Politics and religion.

[RICHARD]

Richard, Richard, tsk tsk, you must expand your reading library. Try this
link to better distinguish truth from rumors. It won't hurt a bit, I promise.:)

http://www.factcheck.org/politics/sliming_pelosi.html

I didn't read too much into it, it you read the "MSNBC" disclaimer I wrote at the bottom.

[blue]

Theres a problem here.

Liz's link (http://www.factcheck.org/politics/sliming_pelosi.html) is from 01/14/09.

The MSNBC link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29616975/) is from 03/10/09 and the related Judicial Watch story (http://www.judicialwatch.org/weeklyupdate/2009/11-air-pelosi-scandal#anchor1) is from 03/13/09.

Its possible that Factcheck.org hasnt seen the documents cited by Judicial Watch. ETA: Keep in mind the JW story is part of a weekly update ending on a friday.

[lizbud]

Theres a problem here.

Liz's link (http://www.factcheck.org/politics/sliming_pelosi.html) is from 01/14/09.

The MSNBC link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29616975/) is from 03/10/09 and the related Judicial Watch story (http://www.judicialwatch.org/weeklyupdate/2009/11-air-pelosi-scandal#anchor1) is from 03/13/09.

Its possible that Factcheck.org hasnt seen the documents cited by Judicial Watch. ETA: Keep in mind the JW story is part of a weekly update ending on a friday.

Judicial Watch got it's bloomers in a knot when it finally thought they
had "the goods" on the Speaker, Palosi.:rolleyes:

Sorry , but they were wrong in their conclusions.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/03/watchdog-group.html

[RICHARD]

Judicial Watch got it's bloomers in a knot when it finally thought they
had "the goods" on the Speaker, Palosi.:rolleyes:





How could anyone get the 'good' on someone so 'bad', dumb and incompetent?:eek::o

[lizbud]

How could anyone get the 'good' on someone so 'bad', dumb and incompetent?:eek::o


Huh????:confused:

[RICHARD]

Huh????:confused:

I wrote that while I was napping.;)

[lizbud]

I wrote that while I was napping.;)



Richard, stand back from the keyboard.:p

[blue]

Judicial Watch got it's bloomers in a knot when it finally thought they
had "the goods" on the Speaker, Palosi.:rolleyes:

Sorry , but they were wrong in their conclusions.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/03/watchdog-group.html

Its funny that ABC didnt follow up with the main JW story.


In response to a series of requests for military aircraft, one Defense Department official wrote, "Any chance of politely querying [Pelosi's team] if they really intend to do all of these or are they just picking every weekend?...[T]here's no need to block every weekend 'just in case'..." The email also notes that Pelosi's office had, "a history of canceling many of their past requests."

One DOD official complained about the "hidden costs" associated with the speaker's last minute changes and cancellations. "We have...folks prepping the jets and crews driving in (not a short drive for some), cooking meals and preflighting the jets etc."

The documents include a discussion of House Ethics rules and Defense Department policies as they apply to the speaker's requests for staff, spouses and extended family to accompany her on military aircraft. In May 2008, for example, Pelosi requested that her husband join her on a Congressional Delegation (CODEL) into Iraq. The DOD explained to Pelosi that the agency has a written policy prohibiting spouses from joining CODEL's into combat zones.

Documents obtained from the U.S. Army include correspondence from Speaker Pelosi's office requesting an Army escort and three military planes to transport Pelosi and other members of Congress to Cleveland, Ohio, for the funeral services of the late Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Pelosi noted in her letter of August 22, 2008, that such a request, labeled "Operation Tribute" was an "exception to standard policy."

The documents also detail correspondence from intermediaries for Speaker Pelosi issuing demands for certain aircraft and expressing outrage when requested military planes were not available. "It is my understanding there are no G5s available for the House during the Memorial Day recess. This is totally unacceptable...The speaker will want to know where the planes are..." wrote Kay King, Director of the House Office of Interparliamentary Affairs. In a separate email, when told a certain type of aircraft would not be available, King writes, "This is not good news, and we will have some very disappointed folks, as well as a very upset [s]peaker."

During another email exchange DOD staff advised Kay King that one Pelosi military aircraft request could not be met because of "crew rest requirements" and offered to help secure commercial travel. Kay King responded: "We appreciate the efforts to help the codel [sic] fly commercially but you know the problem that creates with spouses. If we can find another way to assist with military assets, we would like to do that."

Source (http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/mar/judicial-watch-uncovers-documents-detailing-pelosis-repeated-requests-military-travel) with links to the emails, DOD documents, and letters.

[RICHARD]

Richard, stand back from the keyboard.:p

WTF,
You never have typed with your forehead?:D

LOL, I was reading about the Iditarod race in the paper and one of the mushers fell asleep on the sled and when he woke up he was lost.....


That's me!:eek::o

[lizbud]

WTF,
You never have typed with your forehead?:D




No, but I have had one of my cats post for me if I'm too busy elsewhere.;)

[Puckstop31]

No, but I have had one of my cats post for me if I'm too busy elsewhere.;)


Now THAT explains a lot.






*** Very tounge in cheek, so please take it easy.

[RICHARD]

LIz, I'll wear my motorcycle helmet when I type from now on.:D


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I saw something on the tube that made me think and get kinda melancholy.

BO was to make a stop here in the Southland. People were camping out for tickets and the news crews stopped by to interview people.

As I flipped thru the channels the interviews were in two parts, some people wanted to see him in person and the other set were there to see if they culd ask the pres about getting some of the stimulus money for themselves.

Sheesh,
This is going to be a prob for this administration. 'giving' away money is the not the answer! Most of the people who lived within their means are doing 'o.k.' considering the econ climate. The people who over extended their financial limits are the ones that are begging to be helped. This is a scary
precedent because no one is inclined to clean up their mess-they want someone else to do it for them.

That really gets me angry that we have lost the desire and drive to 'do it ourselves'.

The people who wanted a government that would butt out of our lives is getting the opposite of their wishes!:(

[Edwina's Secretary]

As I flipped thru the channels the interviews were in two parts, some people wanted to see him in person and the other set were there to see if they culd ask the pres about getting some of the stimulus money for themselves.

Sheesh,
This is going to be a prob for this administration. 'giving' away money is the not the answer! Most of the people who lived within their means are doing 'o.k.' considering the econ climate. The people who over extended their financial limits are the ones that are begging to be helped. This is a scary
precedent because no one is inclined to clean up their mess-they want someone else to do it for them.

That really gets me angry that we have lost the desire and drive to 'do it ourselves'.

The people who wanted a government that would butt out of our lives is getting the opposite of their wishes!:(


Oh come on! Some people ...who make their own mess asking for a handout....NEVER happened before?

And this new action is the result of the Bush and the Obama administrations giving money to save corporations. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

PLEASE!!! An opinion about so-called "bailouts" - fine - dislike Obama and his ideas - fine....but to say...


we have lost the desire and drive to 'do it ourselves'.

...based on the overwrought interviews with some people. That make a "good" story on the news.

....hyperbole...drama...whining...

I don't know about you...but I am still doing "it" myself and so is just about everyone I know.

So a couple of people went to the Town Hall Meeting and asked for money. I realize the media (as you so often like to point out) makes a big deal out of it.

But...I really don't think this is indicative of a general collapse in the American spirit.

[RICHARD]

I hope someone tells Barney Frank to STFU.....

I used to like him, now he is just a political buffoon, Dance, Monkey, Dance.

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I heard that AIG put some cash into BO's campaign.....They got what they paid for!

The country is on dire financial stratights and he's picking out the bracket for the NCAA basketball tournament.

lololol.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh my gosh! At the OC Town Hall Meeting some people wanted to ask Obama...boxer or briefs?

Does this mean the country has lost its way? Do we no longer care about our own underwear? And how can it be blamed on Obama??

Oh wait!...it can be blame on Barbara Boxer for having a last name that is also used for men's underwear.

Or Barney Franks for never answewring the questions as to what HE wears!

Yup...thanks to Obama, Franks and Boxer we have lost our desire and drive to mind our own underwear!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[momoffuzzyfaces]

It's a sad sad day indeed, when we think what type of underwear ANYONE wears is any of our business!!! People get a life of your own and stop trying to live through someone elses underwear choices!!! :eek: :D

[RICHARD]

I sped thru the Obama/60 minutes program on Sinday night.

Didn't really pay attention....But I saw on the news highlights the comment from Steve Kroft to BO.

"Are you punchdrunk?"

What kind of stupidity is that? If I was BO I would have answered, "Have you ever had your taxes audited thru you sphincter? Just kidding, Steve-o!"

OH, call me a hypocrite, but I would not be so stupid as to make a comment like that to the POTUS' face. MY comments are just musings from a disgruntled citizen, but SK is SUPPOSED to be a member of the media?

Give me a break.

Again, I didn't vote for the dude, but the office does deserve a little respect and I thought that the comment was one of the dumbest I have ever heard any 'talking head' make to a president.

What an moron.

[lizbud]

I sped thru the Obama/60 minutes program on Sinday night.

Didn't really pay attention....But I saw on the news highlights the comment from Steve Kroft to BO.

"Are you punchdrunk?"

What kind of stupidity is that? If I was BO I would have answered, "Have you ever had your taxes audited thru you sphincter? Just kidding, Steve-o!"

OH, call me a hypocrite, but I would not be so stupid as to make a comment like that to the POTUS' face. MY comments are just musings from a disgruntled citizen, but SK is SUPPOSED to be a member of the media?

Give me a break.

Again, I didn't vote for the dude, but the office does deserve a little respect and I thought that the comment was one of the dumbest I have ever heard any 'talking head' make to a president.

What an moron.


Well , Obama has taken a lot of hits lately, so I think it's a fair question.

Besides, it's guy talk, right?

[RICHARD]

Well , Obama has taken a lot of hits lately, so I think it's a fair question.

Besides, it's guy talk, right?

Nope, It's BS.

I could see it done off camera or as a little fun and games leading up to the interview....
I think it was Bill O that had the dictionary meaning of the word and though I cannot get into SK's head, it was a a pretty stupid thing to say....

From the Merriam Web website...

1 : suffering cerebral injury usually from many minute brain hemorrhages that is a result of repeated head blows received in boxing and is typically marked by mental confusion, incoordination, and slurred speech
2 : behaving as if punch-drunk : dazed , confused

Kinda like telling the guy, "Man, are you all there?"

Guaranteed that two 'regular' guys would have given each other the stink eye and something would have been said about someones maternal parent.

[lizbud]

Nope, It's BS.

I could see it done off camera or as a little fun and games leading up to the interview....
I think it was Bill O that had the dictionary meaning of the word and though I cannot get into SK's head, it was a a pretty stupid thing to say....

From the Merriam Web website...

1 : suffering cerebral injury usually from many minute brain hemorrhages that is a result of repeated head blows received in boxing and is typically marked by mental confusion, incoordination, and slurred speech
2 : behaving as if punch-drunk : dazed , confused

Kinda like telling the guy, "Man, are you all there?"


Guaranteed that two 'regular' guys would have given each other the stink eye and something would have been said about someones maternal parent.


I don't think Obama's ego is that fragile. This was an informal conversation.

[Edwina's Secretary]

This is fascinating. The same man who defends insulting the military of...in fact the whole nation of one of our closest allies...

...takes offense at a slang expression used in a interview that he admits he did not watch all of or watch what he did very closely.

Punchdrunk....okay..."meaning have you been hit so many times you are dizzy." Wow...I can see how that is insulting...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I would suggest actually WATCHING the entire interview instead of just picking out words.

[RICHARD]

I know BO could not have thought up of the new term for "War on Terror"- He doesn't write the teleprompter speeches.

WTF is it with these morons who think that by changing the words WOT to some simplistic wordage -it was Overseas Something Innocuous- that the world will be a better place?

A spousal abuser is still some bully that kicks their SOs arse.
Same with the 'combatants' at Gitmo-they are the enemy.

I guess the new word for presidential cabinent members should be changed to High Level Morons.:rolleyes:

[Medusa]

I know BO could not have thought up of the new term for "War on Terror"- He doesn't write the teleprompter speeches.

WTF is it with these morons who think that by changing the words WOT to some simplistic wordage -it was Overseas Something Innocuous- that the world will be a better place?

A spousal abuser is still some bully that kicks their SOs arse.
Same with the 'combatants' at Gitmo-they are the enemy.

I guess the new word for presidential cabinent members should be changed to High Level Morons.:rolleyes:

You mean kinda like garbage man is now sanitation engineer?

[RICHARD]

You mean kinda like garbage man is now sanitation engineer?

Yeah,

I think the term that's to be used, per the WH email that circulated is, "Overseas COntingency Action".

And since the reporters can call BO "punchdrunk", I'll call on him to see if the Special Olympics has a political arm, just in case.

[Medusa]

Yeah,

I think the term that's to be used, per the WH email that circulated is, "Overseas COntingency Action".

And since the reporters can call BO "punchdrunk", I'll call on him to see if the Special Olympics has a political arm, just in case.


"A rose by any other name"....and a terrorist by any other name is still a terrorist.

[lizbud]

Yeah,

I think the term that's to be used, per the WH email that circulated is, "Overseas COntingency Action".

And since the reporters can call BO "punchdrunk", I'll call on him to see if the Special Olympics has a political arm, just in case.


It's actually "Operation" not "Action"


Don't worry about Obama, he's fine.:D

[lizbud]

Speaking of words and their meaning, has the word Christian changed
it's meaning lately???? This quoted article is from from a Christian organization.:confused:



Burt Prelutsky was a TV writer a long time ago. Then he aged
out of it and became a crank. This wasn't one of those major loses like
Steinbeck. Now he writes a column for Townhall.com, the popular website owned by a Christian radio network.

Here's something from his current offering:


Take Michelle Obama...please. Every time I turn around, there she is on a magazine cover. Now, normally, like the Mafia, I lay off the spouses, but inasmuch as this particular spouse attended the same racist church as her hubby for 20 years, I'll make an exception in her case. After all, in spite of the fact that affirmative action got her an Ivy League degree and a $7,000-a-week salary and, moreover, has sent billions of dollars for no particularly good reason to Africa, she insists this is a mean country. The burning question in my circle is: if the First Family gets a female dog, will she be the First Bitch or will she have to settle for second place?
Get it? Because "bitch" had two meanings!

Ah, Christian-sponsored humor. That's not just funny. That's Jesus funny.

Weird that Burt Prelutsky doesn't work more. Because that "take my wife... please" bit is also pure dynamite. Must be ageism.

Naturally, the left-wing media is now trying to convince us that this James Brown-look-alike has all the allure, glamour and fashion sense of Jackie Kennedy.

She's not pretty, for heaven's sakes! She's black! She's a black bitch!

You can read the rest at Townhall. The Internet home of culture warriors Dennis Prager, Bill Bennett and Michael Medved.

(Who have all, by the way, written about Barack Obama's horrible, shocking association with that racist hatemonger Jeremiah Wright. Who called America an ugly black bitch. Oh wait, he didn't.)

(They've also all written columns bemoaning how angry and mean liberal humor is.)

If you read Burt Prelutsky's columns, you'll see that he isn't a racist; he just has a lot of thoughts -- I mean a lot -- about how black people should behave. If Langston Hughes had talked about black people as much at Burt Prelutsky does, someone would have told him to sit down.

Here's another Burt Prelutsky column from Townhall:

If we were a racist society, Oprah Winfrey, your fairy godmother, certainly wouldn't be a billionaire; she'd be fetching someone's mint julep. And Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice wouldn't grow up to be secretaries of state; they'd be sweeping out the stables. And Will Smith and Denzel Washington wouldn't be movie stars; they'd be in the fields picking cotton.
That's awfully big of us, letting Denzel Washington rise so high above his station. Thanks, Burt. Thanks Townhall. (Cross-posted with Stormfront.)

