Politics and religion.

[Edwina's Secretary]

so to get back on point....looks who was irritated by hecklers at town hall meetings...in fact having someone thrown out!!


PHOENIX — Sen. John McCain met with an angry crowd at a town-hall meeting about health care reform Wednesday, sometimes having to fight to talk and telling one woman who wouldn't stop yelling that she had to leave.

The Arizona senator hadn't yet opened up the meeting at McCain's central Phoenix church to questions when one audience member continuously yelled over him.

"You're going to have to stop or you're going to have to leave," McCain told the woman. When security guards approached to escort her out, he told her "Goodbye, see ya" to a round of applause.



Now...I am going to sit back and wait for those who were so incensed by the treatment of people at town hall meetings to chime in. After all...this woman just wanted to be heard...right?

[Grace]

I may be mistaken but wasn't this month the worst for casualties in Afghanistan?


Richard, August is now tied with July for most casualties (deaths). And August goes on for 4 more days.

[Edwina's Secretary]

As I recall the worst month in Iraq was sadly, 99 casualties. How does this compare?

[Grace]

As I recall the worst month in Iraq was sadly, 99 casualties. How does this compare?

Fortunately the total is about half that number. 44 to date, to be exact. July had 45. However, the total for this year, to this point, is more than in all of 2008.

I think one was too many.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I think one was too many.

Emphatically agree!

[blue]

so to get back on point....looks who was irritated by hecklers at town hall meetings...in fact having someone thrown out!!



Now...I am going to sit back and wait for those who were so incensed by the treatment of people at town hall meetings to chime in. After all...this woman just wanted to be heard...right?

One person being removed, others getting beaten. Hm, McCain had someone removed peacefully. The Unions that support the Dems, beating those opposing HCR. I can see your comparison.


I think one was too many.

Just think, if nobody died in war, women would still be subjegated, slavery would be wide spread, and we would be living in the dark ages. Better living through superior firepower.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Just think, if nobody died in war, women would still be subjegated, slavery would be wide spread, and we would be living in the dark ages.

A link for that please? I have not a clue what subjegated (sic) is but I sure would like to know how people dying in war "unsubjegated" us????

[blue]

A link for that please? I have not a clue what subjegated (sic) is but I sure would like to know how people dying in war "unsujegated" us????



"unsujegated"?

You really do think this thread is about you.

[Miss Z]

This whole white text thing and photo-spying is pathetic. Grow up, man.

[smokey the elder]

Howinthehe!! did we get off the (once polite) debating on the theme of this thread? I'm just disgusted.

Anyway...my take on Afghanistan is that this is the only war we had any business fighting, because they harbored the criminals/terrorists responsible for murdering over 3000 citizens of the world. This war was IMO badly mismanaged, and only now is Obama making an effort to carry it out the way it should have been done 8 (!) years ago.

[Grace]

Anyway...my take on Afghanistan is that this is the only war we had any business fighting, because they harbored the criminals/terrorists responsible for murdering over 3000 citizens of the world. This war was IMO badly mismanaged, and only now is Obama making an effort to carry it out the way it should have been done 8 (!) years ago.

I agree with you about Afghanistan. However, those criminals have now moved into Pakistan - do we follow them? I don't think so.

I read an op-ed piece about Afghanistan by Bob Herbert. Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/opinion/25herbert.html?_r=1)

[lizbud]

Howinthehe!! did we get off the (once polite) debating on the theme of this thread? I'm just disgusted.

Anyway...my take on Afghanistan is that this is the only war we had any business fighting, because they harbored the criminals/terrorists responsible for murdering over 3000 citizens of the world. This war was IMO badly mismanaged, and only now is Obama making an effort to carry it out the way it should have been done 8 (!) years ago.


Agreed. This thread was taking on a somewhat sinister tone. Downright creepy.

I sometimes think we have no business fighting all over the globe. America
needs to look to it's own business. We have plenty of problems that we
need to be working on.

[Grace]

I may be mistaken but wasn't this month the worst for casualties in Afghanistan?


Now you are correct. From NPR -



August Deadliest Month In Afghanistan For U.S. Troops

By Frank James

A U.S. soldier was killed in a bomb blast in Afghanistan Friday, making it the deadliest month for U.S. troops in the eight years of the war.

The soldier was killed in eastern Afghanistan when the vehicle he was riding in struck a roadside bomb, according to the military.

All told, 45 U.S. troops have died in Afghanistan in August as the U.S. has surged its military forces into the country with the aim of driving back the Taliban and insurgents.

Roadside bombs have caused many of the casualties since improvised explosive devices are so easy to conceal in the Afghanistan's unpaved roads. Meanwhile, the Taliban learned from observing the Iraq War how effectively deadly IEDs are.

The increasing death toll comes at the same time as support in the U.S. for the war appears to be declining among a war-weary public; the growing casualties are no doubt causing some of that loss of public backing.

Complicating President Barack Obama's challenge is the U.S. military's request for more troops to be sent to Afghanistan which would likely increase the casualties there, further eroding public support.

[blue]

This whole white text thing and photo-spying is pathetic. Grow up, man.

Why? This is the internetz.


Howinthehe!! did we get off the (once polite) debating on the theme of this thread? I'm just disgusted.

I find that tends to happen when a group of members single out 1 or 2 others to publicly mock, ridicule, and insult.


Agreed. This thread was taking on a somewhat sinister tone. Downright creepy.

Creepy, thats putting it mildly.


I sometimes think we have no business fighting all over the globe. America needs to look to it's own business. We have plenty of problems that we need to be working on.

Do you think we should be helping to improve the living conditions of third world countries? Should we be helping to improve womens rights in countries where women are oppressed? When American civilian volunteers are killed for trying to improve conditions in other countries should we just shrug our shoulders?

[RICHARD]

I wish I had a flunky to send to important events to represent me.

I'm on vacay! don't bug me.:rolleyes:

[blue]

Is Cindy Sheehan protesting out front of Obama's vacation house?

[blue]

A link for that please? I have not a clue what subjegated (sic) is but I sure would like to know how people dying in war "unsubjegated" us????

Sharia law. Something yall didnt have to overcome that here in the states. Can Iranian women vote? Can Suadi women vote? How many women got stoned to death yesterday under sharia law?

Not that type of stoned, you hippies!!!

Iraqi women get to vote now, because of us.

[Miss Z]

Why? This is the internetz.


Because you're a grown man, aren't you? Or does ES intimidate you so much that you aren't brave enough to say what you think without the little treasure trail? Eesh. :rolleyes:

Anyway, on the topic of various Islamic laws...

It's all well and good that we've managed to provide a little more freedom of speech in countries like Iraq, but I worry how far we're willing to push Westernisation on such countries, exactly what the terrorists in these nations are against. We could, or rather, we shall, end up doing more harm than good if we're not careful.

Terrorism is difficult to oppose when the act of opposing gains support. For this reason, I myself am undecided about whether it was just, and sensible, to declare war on Iraq. We removed a dictator, granted, but our very presence stirred a hatred that is difficult to reverse. I'm not a world leader, so I have no alternatives to how it could have been handled. Yet, I do believe we have outstayed our welcome in many respects.

[blue]

Because you're a grown man, aren't you? Or does ES intimidate you so much that you aren't brave enough to say what you think without the little treasure trail? Eesh. :rolleyes:

So now you are playing their game? :rolleyes:

Its redirection, they cant honestly answer questions so they use it as an opportunity to feed their egos and deflect the question.


Anyway, on the topic of various Islamic laws...

It's all well and good that we've managed to provide a little more freedom of speech in countries like Iraq, but I worry how far we're willing to push Westernisation on such countries, exactly what the terrorists in these nations are against. We could, or rather, we shall, end up doing more harm than good if we're not careful.

Terrorism is difficult to oppose when the act of opposing gains support. For this reason, I myself am undecided about whether it was just, and sensible, to declare war on Iraq. We removed a dictator, granted, but our very presence stirred a hatred that is difficult to reverse. I'm not a world leader, so I have no alternatives to how it could have been handled. Yet, I do believe we have outstayed our welcome in many respects.

Not every believer of Islam wants to follow Sharia law. I would think that every woman that believes in equal rights would stand up and speak out against it.

[blue]

Do you trust Obama and .gov with the internet and private networks?


Bill would give president emergency control of Internet
by Declan McCullagh




Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.




The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.

A spokesman for Rockefeller also declined to comment on the record Thursday, saying that many people were unavailable because of the summer recess. A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001. The source said that one primary concern was the electrical grid, and what would happen if it were attacked from a broadband connection.

When Rockefeller, the chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) introduced the original bill in April, they claimed it was vital to protect national cybersecurity. "We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs--from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records," Rockefeller said.

The Rockefeller proposal plays out against a broader concern in Washington, D.C., about the government's role in cybersecurity. In May, President Obama acknowledged that the government is "not as prepared" as it should be to respond to disruptions and announced that a new cybersecurity coordinator position would be created inside the White House staff. Three months later, that post remains empty, one top cybersecurity aide has quit, and some wags have begun to wonder why a government that receives failing marks on cybersecurity should be trusted to instruct the private sector what to do.

Rockefeller's revised legislation seeks to reshuffle the way the federal government addresses the topic. It requires a "cybersecurity workforce plan" from every federal agency, a "dashboard" pilot project, measurements of hiring effectiveness, and the implementation of a "comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy" in six months--even though its mandatory legal review will take a year to complete.

The privacy implications of sweeping changes implemented before the legal review is finished worry Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "As soon as you're saying that the federal government is going to be exercising this kind of power over private networks, it's going to be a really big issue," he says.

Probably the most controversial language begins in Section 201, which permits the president to "direct the national response to the cyber threat" if necessary for "the national defense and security." The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government. ("Cyber" is defined as anything having to do with the Internet, telecommunications, computers, or computer networks.)

"The language has changed but it doesn't contain any real additional limits," EFF's Tien says. "It simply switches the more direct and obvious language they had originally to the more ambiguous (version)...The designation of what is a critical infrastructure system or network as far as I can tell has no specific process. There's no provision for any administrative process or review. That's where the problems seem to start. And then you have the amorphous powers that go along with it."

Translation: If your company is deemed "critical," a new set of regulations kick in involving who you can hire, what information you must disclose, and when the government would exercise control over your computers or network.

The Internet Security Alliance's Clinton adds that his group is "supportive of increased federal involvement to enhance cyber security, but we believe that the wrong approach, as embodied in this bill as introduced, will be counterproductive both from an national economic and national secuity perspective."

Update at 3:14 p.m. PDT: I just talked to Jena Longo, deputy communications director for the Senate Commerce committee, on the phone. She sent me e-mail with this statement:

The president of the United States has always had the constitutional authority, and duty, to protect the American people and direct the national response to any emergency that threatens the security and safety of the United States. The Rockefeller-Snowe Cybersecurity bill makes it clear that the president's authority includes securing our national cyber infrastructure from attack. The section of the bill that addresses this issue, applies specifically to the national response to a severe attack or natural disaster. This particular legislative language is based on longstanding statutory authorities for wartime use of communications networks. To be very clear, the Rockefeller-Snowe bill will not empower a "government shutdown or takeover of the Internet" and any suggestion otherwise is misleading and false. The purpose of this language is to clarify how the president directs the public-private response to a crisis, secure our economy and safeguard our financial networks, protect the American people, their privacy and civil liberties, and coordinate the government's response.

Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for an on-the-record answer to these four questions that I asked her colleague on Wednesday. I'll let you know if and when I get a response.

[Miss Z]

So now you are playing their game? :rolleyes:

Oh dear, how little you know me. I'm English. I'm far too serious to play games. ;)

And you have no excuses for your silly little shenanigans. Perhaps if you felt you were being baited, then it would have been a good idea not to bite the bait.



Not every believer of Islam wants to follow Sharia law. I would think that every woman that believes in equal rights would stand up and speak out against it.

You didn't exactly expand on what you said before, but oh well.

In the latest Iraqi election, how many of those women, now with the liberation of exercising such equal rights, actually used them? What proportion chose to stay in their homes, lest they risked the violence they would face, the violence fueled by anger at a Western presence?

[smokey the elder]

*puts on full plate...wades in*

There are LOADS of reprehensible things going on in the world. There are philanthropists (private citizens) doing their level best to address such issues. Doctors without Borders...Bill and Melinda Gates...the man who thought of the micro loan...Bono...many others.

Have you ever heard the twist on an old expression, "You can lead a man* to enlightment, but you can't make him* think?"

IMO, the most critical aspect of improvement of humans as individuals and a species is the development of a high level of enlightened self-interest. My own personal interpretation of this is not socialism, but the idea that what affects one member of the tribe, affects all members of the tribe. This does not preclude rewards for achievement, etc, as socialism as applied in today's world often does.

One way to foster enlightened self-interest is through education. Not necessarily the pap fed to folks in public school, but a combination of book learning, "apprenticeship" in the school of hard knocks, and good mentors.

If the only source of education is extremely polarized politics, religion, what have you, an individual cannot achieve anything approaching "enlightenment", and their "tribe" is a severely-restricted faction of narrow minded, like-minded individuals. The best of us will see more similarities than differences in peoples of the world, regardless of politics, culture or religion.

*Masculine form used because of no gender neutral personal pronoun in the English language.

Again, this is all my opinion, and for that at $4.00 you can get a latte at Starbucks.

[RICHARD]

Again, this is all my opinion, and for that at $4.00 you can get a latte at Starbucks.

How's about we pool our money and get some chow instead of coffee?

The .99 cent menu is freaking awesome!:D;):)

http://www.wienerschnitzel.com/

[Puckstop31]

Thank you for your excellent post smokey. I think "enlightened self intrest" is a perfect way to describe it. Many of the founding fathers described it that way in their writings.

Its the darn "enlightened" part that is so hard to come by today.... Especially when society is moving more away from certain standards of common decency. We could discuss opinions as to why this is, but I reckon it would get ugly. :)

[Randi]

This war was IMO badly mismanaged, and only now is Obama making an effort to carry it out the way it should have been done 8 (!) years ago.
You guys are SO lucky to have B. Obama as a president now - just think what would have happened, had Bush continued! :rolleyes:

[caseysmom]

Can Iranian women vote?

Yes

[RICHARD]

*Masculine form used because of no gender neutral personal pronoun in the English language.

Again, this is all my opinion, and for that at $4.00 you can get a latte at Starbucks.

You forgot "dude"!;)

I walked away from the machine and started to think....

Although philanthropy is a major way to deal with the "outside world", the people who do the dirty work-develop ideas and the means to help the common man- are generally overlooked.

I'll tout Dean Kamen again. He's behind some pretty nifty things - check out his generator/water purifier. You know what a Segway is, but how many people know about who developed a type of kidney dialysis machine and the stair climbing wheelchair?:cool:

I was watching a program, I want to say it was Glenn Beck- and he brought a group of people to some in and voice their opinions on the bailouts and economy.

He was taking questions from the audience when a young dude-;)- began to lament his not being able to find a job in his chosen field. He went on to say that he had just graduated from college and was upset that he was unemployed.

Um, I had to choke back a laugh and then stifle my ire afterwards. Going to school and having your nose stuck in a book for four years doesn't guarantee anything except the bills for the money they borrowed for school.

I am not trying to belittle any schooling or career development that anyone has undertaken to improve their standing in the work force-but I do have a problem with people that come into the work force with an attitude that their 'book lurnin'' makes them 'better' than me.

Yes, there is a critical balance of books, apprenticeship, mentors and Hard Knocks...But people are so wrapped up in the Fast Track Way to Success, they forget they really have to work to earn money.

I have worked with a few idiots with the 'Kilimanjaro School of Business and Plumbing" sheepskin on the wall-and I really wasn't impressed with their claim of having a diploma from an institute of higher learning in a frame..

Of course, there are the exceptions to that rule-I have worked with many people who did have a diploma and were willing to work their way up the ladder. It was the folks that came into the office and stated that "my" system wasn't the best, then told me that they were taught to think out of the box and reminded me that their degree made it impossible for them to present a business model that was without fault....

It was the disrespect that these moron show to their co-workers -that and the fact that some companies have put more emphasis on degrees, as opposed to common sense, loyalty and work ethic.

That's another reason for the sorry state of blue collar workers in the country today. Instead of asking for or promoting a good work/climb the ladder to success ethic?

We tell people that they should go to school, and skip the "get your fingers" dirty part of life that helps build good work habits, communication and interaction.

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I'll buy the donuts for Smokey's coffee!:D

[Puckstop31]

You guys are SO lucky to have B. Obama as a president now - just think what would have happened, had Bush continued! :rolleyes:

Well, in a lot of ways he is.

Stimulus. The wars. Growing debt. More unconstitutional "czars".

Almost ALL politicians are the same.

[blue]

Im kinda tired and didnt read all of these. So if any of these are incorrect, dont post your opinions, post links to show why they are incorrect. Source (http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nypost.com%2Fseven% 2F04252009%2Fpostopinion%2Fopedcolumnists%2F100_da ys__100_mistakes_166177.htm).



100 DAYS, 100 MISTAKES



April 25, 2009 --

100 PHOTOS OF OBAMA'S FIRST 100 DAYS

1. "Obama criticized pork barrel spending in the form of 'earmarks,' urging changes in the way that Congress adopts the spending proposals. Then he signed a spending bill that contains nearly 9,000 of them, some that members of his own staff shoved in last year when they were still members of Congress. 'Let there be no doubt, this piece of legislation must mark an end to the old way of doing business, and the beginning of a new era of responsibility and accountability,' Obama said." -- McClatchy, 3/11

2. "There is no doubt that we've been living beyond our means and we're going to have to make some adjustments." -- Obama during the campaign.

MORE: Obama's First 100 Days in Photos

3. This year's budget deficit: $1.5 trillion.

4. Asks his Cabinet to cut costs in their departments by $100 million -- a whopping .0027%!

5. "The White House says the president is unaware of the tea parties." -- ABC News, 4/15

6. "Mr. Obama is an accomplished orator but is becoming known in America as the 'teleprompt president' over his reliance on the machine when he gives a speech." -- Sky News, 3/18

7. In early February, the 2010 census was moved out of the Department of Commerce and into the White House, politicizing how federal aid is distributed and electoral districts are drawn.

8. Obama taps Nancy Killefer for a new administration job, First Chief Performance Officer -- to police government spending. But it surfaces that Killefer had performance issues of her own -- a tax lien was slapped on her DC home in 2005 for failure to pay unemployment compensation tax on household help. She withdrew.

9. Turkey tried to block the appointment of Anders Fogh Rasmussen as new NATO secretary general because he didn't properly punish the Danish cartoonist who caricatured Mohammed. France's Nicolas Sarkozy and Germany's Angela Merkel were outraged; Obama said he supported Turkey's induction into the European Union.

10. . . . and he never mentioned the Armenian genocide.

11. The picture of Obama and Hugo Chavez shaking hands.

12. Hugo Chavez gave him the anti-American screed "The Open Veins of Latin America." Obama didn't remark upon it. At least it wasn't DVDs.

13. Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega went on a 50-minute anti-American rant, calling Obama "president of an empire." Obama didn't leave the room. "I thought it was 50 minutes long. That's what I thought," he said.

14. Executives at AIG get $165 million in bonuses, despite receiving an $173 billion taxpayer bailout.

15. "For months, the Obama administration and members of Congress have known that insurance giant AIG was getting ready to pay huge bonuses while living off government bailouts. It wasn't until the money was flowing and news was trickling out to the public that official Washington rose up in anger and vowed to yank the money back." -- Associated Press, 3/18

16. "After pushing Congress for weeks to hurry up and pass the massive $787 billion stimulus bill, President Obama promptly took off for a three-day holiday getaway." -- New York Post, 2/15

17. MEGHAN CLYNE ON: "I WON" AND THE DEATH OF BIPARTISANSHIP

"Obama soared to victory on the hopeful promise of a new era of bipartisanship. During his inaugural address he even promised an 'end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.'

