:D
In fact, we have your epitath already worked out.

"Here Lies Richard
The poet of PT
Others would have sold them
Richard gave them for free."

RICHARD -------- 19-- to 20--
Sadly Missed by Koko

RICHARD

03-04-2010, 09:12 AM

You may not be here forever Richard, but your poetry will be.:D
In fact, we have your epitath already worked out.

"Here Lies Richard
The poet of PT
Others would have sold them
Richard gave them for free."

RICHARD -------- 19-- to 20--
Sadly Missed by Koko

Oh, the Humanity?:D

wombat2u2004

03-04-2010, 06:52 PM

Oh, the Humanity?:D

Humans ??? Where ??? Someone told me this was a pet site !!!:p

Puckstop31

03-05-2010, 10:40 PM

LOL

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/05/AR2010030502974.html

I love it when the lefty media tries to spin a turd.

Sure, cuts taxes... Great idea.... But JUST LIKE BUSH DID, keep spending money that is not there.

You'd think they are trying to bankrupt the country.

blue

03-05-2010, 10:43 PM

LOL

You'd think they are trying to bankrupt the country.

Maybe thats the change they voted for.

lizbud

03-06-2010, 06:37 PM

History shows that Kensyian Economics (Government 'Stimulus') is only ever a very short term bump.

It worked very well after WWII.

ps. it's spelled " Keynesian" economics.

blue

03-06-2010, 09:33 PM

It worked very well after WWII.

ps. it's spelled " Keynesian" economics.

Im sure you mean "During" WWII.

And it took you a week and a half to attack his spelling?

Puckstop31

03-06-2010, 10:04 PM

It worked very well after WWII.

ps. it's spelled " Keynesian" economics.

Ok.... Explain how. In as much detail as possible please. Source references would be nice... But not necessary.

What Keynesian, pardon my spelling error, policies, enacted after WW2 'worked very well'?

RICHARD

03-07-2010, 12:08 AM

Ok.... Explain how. In as much detail as possible please. Source references would be nice... But not necessary.

What Keynesian, pardon my spelling error, policies, enacted after WW2 'worked very well'?

you say poh tay toe, I say po tah toe....can we call the whole thing off?:confused::eek::o

wombat2u2004

03-07-2010, 02:26 AM

you say poh tay toe, I say po tah toe....can we call the whole thing off?:confused::eek::o

Well call em "spuds".
And we make heaps of delicacies out of them....mash, baked, fries, pies, keynesian surprise.....the possibilities are endless.

Yeah, can we throw the politics in the bin and have a spud fight instead ??
Ok....here goes...."Australian spuds are better than American spuds !!!"
Comments please !!!

Lady's Human

03-09-2010, 03:05 PM

Speaker Pelosi speaking about the latest iteration of HCR:

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation—innovation begins in the classroom—clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon.

Pass it, then read it? WTF?

I'd ask Cali to retire Speaker Pelosi, but in a way, there's just too much comedic value to see her go back to her vinyard.

RICHARD

03-09-2010, 03:22 PM

Speaker Pelosi speaking about the latest iteration of HCR:

Pass it, then read it? WTF?

I'd ask Cali to retire Speaker Pelosi, but in a way, there's just too much comedic value to see her go back to her vinyard.

Pasture! IT's kinda like a free range animal, you want it to live out it's 'usefullness' in relative ease...;)

Puckstop31

03-11-2010, 11:03 PM

Socrates say... "If you pee against wind, you get wet."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

Thank you, President Obama. Thank you for awakening the giant that is the REAL American people. The people who really know our history and know who we really are.

____

I BEG anyone to offer an oririginal, differenting opinion.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America
when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government ***, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.....

*** There are those who post here who said President Obama's election was evidence of the people, "altering and abolishing" government....

How's that hope and "change" working out for you?

I say "change", because Obama's ways have been tried before.

___

Again... PLEASE. ANYone. Tell me how what is happening is congruent with our Constitution.