The executive editor of Townhall is Hugh Hewitt. His current column is about how terribly offended he was when Barack Obama made a joke about the Special Olympics:

We should hope President Obama makes more than apology. We should hope he makes good.
By getting me a julep.

Now, if there's one thing I hate worse that playing gotcha with a joke that goes wrong, it's using guilt-by-association and high dudgeon to score cheap political points. But I gotta ask:

Should we hope Hugh Hewitt apologizes for publishing sad old Burt Prelutsky?

How should he make good?

Oh, the Christian broadcasters who own Townhall, the site that says Michelle Obama is a bitch and Will Smith is lucky he's not picking cotton.

[RICHARD]

It's actually "Operation" not "Action"





Hmm, No wonder I was a c student on poli sci.


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Hey,

it was o.k. for people to talk for the last 8 years.

So why the disharmony now?

THis makes me laugh because foul mouthed radio hosts came out and called people far worse and no body gave a flying, Mach 1 crap. So now someone calls a few names and people are getting mad and blog about it,

I can see the idiots that seethe, then purge a fat pile of steamy......opinion, post it, them some other righteous idiot dissects it, posts about it and nothing is done or said.

Ohh, he called a Woman of Strength a name.

That makes all the rest of the planet Women of Weak?

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I think I'll go plug into some rap right now, Biatches!:cool:

[blue]

I think Obama could do a great service to the Special Olympics by taking the chalenge and bowling against the SP Gold Medal winner.

[RICHARD]

I think Obama could do a great service to the Special Olympics by taking the chalenge and bowling against the SP Gold Medal winner.


LOL, like a Vlad Putin style of press op?:D

Um Ah........Do you think....ahh........ummmm that the SP has a.......ummmmm
debate um team?

[Puckstop31]

Speaking of words and their meaning, has the word Christian changed
it's meaning lately???? .

Well, to answer that question we need to know what you think it means. There is no right or wrong answer either.

So, what does the word "Christian" mean to you?

[lizbud]

Well, to answer that question we need to know what you think it means.


Who is WE?

[Puckstop31]

Who is WE?

We = Christians

I am not saying you are not one, or are a good/bad one. There are, obviously, a large amount of interpretations (denominations) of Christians.

I commonly see people, especially people who are NOT Christians, say things like... "That is not very Christian of you." To which I respond, "how do you know?" LOL

So again, there is no right or wrong answer and I am not trying to pick a fight or anything... (Really, we might just have some common ground here. That is important to me if it is so.) What does being a Christian mean to you?

To me, it means simply this... Being a Christian means that you have...

1. Admitted your spiritual need. Admit you are a sinner.

2. Believe that Jesus Christ died for YOU on the cross.

3. Received Jesus Christ into your heart and life.

4. Repent and be willing to turn from your sin.


After that, live your life as the Spirit moves you. Pray for guidance and follow where that guidance (your heart) leads.

[RICHARD]

To me, it means simply this... Being a Christian means that you have...

1. Admitted your spiritual need. Admit you are a sinner.

2. Believe that Jesus Christ died for YOU on the cross.

3. Received Jesus Christ into your heart and life.

4. Repent and be willing to turn from your sin.




Can I add a few?

Picked mass over the NFL, Parked in a handicapped space and had an epiphany afterwards, Had a Mickey D's fish sandwich on a Friday during Lent and cringed when someone said, "Jesus, Mary and Dale Earnhardt Jr....."

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, there are people who ARE Christians and ones who PRETEND they are!
Jesus knows who is and who isn't!

During the last days there is to be a great falling away from the faith. The pretenders are just helping prove the Bible is right on! ;)

(so are the anti-religion groups that keep squawking about getting their little feelings hurt because someone believes in God):rolleyes:

[Marigold2]

What about the rights of people who don't believe in God?
The great Carl Sagan being one of those.
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.
Not everyone believes in a virgin birth, a man rising from the death, the bible. Satan.
If you had to explain God, Jesus and the Saints to a person who had never heard of them what would you say? How would you explain it?
A virgin birth, not possible. Rising from the dead, not possible. If a person asked you for proof what would you show them? What physical proof do we have? The bible, yes but it was written by men, great story tellers perhaps, but proof? I can't think of any physical proof, the fact that we are here can be explained by the Big Bang. But who created the Big Bang, why God of course and who created God??
Faith is something we are taught often from an early age. Our parents take us to the church of their choice and we learn that churchs beliefs.
Very few people that I know actually researched their faith their church. They go where their parents or grandparents went or they marry into it.
We take more time picking out a car then we do finding a church often.
If people were to study religion, different faiths and then as adults choose which faith, which belief and which church if any they wanted to attend I wonder how our world would be different. I wonder if people would be more understanding, more excepting and tolerant if others.
The Jewish people don't believe Jesus was the son of God, for Christians this is a must, but why? Because the church taught them.
Again what proof do we have that God is really there except for our need to know that some being will always love us, care for us, protect us, guide us. For we are truly fragil creatures. Confused, often unloved, forgotten, left to fend for ourselves. We watch our loved ones die, husbands, chidlren, friends, neighbors and we are afraid. God help us, I am ill, cure me for I don't want to die. The need of us humans to have hope to believe in a being that can cause a miracle is truly what is behind many peoples need to pray and for a God. For we know that life is short and perhaps we cannot bare the thought of it ending forever. Death, dead gone that's it. No heaven, no hell just totally gone. As humans we are too self-centered to believe that. We need to believe that life will go on somehow, we will go to heaven, it can't just end, it can't. 5000 years ago the Egyptians felt the same way. They had never heard of Jesus of course but that did not stop them from praying to the sun, moon and countless other Gods. They built the Pryamids to house the dead to travel to the afterlife. Again that human need to live on. I believe that fear makes us want, need to believe in an afterlife. It did 5000 years ago and I don't think much has changed, we fear death just as much. We just pray to a different God now.
Being a good person, decent, kind, honest, hardworking, loving,f orgiving, excepting has nothing to do with a person's faith. We find these people in all places on the earth and in all houses of worship on the same side we find evil, hurt, lust, greed, murder in all places on this earth and all houses of worship. No religion that I know of teaches us to be evil, they all teach goodness and love. It's just to what extreme you are willing to take it and what rights you want to take away from another because yours are correct and their's are not. In the middle east they are willing to strap a bomb to themselves to prove their point, hard to understand but I guess that is how they read their bible, don't know. Again if people had to study religion, all different faiths and decide based on logic what made sense to them. Would the world be a better place? Would they still believe in God or in just a higher being?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

You have every right to not believe in God or in anything for that matter. If it pleases you to believe you came from an ape, well go for it. If you prefer to believe in nothing with no hope for eternity, well, that's your right too. And the big bang? So, where did the things that came together to make the big bang come from? The elements had to have been created somehow by something or someone.

BUT you DO NOT have the right to keep me from worshiping my God just because you don't like it.

You may think Car Sagan was great but he is not even a pimple in the course of my life.

I know for a fact that there is life after death so don't even try that one on me. Just several things that have happened in my life that I don't care to share with the world but that happened none the less.

[Marigold2]

Actually I do believe in God and was brought up in the church, life after death, I can't bare to think of not seeing my mom in heaven. That said.........
This is America and people have the right to be free of religion and still be thought of as good people.
Easter the most holy of the holidays keeps changing. What day did Christ raise from the dead, no one seems to really know? So how can we be sure it happened?
As to who created the big bang well who created God?
If you are explaining your belief to a non-believer, if they want to truly know, truly understand your faith and why we believe this way what proof can you show them? Is there one piece of evidence one solid fact one scrap of physical proof or anything that we could show a person and say LOOK here it is, here is proof that this man was not just a good person but truly a God. Is there one? Anywhere???
If your parents were Jewish or Amish or Budda and you were brought up in that faith, would your belief be as strong? Probably for it is what you were taught and what the people around you believed. We see our parents in their strong belief and they teach us that this is correct so of course we believe, why would they lie to us? So I ask again what proof do you have that a man can rise from the dead, that a virgin birth can occur that all these miracles happened? You have the bible and heresay. That is what faith is. It's the blind, unproven belief deep in your soul that you hope is correct taught by others that believed the same way. It is not based on any fact, unless I missed something. So when a child asks is Jesus real, show me, well show them what?

You have every right to not believe in God or in anything for that matter. If it pleases you to believe you came from an ape, well go for it. If you prefer to believe in nothing with no hope for eternity, well, that's your right too. And the big bang? So, where did the things that came together to make the big bang come from? The elements had to have been created somehow by something or someone.

BUT you DO NOT have the right to keep me from worshiping my God just because you don't like it.

You may think Car Sagan was great but he is not even a pimple in the course of my life.

I know for a fact that there is life after death so don't even try that one on me. Just several things that have happened in my life that I don't care to share with the world but that happened none the less.

[lizbud]

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.:)


I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.:)

[Marigold2]

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.:)


I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.:)

Agreed, 100%.

[Medusa]

To quote the King James version of the scripture: "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". - Hebrews 11:1 The Living Bible says it a bit differently: "Faith...is the certainty that what we hope for is waiting for us, even though we cannot see it up ahead".`

All we have is evidence. We don't have proof positive of a God or we wouldn't be having this discussion. We would all be in agreement. To say that we know absolutely would be arrogant because we don't really know. We do, however, have evidence, strong evidence of a supreme being. We can't see the wind but we can feel and see its effects. It would be foolish to deny the existence of the wind but how do we prove that it actually exists? We can't; we only have evidence by what it can do. We have faith, the evidence of things not seen.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

As for virgin births: cloning is an example of a modern day version of it. :love:

[RICHARD]

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.:)


I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.:)



Twitter us when you get there/find out, Please?

I am sorry and it's not meant to be mean spirited or anything like that! I just had this funny idea that maybe you could let us in on what to expect! It's ven more funny because I choose not to own a phone, so I'll be the last to know.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Twitter us when you get there/find out, Please?

I am sorry and it's not meant to be mean spirited or anything like that! I just had this funny idea that maybe you could let us in on what to expect! It's ven more funny because I choose not to own a phone, so I'll be the last to know.

Richard you are SO funny!!! :D

First off, why do you think she will cross over before you do?

Plus, you don't twitter on the phone, you twitter on a computer. Right? ;) :D

[Edwina's Secretary]

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.:)

One of my favorite conundrums...who will be more disappointed - those who believe in life after death or those who don't?

I was interviewing a candidate for a sales job - on the phone. He tells me he likes to discuss scriptures with clients. He tells me a story of falling on his kness in the men's room for advice on a difficult sale.

I was uncomfortable. I don't care - Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, none of the above...I don't think that kind of conversation belongs in the workplace. ESPECIALLY when you do not know the affliation of the person with whom you are speaking.

[RICHARD]

Richard you are SO funny!!! :D

First off, why do you think she will cross over before you do?

Plus, you don't twitter on the phone, you twitter on a computer. Right? ;) :D

WTF do I know?

I am living to be 200 anyway.......:D

[lizbud]

I was interviewing a candidate for a sales job - on the phone. He tells me he likes to discuss scriptures with clients. He tells me a story of falling on his kness in the men's room for advice on a difficult sale.



Don't tell me,,, he didn't get the job, right? :D TMI fella.

[RICHARD]

I had the most interestingly attack of silliness when I heard this phrase on the tube.


"You will be defeated."


Now if I remember correctly, another person made a comment that was something like, "Bring it on!" and people fainted in the streets, toddlers cried, animals attacked humans and the end of the world was nigh!

So, here we go again....People challenging terrorists! One guy asks for the challenge and the other makes it a point to say that they will get whupped!

Does anyone know if there is lead paint or asbestos in the Oval Office and how quickly would it affect anyone working there?

[Marigold2]

As for virgin births: cloning is an example of a modern day version of it. :love:

Possible now but not 2000 years ago.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Possible now but not 2000 years ago.

With God, all things are possible.

He's gazillions of times smarter than people. We just took this long to figure this much out. We may never know for sure how the virgin birth happened but then, we aren't supposed to know EVERYTHING. Our tiny brains would probably explode!

[Medusa]

If we aren't supposed to know we wouldn't have been told in the first place. IMO, accepting something as fact w/out question isn't faith, it's gullibility. Also, IMO, God wants us to investigate further; that's how we learn and build our faith. :)

[lizbud]

IMO, accepting something as fact w/out question isn't faith, it's gullibility.



Oh, but it is. It is the very definition of faith.



Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide
Date: 13th century

1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions
2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust
3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction ; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
synonyms see belief
— on faith : without question <took everything he said on faith>

[RICHARD]

Here's my acid test.....

No, not THAT kind of acid!

Start out in the morning and look for that flower in your neighborhood.

Then look at a tree.

Walk by a school full of kids.

Have an apple for lunch.

Go check out a pet store and look at the fishes

Watch the sun go down, the stars light up and the moon rise in the sky.

Someone or something has been hard at work putting all that shiat around us.

He might be a brown haired,blue eyed dude, someone who cannot be drawn in any manner, a prophet or the head of a 'pseudo religion' based in Lost Angeles.

They don't have the chops to explain anything about the world came to be.

It's way bigger that you, I, our pets or the internet.

Faith is good, IT's when we start making my god better than yours when we get into problems.

[Medusa]

At one time, people had complete trust that the earth was flat until it could be disproved. IMO, that wasn't faith; it was gullibility. They questioned it and found out differently.

[Medusa]

Faith is good, IT's when we start making my god better than yours when we get into problems.

Amen, RICHARD.

I find, also, that some of what passes as faith is actually fear, fear of what might happen to someone if they don't believe a certain way. Some people act, not out of love, but out of fear and of having to be right, i.e., "Well, that's the way it is because and I don't question it." Look at how many people had put their faith in not eating meat on Fridays, only to be told later that it's ok now. The rule has been rescinded. Questioning is good. Blind acceptance, IMO, is folly and oft times dangerous. If my God can't stand up to a little scrutiny, how powerful can s/he be and why would I put my faith, my trust in a deity like that? The tested quality of our faith works out endurance.

[lizbud]

Amen, RICHARD.

I find, also, that some of what passes as faith is actually fear, fear of what might happen to someone if they don't believe a certain way. Some people act, not out of love, but out of fear and of having to be right, i.e., "Well, that's the way it is because and I don't question it." Look at how many people had put their faith in not eating meat on Fridays, only to be told later that it's ok now. The rule has been rescinded. Questioning is good. Blind acceptance, IMO, is folly and oft times dangerous. If my God can't stand up to a little scrutiny, how powerful can s/he be and why would I put my faith, my trust in a deity like that? The tested quality of our faith works out endurance.


You can question people's reasons for faith, but it doesn't change what
faith is & is not. It is not ignorance,fear or being right.

The eating meat on Friday was not right or wrong, it was a custom that
signified a giving up something of value as an offering to God. It was like
a penance. It is still practiced during Lent by many Catholics out of choice.

[Medusa]

You can question people's reasons for faith, but it doesn't change what
faith is & is not. It is not ignorance,fear or being right.

The eating meat on Friday was not right or wrong, it was a custom that
signified a giving up something of value as an offering to God. It was like
a penance. It is still practiced during Lent by many Catholics out of choice.

I don't disagree w/you. However, it was a custom, as you call it, that people didn't deviate from for fear of going to hell. At least that's what my Catholic friends told me and they were dismayed when they were told that there was a new ruling on the matter. It isn't my intention to find fault w/religion nor to argue. I've made my point. :)

[Medusa]

You can question people's reasons for faith, but it doesn't change what
faith is & is not. It is not ignorance,fear or being right.