"Too bad it took all of three days for the promise to ring hollow.

"Start with Obama's big meeting with top congressional leaders on his signature legislation -- the stimulus -- on the Friday after his inauguration. Listening to Republican concerns about overspending was a nice gesture -- until he shut down any hopes of real dialogue by crassly telling Republican leaders: 'I won.' Even the White House's leaking of the comment was a slap at the Republican leadership, who'd expected Obama to adhere to the custom of keeping private meetings with congressional leadership, well, private.

"It's only gone downhill from there. The stimulus included zero Republican recommendations, and failed to get a single House Republican vote.

"It's not just the tactic of using Republicans for bipartisan photo-ops, and then cutting them loose before partisan decisions, that irks Obama's opponents. The new president wasted no time rushing forward with policies and legislation guaranteed to drive Republicans nuts. The first bill he signed into law was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act -- a partisan hot-button that drew all of eight Republican supporters in the entire Congress. Then there was the swift reversal of Bush policies on abortion and embryonic-stem-cell research -- issues dear to the Republican base.

"And when Obama and the Democrats in Congress took up SCHIP -- the children's health-insurance bill that Republicans say vastly expands government's role in health care -- they had an easy chance for real bipartisanship. After all, the bill had been hashed out in the previous Congress, and a bipartisan accord was reached before President Bush responded with a veto. Did the Obama team push for the compromise version in the 111th Congress? Nope. They went back to the drawing board, ramming through the Democrats' dream version.

"Of course, the lack of bipartisanship isn't limited to Capitol Hill. Obama has taken gratuitous swipes at the Republicans who recently decamped Washington, blaming President Bush for everything from the economy and the war to the lack of sufficient puppies and rainbows. And who could forget the Rush Limbaugh flap -- in which Obama's top advisers, including chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, orchestrated a public relations campaign meant to undermine the Republican National Committee chairman, Michael Steele, by framing talk-radio personality Limbaugh as the real head of the Republican Party.

"For now, Obama's back-pedal on the bipartisanship promise just makes him look insincere. But the real consequences of the mistake will be felt soon enough. As Presidents Bush and Clinton could tell him, congressional majorities do change -- and at some point, Obama will need Republicans on his side. He'd be smart to spend his second 100 days making up for the serious snubs of his first."

-- Meghan Clyne is a DC-based writer.

18. "The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today." -- Department of Homeland Security intelligence report

19. Nixes a "buy American" provision in the stimulus bill.

20. "Yes, Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on. Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there." -- Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. The 9/11 hijackers did not come across the Canada border

21. "The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits, as several influential lawmakers and many economists favor, to help pay for overhauling the health care system. The proposal is politically problematic for President Obama, however, since it is similar to one he denounced in the presidential campaign as 'the largest middle-class tax increase in history.' " -- New York Times, 3/14

22. JOE SCARBOROUGH ON: PROMOTING FEAR

"During his historic inaugural speech, Barack Obama promised to usher in a transformational age where hope would replace fear, unity would overtake partisanship, and change would sweep aside the status quo. But early in President Obama's first 100 days it is obvious that the only thing that is changing is the Candidate of Change, himself.

"The same politician who proclaimed during his inauguration that 'on this day we have chosen hope over fear' soon warned Americans that the US economy would be forever destroyed if the stimulus bill was voted down.

"Why was it that same man who promised to put Americans' interests ahead of his own political ambitions chose instead to use the suffering of citizens to advance his agenda?

"Maybe he was following the guidance of Rahm Emanuel, who famously said, 'You never want to waste a good crisis.'

"They didn't.

"The White House's warnings were so over-the-top that Bill Clinton felt compelled to warn the new president against making such grim pronouncements. Americans would quickly warn that the White House would not channel FDR's eternal optimism but rather embrace the gloomy worldview of Edgar Allen Poe.

"The Candidate of Hope also quickly adopted the Nixonian worldview that Americans voted their fears rather than their hopes. Over Mr. Obama's first 100 days, that cynical calculation paid off politically for a White House that seemed most interested in appeasing the most liberal members of his Democratic Party.

"I expected more from Barack Obama. For the sake of my country, I hope I get it from the new president over the next 100 days."

-- Joe Scarborough, host of MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and author of "The Last Best Hope: Restoring Conservatism and America's Promise" (Crown Forum), due out June 9.

23. Sanjay Gupta was in discussions to become Surgeon General, but the TV personality withdrew after he was criticized for his flimsy political record.

24. Rasmussen finds 58% of Americans believe the Obama administration's release of CIA memos endangers the national security of the United States.

25. Only 28% think the Obama administration should do any further investigating of how the Bush administration treated terrorism suspects.

26. "Obama thanked CIA employees for their work and said they're invaluable to national security. He explained his decision to release the memos, then told everyone not to feel bad because he was now acknowledging potential mistakes. Theirs, not his. 'That's how we learn,' Obama said, as though soothing a room full of fourth-graders." -- The Oklahoman, 4/23

27. By releasing the torture memos, Obama opened American citizens up to international tribunals. A UN lawyer said the US is obliged to prosecute lawyers who drafted the memos or else violate the Geneva Conventions.

28. In their first meeting, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown gave Obama a carved ornamental penholder from the timbers of the anti-slavery ship HMS Gannet. Obama gave him 25 DVDs that don't work in Europe.

29. TIM CARNEY ON: PICKING BILL RICHARDSON AS SECRETARY OF COMMERCE

"Richardson's value in Obama's Cabinet had everything to do with appearances. First, he was the Hispanic pick. Second, because Richardson had run against Obama for President, tapping him for the Cabinet helped the media write the Obama-Lincoln comparisons by burnishing the 'Team of Rivals' image.

"But Richardson withdrew before Obama was even inaugurated when news came out about a criminal investigation involving David Rubin, president of a firm named Chambers, Dunhill, Rubin & Co. (although there was no Chambers or Dunhill), who had donated at least $110,000 to Richardson's campaign committees and had also profited from $1.5 million in contracts from the state government.

"This was an early warning sign about Obama's vetting process (various tax problems and the Daschle problem would reveal this as a theme), but picking Richardson to run Commerce also highlighted that Obama and Richardson's promise of 'public-private partnerships' -- such as Detroit bailouts, Wall Street bailouts, and green energy--was an open door for corruption and was at odds with Obama's promise to diminish the influence of lobbyists.

"The Richardson mistake was one of Obama's first, and it was emblematic. Richardson embodied Obama's attention to self-image and the problems inherent in his vision of an intimate business-government connection."

-- Tim Carney is a Washington Examiner columnist

30. Timothy Geithner nomination as Secretary of Treasury was almost torpedoed when it was discovered he had failed to pay $34,000 in Social Security and Medicare taxes. He also employed an illegal immigrant as a housekeeper. He was confirmed anyway.

31. . . . Not so lucky, Annette Nazareth, who was nominated for Deputy Treasury Secretary. She withdrew her name for undisclosed "personal reasons" after a monthlong probe into her taxes . . .

32. . . . or Caroline Atkinson, who withdrew as nominee for Undersecretary of International Affairs in Treasury Department, with a source blaming the long vetting process. Geithner still has a skeleton crew at Treasury, with no one qualified -- or willing -- to take jobs there.

33. "Barack Obama has been embroiled in a cronyism row after reports that he intends to make Louis Susman, one of his biggest fundraisers, the new US ambassador in London. The selection of Mr. Susman, a lawyer and banker from the president's hometown of Chicago, rather than an experienced diplomat, raises new questions about Mr Obama's commitment to the special relationship with Britain." -- Telegraph, 2/22

34. Obama's doom-and-gloom comments and budget bill push the Dow below 7,000, from which it's only recently recovered.

35. "You're sitting here. And you're -- you are laughing. You are laughing about some of these problems. Are people going to look at this and say, 'I mean, he's sitting there just making jokes about money--' How do you deal with -- I mean: Explain. Are you punch-drunk?" -- Steve Kroft, "60 Minutes," 3/22

36. "We have begun to modernize 75% of all federal building space, which has the potential to reduce long-term energy costs by billions of dollars on behalf of taxpayers. We are providing grants to states to help weatherize hundreds of thousands of homes, which will save the families that benefit about $350 each year. That's like a $350 tax cut." -- Obama, describing something that doesn't cut taxes.

37. "The Obama administration has directed defense officials to sign a pledge stating they will not share 2010 budget data with individuals outside the federal government." -- Defense News, 2/19

38. Backtracking on a campaign promise he made to black farmers, Obama significantly lowered the amount of money they could claim in a discrimination settlement against the Agricultural Department. "I can't figure out for the life of me why the president wouldn't want to implement a bill that he fought for as a US senator," said John Boyd, head of the National Black Farmers Association.

39. "I've been practicing bowling. I bowled a 129. It was like the Special Olympics or something." -- Obama on "The Tonight Show"

40. Obama lifts travel and remittance restrictions on Cuba.

41. Obama considers dropping the embargo on Cuba.

42. After warming signs from Raul Castro, Fidel Castro says Obama "misinterpreted" his brother's words, and that Cuba would not be willing to negotiate about human rights.

43. Obama is considering dropping a key demand to Iran, allowing it to keep nuclear facilities open during negotiations.

44. In a letter to Dmitri Medvedev, Obama offered to drop plans for a missile shield in Europe in exchange for Russia's help in resolving the nuclear weapons issue in Iran.

45. Medvedev said he would not "haggle" on Iran and the missile shield.

46. Obama asked Congress for an extra $83.4 billion to fund operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a special funding measure of the kind he opposed while in the senate. As a candidate, Obama promised to cut the cost of military operations.

47. After trying to woo Europe as the "anti-Bush," Obama made an impassioned plea for more troops in Afghanistan. "Europe should not simply expect the United States to shoulder that burden alone," he said. "This is a joint problem it requires a joint effort." Only the UK offered substantial help, most others refused.

48. "While the online question portion of the White House town hall was open to any member of the public with an Internet connection, the five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room were anything but a diverse lot. They included: a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union, a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary; a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star; and a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama's campaign in 2008." -- Washington Post, 3/27

49. Obama bows to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia at a G-20 meeting in London.

50. "It wasn't a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he's taller than King Abdullah." -- An Obama aide

51. DANA PERINO ON: REMAINING IN CAMPAIGN MODE

"Has it really only been 100 days? In many ways it feels like a lot longer.

"That's partly because the new administration remains in campaign mode most of the time. Now that's not in itself a bad thing if you can do that and accomplish your agenda. But what's happened is that a popular new president has laid out a very bold agenda in the midst of an economic crisis, and I don't think Congress is going to get a lot of work done on those big ticket items this year. They'll eke out a couple of small wins on issues like healthcare and maybe energy, but the Democrats will hail them as big victories. The Republicans have been working like a cohesive and loyal opposition party, and they need to continue to outline positive new ideas like the recent one to help grow American's savings.

"The early stumbles on the administration's high profile nominations -- Daschle and Richardson for just to examples -- acted like weights around their ankles. In addition, the partisan shots from the White House were unbecoming and I don't think we'll see more of that. Our allies and our enemies -- heck, even we ourselves -- are trying to understand the new foreign policy direction, which in some ways seems to be change just for the sake of change. The next moves by the leaders of other countries -- like Iran, North Korea and Venezuela -- probably will prove that really not much will change just because America has a new president.

"In many ways, it's the next 100 days that will tell us more about our new president and what he'll be able to accomplish than we can forecast based on the first 100 days."

-- Dana Perino was White House press secretary in the Bush Administration

52. "We can't afford to make perfect the enemy of the absolutely necessary." -- Obama, describing the stimulus bill

53. Three candidates for ambassador to the Vatican -- including Caroline Kennedy -- were turned down by the Holy See because they supported abortion, according to reports.

54. After saying he wouldn't have lobbyists in his administration, Obama made 17 exceptions in the first two weeks in office.

55. . . . including Tom Daschle, who worked as a top lobbyist yet was going to be appointed Secretary of Health and Human Services -- until his failure to pay income taxes derailed his nomination.

56. For an April 14 speech at Georgetown, the administration asked the university to cover up all signs and symbols -- including the letters "IHS" in gold, a symbol for Jesus.

57. Samantha Power, who resigned from the Obama campaign after calling Hillary Rodham Clinton a "monster," was hired to a position on the National Security Council.

58. "Chicago has yet to recoup the $1.74 million cost of President Obama's victory celebration in Grant Park -- despite a burgeoning $50.5 million budget shortfall that threatens more layoffs and union concessions." -- Chicago Sun-Times, 2/20

59. Firing Rick Wagoner as president of GM.

60. Threatening to fire Vikram Pandit as CEO of Citigroup.

61. Threatening to fire anyone the administration doesn't like from any company.

62. Not adopting a dog from a shelter.

63. "The GAO study asserts that officials from most of the states surveyed 'expressed concerns regarding the lack of Recovery Act funding provided for accountability and oversight. Due to fiscal constraints, many states reported significant declines in the number of oversight staff -- limiting their ability to ensure proper implementation and management of Recovery Act funds.' " -- ABC News, 4/23

64. "The National Newspaper Publishers Association named Obama 'Newsmaker of the Year.' The president is to receive the award from the federation of black community newspapers in a White House ceremony this afternoon. The Obama White House has closed the press award ceremony to the press." -- Los Angeles Times, 3/20

65. "Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards." -- Attorney General Eric Holder

66. "I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about, you know, doing any seances." -- Obama, on consulting with only "living" presidents

67. Obama quietly announced that he would not press for new labor and environmental regulations in the North American Free Trade Agreement, going back on a campaign promise.

68. NICOLE GELINAS ON: MISSPENT STIMULUS

"One of Obama's most poignant missed opportunities was in not using the historic $787 million stimulus package to reorder state and local government's spending priorities. As states and cities continue to spend ceaselessly and without results on education and healthcare, they're crowding out investments in the physical infrastructure that the private sector needs to rebuild the economy.

"In the stimulus, of the more than $200 billion that went directly to states and cities, nearly 70% went to education and healthcare spending. Only 24% went to infrastructure spending.

"But the states and cities in the most trouble already spend way too much on education and healthcare, pushing taxes up and sending private industry away. They don't spend nearly enough on infrastructure, which attracts the private sector and builds the real economy.

"As David Walker, former comptroller general of the US, said at the Regional Plan Association's annual meeting a week ago, nationwide, we are the 'highest in the world' on education. We are 'the highest in the world' on healthcare. 'Nobody comes even close.' On infrastructure, by contrast, we are 'below average' in both critical new investments and in much-needed maintenance spending.

"And, as Democratic governor of Pennsylvania Ed Rendell said at the same conference, when President Dwight Eisenhower left office, infrastructure spending was about 12.5% of non-military domestic spending. Today, it's about 2.5%.

"This shortfall is obvious to anyone who's ridden on an "express train" to the outer boroughs or driven on the Cross Bronx Expressway recently. But in New York, as elsewhere, the stimulus money has just allowed the state to ramp up spending on its wasteful, inhumane Medicaid program and its nosebleed public-school spending.

"Meanwhile, the subways are about to crumble into oblivion -- taking the economy with them. The same is true of decaying infrastructure in California and in aging states across the nation.

"The stimulus was a once-in-a-generation chance to change this. Instead, it made the situation worse."

-- Nicole Gelinas is a contributing editor to City Journal

69. "The Justice Department is asking the Supreme Court to overrule Michigan v. Jackson, the 1986 Supreme Court decision that held that if police may not interrogate a defendant after the right to counsel has attached, if the defendant has a lawyer or has requested a lawyer. This isn't the first time the Justice Department, under President Obama, has sought to limit defendants' rights." -- TalkLeft blog

70. "By any measure, my administration has inherited a fiscal disaster." -- Obama

71. "Ahh, see. I came down here to visit. See this is what happens. I can't end up visiting with you guys and shaking hands if I'm going to get grilled every time I come down here." -- Brushing off questions from the White House press corps

72. On Earth Day, Obama took two flights on Air Force One and four on Marine One to get to Iowa, burning more than 9,000 gallons of fuel.

73. "President Obama's plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs for the treatment of troops injured in service has infuriated veterans groups who say the government is morally obligated to pay for service-related medical care." -- Fox News, 3/17

74. "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it." -- Obama during his first State Of The Union address. A German invented the automobile

75. RALPH PETERS ON: FUMBLING IN AFGHANISTAN, FAKING IT IN PAKISTAN

"We're squandering blood and treasure in Afghanistan. Instead of concentrating fiercely on the vital task of destroying al Qaeda and its friends, the Obama administration's determined to erect a modern nation where no nation exists. Afghanistan isn't a country. It's a dysfunctional reservation inhabited by tribes that hate each other. There's no 'Afghan' identity. And even if our blind-to-reality efforts succeeded perfectly, the result would be meaningless.

"Except as a target range where we can gun down terrorists, Afghanistan doesn't matter. Next door, Pakistan matters immensely. But we don't know what to do about it. With 170 million anti-American Muslims descending into chaos as Pashtuns, Baluchis, Punjabis, Sindhis and others claw each other over the country's shabby remains, Pakistan's corrupt president shrugs, its military cowers, its loathsome intelligence services collude with Islamist extremists, and the safety of its nuclear weapons grows doubtful.

"Pakistan may be this generation's chamber of horrors.

"The Obama administration's response? Drill more wells in the Afghan countryside. Dramatically reinforce our troops in Afghanistan, sticking them with an impossible mission of modernizing a pre-medieval landscape while exposing them at the end of an insecure 1,500-mile supply line through, of all places, Pakistan.

"As for Pakistan itself, the Obama administration wants to send billions of dollars to a thieving government that makes Nigeria's look like a Quaker meeting and to hand Pakistan's military more arms -- weapons that might soon be used against us.

"Pakistan was a bad idea when it was created in 1947. It's a worse one now. Afghanistan wasn't even an idea, just an accident of where other borders ended. We can't 'save' either one -- because neither wants to be saved on our terms.

"Obama said the right things -- that Afghanistan isn't Iraq and that our goal should be the destruction of al Qaeda. But his policies just regurgitate our Iraq strategy (one he opposed) in a profoundly different context, while ambitious generals echo Vietnam-era calls for more forces.

"Our troops will do whatever we ask, to the best of their magnificent abilities. But we should ask them to do things that make sense. We need creative strategic thought, but we're succumbing to sheer inertia. And the presidet's supporters who howled that we should abandon Iraq to concentrate on their candidate's 'good war' don't seem to be volunteering to do any fighting. Menwhle, our presient's trpped himself inside his own campaign promiseing, Vietnam!"

-- Ralph Peters is the author of "Looking for Trouble: Adventures in a BeW" 77. "President Obama failed to consult Congress, as promised, before carving out exceptions to the omnibus spending bill he signed into law -- breaking his own signing-statement rules two days after issuing them -- and raised questions among lawmakers and committees who say the president's objections are unclear at best and a power grab at worst." -- Washington Times, 3/24

78. Adolfo Carrion was confirmed as Director of White House Office of Urban Affairs, but is serving under a cloud after allegations that he accepted thousands of dollars in cash from developers whose projects he approved.

79. KYLE SMITH ON: GOING AFTER RUSH LIMBAUGH

"Every so often an unfocused athlete forgets about the field of play and climbs into the stands. Ty Cobb did it. Ron Artest did it. Maybe no one did it with more sick flir than the greasy, furious Hanson Brothers who, in 'Slap Shot,' climbed into the stands to give a beatdown to a fan.

"In March, Barack Obama sent his own personal Hanson Brothers, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and spokesman Robert Gibbs, out to attack a non-politician -- Rush Limbaugh -- who was sitting innocently in the stands jeering the action. Limbaugh didn't even throw a cup of beer.

"Senior White House staffers, who have already fallen into the classic trap of paying more attention to polls than fixing the country's problems, had become obsessed with surveys showing that Limbaugh was an unpopular figure with swing voters. Pretty soon Emanuel and Gibbs developed Limbaugh Tourette's. To paraphrase Joe Biden's witty putdown of Rudy Giuliani, for a few days every sentence they uttered contained three things: a subject, a verb and Rush Limbaugh.

