Politics and religion.

[mruffruff]

I heard that he found better "service" in Argentina.

[RICHARD]

I heard that he found better "service" in Argentina.

With all the cutbacks in the Park Service, he thought about "Bungling in the Jungle"----in Argentina.:rolleyes::eek:

[Grace]

Holy Cow - now he admits to having had an affair!!



(CNN) -- South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Wednesday, amid speculation over his whereabouts for the last several days, that he has been engaged in an extramarital affair with an Argentinian woman.

"I've been unfaithful to my wife," Sanford told a news conference in Columbia, the state capital. "I developed a relationship with what started as a dear, dear friend from Argentina."

His voice choking at times, Sanford apologized to his wife and four sons, his staff and supporters, and said he would resign immediately as head of the Republican Governors Association. The affair was discovered five months ago, Sanford said.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Holy Cow - now he admits to having had an affair!!

:rolleyes:

WHAT??
:confused:

One of our Elected Officials had an :eek: AFFAIR?

OH, say it isn't so!
:p

Let's look into Term Limits ...
I suggest about Two Weeks ... a Month, tops.

We prolly wouldn't need to have elections - just sign up for the weeks you'd
like to have the back-room sex lounge in the office of your choice.

:(

[RICHARD]

Let's look into Term Limits ...
I suggest about Two Weeks ... a Month, tops.


:(
Two weeks? A month?

Maybe with a script of Viagra? But even then you have to call a doctor after 4 hours!

:D

[Grace]

What really ticks me off - this person, who can't keep it in his pants, goes on and on about the sanctity of marriage. The sanctity of WHOSE marriage. Sure isn't his. But he doesn't mind butting into the lives of others.

His web site states -

Mark Sanford is against gay marriage and defines marriage as one man and one woman. He is also against letting gay couple adopt children.


What an AH, to use an expression of Richard's. Save us from people like this. He should resign as Governor and join a monastery. Invite Ensign and Spitzer and Craig and Foley along for the ride.

[Medusa]

What really ticks me off - this person, who can't keep it in his pants, goes on and on about the sanctity of marriage. The sanctity of WHOSE marriage. Sure isn't his. But he doesn't mind butting into the lives of others.

His web site states -



What an AH, to use an expression of Richard's. Save us from people like this. He should resign as Governor and join a monastery. Invite Ensign and Spitzer and Craig and Foley along for the ride.

And Clinton and Edwards.

[Grace]

And Clinton and Edwards.

Thank you, I knew there were more names, but my mind was drawing a blank. Adding yet some more - Gingrich, Vitter, Hart. From an article in the NY Times last year -

Congressmen, senators, governors, presidents, mayors — politicians at all levels keep starring in this familiar and non-partisan soap opera rerun. They engage in clandestine sexual entanglements, commonly cloaked in the tawdry textures of hotel pseudonyms and airport bathrooms and pay-by-the-hour copulation. All too often, their stealthy frolics then poison their political careers.

My main point in my post, though, was the hypocrisy of Sanford. Preaching marital sanctity, running roughshod over any type of gay marriage or civil union - and look what he has done.

[lizbud]

Well, his lover was a woman & not a under age male page.:rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

We all agree that people who preach and/or go against their 'values' are the worst kind of hypocrites.

Ladies, forgive me?

I think that the women who 'stand behind their men' whould do so with a sharp stick - to jam it in their rears as the cry for the media. Then they should poke themselve in THEIR rears for being the meek, jilted spouses.:rolleyes:

[Grace]

We all agree that people who preach and/or go against their 'values' are the worst kind of hypocrites.

Ladies, forgive me?

I think that the women who 'stand behind their men' whould do so with a sharp stick - to jam it in their rears as the cry for the media. Then they should poke themselve in THEIR rears for being the meek, jilted spouses.:rolleyes:

Nothing to forgive, Richard. I agree with you.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Then they should poke themselve in THEIR rears for being the meek, jilted spouses.:rolleyes:

Why? is it their fault the spouse cheated on them? Please.

What should they do...scream and rant and rave in public??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Pleas, I would give no one such a response.

What is wrong with dignity in the face of insult and pain?

[RICHARD]

After further review?


The good Gov should resign his office-instead of taking care of his constituents, he chose to outsource his libido overseas. I am sure that there are many women in his home state that would have been more than happy to care for him,

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I also wonder about the women who 'allow' the hubby to seek 'companionship' outside the home (overseas?) then try to explain it away.

Is it really an affair when the wife signs off on it? Or is it a way to keep the husband from bothering her on those 'special' mornings? :eek: I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation- "Honey, go find a girlfriend and LEAVE ME ALONE! I really love the that big house, perks and all the other stuff you get for being the governor........"

Why does God always show up during the confessional news conference?

I love the llines about the kids and putting them thru the whole experience-If you REALLY wanted to keep your kids out of the spotlight, you should have stayed home and kept your pants up/

[Grace]

Sanford's wife doesn't need the Governor's perks - she has her own.

Jenny Sanford is a millionaire whose family fortune comes from the Skil Corp. power tool company. They met on Wall Street, where she was a vice president in mergers and acquisitions at Lazard Freres. He worked for Goldman-Sachs.

They met in the Hamptons, got hitched, and headed South, where Mark Sanford first got into real estate and then politics.

[RICHARD]

Sanford's wife doesn't need the Governor's perks - she has her own.

Jenny Sanford is a millionaire whose family fortune comes from the Skil Corp. power tool company. .

She doesn't need his money then.

But. she can get any power tool imaginable and he's supposed to feel safe at night, when he sleeps???


Nope, I don't think so.:confused::eek:

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The dude can throw down some romance on paper, eh?:D

[lizbud]

The ones I feel sorry for are his four boys.:( Their Dad went to spend
Father's Day with his girl friend instead of his own kids. That sucks.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I also wonder about the women who 'allow' the hubby to seek 'companionship' outside the home (overseas?) then try to explain it away.

Is it really an affair when the wife signs off on it? Or is it a way to keep the husband from bothering her on those 'special' mornings? :eek: I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation- "Honey, go find a girlfriend and LEAVE ME ALONE! I really love the that big house, perks and all the other stuff you get for being the governor........"



What women "allow the hubby to seek companionship outside the home?"

And what women are trying to explain it away?

Why do you assume the only reason women marry is for money and big houses?

Sometimes the disdain for women is really appalling. And I don't just mean Gov. Stanford...or Senator Ensign.

[RICHARD]

The ones I feel sorry for are his four boys.:( Their Dad went to spend
Father's Day with his girl friend instead of his own kids. That sucks.

I know someone that is:rolleyes: thankful he's been pushed to the fourth page of the paper!:rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

IT's Tuesday and my prez is on TV again!

Geez, he gets more face time than the mayor of El Lay and MY mayor is a media HO!

[Grace]

This Sanford guy gets creepier everyday. Now he's spouting off that he "crossed lines" with a handful of women other than his mistress — but never had sex with them.

So it's all okay 'cause he only had sex with his mistress - and maybe his wife?

[RICHARD]

This Sanford guy gets creepier everyday. Now he's spouting off that he "crossed lines" with a handful of women other than his mistress — but never had sex with them.

So it's all okay 'cause he only had sex with his mistress - and maybe his wife?

He screwed the people that voted him in, isn't that enough?;)

[Edwina's Secretary]

This Sanford guy gets creepier everyday. Now he's spouting off that he "crossed lines" with a handful of women other than his mistress — but never had sex with them.

So it's all okay 'cause he only had sex with his mistress - and maybe his wife?

And he is "going to try and fall in love with his wife again.":eek::eek::eek:

How magnanimous of him....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I will believe this guy has a shread....a tiny little shread...of a soul if he apologizes to Bill Clinton for demanding he resign for behavior Sanford was himself engaged in.

What a hypocrite. What a horrible excuse for a human being. I hope his wife humiliates him in turn and his sons do as well. It is the least he deserves.

[Medusa]

The fact that he cheated isn't what galls me. That's between him and his wife. I'm angry that he didn't use his own money to pay for his trysts and that he left his duty call for a booty call. That and his ridiculous drama of wiping away a tear and wearing his infidelity proudly as a badge of dishonor but one for which he's pretty damned arrogant and cocksure that he'll be forgiven.

Politicians are oily, no matter the party affiliation. I've never believed any of them and I don't see that changing any time soon. I feel slimed after listening to any one of them talk and when I see a group of them together, clapping their hands and grinning like fools, I feel as though I'm looking at a bunch of actors who really don't give a fig about this country. They may have started out w/sincerity but somewhere along the line they became jaded or frightened or disappointed or overwhelmed or...(insert your own word here). I don't put my faith in them or their party or this government or any other government. I just don't. I vote out of obligation because I don't want to be part of the problem by just standing by and allowing others to determine my future and how our country is run. To say that I'm disenfranchised isn't accurate. I never believed or trusted any of them from the get-go.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh Medusa I cannot believe that all of any occupation are one thing or another.

Just because Ken Delay and Bernie Madoff were/are evil does not mean all people of commerce are evil.

Just because teachers get caught abusing children does not make all teachers abusers.

Just because some soldiers kill civilians does not mean all of them would do that.

Just because some cops end up "on the take" or some doctors prescribe medication that is bad for their patients does not mean all cops are crooked or all doctors do not care about their patients.

All of these occupations and people in those occupations "gone bad" have been in the news lately. But a person's occupation does not make them good or bad. That happens long before they chose an occupation.

Our politicians...just like our teachers, our soldiers, our cops and our doctors...are a reflection of the society from which they come.

[Medusa]

Oh Medusa I cannot believe that all of any occupation are one thing or another.

Just because Ken Delay and Bernie Madoff were/are evil does not mean all people of commerce are evil.

Just because teachers get caught abusing children does not make all teachers abusers.

Just because some soldiers kill civilians does not mean all of them would do that.

Just because some cops end up "on the take" or some doctors prescribe medication that is bad for their patients does not mean all cops are crooked or all doctors do not care about their patients.

All of these occupations and people in those occupations "gone bad" have been in the news lately. But a person's occupation does not make them good or bad. That happens long before they chose an occupation.

Our politicians...just like our teachers, our soldiers, our cops and our doctors...are a reflection of the society from which they come.

I didn't ask you to believe it. I said what I feel. I don't presume to speak for anyone else.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Okay...then I feel very sad for you that you have such negative feelings about a group of people based on occupation.

But I understand it is how you feel.

[Medusa]

Okay...then I feel very sad for you that you have such negative feelings about a group of people based on occupation.

But I understand it is how you feel.

No need to feel sad for me. I'm free of false trust and that makes me happy.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Well....can't help what I feel!

I just feelbad karma to paint a whole group as good or bad. Sort of gives permission to say...all people from Illinois are crooked or all lawyers are ambulance chasers or all people who do computer stuff are geeks.

Absolutes are dangerous and limiting in my opinion!

[blue]

I cant wait to see the list of Conservatives or Republicans that are OK in ES's mind. For that matter what she thinks of those who actualy Believe in the United States of America's Constitution and what it stands for.

[RICHARD]

That and his ridiculous drama of wiping away a tear and wearing his infidelity proudly as a badge of dishonor but one for which he's pretty damned arrogant and cocksure that he'll be forgiven.



She said cocksure......ahuh, ahuh huh huh.....:eek:;)

LOL, His wife green lit the affair, then told him not to go see her.

Make up your mind.?


Please!

[blue]

FWIW, the only people who should be calling for Sen Ensign and Gov Sanford to resign are the people they represent. The rest should STFU and keep their own representatives in check.

[blue]

What is wrong with dignity in the face of insult and pain?


I hope his wife humiliates him in turn and his sons do as well.

Speaking of hypocrisy, these post made me LOL.

First post makes Gov Sanford's wife out to be a doormat, the second a b***h out for revenge.

[Medusa]

Well....can't help what I feel!

I just feelbad karma to paint a whole group as good or bad. Sort of gives permission to say...all people from Illinois are crooked or all lawyers are ambulance chasers or all people who do computer stuff are geeks.

Absolutes are dangerous and limiting in my opinion!

Wow. We're talking about you again. Interesting how you do that.

I expressed how I feel but not to spark controversy or to invoke sympathy. As for racking up bad karma, we should all try not to focus on the straw in another's eye when there's a beam in our own.

[Edwina's Secretary]

. As for racking up bad karma, we should all try not to focus on the straw in another's eye when there's a beam in our own.

Exactly my point!

[Medusa]

Exactly my point!

That wasn't perceived as your point by me. If you disagree w/my opinion, then perhaps you can say "I disagree and here's why" rather than concern yourself w/my karma. I voiced my opinion about Sanford and politicians in general because the title of this thread is "Politics and religion". If someone disagrees w/your opinion, you attack the messenger rather than the message. If s/he disagrees w/your view of the expanding role of govt., s/he's a "whiner". If s/he disagrees w/your view on race relations, s/he's a "clever little racist". If s/he disagrees w/your view on women and their relationship w/their SO's, s/he has disdain for women. Leave the personal stuff out of it. It muddies the water.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Leave the personal stuff out of it. It muddies the water.

I would respectfully suggest you do the same.

[Medusa]

I would respectfully suggest you do the same.

I make an effort to not get personal and I don't engage in name calling. Let's just leave it at that, shall we, and move on? There's no need for vitriol. Civil and intelligent discussions work for me. In that way there are no hard feelings. We all on PT love our country despite our differing views.

[lizbud]

Soundness and Validity are both properties of deductive arguments. For an argument to be Valid the conclusion must follow from the premises; that is, if the premises are true your conclusion MUST be true. For example, If all dogs are animals, and all poodles are dogs; all poodles must be animals, is a valid argument. Whereas, If all dogs are animals; all animals must be dogs is invalid. This is because the conclusion is not directly derived from the premises.

For an argument to be Sound there are two criteria: the argument must be Valid, and the premises must be True. For example, all dogs are animals, poodles are dogs; therefore, poodles must be animals, is Valid and True and therefore Sound. Whereas, All dogs are cats, all poodles are dogs; therefore poodles must be cats, is certainly Valid, it is not Sound because the premises are not true.

[RICHARD]

Soundness and Validity are both properties of deductive arguments. For an argument to be Valid the conclusion must follow from the premises; that is, if the premises are true your conclusion MUST be true. For example, If all dogs are animals, and all poodles are dogs; all poodles must be animals, is a valid argument. Whereas, If all dogs are animals; all animals must be dogs is invalid. This is because the conclusion is not directly derived from the premises.

For an argument to be Sound there are two criteria: the argument must be Valid, and the premises must be True. For example, all dogs are animals, poodles are dogs; therefore, poodles must be animals, is Valid and True and therefore Sound. Whereas, All dogs are cats, all poodles are dogs; therefore poodles must be cats, is certainly Valid, it is not Sound because the premises are not true.

Liz,

Can you repost this before I eat dinner?;)

I get slow and stupid after I eat?:D

And don't let Pam see this!

She thinks poodles are human!:eek::D

[blue]

Can you repost this before I eat dinner?;)

I dont know where Liz found that but here is a link (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080920125546AAOcoVz) for it that you could bookmark for later.

[lizbud]

Liz,

Can you repost this before I eat dinner?;)

I get slow and stupid after I eat?:D

And don't let Pam see this!

She thinks poodles are human!:eek::D


OK, will do. :)I was trying to keep it "animal" related.:p:p

[RICHARD]

OK, will do. :)I was trying to keep it "animal" related.:p:p

LOL,

It's just that after I eat nothing makes sense to me.

And since I always eat.....;)


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I am glad that the United States Senate has decided to look at the college football playoff system.


We really need to do that before any thing else happens!:D

Morons!

[blue]

Liz Im not gonna accuse you of plagiarism, but if you didnt originaly write what is in post #1043 10 months ago or earlier, you should have posted the source link.

[RICHARD]

I hope Ms. Sanford stops with her raking her husband over the coals-he does deserve it, but....

Her rant about giving Gomer a second chance is her chance to hurt the scumbag and hurt him good.

She'll hang it over his head for the immediate future and punch him in the groin every chance she gets.

She gave the dumb AH a 'go' for the affair and now she'll be able to remind him just what he 'put her thru'.

I love politics.:rolleyes:

[Grace]

She has done what nobody else could - taken MJ off the front page :D

[RICHARD]

Now the Dems can start eating their own.

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Check it out, she can talks without using one of those teleprompter thingies.:eek:


Notice, she's leaving because the media screwed her.

Mr Sanford?