The eating meat on Friday was not right or wrong, it was a custom that
signified a giving up something of value as an offering to God. It was like
a penance. It is still practiced during Lent by many Catholics out of choice.

One last thing, though: (sorry :) ) Earlier you had asked if the meaning of the word Christian has changed and, in turn, Puckstop asked what being a Christian means to you. W/out scrolling back, I can't recall if you addressed the question and, if so, I guess I missed it. My apologies in advance if you had. (We rather got off topic w/the discussion of faith.)

[phesina]

I don't disagree w/you. However, it was a custom, as you call it, that people didn't deviate from for fear of going to hell. At least that's what my Catholic friends told me and they were dismayed when they were told that there was a new ruling on the matter. It isn't my intention to find fault w/religion nor to argue. I've made my point. :)

That reminds me of a cartoon I saw (in the New Yorker, maybe?) soon after the Catholic Church said it's okay now to eat meat on Fridays except during Lent:

Scene: Satan on his throne in hell with the fires burning around... A little devil has come up and is asking "Okay, now what do we do with all those people who ate meat on Fridays?"

[lizbud]

I don't disagree w/you. However, it was a custom, as you call it, that people didn't deviate from for fear of going to hell. At least that's what my Catholic friends told me and they were dismayed when they were told that there was a new ruling on the matter. It isn't my intention to find fault w/religion nor to argue. I've made my point. :)


Your Catholic friends were wrong in labeling that as a mortal sin. I don't
want to argue either. :) Peace.:)

[Medusa]

Your Catholic friends were wrong in labeling that as a mortal sin. I don't
want to argue either. :) Peace.:)

LOL. Those Catholic friends of mine are priests. I worked at a Catholic church rectory for a few years and was privy to have discussions w/them on such subjects. If they were wrong, then I guess I can see why others might not always be right regarding church doctrine. Peace back atcha. ;)

[blue]

One last thing, though: (sorry :) ) Earlier you had asked if the meaning of the word Christian has changed and, in turn, Puckstop asked what being a Christian means to you. W/out scrolling back, I can't recall if you addressed the question and, if so, I guess I missed it. My apologies in advance if you had. (We rather got off topic w/the discussion of faith.)

She didnt answer Pucks question. I also would like to see her answer, but Im not going to hold my breath.

[blue]

oh my gosh! At the oc town hall meeting some people wanted to ask obama...boxer or briefs?
Depends (http://www.depend.com/).
:d:d:d

[RICHARD]

Scene: Satan on his throne in hell with the fires burning around... A little devil has come up and is asking "Okay, now what do we do with all those people who ate meat on Fridays?"

Make them Democrats?

Or give them an eating disorder?

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Meghan McCain is a fricking hottie, no wonder Coulter and that other twit are jealous of her!

[Puckstop31]

She didnt answer Pucks question. I also would like to see her answer, but Im not going to hold my breath.

I just want to say that my question was an honest one, necessary to answer hers.

I am not looking for a fight, like I am usually accused these days.

[Medusa]

I just want to say that my question was an honest one, necessary to answer hers.

I am not looking for a fight, like I am usually accused these days.

She may have just forgotten and not checked back in yet to see these posts. We did get off topic for a while w/our discussion of faith. :)

[Puckstop31]

She may have just forgotten and not checked back in yet to see these posts. We did get off topic for a while w/our discussion of faith. :)


That's not what I was talking about. :) I just wanted to make sure that Blue's comment did not change the tone here.

[Medusa]

That's not what I was talking about. :) I just wanted to make sure that Blue's comment did not change the tone here.

Oh. Sorry.

[smokey the elder]

I consider "Faith" and "Dogma" to be two different things. To me, "faith" is the ability to accept the existence of something non-quantifiable, such as God. "Dogma" is all the baggage various organized religions use to control human beings. This is all STRICTLY my opinion.

(runs from Molotov I just tossed!)

[lizbud]

I consider "Faith" and "Dogma" to be two different things. To me, "faith" is the ability to accept the existence of something non-quantifiable, such as God. "Dogma" is all the baggage various organized religions use to control human beings. This is all STRICTLY my opinion.

(runs from Molotov I just tossed!)


I think this is a important distinction. Thanks.:)

[RICHARD]

I consider "Faith" and "Dogma" to be two different things. To me, "faith" is the ability to accept the existence of something non-quantifiable, such as God. "Dogma" is all the baggage various organized religions use to control human beings. This is all STRICTLY my opinion.

(runs from Molotov I just tossed!)


So..... A Karma Ghia is a Volkswagen?;)

[Medusa]

So..... A Karma Ghia is a Volkswagen?;)

Karma's a chameleon. Everyone knows that. Duh.

[RICHARD]

Karma's a chameleon. Everyone knows that. Duh.

LOL, good one!

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I had to laugh at the coverage of the Queens hugging each other at Buckingham. Like who really cares if it was against protocol? That QE has a purse that I KNOW HAS a slab o' lead in it, If she was offended, she would have put it thru it paces.

And anyways, WFG is it to drag an effing spouse to something like that?
Give her a credit card and tell her you are going on a business meeting.
MO took for aides with her-She is one of us.

Dang did I just go incontinent?:eek::o:(


Hey,

Can we work out a deal where France gets our FL, and the Queen-can we get Carla Brunei?

We can split 'ownership' with Great Britain.

No wonder she didn't show up....

Politics suck, send her to Fashion Week in NYC!:D

[Edwina's Secretary]

I have gone along on certain business trips of my husband and he has gone on certain business trips of mine -- mostly when spouses are included but sometimes just for fun.

It is what partners do.

[blue]

Geese RICHARD, Im sure the First Lady paid her own air fair and the cost of the iPod for the Queen.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Geese RICHARD, Im sure the First Lady paid her own air fair and the cost of the iPod for the Queen.

Geez blue...I am sure Michelle Obama is the FIRST EVER wife of a president who traveled with (or without) her husband on official business at government expense..(including air fair or even air fare!)

And I am sure that this is the FIRST TIME EVER a gift has been given to a head of government of another country and has been paid for by the US government.

Silly boys.

[blue]

Geez blue...I am sure Michelle Obama is the FIRST EVER wife of a president who traveled with (or without) her husband on official business at government expense..(including air fair or even air fare!)

And I am sure that this is the FIRST TIME EVER a gift has been given to a head of government of another country and has been paid for by the US government.

Silly boys.


Sarcasm is lost on you isnt it?

*ETA*

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3560/3323814256_4369a0e57a_o.jpg

Very sexist of you as well.

[RICHARD]

Geese RICHARD, Im sure the First Lady paid her own air fair and the cost of the iPod for the Queen.

An effing iPod?
I guess classy is put on hold for the next 4 years.
Why not a DVD player with the X-Men trilogy?


Shoulda had Nancy Pelosi with them too. They could have saved money by all jamming into the smaller and cheaper ride!

Hey, NP could have taken her four aides and all the stuff needed to make her look human.

[lizbud]

An effing iPod?
I guess classy is put on hold for the next 4 years.



GWB was many things, but I'm positive "Classy" wasn't one of them.:D

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sarcasm is lost on you isnt it?



Not when it is done well.

[blue]

Not when it is done well.

I would actually be suprised if you even recognise the sarcasm you or your cheerleading squad post on a regular basis as such.

[Medusa]

My dad's bigger than your dad! Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!

[smokey the elder]

Nanny nanny boo boo!:D

[RICHARD]

I have to post this here because it kinda fits in with the title of the thread.

I heard about the story of a group of firefighters who banned together to take a few dollars less on their paychecks in order to help out with the budget and keep from having other FFs to be cut from the payroll.

There have been other stories like this-are you listening UAW?-that show that many of us still have a sense of community and care for our co-workers and neighbors.

Here in Lost Angeles some teachers banded together to propose some ideas about saving money and jobs. The union didn't go for it!

Now, I worked union for years and have to say that there are some benefits to being employed in that fashion, but I have seen too many people get screwed becuase the union and management can't seem to remember the workers-they only care for what they will lose as far as power, money and political influence.

The news reported that many people see the recession as 'being not as bad' because we have a new president. I am truly amazed at all the wonderful things he has done, singlehandedly, to lull us into the belief that he has made all the difference.

- ----- I ---- my----.


I am waiting for the revolution, it's not the gun-toting, end-of-the-worlders that are thought to rise up and take our country back.

I'd like to think it has nothing to do with some dopey couple in power, or the AWs that we send to D.C. becuase they have spoken a good came.

I see that the people are starting to take back the communities, cities and maybe even the states they live in.

The people who make a huge deal out of the money that the Gov't. is passing out, and want to know why they are not getting any are the Darwin Nominees for the next awards Email.

They'll fold up their tents and move on quietly into the night.

I am putting my money on the quiet people who know what they have to do to stay afloat. Hopefully, these days will be a lesson to those who are struggling, those who give up and the rest of us who soldier on and have to pick up the slack for the idiots who caused this mess.

I just have to pay attention to all the crackpot politicos who will take the credit for 'getting us through this crisis'.

[Marigold2]

Wish words from a kind and intelligent woman.
Amen, RICHARD.

I find, also, that some of what passes as faith is actually fear, fear of what might happen to someone if they don't believe a certain way. Some people act, not out of love, but out of fear and of having to be right, i.e., "Well, that's the way it is because and I don't question it." Look at how many people had put their faith in not eating meat on Fridays, only to be told later that it's ok now. The rule has been rescinded. Questioning is good. Blind acceptance, IMO, is folly and oft times dangerous. If my God can't stand up to a little scrutiny, how powerful can s/he be and why would I put my faith, my trust in a deity like that? The tested quality of our faith works out endurance.

[Marigold2]

Scene: Satan on his throne in hell with the fires burning around... A little devil has come up and is asking "Okay, now what do we do with all those people who ate meat on Fridays?"[/quote]

Why Barbecue Sauce of course:eek::eek:

[RICHARD]

I'd think Satan would hold a Donner Party Party!


Tastes like chikin!:confused::eek:

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I have to laugh at all the talk about BO 'bowing' to the emir or whoever that joker was.


I had a good chuckle at the film clip - BO had dropped the keys to AF One, that was the reason for the deep flex in front of that quack.

I thought back to the rules of flying/displaying the flag and know that no matter what happens, Old Glory never is dipped or lowered for anyone or anything.

So, the physical figurehead of the country seems to have a spine, but may not know when to make it stiff?:(

[Edwina's Secretary]

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I have to laugh at all the talk about BO 'bowing' to the emir or whoever that joker was.


I have been trying to find the post you made when George W. kissed the king of Saudi Arabia and held hands with him.

Oddly...I can't seem to find it....:confused::rolleyes::confused:

[blue]

A kiss and holding hands, IIRC is a sign of respect and friendship in arab cultures. Kissing the ring is a sign of subjegation or that you are beneath that person, not a very good impression for the POTUS to give to arabic cultures.

[Medusa]

Just curious, does anyone know if President Obama bowed to Queen Elizabeth or any other heads of state?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

They reported on the news today that the Bank of Wells Fargo is making a 3 billion profit this year. They should have them give all the failing banks classes on bank managing. Of just give them the banks to manage. :)

[blue]

Just curious, does anyone know if President Obama bowed to Queen Elizabeth or any other heads of state?

To the Queen, he might have.


For while he proferred the Queen a deferential nod in his audience at Buckingham Palace

Source (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/philip_sherwell/blog/2009/04/09/barack_obama_a_tale_of_two_bows).

[Medusa]

To the Queen, he might have.



Source (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/philip_sherwell/blog/2009/04/09/barack_obama_a_tale_of_two_bows).

A nod and a bow aren't the same. That's why I asked. When I was growing up, believe it or not, boys were taught to bow to their elders but it wasn't from the waist, it was more a deferential nod as the article stated. A more earnest gesture would have been sort of a shoulder tip. So if President Obama bowed from the waist to Queen Elizabeth or any other head of state then that would change the import of the incident in my eyes.

[lizbud]

When I was growing up, believe it or not, boys were taught to bow to their elders but it wasn't from the waist, it was more a deferential nod as the article stated.


Really? Where were you raised?

[Medusa]

Really? Where were you raised?

Near Pittsburgh, PA. Girls curtsied and we were taught to speak the Queen's English. Different time, for sure.

[RICHARD]

Near Pittsburgh, PA. Girls curtsied and we were taught to speak the Queen's English. Different time, for sure.

Been there, taught that!:confused:

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That war mongering BO goes ahead and give his OK to kill, instead of talking to terrorists/pirates...

What a chump!:o

[lizbud]

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That war mongering BO goes ahead and give his OK to kill, instead of talking to terrorists/pirates...

What a chump!:o


Richard, you know it didn't happen like that.:rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

Richard, you know it didn't happen like that.:rolleyes:

Of course.

He had no say in the matter. Cowboys rule!

[Grace]

That war mongering BO goes ahead and give his OK to kill, instead of talking to terrorists/pirates...


And if he hadn't given the okay to shoot the pirates, and the captain was killed - what would you say then? No doubt something equally offensive.

FYI, the negotiations continued right along - weren't you personally informed about that?

[RICHARD]

And if he hadn't given the okay to shoot the pirates, and the captain was killed - what would you say then? No doubt something equally offensive.



Heavy is the hat that wears the crown.

BO Promised to sit down and talk to people , not shoot them while they are boating.


BO gave permission to the AFs to 'do the job' or 'whatever it takes'.

HE just green lights any mission and leaves the planning to the guys in charge.

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Had the Captain been killed I would have gone ahead and plowed the beach front real estate these emm effers started from. Sorry to say this but they only understand violence, just as we would have been begging Barry to "Do Something" had the Captain been killed.

Enough of the "black hawk down' mentality.

We don't act soon or harshly enough to start the game.

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In football you start the game by looking over at the other team, shossing a dance partner, then after the whistle, you go down and hit the idiot as hard as you can.

I can guarantee that he will be on the lookout for you during the rest of the game.

It's time we start playing 'firmly' and let people know that they don't want to mess with us.

[RICHARD]

Flip Flop?

So BO wanted to let the guys who 'tortured' confessions out of the terrorist detainees go.

But, he does a little side step a day later and wants the people who wrote the outlines to be on guard. They may be set upon by the government.



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I saw a very telling piece on the info that BO released about theses torture sessions.

The guest said that there was page after page of details regarding the torture.
But when it came to detailing that some of the info gleaned helped deter the 'second wave' of attacks - one attack set for the city of El Lay- the government chose to black out THAT part of the papers?

I guess Big Brother-insert fist bump here-knows best.:rolleyes::D

[lizbud]

It doesn't matter what opinion the President has on this issue, since
it will be decided by the DOJ. The Attorney General will decide the
ultimate fate of those who were responsible.

[RICHARD]

It doesn't matter what opinion the President has on this issue, since
it will be decided by the DOJ. The Attorney General will decide the
ultimate fate of those who were responsible.

If BO doesn't have an opinion, why did he let the docs out?

And why was the info about the attacks edited by the gov't. blacked out?

I guess that would mean that torture can get some info that would help in the 'war on terror'?

If the tactics we used to foil an attack on Lost Angeles worked, I can see where the Guvmint would not want that info put out there.

Muhammed, You just have to hold your breath while they water board you!
Take scuba lessons! We are playing the "I'm sorry" game with the world with little or no thought as to how that will affect us in the future.

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The AH terrorists do not care about any of the rules or laws that the big governments put into play. This are rogue idiots who do not care, one way or the other.