"El Rushbo, chuckling over his cigar as his ratings skyrocketed, could not have been more pleased if a picture had emerged of Obama wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt and burning the American flag on Harvard Square. Even that portion of the public that doesn't like Rush squirmed at the embarrassing spectacle of the president's men going all Mean Girls on an entertainer. George W. Bush's spokesmen maintained a dignified silence about Michael Moore. Picture them fanning out over the Sunday talk shows to denounce, and drive up the box-office receipts of, 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' Wouldn't you have loved that, Michael?"

-- Kyle Smith is a Post columnist

80. Forced banks that didn't want TARP money to take it, then added on stipulations about pay and government control after the fact. Secretly forced Bank of America to buy Merrill Lynch, then allowed the bank to be criticized for overpaying.

81. "More than 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States," Obama said in Mexico, yet factcheck.org says, "The figure represents only the percentage of crime guns that have been submitted by Mexican officials and traced by U.S. officials. We can find no hard data on the total number of guns actually 'recovered in Mexico,' but US and Mexican officials both say that Mexico recovers more guns that it submits for tracing. Therefore, the percentage of guns 'recovered' and traced to US sources necessarily is less than 90%."

82. Obama: "[Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc.], said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off." Jim Owens: "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again."

83. "In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive." -- Obama in Strasbourg, France

84. Joe Biden: "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, if we stand up there and we really make the tough decisions, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."

85. Joe Biden: "You all worked for change. You wanted to see change. Well, that wasn't a hard thing to try to communicate to the American people. Obviously, obviously, we needed a change almost no matter who was running."

86. Joe Biden: "You know, I'm embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number? I should have it in front of me and I don't. I'm actually embarrassed."

87. "There are more than 6.5 million trucks in the United States. The program Congress terminated allowed 97 Mexican trucks to roam among them. Ninety-seven! Shutting them out not only undermines NAFTA. It caused Mexico to retaliate with tariffs on 90 goods affecting $2.4 billion in U.S. trade coming out of 40 states." -- Charles Krauthammer, 3/20

88. DAVID M. DRUCKER ON: BOWING TO CONGRESS

"Although the president possesses enormous political capital -- both because of high approval ratings and because his administration is still in its infancy -- he has generally declined to exercise it with Democratic leaders in the House and Senate, including when it comes to crafting legislation key to moving his agenda forward.

"Rather he has allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev) to craft legislation as they see fit -- even though the very bills in question were proposed by the president and involve key planks in his agenda. Among them were Obama's signature $787 billion economic stimulus bill, his first major piece of legislation that was signed into law in February; and now health care reform, currently being negotiated on Capitol Hill with minimal input from the White House.

"This soft-pedal style of leadership runs the risk of forcing Obama to embrace legislation constructed for narrow partisan interests rather than in a manner capable of garnering broad bipartisan support. Over time, the public might come to see Obama's deference to Pelosi and Reid as a weakness of leadership not befitting a president in tough times."

-- David M. Drucker is a staff writer for Roll Call

89. "It has become apparent during this process that this will not work for me as I have found that on issues such as the stimulus package and the Census, there are irresolvable conflicts for me." -- Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), who became the second failed Commerce Secretary nominee

90. In the third sentence of his first speech as president, Obama said, "44 Americans have now taken the presidential oath." The correct number is 43, as Grover Cleveland served twice.

91. The $49 million inauguration -- triple what taxpayers spent at Bush's first inauguration.

92. Giving the Queen of England an iPod full of his own speeches.

93. Three prime-time briefings in his first 100 days, eating into television revenues and this Wednesday pre-empting "American Idol."

94. "The United States government has no interest in running GM. Your [GM] warranty will be safe. In fact, it will be safer than it's ever been, because starting today, the United States government will stand behind your warranty." -- Obama

95. GM is given $15.4 billion in loans from the government.

96. The Obama Administration is trying to scuttle a lawsuit filed in federal court against Iran by former US embassy hostages. The lawsuit alleges that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was one of the hostage-takers who interrogated the captives.

97. GLENN BECK ON: BAD ECONOMIC PREDICTIONS

"Ten days before his inauguration, the President's chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, Christina Rohmer, released a report describing what to expect economically during the first 100 days and beyond. It presented two starkly different scenarios: one good (if the stimulus were to be passed), and one terrifyingly bad (if we did nothing). Amazingly, the report estimated that if the stimulus package were to pass, the unemployment rate would not go above 8% at any time until at least 2014.

"It's already at 8.5%.

"In fact, while there is an acknowledged level of uncertainty, the projections estimated that the unemployment rate would be lower today if we had done nothing at all. This suggests one of two things: either the administration misjudged the seriousness of our economic problems, or the stimulus plan is actually making things worse. I suspect it's a little of both.

"Remember, when the President's budget was released, he was roundly criticized for his never ending deficits, even under his own optimistic scenarios for growth. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected deficits that were even uglier. But, if the President and his economic planners were this far off, this soon, how much worse does the future look now?

"The election was supposed to bring 'change,' but I was hoping for more than the letter after the President's name, the positivity of the media coverage, and the hypoallergenic qualities of the White House puppy. President Obama didn't get us into this situation, but so far he's doubling down on the same spending philosophy that did. Common sense tells us that new debt is not the cure for old debt. No matter what the slogans say, that won't change in 100 days or 100 years."

-- Glenn Beck is the host of the "Glenn Beck" show, weekdays at 5 p.m. on Fox News.

98. "Education Secretary Arne Duncan has decided not to admit any new students to the D.C. voucher program, which allows low-income children to attend private schools ... For all the talk about putting children first, it's clear that the special interests that have long opposed vouchers are getting their way." -- Washington Post, 4/11

99. Obama enrolled his daughters in a DC private school.

100. "Don't think we're not keeping score, brother." -- Obama to Rep. Peter DeFazio, after the Democratic congressman voted against the stimulus bill.

Due to an editing error, a portion of this piece originally was improperly credited to Sarah Palin, when it should have been attributed to Meghan Clyne.


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I was right about Teddy Kennedy pushing to change MA law for appointing Senators to vaccant seats to a special election, only to turn around and try to have it switched back to an appointment.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Im kinda tired and didnt read all of these.
So if any of these are incorrect, dont post your opinions,
post links to show why they are incorrect.

:eek:

You've GOT to be kidding!

WHY do I want to read a pagefull of disjointed thoughts you've copied down
and never bothered to read yourself?

Not in this life, Bub!
:rolleyes:

[blue]

:eek:

You've GOT to be kidding!

WHY do I want to read a pagefull of disjointed thoughts you've copied down
and never bothered to read yourself?

Not in this life, Bub!
:rolleyes:

Meh, I cant blame you.

Ill finish reading it later.

Bub!:rolleyes:

ETA: Is the New York Post, or Meghan Clyne a reputable news source?

[Randi]

Puckstop, Yes, almost all politicians are human beings who care about the society in which they live and chose to work, making that society better. They represent the people who elect them!


As Smokey the Elder said:
The best of us will see more similarities than differences in peoples of the world, regardless of politics, culture or religion.

[Miss Z]

Puckstop, Yes, almost all politicians are human beings who care about the society in which they live and chose to work, making that society better. They represent the people who elect them!


Reading that quote reminded me of a politician (I think he was a conservative MP) that I saw in a television interview some time ago. He said nearly the exact same thing.... some weeks later the country was outraged when we learnt that a good proportion of Parliament was squandering the tax-payer's money on mortgages, moats and floating duck houses (!) for their second homes. :p

I have been lucky enough to sit on on lectures with a few politicians, and don't get me wrong, I respect them, but each one, perhaps bar one, has made horrendous errors of judgement in their history that did nothing for the community or the greater good of anybody.

I think I might be agreeing with Puckstop on this one! :eek: :p

[RICHARD]

http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/song-chart-memes-degree-requirements.jpg?w=504&h=436

[Edwina's Secretary]

As someone pointed out to me when I was complaining about some politicians once...have you ever run for office?

So those who are carping...calling all or almost all politicians evil or morons or thieves...

Have you run for office? Have you worked on the campaign of someone you think would be better?

Or is it easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle?

I don't believe all are anything. Just as people who go into the military do it to make the world a safer place, I think most politicians run for office because they want to make the government better.

As we all know those Founding Fathers were also politicians!

Do some politicians go bad? Sure. Do some in the military go bad? Sure. Heck, so do some teachers, lawyers, doctors, business people, athletes, etc. etc, etc.

I just have never like labeling ALL of anything good or evil.

[lizbud]

:eek:

You've GOT to be kidding!

WHY do I want to read a pagefull of disjointed thoughts you've copied down
and never bothered to read yourself?

Not in this life, Bub!
:rolleyes:


A real piece of work.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,

Normally I cannot stand music when I am put on hold, but I can dig a few marches and some patriotic tunes....


I guess the friggin hag decided she didn't want people to be inspired..

http://newledger.com/2009/08/why-does-nancy-pelosi-have-a-problem-with-patriotic-music/

But wait!

The masses speak!!!!!! And they get what they want... Good old Nutsy never learns. I can hardly wait for the people of Cuh lee fuh nee ah to wipe their shoes of this moron when election time comes.

Dear Political Jesus.

Keep NP safe until the election and her defeat. I any eagerly awaiting the day when someone tells her she is out of office. I want to see how many eye blinks it takes for her to realize she is a loser.

AMEN.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Gosh! I wonder how...
friggin hag
Good old Nutsy
this moron

differs from Erica Jong's "name calling"?

After all...I've never seen name calling win an argument or enhance a discussion yet. It only serves to fan the flames of an already heated debate!

[Puckstop31]

As someone pointed out to me when I was complaining about some politicians once...have you ever run for office?

So those who are carping...calling all or almost all politicians evil or morons or thieves...

Have you run for office?

No.


Have you worked on the campaign of someone you think would be better?

Yes. And it was the first of a series of experiences that taught me what our modern politician is all about.

I might begin believing in the people who serve in government again.... When that "service" becomes a sacrifice again. The founders understood that SERVICE was a sacrifice, and a noble one. Today, it seems a way to live a fat life and spend OPM. (Other Peoples Money, to coin the 'fine' State Senator from PA, Vince Fumo, who is currently incarcerated.)



As we all know those Founding Fathers were also politicians!

Indeed. But those men had something that very, very few today do. A sense of honor and integrity. They understood that they served something MUCH bigger than themselves. That they were part of a necessary evil, not the solution to all our woes.

They pledged their LIVES, their FORTUNES and their SACRED HONOR. What does our modern version risk?

[Medusa]

When I was still a child, I learned that when I point a finger at someone else, there are 4 more fingers pointing back at me.

[pomtzu]

When I was still a child, I learned that when I point a finger at someone else, there are 4 more fingers pointing back at me.

To borrow someone else's quote I saw here today:

"Medusa is a wise woman".

:D :D :D :D :D

[Medusa]

To borrow someone else's quote I saw here today:

"Medusa is a wise woman".

:D :D :D :D :D

Uh oh. I'm at the age now when I'm called wise? This is not good. ;)

[smokey the elder]

Lifetime political "service" may be part of the problem. The lifers realize how cushy of a job they have. They don't need to work for a living, so there is no incentive. IMO, there should be term limits all the way from dog catcher to POTUS. NYC imposed term limits, now Bloomberg wants to beat the system. Say what you want to about Giuliani; folks wanted him to run for a third term after 9/11 but he said it wasn't allowed by law and declined.

I didn't intend any slight to small acts of kindness by mentioning philanthropy; large scale philanthropy just has much more global reach. However, the man that got the Peace Prize for creating the concept of micro-loans also started small. (These have a repayment rate the envy of any big bank: well north of 90%.) There is another person who is arranging with Kenya, that if a village/town will plant 100 trees they will get a new laptop for their school. These types of activities are definitely quid pro quo; as they should be. No one should get something for nothing.

I think more emphasis is being put on "locals" who do good deeds, and that can be an incentive to others. This is also mandated in many faiths.

[Grace]

When I was still a child, I learned that when I point a finger at someone else, there are 4 more fingers pointing back at me.

Totally non sequiter, but the minute I read this post I figured you had watched Laura Ingraham on O'Reilly last night. She began the show by extending her arm and pointing one of her fingers straight into the camera. Very unflattering picture.

[Edwina's Secretary]

When I was a child I learned that what people most complain about others doing is something they do themselves!

[Medusa]

Totally non sequiter, but the minute I read this post I figured you had watched Laura Ingraham on O'Reilly last night. She began the show by extending her arm and pointing one of her fingers straight into the camera. Very unflattering picture.

Uh, no. You figured wrong. :)

I do know what you're referring to, however, and in that one particular instance, I find it no less flattering than the pic of Uncle Sam saying "Uncle Sam wants YOU!"

[RICHARD]

I didn't intend any slight to small acts of kindness by mentioning philanthropy; large scale philanthropy just has much more global reach. However, the man that got the Peace Prize for creating the concept of micro-loans also started small. (These have a repayment rate the envy of any big bank: well north of 90%.) There is another person who is arranging with Kenya, that if a village/town will plant 100 trees they will get a new laptop for their school. These types of activities are definitely quid pro quo; as they should be. No one should get something for nothing.



Gotcha,

One of the 'peeves' that DK has with his Stirling Engined purifiers and generators? It's great tech and he wants to make it available to the poorer areas of Africa. He wants the gov't. of countries to buy the units for their people, but, as in all AH backward 'governments' they want if for free. As with the monies that GWB pledged for the AIDs programs, isn't it easier to grab cash that's given away?;)

I don't know enough about B and M Gates philanthropy other that it's got a lot of zeroes behind a prime number?;) It's good to see money pledged to good causes.

I love to see the inventions/medicine and tech breakthroughs that help the masses. Having 'seen' the some of the advances in surgeries for years, it's exciting to know that someone is working on the problems in HC.

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Here's a tidbit that effing floored me when I heard it yesterday.

Howard Dean, when asked about the HCR bill did not include tort reform answered,

"We didn't want to take on the laywers."

That should answer the question we all have been asking about why are med care prices so high?

So,
The base root of why we are totally screwed with the costs of HC in the country will be left to their own devices....

And the Dems have the effing nerve to claim that the Repubs walked away from the table?

There was nothing being served that was worth waiting for. The pomposity and inability of everyone to get a grip on what is really happening in HC is downright scary.

Heaven forbid any politico's loved one gets ill and needs any treatment. Only then can we expect any kind of movement on that particular front.

I wonder if there is an outbreak of hemorrhoids in the congress and senate-seems like we are being forced to endure loads of BS from most of the people in those offices.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Lifetime political "service" may be part of the problem. The lifers realize how cushy of a job they have. They don't need to work for a living, so there is no incentive. IMO, there should be term limits all the way from dog catcher to POTUS.

I think term limits is an interesting concept but there are downsides. From a human capital management perspective - does this go for all position paid with tax dollars? How long is the learning curve? If the "term" ends just as the incumbent has fully mastered the job - what's the benefit? What is the ability of the organization to attract the quality they need with term limits?

Working out a system of term limits could be almost as complicated as solving the healthcare crisis!:D

[blue]

Oh dear, how little you know me. I'm English. I'm far too serious to play games.

And you have no excuses for your silly little shenanigans. Perhaps if you felt you were being baited, then it would have been a good idea not to bite the bait.

Your song may be different but the game is the same, the English are just more subtle.

I make no excuses for that resturant with all that funny stuff plastered on the wall.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/macgyver987/Shenanigans.png

:D

Its not the baiting I mind, its when they chum the waters like Brody in the movie Jaws.


You didn't exactly expand on what you said before, but oh well.

In the latest Iraqi election, how many of those women, now with the liberation of exercising such equal rights, actually used them? What proportion chose to stay in their homes, lest they risked the violence they would face, the violence fueled by anger at a Western presence?

The MSM showed a large portion of women voters in Iraq. Its possible alot were stoned after the elections. What about the decades of violence the Iraqi people lived under during Sadam's rule?

You can lead a camel to water but you cant make it drink, is the common saying. Obama has left the camel behind, along with our soldiers and yours.


Yes

Did they get that Right after Shaw was ousted, or before?


Well, in a lot of ways he is.

Stimulus. The wars. Growing debt. More unconstitutional "czars".

Almost ALL politicians are the same.

The Kennedy Dynasty=good. The Bush Dynasty=bad. If Hillary ever gets to be POTUS, Clinton Dynasty=good.


As someone pointed out to me when I was complaining about some politicians once...have you ever run for office?

So those who are carping...calling all or almost all politicians evil or morons or thieves...

Have you run for office? Have you worked on the campaign of someone you think would be better?

Or is it easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle?

So you have to run for office to complain? You cant carp when the loonies are running the loony bin? Flamethrowers do tend to fix alot of problems.


I don't believe all are anything. Just as people who go into the military do it to make the world a safer place, I think most politicians run for office because they want to make the government better.

Making the world a better place is far different and a nobler ideal then making the government better.


As we all know those Founding Fathers were also politicians!

The Founding Fathers actually went out and fought for what they believed in, they didnt go out and spend years raising money to get ellected.


Do some politicians go bad? Sure. Do some in the military go bad? Sure. Heck, so do some teachers, lawyers, doctors, business people, athletes, etc. etc, etc.

I just have never like labeling ALL of anything good or evil.

Shades of Grey, thats a Gratefull Dead song isnt it?

I agree though, not all illegal imigrants are here to commit crime, but they are criminals because they are here illegaly.


A real piece of work.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

He may have been as tired or as lazy as I was that night, yet he put more effort into his response then you did. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bub!:D

But then you....

http://itsmelove.exteen.com/images/See%20no%20Evil%20%20Speak%20no%20Evil%20Hear%20no %20Evil%201.jpg

;)




After all...I've never seen name calling win an argument or enhance a discussion yet.

Is that why you belittle people, talk down to people, and insult people to make your points?


I think term limits is an interesting concept but there are downsides. From a human capital management perspective - does this go for all position paid with tax dollars? How long is the learning curve? If the "term" ends just as the incumbent has fully mastered the job - what's the benefit? What is the ability of the organization to attract the quality they need with term limits?

Working out a system of term limits could be almost as complicated as solving the healthcare crisis!:D

Term limits would simplify the political process. Bills wouldnt languish in committees for years, things might actually get done for the actual good of the people, and not for the greater good, of the greater good of the greater good.

The longer politicians are in office the greater they complicate things. T Kennedy and whether or not his seat should be filled by appointment or by special ellection is a good example of complicating the political process.

[RICHARD]

Howinthehe!! did we get off the (once polite) debating on the theme of this thread? I'm just disgusted.



http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9070025&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/redeye/

Gotta whip this dead horse one more time.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Gotta whip this dead horse one more time.

Why?

[smokey the elder]

I think term limits is an interesting concept but there are downsides. From a human capital management perspective - does this go for all position paid with tax dollars? How long is the learning curve? If the "term" ends just as the incumbent has fully mastered the job - what's the benefit? What is the ability of the organization to attract the quality they need with term limits?

Working out a system of term limits could be almost as complicated as solving the healthcare crisis!:D

I should have stipulated "elected offices". The term limit number may be related to the office. POTUS has the toughest learning curve of all; you have at most 8 years to take a crack at it!

[smokey the elder]

The Dead song is "Touch of Grey", by the way.:p

[RICHARD]

The Dead song is "Touch of Grey", by the way.:p

Its a lesson to me, the ablers and the beggars and the thieves
The abcs we all think of, try to win a little love.

I know the rent is in arrears, the dog has not been fed in years
Its even worse than it appears, but its all right

Cow is giving kerosene, kid cant read at seventeen
The words he knows are all obscene, but its all right
I will get by, I will get by, I will get by, I will survive.