Go home and make the wifey happy.

I understand why you went 'a-broad', your wife is a piece of work.:rolleyes::eek:

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IT'S Friday, where is my president? He hasn't been on TV today?!:eek:

[lizbud]

She has done what nobody else could - taken MJ off the front page :D


What a surprise that was.:confused: Maybe she'll work on her image
for a run in 2012.:D

[Grace]

Notice, she's leaving because the media screwed her.



Richard, that is a load of crock!! A convenient excuse for something else.

As for Mr. Sanford - he should be leaving his Governors post, and Mrs. Palin should probably be staying.

[RICHARD]

Richard, that is a load of crock!! A convenient excuse for something else.

As for Mr. Sanford - he should be leaving his Governors post, and Mrs. Palin should probably be staying.

You are correct. It was physical, but not Sect shul?:confused:;)

I had never, ever heard a woman publically take as much shiat as this woman.

Some of the things the MEDIA reported about her was really bizarre.

ANd some of the comics were merciless.

Let's see what Tina Fey would do with a challenged kid?
What about Letterman and his bees turd child?

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I like the idea of free speech, but, I really choke when I see/hear people asininely spew trash out for one person, then defend some other F-Up for something truely worse.

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Yeah, I heard the 'retard' jokes about her kid, how her husband was a jerk, her daughter was/is an unmarried whore, her granddaughter was illegitimate, the celibacy trip her daughter is on now, and how Alex Rodriguez is the next son-in-law because he nailed her daughter-either one- during the 7th inning stretch!

I, for one, will clown on the adults-the kids?

WHat do they know? They are free from sin in this case.

Blame the AH parents for bringing them into the picture. Then shift it to the rest of the sharks, looking for politcal blood in the water, then we can go to all the rest, who think that a Bristol Palin joke is worth a few laughs.


Yep, SP is mostly to blame for staying in the public spotlight, But, I look at the stagehands, who's job it is to keep that light shining. Those are the idiots wasting fossil fuels.

If they choose not to cover anything "Alaskan" she'd go away. Plus you have to hand it to her.......


She made the announcement on a Friday before a huge holiday.

Take that NewsReader! You have to stay late tonight to cover my press conference! DOPE!:D

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yeah, I heard the 'retard' jokes about her kid, how her husband was a jerk, her daughter was/is an unmarried whore, her granddaughter was illegitimate, the celibacy trip her daughter is on now, and how Alex Rodriguez is the next son-in-law because he nailed her daughter-either one- during the 7th inning stretch!



Wow! You must get some nasty, nasty news. And wildly inaccurate...I quite sure she does not even have a granddaughter, does she?

[Grace]

I had never, ever heard a woman publically take as much shiat as this woman.


So, you've never heard of Hillary Clinton?

I grant you the media was over the edge at times. However, she could have stopped them in an instant by stating the kids were off limits and by taking her own advice. The Clintons stopped the crap coming about Chelsea by keeping her out of the limelight.

[Edwina's Secretary]

So, you've never heard of Hillary Clinton?

I grant you the media was over the edge at times. However, she could have stopped them in an instant by stating the kids were off limits and by taking her own advice. The Clintons stopped the crap coming about Chelsea by keeping her out of the limelight.


Grace, you have been reading my mind....

I am also betting there is alot more to the story.

[Grace]

Grace, you have been reading my mind....

I am also betting there is alot more to the story.

And you have been reading mine :)

[RICHARD]

Yean, I ragged on her too, she deserved it-she played the Loretta Lynn card to the max and all the Fems bought into it.

They tried the same thing with that little hottie, Chelsea and people were offended, so much they backed down because the Clinton's knew everyone in Hollywood and since the HW is soooo PC.......

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Hillary stuck by Bill because it was in her best interest-I'd like to see the next politico resign for "no good reason" like SP did.

Not to get ridden out on a rail because they couldn't keep it zipped.

Sanford is the worst kind of Cheating AH there is. They come home, genitalia in hand, because they got busted.

His wife knew about it and she was surprised that he disappeared in Father's Day?

"I don't know where he is?"

Naked Hiking the Appalachian?

Please, do not offend my senses by claiming ignorance.

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To quote a raidio 'Dr." that I loathe, yet listen to from time to time?

Give your husband something to come home to, and you will never have to worry about him straying.

Of course, you have to find the hubbie (Wifey too!) that has a little moral character, not some lying AH that nevr had sex with that woman.


I do see your points, but I come back to the viciousness that she was treated to.

Chelsea Clinton was not a teenage/unwed/whore mother, like Palin's kid is supposed to be.:confused:

[Grace]

They tried the same thing with that little hottie, Chelsea and people were offended, so much they backed down because the Clinton's knew everyone in Hollywood and since the HW is soooo PC.......

Little hottie - Chelsea was all of 12 years old when she moved into the White House. I thought she was homely - all that curly hair. You must have been wearing strange glasses to call her a hottie?


I do see your points, but I come back to the viciousness that she was treated to.

Perhaps she should have thought of all that before accepting McCain's offer? I don't think it was any worse that what others have been subjected to.


Chelsea Clinton was not a teenage/unwed/whore mother, like Palin's kid is supposed to be

Bristol Palin is a teenage, unwed mother - she admits it and flaunts it on the cover of PEOPLE. I have not seen the other word used about her. Maybe Chelsea was raised with a different value system?

[RICHARD]

Little hottie - Chelsea was all of 12 years old when she moved into the White House. I thought she was homely - all that curly hair. You must have been wearing strange glasses to call her a hottie?




"The Women, How much for the Women!
-eb/jb

From my favorite scene in the Blues Brothers. Remember the look of outrage on the dad's face and his daughter snickering about it?



LOL, If I send you my password to Desperate Singles, will you pick out my next GF? Please!:D

Now, my comment was offensive! It's in the same vein. CC turned into a pretty good looking gal - I'd keep my daughter in a plastic box under my bed if I was the president.


I think that we can agree on the fact that kids should be out of bounds for the media, comics and all the other rude commentators.

But when it comes to the adult sex scandals? Bring it on!

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Being a politician takes some brass ones.

I'd give 50 dollars to see what SP packs.:eek::D

Of course, It would not be a campaign contribution, look at it as a personal appearance fee???:eek::rolleyes::confused:

[Grace]

My big thing about her resignation is the lame duck excuse. GMAB.

What would it be like if every lame duck elected official quit 18 months before the end of their term? Maybe better - maybe worse.

Let's see now - GWB would have left in July of 2007 - giving us Cheney. (The thought sickens me.) Many Governors are term-limited. So why bother running for a second term if that will be your last? And why bother running at all?

[blue]

THe good things I can see from Gov Palin's resignation are, no more BS news stories about her and her family, the states business can go forward without anymore BS ethics charges eating up state funds, time, and integrity, and she might be able to more for Alaska and disabled children as a private citizen then as a public servant.

Then again if the lefties and media think she is still a threat, even as a private citizen, this might not be the end of the BS news stories, attacks, and ill will jokes about her and her family.

Maybe she'll join the Alaskan Independence Party and work toward secession from the Union rather then go down in flames with the rest of yall.

At least Gov Palin has more integrity then Gov Sanford, Sen Pelosi, Sen Boxer, former Sen Clinton, and numerous of her Republican representatives.

[RICHARD]

At least Gov Palin has more integrity then Gov Sanford, Sen Pelosi, Sen Boxer, former Sen Clinton, and numerous of her Republican representatives.

What, no Dianne Feinstein?:eek:

I really do hope the Senators figure out the logjam with the Bowl Championship Series. It's rather irritating for teams to make the playoffs and then play for a bowl championship- Leaving the title to be decided by a computer is Un-American!. A few games added to the schedule would certainly cause the athletes to miss classes, but the financial ramifications for schools should not be ignored.

TV revenue, the gate receipts and concession monies, along with a little kick back from the senators alma mater should be enough to get the esteemed representative interested in solving this American Tragedy.
.

[caseysmom]

Too bad Arnold doesn't join her.

[blue]

What, no Dianne Feinstein?:eek:


I knew I was forgetting someone "important".

[RICHARD]

Too bad Arnold doesn't join her.

Tom Arnold is making movies now, He has no political aspirations. Get on your knees and thank the lord that my esteemed mayor decided to opt out of the Gov. race.

That's all we'd need, some former gang banger running our insane asylum.:eek:

[blue]

Tom Arnold is making movies now, He has no political aspirations. Get on your knees and thank the lord that my esteemed mayor decided to opt out of the Gov. race.

That's all we'd need, some former gang banger running our insane asylum.:eek:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/images/smilies/laughing2.gif

[Edwina's Secretary]

And you have been reading mine :)

And now that I have seen the entire speech I am even more convinced. It was disjointed, cryptic - downright unintelligible at times. She looked like the "cat on a hot tin roof" - nervous and unsure. I don't know if she was using a teleprompter - if not - I would recommend one.

The poor Lt. Governor. She did not tell him of her plan until Wednesday evening. And her spokesperson was on holiday in upstate New York or the like!

Waiting for the next shoe to drop....

[pomtzu]

And now that I have seen the entire speech I am even more convinced. It was disjointed, cryptic - downright unintelligible at times. She looked like the "cat on a hot tin roof" - nervous and unsure. I don't know if she was using a teleprompter - if not - I would recommend one.



It doesn't appear that she used a teleprompter - not by the way she rambled on and on to the point of being incoherent! :eek:

[catland]

She has done what nobody else could - taken MJ off the front page :D

Brilliant. I've been waiting for some celebrity to pull a crazy stunt to get back to the front page ahead of MJ - I just never expected Gov. Palin!



..... its 3:00am - who do you want answering the phone?


oh, sorry, I'm a lame duck - you'll have to talk to someone else.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

CL,

Answer the phone at 3:00 a.m.?

It's not Publisher's Clearing House,
It's more likely someone in jail, gone to heaven or some AH drunk dialing.

Let the machine pick it up.....;)

[lizbud]

And now that I have seen the entire speech I am even more convinced. It was disjointed, cryptic - downright unintelligible at times.

The woman flunked public speaking 101.

I think Palin is '"done" politically. She can make tons of money on personal
appearances to the republican base. They love her.:rolleyes: Palin is going
broke defending herself in lawsuits. She spent half a million dollars so far.

I'll bet she will stay in the media, just not as a serious political figure. IMO.

[RICHARD]

The woman flunked public speaking 101.

I think Palin is '"done" politically. She can make tons of money on personal
appearances to the republican base. They love her.:rolleyes: Palin is going
broke defending herself in lawsuits. She spent half a million dollars so far.

I'll bet she will stay in the media, just not as a serious political figure. IMO.

WTF is up with the stuttering bobo that shows up on my TV tube?

Ummmm DUUHHH, Ahhhhhhh?

I can listen to any untrained speaker because I want to hear what they have to say 'off the cuff'. They speak without a safety net and are far more interesting that any person who has his hand held thru a speaking engagement.

Ummmm, when a person does....aahhhh- all his talking and thinking- ummmm
off the plexiglass of a teleprompter ahhhhh, that realy impresses upon me that the stooge cannot form a thought without having it written down for them.


I like the idea that Nancy Pelosi is a better public speaker than SP.

NP has the experience and short term memory, as her fans do, that make any comments she makes a distant memory that she cannot be held accountable for.

I met the guy who wrote "Logan's Run", great idea. we could apply it to any politician over the age of 48.

[blue]

I can see the hatered for Gov Palin is still strong with many of you. If she isnt your Gov, Pipe down she dosent represent YOU!

At least she dosent have a portable tele prompter, and she writes her own speeches as governor. She has integrity, I can see why the lefties and the MSM hate her so much.

ETA: To echo RICHARD, she can at least get through a speech without umming and ahhhhhing us to death. She also dosent draw out her speches into some drawn out boring affair with pauses for applause and photo ops.

[RICHARD]

And because I am a stupid Cah lee fuh nee an and my opinions are kinda wacky?


http://www.kansascity.com/437/story/1305261.html

I don't usually quote stories in the paper, but this one is too good to pass up- I was disappointed CP did not run for prez. He was far better qualified and not as flighty, able to speak full sentences and has a better grasp of national and foreign policy that the current regime.

Did I say regime?:eek:

[Grace]

I can see the hatered for Gov Palin is still strong with many of you. If she isnt your Gov, Pipe down she dosent represent YOU!


By your reasoning then, since I have no dogs, I am not allowed to post in the dog forum?

You posted in the Iran election thread - yet I'm reasonably certain you did not vote in their last election.

Chill out, blue. You'll live longer.

[sasvermont]

I don't think we've heard the end of Palin. :rolleyes:

It doesn't surprise me she resigned. I think she's been out of her league for sometime now. Once she ran for the VP position, and her act went world wide, many people didn't find her amusing. I surely didn't.

I hope only the best for her. I hope her family survives the critics and cruel comments. She signed her family up for the game and I hope now, she takes them out of the game by keeping a low profile.

I never thought SP had enough sense to survive much past the election. The Republican party folks used her and then disposed of her. They did her no favors as far as I was concerned. They let her make a complete fool of herself. What the hell were they thinking when they considered her for the VP job? She was and is minor league, at best. Maybe even Little League!

There are several different reports in the news today about the why she resigned and we may never know the real reason(s).

Say tuned.

Oh, by the way, this is my opinion, and it doesn't make me right! :) I get that. So have at me if you'd like!;)

[Grace]

Oh, by the way, this is my opinion, and it doesn't make me right! :) I get that. So have at me if you'd like!;)





Personally, I like your opinion :)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Does this mean people who do not live in California are not allowed to comment on California politicians????? Including...but not limited to Arnold, Speaker Pelosi, Senators Boxer or Feinstein, Congressperson Waxman, et al.

And only those living in Illinois are allowed to speak of Blago?

Oh how dull that would be!

Ms. Palin put herself (and as SAS points out - her family) front and center on the national stage - where in her speech she stated she intends to stay.

"Be careful what you ask for, you might get it!"

[Cinder & Smoke]

Oh, by the way, this is my opinion, and
it doesn't make me right! :)
I get that.

So have at me if you'd like! ;)

:cool:

OK ... Hang on ...

Someone will get Rright On That!!

:D

[joycenalex]

[QUOTE=RICHARD;2165788
LOL, If I send you my password to Desperate Singles, will you pick out my next GF? Please!:D


richard...can we talk, i have a candidate:cool::D:cool: for you....

[sasvermont]

Oh my. I feel sorry for her. She just doesn't get it. I wish she would have had someone else write the resignation. She rambled on and in her usual, poorly constructed sentences. She is SO out the league. Oh well.

If you Google her speech, you can find it somewhere.... oh, let's see is I can give you the link, should you want to listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=v5IIvg4gMxo

If I screwed up the link, it's on YouYube......

[Edwina's Secretary]

This month's issue of Vanity Fair also has an interesting article about Ms. Palin.

And one about Julia Childs - also a frequent target of Saturday Night Live...who could take it!

[sasvermont]

The link I have in the previous post links only to the second part of the speech. Somewhere on YouTube in a link to part 1. I listened to both parts just moments ago, and I am still trying to remember what my ears heard. Someone at one of the links commented that she must have gone off her medications before she gave the speech. It was one run on sentence after another.

The first part of the speech had a couple of birds flopping around behind her, as well as a baby crying in the background noise. I found that rather entertaining.

All in all, the speech was confusing at best. Maybe she didn't take Public Speaking 101 in college or high school.

Bless her heart.:confused:

P. S. Any bets on how quickly a call was made to Tina Fey for a SNL visit!

[Grace]

The first part of the speech had a couple of birds flopping around behind her, as well as a baby crying in the background noise. I found that rather entertaining.

All in all, the speech was confusing at best. Maybe she didn't take Public Speaking 101 in college or high school.

Bless her heart.:confused:

P. S. Any bets on how quickly a call was made to Tina Fey for a SNL visit!

I loved the ducks in the background :love:

As for Tina Fey, I got the distinct impression that she wanted no part of SP in the future.

[sasvermont]

I suspect Tina doesn't need the money or exposure so returning to SNL to play SP would be a stretch, surely. I wonder though - they would probably pay her a small fortune to do a cameo.

I really would like to see all of the hoopla go away for SP and her family, but if she keeps her family etc. on display or in the limelight, the negative press will keep up. Someone needs to save her from herself.

Maybe she should write a book - as stated in a couple of articles I've read. I hope her writing is better than her public speaking. Maybe she will have a co-author as many do. In fact, I encourage it.