We have given them the rule book, it's now up to them to see how to bend the rules and play the game that may go in their favor.


God save us and the Queen.;)

[lizbud]

If BO doesn't have an opinion, why did he let the docs out?

And why was the info about the attacks edited by the gov't. blacked out?




The memos were released after the US gov. lost the Court case filed by
the ACLU under the FOIA. The US was required to release them. And
I did not say that Obama didn't have a opinion, I said Obama's opinion
didn't matter.

[RICHARD]

I did not say that Obama didn't have a opinion, I said Obama's opinion
didn't matter.

Hmm, No FOIA involvement?

[RICHARD]

Hey, let's fly an empty 747 real low over NYC. Morons... Notice any complaints from any one?;)

[blue]

Hey, let's fly an empty 747 real low over NYC. Morons... Notice any complaints from any one?;)

Welcome back.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Hey, let's fly an empty 747 real low over NYC. Morons... Notice any complaints from any one?;)

Yes. There is even a thread on PetTalk about it.

What is your point(less)??:D:D

[blue]

Yes. There is even a thread on PetTalk about it.

What is your point(less)??:D:D


computer crashed, am posting via ps2....lol, i even got online with celphone? me? on a c phone? l and f is spooky in the dark

Ive never posted on PT or anywhere else from a PS2, a cellphone, or a c phone. Have you?

Or are you just trying to belittle him?

[RICHARD]

Welcome back.
Thanks, c phones suck when you are old and blind!
I'm like that nasty foot fungus you think you got rid of....then....
SURPRISE!:EEK:

[blue]

Better a foot fungus then the STDs the hippies spread around.

Dang hippies.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Ive never posted on PT or anywhere else from a PS2, a cellphone, or a c phone. Have you?


Yes. I have posted on PT and set email via a cell phone.

Thanks for asking!:D

[blue]

Yes. I have posted on PT and set email via a cell phone.

Thanks for asking!:D

And it only took you 2 days to figure it out.

Congradulations.

[Edwina's Secretary]

And it only took you 2 days to figure it out.

Congradulations.

No, I was able to do it immediately.

If your reference -- poorly worded, was meant to indicate the time it took for me to respond - you will have to understand I have a life - you know, friends, husband, social activities, a home to take care of, volunteering. And a job.

Fun things that involve real live people!

And the word is spelled congratulations....

You're welcome!

[lizbud]

Shame on you Sara.:p You mean to say you don't hang on his every word?:D

[blue]

No, I was able to do it immediately.

If your reference -- poorly worded, was meant to indicate the time it took for me to respond - you will have to understand I have a life - you know, friends, husband, social activities, a home to take care of, volunteering. And a job.

Fun things that involve real live people!

And the word is spelled congratulations....

You're welcome!


Shame on you Sara.:p You mean to say you don't hang on his every word?:D

http://petoftheday.com/talk/attachment.php?attachmentid=42440&stc=1&d=1241489878

[Puckstop31]

Shame on you Sara.:p You mean to say you don't hang on his every word?:D

Gosh Liz... You are supposed to try to DISprove your "cheerleader" rep. LOL

Your silence in the "officer" thread is thundering, BTW.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Shame on you Sara.:p You mean to say you don't hang on his every word?:D

No...the obsession is strictly one way! :D:D:D

[blue]

Gosh Liz... You are supposed to try to DISprove your "cheerleader" rep. LOL

Your silence in the "officer" thread is thundering, BTW.

We must be on their infamous "Ignore" lists.

[Red 46]

It has been getting to be an every other thing with Obama.He seems
to give speechs to interpret & explain ,what he said in his last speech. :confused:

Now he's explaining his Grandmother was acting like any other" typical
white person" in holding a bias against blacks.

What the heck is a "typical white person"? Is it like a "typical black person"?

I'm surprised all caucasians havn't rioted in the streets at hearing that. :p

Well, didn't you know that only WHITE people can be racist? Most of us don't care that he is black if he seemed to know what he was doing and cared a whit about the country he is President of.

[Red 46]

I try to get a little deeper than that. I think you took my statement out of context. It's the reason that he won't wear a pin that bugs me-You know, He could be a TYPICAL AMERICAN MALE and get behind the whole ideal.
But no, he's gotta be different.

Mitt Romney got the same BS because he was a Mormon, Mormon=Polygamist, right? The reason that is wasn't a really big deal is the fact that MR didn't attend a church where the pastor/cleric/elder was running his mouth off and making light of the white man in the oval office with Monica Lewinsky or passing around the idea that god should damn the U.S.

I kinda wish my grandmothers were alive. I see alot of angst that I could attribute to them. See, I am half white and would love to go out and pillage and burn some stuff. Because BO mentioned the brown man in his speech, my hands are tied.

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The line of the week went something like this-
We went from Rosa Parks trying to get a seat on the bus to Barack Obama throwing his grandmother under the bus.

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Can I speak to my spiritual advisor before making any more statements on this thread?

That line of the week is one of the best things I have heard all week. Thank you for posting it!!!

[RICHARD]

http://petoftheday.com/talk/attachment.php?attachmentid=42440&stc=1&d=1241489878

A Tribble??? lololol

So, some idiot takes photos of nyc and now they are top secret? THAT'S my government at work, I cannot blame BO, he's too busy spending REAL money.;)

[blue]

A Tribble??? lololol

You dare disrespect the Captain??

[RICHARD]

You dare disrespect the Captain??

No disrespect intended to JTK?

[RICHARD]

LOLOLOLOL,
BO actually thinks he can get the healthcare reform ball rollig?

I guess he can-see what the threat of socialized medicine can do?

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And wait until the probs with the electric medical records become apparent!

[blue]

At the heart of President Barack Obama's health-care plan is an insurance program funded by taxpayers, administered by Washington, and open to everyone. Modeled on Medicare, this "public option" will soon become the single dominant health plan, which is its political purpose. It will restructure the practice of medicine in the process.

Chad Crowe


Republicans and Democrats agree that the government's Medicare scheme for compensating doctors is deeply flawed. Yet Mr. Obama's plan for a centrally managed government insurance program exacerbates Medicare's problems by redistributing even more income away from lower-paid primary care providers and misaligning doctors' financial incentives.

Like Medicare, the "public option" will control spending by using its purchasing clout and political leverage to dictate low prices to doctors. (Medicare pays doctors 20% to 30% less than private plans, on average.) While the public option is meant for the uninsured, employers will realize it's easier -- and cheaper -- to move employees into the government plan than continue workplace coverage.

The Lewin Group, a health-care policy research and consulting firm, estimates that enrollment in the public option will reach 131 million people if it's open to everyone and pays Medicare rates, as many expect. Fully two-thirds of the privately insured will move out of or lose coverage. As patients shift to a lower-paying government plan, doctors' incomes will decline by as much as 15% to 20% depending on their specialty.

Physician income declines will be accompanied by regulations that will make practicing medicine more costly, creating a double whammy of lower revenue and higher practice costs, especially for primary-care doctors who generally operate busy practices and work on thinner margins. For example, doctors will face expenses to deploy pricey electronic prescribing tools and computerized health records that are mandated under the Obama plan. For most doctors these capital costs won't be fully covered by the subsidies provided by the plan.

Government insurance programs also shift compliance costs directly onto doctors by encumbering them with rules requiring expensive staffing and documentation. It's a way for government health programs like Medicare to control charges. The rules are backed up with threats of arbitrary probes targeting documentation infractions. There will also be disproportionate fines, giving doctors and hospitals reason to overspend on their back offices to avoid reprisals.

The 60% of doctors who are self-employed will be hardest hit. That includes specialists, such as dermatologists and surgeons, who see a lot of private patients. But it also includes tens of thousands of primary-care doctors, the very physicians the Obama administration says need the most help.

Doctors will consolidate into larger practices to spread overhead costs, and they'll cram more patients into tight schedules to make up in volume what's lost in margin. Visits will be shortened and new appointments harder to secure. It already takes on average 18 days to get an initial appointment with an internist, according to the American Medical Association, and as many as 30 days for specialists like obstetricians and neurologists.

Right or wrong, more doctors will close their practices to new patients, especially patients carrying lower paying insurance such as Medicaid. Some doctors will opt out of the system entirely, going "cash only." If too many doctors take this route the government could step in -- as in Canada, for example -- to effectively outlaw private-only medical practice.

These changes are superimposed on a payment system where compensation often bears no connection to clinical outcomes. Medicare provides all the wrong incentives. Its charge-based system pays doctors more for delivering more care, meaning incomes rise as medical problems persist and decline when illness resolves.

So how should we reform our broken health-care system? Rather than redistribute physician income as a way to subsidize an expansion of government control, Mr. Obama should fix the payment system to align incentives with improved care. After years of working on this problem, Medicare has only a few token demonstration programs to show for its efforts. Medicare's failure underscores why an inherently local undertaking like a medical practice is badly managed by a remote and political bureaucracy.

But while Medicare has stumbled with these efforts, private health plans have made notable progress on similar payment reforms. Private plans are more likely to lead payment reform efforts because they have more motivation than Medicare to use pay as a way to achieve better outcomes.

Private plans already pay doctors more than Medicare because they compete to attract higher quality providers into their networks. This gives them every incentive, as well as added leverage, to reward good clinicians while penalizing or excluding bad ones. A recent report by PriceWaterhouse Coopers that examined 10 of the nation's largest commercial health plans found that eight had implemented performance-based pay measures for doctors. All 10 plans are expanding efforts to monitor quality improvement at the provider level.

Among the promising examples of private innovation in health-care delivery: In Pennsylvania, the Geisinger Clinic's "warranty" program, where providers take financial responsibility for the entire episode of care; or the experience of the Blue Cross Blue Shield plans in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Virginia, where doctors are paid more for delivering better outcomes.

There are plenty of alternatives to Mr. Obama's plan that expand coverage to the uninsured, give them the chance to buy private coverage like Congress enjoys, and limit government management over what are inherently personal transactions between doctors and patients.

Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D., N.Y.) has introduced a bipartisan measure, the Small Business Cooperative for Healthcare Options to Improve Coverage for Employees (Choice) Act of 2009, that would make it cheaper and easier for small employers to offer health insurance. Mr. Obama would also get bipartisan compromise on premium support for people priced out of insurance to give them a wider range of choices. This could be modeled after the Medicare drug benefit, which relies on competition between private plans to increase choices and hold down costs. It could be funded, in part, through tax credits targeted to lower-income Americans.

There are also measures available that could fix structural flaws in our delivery system and make coverage more affordable without top-down controls set in Washington. The surest way to intensify flaws in the delivery of health care is to extend a Medicare-like "public option" into more corners of the private market. More government control of doctors and their reimbursement schemes will only create more problems.

Dr. Gottlieb, a former official at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a practicing internist. He's partner to a firm that invests in health-care companies .

Link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208383695408513.html#).


The Eagle Tribune
May 10-2009
by Taylor Armerding


What a difference an inauguration makes.

It was only a few months ago that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" was still the rage among the elite, liberal, "tolerant" class.

But then Barack Hussein Obama became president. And now, suddenly, dissenters are paranoid, violent extremists worthy of surveillance by the federal Department of Homeland Security. Returning war veterans, who tend to be conservative and believe that terrorists ought to be called terrorists, need to be watched.

Average working Americans who held polite "Tea Party" protests on April 15 against confiscatory taxes and rampant government spending — protests marked by a lack of broken windows, overturned cars, torched buildings and injuries — are mocked with a not-so-veiled reference to a gay sex act. Conservative television and radio commentators are not only crazed nutcases, they are dangerous purveyors of hate and violence, unlike the civil, ballanced, issue-oriented discourse of Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher.

Suddenly, there is no tolerance for dissent. It is tantamount to treason.

It was only a few months ago that blocking every element of President Bush's agenda was tops on the elites' list of good things to do. Wanting him to fail was a very good thing, whether it was his effort to stabilize Social Security by giving individuals more responsibility and control of it or winning a war. It didn't matter if the Democrats didn't have a constructive alternative. Blocking Bush was enough — the highest form of political responsibility.

Then Obama became president. And suddenly any opposition to the president's agenda is not worthy of substantive debate or discussion. It is simply a very bad thing, to be dismissed with a label: The Party of No. Wanting his vast expansion of government authority and spending to fail is racist, hateful and divisive.

It was only a few months ago that the only way to have any street cred as an elite was to throw something like "BushHitler" into your conversation. Even better was to call the president an idiot, insane, incompetent and/or a swaggering cowboy.

Then Obama became president. Suddenly, "swagga" is a very cool thing. What is not cool is to suggest that the president's agenda is leading us on a path to socialism. Or to suggest that he may not be as brilliant as his adoring, lap dog press, makes him out to be, since he can't seem to go anywhere or say much of anything without a teleprompter. Those are ugly political smears. Not cool at all.

It was a few years ago, when President Bush was nominating a justice for the Supreme Court, that I heard frenzied liberal elites on National Public Radio warning of the horror of one party holding the presidency and a majority in Congress, and therefore being able to appoint justices to the Supreme Court. It was all so unfair, they wailed.

Then the Democrats took Congress. Then Hussein Obama got elected. And now there are no wails of anguish, only celebration among the elites, at the prospect of one party controlling all three branches of government.

Only a few months ago, if a presidential 747 airliner had buzzed Manhattan for a photo shoot, coming within 1,500 feet of some of the buildings, there would have been a media feeding frenzy for the blood of President Bush. The words "arrogant" and "jerk" would have been the gentler labels spewed by the liberal controlled Pravdas. The story would have played for weeks, minimum. There is no way the press would have stood by meekly while the White House issued a perfunctory apology, prodded a single aide to fall on his sword, refused to say who was on the plane or released only one of the photos — shot for publicity purposes.

But, Hussein Obama is the president now. So while there was a flurry of criticism from those quickly labeled the "right-wing hate machine," it was a one- or two-day story at most for the mainstream media. Move along. Nothing to see here. Have you heard how fantastically the administration has been handling the swine — uh, I mean the H1N1 — flu crisis?

Until a few months ago, any elite conversation about President Bush had to include a standard line about him "shredding the Constitution."

But now Hussein Obama is president. And when asked what standard he will apply when nominating a successor to retiring Supreme Court Justice David Souter, the president said he wanted someone who "understands that justice isn't about some abstract legal theory or footnote in a casebook; it is also about how our laws affect the daily reality of people's lives, whether they can make a living and care for their families, whether they feel safe in their homes and welcome in their own nation."

Not a word about how judges are supposed to be blind to personal circumstance. Not a word about the Constitution. I guess we won't have to worry about the administration or the court shredding the Constitution, because there is no Constitution to shred.

It is fine, when a new president takes office, for the agenda to change, and reflect the philosophy of his party. Not so fine for the standards and rules for judging an administration to take a 180-degree turn.

Not the kind of change I'm believing in.

[RICHARD]

I almost forgot!

Happy CINCO DE QUATRO! :)

[RICHARD]

Did anyone ever stop to think about how dumb Nancy Pelosi thinks we are?

[RICHARD]

(intelligence)nancy pelosi = ?

Squeeze me to tears.

I sn't this a transparent regime?

The US flew AF 1 over the Statue of Liberty and all we got was 1 photo I could have Photoshopped?

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Is it true that NP has changed the honorific from Ms. Pelosi to Ms. Lead?
:confused:

[blue]

(intelligence)nancy pelosi = ?

If she was duped by W's administration about torture she cant be all that bright. Sarcasm!

[RICHARD]

BO picked a winner for the Supreme Court?

Wait, she will claim to be 'misquoted' in the future!

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Hey!