Shoe is on the hand that fits, thats all there really is to it
Whistle through your teeth and spit, but its all right

We will survive!:D

[smokey the elder]

Air traffic controllers are not elected. They are part of a union. Term limits apply to those elected to office.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I realize air traffic controllers are not elected. Nor are dog catchers.

Just trying to discuss the concept of term limits from both sides.

[blue]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9070025&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/redeye/

Gotta whip this dead horse one more time.

I was hoping that was the one with Interplanetary Correspondent Oderus Urungus. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfdFV5v2Nk)


The Dead song is "Touch of Grey", by the way.:p

Dang it, I was somewhat close at least. Swing and a miss.

[RICHARD]

I was hoping that was the one with Interplanetary Correspondent Oderus Urungus. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfdFV5v2Nk)





LOL, good stuff.

[smokey the elder]

In the words of the Geico Caveman: " I QUIT! I get it , but I quit." I cannot seem to get across my true views in the one-dimensional written word.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Thankfully, the Bible cannot be taught in public schools. After all, Jesus Christ was a socialist and teaching the Bible in school might be an attempt to spread a socialist agenda!

[Puckstop31]

Thankfully, the Bible cannot be taught in public schools. After all, Jesus Christ was a socialist and teaching the Bible in school might be an attempt to spread a socialist agenda!

Indeed. With one HUGE difference. He taught us to be kind to each other of our own free will. Not to have Big Brother FORCE us to be charitable. We should be good to each other beacause its the right thing to do and not because there is a gun to my head if I am not.

Its the same line of thought as the "Christians" who try to use FEAR to lead people to Christ. "Believe in Him or you going to ROT IN HELL!!!"


But I will give you an "atta girl" for the try. :)

[Edwina's Secretary]

So it is the Ten Suggestions? not the Ten Commandments?

I am ashamed for and embarrassed by people who think that a message to stay in school, work hard, take responsibility for your education espouses socialism.

I guess by that measure, when Bush II read a book about a goat to school children he was espousing beastiality.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What fools...what morons!

[Puckstop31]

So it is the Ten Suggestions? not the Ten Commandments?

God is perfect. Mankind is far from it. Thus, due to our sinful nature, we rarely adhere to His Commandments. That does not mean we should not try.

Now, I know what you might want to say.... But I also believe God wants us to adhere to his Commandments by free choice.


I am ashamed for and embarrassed by people who think that a message to stay in school, work hard, take responsibility for your education espouses socialism.

Oh, if it that was the only message... But, as usual, you seem to omit the necessary context. Recall the original version of his idea, per the letter Arne Duncan had sent to schools, had in part a request to "write papers where the students could come up with ideas on how to help the President."

THAT is typical "progressive" indoctrination.


I guess by that measure, when Bush II read a book about a goat to school children he was espousing beastiality.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Again, had you not omitted the necessary context, you could be correct here.


What fools...what morons!

There ya go! THATS the ES we know and love. ;)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Thus, due to our sinful nature, we rarely adhere to His Commandments.


What a pity. To which ones do you not adhere?:D:D

Here's an example of a president asking school children to help him by sending a dollar to Afghanistan.

Bush wants dollars (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/kids/stateoftheunion/children-letter.html)

Guess Bush was a socialist too!:D:D

(I borrowed the moron and stupid line from another poster...should I give him a footnote?)

[Puckstop31]

What a pity. To which ones do you not adhere?:D:D

I often do not honor the Sabbath. Work is that busy. I often take the Lords name in vain. Try as I might to avoid it. I AM only human ya know. :)

As for the rest of them I think I do pretty well.


How about you?


Here's an example of a president asking school children to help him by sending a dollar to Afghanistan.

Bush wants dollars (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/kids/stateoftheunion/children-letter.html)

Guess Bush was a socialist too!:D:D

He sure was! He ended up being a "conservative" by European standards. Lookie there, we agree on something. :)


(I borrowed the moron and stupid line from another poster...should I give him a footnote?)


It might help... Save me some unecessary keystrokes.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country! Oh my gosh! Another socialist...

So..let's recap...

Jesus Christ - socialist

John F. Kennedy - socialist

George W. Bush - socialist

Barak H. Obama - socialist

Encouraging kids to get an education - socialist

Even Joe Scarborough is making fun of this silliness

It is just so embarrassing! Morons:rolleyes:

[Medusa]

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country! Oh my gosh! Another socialist...

So..let's recap...

Jesus Christ - socialist

John F. Kennedy - socialist

George W. Bush - socialist

Barak H. Obama - socialist

Encouraging kids to get an education - socialist

Even Joe Scarborough is making fun of this silliness

It is just so embarrassing! Morons:rolleyes:

Whose opinion is it that matters so much that you are embarrassed before them?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Whose opinion is it that matters so much that you are embarrassed before them?

I am not only embarrassed before people whose opinion matters "so much" to me. I am also embarrassed before people whose opinion does not matter much to me.

I'm embarrassed by the petty and mean-spiritied behavior that is being exhibited.

Name calling.

People who can't find anything better to complain about than the president of the United States encouraging kids to get an education.

When I was in school we had to watch the State of the Union Address and discuss it. I don't remember anyone getting excited about that. No parents pulled their kids out of school because they did not like the current president!

I'm willing to bet you that a whole lot of presidents...and presidents' wives have visited schools and not created such angst - even though distracting them from reading, writing and arithmetic!

But putting that aside. It is the name calling...Nazi...Socialist... Communist...It is sickening.

Just as some people feel the need to apologize on behalf of the state in which they live...I feel the need to apologize for the behavior of some of my fellow countrymen.

[RICHARD]

Whose opinion is it that matters so much that you are embarrassed before them?

There's a difference between asking for people to be "social" and forcing people to do it.

As PS alluded to in his posts.

We are not all perfect, we do what we can, the best as we can while living. The sin is in believing that someone is perfect and never having the huevos to look 'into' the person who tells you they are perfect.

I wonder how the prez would do if he had to confront all the lies and other BS that surrounds him??

Like going to church and being unconcious for 15-20 years?
Like dodging questions about sumbag friends?
Or lying to the public by promising all kinds of good crap then backing down.
(here you can pretty much blame all politicians-but uneasy is the head that wears the crown?)

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What about the FW Chucky Rangel, and the Green Job Czar- both those FAs talk their racist BS - when they feel the heat of people figuring out what sumbags, liars and DBs they are, they fall back on the favorite lines that blame everything on people who are lighter in skin than they are.

A fave talk show host used to say, We are all black on the inside.

Possibly the worst sin that people have committed is to fall under the spell of the false prophet they elected to office.

Vanity, It really sucks when you think that way, then find out that foot of the god you have worshipping at has the same dog crap that everyone before him stepped into.

If you can walk on water or levitate, you don't have that problem.:eek::confused::mad:

[Edwina's Secretary]

I am reminded of the commercial...where is the beef???

I guess some people just think if they keep saying socialist...socialist...socialist it will become true.

What is missing from this is any....well socialism.

I don't worship at anybody's feet or anything else.

I just don't get how "get an education" becomes socialism.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Medusa]

I am not only embarrassed berore people whose opinion matters "so much" to me. I am also embarrassed before people whose opinion does not matter much to me.

I'm embarrassed by the petty and mean-spiritied behavior that is being exhibited.

Name calling.

People who can't find anything better to complain about than the president of the United States encouraging kids to get an education.

When I was in school we had to watch the State of the Union Address and discuss it. I don't remember anyone getting excited about that. No parents pulled their kids out of school because they did not like the current president!

I'm willing to bet you that a whole lot of presidents...and presidents' wives have visited schools and not created such angst - even though distracting them from reading, writing and arithmetic!

But putting that aside. It is the name calling...Nazi...Socialist... Communist...It is sickening.

Just as some people feel the need to apologize on behalf of the state in which they live...I feel the need to apologize for the behavior of some of my fellow countrymen.

Ok, now I really don't understand. If there are people whose opinion doesn't matter to you, how can you be embarrassed then? For ex.: if my child behaved badly in public, I couldn't be embarrassed for him, that's impossible and he's obviously not embarrassed or he'd discontinue the behavior. I could only be embarrassed for myself in the presence of others because of my apparent lack of disciplinary skills. If no one was there to observe my child's obnoxious behavior, I couldn't be embarrassed. So when you say that you're embarrassed, who is it exactly that is embarrassing you? You say that you don't like name calling; I don't like it either. You say that you're disgusted by it; so am I. However, I'm not embarrassed because I don't name call. Disgusted, absolutely. Embarrassed, impossible. And to whom are you apologizing?

[Medusa]

I am reminded of the commercial...where is the beef???

I guess some people just think if they keep saying socialist...socialist...socialist it will become true.

What is missing from this is any....well socialism.

I don't worship at anybody's feet or anything else.

I just don't get how "get an education" becomes socialism.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

This is what I posted in another thread:


People should be able to disagree w/Obama and to protest and/or keep their kids home from school that day w/out being villified. He should address school kids if he so desires as other presidents before him have done. However, "Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to "build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama."" This is unnecessary. If he wants to do a PSA, sure, why not? To "give teachers guidance" is out of his realm and he should stay out.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I am apologizing to anyone who is offended by the name calling.

Editing because I think I understand your question now Medusa!

If I had a son who was ill-behaved I would be embarrassed whether I knew the people who witnessed the ill-behavior or not, whether I respected the opinion of the people or not...of even if there were any others who witnessed it. It is the behavior that embarrasses me.

Does that help?

[blue]

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country!

What Obama is asking, "What can you do for your president". Thats a big difference.


Jesus Christ - socialist

Jesus wanted people to be charitable, he didnt advocate the redistribution of wealth by force.


George W. Bush - socialist

With the example you gave...

Bush wants dollars. (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/kids/stateoftheunion/children-letter.html)

Bush was asking children to be compassionate and charitable. He didnt force them to give up their dollars to give away to others.


Barak H. Obama - socialist

While it does seem that way the jury is still out.


Encouraging kids to get an education - socialist

Even Joe Scarborough is making fun of this silliness

It is just so embarrassing! Morons:rolleyes:

Encouraging kids=socialist? No.

Government lesson plan=socialist? Yes.

[blue]

Name calling.


What fools...what morons!


Morons:rolleyes:

:confused:


People who can't find anything better to complain about than the president of the United States.

We just got done with 8 years of this, and you object to it now?


When I was in school we had to watch the State of the Union Address and discuss it. I don't remember anyone getting excited about that. No parents pulled their kids out of school because they did not like the current president!

You also didnt get a lesson plan from the Whitehouse.


I'm willing to bet you that a whole lot of presidents...and presidents' wives have visited schools and not created such angst - even though distracting them from reading, writing and arithmetic!

Because they were special and rare occasions, I bet you are right.


But putting that aside. It is the name calling...Nazi...Socialist... Communist...It is sickening.

I bet you werent sickened by those names over the last 8 years.


Just as some people feel the need to apologize on behalf of the state in which they live...I feel the need to apologize for the behavior of some of my fellow countrymen.

You feel the need to apologise for the behaviors/opinions of others?

[RICHARD]

It's BARACK, with a 'c'.

[blue]

it's barack, with a 'c'.

lmfao!!!

[blue]

David Horowitz on Glenn Beck. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W276ICvVAd4)

[Edwina's Secretary]

unconcious


It is unconscious...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

Bush was asking children to be compassionate and charitable. He didnt force them to give up their dollars to give away to others.




GWB stole that idea from Soupy Sales.
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/soupy1.asp

:eek::o;)

[Medusa]

I am apologizing to anyone who is offended by the name calling.

Editing because I think I understand your question now Medusa!

If I had a son who was ill-behaved I would be embarrassed whether I knew the people who witnessed the ill-behavior or not, whether I respected the opinion of the people or not...of even if there were any others who witnessed it. It is the behavior that embarrasses me.

Does that help?

Yes, it does help but I guess I should be more succinct. In this case the people who are criticizing Obama's speaking to the classrooms believe that their conduct is none other than just and right. They aren't behaving badly but are merely exercising their right of free speech and are taking responsibility for their children's education. They are doing nothing for which to be embarrassed and you cannot be embarrassed for someone else. In whose eyes are you embarrassed and to whom are you apologizing, please?

[Medusa]

It is unconscious...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Did you know what each other meant? Why correct someone's spelling? We all make mistakes. I could've corrected yours a few paragraphs back but chose not to because it's impolite to correct someone in the "presence" of others. Seriously, manners seem to disappear on PT at times.

[Puckstop31]

I am not only embarrassed before people whose opinion matters "so much" to me. I am also embarrassed before people whose opinion does not matter much to me.

I'm embarrassed by the petty and mean-spiritied behavior that is being exhibited.

Name calling.

"Pukestop" thinks you are full of horse dookie.

Oh, right... It was a "typo". ;)


FWIW, politics and it's discussion has been petty and mean spirited since, well, the fall of man I suppose. So please don't be embarrassed simply for your country. Be embarrassed by your species. :)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Did you know what each other meant? Why correct someone's spelling? We all make mistakes. I could've corrected yours a few paragraphs back but chose not to because it's impolite to correct someone in the "presence" of others. Seriously, manners seem to disappear on PT at times.

Medusa...why don't you direct your question to RICHARD?

You are not exactly Miss Manners so give it a rest.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yes, it does help but I guess I should be more succinct. In this case the people who are criticizing Obama's speaking to the classrooms believe that their conduct is none other than just and right. They aren't behaving badly but are merely exercising their right of free speech and are taking responsibility for their children's education. They are doing nothing for which to be embarrassed and you cannot be embarrassed for someone else. In whose eyes are you embarrassed and to whom are you apologizing, please?

Medusa - feel free to twist my words and meaning around all you want. That does seem to be a sport of some people on PetTalk. You know and I know that we disagree on this subject.

You see just and right - I see petty and mean spirited.

I see calling the president of the United States a socialist to be narrow minded and uneducated.

And please, do not tell me what I am allowed to feel and what I am not.

For the last time...I am embarrassed by the conduct of some of my fellow countrymen and I do not need your permission to feel that way.

[Medusa]

Medusa...why don't you direct your question to RICHARD?

You are not exactly Miss Manners so give it a rest.

I did say did you know what each other meant. I wasn't picking on you. And coming from you, your comment to me is laughable.

[Medusa]

Medusa - feel free to twist my words and meaning around all you want. That does seem to be a sport of some people on PetTalk. You know and I know that we disagree on this subject.

You see just and right - I see petty and mean spirited.

I see calling the president of the United States a socialist to be narrow minded and uneducated.

And please, do not tell me what I am allowed to feel and what I am not.

For the last time...I am embarrassed by the conduct of some of my fellow countrymen and I do not need your permission to feel that way.

I did not twist your words nor did I say that you are not allowed to feel a certain way. That is twisting words.

[Edwina's Secretary]

you cannot be embarrassed for someone else

Twisted? Right there you tell me what I cannot feel.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I did say did you know what each other meant. I wasn't picking on you. And coming from you, your comment to me is laughable.

You would be alot more believable if you had quoted the first person to point out a typo. But..not your style.

Glad I gave you a laugh.

[Medusa]

Twisted? Right there you tell me what I cannot feel.

I stand corrected. Feel better now?

[Edwina's Secretary]

I stand corrected. Feel better now?

Sure, if you do.

The more I think about it....not really. I will when you "correct" others in the same manner you do me.....

[RICHARD]

I stand corrected. Feel better now?

You can stand corrected then sit unmolested.;)


I try not to engage people in battles that go back and forth...Especially when they are 100% right all the time. It kinda effs up my idea that I am perfect.:(:confused::rolleyes:

I haven't seen Miss Manners on the site, but I really think that we might aspire to be as polite and cultured as she is?

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Now, that we have done that.....

About the name calling?

I am not the person that has the best manners or couth on this site, but I do reserve the right to call MY politicians morons, idiots or jerks.

I am sure that the politicians that everyone else elected are model citizens and beacons of Liberty, Truth and the American way....Son of a Gun, I think I just messed myself while I typed that......

I stopped trying to defend my 'party' and the scumbags that pretend to look after my best interests-all while the glad hand me one way and pick my pocket with the other hand.

It's really embarrassing to go with the person you have maximum faith in, only to find out that he's got a cigar and intern fetish.

I liked the Clintons and really thought, at that time, spending a little 'free' time putting an 'idea' into the head of an intern was no one's business except bill, hillary and monica's.

Then I began to see that if I pulled something off like that, I wouldn't get any slack or second chance.

The it hit me.

What kind of AH would invite a little hottie into the Oval Office and make a mess of the whole encounter-I am being deliberately 'cute' with my descriptions, so read into them what you will?

I had a wonderful 'conversation' with a Liberal idiot and brought up the fact that Slick Willie had offended me by getting serviced in the OO and then had the nutz to lie about it.

My tax dollars paid for it? (and YES, I would have liked a job with bennies like that, I will not lie.)

This guy walked around the corner to his desk and after a few tense moments yells, "YOU AH....."

I didn't say anything after that-a few moments later I hear- "I didn't call you an AH, I was talking to the computer." come from the corner.

I really didn't care who he called an AH, but right then I learned how liberals think, act and behave.

So, if I give you short shrift and laugh at a post, idea or name you toss my way? Do not feel offended, do not take it personally either.

I just have no respect for you or your group of cowardly "lyins", It's very hard to get close to the rudeness that passes for you being true to your school.

The saddest part of political arguements is the thought that we try to get a point across to each other and most of the time people do not even have to 'manners' to answer in a non combative way.

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I admire some of the people on this site and thread because they are WAY deeper into the what the Constitution, BOR and all the laws and impending bills mean and how they will affect the country. That is really effing cool.

I wish I had spent more time on those subjects as opposed to biology and anatomy-I was more interested what parts women had under their clothes:eek::cool::o


Please do not take any offense at the names I call politicians, I only have patience with the ones I voted for, The idiots you elected are the problems you and I have to deal with.:confused::eek::p

[Medusa]

Sure, if you do.

The more I think about it....not really.

So be it.

[Medusa]

You can stand corrected then sit unmolested.;)


I try not to engage people in battles that go back and forth...Especially when they are 100% right all the time. It kinda effs up my idea that I am perfect.:(:confused::rolleyes:

I haven't seen Miss Manners on the site, but I really think that we might aspire to be as polite and cultured as she is?

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Now, that we have done that.....

About the name calling?

I am not the person that has the best manners or couth on this site, but I do reserve the right to call MY politicians morons, idiots or jerks.

I am sure that the politicians that everyone else elected are model citizens and beacons of Liberty, Truth and the American way....Son of a Gun, I think I just messed myself while I typed that......

I stopped trying to defend my 'party' and the scumbags that pretend to look after my best interests-all while the glad hand me one way and pick my pocket with the other hand.

It's really embarrassing to go with the person you have maximum faith in, only to find out that he's got a cigar and intern fetish.

I liked the Clintons and really thought, at that time, spending a little 'free' time putting an 'idea' into the head of an intern was no one's business except bill, hillary and monica's.

Then I began to see that if I pulled something off like that, I wouldn't get any slack or second chance.

The it hit me.

What kind of AH would invite a little hottie into the Oval Office and make a mess of the whole encounter-I am being deliberately 'cute' with my descriptions, so read into them what you will?

I had a wonderful 'conversation' with a Liberal idiot and brought up the fact that Slick Willie had offended me by getting serviced in the OO and then had the nutz to lie about it.

My tax dollars paid for it? (and YES, I would have liked a job with bennies like that, I will not lie.)

This guy walked around the corner to his desk and after a few tense moments yells, "YOU AH....."

I didn't say anything after that-a few moments later I hear- "I didn't call you an AH, I was talking to the computer." come from the corner.

I really didn't care who he called an AH, but right then I learned how liberals think, act and behave.

So, if I give you short shrift and laugh at a post, idea or name you toss my way? Do not feel offended, do not take it personally either.

I just have no respect for you or your group of cowardly "lyins", It's very hard to get close to the rudeness that passes for you being true to your school.

The saddest part of political arguements is the thought that we try to get a point across to each other and most of the time people do not even have to 'manners' to answer in a non combative way.