I am going to give this topic a rest now. As you can tell, she is not my favorite person.
:p

[RICHARD]

[QUOTE=RICHARD;2165788]
LOL, If I send you my password to Desperate Singles, will you pick out my next GF? Please!:D


richard...can we talk, i have a candidate:cool::D:cool: for you....

Are her initials K-A-T-E W-A-L-S-H?:D

[lizbud]

I've just now finished the Vanity Fair article. It did manage to make
Palin a sympathetic figure near the end.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908

[Edwina's Secretary]

From the Vanity Fair article...one of my favorite examples of her previously cited "eloquence"!


... she stopped to talk to a local television reporter about what she had learned in the campaign just concluded. “I don’t think it’s changed me at all,” she insisted, clutching a cup of coffee as her breath steamed into the frosty air. “You know, it’s pretty brutal, the time consumption there, and the energy that has to be spent in order to get out and about with the message on a national level, a great appreciation for other candidates who have gone through this, but also just a great appreciation for this great country. There are so many good Americans who are just desiring of their government to kind of get out of the way and allow them to grow and progress, and allow our businesses to grow and progress. So, great appreciation for those who share that value.”

[RICHARD]

I still have my coupon!

[sasvermont]

Thanks for the link the the VF article. I was thinking I would have to buy the magazine to be able to read it. Wonder what rock I live under? :o:eek::o Every now and then my brain kicks in.
:p

[blue]

By your reasoning then, since I have no dogs, I am not allowed to post in the dog forum?

Your analogy is very flawed.


You posted in the Iran election thread - yet I'm reasonably certain you did not vote in their last election.

My opinion was asked in that thread, I was not telling the Iranians what to do.


Chill out, blue. You'll live longer.

So if I am condescending and talk down to others Ill live longer?


I don't think we've heard the end of Palin. :rolleyes:

Nor do I and I hope she can actually do some good for the state while she is at it.


It doesn't surprise me she resigned. I think she's been out of her league for sometime now. Once she ran for the VP position, and her act went world wide, many people didn't find her amusing. I surely didn't.

The move suprised alot of Alaskans, even having to spend so much time and money, state and personal money, fighting frivolous ethics charges. ETA: Previous Governors would have just wasted state time and money, Palin said no to business as usual and stepped down to save the states time and money, I can see why the lefties and MSM would find such integrity scary.

You vote for those who amuse you? That right there is scary.

She didnt ask to run as VP, she was asked to run by a campaign that stabbed her in the back.


I hope only the best for her. I hope her family survives the critics and cruel comments. She signed her family up for the game and I hope now, she takes them out of the game by keeping a low profile.

I can only hope you are being sincere when you say you hope her and her family their best, but forgive me if I dont take it to heart.


I never thought SP had enough sense to survive much past the election. The Republican party folks used her and then disposed of her. They did her no favors as far as I was concerned. They let her make a complete fool of herself. What the hell were they thinking when they considered her for the VP job? She was and is minor league, at best. Maybe even Little League!

Sarah Palin has done more for this state then the previous 2 Governors, and she has done alot for the city I now call home. Yes the GOP shoved her under the bus during the electionand the DNC has been running her down ever since. You hope her the best and then you insult her, classy move.


There are several different reports in the news today about the why she resigned and we may never know the real reason(s).

Say tuned.

The FBI stated...


"There is absolutely no truth to those rumors that we're investigating her or getting ready to indict her," Special Agent Eric Gonzalez said in a phone interview Saturday. "It's just not true." He added that there was "no wiggle room" in his comments for any kind of inquiry. Source (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palin5-2009jul05,0,7018263.story).

So what reports are you referring to, blogs, and rumor mills?


Oh, by the way, this is my opinion, and it doesn't make me right! :) I get that. So have at me if you'd like!;)



So why the large letters? You angry about something?


Does this mean people who do not live in California are not allowed to comment on California politicians????? Including...but not limited to Arnold, Speaker Pelosi, Senators Boxer or Feinstein, Congressperson Waxman, et al.

I wont comment about Arnold, Waxman, or any of your state representatives because it isnt any of my business, try and keep up. Pelosi, Boxer, and FeinStein are all fair game because they enact Federal laws and that affects every citizen in this country.


And only those living in Illinois are allowed to speak of Blago?

Comment? No, but to say he should resign, yes.


Oh how dull that would be!

Only if you enjoy tearing people down to make yourself feel better about your own lot in life.


Ms. Palin put herself (and as SAS points out - her family) front and center on the national stage - where in her speech she stated she intends to stay.

"Be careful what you ask for, you might get it!"

Obama put his own family front and center but somehow they are off limits, strange isnt it.

As for Bristol giving interviews or being on the cover of magazines, why should she or her mom be attacked for that? The lefties want abortions for 14 year olds without parental consent, so cant Bristol do something of her own free will without momy saying its OK?


Oh my. I feel sorry for her. She just doesn't get it. I wish she would have had someone else write the resignation. She rambled on and in her usual, poorly constructed sentences. She is SO out the league. Oh well.

Im glad she writes her own speeches, at least she is in touch with Alaskans and doesnt need a spin artist like most polititians. Again you say you feel sorry for her and insult her.


If you Google her speech, you can find it somewhere.... oh, let's see is I can give you the link, should you want to listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=v5IIvg4gMxo

If I screwed up the link, it's on YouYube......


This month's issue of Vanity Fair also has an interesting article about Ms. Palin.

And one about Julia Childs - also a frequent target of Saturday Night Live...who could take it!

Link (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/exec-column.php) to the text of the resignation, I dont know how long that link will be good.


The link I have in the previous post links only to the second part of the speech. Somewhere on YouTube in a link to part 1. I listened to both parts just moments ago, and I am still trying to remember what my ears heard. Someone at one of the links commented that she must have gone off her medications before she gave the speech. It was one run on sentence after another.

The first part of the speech had a couple of birds flopping around behind her, as well as a baby crying in the background noise. I found that rather entertaining.

All in all, the speech was confusing at best. Maybe she didn't take Public Speaking 101 in college or high school.

Bless her heart.:confused:

P. S. Any bets on how quickly a call was made to Tina Fey for a SNL visit!

Read the speech on the link above. You find a baby crying entertaining? People call me sick.


I've just now finished the Vanity Fair article. It did manage to make
Palin a sympathetic figure near the end.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908


From the Vanity Fair article...one of my favorite examples of her previously cited "eloquence"!

It really is sad that Americans would rather have their leaders talk down to them, then just talk to them. This Country has to many of the former and to little of the latter.

I hope Jack in the Box has alot of those smoothie coupons, this Country seems to need it.

[caseysmom]

All I can say is that my golden rule is that anyones kids are off limits..period.

[blue]

TO show I have a sense of humor...

http://imgur.com/idvV5.png

[sasvermont]

http://www.audubonmagazine.org/incite/incite0907.html

This is not new to me.... but I thought since it is also in the current magazine, maybe someone might read it again.

Palin needs to go....and hey, she is. Here's hoping the next Gov. will be brighter and care about wolves and the other animals mentioned in the article.

And guess what Blue? Your comments about me made me laugh. You don't know me at all. Comment away.

[blue]

Palin needs to go....and hey, she is. Here's hoping the next Gov. will be brighter and care about wolves.

Wolves here are like deer on the east coast, if we do nothing they will eventualy starve. The difference here in AK is if we let the wolves go their natural course towards starvation, many Alasksan families will also go hungry do to lack of game to fill their freezers for the winter. So do you care more about wolves or about families being fed? Last I heard Gov to be Parnell, is just as much for the aerial wolf hunting as Palin and the previous administration. Ild rather bounties be brought back then the continuation of aerial hunting, but thats just me. I hope Im wrong about Parnell and aerial wolf hunting.


And guess what Blue? Your comments about me made me laugh. You don't know me at all. Comment away.

I made observations about your posts, nothing more. So laugh away, its your right.

ETA: I just reread my post above, I made no comments about you, I asked a few questions but made no comments about you. Ild be happy to get to know you however, I welcome friends from all sides and from everywhere.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I've just now finished the Vanity Fair article. It did manage to make
Palin a sympathetic figure near the end.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908

Liz...I am curious what made you feel Palin a sympathetic figure? I reread it last night but could not tell.

It was refreshing to read that a) she uses a speechwriter (inlcuidng for her much raved acceptance speech) AND b)she uses a teleprompter. I thought it so strange and unprofessional that she would not.

[blue]

Liz...I am curious what made you feel Palin a sympathetic figure? I reread it last night but could not tell.

It was refreshing to read that a) she uses a speechwriter (inlcuidng for her much raved acceptance speech) AND b)she uses a teleprompter. I thought it so strange and unprofessional that she would not.

Palin was given a speech writer while she was a VP candidate, and she used a teleprompter while she was the VP candidate. As Gov she writes her own speeches and doesnt use a teleprompter. For you to call it unprofessional shows to me some people want to be told what to do, that some people want to be ruled.

If RICHARD spoke about a female elected official the way you speak about Mrs Palin you would accuse him of hating women and need a JB smoothie.

[RICHARD]

Caught a little of the Russian press conference.


We did well until the Q&A part of the program.

How does Um, Ah, Uh translate into Russian?

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I like Ms. Sanford!

She's the kind of woman that represents some of the females in the United States today.

They will not let go of a sham marriage, they will do anything to deflect THEIR part in the sham marriage, she is hell bent to stay 'relevant' in the marriage by giving the Governor a biatch slap any time she thinks he slips up.

I was informed that Ms. S is a self contained person who does not need the money or public adulation.

That said?

LOL-She's a lame duck wife, waiting to finish out her term as the Current First Lady of SC. After that, she'll write a book about how she went thru hell during the marriage and his term as Gov.

Alaska needs a governor.

I wonder what Ms. Sanford's qualifications are.;)


Street Rat Crazy, Baby!

[Edwina's Secretary]

I like Ms. Sanford!

She's the kind of woman that represents some of the females in the United States today.

They will not let go of a sham marriage, they will do anything to deflect THEIR part in the sham marriage, she is hell bent to stay 'relevant' in the marriage by giving the Governor a biatch slap any time she thinks he slips up.

I was informed that Ms. S is a self contained person who does not need the money or public adulation.

That said?

LOL-She's a lame duck wife, waiting to finish out her term as the Current First Lady of SC. After that, she'll write a book about how she went thru hell during the marriage and his term as Gov.

Alaska needs a governor.

I wonder what Ms. Sanford's qualifications are.;)


Street Rat Crazy, Baby!


had never, ever heard a woman publically take as much shiat as this woman.

Some of the things the MEDIA reported about her was really bizarre.

ANd some of the comics were merciless.


Hmmmmm same song...different tune? Yup!:D:D:D

[momoffuzzyfaces]

One thing, if Sara Palin runs for President she won't need to worry about getting my vote. If she can't handle being a govenor, she sure as heck couldn't handle being a President. :rolleyes:

[lizbud]

Liz...I am curious what made you feel Palin a sympathetic figure? I reread it last night but could not tell.

It was refreshing to read that a) she uses a speechwriter (inlcuidng for her much raved acceptance speech) AND b)she uses a teleprompter. I thought it so strange and unprofessional that she would not.


This is the paragraph I was referring to. For a brief few minutes, I could
see her as a human being. In the end, she really is her own worst enemy.


"In Evansville, though, Palin concentrated on the task at hand: an emphatic defense of the anti-abortion cause. But in doing so she made a startling confession about what she thought when she learned she was pregnant at 43 with her youngest child, Trig, who arrived in April 2008, as the world now knows, with Down syndrome. “I had found out that I was pregnant while out of state first,” Palin told the crowd. “While out of state, there just for a fleeting moment, I thought, Nobody knows me here. Nobody would ever know. I thought, Wow, it is easy to think maybe of trying to change the circumstances and no one would know—no one would ever know. Then when my amniocentesis results came back, showing what they called abnormalities—oh, dear God—I knew, I had instantly an understanding, for that fleeting moment, why someone would believe it could seem possible to change those circumstances, just make it all go away, get some normalcy back in life.” It is almost impossible not to be touched by the rawness of her confession, even if it is precisely this choice that Palin believes no other woman should ever have, not even in the case of rape or incest. "

[Edwina's Secretary]

This is the paragraph I was referring to. For a brief few minutes, I could
see her as a human being. In the end, she really is her own worst enemy.



Yes, there certainly was some humanity there - it is a shame her "fleeting moment" could not extend to thinking about others perhaps not as equipped as she is to deal with the consequences.

And rather telling that her main concerned was others knowing!

[blue]

Ive never seen such misogyny from women before, this truely is a first for me.

[caseysmom]

Ive never seen such misogyny from women before, this truely is a first for me.

You must not have been paying attention in high school:D

[blue]

You must not have been paying attention in high school:D

I dont remember alot about high school. That shouldnt matter anyway, most of us are long past HS.

[Grace]

111 pages - that's the length of this thread. It was started by Richard, March 19, 2008!!

I went back and read it from the very beginning. Takes awhile, but it's well worth the time.

Richard, have you thought about turning this into a book http://bestsmileys.com/reading/4.gif

[pomtzu]

I went back and read it from the very beginning. Takes awhile, but it's well worth the time.



That makes my eyes hurt just thinking about it! :eek: :D

[Edwina's Secretary]

You must not have been paying attention in high school:D

:D:eek::D:D

[lizbud]

Get on with her life and please, stop talking to the media.:rolleyes:
This from one of her latest interviews.........

" Sarah Palin and her defenders have cited numerous ethics complaints against the Alaska governor as a practical reason for her resignation. Fighting the claims, Palin told the Anchorage Daily News Monday, was immobilizing her: "I'm not going to let Alaskans go through a year of stymied, paralyzed administration and not getting anything done."

Naturally, skeptical observers have wondered how Palin would handle being president if some ethics complaints are enough to make her unable to run a state. Palin's answer: if she was president, the Department of Law would protect her.

Palin said there is a difference between the White House and what she has experienced in Alaska. If she were in the White House the "department of law" would protect her from baseless ethical allegations.

"I think on a national level your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.


There is no Department of Law. "

[RICHARD]

111 pages - that's the length of this thread. It was started by Richard, March 19, 2008!!

I went back and read it from the very beginning. Takes awhile, but it's well worth the time.

Richard, have you thought about turning this into a book http://bestsmileys.com/reading/4.gif

It's not 'my' thread. ;)

The thing that makes me kinda smile about the whole thing is that it has been pretty civil for the most part.

When I read some of the other stuff that shows up on 'political' websites I realize that we are in real trouble as a country. There are people in the media, and others that pass themselves off a media people that I wish would drop off the planet.

But to have this thread going for so long is a real tribute to everyone that has posted and read it.



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I found out a long, long time ago that anyone who gets angry and cannot laugh before, during or after a political conversation, should not be talking politics.

People have turned it into a reason to dislike another person, all because they have a differing opinion.

So what?

You voted for X, I voted for Y.

I have problems with how my guy lost, Show some class about your winner.

I'll get behind the 'champion', but don't expect me to buy the t-shirt.

I don't take my political views to heart, or anyone else's either.

Politics, nor politicians hold my best interest in mind. I get on the band wagon when I see something I like and let it go afterwards. The people who are injured after a political conversations are the Trekkies of politics!

They refuse to see the reality of politics-the reality is that it's all lies!
Anyway, Trekkies are alot smarter. They save the uniforms and costumes for special occasions, not everday use.;)

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As they say, everyone has opinions and rear ends, right?

You just got to keep them clean and they won't smell.:D

[blue]

:D:eek::D:D

At worst that insulting at best its enjoying the degradation of others.


Get on with her life and please, stop talking to the media.:rolleyes:
This from one of her latest interviews.........

" Sarah Palin and her defenders have cited numerous ethics complaints against the Alaska governor as a practical reason for her resignation. Fighting the claims, Palin told the Anchorage Daily News Monday, was immobilizing her: "I'm not going to let Alaskans go through a year of stymied, paralyzed administration and not getting anything done."

Naturally, skeptical observers have wondered how Palin would handle being president if some ethics complaints are enough to make her unable to run a state. Palin's answer: if she was president, the Department of Law would protect her.

Palin said there is a difference between the White House and what she has experienced in Alaska. If she were in the White House the "department of law" would protect her from baseless ethical allegations.

"I think on a national level your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.


There is no Department of Law. "

Stop watching, stop reading, and stop commenting on it. THe news is after ratings, and they will keep inviting her on as long as she brings ratings.