What about that NP. Thank god for selective memory from the 'twitchy woman'!:eek:

[Medusa]

What about that NP. Thank god for selective memory from the 'twitchy woman'!:eek:

Raven hair and ruby lips
Fidgets fly from her fingertips
CIA voices in the night
She's a restless spirit who's looking for a fight

(Chorus) Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, see how bad she lies,
Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, she got that look in her eyes

She held us spellbound in the day
when she should have walked away
Dancing eyes and waving hands
Nervous laughter in the room
She drove herself to madness
as she sang her silly tune

(Chorus) Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, see how bad she lies,
Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, she got that look in her eyes


Well I know you want a leader
to take over if we need her
Let me tell you brother she's been saying what's in her empty head
And there's some rumor goin' 'round
that she might be goin' down
by someone who can rock her in the night time
'til her face turns red

(Chorus) Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, see how bad she lies,
Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, she got that look in her eyes

[RICHARD]

Raven hair and ruby lips
Fidgets fly from her fingertips
CIA voices in the night
She's a restless spirit who's looking for a fight

(Chorus) Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, see how bad she lies,
Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, she got that look in her eyes

She held us spellbound in the day
when she should have walked away
Dancing eyes and waving hands
Nervous laughter in the room
She drove herself to madness
as she sang her silly tune

(Chorus) Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, see how bad she lies,
Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, she got that look in her eyes


Well I know you want a leader
to take over if we need her
Let me tell you brother she's been saying what's in her empty head
And there's some rumor goin' 'round
that she might be goin' down
by someone who can rock her in the night time
'til her face turns red

(Chorus) Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, see how bad she lies,
Whoo hoo, twitchy woman, she got that look in her eyes


I LOVE IT!

I saw Dennis Miller the other night say something about her 'twitchiness'

:cool:

[Puckstop31]

BO picked a winner for the Supreme Court?

Wait, she will claim to be 'misquoted' in the future!

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Hey!

What about that NP. Thank god for selective memory from the 'twitchy woman'!:eek:


She is a racist, pure and simple. Then there is the empathy thing. Since when should that matter in relation to the LAW? Is not Lady Justice supposed to be BLIND?

Further, how does she get around the oath she would take?


"I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God."

[RICHARD]

She is a racist, pure and simple. Then there is the empathy thing. Since when should that matter in relation to the LAW? Is not Lady Justice supposed to be BLIND?

Further, how does she get around the oath she would take?

Dude, I wish everyone would stop with the "latino" BS-That is just a little sleight of hand/feel good nomination - just to placate the 'hispanic' bobos that voted for BO.

Putting Sotomenor (little play on her name-menor means small in espanol) in as a SCJ has nothing to do with placing a person with creds into the seat.

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LOL, I'll get jacked for this but here we go-this comes from personal experience too!

SOME- I say SOME- fill in the "LATINO" species here- women are driven to make the most of the new world opening up to give women the chance to get better jobs, make more money, etc.

And with that op comes a chance for them to step on everyone that has ever crossed them. THey become nasty, bigoted, racist and have no qualms about taking down people and using the bodies as stepping stones for their march to the top.

Vayan con dios-I hope this 'pick' goes the way of most of the other BO picks.

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Here's another effing BS line that I heard yesterday during the press op BO and SS did yesterday.

BO said something about SS's mom buying the only encyclopedia in the Bronx?


Lke WTF is that borough supposed to be? Some jerkwater area where all the inhabitants are stupid and unable to get a few books? Is the allotment of intelligence stopped at one set of reference books that went to the person with enough money to afford them?

Please.

It's way too funny and sad that we swoon and go WOW because some politician tries to fill a post to make one group happy.

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Will we ever elect a politician that says, "life is tough-I ain't promising anything right now-I'll try, if you get me into office, not disappoint you by flopping the flip!"

[Edwina's Secretary]

Wow! I see some bad karma on its way for a few folks!

[Puckstop31]

Wow! I see some bad karma on its way for a few folks!

Clear and fact based, as always ES. :) "Saying what you mean and meaning what you say." Yep, thats you. :)

[blue]

Walter E Williams on the POTUS criteria for his SC nominee.


A MINORITY VIEW

BY WALTER WILLIAMS

RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, MAY 20, 2009



Empathy Versus Law



President Obama's articulated criteria for his nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court is: "We need somebody who's got the heart to recognize -- the empathy to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom, the empathy to understand what it's like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."

What is the role of a U.S. Supreme Court justice? A reasonable start for an answer is the recognition that our Constitution represents the rules of the game. A Supreme Court justice has one job and one job only namely; he is a referee. There is nothing complicated about this. A referee's job, whether he is a football referee or a Supreme Court justice, is to know the rules of the game and make sure that they are evenly applied without bias. Do we want referees to allow empathy to influence their decisions? Let's look at it using this year's Super Bowl as an example.

The Pittsburgh Steelers have won six Super Bowl titles, seven AFC championships and hosted 10 conference games. No other AFC or NFC team can match this record. By contrast, the Arizona Cardinals' last championship victory was in 1947 when they were based in Chicago. In anyone's book, this is a gross disparity. Should the referees have the empathy to understand what it's like to be a perennial loser and what would you think of a referee whose decisions were guided by his empathy? Suppose a referee, in the name of compensatory justice, stringently applied pass interference or roughing the passer violations against the Steelers and less stringently against the Cardinals. Or, would you support a referee who refused to make offensive pass interference calls because he thought it was a silly rule? You'd probably remind him that the league makes the rules, not referees.

I'm betting that most people would agree that football justice requires that referees apply the rules blindly and independent of the records or any other characteristic of the two teams. Moreover, I believe that most people would agree that referees should evenly apply the rules of the games even if they personally disagreed with some of the rules.

The relationship between Supreme Court justices and the U.S. Constitution should be identical to that of referees and football rules. The status of a person appearing before the court should have absolutely nothing to do with the rendering of decisions. That's why Lady Justice, often appearing on court buildings, is shown wearing a blindfold. It is to indicate that justice should be meted out impartially, regardless of identity, power or weakness. Also, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "Men should know the rules by which the game is played. Doubt as to the value of some of those rules is no sufficient reason why they should not be followed by the courts." The legislative branch makes the rules, not judges.

Interventionists often make their case for bending the rules based on the unfairness of outcomes such as differences in income, education and wealth. After all, how can the game of life possibly be fair when some people's yearly income totals in the hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars, while many others scarcely earn twenty or thirty thousand dollars? Some people find that argument persuasive but it's nonsense. Income distribution is an outcome and fairness cannot be determined by outcomes. It's the same with football. The Steelers winning six Super Bowl titles and Arizona winning none is an outcome and cannot be used to determine football fairness. Fairness in either case must be settled by process questions such as: Were the rules unbiased and evenly applied? If so, any outcome is just and actions based on empathy would make it unjust.

[RICHARD]

Walter E Williams on the POTUS criteria for his SC nominee.


Should the referees have the empathy to understand what it's like to be a perennial loser and what would you think of a referee whose decisions were guided by his empathy? Suppose a referee, in the name of compensatory justice, stringently applied pass interference or roughing the passer violations against the Steelers and less stringently against the Cardinals. Or, would you support a referee who refused to make offensive pass interference calls because he thought it was a silly rule? You'd probably remind him that the league makes the rules, not referees.



Nice, :rolleyes:;)

Why not bring up the Immaculate Reception and let Franco Harris laugh all over again.

That wound will never heal.:p:eek:

[RICHARD]

I really believe that the recession is getting better.

Yeah, The news comes from some guy living in a government subsidised housing project on Pennsylvania Avenue.:eek::mad::rolleyes:

[RICHARD]

MY president took his wife on a romantic date



and all I got was the bill.


Government subsidised dating?
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Nancy was out in China with the people whom she accused of not respecting Human Rights.

Nice.

[blue]

MY president took his wife on a romantic date



and all I got was the bill.


Government subsidised dating?
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Nancy was out in China with the people whom she accused of not respecting Human Rights.

Nice.

Im shocked... Wait, wut?

[RICHARD]

Im shocked... Wait, wut?

NP was in China kissing rear today. THIS after complaining about the Human Rights record of the government right before the Olympics.

What an incredible waste of a perfectly good seat in Congress. As a Cah Lee fuh Nee An I apologize to the rest of the country for her actions.

What a moron.;)

[blue]

Ive been wondering if GM is the next Volkswagen? As in Government Motor's.

[RICHARD]

Two stories that made me think about how stupid the media is.

The abortion doctor and two soilders in uniform were shot in the last week-
They were called Domestic Terrorists-

So, why aren't they called murderers? And why weren't the stories touted as "man made disasters"?

I really laugh when I get the 'codewords' the Politically Correct Media has assigned to idiots and the way they behave, backwards.:rolleyes:

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LOL, three planes, two choppers and a whole lot of overtime for a date night.


Shoot, when I was dating, it was a movie, something to eat and maybe an ice cream..And I paid for the date myself.

A real man would have pulled out his wallet and flashed some dead presidents.


It's the least he could do for the sagging economy.

[caseysmom]

I am asking because I truly don't know...is the date thing or using a helicopter or whatever normal for the President? I am not trying to start anything but hasn't this always been done?

[blue]

I am asking because I truly don't know...is the date thing or using a helicopter or whatever normal for the President? I am not trying to start anything but hasn't this always been done?

Ill bet you a dollar if Shrub had done it would have been worldwide front page news. On the other hand Shub never told us we need watch our spending while the .gov keeps pouring out $$$.

The only problem I have with the date thing is that .gov paid for the press to tag along.

[RICHARD]

I am asking because I truly don't know...is the date thing or using a helicopter or whatever normal for the President? I am not trying to start anything but hasn't this always been done?


Yes,
But BO said that after the election, he would take the wife on a "date night".

Now, I don't mind spending a penny on taking care of the POTUS for work related trips, but with GM, Pontiac, banks and the Titanic going under, like why doesn't he get a sitter and rent some movies or porn on the cable/satellite?

There was a shot of about 100 NYC cops standing around waiting for the prez to show up.

Other people said that it was a slap in the face to the rest of the country where, most of us are very aware of what we spend on a date/shopping/perks. He spends money on very trivial things.

He just showed that maybe he doesn't really care about saving my and your money.

Of course, he could have cancelled the Statue of Liberty photo fiasco and gone to see it while he was in town?;)

[caseysmom]

Yes,
But BO said that after the election, he would take the wife on a "date night".

Now, I don't mind spending a penny on taking care of the POTUS for work related trips, but with GM, Pontiac, banks and the Titanic going under, like why doesn't he get a sitter and rent some movies or porn on the cable/satellite?

There was a shot of about 100 NYC cops standing around waiting for the prez to show up.

Other people said that it was a slap in the face to the rest of the country where, most of us are very aware of what we spend on a date/shopping/perks. He spends money on very trivial things.

He just showed that maybe he doesn't really care about saving my and your money.

Of course, he could have cancelled the Statue of Liberty photo fiasco and gone to see it while he was in town?;)

I tend to agree with you there. Our lovely gov keeps cutting our salaries...yes I am a state employee...(don't do it, its too easy). Honestly a lot of people I work with work our butts off and he has taken ten percent already and now he is after another 5 percent, in our line of work private industry already makes about double what we do. They paid a consultant 1.3 mill to do what I could have done in a few months if they let me...and our guv was suppose to make it all better:rolleyes:

I have been cutting back, but I feel even worse for a lot of other folks and to be honest any extravagance does make me feel guilty. I would like to be Obama act accordingly.

[RICHARD]

I tend to agree with you there. Our lovely gov keeps cutting our salaries...yes I am a state employee...(don't do it, its too easy). Honestly a lot of people I work with work our butts off and he has taken ten percent already and now he is after another 5 percent,

ANd you hang on every report in the media when they discuss the state's budget and any cutbacks in the workforce.:eek::(

I feel your pain.

See, I like the politicians who give you a vague promise of the things to come.
I tend to be very suspicious of the ones that give you a detailed list of what the want to do. Far different from what they can do!

We will make it out of this mess.

We'll have to tighten our belts a bit.

I just don't like it when politicians pass on the belt tightening and go have their entire wardrobes taken in, on our dime.:mad::(:mad:

[caseysmom]

ANd you hang on every report in the media when they discuss the state's budget and any cutbacks in the workforce.:eek::(

I feel your pain.

See, I like the politicians who give you a vague promise of the things to come.
I tend to be very suspicious of the ones that give you a detailed list of what the want to do. Far different from what they can do!

We will make it out of this mess.

We'll have to tighten our belts a bit.

I just don't like it when politicians pass on the belt tightening and go have their entire wardrobes taken in, on our dime.:mad::(:mad:

Well I have been with the state for 25 years so I would have to shoot my boss:D If this foot crud doesn't do me in my job is secure just not sure how much I will get but alas there are those worse off so I won't whine about it. We hired a guy from the private sector and he needs some good cheese to go with all that whine about the money:D

[smokey the elder]

OK, I can't resist lobbing this grenade...*dons fireproof jammies*

California set itself up for this mess by passing Proposition 13 (I think) which makes it nearly impossible to raise taxes. Unfortunately, many states are forced to raise taxes during a recession. I know Libertarian types like blue are going to jump all over my s*** for this, but if folks want the Gov't to provide for them, they have to be willing to pay for it.

*ducks away from the torrent of flames I can see emerging in the distance*:p

[RICHARD]

OK, I can't resist lobbing this grenade...*dons fireproof jammies*

California set itself up for this mess by passing Proposition 13 (I think) which makes it nearly impossible to raise taxes. Unfortunately, many states are forced to raise taxes during a recession. I know Libertarian types like blue are going to jump all over my s*** for this, but if folks want the Gov't to provide for them, they have to be willing to pay for it.

*ducks away from the torrent of flames I can see emerging in the distance*:p


Correct!

Prop 13 caused quite a stir at the time..The F-wads that voted FOR the measure, way back when, were the ones that complained the most about the shortage of services long after they forgot they voted it in.

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Here's a little trivia about Howard Jarvis-the author of Prop 13.

Jarvis played a small part/sight gag in the movie, AIRPLANE!

At the beginning of the movie, Robert Hays drives a cab to the front of the airport terminal. Hays leaves the cab, with Jarvis in the rear at the curb.

At the end of the movie Jarvis, with the meter in the cab still running, is shown waiting for Hays to come back.:confused:

[blue]

OK, I can't resist lobbing this grenade...*dons fireproof jammies*

California set itself up for this mess by passing Proposition 13 (I think) which makes it nearly impossible to raise taxes. Unfortunately, many states are forced to raise taxes during a recession. I know Libertarian types like blue are going to jump all over my s*** for this, but if folks want the Gov't to provide for them, they have to be willing to pay for it.

*ducks away from the torrent of flames I can see emerging in the distance*:p

Why would I jump your sh!t for that? The Kalifornia .gov is reaping what they have sown, they taxed and taxed and taxed, user fees up the ying yang and they still dont have enough enough for those with their hands out. The ones paying for the .gov programs put their feet down and good for them.

I cant see how raising taxes make things better.

[RICHARD]

Why would I jump your sh!t for that? The Kalifornia .gov is reaping what they have sown, they taxed and taxed and taxed, user fees up the ying yang and they still dont have enough enough for those with their hands out. The ones paying for the .gov programs put their feet down and good for them.

I cant see how raising taxes make things better.

What happened out here is the freaking population grew so fast-you would not believe the places where houses have been built-when you see the state burning and the houses going up in flames, I can guarantee you that those house are less than 10 years old.

The 'old rates' just can't support the influx of people.

That and the fact that everyone drives out here so the effing traffic and roads are the pits.