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I admire some of the people on this site and thread because they are WAY deeper into the what the Constitution, BOR and all the laws and impending bills mean and how they will affect the country. That is really effing cool.

I wish I had spent more time on those subjects as opposed to biology and anatomy-I was more interested what parts women had under their clothes:eek::cool::o


Please do not take any offense at the names I call politicians, I only have patience with the ones I voted for, The idiots you elected are the problems you and I have to deal with.:confused::eek::p

It isn't the name calling of politicians that I object to as much as I object to people on PT and those who disagree w/them and/or politicians that get called fools, morons, etc. We can disagree w/out being villified, can't we? This constant back and forth picking at each other's grammar, spelling, etc. is childish and tedious and it makes visiting the DH an unpleasant experience when it could be one of mutual learning and an exchange of ideas.

[RICHARD]

It isn't the name calling of politicians that I object to as much as I object to people on PT and those who disagree w/them and/or politicians that get called fools, morons, etc.

Agreed.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I know what I am. Opinionated, outspoken, lean liberal...sometimes obnoxious.

I don't pretend to be something I am not.

What I object to...is people who think it is okay for them to spout off and then act all offended when others do it. You know...live in glass houses?

And yes...I am talking to you.

I deleted the sewing machine thread becauses of your "villifying"...

[pomtzu]

You know...live in glass houses?

And the pot that calls the kettle black, and all the other quaint little sayings that have been around forever...........

So where is this thread going and what purpose does it serve anymore? All I see happening, is barbs being tossed, people getting pissed off, some valued members leaving the forum - and for what????

Frankly, and for what my opinion is worth, I would like to see political "debates and discussions", banned from PT. It seems no matter how civil these threads start out to be, they just go down the drain in no time at all. It's a shame that as adults, we can't set a better example for the younger members - and non members also - who are free to read all the mean-spirited things that transpire here. Quite the message that is going out for all the world to see, isn't it? :(

Last night before I logged off, I emailed a friend, and said I had my fill of PT nonsense for the day, and I was going to watch something soothing and relaxing on t.v. - like wild animals tearing each other apart on Animal Planet. :rolleyes: It seems yesterday (and today) have been extra vicious here - those Animal Planet shows seem calm in comparision. :eek:

[Miss Z]

I know what I am. Opinionated, outspoken, lean liberal...sometimes obnoxious.

I don't pretend to be something I am not.

What I object to...is people who think it is okay for them to spout off and then act all offended when others do it. You know...live in glass houses?


Couldn't agree more.

Someone appreciates your posts, Sara. ;)



Frankly, and for what my opinion is worth, I would like to see political "debates and discussions", banned from PT. It seems no matter how civil these threads start out to be, they just go down the drain in no time at all. It's a shame that as adults, we can't set a better example for the younger members


LOL, speaking as a younger member, it seems I must have been affected by threads like these, and look what's become of me. :p

Where there's politics, there's arguement. It's no surprise. Sometimes I take parts of this thread with a pinch of salt, but I do appreciate it's existence for the purpose of comparing different political systems, and I would be quite disappointed if threads like this were to become banned. Allow a young lady her cultural delights. ;)

[blue]

In another attempt to drag this thread back on course.


Obama's 'green jobs' adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy over past statements

By WILL LESTER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's adviser Van Jones has resigned amid controversy over past inflammatory statements, the White House said early Sunday.

Jones, an administration official specializing in environmentally friendly "green jobs" with the White House Council on Environmental Quality was linked to efforts suggesting a government role in the 2001 terror attacks and to derogatory comments about Republicans.

The resignation comes as Obama is working to regain his footing in the contentious health care debate.

Jones issued an apology on Thursday for his past statements. When asked the next day whether Obama still had confidence in him, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said only that Jones "continues to work in the administration."

The matter surfaced after news reports of a derogatory comment Jones made in the past about Republicans, and separately, of Jones' name appearing on a petition connected to the events surrounding the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. That 2004 petition had asked for congressional hearings and other investigations into whether high-level government officials had allowed the attacks to occur.

"On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me," Jones said in his resignation statement. "They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide."

Jones said he has been "inundated with calls from across the political spectrum urging me to stay and fight."

But he said he cannot in good conscience ask his colleagues to spend time and energy defending or explaining his past.

Jones flatly said in an earlier statement that he did not agree with the petition's stand on the 9/11 attacks and that "it certainly does not reflect my views, now or ever."

As for his other comments he made before joining Obama's team, Jones said, "If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize."

Despite his apologies, Republicans demanded Jones quit.

Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana said in a statement, "His extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate." Missouri Sen. Christopher Bonds said Congress should investigate Jones's fitness the job.

Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck repeatedly denounced Jones after a group the adviser co-founded, ColorofChange.org, led an advertising boycott against Beck's show to protest his claim that Obama is a racist.

James Rucker, the organization's executive director, has said Jones had nothing to do with ColorofChange.org now and didn't even know about the campaign before it started.

Jones, well-known in the environmental movement, was a civil-rights activist in California before shifting his attention to environmental and energy issues. He is known for laying out a broad vision of a green economy.

Nancy Sutley chair of the council, said in a statement released early Sunday that she accepts Jones resignation and thanked him for his service.

"Over the last six months, he had been a strong voice for creating jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources," she said. "We appreciate his hard work and wish him the best moving forward."

[RICHARD]

Check out what the rev "right" said about HC reform....paraphrased here....


The right wing racists are unhappy that the poor people are getting help.

What a miserable POS.

[blue]

RICHARD, check out Pastor Manning on youtube.

[RICHARD]

RICHARD, check out Pastor Manning on youtube.

My head will explode.

I'll check it out.


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I have to laugh, A Cuh Lee Fuh Nee Ah (I have changed the spelling or the Great, Late, State of CA) THe Governator was up the street dealing with the fires and FF camp in the local park.....It's CUH not CAH, my apologis to all that care.:rolleyes:) politician was caugh on tape talking about his sexcapades.


THis leads me to believe that only Republicans have carnal knowledge.

The Dems get bent out of shape when they hear about S-X and none of them have had to resign because of S-X? So, what does that tell us?:eek:


Take a day off and have fun with your SO. It may brighten your day and actually make you care about things.:confused:

[Grace]

A quote from back in July –

How is The President appointing all these "Czars", Constitutional?

It’s interesting when you know the real title of some of these so-called czars – and when the positions were originally created.

Energy Czar – Director of Federal Energy Adminstration.
Created in 1973 by President Nixon.
When he approached William Simon about the position, Nixon asked him – “Do you want to be my energy czar?”

Drug Czar – Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy
Created in 1989 by President George H.W. Bush

Intelligence Czar – Director of National Intelligence
Created in 2005 by President George W. Bush

Aids Czar – Director of the Office of National Aids Policy
Created by President Clinton

Border Czar – Assistant Secretary for International Affairs and Special Representative for Border Affairs (Department of Homeland Security)
Created by President George W. Bush

Science Czar – Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology.
Created in 1976 by President Ford

Regulatory Czar – Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.
Created in 1980 by President Reagan

[Puckstop31]

A quote from back in July –


It’s interesting when you know the real title of some of these so-called czars – and when the positions were originally created.

Energy Czar – Director of Federal Energy Adminstration.
Created in 1973 by President Nixon.
When he approached William Simon about the position, Nixon asked him – “Do you want to be my energy czar?”

Drug Czar – Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy
Created in 1989 by President George H.W. Bush

Intelligence Czar – Director of National Intelligence
Created in 2005 by President George W. Bush

Aids Czar – Director of the Office of National Aids Policy
Created by President Clinton

Border Czar – Assistant Secretary for International Affairs and Special Representative for Border Affairs (Department of Homeland Security)
Created by President George W. Bush

Science Czar – Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology.
Created in 1976 by President Ford

Regulatory Czar – Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.
Created in 1980 by President Reagan

Oh I know... This President is just taking it to a new level. The latest in a line of "leaders" who do not uphold the oath they take.

From Article 2, Section 2. "...and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law:"

[RICHARD]

Heard this last night.


Is BO eligible for a Clash for Clunkers rebate?

He got rid of his "Van"....:confused:


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23 more czars to go!:eek:

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here we go!
the prez speaks.:D

[blue]

Apperently the Anointed One cant keep to a schedual, unless there is some serius lag at whitehouse.gov.

[RICHARD]

Apperently the Anointed One cant keep to a schedual, unless there is some serius lag at whitehouse.gov.

:D

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THis makes my spine go stiff.

prez,

It's MASTECTOMY-not massectomy.

Hey, there's Charlie Rangel! No blood on his hands.


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GIVE ME DETAILS.......Ai! Dios!:rolleyes:


:D

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You are now watching the demise of Heathcare in America.

LOL.

Fistula in ano.

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http://news.aol.com/article/california-assembyman-mike-duvall-quits/662973?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews. aol.com%2Farticle%2Fcalifornia-assembyman-mike-duvall-quits%2F662973


Wheeeeeee!

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Did you see Nutsy's face when someone yelled LIES. UGH! I had flashbacks of Sister Mary Torquemada's mug twist into the devil incarnate.

[blue]

Ild like to buy whomever yelled "LIAR" a beer.

[RICHARD]

Ild like to buy whomever yelled "LIAR" a beer.

A beer? If I can afford a bottle of Patron....:D;)


well, that was informative. I am forcing myself to listen to Keith Olberman...I can't hear him because he's got his head shoved someplace.

[Grace]

How nasty has the political discourse in Washington gotten? During his speech to Congress tonight, President Obama defended his health care plan, saying that he had never proposed providing coverage to illegal immigrants. “You lie!” shouted Rep. Joe Wilson, a Republican from South Carolina, prompting Obama to briefly pause in the delivery of his speech and eye his heckler. No doubt emotions are often heated during these joint sessions with the president and members of Congress, but decorum typically rules—except for tonight, apparently. In an interview with CNN afterwards, Sen. John McCain trashed Wilson’s heckling and urged him to apologize. “Totally disrespectful,” McCain said. So far, no comment from Wilson or his congressional office.

One thing is for sure: Wilson’s outburst didn’t do the GOP any favors tonight, particularly against a backdrop of a speech in which Obama went after his critics to either put up or shut up on health care reform. It completely overshadowed the official Republican response to Obama’s speech. Rep. Charles Boustany, a cardiothoracic surgeon from Louisiana, urged Obama to scrap the current bill and start anew with true bipartisan negotiations. “We agree much needs to be done to lower the cost of health care for all Americans. On that goal, Republicans are ready — and we've been ready — to work with the President for common-sense reforms that our nation can afford,” he said.

more -


By 10:30 p.m., Wilson had apologized.

"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me," Wilson said. "While I disagree with the president's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility."

[blue]

I bet Rep. Joe Wilson gets re-elected by a large margin, he shouldnt have apologized.

THe look of shock on Nutzies face was priceless!

[Lady's Human]

Rep. Wilson displayed abhorrent behavior.

Regardless of what you think of the President's plans, acting like a buffoon during a nationally televised speech is completely inappropriate.

[Cinder & Smoke]

OMG!

Did he really SAY that?
I couldn't believe what I heard! :eek:





Rep. Wilson displayed abhorrent behavior.

Regardless of what you think of the President's plans,
acting like a buffoon during a nationally televised speech is completely inappropriate.

Make your Mommy proud, goof-ball! :rolleyes:

That remark will probably eliminate his receiving a White House Christmas Card this year!

[blue]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4018/hulkavl3.jpg

[Lady's Human]

No, I won't lighten up.

I won't let my 4 or 8 year old children behave in that manner.

For a supposed adult to act like that in a joint session of congress is beyond the pale.

Rep. Wilson wasn't the only member acting like a buffoon, the Rep. from Tx with a sign around his neck, various reps. waving papers around....

It's Congress, not a damned circus.

If the Republicans continue to behave like children, then they deserve ridicule and scorn, not respect. While the leadership of the House has been less than desireable, it doesn't justify their actions.

[RICHARD]

About the "illegals won't get HC" comment?

My opinion does not matter-here is the reality.

The Dems do not want to have to be I.D'ed for anything.....What will their stand be when they have to produce a insurance card or ID to gte care?

THAT would be the only way to insure the care goes to legal citizens in the country. (we could do microchips or forearm tattoos, that's still to be seen.:rolleyes:)

If HC is pulled from the IAs, does BO take the chance of alienating the "Young Hispanic Voting Bloc" who have family members here illegally and have been given HC for years?

What about the people, knowing that they will be turned away from ERs/Med Centers because the are IA's? They then will only go to be seen when their condition is critical and we will have no choice but to treat them. We'll assume the cost of their care at a higher rate because they waited until they were almost dead?:rolleyes:

What are the issues that will come up when the legal sys begins to take on clients whose loved ones died/or became sicker because the were denied/afraid/waited too long to get medical health?

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The 10 p.m. "Noticiero" is in a few minutes. This should be interesting.

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I didn't know he yelled, 'you lie', I thought it was just lies.

Oops!

[blue]

Then the administration should have treated it like he was speaking to Congress and not a campaign event.

The POTUS should have arrived on time to speak at 8pm, not 8:10. The circus that was the members of the congressional branch greeting and escorting the POTUS, and the fawning over the POTUS cabinet like they where welcoming royalty, to me, was abhorrent.

Even with a teleprompter, he still stumbled all over his speech.

[blue]

I didn't know he yelled, 'you lie', I thought it was just lies.

Oops!

Heck, I thought it was "Liar!"

Oops.

[Lady's Human]

The POTUS should have arrived on time to speak at 8pm, not 8:10. The circus that was the members of the congressional branch greeting and escorting the POTUS, and the fawning over the POTUS cabinet like they where welcoming royalty, to me, was abhorrent.


Find me video of a speech to Congress where the party leaders of the POTUS's party don't do that.

[blue]

Ild find it abhorrent for any POTUS or House of Congress to pull this kind circus act.

When you go to a play and the the curtain is suposed to go up at 8:00, wouldnt you be irked if the curtain didnt go up until 8:10? Before the curtain went up wouldnt you be irked if the stage hands came out and announced they were escorting the prima donna into the theater?

Rep. Wilson deserves a slap on the back and an atta boy.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Rep. Wilson deserves a slap on the back and an atta boy.


Maybe a *slap* on the back of the HEAD ...

but NO atta boy, that's for sure. :p

[blue]

Your right. An atta boy is way to little for exercising his First Amendment rights.

[Lady's Human]

So....

It's okay to exercise your First amendment rights by shouting over someone who is exercising theirs? Yep, great way to debate and solve problems.

Responsibility goes hand in hand with the rights enumerated in the Constitution.

The Representatives have handed the Democrats perfect examples of Republican behavior which they'd be foolish not to use in a campaign. It's always a bad concept to hand the opposition ammunition.

Note to the Republicans.....when you find yourself in a hole, put down the shovel.

The Representatives have the House floor open to them to speak as they wish daily for one minute speeches. Should the Representative wish to do so, he could use that time to speak his peace.

Interrupting a speech is petty and childish.

You complain about the President arriving 10 minutes late, but it's okay for someone to cause further delay and attempt to turn the speech into a circus?

Nice double standard.

[blue]

Note to the Dems, dont bother with the shovel just get some union goons to do the heavy lifting for you. Heck beat people up while your at it.

Francis, the Dems have been shouting people down for decades, somehow its now in bad taste?

What double standard? The congress bent over backwards and filled the clown car! Dems and Reps alike.

Rep Wilson caused a half second delay with his remark Francis. THe speech was to start at 8:00 PM, who delayed the speech longer? Obama, or Wilson?

[Lady's Human]

Note to the Dems, dont bother with the shovel just get some union goons to do the heavy lifting for you. Heck beat people up while your at it.

Francis, the Dems have been shouting people down for decades, somehow its now in bad taste?

What double standard? The congress bent over backwards and filled the clown car! Dems and Reps alike.

Rep Wilson caused a half second delay with his remark Francis. THe speech was to start at 8:00 PM, who delayed the speech longer? Obama, or Wilson?


Nice broad brush. As a union officer, I guess I'm a "union goon".

Shouting people down is never in good taste. It's churlish behavior which has no place in a debate about an issue that's this important to the people of the US.

Bad behavior doesn't justify bad behavior. So the POTUS was late. Not the first time it has happened, not the first President who has committed the faux pas, and I doubt it will be the last.

BTW, my name isn't Francis.

[blue]

Nice broad brush. As a union officer, I guess I'm a "union goon".

Only if you are beating people up at Town Hall Meetings.


Shouting people down is never in good taste.

I agree with you. Rep Wilson didnt shout Obama down however.


Bad behavior doesn't justify bad behavior. So the POTUS was late. Not the first time it has happened, not the first President who has committed the faux pas, and I doubt it will be the last.

If he didnt act like a celeb, I wouldnt have an issue with it.


BTW, my name isn't Francis.

Then why are you replying to posts addressed to Francis?

[RICHARD]

My whole focus was on Nutsy and the VP.

The look on her face is still making me laugh.

I thought it was someone from the 'peanut gallery' - some bozo that was a guest. The more I hear the Bigger the Oops! is.

But, I still enjoyed NP's reaction - can I please count that as a separation of "Blurt and Gape"?:confused::eek:;)

[blue]

I was hoping for more of a whack-a-mole with Nutsy. Next time the POTUS does a public address we should have a game of BINGO.

[pomtzu]

Apperently the Anointed One cant keep to a schedual, unless there is some serius lag at whitehouse.gov.

What a bunch of petty b.s., and all about a 10 minute delay!!! Some folks here will scrape the bottom of the barrel for something to complain about! :rolleyes:

I'll give him those 10 minutes. Mr President spent 3 hrs in NY that morning, attending a memorial for Walter Cronkite.

I wonder how many other big wigs would have even made an appearance there, let alone stay for the duration, if faced with the prep and rehearsal that was needed for last night's address??

Get a life, blue.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Note to the Republicans.....
when you find yourself in a hole, put down the shovel.


:D
I LIKE that! ;)

I'm not so sure that it only applies to the Elephant Riders ...

Seems like there's a lotta deep holes on both sides of the PT aisles. :p

[Puckstop31]

What Rep. Wilson did was stupid and rude. But its just more of the same. The "D's" booed President Bush during some of his State of the Union addresses.

Lets try this America... Next election, vote for anybody BUT an incumbent.

[sasvermont]

I will vote as I wish, not based on someone else's suggestion.:rolleyes:

And, you get to vote for the persons you want in office.

[Puckstop31]

I will vote as I wish, not based on someone else's suggestion.:rolleyes:

And, you get to vote for the persons you want in office.

Just sharing an idea. Of course you can vote as you wish.

I (and millions more like me) are fed up with the WHOLE system, Republicrats and Demoicans alike.

I find it sad that you would take what I said as an "order". Good grief, do you hate me that much? LOL

[pomtzu]

What Rep. Wilson did was stupid and rude. But its just more of the same. The "D's" booed President Bush during some of his State of the Union addresses.



I'm not Democrat or Republican, but I was truly shocked at the behavior of some of the Republicans last night - waving petitions (or whatever they were holding), being verbally rude, texting on their Blackberry or cell). I frankly don't recall the Dem's booing Bush, but I'm sure they did, and I find that just as appalling. :mad:

They are/were the President's of this country, and they deserve respect, regardless of what we think of them.

[Grace]

Just sharing an idea. Of course you can vote as you wish.

I (and millions more like me) are fed up with the WHOLE system, Republicrats and Demoicans alike.

I find it sad that you would take what I said as an "order". Good grief, do you hate me that much? LOL

Hate is a pretty strong word, don't you think? I didn't even see strong dislike in her post.

[Puckstop31]

Hate is a pretty strong word, don't you think? I didn't even see strong dislike in her post.

Yeah, hate is the wrong word. But the "LOL" was at the end for a reason.

Let me say this though and FWIW... I find it interesting that things are taken in seemingly different contexts based upon who says it. Its not right or wrong mind you, just interesting.