Alaska has a Department of Law, Mrs Palin was likely referring to the Justice Department for the federal level, she doesnt rely on a full staff of writers and a teleprompter during statements as Gov.

You want painfull, Obama's Q&A about his trip to Russia, the ums and ahs where quite painful to listen to.

[Puckstop31]

Blue.... Let it go. They are neither interested in facts or honest debate. They just want to make themselves feel better by bashing her. Sure, they SAY they feel sad for her and her kids.... But we know, its all good.


If they REALLY did not care for her, they would ignore her. (They being the press and the usual suspects here.) In reality, hardcore "political class" types, some D some R, FEAR her like the plauge. Why else would they invest so much energy in trying to destroy her? Its how they work. They don't argue the facts, because they can't. Instead, they target the person.


Just let it go. Knowing that if it ever came to a real debate on the values and issues... You know, with actual research and facts, rather than a quote from a media article, we can't lose. You know it, I know it, THEY know it.


To the "Progressive" types.... This is not about Sarah Palin. Its about we "flyover country" types knowing our 'place'. Never forget that not only can we win on the debate, we HEAVILY outnumber you. But we are too busy working and living our lives. When it matters, real America will be there.

People are starting to smell the BS the past few Presidents have been dishing out. Heck, these last 2 guys are starting to make me a fan of CLINTON. LOL.

[sasvermont]

I don't recall rules saying we must debate.

I enjoy reading others' opinions and don't need to make them wrong or try to correct them OR try make them change their minds. I let them be. My opinions may differ from others - and they will - I accept that. You are entitled to yours as well.

To each his own.

[Grace]

I don't recall rules saying we must debate.

I enjoy reading others' opinions and don't need to make them wrong or try to correct them OR try make them change their minds. I let them be. My opinions may differ from others - and they will - I accept that. You are entitled to yours as well.

To each his own.

Good post!!

For those wishing to debate, HERE (http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Welcome_to_Debatepedia!) is a website to visit.

[Puckstop31]

I don't recall rules saying we must debate.

I enjoy reading others' opinions and don't need to make them wrong or try to correct them OR try make them change their minds. I let them be. My opinions may differ from others - and they will - I accept that. You are entitled to yours as well.

To each his own.

LOL... I know. I fully understand that there are no "rules" saying you must debate.

If it really came down to "each his own", AWESOME. That is what I want. That is what the founders intended, not this bloated, inefficient, corrupt colossus we have now. When you support politicians who support policies that FORCE anothers view on my life.... Well.... What say ye to that?

The freedom to innovate
The freedom to buy
The freedom to sell
The freedom to FAIL and not FORCE society to help you

To each his own.... If ONLY.

[Grace]

LOL... I know. I fully understand that there are no "rules" saying you must debate.

If it really came down to "each his own", AWESOME. That is what I want. That is what the founders intended, not this bloated, inefficient, corrupt colossus we have now. When you support politicians who support policies that FORCE anothers view on my life.... Well.... What say ye to that?

The freedom to innovate
The freedom to buy
The freedom to sell
The freedom to FAIL and not FORCE society to help you

To each his own.... If ONLY.

I have a question for you, Puck. I'm being serious here. I've read many of your posts where you complain about the government of this country. When you and Sparks got married, did you ever consider, even briefly, going to live in Canada - away from the government of this country?

[Puckstop31]

I have a question for you, Puck. I'm being serious here. I've read many of your posts where you complain about the government of this country. When you and Sparks got married, did you ever consider, even briefly, going to live in Canada - away from the government of this country?

Yes, but Government had nothing to do with it. I applied for several jobs, was made an offer by two different firms in the London, ON area. But because my skill set, Network Engineering, is not a NAFTA class job, the Ontario Government had to allow the firm to hire me. Both times my petition was denied, stating that there were Canadians in the job pool with the same skill set, on paper, as me. Thus the firm had to hire a Canadian.


Hindsight being what it is, its a good thing we did not move up there. My business is doing very well (knock, knock on wood) today.


I think I see where you are going with this.... No, I am not going to leave just because I fear where our country is going. That would be akin to surrender. We are still the most free nation on Earth, but we are close to giving it away.... And for what?


Let me be clear. I do NOT hate my country. I've fought for it, i've bled for it, i've buried friends for it.... I'd still die for it, without a thought. What I hate are the people we have selected as our "leaders". Barely any of them have ever kept the promises and oath's they have taken. Their tap dance game will end soon though, because the people are starting to wake up and pay attention. Its all it will really take. People to start holding these scum bags to their word.

I love my country, I HATE how our politicians abuse our Constitution.

How is the "stimulus" nonsense Constitutional?
How would a "free" health care system be Constitutional?
How is The President appointing all these "Czars", Constitutional?

Just because the people vote a guy in, does not give them the right to forget the Constitution.

If they ignore the Constitution, whats to stop them from doing anything else they want?


ETA - In summary.... I'm not a "run away" kind of guy. I'm the guy who marches to the "sound of the guns".

[Edwina's Secretary]

Having read TIME interview with Ms. Palin...I am taken back by one comment she makes..."tapped to run for vice president."

It rather reminds me of employees who say..."I wasn't looking for a job, they called me!" as if that somehow absolves them of the responsibility for the decision they made.

Sarah Palin had a choice to make - no one forced her to run for vice-president. She said "yes".

Spinning, spinning, spinning!

[lizbud]

- In summary.... I'm not a "run away" kind of guy. I'm the guy who marches to the "sound of the guns".


In what direction??? LOL :)

[Puckstop31]

Having read TIME interview with Ms. Palin...I am taken back by one comment she makes..."tapped to run for vice president."

It rather reminds me of employees who say..."I wasn't looking for a job, they called me!" as if that somehow absolves them of the responsibility for the decision they made.

Sarah Palin had a choice to make - no one forced her to run for vice-president. She said "yes".

Spinning, spinning, spinning!

Cool, so she is just another politician. Big shocker. Mrs. Palin the person... Cool. The politician? Not so good, now that she just up and quit.

Anyway...


Can we possibly focus now on the people actually IN a office that matters? You know, the ones flushing our future down the crapper spending money that does not exisit on things that won't add REAL jobs to the economy, ever. The people who have spent barely 5% of the FIRST "stimulus" (most of it is spent in 2010, a <shock> election year!), who are now talking about ANOTHER one! Or are you guys really so afraid of her that you must banter on about her? All this media attention is doing is making her book deal sweeter. Which is funny in a way...

[Puckstop31]

In what direction??? LOL :)



Uhhhh.... TO "the sound of the guns." :)


It's an expression that was used by Napoleonic era Army commanders.

[RICHARD]

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If they REALLY did not care for her, they would ignore her.

The way it really works?

There men are afraid that a woman without any bits will beat them.

The women hate her because when THEIR men stand next to her,
SP's bits are bigger.

:eek::confused::o

[Grace]

Yes, but Government had nothing to do with it. I applied for several jobs, was made an offer by two different firms in the London, ON area. But because my skill set, Network Engineering, is not a NAFTA class job, the Ontario Government had to allow the firm to hire me. Both times my petition was denied, stating that there were Canadians in the job pool with the same skill set, on paper, as me. Thus the firm had to hire a Canadian.


Hindsight being what it is, its a good thing we did not move up there. My business is doing very well (knock, knock on wood) today.


I think I see where you are going with this.... No, I am not going to leave just because I fear where our country is going. That would be akin to surrender. We are still the most free nation on Earth, but we are close to giving it away.... And for what?



The part I made bold had absolutely nothing to do with my thought process. You simply complain so often, I wondered if you had thought about living somewhere else - not running away certainly. You would still be able to maintain your citizenship - just not live in the thick of things. And marrying someone from another country gives the perfect opportunity.

I'm happy for you that your work is doing well.

[Puckstop31]

The part I made bold had absolutely nothing to do with my thought process. You simply complain so often, I wondered if you had thought about living somewhere else - not running away certainly. You would still be able to maintain your citizenship - just not live in the thick of things. And marrying someone from another country gives the perfect opportunity.

I'm happy for you that your work is doing well.

I am sorry for making a bad assumption. Please forgive me.

Living somewhere else? What other nation has a Constitution that promises the liberty we are supposed to have here? Now if only our leaders would respect it, rather than enslaving us in a vain attempt to "save" us. We are better than this. The American people are better than this. We have proven it, time and again. We don't need government to save us, we need them to get out of our way. We know how to make business and thus the economy thrive, they don't.

Thank you for the compliment about my business. I like to think we got where we are because of how we treat our clients and how we conduct our business. We NEVER go for the idea of the quick buck. We do what is best for the customer, always. We could easily sell clients technology they do not need or could ever use. Around here, reputation is everything.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Jon and Kate decided to put their family and their marriage on the national scene. Consequently, people talk about their marriage and their family -- over 100 posts on a thread about them.

I do not think those folks talked about Jon and Kate because they are jealous, or don't like families or are comparing the size of their "bits."

The Jackson family decided to have a televised memorial service for Michael. Consequently, people are talking - including on a thread here on PT about the service and how the family grieved.

I do not think those who are talking about the behavior of the Jackson family are doing it because they are jealous or do not like blacks or because they are comparing the size of their "bits."

Sarah Palin decided to enter the national political scene when she decided to run for VP. Consequently people are talking about her political views and her political actions.

It is possible (at least for most) to have an opinion about the actions of others without it being because of jealousy, gender, race,or the size of anyone's "bits."

I do not like some of the positions of Barak Obama (especially the misnamed Employee Free Choice Act.)

That does not mean I have "a problem" with men or that I have the very least interest in the size of his "bits" or I am jealous of his wardrobe.

We are all entitled to an an opinion about Kate and Jon, Michael Jackson, and Sarah Palin -- and Barak Obama - especially as they have all made the decision to be public figures.

[blue]

Spinning, spinning, spinning!

From all the spinning you do Im suprised you arent to dizzy to type a coherent sentence.


I do not like some of the positions of Barak Obama (especially the misnamed Employee Free Choice Act.)

Im no fan of unions myself but Im curious what your ojections to the EFCA are?

[Grace]

Im no fan of unions myself but Im curious what your ojections to the EFCA are?

May I put in my 2¢ worth here? I don't like the EFCA because it seems to want to do away with secret ballots.

Personally, I favor 'right to work' laws. So does my husband who, although retired, is still a member of the UAW.

[blue]

Blue.... Let it go. They are neither interested in facts or honest debate. They just want to make themselves feel better by bashing her. Sure, they SAY they feel sad for her and her kids.... But we know, its all good.

I learned a new word today while watching Boston Legal, the word is schadenfreude.

Schadenfreude is defined as...


scha⋅den⋅freu⋅de [shahd-n-froi-duh]

–noun satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.

Origin:
1890–95; < G, equiv. to Schaden harm + Freude joy

I see alot of schadenfreude when it comes to Sarah Palin, be it in the press, online blogs, and even here on PT.

[blue]

May I put in my 2¢ worth here? I don't like the EFCA because it seems to want to do away with secret ballots.

Personally, I favor 'right to work' laws. So does my husband who, although retired, is still a member of the UAW.

Alaska may be a Forced Unionism State but I am very much anti union. However union members should have the right to privacy and that includes secret ballots.

[Grace]

Schadenfreude

One of my favorite words :)

[blue]

One of my favorite words :)

Its almost a personal moto for some.

[Puckstop31]

We are all entitled to an an opinion about Kate and Jon, Michael Jackson, and Sarah Palin -- and Barak Obama - especially as they have all made the decision to be public figures.

Again..... I never said that you were not entitled to an opinion, of course you are.


Its just interesting how so many go on and on and on about her.

[Grace]

Its just interesting how so many go on and on and on about her.

Give it a rest, Puck. Have you checked out the MJ topic recently - it's at 19 pages and counting. Most likely SP will cease as flavor-of-the-day when she ceases to put herself all over the front pages.

[Grace]

Massachusetts has decided to file suit against the U.S. Government.

From the Boston Globe -

Mass. is 1st to fight US marriage law

By Nandini Jayakrishna and Jonathan Saltzman, Globe Correspondent | Globe Staff | July 9, 2009

Massachusetts, the first state to legalize gay marriage, yesterday became the first to challenge the constitutionality of a federal law that defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman, contending that Congress intruded into a matter that should be left to states.

The suit filed by state Attorney General Martha Coakley says the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996 violates the US Constitution by interfering with the state’s right to define the marital status of residents. The suit also says the law forces the state to discriminate against same-sex married couples - on certain health benefits and burial rights - or risk losing federal funding.

“Congress overstepped its authority, undermined states’ efforts to recognize marriages between same-sex couples, and codified an animus towards gay and lesbian people,’’ said the complaint filed in US District Court in Boston.

More than 16,000 same-sex couples have wed in Massachusetts since gay marriage became legal in the state in 2004, the suit said, “and the security and stability of families has been strengthened in important ways throughout the state.’’

Charles Miller, a spokesman for the Justice Department, which defends the government in litigation, issued a two-sentence statement yesterday saying President Obama “supports legislative repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act because it prevents LGBT couples from being granted equal rights and benefits. We will review this case.’’

Massachusetts risks losing millions in dollars for MassHealth, the state’s Medicaid program for the poor, and for veterans’ cemeteries overseen by the state Department of Veterans Services, unless it obeys the Defense of Marriage Act. The federal government has told the state that it cannot provide federal funding for MassHealth benefits given to same-sex spouses. It also informed the state it will lose Veterans Affairs funding if it buries the same-sex spouse of a veteran in a cemetery, as the state does for heterosexual spouses of veterans.

Yesterday’s lawsuit fueled speculation that Coakley is courting liberal Democrats in preparation for a bid for a more prominent office. Coakley has been mentioned as a possible successor to Senator Edward M. Kennedy if he is unable to finish his term because of brain cancer, and to Governor Deval Patrick if he changes his mind and decides not to seek reelection.

Coakley’s stand “appeals to liberals generally, and it appeals to the gay community specifically,’’ said Dennis Hale, a political science professor at Boston College.

But Coakley brushed aside a question about her political future at a news conference.

“As of today, unlike many of my colleagues, I’m still running for reelection for attorney general,’’ she said. Her term expires January 2011. The suit is the second in four months challenging the Defense of Marriage Act in federal court in Boston.

On March 3, six same-sex couples and three men whose husbands died brought a claim that said the federal law barred them from getting more than 1,000 marriage-related benefits that heterosexual couples enjoy. The benefits include health insurance for spouses of federal employees and tax deductions for couples who jointly file federal income tax returns.

Legal specialists described that complaint, which was filed by Gay & Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, as one of the first serious challenges to the law. Like the earlier suit, Coakley’s complaint quickly drew fire from opponents of same-sex marriage.

Tony Perkins, president of the Washington-based Family Research Council, called on the Justice Department “to fulfill its constitutional duties and continue its defense of DOMA against such frivolous lawsuits.’’

Kris Mineau, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute, said the tide of public opinion was strongly in favor of the federal law and predicted Coakley’s suit will fail.

“We believe the suit will have no credibility in the federal courts,’’ he said. “The federal courts have already ruled that the DOMA is constitutional.’’

But Andrew Koppelman, a Northwestern University law professor and authority on same-sex marriage laws, disagreed with Mineau’s assessment, saying that the federal judiciary has yet to deal squarely with the constitutionality of the law.

The lawsuit filed in March might fare better than Coakley’s, he said, because it persuasively argued that the law is nothing but discriminatory - a “bare desire to harm a politically unpopular group.’’ He said the state’s claim, which relies more on a federalism argument, may be weaker because the government often attaches strings when funneling money to states.

Still, Coakley’s suit could help sway a court that might be inclined to strike down the law, he said, in that “the challenge comes not just from gay rights advocates, but also from a state.’’

Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, and New Hampshire allow or will soon permit same-sex marriages. The unions are scheduled to become legal in Maine, as well, in September, but that could be put on hold if opponents gather enough signatures to force a statewide vote.

Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act, and President Clinton signed it, when it appeared increasingly likely that a state would soon legalize same-sex marriage, either by legislation or a court interpretation of state or federal law.

Proponents of the statute feared that if one state legalized gay marriage, other states would be required to do so under the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution. Seven years later, in November 2003, Massachusetts’ high court issued its landmark ruling, making the state the first in the country to recognize same-sex marriages, in May 2004.

Arline Isaacson, cochairwoman of the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus, said Coakley had shrewdly used a traditionally conservative argument - states’ rights - to challenge the federal law.