Put it this way, a 20 minute drive to work was a 2 hour fight to get home around holidays. One Thanksgiving eve it took me almost 2.5 hrs to get home.:rolleyes:

[smokey the elder]

Tax 'n' spend keeps getting us into messes, no matter whether it's the state, feds or whatever. I think once you get on the treadmill it's wicked hard to get off of it.

[RICHARD]

Can someone get our president a personality, not some speech on a teleprompter?

One of the funniest things about watching BO is the head movements he makes while 'giving' a speech as he reads.

The more I see it, the more I am reminded of some actor reading a script and acting out what is printed on the page. It's all pre packaged tripe with only a talking head to roll it around in their mouth, then tell us how it tastes.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

You all just crack me up! You didn't like when we had a Republican Pres. You don't like the Democrate one. Is there any one you would like? Let us know now. Maybe we can have them run in next election. They should start campaigning for it soon. :rolleyes: :love:

[RICHARD]

You all just crack me up! You didn't like when we had a Republican Pres. You don't like the Democrate one. Is there any one you would like? Let us know now. Maybe we can have them run in next election. They should start campaigning for it soon. :rolleyes: :love:

We want someone without the baggage and ulterior motives.

It's all the same kind of BS.

The politicians today aren't men or women. They are the creation of the people who buy them and sit them in office.

IT's really not a matter of LIKING a politician.

It's all about respect.

And I have more respect for the 'offices' than I have for the people that sit in them.:confused:

[blue]

More respect for the desk chair then most of the elected officials sitting in them.

[RICHARD]

A newshead/talking head made this comparison-and how true is it?


During the last few years, making a big deal and slamming the government and the idiots who run it, was touted as being patriotic. It goes back to that old adage about questioning authority.

It was OK to clown on the previous administration. Now? You can't because you are a racist, a jerk and what ever else the supporters of the current government can call you.

Seems like what is good for the goose, just may be foie gras from the gander?:eek:

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Let me bring the "date night" trip up again.

This shows how dumb people are!

MO is shown in the crowd at the D-Day ceremony. Why is she there?

BO could have easily told her, "Hey, let's go paint the town in France next week instead of wasting all that taxpayer money by going to New York...."

Nope, he had to show off and make it a publicity stunt.

And what woman doesn't want to be treated to a night on the town with plane and helicopter flights? Golddiggers?:eek:;)

As I said before, I don't care who sits in the hot seat, as long as the are up front with how the run MY country.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

We want someone without the baggage and ulterior motives.



Lots of luck with that one!!! :eek:

I noticed that most stations don't even bother to give the results on how many vote for Independent canidates any more. Here anyway.

So, the next loser, er president, will be a donkey or elephant. Those canidates will be chosen by big businesses! We just have to settle for the least of the two evils. :( (of course the way the big businesses are going bankrupt, someone else may have a tiny shot at getting in by then)

[RICHARD]

(of course the way the big businesses are going bankrupt, someone else may have a tiny shot at getting in by then)

Hey, that gives me hope!:D

[lizbud]

Not to worry you guys, I just heard this bit of news............:D


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Troubled by dwindling membership and numerous setbacks, the 155 year-old Republican Party filed for financial, intellectual and moral bankruptcy and announced its reorganization as a tax-exempt church. The new GOP will be officially called The First Church Of Jesus Loves America And Latter Day Lower Taxes Anti Foreigner Old Time Heterosexual Do As I say Not As I Do Affluence Ministry Hoop N' Hollerin' Revival Gun Lovin' Banker's Club Outreach Hootenanny, Inc but will still use the name "Republican Party" for most functions.

Experts think that few consumers will notice any difference.

[RICHARD]

Not to worry you guys, I just heard this bit of news............:D


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Troubled by dwindling membership and numerous setbacks, the 155 year-old Republican Party filed for financial, intellectual and moral bankruptcy and announced its reorganization as a tax-exempt church. The new GOP will be officially called The First Church Of Jesus Loves America And Latter Day Lower Taxes Anti Foreigner Old Time Heterosexual Do As I say Not As I Do Affluence Ministry Hoop N' Hollerin' Revival Gun Lovin' Banker's Club Outreach Hootenanny, Inc but will still use the name "Republican Party" for most functions.

Experts think that few consumers will notice any difference.


I guess that kinda follows the Democratic Party for there ain't no Jesus in the Government, don't call them Illegals, Wetbacks or tacobenders and stay out of my computer files while I vacation overseas then complain about all the carbon that you are burning but for the love of GOD don't build a wind farm off of Martha's Vineyard because you can't drill in ANWAR but I will gladly pay for three planes two helicopters for a date night, all the while telling the GM and Pontiac and ther rest of the car companies that we own you now and we think scocialism is quite all right because the CIA lies to us and it's all man made disasters, not terrorism because I didn't want to have anything to do with the Muslim faith until I go give a teleprompter speech in the Middle East and the I did not have relations with that woman/that company/ those lobbyists Marching and Chowder Society?

At least The First Church Of Jesus Loves America And Latter Day Lower Taxes Anti Foreigner Old Time Heterosexual Do As I say Not As I Do Affluence Ministry Hoop N' Hollerin' Revival Gun Lovin' Banker's Club Outreach Hootenanny, Inc but will still use the name "Republican Party" for most functions do not have the top three bobos, With Number Three in line as the biggest worry, in office.

That may not be anything to acknowledge publically?
:confused::o:(

[Grace]

MO is shown in the crowd at the D-Day ceremony. Why is she there?



Indeed - and why was Laura Bush present at the 60th Anniversary observance?

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040606/040606_dday_hmed_9a.h2.jpg

[Edwina's Secretary]

Indeed - and why was Laura Bush present at the 60th Anniversary observance?

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040606/040606_dday_hmed_9a.h2.jpg

I know...I know....because it is the "do as I say, not as I do" party???

[lizbud]

I know...I know....because it is the "do as I say, not as I do" party???




I believe we have a winner.:)

[Grace]

I believe we have a winner.:)

I believe you are right.

For ES . . . . . .

http://www.teleflorist.co.uk/er04/catalog/htdocs/products/photos/web06.jpg

[Edwina's Secretary]

How exciting! I won the Stating the Obvious contest!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Bonus Round!

“Dick” Cheney was known for traveling to the southwest to “hunt” birds raised and released for being shot.

Which of these trips cost the taxpayers more…

When he went “hunting” with a Supreme Court justice who refused to recuse himself from a case involving “Dick” Cheney? or……..

The trip when he shot his elder companion in the face?
(Demonstrating his knowledge of "gun safety")

[Grace]

Bonus Round!

“Dick” Cheney was known for traveling to the southwest to “hunt” birds raised and released for being shot.

Which of these trips cost the taxpayers more…

When he went “hunting” with a Supreme Court justice who refused to recuse himself from a case involving “Dick” Cheney? or……..

The trip when he shot his elder companion in the face?
(Demonstrating his knowledge of "gun safety")

This is strictly a guess on my part - I think it was the hunting trip with Scalia.

[RICHARD]

Indeed - and why was Laura Bush present at the 60th Anniversary observance?

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040606/040606_dday_hmed_9a.h2.jpg



Had to earn a few more FF miles before the 2nd Qtr. ended.

Plus, when you are married as long as GWB and Baba are, you don't need no phony date night.

[Grace]

Had to earn a few more FF miles before the 2nd Qtr. ended.

Plus, when you are married as long as GWB and Baba are, you don't need no phony date night.

Very feeble excuse - surely you could come up with something wittier.

I seriously doubt that either couple would consider attendance at the observance of D-Day as a date?

[RICHARD]

Very feeble excuse - surely you could come up with something wittier.

I seriously doubt that either couple would consider attendance at the observance of D-Day as a date?

I all wittied out. Plus, I don't make excuses for people with more money than I'll ever see in my lifetime. I also pay for what I can afford, not bill it to the 'company'.

I always filled out my expense reports as honestly as possible.

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What woman would pass up a chance to go to Paris instead of NYC on a freaking date night? I like to woo my women in private, not make it a media event.

Of course, any media attention is having the USPS hang my pic in their office.

[smokey the elder]

A few months ago I saw a great bumper sticker: "Republicans for Voldemort".

20++ years ago, I saw a button: "Vote for Darth Vader, if you're tired of the LESSER of two evils."

The more things change, the more they stay the same! (I know I'd just mangle the French spelling!)

[Grace]

I also pay for what I can afford, not bill it to the 'company'.



Since both couples, and all the other Presidential couples that have gone to Normandy, bill it to "the company", you were wrong to complain only about Michelle.

[RICHARD]

:o
Since both couples, and all the other Presidential couples that have gone to Normandy, bill it to "the company", you were wrong to complain only about Michelle.


Aw, shiat. Will I have to buy the MO Inauguration Doll to make up for it?:o

I was talking about the Date Night that you and I paid for.

I was watching that hack, B Maher and he had the no talent D.L. Hughley on.

Hughley made a joke about the "date night" and completely ignored the money spent on the little tryst. Typical.

What happened to the old "dissent is good" lines that everyone frothed about during the election?

I complained about Baba, Hillary, Nancy, Rosalyn and Maggie, too.

Altho, I wouldn't tell MT to her face, she really scared me.:confused:


I really don't like myself, so why would I find time to like politicians and their wives?


Sarkozy's wife is really hot.

[Grace]

:o

I was talking about the Date Night that you and I paid for.

Sarkozy's wife is really hot.

We did not pay for the Date Night - the President pays for his own food.


“The president has always had to pay for his own food,” says Carl Sferrazza Anthony, historian of the National First Ladies’ Library.

President Bush had to buy the pretzel on which he choked while watching football at home in 2002. President Clinton was billed (bonus bad pun) for Big Macs he ordered in.

If it is an 'official' function, we pay. Date nights are not included.

Are you offering to pay for Carla Bruni's food :)

[Medusa]

The POTUS does receive a salary, does he not? And he also had money before he became POTUS. So I'm thinking that he may very well have paid for the date night out of his pocket?

[RICHARD]

Are you offering to pay for Carla Bruni's food :)

Dude, I can't even do the "CB for dessert" joke.

You win.:D

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What does a few hundred NYC cops earn an hour?:confused::D

[Grace]

What does a few hundred NYC cops earn an hour?:confused::D


Probably more than you and I do in a year.

[blue]

What did it cost us for them to chopper out in Marine 1? What did the .gov C20 and G5 jets cost to fly them all to NY? Im sure what the O's actually spent of their own money on this "date night" was miniscule to the total cost of the night.

I think its been a long time since the foreign press has been more critical of the POTUS then our own.

[RICHARD]

Probably more than you and I do in a year.

Seriously,
THere is a clip, from a spot above a NY sidewalk, that was stuffed with NYPD cops waiting to move out.

I don't begrudge BO for taking his squeeze out, to score points and maybe get a little something, something afterwards.:cool:

It's the cost to the taxpayers and the thought that NYC has to bear most of the cost of this date.

Look, we have to fly, chopper and send the prezmobile up to NYC so he could have his date.......PLUS all the behind the scenes security?

I guess I am too old fashioned.

My idea of a perfect date is a backyard BBQ, on the night when the moon is full.

You time it so, you hit dinner, have a few beers and watch the moon come up over the neighbor's house.

Perfect, simple and the best recession proof deal you can muster.

Who needs Paris?:p

[RICHARD]

Um, the Congress is supposed to figure out what to do about the medical insurance laws here in the U.S.?

Thanks Mr. Prez for turning over your election promise to the Congress, I am sure they will do what is right.

Lobbyists be danged.

Thank you for believing in Congress.;):rolleyes::confused:

[RICHARD]

Where is Jimmy Carter when Iran needs him?

:eek:;)

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Liz Cheney is kinda hot.......in that smart, daughter of a politician way.


Actually,
Don't tell David Letterman about her. He may tell a joke.:rolleyes:

[blue]

If letterman's joke had been against Bristol that would be one thing, however the joke was about Willow, I think she is 14 and that is another thing all together.

[RICHARD]

If letterman's joke had been against Bristol that would be one thing, however the joke was about Willow, I think she is 14 and that is another thing all together.

DUDE,
The silence from the women is really hard to bear.

I guess someday someone will make a joke about DL's illegitimate spawn and his fugly old lady will make things even.:rolleyes:

[blue]

If Gov Palin was a liberal, Letterman would have been tarred feathered and hanged allready. But Letterman wouldnt make a joke about a liberals children.

[RICHARD]

HEY Bermuda!

Be careful.....those Non Combatant Entities that live in your neighborhood now are really TERRORISTS!


I saw a effing hilarious clip of some locals that were 'welcoming' the 4 dopes that the U.S. placed there.

A woman walks up to the group with her hand extended in an effort to shake theirs hands....

Woman, brush up on your Islamic rule for women and men living in the same world..

I am waiting for the first little tidbit that makes these guys flip out and go Jihad in the 'hood.

Holy Crap, We'll have some 'splaining to do!!

[Medusa]

HEY Bermuda!

Be careful.....those Non Combatant Entities that live in your neighborhood now are really TERRORISTS!


I saw a effing hilarious clip of some locals that were 'welcoming' the 4 dopes that the U.S. placed there.

A woman walks up to the group with her hand extended in an effort to shake theirs hands....

Woman, brush up on your Islamic rule for women and men living in the same world..

I am waiting for the first little tidbit that makes these guys flip out and go Jihad in the 'hood.

Holy Crap, We'll have some 'splaining to do!!

Years ago when I managed the band from S. Africa, the leader of the band and I were at a gig in Ohio. Another drumming group, which was Muslim, was playing there and while the leader of our band was on stage, this Muslim group came right up on stage and started drumming, a show of disrespect and definitely a lack of professional courtesy. My guy was looking at me as if to say "Make them go away" so I talked to one of the women and said "We can arrange for you to drum together later but right now, he's on stage". She left and afterwards, the leader of their band came up to me and said "I'd like to perform w/him some time" and I said "Ok, give me your business card and we'll be in touch". He laughed and said "I don't have a business card. I'm just a poor black man". So I said "Ok, I'll give you mine" and he said "Give it to one of my women". Sigh. I went over to one of the women and attempted to hand her the card and she said "I cannot take it from you. Please put it down on the table and I will pick it up". She didn't even want to take the chance of touching me when accepting the card. I did not give them my card and said " We won't be in touch". If the Bermudans want to fool themselves into thinking that they can all get along, so be it. They'll learn.

[RICHARD]

Remember when a basketball world championship was won and an Iranian election protest broke out?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/pgStory?contentId=9684336#sport=NBA&photo=9684050

triple:rolleyes:

[phesina]

If Gov Palin was a liberal, Letterman would have been tarred feathered and hanged allready. But Letterman wouldnt make a joke about a liberals children.

I seem to recall Rush Limbaugh making some very cruel comments about Chelsea Clinton. He hasn't been tarred feathered and hanged. And he certainly has never apologized.

[lizbud]

I seem to recall Rush Limbaugh making some very cruel comments about Chelsea Clinton. He hasn't been tarred feathered and hanged. And he certainly has never apologized.


Yes, and there was the Jay Leno joke about her daughter during last
years election run up.

"Alan Colmes (former co-host of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes) makes a great a catch regarding the current feud between David Letterman and Governor Sarah Palin. While Palin has been blasting Letterman all over the airwaves for joking about Yankees star Alex Rodriguez "knocking up" her daughter, Jay Leno told an extremely similar joke during the presidential campaign that resulted in no such uproar:

Gov. Palin announced over the weekend that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. And you thought John Edwards was in trouble before! Now he has really done it. -- "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno," 9/2/08
Is there a double standard being applied to Letterman?