Its all good, ya know? :)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Heard on the radio this morning...the guy Wilson very narrowly beat in the last election has had campaign contributions pouring in since Wilson pitiful performance last night. UPDATE - more than $200,000 since last night.

Good to know there are some people in South Carolina who still understand civilized behavior!

I was ten minutes late yesterday for a lunch meeting. Ran into road construction. I do not like to be late...I do what I can to not be late. But it happens.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I have to laugh, A Cuh Lee Fuh Nee Ah (I have changed the spelling or the Great, Late, State of CA) THe Governator was up the street dealing with the fires and FF camp in the local park.....It's CUH not CAH, my apologis to all that care.:rolleyes:) politician was caugh on tape talking about his sexcapades.


THis leads me to believe that only Republicans have carnal knowledge.

The Dems get bent out of shape when they hear about S-X and none of them have had to resign because of S-X? So, what does that tell us?:eek:



well, well well. Guess who this guy is blaming...

If you need a translation of the above. A state politician was recorded telling in detail of the sex he had with a couple of female lobbyist. And I do mean details. All married of course if that matters.

He resigned.

But...not because he had sex with a couple of lobbyist. Not because he was taped recorded describing salacious details of his sex life.

Because you see...he didn't really have sex with them. He was just enjoying some story telling.:rolleyes:

And his story telling had become a distraction.

And whose fault is all of this according to the story telling politician????

The Media of course!

The fallback of the failed...blame it on the media ...or the MSM if you are a code speaking failure!

[Grace]

well, well well. Guess who this guy is blaming...

If you need a translation of the above. A state politician was recorded telling in detail of the sex he had with a couple of female lobbyist. And I do mean details. All married of course if that matters.

He resigned.

But...not because he had sex with a couple of lobbyist. Not because he was taped recorded describing salacious details of his sex life.

Because you see...he didn't really have sex with them. He was just enjoying some story telling.:rolleyes:

And his story telling had become a distraction.

And whose fault is all of this according to the story telling politician????

The Media of course!

The fallback of the failed...blame it on the media ...or the MSM if you are a code speaking failure!

It was all talk - no action?? I just heard about this on a sports radio show this morning. The host was nothing short of disgusted with Duvall, because he admitted to s-e-x with women - note the plural.

In one article, he is described as a married family-values crusader. Just what the GOP needs - another philandering politician.

So it was just another blow-hard, wanting to be perceived as a hottie :eek:

[Edwina's Secretary]

It was all talk - no action?? I just heard about this on a sports radio show this morning. The host was nothing short of disgusted with Duvall, because he admitted to s-e-x with women - note the plural.

In one article, he is described as a married family-values crusader. Just what the GOP needs - another philandering politician.

So it was just another blow-hard, wanting to be perceived as a hottie :eek:

Yeah...he was just fantisizing...into an open mic...about women with whom he worked. That just about as sick as having sex with someone not your wife - heck, having sex with ANYONE and telling people all the details.

Please. How stupid does he think people are???

But he is an "champion of family values....":rolleyes::rolleyes:

And it is all the fault of the media!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

So it was just another blow-hard, wanting to be perceived as a hottie :eek:

Don't make me spank you!:D

Grace,

Come on, let's look at it from the other standpoint.:eek::o

I find his picking up women on the way home kinda suspicious.

You need permission to spank anyone now a days.

Let's put the blame squarely where it must but laid (what pun?)....

Corporal punishment laws!!

------------------

I love the shock and awe of people getting caught living outside the boundaries of Holy Matrimony.

So, the next time you are out with a SO and happen to see a hottie you'd like to get a DNA sampler from- Damn, this science stuff follows me from thread to thread- stop, run away, take some bleach and use it on your eyes, then drive a screwdriver in your temples.

And quit posting about 'eye candy' while you are at it.:eek:;)

We can't do anything about Global Warming, but you think someone could control Groin-al Warming, the real cause of disharmony on the planet.:confused::eek::o


He's a Republican and he didn't go to another country to have his flings.

SHOP AMERICAN!:D

I forgive him.

[RICHARD]

I won't let my 4 or 8 year old children behave in that manner.

For a supposed adult to act like that in a joint session of congress is beyond the pale.



Which reinforces what I have thought all along.


Kids could run this country better than the puffoons (Sir, are you calling me a puffoon?) in office now.

I remember somewhere back in a thread we were talking about tossing a whole boatload of kids into a playground and watching them figure things out.

There's a great deal to be learned there.:D

[Edwina's Secretary]

Which reinforces what I have thought all along.


Kids could run this country better than the puffoons (Sir, are you calling me a puffoon?) in office now.

I remember somewhere back in a thread we were talking about tossing a whole boatload of kids into a playground and watching them figure things out.

There's a great deal to be learned there.:D

Really!

Think kids are great do you?

Great deal to be learned from them?

What a difference a day makes!




"You can be anything you want!" read a malicious little turd that can grow up to be president.

[Grace]

He's a Republican and he didn't go to another country to have his flings.

SHOP AMERICAN!:D

I forgive him.

Oh Richard, I know I shouldn't encourage you, but this just made me http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/March16th/lol1.gif

And, thankfully, I did not have anything in my mouth http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/3.gif

[RICHARD]

Oh Richard, I know I shouldn't encourage you, but this just made me http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/March16th/lol1.gif

And, thankfully, I did not have anything in my mouth http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/3.gif

I am stopping right there.:eek::D:o

I will say that morning sports radio is not a good place to gather your political views. ;)

I used to listen to ESPN free radio on the way into work and loved Dan Patrick, He was cynical, funny and very dry. Too bad he left the station.:(

[Grace]

I will say that morning sports radio is not a good place to gather your political views. ;)

I used to listen to ESPN free radio on the way into work and loved Dan Patrick, He was cynical, funny and very dry. Too bad he left the station.:(

I listen to ESPN radio. Colin Cowherd is on from 10am - 2pm. We enjoy him.

[lizbud]

I read that Wilson's son (Alan) had announced his intention to run for SC, AJ
before his father's tantrum last night. Now folks are wondering if the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He sure didn't do his son any favors.

[blue]

Ive seen and heard alot of support for Mr Wilson today, online and while driving around today. The MSM isnt going to put anything positive about him on the air, if it had been Bush speaking, we would have had a glowing biography about Mr Wilson today.

As I see it somebody had to say it. If Mr Wilson had held his tongue, and waited to hold a press conference, nobody would have even cared and the press would have buried it if they even covered it.

As for the POTUS being 10 minutes late. Werent we promised a streamlined .gov? IIRC the movements of the POTUS are typically well planned out and schedualed to the minute. I missed his speech to the nations students but I am assuming he was on time for that? The grandstanding last night, or any night regardless of who it is, was abhorrent. THey work for us and at our leisure.

I know there are those who will swing from Obama's jangly bits no matter what he says or does, but how much did that 10 minute delay or the 10 minutes before 2000 when I tuned into the online stream cost us taxpayers? That was about the cleanest and fastest live streaming video I have seen.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Jessica Santillo of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee says the money has come in from 5,000 individual contributions.

Make it at least 5,001. My check is in the mail!:D:p:D

And ..on behalf of the State of California...I would like to apologize for the disgraceful Mr. Duvall!

[Lady's Human]

How much did the 10 minutes cost us?

Not a sous.

How could it have cost anything? The airtime is at the discretion of the networks, it's not paid for by the government.

Every representative in the chamber is on salary.

[blue]

I watched it online from whitehouse.gov, so what did that cost? What network paid for the live .gov stream?

Who cares if they are salaried or per hour? They still work for us.

[Lady's Human]

If the equipment is paid for, (fixed one time cost) and the bandwidth is purchased on an annual contract basis (fixed annual cost) it cost the taxpayer........

Not a sous.

[blue]

If the equipment is paid for, (fixed one time cost) and the bandwidth is purchased on an annual contract basis (fixed annual cost) it cost the taxpayer........

Not a sous.

So http://www.whitehouse.gov/ is free? It doesnt cost anybody anything?


Main Entry: sous
Pronunciation: \ˈsü\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French, preposition, literally, under, from Old French suz, from Latin subtus, adverb, below, under; akin to Latin sub under — more at up
Date: 1687

: being an assistant —used chiefly in titles <a sous-chef>

[Lady's Human]

whitehouse.gov costs the salaries of the people who run it. (fixed cost, doesn't matter what they put there)

The bandwidth is purchased on an annual contract basis.

My humble apologies for putting an extra 's' on the word sou.....

It is an old french coin, which was essentially worthless.

[blue]

OK so whitehouse .gov does cost tax payers money.

The live .gov stream for 09/09/09 speech was one of the best Ive seen, little lag, good quality A/V, and allmost no buffering. So if .gov has allready paid for a contract for that type of bandwidth, with tax payer money, I feel we should see alot more bang for our buck from whitehouse.gov. Maybe a 24/7 feeds from both the POTUS and the Congressional branch. Heck lets have a live feed from the SCOTUS when they are in session. If its under contract we shouldnt be wasting money by not using the bandwidth.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Democrats say South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson’s outburst during President Barack Obama’s speech to Congress is turning into a financial boon for his opponent, Rob Miller.

Miller is a former Marine and Iraq war veteran who resigned his commission to run for Congress. His campaign last year presented Wilson with the most serious challenge he’d had since winning a special election in 2001. Miller got 46 percent of the vote.

Contributions to Rob Miller's campaign fund since Baby Wilson temper tantrum.....$751,562 from 20,494 American Citizens!!

[Grace]

Interesting article by Pat Buchanan. (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109478)

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." - Abraham Lincoln

[Edwina's Secretary]

Interesting article but rather...one sided in his view.

I am not sure that Robert E. Lee was once a national hero or Stonewall Jackson? They were both confederate generals. Fighting to destroy the United States! National heros???

He sees newer heros (and really...the only ones he can think of after 1865 are Martin Luther King and Cesar Chavez) as replacing instead of in addition to earlier heros.

To him Christmas and Easter may have been holidays that united the country but I feel that really reinforces his "European Christian core" as he calls it.

I agree with the loss of civility in our lives but I think Mr. Buchanan is mourning the loss of his world. His experience of this country may not be the same as everyone else.

He doesn't even include rock as music that defined us!:D;)

But I find most offensive of all this statement...

One part of America loves her history, another reviles it as racist, imperialist and genocidal

I love American history - but not the fake "George Washington chopped down the cherry tree" type. I love the real American history - warts - genocide, racism and all. Fairy tales are for kids. I enjoy learning how this country has survived and prospered because of ordinary men and women who sometimes do extraordinary things.

[Grace]

Interesting article but rather...one sided in his view.

I am not sure that Robert E. Lee was once a national hero or Stonewall Jackson? They were both confederate generals. Fighting to destroy the United States! National heros???

He sees newer heros (and really...the only ones he can think of after 1865 are Martin Luther King and Cesar Chavez) as replacing instead of in addition to earlier heros.

To him Christmas and Easter may have been holidays that united the country but I feel that really reinforces his "European Christian core" as he calls it.

I agree with the loss of civility in our lives but I think Mr. Buchanan is mourning the loss of his world. His experience of this country may not be the same as everyone else.

He doesn't even include rock as music that defined us!:D;)

But I find most offensive of all this statement...


I love American history - but not the fake "George Washington chopped down the cherry tree" type. I love the real American history - warts - genocide, racism and all. Fairy tales are for kids. I enjoy learning how this country has survived and prospered because of ordinary men and women who sometimes do extraordinary things.

Yes, I did notice the slant to the right; but much of what he said concerns me. The sheer nastiness prevalent these days. Maybe it's because of my age - growing up in a kinder, simpler world where politeness was a virtue :confused:

As for Robert E. Lee - he was a national hero. He was asked to command the Northern troops, but could not betray his home state of Virginia. His father was a hero of the Revolutionary War, and Robert stood out during the Mexican War. He commanded West Point for a few years during the 1850s.

[Edwina's Secretary]

But at the end, Lee was a traitor.

I agree with you on the nastiness. I see some connection to another thread - the one about reality shows. I find the very tone of American Idol and that ilk rather nasty and the peeping tom shows invasive. Pam posted perhaps it is a generational thing. In thinking about that I think of Facebook, Tweetering, and sending nude photos of yourself over the cell phone - whatever the name for that is...:rolleyes:

My grandparents had neighbors all their lives. The Murdocks. They had an only child the same as my mother - also an only child. The two families were like one. And until the day she died my grandmother never called her anything but Mrs. Murdock.

People are more open now and I think the quote "familiarity breeds contempt" might be at play in the increased nastiness.

Although I do think Buchanan might want to do a bit of self-reflection. I remember when his sister married a man who was not a Catholic. He refused to speak to her or acknowledge her. Until she divorced.

This might explain his bias in his choice of heros...
Buchanan has English, German, Scots Irish, and Irish ancestry. He had a great-grandfather who fought in the American Civil War on the Confederate side. He is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and admires Robert E. Lee.

[Grace]

Although I do think Buchanan might want to do a bit of self-reflection. I remember when his sister married a man who was not a Catholic. He refused to speak to her or acknowledge her. Until she divorced.

This might explain his bias in his choice of heros...

Was that his sister, Bay? Wonder what he did when she became a Mormon?

They must have made up at some point - I think she did manage his Presidential campaigns.

[Edwina's Secretary]

That was it! She converted when she married. As I recall, he accepted her when she divorced and returned to the fold...something like that.

I don't remember the exact details. I just remember him refusing to have anything to do with her because of religion - an attitude that was causing some problems around me at the time.

[blue]

ACORN!!!!http://www.websophist.com/Laughing_RoflSmileyLJ.gif

[Edwina's Secretary]

Well, well, well. Mr. Duvall, the "family values" politician who is either lying about having sex with two lobbyist - one from a company his committee regulates or was lying when he told a co-worker in graphic detail about the sex he imagined he had with lobbyist - one from a company his committee regulates is going to cost me money.

It will cost the taxpayers of Orange COutny $440,000 to have a special election to replace Mr. Duvall. I hope the sex or imaginary sex was worth it!

[RICHARD]

Monday 9/14

The Barack Obama Show 2009-Comedy

Barack travels to Wall Street in an effort to celebrate the one year anniversary of the failure of Lehman and to placate the masses.

He also mixes metaphors with catch phrases in a delightful slapdown
and chiding of the Wall Street companies, and the public, while boistering his claim that he 'didn't run for president to bail out big business"- But, he manages to pull a fast one on the public by letting everyone know that he plans on creating more big government offices with more government intervention!

[RICHARD]

Tuesday 9/15

The Barack Obama Show 2009-Comedy

BO goes to an auto plant and tells everyone that things are AOK!


The BO show plans a Sunday Marathon! Check your local listings.

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Did anyone pay attention to the Ben Bernake I.D. theft story?

If you or I lose a wallet or purse and get our I.D.s or credit cards stolen the cops tell us that there is nothing they can do.
But, if you are BB the cops and feds will move heaven and earth to catch the effers.

What a country!;)

[Cinder & Smoke]

The Barack Obama Show 2009-Comedy ...

:(

One might begin to think that Mr. Obama wasn't your First Choice ...

Say it isn't so. :p

:D

[RICHARD]

:(

One might begin to think that Mr. Obama wasn't your First Choice ...

Say it isn't so. :p

:D

I'll clown on everyone.

I like my politicians to work on my dime-If I wanted actors with recurring 'programs' that I don't like?;):D

I have resigned my self to the fact that everyone needs to go this next election.

I do not suffer fools gladly- I am living inside the body of one as I type this.:D

[Edwina's Secretary]

:(

One might begin to think that Mr. Obama wasn't your First Choice ...

Say it isn't so. :p

:D

Tell you a funny story Phred. It was just over four years ago. I was whining and complaining about the guy who won the election.

I vividly remember this PetTalker...name all in caps...who told me to shut up. Said my guy lost and the majority had spoken so I should stuff it. Probably not quite so nicely but you get the idea....:rolleyes:

Can you imagine how very, very much I am enjoying the shoe on the other foot?:D:D:D

[RICHARD]

I wonder if I could get and ACORN loan for a house of ill dispute?:confused::o:rolleyes::D

[RICHARD]

Of course, the media missed this little nugget.


Nanny Pelosi was wetting her britches-excitement or incontinence?- to push thru the 'sanctions' on Wilson because he yelled during the prez' speech.

But do you think she would do the 'right thing' and apologize for her saying that the CIA lied to Congress?

LOL,
I think the gal should note what she says in public, methinks the duck has gone daft!:rolleyes:

[blue]

Nanny Pelosi was wetting her britches-excitement or incontinence?- to push thru the 'sanctions' on Wilson because he yelled during the prez' speech.

http://chicksontheright.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/liar1.jpg

[Edwina's Secretary]

Nanny Pelosi was wetting her britches-excitement or incontinence?- to push thru the 'sanctions' on Wilson because he yelled during the prez' speech.



Never let facts get in the way of a good hysterical rant!

Representative Pelosi did not want to sanction Wilson - she publically stated her preference to focus on healthcare. But she was encouraged by other representatives to do so. And a leader - something you might not understand - sometimes takes the counsel of those they lead.

Honestly, some people are so full of hate they can't even be bothered to read what has been all over the news. Why deal in the truth when you can be disgusting instead?

<<Shakes head>>

Sometimes this seems like a grade school playground...all the squealing and obsession with body functions...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

OMDL!!!!!

http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=11150809

I think Nutsy Pelosi has finally lost her mind.

I think she ate too many twinkies growing up.

*See Twinkie Defense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense

I remember the case very well and laughed when the TD was announced during the trial of Danny White, the idiot who shot Milk and Moscone in the late 70's.

The murders had nothing to do with any kind of 'citizen action'. If anything it should be pinned on the FHs in office, just like the goofy, off-center S of the H.

I really hope that her current health care coverage has provisions for some kind of mental health options.

wow.

[Grace]

Richard, do you have an acronym sheet someplace http://bestsmileys.com/writer/1.gif


You know, something to let us know what all your abbreviations mean http://bestsmileys.com/reading/4.gif

[RICHARD]

Richard, do you have an acronym sheet someplace http://bestsmileys.com/writer/1.gif


You know, something to let us know what all your abbreviations mean http://bestsmileys.com/reading/4.gif

A hint?

I'll use the term and spell it out (w/the exception of Eff Head) Before I abbreiate it in the rest of my rantings!


I didn't do Oh My Dear Lord!
TD = twinkie defense
S of the H = speaker of the house

I'll be more aware of that in the future.

Thanks.:o

[Grace]

A hint?

I'll use the term and spell it out (w/the exception of Eff Head) Before I abbreiate it in the rest of my rantings!


I didn't do Oh My Dear Lord!
TD = twinkie defense
S of the H = speaker of the house

I'll be more aware of that in the future.

Thanks.:o

Okay, I did figure out OMDL and TD (I had read about that act of stupidity a long time ago).

I did not figure out S of the H - and I should have :(

What about this one - The murders had nothing to do with any kind of 'citizen action'. If anything it should be pinned on the FHs in office, just like the goofy, off-center S of the H.

[pomtzu]

What about this one - The murders had nothing to do with any kind of 'citizen action'. If anything it should be pinned on the FHs in office, just like the goofy, off-center S of the H.

FH - fat heads????

How many points do I get for a correct answer, Richard??? :confused::D

[RICHARD]

FH - fat heads????

How many points do I get for a correct answer, Richard??? :confused::D

5 points for every correct answer and control of the board?;)


Grace,

FHs= eff head!!!!:eek::o

[pomtzu]

5 points for every correct answer and control of the board?;)


Grace,

FHs= eff head!!!!:eek::o

Can I claim 2.5 points???

I'm not a control freak tho - so that's up for grabs............:eek: :D

And speaking of control.......

My granddaughter gave her Dad (my son), a plaque for his birthday last year that reads:

I'm not a control freak. I just happen to know what's best for everybody. :D

[lizbud]

I liked the article on Pelosi. Thanks. I understand where she is coming
from. Her statement saying .....