But C.J. Doyle, executive director of the Catholic Action League, said the suit reflected the “rather callous hypocrisy of a state government which refused to allow the people of Massachusetts to vote on the definition of marriage now complaining that the federal government is intruding upon its rights of self-government.’’

Material from the Associated Press was used in this report. Martin Finucane of the Globe staff contributed to this report.


For blue - link (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/09/mass_to_challenge_us_marriage_law/)

[blue]

Massachusetts has decided to file suit against the U.S. Government.

From the Boston Globe -



For blue - link (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/09/mass_to_challenge_us_marriage_law/)

Good for them, but IMO they arent taking it far enough when it comes to the Fed .Gov's involvement in marriages.

[Grace]

Good for them, but IMO they arent taking it far enough when it comes to the Fed .Gov's involvement in marriages.

What more should/could they do? I guess I figure this is a start - better this than nothing.

EDIT:

I wish some of the other states that already favor gay marriage would join in this action.

[blue]

What more should/could they do? I guess I figure this is a start - better this than nothing.

I feel there should be no federal laws pertaining to marriage. No benefits, no penalties, and no definitions.


EDIT:

I wish some of the other states that already favor gay marriage would join in this action.

Back in 1996 I dont remember if I was for or against Alaska's gay marriage ban, but thas not realy here or there is it?

[Grace]

Anyone remember the TV show Dirty, Sexy Money?

It's playing out right now, live, in Nevada and the U.S. Senate.


Sen. John Ensign's parents shelled out big bucks to pay off their son's mistress, the latest twist in an unfolding scandal that has upended the political career of the one-time rising GOP star.

The scandal has also touched Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), another prominent conservative, who revealed that he had confronted Ensign about the affair and urged him to end it, but says he will refuse to divulge any conversations with Ensign — even under inquiry from ethics investigators.

On Thursday, Ensign's attorney said that the senator's parents gave Doug Hampton, Cynthia Hampton and their two children gifts worth $96,000 in the form of a check. The attorney, Paul Coggins, said that each gift was limited to $12,000 and "complied with tax rules governing gifts."

The disclosure of the April 2008 payment seemed intended to head off growing questions about whether Ensign violated federal law by failing to report what Doug Hampton called a severance package worth more than $25,000 to his wife Cynthia, who left Ensign's campaign staff on April 30, 2008.

Ensign was not required to report the giving of such gifts, and on Thursday, his attorney went to lengths to point out that the payments were made and "accepted" as gifts from personal accounts rather than as a severance package for their dismissal from his staff. It's unclear whether the Hamptons view the payments as a gift or as severance, and an attorney for the couple wasn't reachable for comment.

The revelations of the payoff came as the scandal - quiet for several weeks - blossomed anew as Doug Hampton, the husband of Ensign's mistress Cynthia, told a Nevada television show this week that Ensign left his family in shambles by relentlessly pursuing his wife, even after writing a February 2008 letter purporting to break off the affair. The nine-month affair ended in August 2008 - some three months after the time both Hamptons left Ensign's staff.


Entire article HERE (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24748.html)

[Puckstop31]

Thomas Paine was a wise man... I give you the first paragraph of Common Sense. Feb. 1776


Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in the defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.



Given Grace's above example... And we all know many more can be found and talked about, from BOTH the D and R side.... Isn't it time to put the petty division of parties behind us? All they accomplish is to keep us fighting each other.

[Grace]

Given Grace's above example...

Which one - I posted on two different topics?

I'd rather discuss the first one - the second has become so very common these days ;)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Again I say...I am neither D nor R...I am either V for voter or A for American.

I do not care what party affiliation someone professes...I care about the actions...the words of the person.

So...who keeps bringing up ....D...or R???

Yup...to quote another long gone guy...Physician...heal thyself!

[blue]

So...who keeps bringing up ....D...or R???

It must have been your turn today.


















“The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don’t have it.”--George Bernard Shaw

[Puckstop31]

Again I say...I am neither D nor R...I am either V for voter or A for American.

I do not care what party affiliation someone professes...I care about the actions...the words of the person.

So...who keeps bringing up ....D...or R???

Yup...to quote another long gone guy...Physician...heal thyself!


First, thank you for reading my posts again. Second, I wasn't talking about you... There are a couple of other here who play that card.


So, lets discuss policy then? Any opinions on the "Global Warming" bill currently making its way through Congress? Your lady, Barbara Boxer, said some pretty amazing things about it recently. Apparently, she reads different science than the rest of us.


Finally, FWIW.... I don't want a fight. Believe it or not, I think you really do love our country. We just differ, vastly, on what we think is best for it. All I want is a chat about it. I like it on sites where the main focus is not such stuff, because you usually are just talking to "regular" people. The honesty level is usually higher. So lets not talk down to each other and lay off the barely hidden venom. I am just as guilty as anybody. OK?

[Puckstop31]

Which one - I posted on two different topics?

I'd rather discuss the first one - the second has become so very common these days ;)

These days? Come now, we know politics is the 2nd oldest profession, yet is VERY similar to the first, eh? LOL

You have me at a loss I think. When you say "first" one, do you mean gay marriage? If so, there is not much to discuss... We are probably on the same side there.

[Grace]

These days? Come now, we know politics is the 2nd oldest profession, yet is VERY similar to the first, eh? LOL

You have me at a loss I think. When you say "first" one, do you mean gay marriage? If so, there is not much to discuss... We are probably on the same side there.

I did mean the first one - about gay marriage. I think the other one has been dissected from all sides, both here and everywhere else. I'm sorry I posted that article, now. Just couldn't resist the comparison between "real life" and sleaze TV.

[Edwina's Secretary]

. Believe it or not, I think you really do love our country.

What hubris. What arrogance. You are the arbiter of "love of country"???

No thanks.

Zebras don't change their stripes.

[lizbud]

What hubris. What arrogance. You are the arbiter of "love of country"???

No thanks.

Zebras don't change their stripes.


It is funny.:D Maybe Puck is trying out his new Zen persona.:p

[Puckstop31]

What hubris. What arrogance. You are the arbiter of "love of country"???

No thanks.

Zebras don't change their stripes.

Wow... You must really hate me. That is not even close to what I meant.


I just wanted you to know that I am not one of those "Fox News Republicans" who think that if you are not with us, you hate your country.


Will you ever be able to let go of the drama ES? Maybe take a step back once and not assume the worst from your "enemies"? I am trying to do that.


FWIW, perhaps Zebras cannot change their stripes... But human beings are capable of life altering changes. I've seen it and surely you have too.

[sasvermont]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Edwina's Secretary]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'll join you SAS....

[Puckstop31]

Wow.... What a shame. Not surprising really, but still a shame.

So there is no hope, unless of course everybody agrees with you? What about "hope and change"?


Talk about being closed minded...

[blue]

I guess its a case of "I will see no opinions other then mine, hear no opinions other then mine, speak of no opinions other then mine, and I will shut my eyes, cover my ears and shout down anybody who tries to offer opinions I disagree with". Or maybe when they are offered an olive branch they simply see a sword.

That or Jack in the Box ran out of smoothies.

[RICHARD]

In a few hours the new health care packages will be presented.


How stupid are we to let a bunch of morons push this legislation by us without letting us decide what we need.

I want the same coverage that Baba, Nancy and Dianne have. Eff this! The more I see the 'sweeping changes' and 'reform' in the HCS that BO wants to impose upon us, I really have to laugh.

Instead of trying to reel in the costs and looking at the system, one part at a time, the gov't. (current regime) wants to build a fence around the whole problem, then send flunkies inside to do battle with the evil trapped inside.
There is absolutely no fore thought, planning or desire to really fix the system.


If you think it's bad now?:eek:

[RICHARD]

That or Jack in the Box ran out of smoothies.


Street Rat Crazy in da HOOD!

:eek:

[blue]

Their goal is to destroy private health care coverage.

[RICHARD]

"rhetorical flourish"?

Say what you mean, mean what you say?

I was watching RED EYE last night and they were talking about the opening round of la senorita's interview. They were right, It is a suckfest. For the sake of being PC, I will leave out the best question of last night's program.;)


I again apologize to the rest of the country for Dianne Feinstein's appointment to the Senate. She has got to be one of he most annoying politicians on the planet.

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Pat Leahy is fumbling around on CNN about the "wise latina" comment.

I think that sotomayor misspoke- she meant to say, "Homie, This homegirl came from the hood and yo whiteboys just ain't got the 'sperience this OG gots from growing up in the NYC.

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OH,

I have to say this right now.

I have this underlying dislike of our 'shoo-in' appointee-Not because of her not having bits or her latina-ness or her having more experience for the job.

I CANNOT STAND "professional" people who are inept when it comes to public speaking.

In years gone by, a politician would get to a mike and was able to muddle through a speech or make a comment that was almost perfect.

These days I am effing amazed that a person, born and raised in America, gets to a premier school, gets a law degree, becomes a judge and possibly the next SCJ for the United States and still cannot use English properly.

This is a peeve of mine that shows how petty I am. My dad had a thick accent, never really got the hang of the language -It smell like hell in here!:D-
But he made pretty damn sure that his kids were schooled and were able to speak the King's English properly.

----------------------


To hear a person, who has more education that I'll ever see, hack and mangle sentences makes me shake my head and wonder.

I gots the idea that there be a problem with some thing that don't make so much sense when you hear it the first time.

The more I see and hear people that went to a uni/college, get wonderful jobs, yet, cannot seem to speak english properly, lets me know that no one took the time to correct them. It makes me cringe, not because I am any better or smarter. It just irritates me that we look the other way when we hear it.

Wisdom, brains, common sense should never be measured against the way a person speaks, but I wonder how a smart person could never realize how they sound when they speak.



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[Grace]

OH,

I have to say this right now.


I CANNOT STAND "professional" people who are inept when it comes to public speaking.

In years gone by, a politician would get to a mike and was able to muddle through a speech or make a comment that was almost perfect.

These days I am effing amazed that a person, born and raised in America, gets to a premier school, gets a law degree, becomes a judge and possibly the next SCJ for the United States and still cannot use English properly.

This is a peeve of mine that shows how petty I am. My dad had a thick accent, never really got the hang of the language -It smell like hell in here!:D-
But he made pretty damn sure that his kids were schooled and were able to speak the King's English properly.

----------------------


To hear a person, who has more education that I'll ever see, hack and mangle sentences makes me shake my head and wonder.

I gots the idea that there be a problem with some thing that don't make so much sense when you hear it the first time.

The more I see and hear people that went to a uni/college, get wonderful jobs, yet, cannot seem to speak english properly, lets me know that no one took the time to correct them. It makes me cringe, not because I am any better or smarter. It just irritates me that we look the other way when we hear it.

Wisdom, brains, common sense should never be measured against the way a person speaks, but I wonder how a smart person could never realize how they sound when they speak.


Oh, Richard, you opened up the door wide with this one, and I can't resist the obvious. How did you manage to survive the past 8 years of Presidential speaking :D

[Pinot's Mom]

Oh, Richard, you opened up the door wide with this one, and I can't resist the obvious. How did you manage to survive the past 8 years of Presidential speaking :D

:rolleyes:

"One of the very difficult parts of the decision I made on the financial crisis was to use hardworking people's money to help prevent there to be a crisis." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

"Anyone engaging in illegal financial transactions will be caught and persecuted." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2008

"We got plenty of money in Washington. What we need is more priority." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 2, 2008

[Medusa]

This reminds me of what happened at the grocery story last week. A man came up to me at the meat counter and asked if the store sells lamb. I said "Sure, here it is" and I pointed to it. He thanked me and I said "You're welcome", we smiled at each other and both of us tried to leave but kept getting in each other's way. He finally said "I'm sorry. You're not in my way, is it?" It made me chuckle and he chuckled, too, because he knew that he probably didn't say it right. We all fumble for words now and then and probably use a word inappropriately but I get your meaning, RICHARD. Some people just cannot express themselves and public speaking is the last thing that they should be doing.

[RICHARD]

Oh, Richard, you opened up the door wide with this one, and I can't resist the obvious. How did you manage to survive the past 8 years of Presidential speaking :D

GWB was a doofus and he knew it.

BO is a doofus and he doesn't know it.

WTF cares about how anyone pronounces New Cleh ear? The end result is mass destruction and -like the old bumper sticker said - a ruined day.

BO cannot think on his feet but is very eloquent, with notes and a teleprompter.

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Seriously,

Then next time BO does a speech and starts to stammer his way thru the copy, play a drinking game while you watch.

Drink for every Um, Ah and Uh.

I can handle booze, but was in danger of losing my liver in the 15 minutes+
that I played, plus I got way more effed up than I planned.

GWB and his speeches were more a throwback to Yogi Berra, fat ladies singing and getting to the fork in the road and taking it and doing that deja vu thing, over and over again.

My peeve with La Mujer del Momento, is her fracturing the english language with the wealth of education she has.


GWB was a bobo that flew airplanes for a while, you just have to learn to land and take off. Most of the time what happens in between is out of a pilot's hands.

As the joke goes, You have to worry when the pilot flying the plane says, "Oh Shiat!"

Other than that? Who cares what he says!:confused::eek::o

[RICHARD]

I have to invoke the spirit of Billy Mayes, for reasons that will be made clear in a moment?

I want my politicians to be more like Billy Mayes, Why?


He makes me feel like the stuff he sold was important in my life.

He told me that it worked, never mentioned the down side of the product-Hmmm, Notice he never mentioned TAXES, just shipping and handling!

He'd give me two of the items, I just had to pay a little extra for S&H!

He guaranteed it for life, If I didn't like the item I could send it back, and I had lifetime refills - for only a small, you guessed it!- S&H!

But never TAXES. The dude put his name on some cool stuff and other crap that was nothing but pieces of shiat!:eek:

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The only thing that the these hearings are doing is offering us more crap from our reps that they put their name on and little else......

No guarantees, no refills, opportunity to send stuff back, or get a refund.

Caveat emptor (Thanks, STE! ;)) And a Boom Shaka Lakka to you all!

Poor Billy put his name on 'his' products because if they didn't sell, he didn't make money.

The snakes on the "hill" just sell stuff and really don't care about any guarantees regarding their products.....They will keep their cushy jobs, until they get caught stalking, going overseas for some action or find out that the escort they hired is really a hooker!


God bless us and America too. We place way too much attention to the "First fill in the skin type/background in America" and do not place enough attention on the qualifications of that individual.

We'll break all the land speed records to get where we think we need to go.

If we crash and burn on the track?

You guys go clean up the mess, I was all against THAT can o' worms.



God bless ya, Billy!

[RICHARD]

"One of the very difficult parts of um the decision I made on the financial ah crisis was to use hardworking people's money ah to help prevent there to be a crisis." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

"Anyone engaging in illegal um financial transactions will be caught and uh persecuted." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2008

"We got plenty of money in ah Washington. What we need is er more priority." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 2, 2008


:D:eek::(

[RICHARD]

http://news.aol.com/article/obama-teleprompter-breaks/569845?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews. aol.com%2Farticle%2Fobama-teleprompter-breaks%2F569845


Whheeeeeeeeeee! I am tittering here like a 13 year old school girl!!!!!

[lizbud]

My peeve with La Mujer del Momento, is her fracturing the english language with the wealth of education she has.




Are you serious??? I don't see how you can believe that. Give me a
direct quote or other example of SS "fracturing" the English language.
(I'm serious)

I think she speaks "Lawyer" fluently.:) and after all, she is being questioned
on matters of law?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Are you serious??? I don't see how you can believe that. Give me a
direct quote or other example of SS "fracturing" the English language.
(I'm serious)

I think she speaks "Lawyer" fluently.:) and after all, she is being questioned
on matters of law?

Pot calling the kettle black?:D:D:D

And on behalf of the majority of those living in California...you are welcome for Ms. Feinstein....that is why she keeps getting reelected.

[blue]

Pot calling the kettle black?:D:D:D

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2009/06/thats_racist_02.gif


And on behalf of the majority of those living in California...you are welcome for Ms. Feinstein....that is why she keeps getting reelected.

By the majority you mean the lefties that live in CAs largest population centers, screwwing over the rest of the state.

[RICHARD]

Are you serious??? I don't see how you can believe that. Give me a
direct quote or other example of SS "fracturing" the English language.
(I'm serious)

I think she speaks "Lawyer" fluently.:) and after all, she is being questioned
on matters of law?