[blue]

When has Limbaugh not been tarred and feathered in the press? No I am not deffending him, only stating what is.

Limbaugh at least had an excuse, he still should have made a public appology for his employee.

phesina, I can only surmise you are refering to RLs TV show with Socks the cat, at least Limbaugh had an out, Im not saying its right but he had an out. If you can quote Limbaugh or post video with other "cruel comments" on Chelsea Ild be glad to see them.

No double standard.

Leno at least made a joke about Bristol, a girl of legal age of consent, not only in Alaska but most of the United States, and already pregnant. Humorus yes, bad taste definently.

Letterman made a joke of a 14 year old getting knocked up, age of consent in only 2 states and New York not being one of them. Humorus, no. Bad taste, most definently. My sick sense of humor only goes so far.

[RICHARD]

Joking about how ugly, stupid, pregnant any politico's kids is one thing.

But to say that SP's daughter (the 14 year old one THAT WAS AT THE GAME) was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez is a pretty low thing to even joke about.

DL is moron, Um, doesn't he have an illegitimate spawn himself? I wonder what he would think is JL made a joke about his kid getting molested? I haven't heard anyone joke about BO's kids? What about them? Cheney's daughter is gay, let's start there?

Yep, SP has paraded her kids out in the media. Do I really care about the whiny kids that make their dad get a dog if he wins the presidency?

Please, stop it......

DL is a loser and a bitter AH, his 'apology' is just another 'neck saving' measure--- Don Imus got nailed for repeating a description one of his co-workers made about an a woman's B-Ball team. Oh, that was racist and a slam against women.

I guess young women who are just regular little girls don't count or need to be protected from any kind of stupidity-especially from some old comedian that has a first amendment right?

Jay Leno is no better and it shows in his attempts at humor.
But, his joke was about a 17 year old who was already pregnant-not a 14 year old who was at the park with her mother. It is also an insult to women who do take their kids out to sporting events, Would anyone be insulted if their parenting skills were made fun of?


I'd be more upset about A-Rod touching my kids, I hate the Yankees!:confused::rolleyes:

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I stand corrected about the post of the local woman who welcomed the Euighers in Bermuda, that was a news reporter from a cable outlet.


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Hey, hey!

No hanging chads in Iran, Just shooting protestors!:(:eek::mad:

[blue]

Settle down RICHARD, even Sadam got 99% of the vote in a legitamate election.

[Grace]

Limbaugh at least had an excuse, he still should have made a public appology for his employee.

phesina, I can only surmise you are refering to RLs TV show with Socks the cat, at least Limbaugh had an out, Im not saying its right but he had an out. If you can quote Limbaugh or post video with other "cruel comments" on Chelsea Ild be glad to see them.


blue, I posted about this once previously on this site - perhaps it was before you joined up. Way back when Rush had his TV show, we were fans. We watched every day - and if we were not home, we taped and watched later. I DID hear and see him when he asked - "Did you know there's a White House dog?" - and then held up a picture of Chelsea Clinton.

No, I don't have a link to any video - You Tube wasn't around back then. So I fully expect that you won't believe me.

David Letterman was wrong last week. He has apologized -
Sarah Palin has accepted the apology.

[blue]

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

From 1995, MotherJones.com. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1995/05/lyin-bully)

[RICHARD]

Jerry Buss, the owner of the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers has promised to send 50,000 team pennants to the citizens of Tehran to keep the election riots on a happy note.

"The citizens of Los Angeles were able to unite in their support of the Lakers after the team won it's 15th world championship. I think that the rioters in Iran should devote more of post election celebration angst to something fun like sports-not stupid politics. I mean how many times have you seen a mullah pull off a behind-the-back pass followed by a monster slam dunk?"

[lizbud]

Palin backers raising funds for her legal defense
17 hours ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's supporters are holding a Web-a-thon to raise money for her legal defense fund.

Organizers of Conservatives4Palin said they hope to raise more than $500,000 in a week for Palin's Alaska Fund Trust.

Palin has said her legal fees while fighting ethics complaints exceed that amount. She also incurred legal fees during last fall's Troopergate investigation into her firing of Alaska's public safety commissioner.

After settling with the Alaska Personnel Board over a complaint that the state paid for the travel of her children to events, Palin has until June 23 to reimburse Alaska about $10,000 in costs from about 10 trips.

Palin's office said 14 more ethics complaints have been resolved with no findings she has violated the Executive Branch Ethics Act. Earlier this month an investigator for the personnel board found Palin hadn't violated the act when she wore a coat bearing the logo of her husband's sponsor at the start of the Iron Dog snowmobile race last winter.

Palin has called such complaints frivolous.

Fund trustee Kristan Cole said Palin's high visibility this week, after a trip to the East Coast and a public feud with talk show host David Letterman, has helped fundraising efforts.

The legal defense fund was established in April. The Web-a-thon started Monday.

Information from: KTUU-TV, http://www.ktuu.com

[RICHARD]

The legal defense fund was established in April. The Web-a-thon started Monday.

Information from: KTUU-TV, http://www.ktuu.com

So, that stupid DL and SP are in cahoots?

Brilliant!

"Dave, make a child rape joke about my daughter, call my make-up slutty and we'll battle it out in the media. Then apologize, I'll go on your show and Conan's asre is OURS!!!!!"

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
;):D

[Edwina's Secretary]

Palin backers raising funds for her legal defense
17 hours ago


I am SHOCKED....absolutely SHOCKED that Ms. Palin would do anything political in nature.

Put you unmarried teenage daughter on the cover of PEOPLE magazine every other month or so (my fav was the daughter in her high school graduation gown holding her baby....GREAT role model :rolleyes::rolleyes:) and then complain that people keep talking about your children.

Duh!

When will her 15 minutes be up?

[blue]

I am SHOCKED....absolutely SHOCKED that Ms. Palin would do anything political in nature.

Put you unmarried teenage daughter on the cover of PEOPLE magazine every other month or so (my fav was the daughter in her high school graduation gown holding her baby....GREAT role model :rolleyes::rolleyes:) and then complain that people keep talking about your children.

Duh!

When will her 15 minutes be up?

Youre shocked a govenor would be political?

Gov Palin didnt put Bristol on the cover of any magazine. A 16 year old can get an abortion without her moms approval but needs her mom to get on the cover of a magazine, give us a break.

Why are Obama's children off limits and Palins kids are game on? Oh yeah Palin is a republican, shocking isnt it.

I know medical marijuana is legal in Commifornia but lay off it a bit and realise Palin has a year and a half left, not 15 minutes.

ETA: 5 and a half if we re-elect her. That would realy ruffle the lefties hair wouldnt it.

[RICHARD]

I know medical marijuana is legal in Commifornia but lay off it a bit and realise Palin has a year and a half left, not 15 minutes.



Like Dude, you have to see the doctor...and you can get brownies too......Dude, 15 minutes? nah....I can't wait...I got the munchies now!!!:eek:;):D


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I kinda dig the dad on TV saying he didn't have sex with "that woman". Not only is that a good role model for the kids, but the wife gets speared in the heart in front of a whole country.

Twas not the HMMWV that made it's way into the Oval Office.

Gosh, I bet many people wondered about their marriages after THAT!

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Then you have the Republican DB that cheats on his wife and says that is the worst thing he could have done in his life.


No Bozo.

You get elected because people believe in you and you go ahead and screw that up. Take it on the chin and resign you ^#$@%$#*&

BTW,
You women have to learn to dial up the lawyer and get out of THAT relationship. Why would you stick with damaged goods?



Moron.

[lizbud]

blue, I posted about this once previously on this site - perhaps it was before you joined up. Way back when Rush had his TV show, we were fans. We watched every day - and if we were not home, we taped and watched later. I DID hear and see him when he asked - "Did you know there's a White House dog?" - and then held up a picture of Chelsea Clinton.

No, I don't have a link to any video - You Tube wasn't around back then. So I fully expect that you won't believe me.

David Letterman was wrong last week. He has apologized -
Sarah Palin has accepted the apology.


I believe you, who cares if he doesn't.:D I think Letterman apologized
again because his Mom asked him to do it.His Mom is a sweetie.:)

[RICHARD]

I believe you, who cares if he doesn't.:D I think Letterman apologized
again because his Mom asked him to do it.His Mom is a sweetie.:)

Well!;)

My mom told me her "rule for truth" - she got it from John Wayne!

Never apologize, it's a sign of weakness......

So now, I only lie when I know it's the truth?:rolleyes::eek::)

[lizbud]

Well!;)

My mom told me her "rule for truth" - she got it from John Wayne!

Never apologize, it's a sign of weakness......

So now, I only lie when I know it's the truth?:rolleyes::eek::)


:) , but I 'm serious. His Mom lives in Indy.

[lizbud]

Douglas MacKinnonFormer press secretary to Sen. Bob Dole

Posted: June 18, 2009 10:56 AM
GOP Leadership Should Have Condemned Racist Jokes

Two blatant and mind-numbing acts of racism by Republicans were just reported in the news -- and unfortunately and unwisely, GOP "leadership" has chosen to remain silent. Why?

The first involved a former election commission chairman from South Carolina who, upon hearing a gorilla had escaped from the local zoo, posted on his Facebook site, "I'm sure it's just one of Michelle's ancestors -- probably harmless." The second involved the executive assistant to a Republican state senator in Tennessee who circulated a photo of all 44 presidents, with the picture of President Obama being an all black rectangle with two white eyes.

You would think, that as the complexion of America continues to change and as the GOP has discovered a desperate need to reach out to minorities, that at least some of those who purport to speak for the party might look upon these disreputable acts as a way to sincerely reach out to the black and minority communities. Sadly, that does not seem to be the case.

As an independent conservative who lived often in poor, predominately black neighborhoods as a child and who is now married to a Hispanic-American, the lack of meaningful outreach toward minorities by the Republican Party has long been an issue with me.

As such, I was not surprised but still saddened and disappointed, when a collection of older, white and wealthy Republican "leaders" met at the end of May in a pizza parlor in Arlington, Va., to announce the creation of the "National Council for a New America." Really?

With the NCNA being led in part by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, I'm just trying to understand: What's "new" about the council?

Opportunities for outreach to the minority community keep getting teed up for the GOP, and they habitually continue to ignore them.

Indicative of this was the 2008 Republican presidential primary season, when then-leading contenders Rudy Giuliani, McCain, Romney and Fred Thompson decided to blow off a debate hosted by African-American talk show host Tavis Smiley. Again, why? Who were they afraid of offending with their appearance? What was gained from not attending? Certainly not the White House.

Even with the appointment of Michael Steele as the first black chairman of the Republican National Committee, the party is far from connecting with black and minority communities. Beyond that, some GOP leaders seem to be looking for every chance to undermine Steele's efforts to create a more relevant and diverse party.

The recent racist flare ups could have been a turning point.

Regardless of whether they intend to run for the White House or not in 2012, the likes of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Romney and any other "leader" of the GOP, should step in front of a microphone immediately and offer a sincere and deserved apology to Michelle and Barack Obama on behalf of the GOP -- and let them and minorities across America know that not only do vile people who make such jokes not speak for the party, but they are not welcome in the party.

Palin asked for an apology from David Letterman for a joke that she said was an attack on women everywhere. He delivered it. Given these recent brazen offenses toward blacks, the GOP could learn from Letterman's contrition.

Speak up, GOP leaders -- and recognize this as a chance to do and say the right thing. If not, your silence will be analyzed and ultimately interpreted.



MacKinnon was press secretary to former Sen. Bob Dole. He is a former White House and Pentagon official and author.

[blue]

I believe you, who cares if he doesn't.:D

Since you seemed to have missed it...



On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

He claimed one of his techs put the pic of CC up, besides if RL is on screen how would he be controlling the boards? I even stated in this thread RL should have apologized.


I think Letterman apologized
again because his Mom asked him to do it.His Mom is a sweetie.:)

After a week of negative press, that makes for a real genuine apology. Im sure his mom was appalled her son would make such a joke about a 14 year old girl.

[blue]

Douglas MacKinnonFormer press secretary to Sen. Bob Dole

Source link?

[Grace]

Source link?

Douglas MacKinnon - http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/contributor-douglas-mackinnon/



Contributor: Douglas MacKinnon
By The Editors

Douglas MacKinnon was a press secretary to former Senator Bob Dole. He was also a writer for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush and a special assistant for policy and communications in the Defense Department. He has worked on three presidential campaigns and is the author, most recently, of “The Apocalypse Directive,” a novel.

Also - http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/06/17/2009-06-17_how_foolish_the_gop_misses_another_precious_opp ortunity_to_reach_out_to_blacks.html

[blue]

Douglas MacKinnon - http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/contributor-douglas-mackinnon/

That is not the source link.



Also - http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/06/17/2009-06-17_how_foolish_the_gop_misses_another_precious_opp ortunity_to_reach_out_to_blacks.html

That is a source link.

FWIW I agree with him.

Where was the Huffington Post, they also picked this Douglas Mackinnon OpEd piece, when the chimp pics where circulated about the former POTUS? Where was any MSM outrage over those pics?

Is it OK to compare the POTUS or his wife to a primate because they are white but not OK when they are a minority? Why the double standard?

[RICHARD]

Liz,

I have to say this...

When people do the "I was raised in a black neighborhood and married a Mexican" line in a story, I stop reading.

Why not.....

"I was born and raised in a home that taught me to rise above whatever I lacked in life and to try and become successful........"

I really get tired of the "I was this, then, I am not that, now!"

Everyone is 'where' they came from, that will never change. The only thing that does change is a zip code, maybe? And that weird sense of trying to equate your wife, job and mortgage - that other people could never afford- to justify your niche in the world.

Isn't that what we all are supposed to do?

Grow up and do better than our parents, the more, the better!

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Years ago I stopped playing the martyr game.

All my pride and the "I was born a poor kid" was really a slam against my parents. They gave me the best they could and told me to get off my arse and do something with my life.....

So, when I hear the "poor kid/effed up neighborhood" excuse, I wonder why more people don't realize that instead of starting out with the pity party statement, they should thank the parents that started the whole ball rolling.



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And that stupid BaBa boxer told a military officer she was grilling not to call her, "Ma'am". She earned her title and should be addressed as such.

I am not going to tell the joke I want to.


People go Street Rat Crazy!

http://www.brandfreak.com/jack-in-the-box/


Cool out Baba and grab a smoothie, you moron.:eek:

[blue]

And that stupid BaBa boxer told a military officer she was grilling not to call her, "Ma'am". She earned her title and should be addressed as such.

I am not going to tell the joke I want to.


People go Street Rat Crazy!

http://www.brandfreak.com/jack-in-the-box/


Cool out Baba and grab a smoothie, you moron.:eek:

This country has proven over and over that liars, murderers, and lawbreakers can become senators.

I have alot more respect for Brigadier General Michael Walsh then a petty senator who interupted him to dress him down for calling her Ma'am.

Brigadier General is a Rank one earns, a senator is the winner of a popularity contest.

Edit: A Rank is Earned through merit. A title, like senator, is something won, like in a popularity contest.

[RICHARD]

I have alot more respect for Brigadier General Michael Walsh then a petty senator who interupted him to dress him down for calling her Ma'am.

Brigadier General is a Title one earns, a senator is the winner of a popularity contest.

I cannot stand any of the state's senators.


They are both women who's opinion of themselves far exceeds the reality.

I hope one day she needs the help from a member of the armed forces.

I think she is past the point of being street rat crazy......she may want to get two shakes, one for her pie hole, the other for her pants.:rolleyes:

[lizbud]

Liz,

I have to say this...

When people do the "I was raised in a black neighborhood and married a Mexican" line in a story, I stop reading.