"Our country is great because people can say what they think and they believe," she added. "But I also think that they have to take responsibility for any incitement that they may cause."


Heaven forbid someone get a wild hair & attempt to assassinate the
President because they though they were saving this country somehow.
Just see how fast these loons back away from responsibilty for actions
they cause with their hate speeches. Talk about a rebellion.
.

[Puckstop31]

Heaven forbid someone get a wild hair & attempt to assassinate thePresident because they though they were saving this country somehow.

I agree with this 1,000,000 percent. ANY kind of violent action against the government would bring about the worst kind of tryanny you can imagine. If some crazy fool did something, they would get exactly what they don't want.

Please dear God I pray... Please do not let it come to violence.



Just see how fast these loons back away from responsibilty for actions they cause with their hate speeches. Talk about a rebellion.
.

Can you please clarify who the "loons" are? Some of the people at large or the talking heads?

Hate speeches? Can you be a little more specific? HATE is a pretty powerful word. I have not heard any "mainstream" pundit on any side call for HATEful action.

[Grace]

I agree with this 1,000,000 percent. ANY kind of violent action against the government would bring about the worst kind of tryanny you can imagine. If some crazy fool did something, they would get exactly what they don't want.

Please dear God I pray... Please do not let it come to violence.




Can you please clarify who the "loons" are? Some of the people at large or the talking heads?

Hate speeches? Can you be a little more specific? HATE is a pretty powerful word. I have not heard any "mainstream" pundit on any side call for HATEful action.

May I mention 3 names - Bill O'Reilly, Scott Roeder, George Tiller.

[Puckstop31]

May I mention 3 names - Bill O'Reilly, Scott Roeder, George Tiller.

OK. I am sorry, but can you possibly help me and quote something specific? I do not listen to or read any of these people. I fear a Google will turn up way to much to sift through... So if you have something specific handy, I would appreciate it. :)

ETA... My bad... I see where you are going here. Reading now.

Thanks!

[Puckstop31]

OK... I am no fan of Bill O'Rilley. Never watch his show or read anything he writes. I consider him the equivilant of a TV evangilist.

That said, I think it is a bit of a stretch to link him to Tiller's murder. Scott Roeder was ALREADY crazy. 99% of those fools in the "militas" are NUTS already. If I go and say "I think abortion is wrong" and a crazy person hears it, snaps and kills a person.... Am I culpable?

You might have something to add as I am, obviously, not very familiar with the case. But I don't know if you can blame O'Rilley here. Roeder already was a nut job.

[RICHARD]

I liked the article on Pelosi. Thanks. I understand where she is coming
from. Her statement saying .....

"Our country is great because people can say what they think and they believe," she added. "But I also think that they have to take responsibility for any incitement that they may cause."


Heaven forbid someone get a wild hair & attempt to assassinate the
President because they though they were saving this country somehow.
Just see how fast these loons back away from responsibilty for actions
they cause with their hate speeches. Talk about a rebellion.
.

So, she's asking every one to be kinder, gentle when we talk about the prez, yet she had nothing to say about people throwing shoes, Bush hater comments and sites like the huffington post?

I seem to remember the stink about Tony Snow's revelation of cancer and the moron who posted about him dying a painful death because he was the press sect for GWB?

She really should get a grip on reality because she really has no grasp of the concept.

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The building I worked in had a gift shop and the woman who ran it-it was a volunteer operation and non profit to boot-ran the place with these delusions that it was HER private business. She was a tool and treated the women, mostly retirees, with very little respect or dignity.

NP reminds me of that woman.

Her 'shop' does not belong to her, the bullying and talk really has no bearing on the BIG picture and she is just a figure head in her position.

She has shown that she is a puffoon ;) and her equation of a 'workplace murder' that happened 30 years ago to signs and placards shown at a march is a stretch under any circumstances.

She must be either delusional, stupid, delusional and stupid, a moron or on the verge of stupidity, clearly show by her inability to own up to her own spoken words.:eek:

Again,
She told us that the CIA lies to Congress, when called on the carpet to explain how she came to that conclusion she acts like my dad did during the onslaught of his Alzheimer's.

My dad would never talk ill of the government anyway.;)

-----------------------------

She's clearly an embarassment to either side of the aisle and can't seem to quite her facts straight about the murders of Milk and Moscone.

It had nothing to do with gay rights or 'rhetoric'- It was some poor jackass who lost his job and went on a killing spree. I am sure if Dan White had paraded in front of his old job with a anti whatever sign, the connection might have some valor.

She can talk all about people being responsible for their words and actions.
Until she shows me that? She's just another dottering, foolish woman who is on the down hill side of skiing Bandini Mountain.

-----------------------------------

Bandini was a company that made fertilizer. They had an actor dressed up in winter clothes and skis try to make it down the side of a mountain made of poop-It was a great commercial and people still use the line, Skiing Bandini Mountain to this day.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ads+can+be+cute%2c+even+heartwarming%2c+but+it+mat ters+little+if+they+...-a08908510

No man has greater love for his job than Ball. He once skied down a man-made mountain of Bandini fertilizer for a commercial when the actor assigned to the task balked. "I had to join the Screen Actors Guild and I still get minor residuals," he comments.

Keep your mouth and eyes closed, Nancy.

It's a long way down.:eek::(

[Grace]

OK... I am no fan of Bill O'Rilley. Never watch his show or read anything he writes. I consider him the equivilant of a TV evangilist.

That said, I think it is a bit of a stretch to link him to Tiller's murder. Scott Roeder was ALREADY crazy. 99% of those fools in the "militas" are NUTS already. If I go and say "I think abortion is wrong" and a crazy person hears it, snaps and kills a person.... Am I culpable?

You might have something to add as I am, obviously, not very familiar with the case. But I don't know if you can blame O'Rilley here. Roeder already was a nut job.

I'm no O'Reilly fan either. But he spewed hatred toward Dr. Tiller incessantly. Roeder may have been a lunatic on his own, and may not have listened to B.O. But we will never know for certain - will we?

You asked - Can you please clarify who the "loons" are? Some of the people at large or the talking heads?

Hate speeches? Can you be a little more specific? HATE is a pretty powerful word. I have not heard any "mainstream" pundit on any side call for HATEful action.

I was answering your question. O'Reilly hated Dr. Tiller - at least that's the way it appeared to me. But he has his First Amendment rights - just like the rest of.

Google Bill O'Reilly Dr. Tiller. There will be many examples, going back years.

[Edwina's Secretary]

May I mention 3 names - Bill O'Reilly, Scott Roeder, George Tiller.

Don't forget Hannity and Glen Beck. Very frightening!


She really should get a grip on reality because she really has no grasp of the concept

This should not be said by someone who insisted the US was not involved in the Bay of Pigs. Or that Joe McCarthy was a guy who did some "stuff" with good cause.

And what does funnay mean? Is this just a misspelling of funny or what? And why would you make a word longer?

[blue]

Glenn

[Grace]

Don't forget Hannity and Glen Beck. Very frightening!


Glen Beck is truly frightening. When I was in Nursing School, back in the dark ages, my psych training was in one of those huge state hospitals. The kind where electric and insulin shock therapies were daily events. Glen Beck reminds me of the paranoid schizophrenic patients I saw. This was before Lithium and Prozac.

I often wonder if this is just a persona he puts on for TV? Maybe he's fine at home? I would hope so, for the sake of his wife and children/

[Edwina's Secretary]

Just took a look at the TIME magazine that arrived today. Cover story - "Mad Man - Glenn Beck and the angry style of American politics"....should be an interesting...if terrifying...read!

Reminds me of a Supreme Court decision - about free speech - is not shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.

[blue]

Glenn Beck is truly frightening.

Free speech is truely a frightening thing. :rolleyes:

[blue]

Follow the money, Beck left CNN for Fox. CNN, and Time Warner are butthurt over Glenn Beck's success.

[Grace]

Free speech is truely a frightening thing. :rolleyes:

truly

[blue]

truly

So you got a job working for BHO?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Is the expression ROTFLMAO????? :D:D:D:D

Makes you wonder..doesn't it...
O'Rilley. Never watch his show or read anything he writes. I consider him the equivilant of a TV evangilist.


I believe it is O'Reilly...equivalent and evangelist.

How odd Captain Spell Check missed those!

[blue]

I thought I was Captain Spell Check, dang it.

[Puckstop31]

I'm no O'Reilly fan either. But he spewed hatred toward Dr. Tiller incessantly. Roeder may have been a lunatic on his own, and may not have listened to B.O. But we will never know for certain - will we?

Nope, I reckon not. But I guess that is some of the risk in having the Liberties we do. We will never be 100% safe, that is impossible to attain in a free society.

I just hope we do not let them curtail our liberties only to cater to the lowest common denominator of our society. Ya know?




You asked - Can you please clarify who the "loons" are? Some of the people at large or the talking heads?

Hate speeches? Can you be a little more specific? HATE is a pretty powerful word. I have not heard any "mainstream" pundit on any side call for HATEful action.

I was answering your question. O'Reilly hated Dr. Tiller - at least that's the way it appeared to me. But he has his First Amendment rights - just like the rest of.

Google Bill O'Reilly Dr. Tiller. There will be many examples, going back years.

Yes, thank you. But I was talking to Liz when I asked this. :)

[Puckstop31]

Just took a look at the TIME magazine that arrived today. Cover story - "Mad Man - Glenn Beck and the angry style of American politics"....should be an interesting...if terrifying...read!

Reminds me of a Supreme Court decision - about free speech - is not shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.


Read it and get back to us. I think and Glenn agreed on his show today that it was shockingly fair.

As for the bolded part. How SHOCKING that you would suggest such a thing. Need I remind you that the main purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect OFFENSIVE political speech?

People who think like the bolded part, when it comes to political speech... Are more frightening to me than any pundit.

[Puckstop31]

Glen Beck is truly frightening. When I was in Nursing School, back in the dark ages, my psych training was in one of those huge state hospitals. The kind where electric and insulin shock therapies were daily events. Glen Beck reminds me of the paranoid schizophrenic patients I saw. This was before Lithium and Prozac.

I often wonder if this is just a persona he puts on for TV? Maybe he's fine at home? I would hope so, for the sake of his wife and children/

He says the SAME thing. I cannot listen to him regularly anymore I just don't have the time. Only when I happen to be in the car the same time he is on.

He says all the time that people who only listen to tidbits or what the media has to say about him will think the way you do. And for the 2nd part.... You have obviously never heard him talk about his family.

And for the paranoid schizophrenic part... Perhaps 3 years ago. LOL But he now has a staff of something like 12 people who vet, throughly, anything he says for sometimes weeks before he airs it. FWIW, it is very important to him that what he says is true and in context.

His style is certainly not timid and I can see why certain people would be afraid of it. But his content is dead on. Why do you think the media goes after him with the same rubbish all the time? ('racism', 'fearmongering', etc...) Because he is real and I believe has nothing to hide. Thus they cannot find anything to stick.

So, you can listen to/read him and possibly understand him.... Or you can belive Media Matters/Huff Po/Keith Olbermann/The moron on 'hardball'... etc...

Most importantly though... He has a right, like we all do, to 'offensive' political speech. While I pray for no violence first and foremost... Perhaps the one thing that would set off the powder keg is to shut down people like Beck, like Hannity (I really despise that guy), Keith Olbermann, Huff Po, etc.... Which sadly is the basic idea of Cass Sunstein, the new "Regulatory Czar".

Maybe Beck is scary because we live in scary times?


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Ok, Liz, ES.... Tear me up for defending Glenn. :)

[Grace]

He says the SAME thing. I cannot listen to him regularly anymore I just don't have the time. Only when I happen to be in the car the same time he is on.

He says all the time that people who only listen to tidbits or what the media has to say about him will think the way you do. And for the 2nd part.... You have obviously never heard him talk about his family.

And for the paranoid schizophrenic part... Perhaps 3 years ago. LOL But he now has a staff of something like 12 people who vet, throughly, anything he says for sometimes weeks before he airs it. FWIW, it is very important to him that what he says is true and in context.

His style is certainly not timid and I can see why certain people would be afraid of it. But his content is dead on. Why do you think the media goes after him with the same rubbish all the time? ('racism', 'fearmongering', etc...) Because he is real and I believe has nothing to hide. Thus they cannot find anything to stick.

So, you can listen to/read him and possibly understand him.... Or you can belive Media Matters/Huff Po/Keith Olbermann/The moron on 'hardball'... etc...

Most importantly though... He has a right, like we all do, to 'offensive' political speech. While I pray for no violence first and foremost... Perhaps the one thing that would set off the powder keg is to shut down people like Beck, like Hannity (I really despise that guy), Keith Olbermann, Huff Po, etc.... Which sadly is the basic idea of Cass Sunstein, the new "Regulatory Czar".

Maybe Beck is scary because we live in scary times?


Puck, when I said he was frightening, I was specifically referring to the rant he had one day with a caller to his show. I doubt seriously that his staff had anything to do with that conversation.

check it out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF4PbqJsRH4)


Actually, Manic-Depressive fits him better than paranoid-schizophrenic.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Read it and get back to us. I think and Glenn agreed on his show today that it was shockingly fair.

As for the bolded part. How SHOCKING that you would suggest such a thing. Need I remind you that the main purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect OFFENSIVE political speech?

People who think like the bolded part, when it comes to political speech... Are more frightening to me than any pundit.

Lots of shock going on in your world, isn't there?:D:D

Rest assured, there is nothing you need remind me about.

I am sorry that suggesting people should be responsible for the results of their words is so shocking to you.

Who are these people who suggest political speech should be curtailed? Or is "fire" in a crowded theater your idea of political speech?

I am so confused...:confused::confused:

[Edwina's Secretary]

Actually, Manic-Depressive fits him better than paranoid-schizophrenic.

Jon Stewart always refers to him as bi-polar. Does that fit?

[Puckstop31]

Puck, when I said he was frightening, I was specifically referring to the rant he had one day with a caller to his show. I doubt seriously that his staff had anything to do with that conversation.

check it out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF4PbqJsRH4)


Actually, Manic-Depressive fits him better than paranoid-schizophrenic.

Well, first, he does the "GET OFF MY PHONE" thing all the time. Callers and his staff make fun of him when he gets so excited that his voice cracks like that. But, that is simply style.

What matters to me is content. And the caller really was just making assumptions about him, especially at the end. Also, the caller clearly never listens to the show and knows what Glenn is really all about.

So I reckon we need to agree to disagree. :) You say Manic-Depression, I say passion. You seem to be a very calm person Grace, which is awesome. Really, I wish I could be that way more often. LOL So it makes sense to me that you would feel the way you do about Glenn.

[Grace]

Jon Stewart always refers to him as bi-polar. Does that fit?

Same thing. Extreme mood swings. I think Patty Duke is bi-polar.

Bi-polar seems to sound better than manic-depressive.

[Puckstop31]

Lots of shock going on in your world, isn't there?:D:D

Not really... Not much really shocks me anymore. LOL


I am sorry that suggesting people should be responsible for the results of their words is so shocking to you.

Who are these people who suggest political speech should be curtailed? Or is "fire" in a crowded theater your idea of political speech?

I am so confused...:confused::confused:

You assume to much. How do you KNOW that people like Glenn, Hannity, Rush, etc, inspire people to do violence? How do you know that people like Olbermann, Maddow, etc did not inspire to person who kileld that abortion protester.

I prefer to hold people accountable for their actions, rather than their words. "Results of their words...." God I hate political correctness. It does NOTHING to change minds, only curtails people sharing their thoughts.

Curtail speech? YOU. Why else would you compare speech by a political pundit to yelling "fire" in a theater? Was there something else you meant to imply?

[Grace]

How do you know that people like Olbermann, Maddow, etc did not inspire to person who kileld that abortion protester.




Oh dear, the man who killed the abortion protester in Owosso, also killed a man who owned a gravel pit, and was looking to kill a realtor.

The shooter had personal grudges against all three. I doubt very much that anyone inspired him - other than his own personal demons. With the protester, he didn't like the graphics on the signs - thought kids shouldn't be exposed to them.

The media tried to make it a bigger deal than it was/is.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Not really... Not much really shocks me anymore. LOL



You assume to much. How do you KNOW that people like Glenn, Hannity, Rush, etc, inspire people to do violence? How do you know that people like Olbermann, Maddow, etc did not inspire to person who kileld that abortion protester.

I prefer to hold people accountable for their actions, rather than their words. "Results of their words...." God I hate political correctness. It does NOTHING to change minds, only curtails people sharing their thoughts.

Curtail speech? YOU. Why else would you compare speech by a political pundit to yelling "fire" in a theater? Was there something else you meant to imply?

I wasn't implying, assuming, comparing or curtailing.

If a person - pundit or idiot - uses words to encourage another to kill, steal, cheat, lie or start forest fires - I think they should bear some responsibility if the person carries out the suggestion.

<<golf clap>> for your impression of Glenn Beck though! Or were you doing Hannity?

I said none of the crap you are trying to suggest and you know it.

[blue]

So we had eight years of left wing, sorry progressive, pundits hoping for Shrub and Cheney to meet their maker. Riots from the hard lefties, sorry protests from the progresives, that trashed the protest areas, destroyed private property and squated on private property. We have had decades of the hard left in the MSM, sorry the progressives in the MSM, slanting the news in their favor. Heck the lefties, sorry again I meant the progressives, even trashed the National Mall during the Annointed One's inauguration that took 2 days to clean up.

How many czars are we up to now, 32? How many personal attendants does the First lady have, 27, 28, and what are they being paid, and who is paying them?

ACORN, a big supporter of the Long Legged Mack Daddy, is now disgraced, lost their federal funding, and left out to dry by the man they help get the most powerfull office in the world. Now who in the WH is going to do the 2010 census now that ACORN is out?

We have the S of the H crying crocodile tears remembering her friends rioting in the 70's over a peacefull and respectfull protest with no violence last weekend in DC and accross the nation.

[Puckstop31]

I wasn't implying, assuming, comparing or curtailing.

If a person - pundit or idiot - uses words to encourage another to kill, steal, cheat, lie or start forest fires - I think they should bear some responsibility if the person carries out the suggestion.

<<golf clap>> for your impression of Glenn Beck though! Or were you doing Hannity?

I said none of the crap you are trying to suggest and you know it.

This does not surprise me coming from you. It follows your ideas on guns.

I think it is a insanely slippery slope to go anywhere near the idea of legally punishing people for speech. Quite Orwellian, no? Now this does not mean that people cannot exercise THEIR free speech rights when some clown says something stupid. Like the Dixie Chicks for example. They used their free speech rights and their audience used theirs.

I guess my question is would you support LAW making a person culpable for something they say inspiring another person to do something stupid? Better yet, how in the heck do you PROVE it?


It was not Hannity for sure. That guy is a grade 1 moron and nothing but a hack for the GOP. But how would you know who I am impersonating? Do you listen, read or watch either of them regularly?


IF you were not doing what I suggested.... The what DID you mean when you said...


Just took a look at the TIME magazine that arrived today. Cover story - "Mad Man - Glenn Beck and the angry style of American politics"....should be an interesting...if terrifying...read!

Reminds me of a Supreme Court decision - about free speech - is not shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.

?????

It is illegal to shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater. If you were not suggesting that it be made to allow prosecution of supposed 'motivation' during political speech by pundits... What did you mean by using that comparison?

[Edwina's Secretary]

PS...you keep looking for deeper meaning in my words. Sometimes words just mean what they mean.

But if I take your argument that people should not be held responsible for the outcome of their words....what do we do with Hitler? Did he kill people? Or did he incite others to kill?

In any event....to answer your question....what did I mean. I meant "don't shout fire in a crowded theater." If you do you will be responsible for the results.

[blue]

Quick question, how many people has Obama killed? Did he kill them or by his actions or inactions cause people to be killed?.

The difference between Beck and the rest of talk radio and Hittler is, Beck hasnt, nor can he order people to rise up with violence. Beck is not shouting fire on his radio or TV show.

When the Lefties, sorry moderates, hear people saying they "hope it doesnt come to a rise to arms", or "a second revolution", they hear the opposite.

[Puckstop31]

PS...you keep looking for deeper meaning in my words. Sometimes words just mean what they mean.

But if I take your argument that people should not be held responsible for the outcome of their words....what do we do with Hitler? Did he kill people? Or did he incite others to kill?

In any event....to answer your question....what did I mean. I meant "don't shout fire in a crowded theater." If you do you will be responsible for the results.

Come on ES. You are smarter than this. You MUST know the difference between being in a position of authority and giving an order and political opinion speech?

I am not looking for the meaning of the actual words. LOL I don't assume you are a moron, please do not assume I am one either. What I want to know is why you used this specific example in the context you did. We were talking about political opinion pundits possibly motivating people to do stupid, violent things. You seemed to compare that the yelling "Fire" in a theater.

But anyway... No answer to my question? Would you support LAW making opinion pundits somehow legally culpable for actions of their listeners?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Come on ES. You are smarter than this. You MUST know the difference between being in a position of authority and giving an order and political opinion speech?

I am not looking for the meaning of the actual words. LOL I don't assume you are a moron, please do not assume I am one either. What I want to know is why you used this specific example in the context you did. We were talking about political opinion pundits possibly motivating people to do stupid, violent things. You seemed to compare that the yelling "Fire" in a theater.

But anyway... No answer to my question? Would you support LAW making opinion pundits somehow legally culpable for actions of their listeners?

Just because you messed up so badly on the other thread I will answer your question here. I do not support a new law. There are laws now on the books about inciting riots.

What I do support is pundits having enough of a backbone to take responsibility for their words.

[Puckstop31]

Just because you messed up so badly on the other thread I will answer your question here. I do not support a new law. There are laws now on the books about inciting riots.

What I do support is pundits having enough of a backbone to take responsibility for their words.

Thank you. Thank you for taking pity on a fool like me. How gracious of you to kneel down from your throne.

You can, of course, think what you wish about me. But I rather enjoy that you think so low of me. Tells me many things.

[Edwina's Secretary]

You can, of course, think what you wish about me. But I rather enjoy that you think so low of me. Tells me many things.

No Puck...I do not think so low of you. I really don't think that much about you. What I cannot understand why it matters to you.

You are not my enemy...you are not my ally.

And here is the difference between you and me. I do not think low of people ....I may not agree with what they say or what they do. But it is the actions or words I judge - not the person.

[Puckstop31]

No Puck...I do not think so low of you. I really don't think that much about you. What I cannot understand why it matters to you.

You are not my enemy...you are not my ally.

And here is the difference between you and me. I do not think low of people ....I may not agree with what they say or what they do. But it is the actions or words I judge - not the person.

I fail to understand how one can judge actions and/or words and not be judging the person... Isn't that what defines a person? Does not how we express ourselves show others what we think and thus what kind of person we are?

It matters to me because context and tone are important, IMO. I am a student of history. Looking back at events from the different sides of things shows that context is very important. But I also realize that quite often those things are difficult to express properly in this medium. Perhaps that was the case here. I reckon in the grand scheme of things, it does not matter much.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I fail to understand how one can judge actions and/or words and not be judging the person...

I hope some day you will be able to learn how to judge the actions of a person and the words of the person making a judgement about them.

Good luck.

[RICHARD]

http://news.aol.com/article/president-clinton-made-secret-white/679083?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews. aol.com%2Farticle%2Fpresident-clinton-made-secret-white%2F679083

Ugh,

Do we have to do this over again?

I guess banging around with an intern ain't as bad as having the 'community organization' people you surrounded your self with implode right before your eyes?:confused::eek::rolleyes:

[Edwina's Secretary]

I will put this book on the same reading list as the one Dick Cheney is writing. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Puckstop31]

I hope some day you will be able to learn how to judge the actions of a person and the words of the person making a judgement about them.

Good luck.

Well, we all never do stop learning, eh?

[RICHARD]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/7/2/128910156567972744.jpg


If this wasn't so creepy, I'd laugh?

[RICHARD]

It was a real, nice spontaneous moment when the Phillie's fan hugged his daughter after she tossed back that foul ball that he caught.

I can see the brain trust in the WH thinking, then sending BO's daughter out to show what a family man he is.:rolleyes:


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.bvonlove.com/media/2009/09/obama-daughters-450b092209.jpg

Daddy,
Let me give you a hug, since you have 'dropped the ball' playing games instead of playing prez!!!

[pomtzu]

It was a real, nice spontaneous moment when the Phillie's fan hugged his daughter after she tossed back that foul ball that he caught.

I can see the brain trust in the WH thinking, then sending BO's daughter out to show what a family man he is.:rolleyes:


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.bvonlove.com/media/2009/09/obama-daughters-450b092209.jpg

Daddy,
Let me give you a hug, since you have 'dropped the ball' playing games instead of playing prez!!!


Awww Richard - that wasn't nice. :( From what I've seen, he appears to be a good family man. At least he should get good marks for that...;)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Ick.

And some people wonder why racism is still suspected.

I have no idea who the baseball player is who hugged his daughter. Not everyone has the time or inclination to watch games.

But to suggest anyone else who then hugs his daughter does it for political reasons.

Ick

Ick

Ick.

[lizbud]

Ick.

And some people wonder why racism is still suspected.

I have no idea who the baseball player is who hugged his daughter. Not everyone has the time or inclination to watch games.

But to suggest anyone else who then hugs his daughter does it for political reasons.

Ick

Ick

Ick.



Yeah, I'll bet they made that poor kid practice jumping up on her Dad
all afternoon. :rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

LOL,

Bush was Hitler.

What do dems and the Taliban have in common?

The really nasty ones live in caves.

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Or should I have said "muffed the punt"?????

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Thank you Political Jesus for making me born with the sense of humor.

Amen.

[Edwina's Secretary]

LOL,

Bush was Hitler.

What do dems and the Taliban have in common?

The really nasty ones live in caves.

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Or should I have said "muffed the punt"?????

------------------

Thank you Political Jesus for making me born with the sense of humor.

Amen.

I would like to see ONE TIME anyone suggested Bush loved his daughters to score political points.

Not funny in any way shape or form.

If you think that is funny....you were NOT...NOT born with a sense of humor. Something else - but not humor.

Did you think it funny when Limbaugh insulted Chelsea Clinton?

Do you think it is funny to stick firecrackers in frogs? Same "humor."

Ick.

[RICHARD]

Check out the background behind the speakers at the UN.


I grew up with that tile pattern...Retro 60's acid trip.

[blue]

It was a real, nice spontaneous moment when the Phillie's fan hugged his daughter after she tossed back that foul ball that he caught.

I can see the brain trust in the WH thinking, then sending BO's daughter out to show what a family man he is.:rolleyes:


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.bvonlove.com/media/2009/09/obama-daughters-450b092209.jpg

Daddy,
Let me give you a hug, since you have 'dropped the ball' playing games instead of playing prez!!!

Ild wager thats pretty spot on. But shame on you RICHARD, the kids are suposed to be off limits. Unless they're Republicans then let the games begin!!!:rolleyes:

Ah the lefties hatered for Limbaugh, I cant stand listening to him but I hope he stays on the air for many years to come.

[blue]

LOL,

Bush was Hitler.

LOL,

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEr65ZX6gLw).

[Puckstop31]

And some people wonder why racism is still suspected.



Not sure where racism comes in from this...


But it is hard to fake ones love for their children. I think our President is a ego-maniac, extremely Marxist in his politics and dangerous for our country. But I also believe that he truly loves and cares for his children. Short of mental illness, it is practically impossible NOT to love your children with every fiber of your soul.

As for possibly hamming it up for the cameras??? He IS a politican after all. Its what they do.

[Edwina's Secretary]

http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2008/05/11/bush-jenna-dadx.jpg

All this time I thought this a photo of Bush showing his pride in and love for his daughter.

Thanks to PetTalk I now know it is fake and he is just copying an overpaid athlete. Being a typical politician. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Marxist???? Oh that is so laughable. Marxist???

And how impressed I am to know that RICHARD, you did your acid trips in a place with malachite marble! No tie-died wall hangings for you!

[Puckstop31]

Marxist???? Oh that is so laughable. Marxist???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck&feature=channel


"The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth."


Etc...

If that is not Marxism, what is?

[RICHARD]

If that is not Marxism, what is?

Groucho?

:confused::eek:

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Who the eff brought racism into this conversation?;):rolleyes::D

[Edwina's Secretary]

--------------

Who the eff brought racism into this conversation?;):rolleyes::D

You.:D

[Edwina's Secretary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck&feature=channel


"The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth."


Etc...

If that is not Marxism, what is?


Yes, I listened to the recording (and could tell where it had been edited.)

BTW...Did you know Reagan was an anarchist? He wanted to do away with government! Anyone who believes Obama is a marxist will believe Reagan is an anarchist....

ROTFLMAO!!!! You are really so funny!

[Puckstop31]

Yes, I listened to the recording (and could tell where it had been edited.)

BTW...Did you know Reagan was an anarchist? He wanted to do away with government! Anyone who believes Obama is a marxist will believe Reagan is an anarchist....

ROTFLMAO!!!! You are really so funny!

Of course, attack the source. There are plenty more than this one.

Regan wanted to LIMIT government, not eliminate it.

Laugh it up. Spin this how you wish.... The man, on tape, speaking from his heart. You have something to counter this? Share it. If all you can do is attack the source... :rolleyes:

If the stimulus bills were not Marxist in nature.... If a "progressive" income tax system is not Marxist in nature.... (Only people with income over $250,000...etc...)

Yeah... Laugh it up. ;)

[blue]

Source (http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/articles/09/LyingPropaganda.htm).


A MINORITY VIEW

BY WALTER WILLIAMS

RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2009



Lying Propaganda



Michael Moore's new film, "Capitalism: A Love Story" will be released next month. I've neither seen nor read reviews of the film, except for a short piece in the London Telegraph (9/6/09) titled "Michael Moore film calls capitalism evil." Aware of Michael Moore's previous films, I know that it will be at best a misleading story about capitalism. So let's do some defensive mental preparation, not about the film but what is and what is not capitalism.

Capitalism is an economic system characterized by private ownership and control over the means of production. The distribution of goods and services and their prices are mainly determined by competition in a free market. Under such a system the primary job of government is to protect private property, enforce contracts and ensure rule of law.

There has never been a pure free market capitalistic system just as there has never been a pure communist or socialist system, where there is government ownership of the means of production and each individual has equal access to society's resources. However, we can rank economies as to whether they are closer to capitalism or closer to communism or socialism. If one ranked countries according to whether they were closer to the capitalistic end of the spectrum or the socialistic or communistic end, then ranked countries according to per capita GDP and finally rank countries according to Freedom House's "Map of Freedom in the World," he would find a pattern that is by no means a coincidence. The people in those countries closer to the capitalist end of the economic spectrum have far greater income and enjoy greater human rights protections than those toward the socialist and communist end.

According to the London Telegraph article, Moore's film features priests who say capitalism is anti-Christian by failing to protect the poor. This is pure nonsense and revealed as such by asking, "If you're an unborn spirit, condemned by God to a life of poverty but allowed to choose the country in which to be poor, would you choose a country near the communist end of the economic spectrum or the capitalist end?" If you chose the United States, you'd find that according to the government surveys, the typical "poor" American has cable or satellite TV, two color TVs, and a DVD player or VCR. He has air conditioning, a car, a microwave, a refrigerator, a stove, and a clothes washer and dryer, and whether he has health insurance or not, he is able to obtain medical care when needed. Try to find that in Cuba, Russia, China or North Korea. If we buy into the nonsense of Moore's priests, the world's poor people are incredibly stupid. Whether fleeing legally or illegally, their destination country is likely to be closer to capitalism than their departure country.

Most of our country's serious problems can be laid at the feet of Congress and the White House and not at capitalism. Take the financial crisis. One-third of the $15 trillion of mortgages in existence in 2008 are owned, or securitized by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Ginnie Mae, the Federal Housing and the Veterans Administration. Banks didn't mind making risky loans and Wall Street buyers didn't mind buying these repackaged loans because they assumed that they would be guaranteed by the federal government: read bailout by taxpayers. Under a capitalist system, financial institutions would not have been intimidated or encouraged into making risky loans and neither would they have been bailed out if they did so.

Social Security, Medicare and its coverage of prescription drugs have an unfunded liability that exceeds $100 trillion. When those roosters come home to roost, they will make the financial meltdown we've been though look like child's play.

Not withstanding all of the demagoguery, it is capitalism not socialism is that made us a great country and its socialism that will be our undoing.

[RICHARD]

Again,
WHO brought racism into the conversation?


IF you want to paint me with the color of a racist, prove it by quoting or give me a link to my so called 'sin'.

Call me stupid, disrespectful or a smart arse. You'll get away with that.
Now you have to defend your allegation that I brought race into thread.

LOL, I have had my run-ins with 'whitey' during my time on earth and that doesn't bother me. As a matter of fact, you could go back and edit your post and save yourself the hassle of getting called out about your posting....

I will not bother to even ask for an apology, because some people think that I am being uber sensitive about the whole deal and I know that you cannot get blood from a turnip or common sense from someone who doesn't like baseball.....

Here's a little hint about playing the race card game.

Fold your hand before you get to the point of yelling RACISM.

You make yourself look like a piker and you end up losing a little credibility in the process.

----------------------------


Barack Hussein Obama-

He wants everyone to forget racism
Including the people who suspect it in every thing they read.


MMMM MMMM MMMMM!

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Just finished watching the Ben Netanyahu speech to the UN.

Boy,

We should really pay attention to the people we put into office.

This was a perfect admonition to the rest of the world. He challenged every world leader-something that cannot be done because when your leader is always apologizing for 'mistakes'
we made.

BN just put on tape his wishes for peace in the Mid East. He wants to be met halfway. Let's see how the eff ups react.

It gets very taxing to hear politicians not want to dip their hands into the dish becaue we are afraid of being 'misread' as far as our military actions.

Let's do it this way.

Pick any topic that two governments disagree on.

Let them take 20,000 men and their equipment and we'll do the same. (we can adjust the numbers for the countries who have small armies.)
We'll map out a nice hundred square mile box and see who kicks the most
arse. Who ever wins, gets THEIR way.

Pu it on pay-per-view and let R Lee Ermey be the divine Head of TV War Games.

Carry On!

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Any chance of us driving a few cruise missles up A-Mad's little Hitler, rear end?

Heh heh heh. Ignorant little monkey.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Come on ES. You are smarter than this. You MUST know the difference between being in a position of authority and giving an order and political opinion speech?

....

But anyway... No answer to my question? Would you support LAW making opinion pundits somehow legally culpable for actions of their listeners?

I thought this topic would make for interesting cocktail party conversation. And so I brought it up at a party.

I was asked this question....if people are not responsible for the actions their words incite people to...why is Charles Manson in prison? He did not kill anyone - he incited and encouraged others to do so.

I think most of us would agree that prison is the place Manson belongs - at best. He was not a "person in a position of authority" (of course, neither was Hilter for most of his hideous career. And still people followed his words and engaged in heinous acts.)

So the next question became...if a "pundit" is not responsible for the actions of their listeners by virtue of being a "pundit"...can you call yourself a "pundit" and therefore escape responsibility?

So I remain convinced - people should be responsible for the words they speak as much as for the actions they do.

Doesn't mean they can't speak -- just means they have to be responsible.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Of course, attack the source. There are plenty more than this one.

Regan wanted to LIMIT government, not eliminate it.

Laugh it up. Spin this how you wish.... The man, on tape, speaking from his heart. You have something to counter this? Share it. If all you can do is attack the source... :rolleyes:

If the stimulus bills were not Marxist in nature.... If a "progressive" income tax system is not Marxist in nature.... (Only people with income over $250,000...etc...)

Yeah... Laugh it up. ;)

Thank you...I will continue to laugh it up. :D:D:D

[Puckstop31]

I was asked this question....if people are not responsible for the actions their words incite people to...why is Charles Manson in prison? He did not kill anyone - he incited and encouraged others to do so.

I think most of us would agree that prison is the place Manson belongs - at best. He was not a "person in a position of authority" (of course, neither was Hilter for most of his hideous career. And still people followed his words and engaged in heinous acts.)

So the next question became...if a "pundit" is not responsible for the actions of their listeners by virtue of being a "pundit"...can you call yourself a "pundit" and therefore escape responsibility?

So I remain convinced - people should be responsible for the words they speak as much as for the actions they do.

Doesn't mean they can't speak -- just means they have to be responsible.

So you are comparing Glenn Beck to Charles Manson? Awesome. Make your case and bring it before the DA. I DARE you.

This kind of crap is why people like you never get what they want.

I LOVE it that you think "us" such simpletons.

[Puckstop31]

Thank you...I will continue to laugh it up. :D:D:D

Awesome. Your lack of an answer says it all.

YOUR man is on record confirming his belief in wealth re-distribution. You "laugh" at me.

:rolleyes:

Weak as always ES.

I would not offer a real answer if I were you either....

[blue]

Anti Americans at home and around the world rejoiced, danced in the streets and laughed at our misery 8 years ago. Granted some, like my brother who believed it was an inside job, grieved with the rest of us.

Is Obama our Nero? Will he and his supporters laugh as we go down in flames?

http://zdavatz.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bush_deficit_vs_obama_deficit_in_pictures_2.jpeg

Link (http://hedgehogcentral.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html).

[sasvermont]

Blue, I am so glad there are not many out there, who think like you do......Your thoughts scare me. Oh my gosh.

Stay up there, in the middle of nowhere, please!
:o:o

[Edwina's Secretary]

Awesome. Your lack of an answer says it all.

YOUR man is on record confirming his belief in wealth re-distribution. You "laugh" at me.

:rolleyes:

Weak as always ES.

I would not offer a real answer if I were you either....

How does one answer irrational statements?

Barak Obama is my president as I am a citizen of the United States of America. He is your president as well. You think he is a marxist because he talks about redistribution of weath. I did not hear him advocate it.

But then - that is what people like you do. If you repeat things enough some people will begin to believe. I see no evidence of "marxist" so how can I refute something that isn't there.

Insult me all you want PS...after all - it is what you do best! And far easier than...say thinking...

[Edwina's Secretary]

I LOVE it that you think "us" such simpletons.

Glad I make you happy.

What was I thinking - you might want to stretch your mind. So sorry!

You continue to channel Sean Hannity - seems to be the best you can do. Show me where I suggested Glenn Beck and Charles Manson were the same? Or that Glenn Beck has committed a crime.

I am talking about personal responsiblity. And people accepting responsibility.

Obviously you do not believe that people should be responsible for what they say and do.

Got it.

[blue]

Blue, I am so glad there are not many out there, who think like you do......Your thoughts scare me. Oh my gosh.

Stay up there, in the middle of nowhere, please!
:o:o

My tinfoil hat isnt as large or as thick as the majority of the TFHC. Im very mild in my thinking,

There are plenty of folks in your state that are waiting to confront the current adminstration.

[RICHARD]

Hey,

If you don't know the words, just hum along!!!!!


Mmm, mmmm, mmmmmm

Barack Hussein Obama.

He'll ignore the problems with Iran,
and may send troops to Afghanistan!

Mmm, mmm mmmmmmm!

Barack Hussein Obama.

Iran shoots off a pair of tactical missles
While his foreign policy continues to fizzle!

Mmm, mmm mmmmmmm!

Barack Hussein Obama

Don't question his policy, or request health care stasis
You'll find yourself regarded as racist!!!!

Mmm, mmm mmmmmmm!

Barack Hussein Obama

Who writes songs for kids?, it's a great pity.
The song is bland, lyrics are TERRIBLE!:confused:

Mmm, mmm mmmmmmm!