The Nazi SS?


She refuses to go "rhetorical", but isn't that the whole idea of law? Going over a set of rules to protect us?

It's like those stupid laws in Podunk, California.

Let's make a rule that says, "Any person caught fishing from the open roof of a vehicle traveling over a bridge shall be subject to 250 dollar fine and/or 30 days in jail."

Let's pretend something is going to happen, so we need to make a law IN CASE SOMETHING DOES HAPPENS!!!

I've talked to lawyers.

You have to get them drunk and slurring before you can really tell if they are serious.:confused::(

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Do I have to go back over hours of stunned people speaking, IT's there, trust me.:rolleyes::eek:

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Blue,


Now that little kid is what it's all about.

Throw a whole bunch of children into a room and they will figure how things work.

[Edwina's Secretary]

If you compare Sotomayor's “performance” to the last two, Alito and Roberts – she is doing as well as they did -- a bland performance from all three. It is a grueling process that I could not tolerate. I give anyone who can get through it without lunging over the table and shaking the stuffing out of a few senators a great deal of credit.

I hate the grandstanding of both parties in the process and my admiration for her has grown as she has graciously and judiciously withstood the assault. I liked the spunk that Ginsberg showed in her responses and would like to see more of that in Sotomayor. But then Ginsberg did not have to be wary of the shibboleth of “fiery Latina”.

[lizbud]

I liked the spunk that Ginsberg showed in her responses and would like to see more of that in Sotomayor. But then Ginsberg did not have to be wary of the shibboleth of “fiery Latina”.



I secretly think those old white men on the panel would have their
boxers in a knot over any "wise women "who dared think they were the
equal (if not better) than them. Then you add "Latina" to the mix
and they sputter in rage at the thought.:D

[RICHARD]

I secretly think those old white men on the panel would have their
boxers in a knot over any "wise women "who dared think they were the
equal (if not better) than them. Then you add "Latina" to the mix
and they sputter in rage at the thought.:D

What about a semi skilled white woman?
SP maybe?:D


I find your 'boxers in a knot' comment offensive and ask that you apologize.
Barbara Boxer is MY senator and I have to get her back, only because she's from Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah!;):D


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Um, Mr. prez?

I am one of the naysayers you mentioned today.

Pay attention.....I'll speak slowly.


I want HCR, If it takes a few years and is done well, I have no problems with that. MY concern is you spending money on BS reform, just to shut the detractors up. Reform starts small, otherwise you have to reform the reform later on.

[blue]

Assault on Sotomayor? The softballs they are lobbing at her hardly classify as an assault. Has she actually answered any of the questions, or has she talked her way around all of them? All I saw was alot of rambling non answers.

She doesnt understand the difference between self defence and vigilantism, her rulings on the Second Amendment show she doesnt have a clue what a Federal Right is. She made a sexist, racist comment a few years ago that she stands by today. A discrimination case she ruled on is heading the the SCOTUS, the rambling and stammering about that would drive anybody nuts. She couldnt or wouldnt answer questions about abortion.

I guess I shouldnt be suprised some people would be easily impressed.

What the heck is Franken doing on the pannel anyway? Why are they even having a confirmation hearing for that matter, are they just going through the motions?


ETA: SCOTUS Justice Clarence Thomas got raked over the coals by the media, the same media that is dismissing and ignoring anything negative about Mrs Sotomayor. Is it OK to question the character of a Black Justice but not OK to question the charcter of a Hispanic Justice? Is it possible the media is pandering to the POTUS and hispandering to a racial group for ratings?


shibboleth
shib⋅bo⋅leth [shib-uh-lith, ‑leth]
a common saying or belief with little current meaning or truth.

[blue]

http://news.aol.com/article/obama-teleprompter-breaks/569845?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews. aol.com%2Farticle%2Fobama-teleprompter-breaks%2F569845


Whheeeeeeeeeee! I am tittering here like a 13 year old school girl!!!!!

TOTUS down!! TOTUS down!!!

Titter away my friend.

[RICHARD]

TOTUS down!! TOTUS down!!!

Titter away my friend.


http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/primeinc_2055_9158772

"We have implemented security measures around TOTUS, Repeat, we have implemented security measures around TOTUS!"

Radio traffic around the WH press area.....



Still tittering.....Could I do that on a cellphone?:D;)

[Grace]

Check out This Link (http://www.newser.com/article/d99fda400/how-sotomayors-comments-at-her-confirmation-hearing-compare-with-roberts-alito.html) - see how very much they think alike.

After reading it, I figured they all had the same speech writer http://bestsmileys.com/writer/1.gif

[Edwina's Secretary]

Check out This Link (http://www.newser.com/article/d99fda400/how-sotomayors-comments-at-her-confirmation-hearing-compare-with-roberts-alito.html) - see how very much they think alike.

After reading it, I figured they all had the same speech writer http://bestsmileys.com/writer/1.gif

Yes, bland, bland and bland.

Jon Stewart's July 14 show has a great bit on the hearings. Especially the "Moment of Zen" with the two boys fast asleep!

Oh! The banality of it....

[RICHARD]

Still tittering.....Could I do that on a cellphone?:D;)

Tried it, didn't work.

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BO investing in new water technology for the U.S. and the world.


Barack Obama is looking for investments to bolster the latest scientific research in the area of powdered water.

He plans to market the powdered water to the only logical place on the planet-The Middle East. "If we can begin production of powdered water on a large scale, we can open up a trade agreement with the countries that are located in the ME." Obama said. "We can then use the leverage to possibly trade for oil or reduce the cost of buying petroleum products from the area. Who doesn't like a fresh glass of water while they are stumbling around in the desert?"

[blue]

So now the brilliant nominee is shown as what she is, just as banal as Shrubco's picks. No wonder they are throwing her softball questions to ramble through.


Oh! The banality of it....

[RICHARD]

So now the brilliant nominee is shown as what she is, just as banal as Shrubco's picks. No wonder they are throwing her softball questions to ramble through.

Well, they had to throw softball questions.

BO was pitching the game of his life at the All-Star Game.:confused::o

They pulled him after the first pitch because of his jeans.:rolleyes:

[blue]

Well, they had to throw softball questions.

BO was pitching the game of his life at the All-Star Game.:confused::o

They pulled him after the first pitch because of his jeans.:rolleyes:

I thought they pulled him for allmost bouncing the ball in front of the plate?

[blue]

So is it ironic or sad that a proffessional comedian is now a senator?

[Grace]

So is it ironic or sad that a proffessional comedian is now a senator?

No better, nor worse, than a song-and-dance man as Senator (George Murphy, R-Ca.).

[RICHARD]

No better, nor worse, than a song-and-dance man as Senator (George Murphy, R-Ca.).

Or the three female stooges from Cah Lee Fuh Nee ah?

:D


I could see them slapping each other around while they went thru menopause.

Street rat craaaazeeee!

[Edwina's Secretary]

No better, nor worse, than a song-and-dance man as Senator (George Murphy, R-Ca.).

California has had two governors who were "B" movie actors. One went on to be what some consider a good president.

I do not know what is the "right" or "wrong" former occupation for a politician. Sarah Palin was a sports reporter, right?

Al Franken is a Havard graduate and author in addition to be a comedy writer and performer. I know....I have all his books....;);):D

[blue]

No better, nor worse, than a song-and-dance man as Senator (George Murphy, R-Ca.).

Not to mention, he was also a tool maker, a miner, a real estate agent, chairman of the CA Republican Comittee, and president of SAG. Ild say that makes Mr Murphy far better then a comedian/comentator.

[Grace]

Not to mention, he was also a tool maker, a miner, a real estate agent, chairman of the CA Republican Comittee, and president of SAG. Ild say that makes Mr Murphy far better then a comedian/comentator.

Maybe yes; maybe no. Guess we will have to wait and see how Senator Franken's term plays out.

BTW, Mr. Franken is also an author, and USO volunteer. Earlier this year, he was presented with the USO's Merit Award for his 10 years of service to the organization through visiting injured and deployed service members.

[lizbud]

Excellent article on Palin. This pretty well sums it up.




John McNamara Writer and Producer
July 15, 2009 01:31 PM


Palin: Idiot? Genius? Or Something Else?



She's too cunning to be labeled stupid.

She doesn't read, write or speak well enough to be called intelligent.

She loves the camera and the camera loves her right back.

She has the ability to constantly surprise and unsettle -- kind of like a stalker, appearing at odd hours on the door step with a tray of "I'm sorry I set your desk on fire but I love you" cupcakes, smilingly oblivious to the restraining order.

So let's add it up:

Not a moron.

But not smart.

Charismatic.

Determined.

Full of surprises.

What does it all mean?

Cary Grant had a theory. A career is like a crowded bus. When your ride is up, you get off and someone else gets on, taking your place. Not another you, necessarily but a younger, fresher someone who fills a similar space. You could argue that just as Cary Grant stepped down onto the curb, Tom Hanks grabbed the rail, so that older affable, shrewd, enduring, iconic star with a gigantic appeal and talent to match gracefully made way for the next generation of same.

I think there's a lot of truth to what we'll call The Cary Grant Theorem and it's borne out by the two biggest cable news cycle events of the last 30 days:

Michael Jackson got off the bus.

And Sarah Palin grabbed his seat, probably knocking a few old ladies like Ann Coulter and Newt Gingrich out of the way.

Because like Michael Jackson, Sarah Palin, more than anything else, is a weirdo.

Is she Jackson-level weird? Not yet. But Michael Jackson was famous for forty years. She hasn't even been famous eleven months. And she's plenty weird already. Which is kind of an achievement in itself. I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone in the public eye who's shot this high, this fast, starting out a little odd and then, in mid-ascent, before all eyes, blossomed like a display of Fourth of July fireworks into a bursting full tilt, hi-def, fruit loop weird-plosion.

Michael Jackson's music stopped entertaining us long ago. His fame was his life, his life was bizarre and the arc of that life was on a downward trajectory. But he blazed as he fell. And we all watched. He played his part, we played ours. He needed to be looked at with awed eyes and open mouths.

Palin, arching upward now, has the exact same need. She does not have the need to identify and fix problems. She does not have the ability to think of others outside her enabling, tight circle.

She certainly does not have the capacity or character to lead.

Based on her having resigned from two of the most important posts she's held in her political career, day to day governance bores and annoys her.

What she has is the need to amass power.

Sarah Palin seeks fame in order to make more fame then live on that fame, then hunt down more fame still, then live inside fame, until fame finally consumes her.

Sarah Palin will dominate the public stage for as long as she wants to. She may never be at the center of it but she will be a loud, bright, ongoing side show for a long, long time.

We need to keep her happy and far, far away from any real power.

The idea of electing her to an office that has an American eagle on the carpet and a view of a rose garden is as frightening to imagine as going back in time to an alternate universe in 1992 -- where the ribbon is being cut on The Micheal Jackson Cuddle 'N Tickle Day Care Center.

Like Jackson's desire to play peek a boo with six-year-olds, Palin's desire to become a world leader should create waves of genuine panic then a constant storm of jokes, to be rained down upon her hourly, forever.

These jokes are crucial to nullifying her. She has no sense of humor and she actually takes them personally then engages in battles with TV hosts and comedians. Her inability to let the tiniest critique roll off her back could save us from that Judgment Day missile launch her fervent little Book of Revelations heart may desire.

Palin jokes are like Ali's rope-a-dope strategy with Foreman -- drive her crazy (well, -er), tire her out, taunt her to her feet, repeat, keeping her in the fight and well away from actual decisions.

In other words, Man's Only Hope could be David Letterman.

In the meantime, watch her.

Watch the drive, the focus, the paranoia, and most of all that little extra something you catch in the smile, glimpse in the high voice or the rambling, self-justifying speeches that seem like alien messages from another planet being beamed into her head, all of it adding up to a dominant trait only Michael Jackson showcased with the same hungry pride:

Weirdness heard the world over; weirdness that will live forever and, most disturbingly, weirdness that will attract, amass and empower the even-weirder.

Call it The Corey Feldman Theorem.

[blue]

Excellent article on Palin. This pretty well sums it up.

Schadenfreude.

[Grace]

Not to mention, he was also a tool maker, a miner, a real estate agent, chairman of the CA Republican Comittee, and president of SAG. Ild say that makes Mr Murphy far better then a comedian/comentator.

These are the only requirements for the office of United States Senator that are specified in Article I, Section 3 of the U. S. Constitution.

Individuals must be:

* at least 30 years old.

* a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

* a resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

No mention of previous job experience, no Law degree required, not even a mention of education.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Liz - that reminds me of one of my favorite scenes in Fiddler on the Roof. The townspeople asked the wise old rabbi - "Rabbi - you say there is a blessing for everything, what is the blessing for the Czar?" The rabbi replied - "God bless and keep the Czar - far away from us."

I wish Ms. Palin every good thing possible in life. Bless her and keep her....far away from us!:D:D

p.s. Oh Grace...there you go with that pesky Constitution again! ;-)

[Puckstop31]

p.s. Oh Grace...there you go with that pesky Constitution again! ;-)


I'm tucking this little gem away.


Funny stuff, you saying this.

[RICHARD]

Obama Idiot? Genius? Or Something Else?



He's too cunning to be labeled stupid.

He doesn't read, write or speak well enough to be called intelligent.

He loves the camera and the camera loves her right back.

He has the ability to constantly surprise and unsettle -- kind of like a stalker, appearing at odd hours on the door step with a tray of "I'm sorry I set your desk on fire but I love you" cupcakes, smilingly oblivious to the restraining order.

So let's add it up:

Not a moron.

But not smart.

Charismatic.

Determined.

Full of surprises.

What does it all mean?

.

You can change the persuasion of the person being written about and it comes to the same conclusion.


Most politicians come from the same cloth. The cloth that covers the seat of my pants.


I call it the CYA theorum.

[blue]

These are the only requirements for the office of United States Senator that are specified in Article I, Section 3 of the U. S. Constitution.

Individuals must be:

* at least 30 years old.

* a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

* a resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

No mention of previous job experience, no Law degree required, not even a mention of education.

I made no comment on requirements to be a representative.

[Grace]

I made no comment on requirements to be a representative.

That's correct, you didn't. However you listed all the positions Senator Murphy had held, as if to imply he was better qualified because of his work history. Not one of those positions matter a whit to the Constitution.

[Grace]

Glenn Beck having a meltdown. Warning - Mr. Beck totally loses it, and is loud.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C_dEIqSaV4

[Edwina's Secretary]

Wow...what a whack job! Is he the guy who cries or something on tv?

[Grace]

Wow...what a whack job! Is he the guy who cries or something on tv?

The very one. He has a TV show, on FOX, and a radio show, also.

[blue]

That's correct, you didn't. However you listed all the positions Senator Murphy had held, as if to imply he was better qualified because of his work history. Not one of those positions matter a whit to the Constitution.

I in no way mentioned or implied that Mr Franken was either fit or unqualified to hold public office.

You tried to minimise, and possibly insult, Mr Murphy's accomplishments by calling him a "song and dance man" when he was clearly much more. Where as Mr Franken is first and fore most a very talented satirical comedian, comentator, and writer. Ild include politician to that list but Ill wait and see how his satire helps his new career. I do have to commend Franken for his work with the USO over the last 10 years.

[Grace]

You tried to minimise, and possibly insult, Mr Murphy's accomplishments by calling him a "song and dance man" when he was clearly much more. Where as Mr Franken is first and fore most a very talented satirical comedian, comentator, and writer. Ild include politician to that list but Ill wait and see how his satire helps his new career. I do have to commend Franken for his work with the USO over the last 10 years.

Where did I say that being a song-and-dance man was a bad thing?

You asked the question whether it was sad or ironic that a comedian is now a senator - (I would consider that to be just as minimizing/insulting as you seem to imply I have been toward Senator Murphy).

[blue]

Glenn Beck having a meltdown. Warning - Mr. Beck totally loses it, and is loud.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C_dEIqSaV4

Thats pretty typical for Beck when people call in and read off talking points but lack any real information.

Anybody else notice that the uploader of the audio was www.typicalnegroes.com?

If you want really good melt downs listen to Ed Schultz.

[blue]

Where did I say that being a song-and-dance man was a bad thing?

You asked the question whether it was sad or ironic that a comedian is now a senator - (I would consider that to be just as minimizing/insulting as you seem to imply I have been toward Senator Murphy).

You didnt answer the question though, you redirected then like you are redirecting now.

ETA: TO answer my own question I think its ironic as most politicians are a joke, and Franken might actually do a better job then most of them.

Jello Biafra once ran against Quentin Kopp.


His platform included unconventional points such as forcing businessmen to wear clown suits within city limits, erecting statues of Dan White all over town and allowing the parks department to sell eggs and tomatoes with which people could pelt them, and a citywide ban on cars (although the latter point was not considered abnormal by many voters at the time, as the city was suffering from serious pollution problems). Biafra has expressed irritation that these parts of his platform attained such notoriety, preferring instead to be remembered for serious proposals such as legalizing squatting in vacant, tax-delinquent buildings and requiring police officers to keep their jobs by running for election voted on by the people of the neighborhoods they patrol.

[RICHARD]

Jello Biafra once ran against Quentin Kopp.



DUDE!

Jello Biafra!!!!!!! I hadn't thought of him in years!:D:)

Thanks!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Senator Lindsay Graham apologized to a candidate for the Supreme Court.

For what?...for the pain of being called out for membership in what could be perceived as a racist organization. Apologized to him and his family for enduring such a thing.

Was it Sonia Sotomayor?

Of course not....it was Samuel Alito.

Now that is irony!

You can see it on the July 16 Jon Stewart Daily Show.

[blue]

DUDE!

Jello Biafra!!!!!!! I hadn't thought of him in years!:D:)

Thanks!

I think of him every time I hear the name Diane Fienstien.

[Grace]

You didnt answer the question though, you redirected then like you are redirecting now.



Question: So is it ironic or sad that a proffessional comedian is now a senator?

Answer: No better, nor worse, than a song-and-dance man as Senator (George Murphy, R-Ca.).
Edit/Delete Message

[blue]

Question: So is it ironic or sad that a proffessional comedian is now a senator?

Answer: No better, nor worse, than a song-and-dance man as Senator (George Murphy, R-Ca.).
Edit/Delete Message

There where 2 choices in my question, you choose to redirect instead of answering. I didnt ask if it was better or worse that a comedian was a senator now did I?

Now this leads me to wonder if Mr Franken is the first proffessional comedian to hold a seat as a representative?

[RICHARD]

OH, I am cracking up here.


I had never heard of George Murphy. He's dead 12 years and had such an impact on CA politics people have forgotten him.:(


Seriously, Sonny Bono is rolling around in his grave tonight, both of you forgot about him.Toss out a novena or a chant or whatever you all do to purge your souls - he's not here to defend himself....:eek::)


Is Jello still with us?:D

[blue]

Senator Lindsay Graham apologized to a candidate for the Supreme Court.

For what?...for the pain of being called out for membership in what could be perceived as a racist organization. Apologized to him and his family for enduring such a thing.

Was it Sonia Sotomayor?

Of course not....it was Samuel Alito.

Now that is irony!

You can see it on the July 16 Jon Stewart Daily Show.

Proof that people take the Daily Show seriously.

[blue]

OH, I am cracking up here.


I had never heard of George Murphy. He's dead 12 years and had such an impact on CA politics people have forgotten him.:(


Seriously, Sonny Bono is rolling around in his grave tonight, both of you forgot about him.Toss out a novena or a chant or whatever you all do to purge your souls - he's not here to defend himself....:eek::)


Is Jello still with us?:D

Sonny must have actually done something the lefties liked otherwise he would be trashed along with Mr Murphy.

Yes Jello is still with us, I think he might still be doing spoken word tours.

[Grace]

If she's been restrained up 'til now, I wonder what we can expect next week :)



Palin set to let the tweets 'fly'
Posted: 06:01 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

(CNN) — Sarah Palin says she's ready to be unleashed.

The Alaska governor, who is set to resign her post at the end of this month, took to the social networking site Twitter Friday to proclaim she's looking forward to being a little less restrained.

"10 dys til less politically correct twitters fly frm my fingertps outside State site," Palin declared.

"I'll stay in touch w/whomever wants via personal twtr site; launch July 26," she also tweeted.

The former GOP vice presidential candidate announced earlier this month she would step down at the end of July instead of serving out the remaining year and a half of her term.

Palin later told reporters she intends to spend her days out of the governor's mansion traveling the country in support of candidates — Republican or Democrat — whose ideas she agrees with.


source (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

[blue]

If she's been restrained up 'til now, I wonder what we can expect next week :)




source (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

Schadenfreude.

Yall dont want her to go away, and you keep proving it over and over again.

[RICHARD]

I have to say this and I didn't want to ruin the tribute to Cronkite...


I have not turned on the tube for most of the afternoon, but I can bet you THAT EVERYONE on the tube will say that WC "inspired them to become or persue a broadcasting career"


I say BS to all of them, From Rush to Keith to Glenn to rachel.


If all you all eff ups had half the class he had in his toenail, you all would give up your jobs yesterday.

Don't bring the poor dude down to you crappy idea of news broadcasting.


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Oh, YOu will see poor WC in a flak vest and one hand on his helmet and the other carrying the microphone in the mud of Viet Nam.

While being bombed.

That's a journalist.

[blue]

Debt Road Trip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc).

[Edwina's Secretary]

If she's been restrained up 'til now, I wonder what we can expect next week :)




source (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

With any luck...her 15 minutes are up! Fingers and paws crossed!;););)

[blue]

With any luck...her 15 minutes are up! Fingers and paws crossed!;););)

Because Im lazy....


Schadenfreude.

Yall dont want her to go away, and you keep proving it over and over again.

[RICHARD]

Because Im lazy....


Schadenfreude.

Yall dont want her to go away, and you keep proving it over and over again.

Andy Warhol is rolling around in his grave.......

The Left can't tell time, or figure out what to use on leather shoes.

Shinola or ????:D

[blue]

I have not turned on the tube for most of the afternoon, but I can bet you THAT EVERYONE on the tube will say that WC "inspired them to become or persue a broadcasting career"

I wont take that bet, but offer this one....


I bet that every journalist that cried over OHB's presidential win, will remain dry eyed over the passing of a great news caster who knew how to be impartial.

[Grace]

Frank Rich, (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/opinion/19rich.html) anyone. I always enjoy his Sunday opinion pieces in the NY Times.

This one is especially good.

[blue]

Frank Rich, (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/opinion/19rich.html) anyone. I always enjoy his Sunday opinion pieces in the NY Times.

This one is especially good.

I could have writen that op-ed in 5 words without the diatribe and hate, "Sotomayor confirmation hearing, snore fest".

[blue]

The stimulus plan must be working.


Award Overview
Agency Name Department of Agriculture Project Location LOS ANGELES
Contract Number AG3J14120297196 Project Location - State CA
Funding Amount $1,191,200 Project Location - Zip Code 90058-1800
Completion Date 2009-06-30 Congressional District CA-34

Description of Work/Service performed
2 POUND FROZEN HAM SLICED

Link (http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/c...ils&primeid=27).


For those concerned about stimulus spending, the General Services Administration sends word tonight that $18 million in additional funds are being spent to redesign the Recovery.gov Web site....

The contract calls for spending $9.5 million through January, and as much as $18 million through 2014, according to the GSA press release....

Full text, link (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html).

[RICHARD]

The stimulus plan must be working.



Link (http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/c...ils&primeid=27).



Full text, link (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html).

Now, If it was BACON, you'd not have a problem with the costs involved?;)


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Grace,

Why do you have to flaunt the time zone thing? YOU have a few hours of clarity to read, digest and post articles.

I wake up early every morning and have to kickstart the old brain-you have a head start. Go easy on us Left Coasters?

Please?:eek::)

[Grace]

Grace,

Why do you have to flaunt the time zone thing? YOU have a few hours of clarity to read, digest and post articles.

I wake up early every morning and have to kickstart the old brain-you have a head start. Go easy on us Left Coasters?

Please?:eek::)

Oh Sweetie, that was available on the Times website before I went to bed last night. That means it was also available to you, before you went to bed. Remember you get to stay up several hours later than I do ;)

[RICHARD]

Oh Sweetie, that was available on the Times website before I went to bed last night. That means it was also available to you, before you went to bed. Remember you get to stay up several hours later than I do ;)

LOL,

I'll never win with you!

I'll peruse the web more often, later on!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Great read Grace....this is my favorite line...


Coburn maintains that he has immunity from testifying in any Ensign inquiry because he counseled Ensign as “a physician” and an “ordained deacon.” Coburn is an obstetrician and gynecologist, but never mind.

That is a LOL!

[lizbud]

Frank Rich, (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/opinion/19rich.html) anyone. I always enjoy his Sunday opinion pieces in the NY Times.

This one is especially good.


Thank you for posting the article. I loved it.:)


p.s. Here one that I found interesting too. The author is a frequent guest on some MSNBC shows I watch.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/452587/sotomayor_and_the_politics_of_public_humiliation

[RICHARD]

Thank you for posting the article. I loved it.:)


p.s. Here one that I found interesting too. The author is a frequent guest on some MSNBC shows I watch.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/452587/sotomayor_and_the_politics_of_public_humiliation

MSNBC just had Elliot Spitzer on. I wonder what he thinks about political humiliation, effing moron.

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Back to the article?


I refuse to believe that the author can compare a black woman walking thru a cordon of white people yelling and screaming-and very well threatening her with bodily harm - to some hack judge who doesn't show any emotion while she's being grilled by some idiot senators.

(I have to tell the joke from Red Eye now.....How many senators can fit up the rear of a Supreme Court nominee?)


As some of the people have posted, thre is no comparison.

Eckford walked the gaunlet with little protection from the crowd. How dangerous was her walk to get a little education? Do you think that SS was subjected to the same kind of animosity on her walk to a higher paying job?

EFF NO. She'll ride into that position on Eckford's coattailsand fear.

That is one of the problems with the bleeding heart bloggers who try to find a common link to people who really were the leading edge of the civil rights/EO fight.

As an American of Mex descent, I find that her touted as the First Latina SCJ a laugh. She's going to be a judge, so what?

Why does her 'latina-ness' have to be an issue?

To use the 'peeing puppy' analogy again?

She'll be welcomed into the fold by the 'peeing puppy faction'.

The PPF is the small dog that greets you at the door and is so happy to see you it pees on the floor and all over your shoes. IT does not care about anything thing else other than the fact that you are there. The media and politicians really don't care about this woman and her qualifications, they just want to be seen as the champions of women and race.

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DO we really want a person that shows no emotion as a SCJ? A wet pile of newspaper also has the same persona, so why not nominate that? I would rather see some passion, not a person who hides who they really are.

It's like that new BF/GF you think is really cool, until they show up at your house at three a.m. in the morning, asking why you haven't called them in the past 6 hours.

Nice at first, but effing creepy when you get to know them!:eek:

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Last week a young black gal became the first "Black Woman to solo/fly across the U.S."

What about the "youngest white boy to circumnavigate the world in a sailboat" from last week?

The more we "color" the world of news,the more obvious our 'racism' becomes apparent.

It looks worse in "hi-def".:eek:

[Edwina's Secretary]

Damned if you ....damned if you don't....

Sotomayor was grilled ....are you a hothead? Do you have a short temper? Are you emotional (man speak for have an opinion that is different from mine...)?

Now we get....
A wet pile of newspaper also has the same persona, so why not nominate that? I would rather see some passion, not a person who hides who they really are.


So if she expressed emotional she is a hothead...if she doesn't she has the same persona as a wet pile of newspapers!

Some people just LOOK for reasons to knock others!

[lizbud]

MSNBC just had Elliot Spitzer on. I wonder what he thinks about political humiliation, effing moron.

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Back to the article?


I refuse to believe that the author can compare a black woman walking thru a cordon of white people yelling and screaming-and very well threatening her with bodily harm - to some hack judge who doesn't show any emotion while she's being grilled by some idiot senators.

(I have to tell the joke from Red Eye now.....How many senators can fit up the rear of a Supreme Court nominee?)


As some of the people have posted, thre is no comparison.

Eckford walked the gaunlet with little protection from the crowd. How dangerous was her walk to get a little education? Do you think that SS was subjected to the same kind of animosity on her walk to a higher paying job?

EFF NO. She'll ride into that position on Eckford's coattailsand fear.

That is one of the problems with the bleeding heart bloggers who try to find a common link to people who really were the leading edge of the civil rights/EO fight.

As an American of Mex descent, I find that her touted as the First Latina SCJ a laugh. She's going to be a judge, so what?

Why does her 'latina-ness' have to be an issue?

To use the 'peeing puppy' analogy again?

She'll be welcomed into the fold by the 'peeing puppy faction'.

The PPF is the small dog that greets you at the door and is so happy to see you it pees on the floor and all over your shoes. IT does not care about anything thing else other than the fact that you are there. The media and politicians really don't care about this woman and her qualifications, they just want to be seen as the champions of women and race.

----------------------

DO we really want a person that shows no emotion as a SCJ? A wet pile of newspaper also has the same persona, so why not nominate that? I would rather see some passion, not a person who hides who they really are.

It's like that new BF/GF you think is really cool, until they show up at your house at three a.m. in the morning, asking why you haven't called them in the past 6 hours.

Nice at first, but effing creepy when you get to know them!:eek:

----------------------


Last week a young black gal became the first "Black Woman to solo/fly across the U.S."

What about the "youngest white boy to circumnavigate the world in a sailboat" from last week?

The more we "color" the world of news,the more obvious our 'racism' becomes apparent.

It looks worse in "hi-def".:eek:



Richard, I can't even begin to tell you how much I disagree with your
statements.

[RICHARD]

Richard, I can't even begin to tell you how much I disagree with your
statements.

And that is a good thing. It means that we can agree to disagree and still remain civil and courteous.

I do appreciate that.

If I said that I was entitled to my opinion because I was a 'wise Latino male' and can come up with better opinions because of my life experiences, I hope you would give me a hearty "Heigh ho Silver-god, are you full of crap!"

Why?

To believe that my "background" makes me smarter or more 'able' to figure things out-did I mention my gender?-is way too phony and elevates my sorry arse above and beyond any real life experiences I have had.

Can we play a really dishonest game?;)

Because you do not agree with my statements I am going to pick a part of my statement and say that you....

Don't like sailors.
Don't like white sailors.
Don't like men/teens.

That is patently untrue! Unless, I have you on tape saying that do indeed hate seafaring folks!:confused::D

Having people yell racial slurs at you, threatening you with bodily harm and other crap to get an education is different that wanking your way thru a cordon of arse kissing politicians is a stretch of reality.

I have had some experiences with people being 'racially insensitive'-it hasn't made me any smarter. It just reminds me how stupid people are and how stupid I would be if I walked around telling people that my heritage and testicular fortitude make me a better person that anyone else.

It would not fly for me, so why should I be star struck by some judge that wants to be a bigger judge.

If I said you misread my comments, that would be a slap in your face.

So, why should I take that from a "wise Latina woman"?

She said, she should own it.



P.S. Everyone lies during a job interview.:D

[Edwina's Secretary]

P.S. Everyone lies during a job interview.:D

There you go again...maybe you do, maybe some people do...but NOT everyone lies during a job interview.:p

[blue]

RICHARD is right. Trying to equate the softball questions fielded by Sotomayor to the risk of bodily harm, and possibly death that Mrs Eckford faced is insulting to Mrs Eckford and the equal rights movment, Rev Martin Luther King Jr would be outraged. Mrs Sotomayor "herself deplores metaphor and analogy", yet the writer of the op-ed Liz linked not only ran with it but expounded on it even dissing Clarence Thomas while she was at it. To call what Sotomayor recieved by the commitee a grilling is an insult to sandwiches.

The person who brought race and sex into the confirmation hearing was Mrs Sotomayor by repeating and standing by her wise latina statement. Ginsburg and O'Connor would repeat the line "at the end of the day, a wise old man and a wise old woman reach the same judgment", I dont see any sexism or racism in that quote.

I wouldnt wouldnt say she has the same persona as a wet pile of newspapers, but I get RICHARDs point.

We finaly get a minority, a relatively young one as well, as the POTUS and he makes appointments based on race and sex, not character.


Are you emotional (man speak for have an opinion that is different from mine...)?

Are you sexist (equal rights speak to a sexist question)?


Some people just LOOK for reasons to knock others!

Your posts about Sarah Palin are very good examples of this type of behavior.

[RICHARD]

Hillary, doll?

Are we to blame for all the global warming?

I like Kool-Aid on a hot day, but you are apologizing to the world because you THINK we are the bad guys in the Global Warming problem?

You didn't hook up with Al Gore to get even with Bill, didja?:eek::o:mad::rolleyes::confused:

[blue]

Are we to blame for all the global warming?

Al Gore may not have invented the internet, but he sure invented global warming.

[blue]

There you go again...maybe you do, maybe some people do...but NOT everyone lies during a job interview.:p

The exceptions prove the rule.

[Grace]

Interesting article from the N.Y. Times -


July 21, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist

Liberal Suicide March
By DAVID BROOKS

It was interesting to watch the Republican Party lose touch with America. You had a party led by conservative Southerners who neither understood nor sympathized with moderates or representatives from swing districts.

They brought in pollsters to their party conferences to persuade their members that the country was fervently behind them. They were supported by their interest groups and cheered on by their activists and the partisan press. They spent federal money in an effort to buy support but ended up disgusting the country instead.

It’s not that interesting to watch the Democrats lose touch with America. That’s because the plotline is exactly the same. The party is led by insular liberals from big cities and the coasts, who neither understand nor sympathize with moderates. They have their own cherry-picking pollsters, their own media and activist cocoon, their own plans to lavishly spend borrowed money to buy votes.

This ideological overreach won’t be any more successful than the last one. A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Monday confirms what other polls have found. Most Americans love Barack Obama personally, but support for Democratic policies is already sliding fast.

Approval of Obama’s handling of health care, for example, has slid from 57 percent to 49 percent since April. Disapproval has risen from 29 percent to 44 percent. As recently as June, voters earning more than $50,000 preferred Obama to the Republicans on health care by a 21-point margin. Now those voters are evenly split.

Most independents now disapprove of Obama’s health care strategy. In March, only 32 percent of Americans thought Obama was an old-style, tax-and-spend liberal. Now 43 percent do.

We’re only in the early stages of the liberal suicide march, but there already have been three phases. First, there was the stimulus package. You would have thought that a stimulus package would be designed to fight unemployment and stimulate the economy during a recession. But Congressional Democrats used it as a pretext to pay for $787 billion worth of pet programs with borrowed money. Only 11 percent of the money will be spent by the end of the fiscal year — a triumph of ideology over pragmatism.

Then there is the budget. Instead of allaying moderate anxieties about the deficits, the budget is expected to increase the government debt by $11 trillion between 2009 and 2019.

Finally, there is health care. Every cliché Ann Coulter throws at the Democrats is gloriously fulfilled by the Democratic health care bills. The bills do almost nothing to control health care inflation. They are modeled on the Massachusetts health reform law that is currently coming apart at the seams precisely because it doesn’t control costs. They do little to reward efficient providers and reform inefficient ones.

The House bill adds $239 billion to the federal deficit during the first 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. It would pummel small businesses with an 8 percent payroll penalty. It would jack America’s top tax rate above those in Italy and France. Top earners in New York and California would be giving more than 55 percent of earnings to one government entity or another.

Nancy Pelosi has lower approval ratings than Dick Cheney and far lower approval ratings than Sarah Palin. And yet Democrats have allowed her policy values to carry the day — this in an era in which independents dominate the electoral landscape.

Who’s going to stop this leftward surge? Months ago, it seemed as if Obama would lead a center-left coalition. Instead, he has deferred to the Old Bulls on Capitol Hill on issue after issue.

Machiavelli said a leader should be feared as well as loved. Obama is loved by the Democratic chairmen, but he is not feared. On health care, Obama has emphasized cost control. The chairmen flouted his priorities because they don’t fear him. On cap and trade, Obama campaigned against giving away pollution offsets. The chairmen wrote their bill to do precisely that because they don’t fear him. On taxes, Obama promised that top tax rates would not go above Clinton-era levels. The chairmen flouted that promise because they don’t fear him.

Last week, the administration announced a proposal to take Medicare spending decisions away from Congress and lodge the power with technocrats in the executive branch. It’s a good idea, and it might lead to real cost savings. But there’s no reason to think that it will be incorporated into the final law. The chairmen will never surrender power to an administration they can override.

That leaves matters in the hands of the Blue Dog Democrats. These brave moderates are trying to restrain the fiscal explosion. But moderates inherently lack seniority (they are from swing districts). They are usually bought off by leadership at the end of the day.

And so here we are again. Every new majority overinterprets its mandate. We’ve been here before. We’ll be here again.


David Brooks (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/opinion/21brooks.html)

[Puckstop31]

Interesting article indeed Grace. Hopefully commentary like that will help more people to realize that blind loyalty to the parties does WAY more harm than good. Neither party has any idea who "mainstream" America is anymore. The result of career politicians, living a life not even close to what we do?


On another note...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/07/22/Obama-goes-prime-time-to-pitch-healthcare/UPI-38611248259706/

My favorite part...

"White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel told The New York Times Obama intends to use the news conference as a "six-month report card," to talk about "how we rescued the economy from the worst recession" and the legislative agenda moving forward, including health care and energy legislation."


:eek: Do they REALLY believe that? Do they really think we are that stupid? In my eyes, it can be only one of two things... Either they really are that stupid, (not very likely at least not for ALL of them to be so) or things are going exactly as they planned. Either way, not good.... eh?


Things need changed... The healthcare system in the US needs fixed, we need to change our energy policy, wars need to be ended... But everybody OUTside the beltway is starting to realize that what they are and HOW they are doing things simply cannot work.

But now BOTH sides of the aisle have been duped. Time for people to put the parties by the wayside... Time for the people to get rid of these worthless, career politicans who know not and CARE not for our way of life.

[RICHARD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNFWRRaTL5I&feature=related


Again, I apologize for Baba Boxer and her ilk.

What a piece of work and as someone posted on that site, Yes, us Cah lee fuh nee ahs are effed with this witch in charge.

Notice, at the beginning of the exchange that Alford calls her 'ma'am' and this DB doesn't bother to correct him, like she corrected the General a while back.

This is the kind a-holery that we have to put up with in the Great State of ours.

Between her and Feinstein-who just got a bill prohibiting the transport of firearms across state lines- are a disgrace to many, if not all women who represent the people in their states.

Feinstein has a permit to carry a CW, yet she won't allow people in her own state to arm themselves?

What a golden crock of crap. I can hardly wait for the next elections.

I hope the people take up brooms, shovels, pitchforks and pointy sticks and get rid of both these abominations.


Morons.


-----------

I have to make an apology here.

BO was talking about a red pill/blue pill analogy, I thought he was going to bring out the woman from the first Matrix movie. I yelled at the TV before he changed tact and started to talk about the 1/2 price pill being better.


Gosh, he may have a point with his HCR talk!

[Medusa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNFWRRaTL5I&feature=related


Again, I apologize for Baba Boxer and her ilk.

What a piece of work and as someone posted on that site, Yes, us Cah lee fuh nee ahs are effed with this witch in charge.

Notice, at the beginning of the exchange that Alford calls her 'ma'am' and this DB doesn't bother to correct him, like she corrected the General a while back.

This is the kind a-holery that we have to put up with in the Great State of ours.

Between her and Feinstein-who just got a bill prohibiting the transport of firearms across state lines- are a disgrace to many, if not all women who represent the people in their states.

Feinstein has a permit to carry a CW, yet she won't allow people in her own state to arm themselves?

What a golden crock of crap. I can hardly wait for the next elections.

I hope the people take up brooms, shovels, pitchforks and pointy sticks and get rid of both these abominations.


Morons.

A hypocritical politician? Nah!

[RICHARD]

A hypocritical politician? Nah!

My dad had a wonderful weather vane.

When the the Santa Ana winds blow-When I was in Catholic school that was my favorite time of the year, those plaid skirts were really aerodynamic!- the the top would do a boogie that made me afraid that Mr. Rooster would fly off and fall to the ground.....

THAT is the way I look at most of the politicians today-with the exception of Thad McCotter-that guy is funny, smart and a pleasure to listen to.

They go with the wind, spin around when it shifts and the only truth they represent are the compass points below them.

If we have to stumble to regain a little direction for the future, I am for it.
I just cannot stand the spinning action-it makes me dizzy.;)

[blue]

Again, I apologize for Baba Boxer and her ilk.

What a piece of work and as someone posted on that site, Yes, us Cah lee fuh nee ahs are effed with this witch in charge.

Dont go riling up the misandrists again RICHARD.


Notice, at the beginning of the exchange that Alford calls her 'ma'am' and this DB doesn't bother to correct him, like she corrected the General a while back.

She decided to berate and degrade him instead.


This is the kind a-holery that we have to put up with in the Great State of ours.

You mean "Once Great State", I think.

I would have done the traditional Pirate...



This is the kind a-holery that we have to put up with in the Once Great State of ours.

Fixed it for you :D

But too many folks are easily confused/offended


Between her and Feinstein-who just got a bill prohibiting the transport of firearms across state lines- are a disgrace to many, if not all women who represent the people in their states.

Feinstein has a permit to carry a CW, yet she won't allow people in her own state to arm themselves?

Only the ultra rich and elitest politicians beleive they have the right to defend themselves. The 2nd Amendment dosent aply to the masses, just read Sotomayor's decisions on the subject.


What a golden crock of crap. I can hardly wait for the next elections.

I hope the people take up brooms, shovels, pitchforks and pointy sticks and get rid of both these abominations.


Morons.

Keep waiting and hoping. Put your hopes in one hand and **** in the other and see which hand fills up first.

We have arrived at the time of Bread and Circuses. Has Change been shoved down our throats so much that all we have left is Hope? I Hope that States that can afford to start seceding.


I have to make an apology here.

BO was talking about a red pill/blue pill analogy, I thought he was going to bring out the woman from the first Matrix movie. I yelled at the TV before he changed tact and started to talk about the 1/2 price pill being better.


Gosh, he may have a point with his HCR talk!

The .GOV is gonna start buying all of our meds from Canada?


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For all of you Cheerleaders out there, That is how you preach to the choir! None of this wimpy "Here Here", or "Amens". None of the weak kneed Sheeple response, "I couldnt agree with the OP more" BS.

[Grace]

Feinstein-who just got a bill prohibiting the transport of firearms across state lines-
Feinstein has a permit to carry a CW, yet she won't allow people in her own state to arm themselves?



Richard, that Thune Amendment was not a good one. It would have, basically, put the control of gun laws in the hands of the Federal Government. Most gun owners I know, prefer to have Washington keep hands off. Leave it up to the states.

Under the proposed amendment, all states would be required to recognize concealed carry permits from all other states, including states that grant permits without regard to criminal records. In Virginia, this would allow convicted criminals to carry weapons onto parks and playgrounds.

You can read the article HERE. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25261.html)

[blue]

Rather then muss up Medusa's thread in Cat General Ill post this here reguarding spaying humans.


President Obama's "science czar," John Holdren, once floated the idea of forced abortions, "compulsory sterilization," and the creation of a "Planetary Regime" that would oversee human population levels and control all natural resources as a means of protecting the planet -- controversial ideas his critics say should have been brought up in his Senate confirmation hearings.

Source (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obamas-science-czar-considered-forced-abortions-sterilization-population-growth/).

[blue]

Richard, that Thune Amendment was not a good one. It would have, basically, put the control of gun laws in the hands of the Federal Government. Most gun owners I know, prefer to have Washington keep hands off. Leave it up to the states.

Under the proposed amendment, all states would be required to recognize concealed carry permits from all other states, including states that grant permits without regard to criminal records. In Virginia, this would allow convicted criminals to carry weapons onto parks and playgrounds.

You can read the article HERE. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25261.html)

Absolute garbage, and fearmongering.

[Grace]

Absolute garbage, and fearmongering.

You are entitled to your opinion, as is Mr. Davis entitled to his.

[blue]

You are entitled to your opinion, as is Mr. Davis entitled to his.


But if the Thune amendment passes, that criminal will have absolutely no problem acquiring a concealed carry permit that would allow him to avoid arrest and continue selling guns illegally on the streets

How would a CCW lisence allow a criminal to continue to sell firearms illegaly?

What states allow a violent criminal to obtain a CCW? None that I know of.

A friend of mine has a misdemeaner in AK and is forbiden from owning a firearm. So maybe Mr. Davis can explain to me how a man who cant own a firearm can have a CCW?

I wont go into the fact that an Amendment has to be ratified by the States to become law.

[Grace]

I wont go into the fact that an Amendment has to be ratified by the States to become law.

This was to be an amendment to the Defense Spending Bill - NOT an amendment to the Constitution.

source (http://thune.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=26677f6a-9285-43c0-8659-f390c282867e&Month=7&Year=2009)

July 20th, 2009 - Washington, D.C. - Senator John Thune has offered a bipartisan amendment to the Defense Authorization bill (S. 1390) that would help in reducing crime by providing reciprocity for the carrying of concealed firearms. The Thune amendment (#1618) would allow individuals to carry lawfully concealed firearms across state lines, while at the same time respecting the laws of the host state.
etc., etc., etc. . . . . . .

[RICHARD]

When I go to buy a gun and give info, etc. who OK's the purchase?

And who approves the sale of weapons between private citizens?

I probably could go around and get a gun, origin kinda sketchy, that I could theoretically carry all around the U.S. in my car, and unless I do something stupid or illegal, no one would be the wiser.

It happens all the time and to tweak a law like that is a little like the barn door closing after someone shot my cow in the pasture.

Soemthing good, like a steak, may come of it, but what protected my cow before that?

And yes, I should have fixed that door!;)

[blue]

This was to be an amendment to the Defense Spending Bill - NOT an amendment to the Constitution.

source (http://thune.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=26677f6a-9285-43c0-8659-f390c282867e&Month=7&Year=2009)

July 20th, 2009 - Washington, D.C. - Senator John Thune has offered a bipartisan amendment to the Defense Authorization bill (S. 1390) that would help in reducing crime by providing reciprocity for the carrying of concealed firearms. The Thune amendment (#1618) would allow individuals to carry lawfully concealed firearms across state lines, while at the same time respecting the laws of the host state.
etc., etc., etc. . . . . . .

I wasnt paying that close attention to the amendement in question, you are absolutely correct.

It doesnt change the realities of CCW laws.

There are only two states with unrestricted CCW laws, and in AK if you are convicted of certain misdemeaners you cannot own a firearm so you cannot have a CCW. If you are a convicted of a felony most Federal laws prohibit firearm ownership, so no CCW permits for felons even in unrestricted states.

Garbage arguement by Mr. Davis.

Maybe Karen can move this CCW discussion to the Firearms thread?

[Karen]

I cannot move individual posts from one thread to another.

[RICHARD]

11-12 a.m.

The Prez-

Health Care Blues, (2009) NEW-
The Prez (Barry Obama) tries to win back popularity points he's lost in the last few months with his health care reform program. On the heels of his press conference the night before, he goes on the road to bolster his ego and finds out that the public in Ohio is smarter than he first thought! (Comedy.)

[Grace]

11-12 a.m.

The Prez-

Health Care Blues, (2009) NEW-
The Prez (Barry Obama) tries to win back popularity points he's lost in the last few months with his health care reform program. On the heels of his press conference the night before, he goes on the road to bolster his ego and finds out that the public in Ohio is smarter than he first thought! (Comedy.)

I missed that - do you know if it will be show in re-runs ;)

[RICHARD]

I missed that - do you know if it will be show in re-runs ;)

I think I have it on tape someplace.:D

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And speaking of budget cuts?


http://www.asylum.com/2009/07/23/arnold-schwarzenegger-knife-video-makes-cuts-deep-cuts/?icid=main|main|dl7|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asylum. com%2F2009%2F07%2F23%2Farnold-schwarzenegger-knife-video-makes-cuts-deep-cuts%2F

:eek::eek:

[Grace]

I think I have it on tape someplace.:D

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And speaking of budget cuts?


http://www.asylum.com/2009/07/23/arnold-schwarzenegger-knife-video-makes-cuts-deep-cuts/?icid=main|main|dl7|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asylum. com%2F2009%2F07%2F23%2Farnold-schwarzenegger-knife-video-makes-cuts-deep-cuts%2F

:eek::eek:

I saw a bit of that clip. Wondered if he was going to commit Hari-Kiri :confused:

[blue]

What make me LOL is Ian Fortey's reaction was...


but if we learned nothing else from Dick Cheney, it's that politicians brandishing weapons only leads to awkward press conferences and paramedics.

And Grace's was...


Wondered if he was going to commit Hari-Kiri :confused:

Im loving how butthurt the local CA beaurocrats are over the buget cuts.