Why not.....

"I was born and raised in a home that taught me to rise above whatever I lacked in life and to try and become successful........"

I really get tired of the "I was this, then, I am not that, now!"

Everyone is 'where' they came from, that will never change. The only thing that does change is a zip code, maybe? And that weird sense of trying to equate your wife, job and mortgage - that other people could never afford- to justify your niche in the world.

Isn't that what we all are supposed to do?

Grow up and do better than our parents, the more, the better!

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Years ago I stopped playing the martyr game.

All my pride and the "I was born a poor kid" was really a slam against my parents. They gave me the best they could and told me to get off my arse and do something with my life.....

So, when I hear the "poor kid/effed up neighborhood" excuse, I wonder why more people don't realize that instead of starting out with the pity party statement, they should thank the parents that started the whole ball rolling.



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And that stupid BaBa boxer told a military officer she was grilling not to call her, "Ma'am". She earned her title and should be addressed as such.

I am not going to tell the joke I want to.


People go Street Rat Crazy!

http://www.brandfreak.com/jack-in-the-box/


Cool out Baba and grab a smoothie, you moron.:eek:



Nice essay, but what about the message of the article? The author
told about two separate occasions where two "major players" of the GOP
openly made racist comments about the President & First Lady. This kind
of stuff hurts the GOP. They are killing themseves as a political party.

[RICHARD]

Nice essay, but what about the message of the article? The author
told about two separate occasions where two "major players" of the GOP
openly made racist comments about the President & First Lady. This kind
of stuff hurts the GOP. They are killing themseves as a political party.

And that is a good thing. It's better than having a nominee for the SC saying that a hispanic woman has more insight that a plain vanilla, chocolate or strawberry gal! That takes testes bigger that what I own.

When people make stupid statements in front of me, That is a relief, I know who the AHs are.

What happens when a Major Player acts like an AH in front of a Brig. General by telling him he is wrong in the way he has addressed her?

Nothing really, we know now to avoid the Boxer because she is frothing at the mouth?

I guess all the white and black women are useless to the government because they aren't as experienced as some dumb "latina"?

Every body has that little corner deep inside their hearts where they hold their dislike of a person, race, religion, politics, hair color, clothes, food, home, job and car.

People can say what they want about me, where I came from and everything else.

I just find that people that have to justify their "oneness with the planet" as being a bunch of effing 'victocrats' who need to include the fact that they got a box of food from the local VFW and a christmas tree from the food bank to show that they were poor.

Now, I can say that I have had relations with someone not of my own race and moved out of my poor childhood neighborhood?

Does that make me any more experienced that you?

How does that make anyone feel to hear that some Latina is smarter and more experienced that a white gal? Another brown or black gal?

Nope, I don't buy it.

[Edwina's Secretary]

At first I was bothered....I read on PetTalk that Senator Boxer did not want to be called ma'am....

A little truth in whine is in order!

She told the General she wanted to be called Senator. Just as I am willing to bet the General expects to be called...General.

Whether I agree with either of them is beside the point.

Both are entitled to be called by the title they have earned. General for him...Senator for her.

Not too complicated really!

[RICHARD]

I am more than happy to send anyone a gift certificate for an ANTI-STREET-RAT-CRAZY smoothie.

Gosh, this may be a pandemic.

[blue]

Ild be more then happy to help pay for the coupons if it helps keep the Street Rat Crazies at bay.

[RICHARD]

Ild be more then happy to help pay for the coupons if it helps keep the Street Rat Crazies at bay.

I couldn't ask you to donate for the State of CA reps.

THanks anyway!;)

[blue]

At first I was bothered....I read on PetTalk that Senator Boxer did not want to be called ma'am....

A little truth in whine is in order!

She told the General she wanted to be called Senator. Just as I am willing to bet the General expects to be called...General.

Whether I agree with either of them is beside the point.

Both are entitled to be called by the title they have earned. General for him...Senator for her.

Not too complicated really!

If madam Boxer had been respectful to the General, who actualy worked to earn his Rank and not worked to win a popularity contest like she did, you might have a point.

Madam Boxer decided to disrespect a high Ranking member of our countries military to put him in what she saw is his place.

Not to complicated for you?

[RICHARD]

Madam Boxer decided to disrespect a high Ranking member of our countries military to put him in what she saw is his place.

Not to complicated for you?

Oh, I could see her dropping her smoothie had Herr General been disrespectful, But to call someone out, in front of cameras, media and the world because she thought she was being disrespected shows that she has no class, decorum or brains.

She obviously was not in a good mood-Hmmmm, I wonder if she is SRC, or what?

Had it been a man (Mister, Senator or Sir) that called out a woman about his honorific, he would have been drawn and quartered over the incident.

Me thinks that the Lady Rep from the state of Cah lee fuh nee ah should stay away from undies of the smaller or thong variety.:confused:

[Puckstop31]

At first I was bothered....I read on PetTalk that Senator Boxer did not want to be called ma'am....

A little truth in whine is in order!

She told the General she wanted to be called Senator. Just as I am willing to bet the General expects to be called...General.

Whether I agree with either of them is beside the point.

Both are entitled to be called by the title they have earned. General for him...Senator for her.

Not too complicated really!

Again with the "whine" comments.... Tis' a healthy ego you have. I reckon thats why you like our President. I learned a long time ago, ego is a dangerous thing to have when dealing with serious stuff.


Did you listen to the audio of this incident? "She worked so hard to "earn" that title." Please. The General didn't?


Democrat and Republican alike... Arrogance like this is why the people are restless.

[RICHARD]

Did you listen to the audio of this incident? "She worked so hard to "earn" that title." Please. The General didn't?


Democrat and Republican alike... Arrogance like this is why the people are restless.

He was dodging bullets, she was shooting them-to clear the way for her EGO.

She's a low grade politician who has stepped on many toes to get her honorific. Pretty sad to be proud of a title you earned by scamming the people who put you there..

[Edwina's Secretary]

Speaking of senators....where is the moral outrage about Senator Ensign. Now granted...he did not do something so egregious as ask to be called by his title... although we might want to ask Ms. Hampton about that.

Ms. Hampton is the wife of his good friend and employee - Mr. Hampton. Ms. Hampton is also the mother of a 19 year old Senator Ensign pushed some work to.

Oh yes, Ms. Hampton was also Senator Ensign's bed partner for a while. And an employee of Senator Ensign.

During the time Senator Ensign was doing Ms. Hampton her salary was doubled. Guess she did a good job.

Rumor has it this is not Senator Ensign's first dalliance (yes, there is a Mrs. Ensign...somewhere...)

Senator Ensign was full of moral outrage and hard charging for the impeachment of President Clinton for doing the help. I guess that was different??

And the icing on the cake? Mr. Hampton sent a letter to Fox News telling of the affair. Did they run with the story...nooooo...they gave Senator Ensign a heads up so he could arrange a "hasty news conference" where he confessed to doing the most horrible thing in his life. Nothing like "fair and impartial" news organizations.:D:D:D

So, as an active member of Promise Keepers...what promise do you suppose Senator Ensign was keeping???

Thankd goodness all he did was have a married mistress on the payroll...and not something serious!

[lizbud]

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.:D Gives me an idea for
a game, Guess how many Republicans political officials have had run into
legal & ethical issues in the last year. I can think of 5 or 6 easily.:rolleyes:

[Grace]

I was totally blown away when I heard about Senator Ensign. He always seemed like the straight arrow type. Then again, one never knows what goes on behind closed doors ;)

And this subject is very appropriate for The Dog House as Senator Ensign is the only Veterinarian in the Senate http://bestsmileys.com/dogs/4.gif

[Puckstop31]

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.:D Gives me an idea for
a game, Guess how many Republicans political officials have had run into
legal & ethical issues in the last year. I can think of 5 or 6 easily.:rolleyes:

Guess how many Democrats have the same problems?


Are we EVER going to get past the shackles the inter-party bickering does to us? We are, supposed to be at least, better than this.


The parties and MINDLESS loyalty to then, is a major part of the problem.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Senator Ensign is the only Veterinarian in the Senate http://bestsmileys.com/dogs/4.gif

My favorite political party!

I couldn't care less what party he belongs to or not. It is the outing of hypocrisy I relish. So delicious....:D:D:D

My mother always told me...if someone has to tell you how religious they are or how righteous they are --- watch out!!!

About that she hasn't been wrong yet!

[RICHARD]

I can think of 5 or 6 easily.:rolleyes:

The whole set of 20 Disgraced Republican Drinking Glasses is availabe for free with a oil change and tire rotation!

COLLECT THE SET!;)

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Grace,
Blown away and Senator should not be used in the same sentence?:eek::confused:

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HAHAHAHAHA,

Sit on this one for a moment.

Seriously,

Let's say that the Iranian "revolution" does the job and they get a real regime change, not some namby effing pamby promise of change.

So, Iran and Iraq become pretty serious DEMOCRACIES in the area and you see a fairer government, and people of different religious beliefs and races put their shiat together and start to live a better life..

Wouldn't that be nice?

It's way too bad that people have to die at the hands of their own brothers. But, what if those people's death's really won't go unnoticed in the long run and the people of Iran finally get a chance to run the asylum?


Ready?

Would not it be funny if they whole 'democracy' thing got going because some dopey president (that still can't say New Clear) took the chance by invading Iraq and giving those citizens at democracy and a chance to speak?

Naw, it would be too easy to give either Bush credit-

Warmongers!;)

[blue]

Guess how many Democrats have the same problems?


Are we EVER going to get past the shackles the inter-party bickering does to us? We are, supposed to be at least, better than this.


The parties and MINDLESS loyalty to then, is a major part of the problem.

They're those who cant see past their own party, they will excuse, ignore, and toss out distractions to protect their own. Most of them live in glass houses yet are still hypocritical enough to throw stones.

Some are trying to ignore the fact that the Hampton's tried to extort the senator. Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/06/ensign_accuses_mistresss_husba.html). I make no excuses for the senator, since none of the players in this scandal are clean.

Im shocked that Fox news would give a polititian an honest chance to break bad news to his constituants instead of hanging him out to dry after tarring and feathering him for having an affair. He came clean on his own rather then be blackmailed, shocking stuff.

When someone enjoys the outing of an others dirty laundry, watch out, the carp is going to fill the room quickly. Now would be a good time for some to get a Smoothy.

[RICHARD]

Now would be a good time for some to get a Smoothy.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL, If we could only open up franchises in Iran.


I heard that the nickname for this revolution in the "Lipstick Rev'.

WHY?

Women are egging on the men to get out and do something.

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I have to say that these are interesting times. I am excited-for them. That sounds kind of sick, but I want to see what happens over there. I want to see the downtrodden rise up and kick some arse. Why not?


I bet there are the idiots like Chavez, Il, and the jokers in China that are holding their breath.......

IF that can happen in Iraq........:)


The next gov't. may not be the perfect one for the Iranians, but the power of the people is yet to be measured.

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Hey Barack, How is your Supreme Leader doing now?;)

Freedom from tyranny is a hard road to travel.

[Edwina's Secretary]

:D:D:DDelightful:D:D:D

[lizbud]

He was dodging bullets, she was shooting them-to clear the way for her EGO.

She's a low grade politician who has stepped on many toes to get her honorific. Pretty sad to be proud of a title you earned by scamming the people who put you there..


I could share the incident on video if you like. There wasn't much to it.:rolleyes: Certainly not as bad as you make it out to be.It was just
a low key exchange.

[RICHARD]

I could share the incident on video if you like. There wasn't much to it.:rolleyes: Certainly not as bad as you make it out to be.It was just
a low key exchange.

I saw the vid.

It was a low key exchange and the biatch could have had a little decorum and reamed him out off camera. Again, If the Brig Gen had done that to her, people would have castrated him and put his bits on his shoulder boards.

Babbling Baba is an effing disgrace, a slob and I hope to be an ex-politician the next election around.

There is a double standard here. I figured a Smart White Woman in a political seat would have some tact and not bring something as trivial as an honorific up.

The BG was not being disrespectful to her. I wonder if she objects to being called an X-X-AH. Afterall, she did earn that title and works hard to project that image to the public and her constituents.

I spologize on behalf of California for her representation of my fair state.:(

[Edwina's Secretary]

On behalf of the state of California...in which I also live...I do not apologize for Senator Boxer. Senator Boxer holds the record for most popular votes in a contested statewide election so I am thinking I'm not the only Californian who feels that way. And having heard the audio...come on.

How does this mild exchange compare to a married Senator who has sex with an employee/friend's wife? Who rewards his sex partner financially and who gets tipped off by a shady news organization?

Who hasn't yet resigned -- as he insisted Clinton should have done? (Maybe he likes being called Senator???)

Normally...a situation like this would be fertile ground for stupid jokes.

The silence continues.

Btw...how many medals does this general wear? Eisenhower never wore more than five.

But then all he did was win a war.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[lizbud]

I saw the vid.

It was a low key exchange and the biatch could have had a little decorum and reamed him out off camera. Again, If the Brig Gen had done that to her, people would have castrated him and put his bits on his shoulder boards.

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The Officer would not have gotten this far in Military Service if he had
such thin skin that this exchange embarressed him to the point of tears.:)

[RICHARD]

The Officer would not have gotten this far in Military Service if he had
such thin skin that this exchange embarressed him to the point of tears.:)

Now, with all his training and expertise in guns and stuff, would you have corrected him?:D;)

There are two kinds of people that I don't mess with, Harley owners and women who I share any space with. :p

A man's gotta know his limits.:eek:

[Edwina's Secretary]

...There are two kinds of people that I don't mess with, Harley owners...



My Harley is a 1998 anniversary edition Electraglide Ultra Classic. Burgundy and Champaign. She is a beauty.

[RICHARD]

I went from despair to outright joy in the last 24 hours.

The mayor of El Lay is staying here and not running for governor of the state.

Good for the state, bad for lost angeles.

Then, this morning, I went out for the paper and LO AND BEHOLD!!!!!

A coupon for 1/2 off a JITB SMOOTHIE!


I am going to clip it and keep it in my wallet, jut in case!:D

[caseysmom]

Don't send any more governors up from LA please!!!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Don't send any more governors up from LA please!!!

Let me guess...your heart is set on Gavin?;);)

[RICHARD]

On the next episode of "My hair is going gray!"


Sacha and Malika try to hide the fact that Bo has used Mom's ecological, pesticide free, Victory Garden as his own bathroom.

Starring Barack Obama as himself, Michelle Obama as herself and Robert Gibbs as the insufferable patch of blandness in a world full of politics.

Wednesday on ABC.

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I see BO on my TV more than Anthony "I made up my last name' Villaraigosa.

Please, just rule and leave the small stuff to Michele?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Still waiting for Senator Ensign to resign?

[Grace]

Still waiting for Senator Ensign to resign?

And Governor Sanford to find his way home ;)

[mruffruff]

Only South Carolina could "lose" their governor. Found his SUV, though:D

He's expected back at work today. Not sure if that's good news or bad.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Appalachia....Argentina....six of one...half a dozen of the other.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Too too funny. Even his wife and aides don't know where he goes.:D

My favorite is he went for some peace and quiet. Let's see - about a 10 - 12 hour travel - in a plane with restless passengers and crying kids...to a city not exactly known as a place of rest and relaxation. For at most two days and then a long, long flight back. What...no rooms available in the other Big Apple?:D:D

[RICHARD]

Sunday was "Hike Naked Day" - He wasn't on the Appalachian Trail doing his thing, He was in Argentina, doing his thing.:D

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What's easier to overcome?

An extramarital affair?

Of running the country into the ground?:confused: