Politics and religion.

[Pam]

I can't figure out why Hillary expects Obama to pay HER campaign debt?
Weird!!! :rolleyes:

In order for her and Hubby Bill to endorse him. :rolleyes:

[caseysmom]

I know they must, and they will, unite. I just had to chuckle to myself about the trade-off that is going on with the debt and the endorsement.

Sorry folks (Sara and Caseysmom) you won't find me defending any party this go around. I find both candidates equally unacceptable. May just sit this election out...

The big laugh would be McCain lining up with Romney after the way the two of them went at each other during the debates. Strange bedfellows indeed all around. :p

Then we will have to convince you to come over to our side! Come on look at how much better looking Obama is, do you really want to look at McCain for 4 years?

[Edwina's Secretary]

The big laugh would be McCain lining up with Romney after the way the two of them went at each other during the debates. Strange bedfellows indeed all around. :p


Now I know you don't read what I post Pam!;):D

The link is to an article about an appearance McCain and Romney made...:D

[Pam]

Now I knw you don't read what I post Pam!;):D

The link is to an article about an appearance McCain and Romney made...:D

I did read it, but there have been hints on TV and in the news lately that it would make a "good" republican ticket. :rolleyes:

Caseysmom, I hope you were kidding! :eek:

[caseysmom]

I did read it, but there have been hints on TV and in the news lately that it would make a "good" republican ticket. :rolleyes:

Caseysmom, I hope you were kidding! :eek:


Yes of course, just giving you a bad time. But that is how my 17 year old decides who she would vote for :D

[Pam]

Yes of course, just giving you a bad time. But that is how my 17 year old decides who she would vote for :D

Yes and some people even vote for the WIVES they like! No, I would never be one of the people fainting over Obama should I ever be in the audience (which I could never imagine happening in the first place.) LOL! :p

[momoffuzzyfaces]

In order for her and Hubby Bill to endorse him. :rolleyes:

Ah, I see! They are free to the highest bidder, eh? ;):D

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yes of course, just giving you a bad time. But that is how my 17 year old decides who she would vote for :D


Tell your daughter to be careful. Bush junior was the better looking candidate!:D

Do you remember when his dad picked that lightweight from Indiana for veep because he thought his good looks would get the "women's vote?":D:D

I assume McCain will do something similar....:rolleyes:

[Randi]

I saw on the news that B. Obama and H. Clinton are now united - isn't that nice! :) After all, they agree on most things, don't they! And it's bound to be better than having a Republican president.

[lizbud]

In order for her and Hubby Bill to endorse him. :rolleyes:


Hillary has already endorsed Obama & Bill Clinton will too. Personally I
think his feelings were hurt by stuff that happened in the primary races.
He probably thought he really could help her, but I don't think he did.:rolleyes:


All politics involves trade offs, bargaining & compromise. It's rare that any
one person is on the winning side on every political issue.


And yes Sara, it's just like that.:)

[RICHARD]

All politics involves trade offs, bargaining & compromise. It's rare that any
one person is on the winning side on every political issue.




Don't even say that. Pat Paulson was right all the time.

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I was watching BO speak at the NALEO (some alliance for crooked politicians)
And he was doing a Q&A, he stops after one Q and asks about one oh his "homies" that is in the audience...

I loved it.

I can see the press conference if we ever have to do anything military under the watchful eye of the Allpowerful BO.


"Yo, were not feeling that, but do you feel me? We's gonna do a drive by in your hood, and bust some caps in yo, if you don't chill out, Holmes."

Or, as a Republican would say it.

"The bombing of (fill in your not-so-favortie Terrorist Nation here) has begun!":D

[RICHARD]

This came from the idiotic Rock the Vote campaign.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/CelebsonCampaignTrail/ChristinaAguilera_RockVote_1_502.jpg

Encouraging young people to vote is a wonderful idea.

Using the American Flag to swaddle you kid is really a slap in the face of the people who respect the flag. I used to have problems with athletes who would drape themselves in the stars and stripes after some kind of event or game. I got used to it after I saw that they weren't really abusing it or dragging it all over the floor, But, using it as a blanket?

Sorry.:mad:

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IT's like remembering how much you love the flag AFTER you get called on about your lapel fixings.
I really shouldn't notice that, after all, love of country or the qualifications for leading the country do not rest in your jewelry, flying a jet or spending 5 years in a jail during wartime.

[lizbud]

So now Hillary and Obama have supposedly begun presenting themselves as a united front after all of the negative talk during the primaries. Isn't it just a matter of 'you help me repay some of my campaign debt and we (HC and BC) will support you in return.' Am I the only one who thinks this united front is baloney? :rolleyes: Isn't this just old fashioned bribery?

Not exactly bribery.:) I saw this today & though you might like it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/cartoon/2008-07/40594040.jpg

[RICHARD]

This should go into the Favorite Sayings thread but the cartoom reminded me of it.

A baseball manager once described one of his players, who had very large ears as looking like, "A taxi cab with both doors open, driving down the street!":confused::eek::confused:

[Pam]

Not exactly bribery.:) I saw this today & though you might like it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/cartoon/2008-07/40594040.jpg

Good one Liz! :D

[RICHARD]

I was listening to some music and began to play a Don Henley album.
He wrote this song in the mid 80's and thought that it's a kind of timeless piece and really reflects the state of the country now....:(

A Month of Sundays

I used to work for Harvester I used to use my hands
I used to make the tractors and the
combines that plowed and harvested this great land
Now I see my handiwork on the block everywhere I turn
And I see the clouds cross the weathered faces and I watch the harvest burn

I quit the plant in '57 Had some time for farmin' then
Banks back then was lendin' money
The banker was the farmer's friend
I've seen dog days and dusty days;
Late spring snow and early fall sleet; held the leather reins in my hands
felt the soft ground under my feet
Between the hot, dry weather and the taxes
and the Cold War it's been hard to make ends meet
But I always put the clothes on their backs;
always put the shoes on their feet

My grandson, he comes home from college
He says, "We get the government we deserve."
son-in-law just shakes his head and says,
"That little punk, he never had to serve."

And I sit here in the shadow of suburbia
and look out across these empty fields
I sit here in earshot of the bypass and all
night I listen to the rushin' of the wheels
The big boys, they all got computers:
got incorporated, too

Me, I just know how to raise things That was all I ever knew
Now, it all comes down to numbers
Now I'm glad that I have quit
Folks these days just don't do nothin'
simply for the love of it

I went into town of the Fourth of July
Watched 'em parade past the Union Jack
Watched 'em break out the brass and beat on the drum
One step forward and two steps back

And I saw a sign on Easy Street,
said "Be Prepared to Stop."
Pray for the Independent little man
I don't see next year's crop
And I sit here on the back porch in the twilight
And I hear the crickets hum
I sit and watch the lightning in the distance
but the showers never come

I sit here and listen to the wind blow
I sit here and rub my hands
I it here and listen to the clock strike,
and I wonder when I'll see my companion again

[RICHARD]

I was flipping thru the channels and got to the GWB speech at the swearing in of the new citizens today, the 4th of July.


About halfway into the speech I hear the sounds of someone yelling and it takes me about a minute to figure out that it's the morons who go to gatherings where politicians speak and then they try to disrupt the whole ball of wax by interrupting the proceedings..


They spoil a ceremony that had really nothing to do with politics-It's a celebration of people and the hard work that they put into to become citizens.

It's really a turn-off to have people remember a special day - when the president came to speak to you and congratulate you -as the day I became a citizen and some AHs had to make a scene.

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Yep, GWB isn't the most popular person ever to hold office-and everyone has the right to disagree with anything he says or does.

All the anti-war groups, bloggers and media just show how their ignorance and disrespect for the rest of us- all under the guise of self expression.

I cheer for the cops, marshalls and secret service people when they have to carry off these morons- tasers, tear gas and clubs should be the order of the day.

Not for speaking out against a person or the politics they do not like- but, for acting like stupid, ill mannered cretins who can't behave at a function.

[Medusa]

I'm w/ya on that one. There truly is a time and place for everything. Let our new citizens have their day.

[Pam]

I was flipping thru the channels and got to the GWB speech at the swearing in of the new citizens today, the 4th of July.


About halfway into the speech I hear the sounds of someone yelling and it takes me about a minute to figure out that it's the morons who go to gatherings where politicians speak and then they try to disrupt the whole ball of wax by interrupting the proceedings..


They spoil a ceremony that had really nothing to do with politics-It's a celebration of people and the hard work that they put into to become citizens.

It's really a turn-off to have people remember a special day - when the president came to speak to you and congratulate you -as the day I became a citizen and some AHs had to make a scene.

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Yep, GWB isn't the most popular person ever to hold office-and everyone has the right to disagree with anything he says or does.

All the anti-war groups, bloggers and media just show how their ignorance and disrespect for the rest of us- all under the guise of self expression.

I cheer for the cops, marshalls and secret service people when they have to carry off these morons- tasers, tear gas and clubs should be the order of the day.

Not for speaking out against a person or the politics they do not like- but, for acting like stupid, ill mannered cretins who can't behave at a function.

Richard I was just watching that too and couldn't agree more with what you said. Why do these stupid people have to spoil what is a special day for others.

[Grace]

Richard I was just watching that too and couldn't agree more with what you said. Why do these stupid people have to spoil what is a special day for others.

I also agree there is a time and place for everything. However, most of the time the current President goes to events that have massive security checks - you cannot get in unless you sign in blood that you worship the ground GWB walks on. Even then you will be subject to an FBI check going back 100 years.

Perhaps the people involved today figured this was the only opportunity they were ever going to get to let him know how they feel?

[RICHARD]

Clinton came to visit the preschool my SIL works at, the SS, LAPD and other law agencies heavily screened the people that work there.

The gen public who get tickets or are part of the audience have a cursory screening done as part of their admission to the event. There is no way to possibly screen out people who are there to disrupt an event.

Barring goofballs who are dressed in pink- the Code Pink buffons and searching people for hidden signs, shirts with anti war slogans or an idea that they are going to disrupt or try to shout down any one making a speech is patently un-American - and does infringe on their right of free speech, But I think asking them to be respectful to others that are part or being honored at a ceremony or graduation is a matter of common sense.

There is a certain lack of respect for decorum for their fellow man - some protestors think they are entitled to wrecking the day for the rest of us...It's not a right, it's a show of ignorance.
If I went to an antiwar demostration and began to shout down a speaker I can guarantee you that some 'peaceniks' would have no problem kicking the shiat outta me-the same people who profess to believe in the "Love, Not War" attitude.:confused:

I am not a religious person, but would never think of crashing a Sunday mass because I think that abortion is O.K. or I agree with same sex marriages.

In San Francisco a church service was crashed by some knuckleheads dressed as nuns because of some stupid religious rule.

I am more apt to listen to an opinion or cause when it's presented in a way that doesn't verge on hysteria or ruin any meeting, ceremony or gathering.

More often than not people look, point and laugh at who these people are.

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Check out the news programs. I'll give you the standard report.

"Protestors were escorted from the citizenship ceremony that GWB spoke at today."

Nothing about their stand, exactly what they were protesting about or what their views are/were.

It had all the impact of passing gas in a crowd.

Some people noticed, some wrinkled their noses and some just ignored the whole incident- and in the end, the smell faded into thin air.

[lizbud]

Obama's plane had to make an unscheduled landing today when the pilot
reported problems with manuvering (sp) the plane. :eek: It landed ok.


I've been watching McCain lately & he honestly looks older every time
I see the guy. He reminds me of a wind up toy the way he walks around
the stage.

[Pam]

I've been watching McCain lately & he honestly looks older every time
I see the guy. He reminds me of a wind up toy the way he walks around
the stage.

I agree Liz. From what I understand, through reports in the media, he is not very agile due to the injuries he suffered in Viet Nam. I heard that his collar bone and some other bones were broken and he can't lift his arms over his head. That might explain the stiffness.

[lizbud]

I agree Liz. From what I understand, through reports in the media, he is not very agile due to the injuries he suffered in Viet Nam. I heard that his collar bone and some other bones were broken and he can't lift his arms over his head. That might explain the stiffness.


Yes, I am aware of his war injuries but it's more the way he takes small
steps & is constantly in motion the whole time he's talking.:confused:
It's very distracting from his message.

[RICHARD]

I'd shake too if I was being 'interviewed' for that job!:eek:

[RICHARD]

Here's a good one.

Pet owners were polled and 42% are in favor of JM for pres, as opposed to 27% for BO.:p

[Pam]

Here's a good one.

Pet owners were polled and 42% are in favor of JM for pres, as opposed to 27% for BO.:p

Does anyone know what kind of pets, if any, either of them has?

[caseysmom]

Does anyone know what kind of pets, if any, either of them has?

I believe McCain has a bunch of pets and Obama has none...I don't really judge Obama on that, in his position how could he care for them or spend any time with them anyway. I think all presidents have to get a dog though so that will change soon:D

[RICHARD]

Does anyone know what kind of pets, if any, either of them has?

The McCains have dogs, parakeets, ferrets, fish and a cat...oh, and turtles!:D

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DUDE!

I just saw Bill Clinton talking about JM and saying that if he were pres, there was the chance that he'd have flashbacks about his being a P.O.W. I guess he was implying that JM wasn't fit to be elected.


Clinton looked really tired and I think he was having flashbacks from his time as a P.O.W....


Prisoner Of Wife.:eek::rolleyes::o

[Pam]

I believe McCain has a bunch of pets and Obama has none...I don't really judge Obama on that, in his position how could he care for them or spend any time with them anyway. I think all presidents have to get a dog though so that will change soon:D

I would imagine that neither candidate has much time to spend at home with pets these days. I do hope that Obama will become a pet owner at some point. His little girls would sure benefit. :)

Richard I can't believe Clinton said that. :eek: I wonder if he has Monica flashbacks! :p

[Grace]

The Obama children have been promised a dog no matter the outcome of the campaign.

[RICHARD]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25600445


Ya think?

I almost made a comment about this yesterday.

First, He opens the kids up to being critiqued, I liked the comment the older one made about decorating her room in the White House should dad win. Do we have to foot that bill?

Second was the hammering BO took about his clothes (LOL, I am not the only one who thinks of the saying "clothes make the man") and his leaving his bags on the floor.

I think that he took more personal hits from his own family than he does from the press-kinda like going to a family reunion and having all your foibles exposed in front of everyone.

HE didn't come off as 'presidential' as he wants us to think-I had a friend who lived in the same kind of household, three woman and one man-the dinner invites to me stopped as the kids got older-during the table conversations they'd kid dad about his house habits and I could tell that it bothered him.

Guys with dreams of 'big offices' don't want people to see what their weaknesses are-BO is a good example of that.

The consultant who suggested the interview is probably looking for a new gig right about now.:eek:

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I wonder when we'll get to meet JM's family?:p

[momoffuzzyfaces]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25600445



First, He opens the kids up to being critiqued, I liked the comment the older one made about decorating her room in the White House should dad win. Do we have to foot that bill?



Yep, the new first family get to decorate the White House the way they want. Every first lady gets new dinnerware and silverware and everything else they want. I'm sure the first kids get to do their thing too!!!:D

[lizbud]

Jessie Jackson is apologing all over the place for crude comments about
BO that were overheard in an open mike at a political gathering. I wish he
would just disappear from public view for a long, long time. What the heck
does he do for a living anyway?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/hot-mike-catche.html

[RICHARD]

Jessie Jackson is apologing all over the place for crude comments about
BO that were overheard in an open mike at a political gathering. I wish he
would just disappear from public view for a long, long time. What the heck
does he do for a living anyway?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/hot-mike-catche.html


JJ collects money from unions to speak at events.

JJ and Al Sharptongue have been very silent in the previous months. I think that they have a little of the 'presumptive envy' because BO was able to do something that they tried and were unsuccessful.

It's a guy thing-they are ticked off and have no intention of playing second fiddle. Some of the 'luster' that they had hoped for in their pres campaigns was stolen by this rookie senator with little political experience, compared to their media/BS/political savvy.

JJ said what he felt and his apology was pretty weird.....He starts to list 50 years of civil rights dates, marches and laws.

What does that have to do with crumbing on someone you don't see eye to eye with?

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LOL, Poor BO.

He went on the Today Show with his tail tucked-HE's so caclulated with his campaign and he slips up by going on a dopey entertainment show. The kids said nothing that would hurt his run for office.

It's his bloated ego and desire to be "the man".

Sorry Chucky, you messed that one up.:rolleyes:

[lizbud]

JJ collects money from unions to speak at events.

JJ and Al Sharptongue have been very silent in the previous months. I think that they have a little of the 'presumptive envy' because BO was able to do something that they tried and were unsuccessful.

It's a guy thing-they are ticked off and have no intention of playing second fiddle. Some of the 'luster' that they had hoped for in their pres campaigns was stolen by this rookie senator with little political experience, compared to their media/BS/political savvy.

JJ said what he felt and his apology was pretty weird.....He starts to list 50 years of civil rights dates, marches and laws.

What does that have to do with crumbing on someone you don't see eye to eye with?

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You are dead on right with your reading of JJ.:) Talk about egos, his is
completely over the top.

BO speaks out about black fathers who are absent from their childrens
lives & the effect that has on the Black community, and JJ wants to
attack BO for it. At least BO speaks the truth, just like Bill Cosby does.

[RICHARD]

At least BO speaks the truth, just like Bill Cosby does.


And that's why BC gets a short shrift from the public.

The one thing that people do not want to hear is the truth. People do not want to hear about the problems in their background/ethnicity/group.

Instead of bucking up and admitting to a problem, it's far easier to claim that you are being mistreated and misunderstood. It's everyone else's problem, not yours.

In today's newspaper a woman is suing the LAPD for shooting here husband because he was black.

Do you think that crashing into a tree, refusing to get out of the car, then running from the vehicle with something that looked like a gun MIGHT have had something to do with his death?

Probably not.

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Bring Taser To Every Speech.

Do you remember "Don't tase me, bro?"

They should warn people that asking stupid questions like "What do you think about Viagra?" should be met with either a beating, pepper spray or a taser in the butt. Hey jerkweed, do you talk to your parents that way? This law will and can be repealed when the candidate's kids start making them look human during a press interview.:rolleyes:

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As for JJ wanting to cut off some of BO's body parts....I think that MO already has them displayed on the fireplace mantle.

I wonder where McCain's reside?;):confused:

[lizbud]

Bring Taser To Every Speech.

Do you remember "Don't tase me, bro?"

They should warn people that asking stupid questions like "What do you think about Viagra?" should be met with either a beating, pepper spray or a taser in the butt. Hey jerkweed, do you talk to your parents that way? This law will and can be repealed when the candidate's kids start making them look human during a press interview.:rolleyes:

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As for JJ wanting to cut off some of BO's body parts....I think that MO already has them displayed on the fireplace mantle.

I wonder where McCain's reside?;):confused:



Hey, they asked HC's daughter about her father's conduct & she wasn't
even a candidate for office.:confused:

And JM's body parts are in his wife's purse. She has all the money in that
house.:)

[RICHARD]

Notice that Cindy never carries a purse.....She probably needs one of those rolling suitcases!:D:eek:

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I stand corrected on the "Viagra" question.

Again, the media feeds you the edited version of the question and answer that JM was asked earlier today.

The newsheads all made it sound like someone had asked the PRESUMPTIVE-who thought of that stupid phrase?-candidate, JM about why some health plans cover the costs of Viagra and not BCPs.

With no presentation of WHY Mac was left stumbling around for an answer, the question was left to my imagination-A scenario like the BC debacle, "Boxers or briefs, Mister President?".

It wasn't when I saw the total clip this afternoon.....about 4 hours after the news channels were showing a stuttering JM trying to find an answer.

IT was a fair question.

[RICHARD]

A few days ago the front of the El lay Daily News had a pic of BO and the Mayor of the town doing the 'fist bump'.

Because I know that no one on PT is "hood" or has street cred let me explain the other meaning of the fist bump.;)

On it's own, when one person makes that motion, it's an crude street signal meaning "procreation".

The FB is some kind of 'cool' greeting that you see on street corners and places where there is no formality.

I had to laugh when I saw the furor over the cover of the New Yorker.
You started the fist bump and the other problems for yourself, Yuk it up! The O's are looking for that little bit of cool that will endear them to everyman and everywoman.

When it shows up as "satire", the O's choke back any comments, instead leaving it to the handlers to be indignant. When you open up a door, always make sure you can get it closed, lest someone see where you hang out.

LOL, didn't people get upset when Mohammed was portrayed as a cartoon.
I think we have another uprising because a 'god' was depicted as a pen and ink caricature.....:confused:

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In another thread, its funny when you try to get a sewage plant named after a politician. But, when you hold the carnival mirror to another politico, their spleen bleeds and the leeches stuck to their shins start to complain.

It's racist, UnAmerican, hateful! It's the same freedom of speech we all freely love and flaunt-but you can't laugh about either idiot who wants to be prez.....

Get over your bad selves. 50 percent of the county will hate the person you vote for in November. I don't take it personally, but someone else will.;)

[Pam]

On it's own, when one person makes that motion, it's an crude street signal meaning "procreation".


Get over your bad selves. 50 percent of the county will hate the person you vote for in November.

To your first comment Richard - - - :o:eek::o:eek: :D

And to the second - Ain't that the truth! http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/2.gif

[momoffuzzyfaces]

It's racist, UnAmerican, hateful! It's the same freedom of speech we all freely love and flaunt-but you can't laugh about either idiot who wants to be prez.....

Get over your bad selves. 50 percent of the county will hate the person you vote for in November. I don't take it personally, but someone else will.;)

Um, we have another person who wants to be prez.... Bob Barr deserted the Rep party and has been popping up hither and yon running as the Liberitarian canidate. You remember them, they are the Ross Perot people.
I'm so fed up with both parties he's starting to look better all the time.

Silly me!!! I thought the fist bump was just something replacing the high five.
You know opening the entire hand is soooooo exhausting and all!!! ;):D

[Medusa]

Silly me!!! I thought the fist bump was just something replacing the high five.
You know opening the entire hand is soooooo exhausting and all!!! ;):D

So did I. Every day I discover that there's so much I don't know.

[Grace]

Um, we have another person who wants to be prez.... Bob Barr deserted the Rep party and has been popping up hither and yon running as the Liberitarian canidate. You remember them, they are the Ross Perot people.
I'm so fed up with both parties he's starting to look better all the time.

Silly me!!! I thought the fist bump was just something replacing the high five.
You know opening the entire hand is soooooo exhausting and all!!! ;):D

Ross Perot did not run on the Libertarian Party - in 1992 the Presidential candidate for the Libertarians was Andre Marrou.

Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders.

It is the third largest political party in the United States.

My husband is a Libertarian. After watching Bob Barr on one of the Sunday talk shows, he doesn't look too bad to me. Certainly no worse than either of the other candidates.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Sorry the info I heard was wrong then. They said that Ross Perot was the first to run on the Libertarian Party ticket.
I just did a search and he ran on Reform Party, not Libertarian.
All I know for sure, is after he ran, we can no longer be Independents here in KS.
When I had to re-register after I moved, I could no longer be an Independent. This was in 2006. Now I am Unafiliated! :)
(i still consider myself as an independent no matter what my voter registeration card says)


By the way, who is this T. Boone person I keep seeing ads from?

[Grace]

Sorry the info I heard was wrong then. They said that Ross Perot was the first to run on the Libertarian Party ticket.
I just did a search and he ran on Reform Party, not Libertarian.
All I know for sure, is after he ran, we can no longer be Independents here in KS.
When I had to re-register after I moved, I could no longer be an Independent. This was in 2006. Now I am Unafiliated! :)
(i still consider myself as an independent no matter what my voter registeration card says)

By the way, who is this T. Boone person I keep seeing ads from?

I would be furious if I couldn't register as an Independent. Bet the ACLU could help with that.

T. Boone Pickens - Here You Go - (http://www.boonepickens.com/)

[lizbud]

So did I. Every day I discover that there's so much I don't know.



You guys don't actually believe Richard's explanation of the fist pound do you? :)

[momoffuzzyfaces]

You guys don't actually believe Richard's explanation of the fist pound do you? :)

With Richard, I never know what to believe!!!! ;):D

Been watching the news again. I really need to stop that. It's so bad for my blood pressure. I can't understand why it's so hard for congress to grasp the fact that we need to drill for oil here and we need to look for alternative sources too. Ok, so if it takes 5 years or more to get the oil we'd better get off our behinds and start NOW!!! What would we do if our forgeign oil suppliers decide to cut the supply off for some reason? :(

[Pam]

You guys don't actually believe Richard's explanation of the fist pound do you? :)

Why not, would Richard lie to us? :p He did say it is a form of "street talk" and I don't think either one of us is savvy in that area. :)

[RICHARD]

Why not, would Richard lie to us? :p He did say it is a form of "street talk" and I don't think either one of us is savvy in that area. :)

Come out and spend a week in da hood, ya know what I'm saying?:confused:
Any of you homies want to come out to the East Side and roll with the Rickster?:rolleyes:

LOL, that sounded really stupid!


Seriously, I worked with a guy that had quite a few sales reps in to our office.
If a good looking woman came in he'd look over at me and do the 'fist pump' as a little sign of "female appreciation"!

When loading the gun in a tank, the loaders take the round, place it in the breech and use their fists to ram/seat it before the breech is closed.

"Ramming it home".

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There are some things that should remain mysteries to all of you upstanding, taxpaying citizens. And they are not suitable for print here.:eek:


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If anyone noticed the price of oil went down a few cents after the hated GWB announced that he'd lift the ban on drilling in the Gulf.

But good old NP will do her best to keep us all down. MORON.

[Edwina's Secretary]

If anyone noticed the price of oil went down a few cents after the hated GWB announced that he'd lift the ban on drilling in the Gulf.

But good old NP will do her best to keep us all down. MORON.

Interesting but totally wrong.

The stock market DID take a huge plunge -- closing at its lowest in two years -- and it was even lower earlier -- plunging afer GWB's pep talk on the economy this morning.

Here's the reason for the drop in oil prices (and it was dollars -- not a few cents...:rolleyes::rolleyes:)


But crude oil abruptly fell under $138 a barrel on worries that a slowing U.S. economy would sharply curtail demand for gasoline. A similar concern was raised in a new forecast from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.



Just about as accurate as your explanation of the fist bump....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I see you are signing your post with a new name!

[RICHARD]

Interesting but totally wrong.

The stock market DID take a huge plunge -- closing at its lowest in two years -- and it was even lower earlier -- plunging afer GWB's pep talk on the economy this morning.

Here's the reason for the drop in oil prices (and it was dollars -- not a few cents...:rolleyes::rolleyes:)



Just about as accurate as your explanation of the fist bump....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I see you are signing your post with a new name!

I have more street cred in my fist pump than what you think a fist bump is.

Come out and roll with the gals in my hood. You have to learn how to drink outta a 40-or you have to go home.:eek::rolleyes:


That's my gang name.

[lizbud]

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There are some things that should remain mysteries to all of you upstanding, taxpaying citizens. And they are not suitable for print here.:eek:




Oh Richard. The stuff you come up with.:rolleyes:


The fist bump (pound,DAP) is just a informal form of greeting used instead
of the more formal(openhanded) handshake. It's not even a Black thing.
It's been used for years.

[RICHARD]

Oh Richard. The stuff you come up with.:rolleyes:


The fist bump (pound,DAP) is just a informal form of greeting used instead
of the more formal(openhanded) handshake. It's not even a Black thing.
It's been used for years.

Because I know that no one on PT is "hood" or has street cred let me explain the other meaning of the fist bump.

On it's own, when one person makes that motion, it's an crude street signal meaning "procreation".

The FB is some kind of 'cool' greeting that you see on street corners and places where there is no formality.

I then went on to explain the 'Loading the cannon/howitzer/gun' motion, one half of the FB and how that can be construed as a crude reference to sex.
For the years that I have been a Mexican I have never seen anyone in my hood do the bump. Maybe the "one potato, two potato" vertical fist slam, but not the "head on" bump.

THis and the stupid gang sign schtik I know. I can do Black and Mexican.
Russian and Vietnamese gangs are more problematic.

I don't know their alphabets.:rolleyes:

I can read graffti too!:)

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I took a sex ed class with my then GF. It wasn't a toy party or some stupid private teaching seminar.


I got some real college credits for it. It was one of the best classes that I ever took, not so much for the material, but for the way it was presented. The worst part of the class were the just out-of-high-school retards that thought everything was funny. They laughed at the trannys that came in, the gynecologist that passed out IUDs, diagphrams and condoms, the S&M gal-she was a hot redhead with blue eyes-I didn't laugh at her, she'd kick my arse....;)

I learned enough and probably more than I wanted to. If you go back in history and know the 'power' behind the hand, why the handshake came about, the symbolic meaning of a fist,
what it "means" in sex ed class you'll slap your head.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I guess that means the man is this photo is a homie who wants to have sex?

http://pinkdome.com/archives/bushkour.jpg

[RICHARD]

I guess that means the man is this photo is a homie who wants to have sex?

http://pinkdome.com/archives/bushkour.jpg


Are you dumb?
Fuzzy balls are involved.

And what is GHWB doing with that chickie babe?

[Edwina's Secretary]

And what is GHWB doing with that chickie babe?

Well duh!!!...he is doing fist bumps.

Try and keep up RICHARD....:p:p

(and no, I am able to speak quite well...)

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I guess that means the man is this photo is a homie who wants to have sex?

http://pinkdome.com/archives/bushkour.jpg

Doesn't that mean they want to terrorize a tennis court? :confused:;)

[JenBKR]

I guess that means the man is this photo is a homie who wants to have sex?

http://pinkdome.com/archives/bushkour.jpg

Absolutely.....isn't that what EVERY man is after? :p

[lizbud]

Doesn't that mean they want to terrorize a tennis court? :confused:;)



Right you are momo,they definately look like terrorists to me. :D

[RICHARD]

And I thought I was juvenile.

The handshake supposedly started in medievel times.

Knights extended their right hands to show that the were unarmed. The custom grew to the shake.

The "fist shake" was a signal to an opponent out of range that meant you were going to open the whoop arse on them.

Everyone know the "pluck yew" story about the middle finger.

Street gangs use more of a finger signing to denote gang affliation.

I also know some good vulgar sign language too.

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Just as I thought. It's the white upper class, tennis playin' gangstas that are effing up the country.

Morons.

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And just for the record, Did I mention or suggest that BO was a terrorist?
I merely stated that he did the fist bump and was criticized for it.

I'd love to see the post where I said that.

ES, you can't play.
You are so far left you circle the planet.

[lizbud]

[I]Because I know that no one on PT is "hood" or has street cred let me explain the other meaning of the fist bump.

On it's own, when one person makes that motion, it's an crude street signal meaning "procreation".




How can you believe you know about the personal lives of all PT people?
We may all live in "hoods" & do our own knuckle bumps all the time.

I think you are confusing the one person motion with a Italian hand
& fist gesture that displays contempt, among other things.:eek:

[RICHARD]

How can you believe you know about the personal lives of all PT people?
We may all live in "hoods" & do our own knuckle bumps all the time.

I think you are confusing the one person motion with a Italian hand
& fist gesture that displays contempt, among other things.:eek:

Are you giving me the "mal occhio" or whatever they call it?

I know enough hand signals from around the world to know what is what.

Step closer, I'll show you the Three Stooges sign for Ocular Impairment.

One, One, One, One......

[RICHARD]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/wcStory?contentId=8118850#story=8350038

NFL hiring experts to spot gang signals

by FOXSports.com Updated: July 16, 2008, 2:51 PM EST

Concerned that some of its players are flashing signals related to street gangs, the National Football League has hired experts to examine game tapes and identify the hand gestures, a newspaper reported Wednesday.

"There have been some suspected things we've seen," NFL vice president of security Milt Ahlerich told the Los Angeles Times. "When we see it, we quietly jump on it immediately, directly with the team and the player or employee involved to cease and desist. Period."

Ahlerich says the NFL has long warned its players about the influence of gangs. Concern intensified after Denver Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was gunned down following an altercation involving known gang members in 2007.

The concern was raised with first-year players at the recent rookie symposium, and a video on the dangers of gangs was shown to every player in the league last year.

"Guys come from all over the country, and who knows what they're really doing?" Jacksonville Jaguars receiver Dennis Northcutt told the paper.

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Another reason I hate tennis.:o

It's another showcase for hand gestures people don't understand.:eek:

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The NFL can fix the problem by arresting the Oakland Raiiders.

[RICHARD]

Since no one claimed the prize we are going to roll over the amount and this week's amount is 27 cents.

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Here's a new definition-

Re-define- A really nice word because flip-flop means you lie to the public.

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The NFL also banned the use of bandanas by players/playas because of the meaning behind them. Colors and the way they were worn were also signs of gang affliation.

The funniest part of the 'furor' behind the 'hand signs' is that the sports morons/writers were trying to figure out what constitutes a gang sign.

Try sideline and post-TD celebrations?

I had to laugh when a sports show panel member tried to explain it away as guys just being stupid and kids asking their parents, when they see it happend during a game, "What does that mean?"

The kids know more than the parents do.

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I loved the BO assertion that his wife shouldn't be considered part of the media blitz behind his run for office.

You can leave her home or tell her not to speak at any kind of public function.
You can't stuff the genie back into the bottle.

And what does "judgement to lead" mean?

Is that the 'slogan of the month'? Or a push for votes in Europe and the Middle East?;)

[Edwina's Secretary]

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Here's a new definition-

Re-define- A really nice word because flip-flop means you lie to the public.



How typical of the ultra-right! Never admit you are wrong. Isn't that what "right" means?????
:D:D

Some people think (gasp!) and listen to other opinions and (gasp again!) change their position or ideas. Some people learn things and grow and change.

Others never allow a new thought or new information to cause them to "flip-flop."

BTW...will the NFL be hiring you to share your vast knowledge of the meaning of hand gestures? :rolleyes::rolleyes::D

[lizbud]

BTW...will the NFL be hiring you to share your vast knowledge of the meaning of hand gestures? :rolleyes::rolleyes::D


Oh, for sure. :rolleyes: He's probably on the payroll already.:D:D

[RICHARD]

This is kinda off the subject....


Does anyone know if channelling Arianna Huffington leave any lasting effects?:confused:

[Grace]

This is kinda off the subject....


Does anyone know if channelling Arianna Huffington leave any lasting effects?:confused:

Why don't you try it and let us know . . . . .

http://nymag.com/daily/politics/images/2006/10/061003_huffington_560.jpg

[RICHARD]

Why don't you try it and let us know . . . . .



NO thanks, My dignity and self esteem aren't much, and I am stupid enough to keep playing word games with people. Why lower myself one more rung on the evolutionary ladder?

I have suffered enough already.:o

[lizbud]

Why don't you try it and let us know . . . . .

http://nymag.com/daily/politics/images/2006/10/061003_huffington_560.jpg



LOL :D I love her accent. Do you know her family nationality?

[Grace]

She's Greek, born in Athens.

[lizbud]

She's Greek, born in Athens.



Ah, Greece, the birthplace of democracy. Interesting.:) Thanks Grace.

[lizbud]

A funny bit of news trivia today. Politics, ya gotta love it.:D


White House Accidentally E-Mails to Reporters Story That Maliki Supports Obama Iraq Withdrawal Plan

July 19, 2008 1:29 PM

The White House this afternoon accidentally sent to its extensive distribution list a Reuters story headlined "Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan - magazine."

The story relayed how Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told the German magazine Der Spiegel that "he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months … ‘U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes,'" the prime minister said.

The White House employee had intended to send the article to an internal distribution list, ABC News' Martha Raddatz reports, but hit the wrong button.

The misfire comes at an odd time for Bush foreign policy, at a time when Obama's campaign alleges the president is moving closer toward Obama's recommendations about international relations -- sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, discussing a "general time horizon" for U.S. troop withdrawal and launching talks with Iran.

- jpt

[Grace]

White House Accidentally E-Mails to Reporters Story That Maliki Supports Obama Iraq Withdrawal Plan


As the saying goes - there are no accidents.

[lizbud]

Both McCain & Obama had to visit Docters today. Obama has a sore hip
and Mccain had to have a spot taken off his face. (he had skin cancer
before). It's been a long, rough campaign.

[RICHARD]

But he's a talented artist....

lolololololololol.

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Anyone named 'Ludacris', who can't rhyme, can't sing and gets involved in politics has to be talented.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

It's been a long, rough campaign.


I hate to think what either one will look like after 4 years as president!!! Just look at Bush!!! :eek::D

[Grace]

It's also been far too expensive. I read this yesterday in the Boston Globe -


The economy might be tanking, but the presidential campaigns are doing their part to help the bottom lines of TV stations and networks.

A monitoring group reported today that Democrat Barack Obama has spent $27 million on TV ads and Republican John McCain another $21 million since Obama clinched the nomination on June 3 and the general election campaign basically started.

The 100,000-plus airings between June 3 and July 26 are far more than the 77,000 during the same period in 2004, when President Bush and Senator John F. Kerry broke all advertising records for a presidential race.

What a complete waste of money; and the robo-calls haven't yet begun. http://bestsmileys.com/talking/17.gif

[lizbud]

I hate to think what either one will look like after 4 years as president!!! Just look at Bush!!! :eek::D


I know what you mean. :) After the first year or two, the changes appear
start to be very evident.

[RICHARD]

Hi Barack,
First time caller long time listener!

I won a 99 toyota pick up and I have noticed that it kncoks when I start it in the morning, Am I using the right grade of gas? And how many pounds should I inflate my tires to?

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Dude,
You only get your name on money when you get to be president.
Presumptive? I should say so!


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I awoke this morning to the staged protest at the BO speech,

Notice-
No one threw the jokers out for disrupting the speech.
The banner stayed there long enough for people to read what the message was-a jab at BO"s apparent 'talking down' to the black community.
The placement of the banner-just in the right place so EVERYONE-camera included, could see it.
HE stops the speech to discuss the problem with the protestors.
I am waiting to see if the 'protestors' are interviewed to see who they were and why they were there.

That was priceless.
Notice that the fainting groupies stopped showing up as soon as the started to become news fodder.;)

[Pam]

Hi Barack,
Dude,
You only get your name on money when you get to be president.
Presumptive? I should say so!


He does seem to be acting as if he is already seated in the oval office. I agree Richard - presumptive indeed! :rolleyes: It is looking more and more like I will sit this election out. I am a grandmother (how did that happen when I still feel young? ) and I have never done that. Both of these candidates totally TURN ME OFF!! In that case you are supposed to vote for the lesser of two evils. Does that mean they are both evil? :p If so, why should I vote?

[RICHARD]

He does seem to be acting as if he is already seated in the oval office. I agree Richard - presumptive indeed! :rolleyes: It is looking more and more like I will sit this election out. I am a grandmother (how did that happen when I still feel young? ) and I have never done that.


It starts with birds and bees. And the Itty Bitty Look that Alan Jackson talks about. :eek:;)

Sorry to say that the speech he gave at the Dem Convention years ago and hint that he was the 'up and coming' all went to his head.. His media machine are nothing but a bunch of managers -as opposed to saavy media/political consultants. The pundits that keep harping about his 'coolness' and the fact that he keeps bringing the up his 'differentness' make him seem very pompous and vain.

Instead of playing up the fact that his is 'different', he should be touting himself as 'no different' than any of us. His 'prezidenshul" seal (little homage there to the talented rapper Ludacris - a resident on BO's iPod), His comparing his visage to the people on our currency (Hey joker, you can have your face put on the devalued dollar that your tax hikes will pay for) and the comments about being scared about his name and being black are pretty funny and will guarantee him more and more TV time.

I'm not afraid of BO the person,
It's the person he thinks he is, that gives me doubt.:eek:

[lizbud]

Sorry to say that the speech he gave at the Dem Convention years ago and hint that he was the 'up and coming' all went to his head.. His media machine are nothing but a bunch of managers -as opposed to saavy media/political consultants. The pundits that keep harping about his 'coolness' and the fact that he keeps bringing the up his 'differentness' make him seem very pompous and vain.



I'm not afraid of BO the person,
It's the person he thinks he is, that gives me doubt.:eek:


The "uppity black dude" gives you problems huh?

Get over yourself Richard.:D

[Pam]

Instead of playing up the fact that his is 'different', he should be touting himself as 'no different' than any of us.

Exactly. And it would be in keeping with his political ad where he stands up and says "There is no black America, there is no white America, there is just the United States of America." Saying that he is different seems to me to be the opposite of the way he would like us to feel when we see the ad.

I can't help but feel that he has been handled by some pretty slick people to get where he is now. I am not saying he is not intelligent but I can't believe he rose this far on his own, with very little in the way of experience to do the job he is seeking. Pardon me, those of you who are Hannah Montana fans, but I sort of think it is the same kind of thing going on here. She has skyrocketed to fame and I just don't see exceptional talent. When you have clever people shoving your face in front of the masses day in and day out, sometimes that is all that is needed.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I can't believe he rose this far on his own, with very little in the way of experience to do the job he is seeking.

You mean like a one term Texas governor whose only other qualification was the last name he got from his daddy??:D:D

[lizbud]

Exactly. And it would be in keeping with his political ad where he stands up and says "There is no black America, there is no white America, there is just the United States of America." Saying that he is different seems to me to be the opposite of the way he would like us to feel when we see the ad.




Excuse me a minute Pam, but where does he say he's better than any
of us? In fact, I think he says the opposite by saying, in effect, there is
( or should be) NO difference. There should NOT be two Americas, one black
and one white. Our sameness is that we are all Americans.:)

I am not a huge Obama fan. AS you know, he wasn't my first choice for
President at all.:)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Good point Liz. Obama says he is different from other politicians.

The person who made the reference in an above post took it out of context.

Can you imagine a candidate saying..."I am just like the other money-stealing jerks in office right now!"?????

(With all due respect to Senator Stevens....;-))

[Pam]

You mean like a one term Texas governor whose only other qualification was the last name he got from his daddy??:D:D

Touche' and I think that fact should probably scare you. :p

Liz, not better, just different. I was referring to his statement that he would look different than all of the other presidents on our currency. The report that I heard said that he was referring to the fact that he is black. Why point that out if you want to eliminate the differences? Of course, no one today would look like the presidents on our currency! :p

[lizbud]

Liz, not better, just different. I was referring to his statement that he would look different than all of the other presidents on our currency. The report that I heard said that he was referring to the fact that he is black. Why point that out if you want to eliminate the differences? Of course, no one today would look like the presidents on our currency! :p


O.K., I understand what you are saying.:) McCain is pretty old, but I don't
think even he would look like the former Prezs on currency.:)

Niether of them wear powdered wigs or have facial hair.:)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Touche' and I think that fact should probably scare you. :p



That one was just for you Pam. ;) :D As an Illini I prefer to point out that the only political experience Abraham Lincoln had before being elected president was one term in the Illinois legislature. And he did pretty well in a complex and dangerous time!:D:D

And I think Obama was making a joke about not looking like any president on our money. There are still those who have a problem with his race. I heard some West Virginia voters who said they do not trust people of "the other race" and would not vote for Obama for that reason (at least they didn't bring up his Muslim religion....:rolleyes::rolleyes:)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Today's OC Register (a newspaper to the right of WSJ CSM and Fox News -- put together!) had a editorial about the success of presidents compared to their prior government experience.

Some of the points made in the article - Obama already has more government experience than 3 of the 4 guys on Mount Rushmore. Only Jefferson had more government tenure.

Some of the poorest performing presidents - James Buchanan, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, had extensive government experience.

Teddy Roosevelt had a year as Assistant Navy secretary, 2 years as New York governor and 6 months as vice president.

The writer concluded with a quote from George Bernard Shaw..."Men are wise in proportion, not to their experience, but to their capacity for experience."

[lizbud]

The writer concluded with a quote from George Bernard Shaw..."Men are wise in proportion, not to their experience, but to their capacity for experience."


So true & expressed so well. I like that quote.:)

Can you supply a link to the article? Thanks.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Can you supply a link to the article?

Terribly old-fashion of me Liz...but I like my newspaper -- paper and ink.

But I was able to find it on-line for you here... http://www.ocregister.com/articles/years-experience-government-2111870-president-obama

[lizbud]

Terribly old-fashion of me Liz...but I like my newspaper -- paper and ink.

But I was able to find it on-line for you here... http://www.ocregister.com/articles/years-experience-government-2111870-president-obama

Thanks for the link Sara. I read the local paper also but it has very little
coverage of political or world news commentary. I must search it out online.

Gosh, I really miss Molly Ivins these days.:( I did find an 2006 column she had written. I re-read it just for the wit & humor.:)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/20/ivins.hillary/index.html

[Grace]

This is too funny - but she does makes some sense.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d

[lizbud]

This is too funny - but she does makes some sense.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d


LOL :D My chuckle for the day. I needed that, thanks. :)

[phesina]

Good for her!

Paris Hilton just went up a whole lot in my estimation.

[RICHARD]

The writer concluded with a quote from George Bernard Shaw..."Men are wise in proportion, not to their experience, but to their capacity for experience."


Oh, that is precious!

Does this apply to that fat beesturd they want to execute?

They should let him experience death, he does have proportion.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh, that is precious!

Does this apply to that fat beesturd they want to execute?

They should let him experience death, he does have proportion.

Wrong thread RICHARD. There is one about the execution elsewhere. Try and stay on topic! :D

[RICHARD]

Wrong thread RICHARD. There is one about the execution elsewhere. Try and stay on topic! :D


Once upon a time there was a Asian restaurant in So Cal named Sam Dang Ting's.
A writer for the Auto Club newsletter, who wrote about the eatery asked the owner about the name of the establishment, and what it meant, the owner told him that it meant the Sam Dang Ting in English.

Politician?
Criminal?

Sam Dang Ting!;)

[lizbud]

The Obama plane problem I posted about last month was a lot more serious
than officials made known at the time. Wow, that would have changed
everything.:eek:


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Politics/story?id=5581453&page=1

[RICHARD]

You'd think that both these idiots would have learned thier lessons about talking to 'men of the cloth'.

Between the stuttering, the amused look on the codger's face and the smarmy pastor's "slickness" I lost interest rather quickly.


Leave it to some self proclaimed religious Cuckoo Clock to put together a self-promoting event at his own 'church'.

Morons.

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LOL, did anyone ever find out about the idiots who interrupted the BO speecha a few weeks ago?

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Betcha BO had the windows open on the plane and his ears caught the wind....emergency? I should say so!

[Pam]

Leave it to some self proclaimed religious Cuckoo Clock to put together a self-promoting event at his own 'church'.

Morons.



I'm sorry you feel this way Richard. I have read Rick Warren's book and it gives one plenty of food for thought as to what is important in life and why we are here in the first place. He is a gifted writer and teacher and he and his wife are doing good things for children who have become orphans through HIV/AIDS in Africa. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=3983833&page=2

I am having trouble with your description of him as a *righteous cuckoo clock.* I guess only in the next life will we able to see who was righteous and who was not. "Judge not lest ye be judged."

I agree that there are many TV preachers today who have no message other than "let's all feel good and get rich." Rick Warren is not one of them. The Evangelical vote is important to both sides so I believe it was important for these two men to open up as to where they stand on some issues that may not seems important to others but are to evangelicals. It was a more personal two hours than we will see in the upcoming debates, and I will be watching those as well.

[lizbud]

Pam, I had not heard of Rick Warren before this event, but I was pleasantly
surprised. It was meant to be a conversation on religious values & touched
on some heated moral questions that face this country today. It was very
well done & now I'm glad I didn't blow it off & not watch.

I thought Obama did a good job of talking about his personal convictions
and how Christian teachings influence his world view. McCain, on the other
hand, tended to slip off message & lapse into the old political stump speaches
he perfers to give. All in all, it was helpful & sometimes revealing to see how
they think.

[RICHARD]

I'm sorry you feel this way Richard.

Here in Cah Lee fuh nee ah you have about 13,000 different religions.

After a while you hear of them all and they still don't make any sense at alll-The Fractured Blessed Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ Community Outreach and Botica (Mexican Herbal Pharmacy).

On the 4800 block of Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood there are three different churches within spitting distance of each other. The Scientologist HQ, the Self Realization Church and another church that I never saw opened during seven years of walking by it almost every day.

In a two mile radius there were about 20 different churches that worshipped some sacred body part, saint, god, brain function or miraculous miracle.

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I had never heard of Warren before and just thought he was another run of the mill 'pastor'. I should have known something was up when there was no mention of time shares at the religious amusement park he was building!:confused::rolleyes:

[Pam]

I thought Obama did a good job of talking about his personal convictions
and how Christian teachings influence his world view.


One of them being that it is OK to kill babies in the womb? How does he reconcile this with "his Christianity?" Well, I guess it's OK if one chooses to make up their own Christianity as they go along. I think he'd do well to do some reading in *the Book* he says influences his thinking. He didn't get that world view from that Book.

[lizbud]

One of them being that it is OK to kill babies in the womb? How does he reconcile this with "his Christianity?" Well, I guess it's OK if one chooses to make up their own Christianity as they go along. I think he'd do well to do some reading in *the Book* he says influences his thinking. He didn't get that world view from that Book.


Oh gosh Pam, you & I would never agree on the pro choice/pro life
argument. I believe I am a Christian in good standing, but certainly
believe each and every woman should be able to have the right to
make this choice for themselves.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I am a Christian too. I too believe abortion is not the answer. But I also know that if a woman really wants an abortion, she will get one; no matter if it's legal or not. Sometimes going to places that are unsanitary and dangerous.

When you hear of babies being thrown in trash cans and killed by their mothers that's a big hint something is not right in our society. Is it better for a little one to never draw a breath or be born and tortured to death?

A woman who has an abortion has to live with what she has done her entire life and, I believe, for eternity.

My solution is education. I don't mean handing out condoms either. I'd go to the grade schools and get the girls that are 8 or 9 and start teaching them what happens during abortions. Teach them that their actions have coinsequences and show them what those may be.

I'd show films and show the process and what happens to the babies. I'd probably have the kids so scared they wouldn't want sex until menopause. I'd also teach them that if they should get pregnant, they have options like giving the baby up and who to talk to.

I'd also teach them that life is precious and sacred and should not be ended lightly.

You need to teach the girls early because they are getting into trouble early. I myself, could have been a mother at 10 years old. Back then though, we didn't even know what sex was at that age.

We have become a throw away society and have lost touch with feeling for others. Somehow we forget that what we do can hurt other people. (even unborn people)

[caseysmom]

I don't believe someone who is pro choice necessarily would choose to have an abortion or thinks it is okay, they just want the choice for women.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I ask this question -- not to start anything but because I want to understand.

How is it that abortion is against the Bible, but killing people after they are born isn't?

Like the death sentence.
Especially when you think how many have been on death row and then, through DNA or the like be found not to be responsible for the crime for which they were sentenced? It appears our (any for that matter) system of justice is not infallible. Is it okay to kill someone we think is guilty? What if we are wrong?

And war.
We don't like the government of a country. In the case of Iraq, how many hundreds of thousands of people have been killed -- women, children, babies, non-combatants of all kinds? That happens in war. Killing. Look at what is going on in Georgia.

If someone is pro-life, don't they have to be against war and the death sentence?

[caseysmom]

I ask this question -- not to start anything but because I want to understand.

How is it that abortion is against the Bible, but killing people after they are born isn't?

Like the death sentence.
Especially when you think how many have been on death row and then, through DNA or the like be found not to be responsible for the crime for which they were sentenced? It appears our (any for that matter) system of justice is not infallible. Is it okay to kill someone we think is guilty? What if we are wrong?

And war.
We don't like the government of a country. In the case of Iraq, how many hundreds of thousands of people have been killed -- women, children, babies, non-combatants of all kinds? That happens in war. Killing. Look at what is going on in Georgia.

If someone is pro-life, don't they have to be against war and the death sentence?

Good points!

[Pam]

Over the years here at PT this is a subject that has come up many times. While I don't want to get into a long series of posts here I do want to say a few things. I was raised in a family who brought me up in a church where I could learn about God. I have always had a hunger to learn about the things of God, and the church I attended when growing up was a teaching church where questions were encouraged. The study of the Bible is essential in order to see what God's mind is on a subject. He does not change even though our society may and that gives me comfort. There are a couple of verses that I want to quote here that might shed some light on what God's thoughts are on the pre-born person. Perhaps you don't believe the Bible - - well then you need read no further. There are others but I will stop with these two.

Jeremiah 1:5:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;


Luke 1:42:

And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. (This was Elizabeth speaking upon meeting Mary who was pregnant with Jesus. She referred to Mary as the mother of her Lord, who was still in utero, but in Elizabeth's mind she was a mother already.)

(For those who are Catholic you may recall reciting the Hail Mary and the words "fruit of thy womb, Jesus.") The above verse is the source of that prayer. There was Someone very important in Mary's womb. Had she decided to have an abortion (after all, she was unmarried) we would have no Savior.

Yes, I have heard the argument about not bringing a baby into this world to live in poverty. I ask you which is the worse sin - living in poverty or not even getting the chance to be born? Ask a poor person if they would rather be dead. I doubt you will get any yes answers. We would not think of killing a poor living child to relieve their sufferings. What makes man think he has the right to kill an unborn child to save them from future sufferings. Interestingly, often when women are given the option of viewing their unborn child on ultrasound they then realize that they have a life inside of them and many change their minds as if the heartbeat and kicking were not in themselves reality enough of the fact.

Years ago I was reading an editorial in my local newspaper. It was written by a nurse and I will never forget it. She worked in labor/delivery at the hospital where my son was born and wrote about the messed up world we live in where in one room a mother gave birth to a pre-mature child and the doctors were moving heaven and earth to help that baby live. On the very same floor another baby, aborted at the same gestational age, was left to die. She had to leave nursing after that experience.

I am not interested in debating this issues here on this board as I will never see this any other way so nothing will be accomplished by multiple posts on my part.

Regarding war, all that I can say is that the Old Testament is full of wars. Yes God even chose sides - Israel! Jesus spoke of wars and rumors of wars in the end times. If you want to deepen your faith, begin reading Biblical prophecy. It reads like today's newspapers. God is real and His opinions matter. I don't have all of the answers to life but I try my best to learn God's view on a subject. He created me and some day I will return to Him.

[caseysmom]

Pam I totally respect your opinion even if mine differs I have always respected you, your one of my favorite people here. These are things that are close to your heart and nobody here would expect you to change or even have to defend them.

[Pam]

Pam I totally respect your opinion even if mine differs I have always respected you, your one of my favorite people here. These are things that are close to your heart and nobody here would expect you to change or even have to defend them.

Thank you for understanding Caseysmom. :)

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I quess I just don't feel I have the right to tell another woman what she has to do with her body. She has to live with whatever choice she makes. I'd sure try and make sure she chose life for her baby if I could though.

However, if someone really doesn't want a baby, they will find a way to get rid of it one way or another.

I keep thinking of the Susan Smith case. She drove her car into a lake with her two sweet boys strapped into the back seat and drowned them. Just because she thought they cramped her style with a new boy friend.

I can't imagine anything more horrible than the screams of those two babies. you know they were calling for her because "MOM" is always the one we trust to keep us safe. Which is a more horrible way to die? That way or before you are born? I just don't have any answers. :(

[lizbud]

I quess I just don't feel I have the right to tell another woman what she has to do with her body. She has to live with whatever choice she makes. I'd sure try and make sure she chose life for her baby if I could though.

However, if someone really doesn't want a baby, they will find a way to get rid of it one way or another.




I feel the same way. I believe each woman should have the right to make
this decision. Just because it would not be my choice, I feel I don't have
the right to deny this choice to another woman. That's pretty much it.
We each will face God one day & I believe he can judge hearts like no
human ever could.:)

Seems we have strayed from politics into religion & I never try to convert
anyone's heart in religious matters. It's a way too personal issue.:) I can
discuss politics till the cows come home, but I draw the line at religion.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Again, I have no desire to debate or start a rukus. When the subject was brought up, I was just hoping to gain some understanding. I have often ponder the disconnect in either side....can you be pro-choice and anti-death penalty or anti-abortion and pro-death penalty?

Sorry if my question ruffled feathers (or fur.):D:D

But....how does this work
I can discuss politics till the cows come home, but I draw the line at religion when the title of the thread is Politics and Religion? Can you have it both ways? Or do you have to totally separate politics and religion (which would be just fine with me and in line with the constitution)!

[Pam]

....can you be pro-choice and anti-death penalty or anti-abortion and pro-death penalty?

when the title of the thread is Politics and Religion? Can you have it both ways?

Sarah, there are pro-life people on both sides of that issue (death penalty). Capital punishment was practiced in the Old Testament and also in the New Testament (crucifixtions, stonings, etc.) but Jesus often took a different stance when confronted with people who had "sinned." I don't have a good answer for you.

Correct :) the thread is titled Politics and Religion. Richard sort of steered it to its current topic with his comments about the questioning of the two candidates by Rick Warren. I think this has been an amazing thread, considering its length and not getting out of hand and needing Karen to lock it :) as she has had to do with other threads. <<applause>>

[Edwina's Secretary]

There is always another side to the discussion....

According to my OC newspaper..."The pretense of neutrality is really a left-wing illusion. It's a sleight of hand to buy into relativism and somehow Warren seems to have fallen into the trap."

That has to be a first.

[RICHARD]

Richard sort of steered it to its current topic with his comments about the questioning of the two candidates by Rick Warren. I think this has been an amazing thread, considering its length and not getting out of hand and needing Karen to lock it :) as she has had to do with other threads. <<applause>>

Oh,
I get blamed for EVERYTHING!;)


What is a rukus?

[Grace]

Oh,

What is a rukus?

ruckus - a noisy commotion; uproar.

[RICHARD]

ruckus - a noisy commotion; uproar.

oh, I "C".;)

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Pam,

THere were times I wanted to delete the dang thing but I had the same thought that you had.

IT has been a great thread and pretty civil. It's another feather in the caps of everyone who has posted in and read it-we all don't see eye to eye or share the same faith, but it is nice to be able to toss out ideas without the drama.

[lizbud]

But....how does this work when the title of the thread is Politics and Religion? Can you have it both ways? Or do you have to totally separate politics and religion (which would be just fine with me and in line with the constitution)!


Obviously religious upbringing will influence who you are as a person and
possibly influence your view of how the world should be. So they do tie in
together. On specific topics like abortion or the death penalty, you will
always find groups with strickly pro or con views. I respect each choice
and believe we should take it to the ballot box to elect like minded people.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Question: what does the Olympics have to do with when the vp candidates are told?

On the news several times lately they wonder when the candidates will spill the beans and tell who their running mates will be. Seveal different news channels have all said they should wait until after the Olympics.

So, what? People who watch the Olympics will not hear who's running between now and NOVEMBER? :rolleyes:

Do they think the entire country is breatlessly awaiting the big announcements?:confused:

*waves feeble hand* h-e-l---p!!!
:D

[RICHARD]

Question: what does the Olympics have to do with when the vp candidates are told?

On the news several times lately they wonder when the candidates will spill the beans and tell who their running mates will be. Seveal different news channels have all said they should wait until after the Olympics.

So, what? People who watch the Olympics will not hear who's running between now and NOVEMBER? :rolleyes:

Do they think the entire country is breatlessly awaiting the big announcements?:confused:*waves feeble hand* h-e-l---p!!!
:D


IT's the AHs that consult the candidates.

THe people who are hired to run the campaigns have control over everything that 'their' candidate does. If you notice that whenever something goes off-kilter the candidate NEVER gets on the horn to make a statement. It always falls to an advisor speaking on their behalf. It's made to sound like it came from the horses's mouth but it's some speechwriter/ventriloquist that carefully crafts a response that sounds great and can be attributed to the politico-until something goes wrong.

Then they bounce the consultant and get another.

When asked about not releasing the name of the Veep, they'll make a statement like this-

"The announcement for the Vice Pres was delayed as to not take away the spotlight from the fine athletes who are competing on behalf of the United States. Any comment from the campaign would not be fair to these people who have prepared for years and trained for their moment of glory."


As we speak there are phone calls trying to get some medal winners at either convention.:rolleyes:

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Until the election keep track of all the athletes who show up at ralliesl.;)

[lizbud]

Question: what does the Olympics have to do with when the vp candidates are told?

On the news several times lately they wonder when the candidates will spill the beans and tell who their running mates will be. Seveal different news channels have all said they should wait until after the Olympics.

So, what? People who watch the Olympics will not hear who's running between now and NOVEMBER? :rolleyes:

Do they think the entire country is breatlessly awaiting the big announcements?:confused:

*waves feeble hand* h-e-l---p!!!
:D


The news outfits are chomping at the bit to hear the announcments.
Each wants to be the 1st to break the news to all of us lowly peons.:D

Obama is supposedly going to make his VP announcement on Saturday.

[Pam]

Obama is supposedly going to make his VP announcement on Saturday.

Are you still holding out hope that he'll select Hillary? :p Actually out of the names that have been suggested I tend to favor Senator Biden, a man with lots of experience where Obama is weak.

[lizbud]

Are you still holding out hope that he'll select Hillary? :p Actually out of the names that have been suggested I tend to favor Senator Biden, a man with lots of experience where Obama is weak.


No, I wanted her for the top spot. Sen Biden would be a good choice
for the same reasons you chose.

[RICHARD]

Hey,

Why not announce the VP in the middle of the night, when no one will notice!:rolleyes:

[Pam]

Hey,

Why not announce the VP in the middle of the night, when no one will notice!:rolleyes:

I think he was enjoying the power of playing with the media. :rolleyes: Nevertheless, I think he made a wise decision.

[smokey the elder]

One thing that bugs me is not that politicians change their minds about things. Instead of saying, "I changed my mind; I have additional information I did not have at the time I made decision xyz.", they weasel around. I guess they're genetically incapable of honesty...:p

I think Biden is a good choice for Obama, and the compromise they worked out for initiating a roll-call vote and having Hillary call for Obama's nomination is probably the best way to handle a tough situation. Hillary didn't come in second by much at all!

Now we get to wait and see who McCain will pick for a running mate. I'll go out on a limb and guess Romney; no real reason, just a gut feeling. Mainly due to his business experience, I guess. If you want to balance the budget, treating the Federal government like a business may not be a bad place to start.

As far as religion goes, I agree with some things and disagree with others, and no amount of debating will change my mind or someone else's. This is why I think politics and religion don't mix well. Politics by its nature is open to debate. Religion...not so much.

[RICHARD]

This is why I think politics and religion don't mix well.

Kinda like Kool Aid and Nutrasweet?:D


I had a thought when I saw the paper and they had 10 people on the front page and their had their comments about Biden.

7 were in favor, two against and one didn't care.

The number one reason for their support of Biden.

He made BO a stronger candidate and made up for his inexperience.

Are these the same people who had such problems with GWB being a figurehead for the country, while Cheney ran the whole show?

I had to laugh at the people who were concerned about the backseat driver.
All of a sudden they have pinned their hopes on a -

Back seat driver!

I may just give up...:rolleyes:;)

[RICHARD]

I'll take some heat for this one......

I tuned into the coverage of the Dem Convention and I saw Ted Kennedy and immediately thought of......


http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1001299456/tt0085334

I know his illness is serious and not funny but I could not stop giggling.:rolleyes::eek:

[momoffuzzyfaces]

:confused: Ok, I'm lost. His illness reminds you of the movie, A Christmas story ? ??

[Catlady711]

One thing that bugs me is not that politicians change their minds about things. Instead of saying, "I changed my mind; I have additional information I did not have at the time I made decision xyz.", they weasel around. I guess they're genetically incapable of honesty...:p

I don't think many of them are honest, I'll give you that. But I don't believe that they 'change their mind' so much as sway with whatever activist group is holding the most money and votes over their heads.



You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

[RICHARD]

:confused: Ok, I'm lost. His illness reminds you of the movie, A Christmas story ? ??


No, I couldn't find a picture of him giving his speech last nite. When I first looked I thought it was a skit from a comedy program.:confused:

[momoffuzzyfaces]

No, I couldn't find a picture of him giving his speech last nite. When I first looked I thought it was a skit from a comedy program.:confused:

Oh, when I clicked on it, I got pictures from the movie A Christmas Story. No comedy skits either. :) I thought you might have thought he looked like the kid in that movie or something.

[RICHARD]

I thought you might have thought he looked like the kid in that movie or something.

HE does!

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I just flipped on CSPAN and saw a Qand A with a gal named Palmieri the veep of COMMUNICATIONS for some group called the Center for Amercan Progress?

Why do people insist on speaking in front of a group and when they improvise they cannot speak with out doing the Ummm and Uhhhhs?


This drives me friggin bonkers. You can tell that they are trying to give an answer that is PC and won't make them look stupid when in fact their ummms and ahhhs just add to the effect!

When they get to a question that they are pre programmed to answer they can recite it verbatim-because they practiced it many times over-

One question was about McCain -she was able to verbalize exactly what was wrong with his candidacy -same with BO's wonderful run. But asked specific questions about BO she began to stutter and back into the "he wants change' spiel. The other direct answer was about how JM wanted to raise taxes but she could not give a good answer, sans umms and ahhs, regarding BO's tax plan.


If they only knew how much of a turn off they are when they stumble thru answering questions or giving speeches!:rolleyes:

[lizbud]

I didn't get to see the first day of the Dem. convention, but did see
Hillary give her speech last night. Great speech she gave. I still believe,
politics aside, she's proven herself to be a classy lady and I'll support
Obama for President. As she said last night, this election is MUCH to
important for American families to bicker over two people who share
basically the same ideas for a better country.:)

[Pam]

I didn't watch Hillary or Bill speak but I did watch Kennedy and last night I watched Biden. I kept thinking to myself "why isn't he at the top of this ticket?" *sigh*

[RICHARD]

Here's a small point that I want to make that you can revisit in one, two three and then four years.


Two things that make me laugh and think about how stupid the cheering throngs sound.


Oil and healthcare.



BO and JB are on the idea that raising the taxes for the oil companies will lower the price of gas.

This is another kneejerk reaction from the side that thinks a monetary levy will solve the gas crisis? From the same group that doesn't want wind mills or solar panels blocking their views. And the madame secretary is glad that everyone forgot her private jet/ government paid carbon footprint


The other thing is affordable health insurance for the masses.

Dream on! There will never be any affordable health care from the government because they are the government. The number one reason that doctors, health plans and insurance companies go not want to deal with them is that the gov't. drags their feet to pay, the docs and hospitals are governed by a thing called DRGs which tell the health providers that illnesses that require hospital stays are paid for up until a certain day.

THe last hurdle to affordable health care is the law, lawyers and litigants.

People watch too many stupid TV shows about hospitals and doctors that they think HOUSE could treat anyone. A sad sack physician-hack like that would last as long a passing gas in a bubble bath.

Maybe that is the answer.....

Sending people to TV doctors and then making them abide by the script.;)

[RICHARD]

Just tripped thru the BO show tonight and I love the way he sent out the message to the rest of the world.

Did I hear him correctly say that we should not have entered Iraq and focused on Osama?


Oh man.........Should he get elected the first thing we should prepare for is another 9/11 style attack.

BO has already stated that he would "talk" to the enemies of our country.
The people who are supporting him generally scoff at the idea of going to other places and looking to knock off AHs that present a problem to us.

GWB and the U.S. got schooled with our own aircraft.

OBL and any other screwball will be looking for that challenge again-and to test whoever follows in the White House.

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He's going to end the war, but we should have gone after OBL, but are we going to talk or defend ourselves next time?


Promises, promises.

I'd rather elect someone who would tell me the truth-

"We are going to try and change (insert your peeve here) and I need your help. I need you to sacrifice for the future. Change will not come tomorrow or next week. Change takes time."


Not some dope, who endlessly stresses a 'change' as some kind of magic word that dosen't mean anything when the clown magician comes off stage.

NOPE.....both candidates are idiots and we are the idiots who hang on every word and promise and return a vote for a dream and a promise-all fluff, no substance!

For what change? How? Why? What will it cost me, you, the rest of us?

We'll know who it is in a few months, a few months after that the curtain will rise on another passion play.

The only difference is the Star of the Show.
And all the while half of us will sit star struck having forgotten all the promises for and about change.

The other half of us will sit in the audience with our hands covering our faces.....



Break a leg, nitwits!

[Pam]

Just tripped thru the BO show tonight and I love the way he sent out the message to the rest of the world.


Richard, whether or not we like the man, last night's event was spectacular. He truly has great oratory abilities. If his governing talents wind up matching his speaking skills he will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. My only negative thought about last night as I watched it unfold was that it cost a bundle. My goodness, the sheer magnitude of turning the stadium into a convention site and then the price for the security that was stepped up to the zillionth degree must have been over the top, not to mention the fireworks display at the end. Yes, it was a spectacular event to behold. I do believe that he will most likely be our next president and only hope that his deeds can match his eloquent words. That remains to be seen.

Now we wait for the news of McCain's #2 man. The Republicans will have a tough act to follow and they might even have to change some plans due to Gustav.

[Grace]

Now we wait for the news of McCain's #2 man.

Or woman ????

[Pam]

Or woman ????

Yes, it looks like SHE has been announced. *sigh* :confused: She is a first time governor with next to no experience and he is 72 years old. It is not a stretch to think that she could wind up as President some day. Scares the you know what out of me....

[Puckstop31]

Yes, it looks like SHE has been announced. *sigh* :confused: She is a first time governor with next to no experience and he is 72 years old. It is not a stretch to think that she could wind up as President some day. Scares the you know what out of me....

Brilliant move by McBush. Just simply brilliant.

I cannot wait to watch the VP debate. Sarah Palin is going to mop the floor with Biden.

Plus, McBush has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. So the chances of Palin being the first female POTUS, assuming McBush wins, are good.


Obama last night boasted he can't wait for the debates. Me either. He is a great orator, when he has a teleprompter. He makes all his mistakes (read: he tells us who he REALLY is) when the teleprompter is off.


But choosing Palin as his VP... Just awesome!!! I'd did not think he would do it, just because it was the move that makes sense.

[Puckstop31]

Yes, it looks like SHE has been announced. *sigh* :confused: She is a first time governor with next to no experience and he is 72 years old. It is not a stretch to think that she could wind up as President some day. Scares the you know what out of me....

Yes, her lack of experience will be an issue. But she has no less experience than Obama. LOL

But why I like Palin the most is she QUIT political jobs because the Republicans around her were corrupt. If she sticks to that and calls out the corruption... We would be blessed to have such a person as the POTUS.

[Pam]

Couldn't disagree with you more Puckstop. Biden will make mincemeat out of her in the debates. What was McCain thinking? Looks like political suicide to me.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Wow! Is McCain channeling George Bush The First? Picking a candidate based on demographics instead of qualifications?

GBI thought women would vote for him with Dan Quayle on the ticket (because he was pretty - though I never saw that.)

Now McCain picks a woman to woo the Hillary women (aka The Sisterhood of Traveling Pantsuits.)

Rather obvious. I suppose she will show up at her first "national" outing in a pantsuit!

[smokey the elder]

That sure put the cat among the pigeons! Well, I'm oh-for 2 in VP guesses.:p I guessed Evan Bayh and Pawlenty (Polenta?:)). Quite a coup for McCain to pick a relative unknown woman governor from Alaska as his running mate. So we're going to have a black President or a female Vice President for the first time ever.

I do like that Palin has a history as a gadfly. This concept of loyal opposition is often lost anymore.

[Pam]

GBI thought women would vote for him with Dan Quayle on the ticket (because he was pretty - though I never saw that.)



Awww c'mon Sara. He was prettier than Pretty Boy Edwards. :p I can't believe you and I are on the same side of this. :eek:

[Edwina's Secretary]

Awww c'mon Sara. He was prettier than Pretty Boy Edwards.

I like men with a little meat on them. Both Quayle and Edwards were too scrawny for my taste...;);):D

[Edwina's Secretary]

And she doesn't even spell her first name correctly!:D;):rolleyes::D

[Puckstop31]

Couldn't disagree with you more Puckstop. Biden will make mincemeat out of her in the debates. What was McCain thinking? Looks like political suicide to me.

We shall see I suppose. Biden is clearly the more experienced guy. But he has exploitable weaknesses. Foremost being he is longwinded. IMHO, Biden is also a very arrogant man. If Palin plays it right, she her self is a clever debater, she can make him look mean.

It will be very interesting to watch.

I've had my eyes on Palin for a long time. I just hope that she can resist the urge to end up like every other Washington DC politican. I hope she can stick to her roots.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Now McCain picks a woman to woo the Hillary women (aka The Sisterhood of Traveling Pantsuits.)

I don't care how many people he waves in front of me wearing skirts (or pant suits either for that matter), I won't vote on any one just because of their gender!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Besides, she's the cookie who is suing the Fed Government over the polar bears. :rolleyes: Isn't that a conflict of interest? She running for a Fed Government job now, eh?

AND he keeps squawking about Obama having no experience to be President. At least OB is a Senator not just a first time Governor. There is a very good chance she will end up as President before McCain's term is out just due to his age.

[RICHARD]

I like men with a little meat on them.

Is that a Monica Lewinsky joke?

Palin hunts, fishes and did a stint with Monty Python, Perfect!;)

LOL, I wonder who she'll take out bird hunting.


Pam,

On Wednesday, I started to listen to the voting and when the states were 'role called' the speaker for the delegates were so over the top with their spiels I tuned out. "I represent the great state of Confusion, Home to indecision, breakdowns and lethargy. Confusion is the birthplace of antidepressants, Uppers and four o'clock martinis! We also grow green pitted olives!"

Please, vote and let's move on.

BO talks a great game.

As PS31 and I have said before-He's 'on his feet' thinking irks me. The teleprompter is his friend and I cannot listen to someone with so much education umm and ahh his was thru a speech. He sounds like a suspect on COPS being asked about a crime......."So, why did you run?" "Umm, I was afraid!" "Afraid of what?" "That you were ummmmm chasing me!"

Spectacles are good, like the half time shows at a football game, the opening ceremonies at the Olympics, or a good 4th of July fireworks show.

I'd love to see a good off-the-cuff speech in a corn field with no teleprompter-Oh, I do want to see porta potties for the crowd.

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Break it down like this.


340 million people in the US.

How many are women, how many can vote? Howl are Republicans?
How many will vote. And how many will vote for a woman?

There are some disenfranchised women voters who would vote "WOMAN' no matter which party had a woman on the ticket.


BO has an aide that used to be a football player. I cannot remember his name.
during the interview he did for a TV show he stated that he got into politics and the onto the BO team because he wanted to work, "for a guy that looked like him." Hmmmm, I wonder what he meant by that?

The BO run has been fraught with innuendo about race-but when a black guy hints about it there's no comment. Try that with McCain- I want to work with him because he's white! I want to volunteer for Palin because she has a va-jay-jay! I want to volunteer for Biden because he looks like that creepy, no talent Bill Maher! And I saw that Rev. Al had to come out -now that the coast was clear and try to inject his brand of stupidity on what was a milestone in American politics.


MORON.


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Ack, I just saw a movie about a woman who the president appoints to replace the VP who is dies. I cannot remember the name of it....it was good.

[RICHARD]

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/billmaherarianna.jpg

http://ts3.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=2474563736010&id=77892ad9f245153d97b8015e7dc32f99


I had to pick the Arianna/Bill Maher picture. IT cements the thought about her choice in men. Always a loser.;)


Everyone knows about my aversion to politicians with parts in their hair......I hereby add to that list, 'old guys with receding hairlines".

[Pam]

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/billmaherarianna.jpg

http://ts3.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=2474563736010&id=77892ad9f245153d97b8015e7dc32f99


I had to pick the Arianna/Bill Maher picture. IT cements the thought about her choice in men. Always a loser.;)


Everyone knows about my aversion to politicians with parts in their hair......I hereby add to that list, 'old guys with receding hairlines".

Richard, I wouldn't want you to have to identify anyone in a line-up! :p

[RICHARD]

Richard, I wouldn't want you to have to identify anyone in a line-up! :p

LOL,
Stay out of trouble-that's all I have to say!

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I am going to toe the line here and say something about the press and the stupid AHs that will bug SP about her run.


Wait for the questions!

If we asked Bill Clinton about "boxers or briefs" what will this poor gal have to put up with?

Thongs or Granny panties, padded or underwire?, Then toss in the real deal stuff-abortion, child abuse and ??????

We will see how rude and disrespectful people will be towards this gal.:rolleyes:

I don't watch Jay, Dave or any of the other late night shows.......this should be interesting.:mad:

[Edwina's Secretary]

Is that a Monica Lewinsky joke?

Palin hunts, fishes and did a stint with Monty Python, Perfect!;)

LOL, I wonder who she'll take out bird hunting.


Pam,

On Wednesday, I started to listen to the voting and when the states were 'role called' the speaker for the delegates were so over the top with their spiels I tuned out. "I represent the great state of Confusion, Home to indecision, breakdowns and lethargy. Confusion is the birthplace of antidepressants, Uppers and four o'clock martinis! We also grow green pitted olives!"

Please, vote and let's move on.

BO talks a great game.

As PS31 and I have said before-He's 'on his feet' thinking irks me. The teleprompter is his friend and I cannot listen to someone with so much education umm and ahh his was thru a speech. He sounds like a suspect on COPS being asked about a crime......."So, why did you run?" "Umm, I was afraid!" "Afraid of what?" "That you were ummmmm chasing me!"

Spectacles are good, like the half time shows at a football game, the opening ceremonies at the Olympics, or a good 4th of July fireworks show.

I'd love to see a good off-the-cuff speech in a corn field with no teleprompter-Oh, I do want to see porta potties for the crowd.

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Break it down like this.


340 million people in the US.

How many are women, how many can vote? Howl are Republicans?
How many will vote. And how many will vote for a woman?

There are some disenfranchised women voters who would vote "WOMAN' no matter which party had a woman on the ticket.


BO has an aide that used to be a football player. I cannot remember his name.
during the interview he did for a TV show he stated that he got into politics and the onto the BO team because he wanted to work, "for a guy that looked like him." Hmmmm, I wonder what he meant by that?

The BO run has been fraught with innuendo about race-but when a black guy hints about it there's no comment. Try that with McCain- I want to work with him because he's white! I want to volunteer for Palin because she has a va-jay-jay! I want to volunteer for Biden because he looks like that creepy, no talent Bill Maher! And I saw that Rev. Al had to come out -now that the coast was clear and try to inject his brand of stupidity on what was a milestone in American politics.


MORON.


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Ack, I just saw a movie about a woman who the president appoints to replace the VP who is dies. I cannot remember the name of it....it was good.


At least I can say one thing for you RICHARD....can't understand what you are trying to say...but you do close with "truth in advertising!"

[RICHARD]

At least I can say one thing for you RICHARD....can't understand what you are trying to say...but you do close with "truth in advertising!"

Are you missing the sarcasm gene?

You sound like a politician, You only make one point and you repeat it time and time again.

My posts do not come with a translation-I feel that it's catering to a select few.

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Here, let me make a comment that you can yell and scream about.....It's so politically incorrect that I had a good chuckle about it.


Sarah Palin is a hottie. She's good looking in that Woman-instructor/teacher way. The gal that you'd day dream about in class......What does she look like with her hair down? Why the jackets all the time? Thongs or bikinis?


Read it slowly and with some gusto.....:rolleyes:

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sorry RICHARD...doesn't bother me that you can identify a good looking woamn. I agree with you she is attractive. If she was homely, McCain would not have picked her. But then there are not many homely politicians. In our media age -- looks matter.

I once worked with a guy who was very proud he knew latin and ancient greek. So he would create new words and use them in memos. He thought this very clever and that he was smarter than everyone else.

I could never understand. If others cannot understand what you are saying...what's the point?


You sound like a politician, You only make one point and you repeat it time and time again.

Do you mean like someone saying... XIO is an empty suit...over and over again?

Love your new signature....

I guess you missed MY sarcasm? What gene are you missing?

[RICHARD]

What gene are you missing?

Gene Tunney.


BTW, it's all greek to me.

Latin? I went to Catholic school in the days when masses were done in latin, so I cannot feign stupidity. I'll let someone else do it for me.


Please do me a favor and put me on your ignore list. IT seems like you are the only one who cannot understand what I post....I don't seem to remember anyone else commenting about the content.

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Let me cut straight to the chase.


"I don't understand what you wrote' is a never ending complaint you have about what I post. Hmmmm, It's like someone sticking their head into the toilet bowl and flushing it. I have no control over what people do. I only pray that they figure out that it does no good and hope that if they continue to do so, they make sure the bowl water is relatively clean.

I skip over the stuff I don't want to waste my time with and do not complain about the words or opinions in a post......I can live with people that way.

So again, I invite you to ignore what I post. I'd feel rather badly if your ganglia or synapes should explode.:eek::(

[Edwina's Secretary]

So again, I invite you to ignore what I post. I'd feel rather badly if your ganglia or synapes should explode.:eek::(

Nope. My ganglia are just fine.

Too many people are willing to just shut up while others spin "stuff".

[lizbud]

Brilliant move by McBush. Just simply brilliant.

I cannot wait to watch the VP debate. Sarah Palin is going to mop the floor with Biden.





Whoa there bub, in your dreams.:D Biden has the Irish gift of gab and
can speak to any group & connect very personally. He doesn't have the
flourish that Obama has, but he can hold his own with anybody.:)

Oh, and having a person (woman or man) who is a total unknown be a
heartbeat away is downright scary. The only thing I know about her so
far is she endorses drilling in Federally Protected Wildlife areas in Alaska.:mad:

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Whoa there bub, in your dreams.:D Biden has the Irish gift of gab and
can speak to any group & connect very personally. He doesn't have the
flourish that Obama has, but he can hold his own with anybody.:)

Oh, and having a person (woman or man) who is a total unknown be a
heartbeat away is downright scary. The only thing I know about her so
far is she endorses drilling in Federally Protected Wildlife areas in Alaska.:mad:

She also goes moose hunting! And is a member of the NRA, Now you know something else about her. I really hate killing animals for sport. :(

[lizbud]

She also goes moose hunting! And is a member of the NRA, Now you know something else about her. I really hate killing animals for sport. :(


Well, she's under investigation in her own state for using her clout to get
her State Trooper BIL fired from his job. She's to be deposed soon in the
court case. Wonder what else comes out about McCains pick?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[RICHARD]

Well, she's under investigation in her own state for using her clout to get
her State Trooper BIL fired from his job. She's to be deposed soon in the
court case. Wonder what else comes out about McCains pick?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Hmmm,
They were doing an "ethical cleansing" of the department. Did we ever consider that some stupid cop may be using their pull and office to intimidate their spouse/ex-spouse? Is that permitted on a police force? Or do we wait until a sworn police officer busts a cap into his or her ex and kills the kids?
I am way past the not guilty until proven point. Let's see exactly why he got fired and then we can talk about this?



We don't know the facts and I have to wait the 7-10 days before I pass judgement on a story like this one.

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Can Biden's wife even ride a snow machine to a world championship?

Could Biden even shoot a gun? Eat a moose? Do a sports report? play basketball? Win a beauty contest? Pop out 5 kids? Look hot with his hair up or down?

NO, no and no.

I wonder how SP would look in a camo hunting outfit?

Yummy!;)

[Puckstop31]

Whoa there bub, in your dreams.:D Biden has the Irish gift of gab and
can speak to any group & connect very personally. He doesn't have the
flourish that Obama has, but he can hold his own with anybody.:)

Oh, and having a person (woman or man) who is a total unknown be a
heartbeat away is downright scary. The only thing I know about her so
far is she endorses drilling in Federally Protected Wildlife areas in Alaska.:mad:


Biden... We will see. :) I very much look forward to it. It really can go either way.

I LOVE the idea of a regular person, not yet destroyed by the Washington DC insanity being that heartbeat away. You wanna talk about CHANGE? I think you put too much faith in the 'experience' of our 'leaders'.

As for drilling in the ANWR. have you seen pics of where they want to drill? On the extreme North Slope? On ONLY about 1000 acres? It is barren nothingness. IIRC, the ANWR is about 1.5 million acres. Drilling there will disturb about 1000. The technology is available to drill SIDEWAYS.

Believe me, I am a lifelong hunter/fisher/sportsman. My memberships in the NRA and National Wild Turkey Federation have and always will do WAY more for preserving and renewing habitat than the sierra club could dream of. I CARE about our environment and habitually contribute to its defence. Not with words, but with my time and money. The government will never do anything REAL to help.

[Puckstop31]

She also goes moose hunting! And is a member of the NRA, Now you know something else about her. I really hate killing animals for sport. :(


Why? What is more free range and natural than that? What is more in tune with nature than stalking and hunting game? It is difficult and more times than not, the game wins.

[Puckstop31]

Well, she's under investigation in her own state for using her clout to get
her State Trooper BIL fired from his job. She's to be deposed soon in the
court case. Wonder what else comes out about McCains pick?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

What Richard said.


And, if this is all they got on her.... She is squeaky clean compared to ANY other DC politician.


Yes, you libs should be VERY afraid of this woman. The press will dig, and dig and spin and spin... I doubt they will find anything that sticks. Because like I said, I am confident that the only way you really smear this woman is to lie. And lies always see the daylight, sooner or later. (read: Don't worry, Bush will have his day in court... sooner or later....)

[sparks19]

So basically what I have gathered so far is that no one knows anything about her.... so she is all wrong for the position? Do some real research on her before determining that she isn't good enough.

All I see is a bunch of ladies complaining because she's pretty.

[Puckstop31]

All I see is a bunch of ladies complaining because she's pretty.

People are always jealous of the champ. ;)


Love ya babe. :love:

[Pam]

So basically what I have gathered so far is that no one knows anything about her.... so she is all wrong for the position? Do some real research on her before determining that she isn't good enough.

All I see is a bunch of ladies complaining because she's pretty.

She has been governor for less than two years - I believe it is something like 20 months. Before that she was mayor of a small town. Her resume is thin to say the least. There must be thousands of ordinary every day women in this country with the same, or more impressive credentials. Beauty or lack of it is not the issue here. It is the lack of experience of someone a heartbeat from being president.

[sparks19]

People are always jealous of the champ. ;)


Love ya babe. :love:

lol :love:

but seriously I'm already tired of people throwing her looks in her face. I don't hear any women complaining because obama is an attractive man. that he isn't covered in age spots and wrinkles. it's OK for him... but how dare a woman politician be pretty. Darn her.

let's move onto something else other than her physical beauty.

[sparks19]

She has been governor for less than two years - I believe it is something like 20 months. Before that she was mayor of a small town. Her resume is thin to say the least. There must be thousands of ordinary every day women in this country with the same, or more impressive credentials. Beauty or lack of it is not the issue here. It is the lack of experience of someone a heartbeat from being president.

So finally someone who isn't a lifelong politician.

Perhaps if more REAL ordinary people ran for president this nation would be a better place. Instead we are stuck between two parties who are both corrupt. perhaps it's time for REAL people to step up to the plate.

I'm not going to discount here yet after a half a day.

[Edwina's Secretary]

All I see is a bunch of ladies complaining because she's pretty.


Where do you see this? On your t.v? "Cause it sure isn't on here!

[sparks19]

Where do you see this? On your t.v? "Cause it sure isn't on here!


Since this afternoon I have seen it everywhere. IN articles, on forums, people I talk to. No one can resist bringing up "but she is beauty pageant winner" or "He just picked her because she's pretty"

Insecurity?

[RICHARD]

It is true-the NRA and hunter's groups are more responsible for keeping up ecosystems and hunting grounds because with out those areas that are protected by hunting seasons and limits there will be no more hunting or fishing.

The WWE, Greenpeace and other enviro 'mentalists' want to protect native species. Great, so what do they do? They force areas to be cut off from hunting and fishing. It forces animals into areas where they multiply, reproduce and graze/eat/strip the areas that they are confined to.

Birth rates and the size of the animals shrink because the eat them selves out of resources. It's natural animal birth control.

I don't hunt and have tried fishing, The thought of either makes me glad that I don't have to do it for food! I don't have a problem with sticker/stamp hunting as LONG AS YOU EAT WHAT YOU KILL, because this is such a foreign idea for most of us, we look at moose meat stew from the animal killed in some kind of horror. I try not to think of the chicken I scarfed down the other day. Did you see the video of the cows they used the taser on at the meat packing plant in CA, I could not watch that! In Fillmore, just to the north of Lost Angeles there is/was a place called Egg City. They did a info piece about the scads of "chikins" that lived there. As egg producers and food for us. It makes you think about what we eat and how we could never survive should we have to do it.

It's a matter of perspective.

PS31,

Great post about the 'free range' food. Living in Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah there is something laughably stupid about seeing the woman with silicone buildup, Nike shoes, huge fur jacket, a bluetooth ear set asking the butcher about free range chicken.......she did pull out of the driveway in a HUMMER!

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Change?

A straight shooting (pun intended) Unknown from the state of Alaska? Why not?

OR do we leave it to a mumbling lawyer who can't figure out hate speech in a sermon? His wife that was misquoted because she has been proud of being an American at least once in her life?

A senator who I don't know much about and the other old guy that got shot out of a perfectly good airplane and didn't have the common sense to secure his way out of the Hanoi Hilton when he had the chance? His wife, a millionaire and former drunk who owns a brewery? Somehow, I like the chances of the 'real' people on the ballot.

I'd like to see the old guy and the gal get the industrial sized can o'whoop arse
opened and ready.

It's on baby, it's on!;)

[sparks19]

Is hunting and eating your kill really just killing for sport? LOL

Hubby is going Dove hunting on Monday... and it will be a delicious meal and not subject to living in a cage or going through a slaughter house.

Hey... a successful deer hunting seasons means we don't need to eat any slaughterhouse Beef. :)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Since this afternoon I have seen it everywhere. IN articles, on forums, people I talk to. No one can resist bringing up "but she is beauty pageant winner" or "He just picked her because she's pretty"

Insecurity?

Wow! I hadn't heard or read anyone except RICHARD (and I am rather sure is is no lady!) refer to her looks. She was in a beauty pageant??? Hadn't heard that.

What I have heard/read discussed is her qualifications.

We must listen/read different things.

[sparks19]

and I'm sorry that we aren't part of all the same forums... perhaps I should only read the forums you do. because I am obviously looking for ONLY articles and opinions that include her looks :rolleyes: that must be the case

Giselle made special mention of her being in a beauty pageant... what that has to do with her qualifications I don't know.

I have read about her quite a bit before she was actually chosen for McCain's running mate and it was all very interesting.

Since her "nomination" for VP every article I have read, every forum I have read, just about everyone I have talked to has made mention of her looks, her BP win, and how young she is and have basically said that McCain only chose her because she is pretty.

Perhaps Neither of us are reading or listening to enough "different things" ;)

[Puckstop31]

:D
It is true-the NRA and hunter's groups are more responsible for keeping up ecosystems and hunting grounds because with out those areas that are protected by hunting seasons and limits there will be no more hunting or fishing.

:)

We do more to help the environment than the hippies could ever dream of. LOL




LONG AS YOU EAT WHAT YOU KILL,

Always have... ALWAYS will. You will NEVER seer anthing other than antlers in this house. The rest will be in the freezer. LOL



It's on baby, it's on!;)

:D

Aww yeah.... Can't wait to watch the libs scream. LOL

[Puckstop31]

Wow! I hadn't heard or read anyone except RICHARD (and I am rather sure is is no lady!) refer to her looks. She was in a beauty pageant??? Hadn't heard that.

Somebody is not paying attention. :)


We must listen/read different things.

More true words have never been spoken.


Wait, you 'ignored' me, right? :eek::rolleyes::D

The truth is a Mfer, eh?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Gerald Ford was a fashion model...
Harry Truman was a failed haberdasher...
Lyndon Johnson was a school teacher...
Ronald Reagan was president of his trade union...
George Bush was a college cheerleader...
John McCain was a POW...

All facts we know that have nothing to do with ability to be president.

Women don't get a special pass not to have their history known.

I looked for where Giselle made special mention of Ms. Palin history as a contestant in a beauty contest but I don't see where she made special mention. It was in a list with other items about her.

I have read the newspapers and I have yet to see anyone say this one element of her history does or does not qualify her for the position of vice-president.

And I sure haven't seen...


a bunch of ladies complaining because she's pretty

[sparks19]

Yes... it was in a list that was made to point out why she is not a good candidate. What winning a beauty pageant has to do with that I don't know.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yes... it was in a list that was made to point out why she is not a good candidate. What winning a beauty pageant has to do with that I don't know.

No. It was not a list to point out why she is not a good candidate. It was part of a list describing who she is....


Palin:
- 44 year old mom
- won Miss Wasilla beauty pageant
- majored in journalism; was a sports reporter
- rose from mayor to governor in the past 8 years

Whining should at least be done accurately!

[sparks19]

No. It was not a list to point out why she is not a good candidate. It was part of a list describing who she is....



Whining should at least be done accurately!

We obviously read things and interpret them differently. From my point of view... you are being inaccurate. You claim that no one keeps pointing out that she is only a beauty pageant winner playing politician. Perhaps the things you have read don't say that... many of the things I read DO say just that. Doesn't make me wrong just because you turn a blind eye ;)

sorry LOL I didn't realize that stating that being beautiful doesn't make you incompetent was whining. I suppose the same could be said for being passive aggressive.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

All I see is a bunch of ladies complaining because she's pretty.

Nope! I'm complaining because they seem to think one woman is interchangeable for another. Now if they had crossed lines and appointed Hillary, then I would have been impressed!;)

[sparks19]

Nope! I'm complaining because they seem to think one woman is interchangeable for another. Now if they had crossed lines and appointed Hillary, then I would have been impressed!;)

LOL could you imagine the talk then? I think it would be a frosty day in h#ll before McCain and Clinton would team up lol could you imagine the cat fights in the white house?

it would be interesting to see cindy and Bill in their aprons baking cookies together in the white house kitchen (there was actually a "cook off" in Family circle magazine for all the possible "first spouses" ... who could make the best cookies lol. I will have to look up which cookies Bill submitted lol)

[lizbud]

Nope! I'm complaining because they seem to think one woman is interchangeable for another. Now if they had crossed lines and appointed Hillary, then I would have been impressed!;)


McCain must think that one women is the same as the next.:rolleyes:
He really doesn't get it.

I've heard that the party bigwigs didn't want her to be chosen & this
really is the choice McCain made himself.


This Palin person has the coldest eyes I've
ever seen. Watch her the next time she speaks & see if you see a real
person behind her smile. She gives me a creepy feeling.:eek:

[RICHARD]

That was the first speech that I have sat thru in a while.


IT ROCKED.


But, I was tuned into MSNBC and couldn't figure out their obsession on showing the daughter that is preggers.

I am sure Keith Olberman was salivating and that gal that looks like a matchstick- She's the one that looks like she's a 'puppy voter/closet BO admirer"- Andrea Mitchell couldn't wait to tear her down...


The absolute best part of the speech was her daughter, the youngest one, that stood and waved to the crowd.

[Pam]

That was the first speech that I have sat thru in a while.
IT ROCKED.


I thought so too! I was pleasantly surprised! She seemed completely at ease. I also thought that Huckabee and Guiliano did a good job too - Romney not so much. Boy she really lit into Obama. I can hardly wait to hear the Democratic reaction.

[RICHARD]

I thought so too! I was pleasantly surprised! She seemed completely at ease. I also thought that Huckabee and Guiliano did a good job too - Romney not so much. .


Getting old is no fun...

I was looking at the 'Coming attractions' chyron they had on the screen and saw the HUCKABOO was going to give a speech.


I got my glasses and laughed.;)

[Grace]

Huckabee was fine; Rudy not so much. He was downright ugly at times.

Palin - I must have missed something. All she did was remind me of my 2nd grade teacher - nice woman, but not one I would consider to become President.

[RICHARD]

Huckabee was fine; Rudy not so much. He was downright ugly at times.

Palin - I must have missed something. All she did was remind me of my 2nd grade teacher - nice woman, but not one I would consider to become President.


Of course you wouldn't want to have a second grade teacher run for VP or Prez.

She'd whip our sorry arses into shape with a few time outs and detentions.

Do we read anything about your comments about what kind of student you were?;)


LIZ!

You have been looking at too many rock star candidates who's pupils are wide open with the idea of an audience thant hangs on every word!:D


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Oh, I love the pin that said- Change, It will be the only thing left in your pocket!

[Grace]

Of course you wouldn't want to have a second grade teacher run for VP or Prez.

She'd whip our sorry arses into shape with a few time outs and detentions.

Do we read anything about your comments about what kind of student you were?;)


Straight A's - from beginning to end - kindergarten to 12th grade.

[RICHARD]

Straight A's - from beginning to end - kindergarten to 12th grade.

All the more reason to elect a teacher.

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MSNBC had the best announcers/reporters on the planet.


Olberman is a vile jerk with a personality of a cat box offering.

They had a black reporter asking a woman about SP's speech and he said something like, "Wasn't she sarcastic at times?" The gal didn't bother with his question, He lined another one up criticizing SP and then they cut him off to get the Arizona vote without getting the woman's answer.
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MSNBC - Station of the Puppy Voter.:D

[Puckstop31]

Huckabee was fine; Rudy not so much. He was downright ugly at times.

Palin - I must have missed something. All she did was remind me of my 2nd grade teacher - nice woman, but not one I would consider to become President.

Rudy... He was the opening act and did what the opening act does...

We will have to disagee about Palin, I know, :eek:, eh? She just seems so REGULAR. The exact kind of person I want in the White House. A person who knows how we live here in flyover land.

I live in Lancaster, PA. My heart and soon to be my arse is in South Dakota.

[Puckstop31]

Straight A's - from beginning to end - kindergarten to 12th grade.


I had a few B's, but more or less the same. Maybe my experience in the Army (FWIW, combat wounded in Somalia) and being a small business owner makes the difference? LOL :)

[RICHARD]

I live in Lancaster, PA. My heart and soon to be my arse is in South Dakota.


How tall are you?;):D

[Grace]

All the more reason to elect a teacher.


Trouble is there are none running - that I know of. . . . .

[Pam]

This Palin person has the coldest eyes I've
ever seen. Watch her the next time she speaks & see if you see a real
person behind her smile. She gives me a creepy feeling.:eek:

Yep I think there is a very real person behind that smile. Last night was her first time "up at bat" and I am ready to hear and see more. I can hardly wait for the debates. This election is getting more interesting each day. The woman who gives me the creepy feeling is Nancy Pelosy! :eek::eek:

[lizbud]

It's Pelosi Pam. (Italian name) :)

Anywho, Palin's speech was written by a Bush speech writer and has the
same devisive rhetoric of the present Bush/Cheney administration.

Hate sells better than hope for a better,brighter America.:rolleyes:

[JenBKR]

Personally, I like both Palin and Biden.....better than McCain and Obama. Too bad they are not the ones running for President.....

[pomtzu]

Anywho, Palin's speech was written by a Bush speech writer and has the
same devisive rhetoric of the present Bush/Cheney administration.



I'm inclined to agree, however the way she delivered it was just a little too "cutsie and girlie" for me to take her seriously!

[caseysmom]

I actually admired Palin before her speech last night, all she did was insult her opponent, no new ideas and obviously none of her own ideas and what an irritating voice.

[smokey the elder]

Maybe we should try Arthur C. Clarke's Imperial Earthmethod of electing a President: everyone of the proper age and with a 4 year degree's name is put into a giant lottery, and the "winner" gets to be President. The idea being, the person who doesn't want the job might actually do a great job, if only to get time off for good behavior! (The last was a paraphrase of a quote about how they picked the President.)

[RICHARD]

The woman who gives me the creepy feeling is Nancy Pelosy! :eek::eek:

You say Pelosy, I say Pe-lousy....;)

Talk about cutesy and girly!

LOL, she does that eye blink thing that drive me nuts. IT's a young woman thing - "DADDY, Can I have......"

Palin cannot win, especially with so many critics.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!


Either she's too inexperienced, too girly, to manly for wanting to mix it up with the boys.

She's only a week in and everyone wants blood from her, OOPS! Better not use THAT joke.:rolleyes:


Give her a chance.

If you do look at each ticket, flip it upside down. The same thing.

It's our choice, I hope we choose 'wisely'.



STE,
take my name outta the hopper, I don't want none!:rolleyes:

[Pam]

Hate sells better than hope for a better,brighter America.:rolleyes:

Liz, I didn't hear any hate. I heard criticism and sarcasm but that is not hate. I also heard lots of criticism at the Democratic convention directed at the Republicans (What else is new? That's what both sides do at conventions. ) I think that since I am more "on the fence" with this election I am able to view things with less bias and am paying careful attention to exactly what they are really saying.

Caseysmom, her voice reminded me very much of Sally Field. I think if I closed my eyes I might have thought that Gidget was delivering the speech. :)

[caseysmom]

I really enjoyed Huckabee's speech, why isn't he running?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I really enjoyed Huckabee's speech, why isn't he running?

He did run but they picked McCane. :(

[Pam]

He did run but they picked McCane. :(

Yes, at the beginning of his speech last night he said that he was happy to be able to speak at the convention but had hoped he would be giving an acceptance speech tomorrow night (meaning tonight). :)

[caseysmom]

I know he was in the primaries I am just wondering how McCain beat him.

[lizbud]

Maybe we should try Arthur C. Clarke's Imperial Earthmethod of electing a President: everyone of the proper age and with a 4 year degree's name is put into a giant lottery, and the "winner" gets to be President. The idea being, the person who doesn't want the job might actually do a great job, if only to get time off for good behavior! (The last was a paraphrase of a quote about how they picked the President.)


It would be the logical way to do it, but would never happen. Too elitist.

[lizbud]

I actually admired Palin before her speech last night, all she did was insult her opponent, no new ideas and obviously none of her own ideas and what an irritating voice.



Well, I still don't know that much about her, but I do agree about the
voice. To shrill for me to listen to seriously, she hurts my ears.:D

[pomtzu]

Talk about cutesy and girly!

LOL, she does that eye blink thing that drive me nuts. IT's a young woman thing - "DADDY, Can I have......"



It must be a habit she retained from her beauty pageant days. Oops!!! Did I REALLY say that? Sorry but I just couldn't resist. The devil made me do it! LOL

Just kidding folks - don't take me seriously. Just thought a little humor wouldn't hurt. :D

[sparks19]

I know he was in the primaries I am just wondering how McCain beat him.

He made some comment about how they should change the constitution to be more like the bible. and that turned just about everyone off.

[caseysmom]

Yes reading about him now he is a bit too for mixing religion into government for me but I enjoyed his speech.

[lizbud]

It must be a habit she retained from her beauty pageant days. Oops!!! Did I REALLY say that? Sorry but I just couldn't resist. The devil made me do it! LOL

Just kidding folks - don't take me seriously. Just thought a little humor wouldn't hurt. :D


It IS funny and probably true as well.:p

[Puckstop31]

I really enjoyed Huckabee's speech, why isn't he running?


He committed political suicide. He said he would want to amend the Constitution so that it, "looks like the Bible".

[RICHARD]

Did anyone see the Code Pink protestors that were carted out of the convention during McCain's speech?

One of the local radio stations, KABC-AM 790 Lost Angeles were covering the convention. One of the broadcast team was talking to two women who stopped him to ask about him bracelet. He stood in the aisle, chatting to them for a while, when a protestor began to scream at McCain.

Doug McIntyre, the host of the show, was crouching next to a wall near the woman who started the ruckus, when one of the security guards jumped over the wall and kicked McIntyre in the head while trying to get to her.

She was escorted out, along with the two other women who had stopped to chat with the 'bracelet guy'. A few minutes later the security detail came back and tried to throw him out! They thought, because he was talking to the women, that he was part of the group trying to disrupt the gathering.

He was able to show some I.D. and was allowed to go back inside.
It was funny radio and they were joking about it....Just as I said before-I don't care for stupid protestors and their causes, especially when they act stupid. They always cause problems and innocent people get caught up in their BS.

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DUDE!

I can't remember who said this about SP....A woman was breaking down SP's nomination and made a comment that I have only heard women use when they speak 'off the cuff'. It has to do with a woman's sect-shul orientation.
I had to stop and think about what she said-It was a reference to her having to be "strictly-d***ly" now that she was playing with the boys.

Some of the comments made my the media are really funny and show how personal opinions are allowed to tint the news/talk arena.

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This is a question that combines sex with politics-
It's about women and how they react to other women., how men get funny when they support other men and some answers that would be interesting to hear.

Women fight all the time about equal rights, pay, glass ceilings and job opportunties.

So why all the cattiness about SP's voice, her background, her eyes and family? Sometimes I think that the world needs more women in leader positions all across the planet, but you sabotage your own sister's chances.

Politics is a funny game. You have men that curse the other men-the Left and Dems that hate Bush, but profess this weird, almost homo-erotic love for all things and men that aren't Bush. (was that a pun?)

I guess I can see why women get all goofy-nasty about other women, But why do you allow the AH men the privilege to keep the 'girls' down and out? You fight to keep you rears from getting pinched by men in private, but have nothing to say about how they are "groping" and disrespecting a woman politician in public?

I have no problem saying that I like Palin and would follow her anywhere-I saw her jogging in a pair of black leggings-she's a PILF! LOLOLOLOL!

I am tired of the male politicians who treat me as a CILF.

P=politician, C=citizen.

LOL, I love women that pin their hair up, It's fun to imagine what it would look like after a "romp". These are the same ideas that people bring to the table about BO, He talks good!, He's a rock star! He's a snappy dresser! Wow

Because my comments about SP that have nothing to do with politics you may think that it's a typical male reaction, thinking about women with my nether regions. You are correct. I get the stupid jealous feelings when I hear women go on about George Clooney, you'll never meet Clooney, I'm tall, fairly handsome and women are not going to bother us when we go out in public.:rolleyes:

Hey,
If you want to see someone fail, give them the job and watch them crash and burn. Make them earn your disdain. I want a women to get to the second highest office in the world.

Why? CHANGE!

SP is the GOP's answer to the Dem's BO. You can't crumb on either- you are a racist or a misogynist if you do. Both sides will protect their candidates and tout the uniqueness of their backgrounds. If you think that one isn't at home to raise thieir kids, what about the other? What is the difference between a woman who goes out to whore themselves for public office without her kids?
What about BO and family values? Why does he get a pass when he whores for office? Oh, the man is the PIMP!

Politicians kids are a hoot anyways, Gore's son, Amy Carter, the Bush Gone Wild duo-that is huge pun waiting to happen-were all kids that slipped a little because dad wasn't home or didn't give them enough love?

I am for a woman to have a turn at the dirty world of politics. Women worshipped at the knees of Bill Clinton, It's time for men to get an opportunity at the foot of a woman......;):eek::)


THAT WAS A PUN!!!!!!

[Medusa]

[QUOTE=RICHARD;2058432] Women fight all the time about equal rights, pay, glass ceilings and job opportunties.

So why all the cattiness about SP's voice, her background, her eyes and family? Sometimes I think that the world needs more women in leader positions all across the planet, but you sabotage your own sister's chances.[QUOTE]


Don't tell me that you've actually bought into the "sisterhood" thing!?

[caseysmom]

Richard, Whats all the cattiness about BO's lapel pen and such, what about the brotherhood? I was stooping to your level:D just for kicks

[Edwina's Secretary]

but you sabotage your own sister's chances

So you think women are so sheep-like they should support a woman BECAUSE she is a woman.

Do I not remember you fussing (as best I could understand it) about blacks supporting Obama just because he is black?

But women should support Palin just because she is a woman?

In my career I have stood up a few times against putting a woman (including me) in a position because of gender. When a woman fails it is all to easy for people to say..."See? I told you a woman couldn't do it!" And it makes it that much harder for the next woman. People should get positions because they are the best qualified.

I too would like to see a woman as president of the United States - or even vice-president. However, not just any woman. And not Ms. Palin.

[lizbud]

So you think women are so sheep-like they should support a woman BECAUSE she is a woman.

Do I not remember you fussing (as best I could understand it) about blacks supporting Obama just because he is black?

But women should support Palin just because she is a woman?

In my career I have stood up a few times against putting a woman (including me) in a position because of gender. When a woman fails it is all to easy for people to say..."See? I told you a woman couldn't do it!" And it makes it that much harder for the next woman. People should get positions because they are the best qualified.

I too would like to see a woman as president of the United States - or even vice-president. However, not just any woman. And not Ms. Palin.


Apparently so.:rolleyes: He's also not alone in thinking that way. It's
really sad isn't it?

[RICHARD]

Richard, Whats all the cattiness about BO's lapel pen and such, what about the brotherhood? I was stooping to your level:D just for kicks


I wear my flag on my sleeve and in my heart, I expect no less from some stupid 'brother'.

A well though out politician would have covered all the bases. I would expect him to lie to me about every little detail.

Stoop?
IDK, just as long as you don't get suckered into genuflecting at the foot of some dopey politician, you can do anything you want.:confused:

[RICHARD]

I was thinking about politics and religion, on their own and together.

Of course, we know of the community activists and governors and how they are being plucked from the bible and set in modern day Babylon.

The Left has this notion that BO is being crucified by the "governor".


Ponitus Pilate ended up washing his hands in the matter because he really didn't want to crucify Jesus Christ. PP was technically a prefect anyway.

IT was the Jews who were looking for their pound of flesh and moved PP into sentencing JC to death...

I saw Susan Sarandon aping the idea that BO is a communtiy activist and
Palin is a governor during a film clip.

Again, this shows how dumb people are when they make statements without researching the facts. LOOK IT UP.

The same people who are slamming the GOP for bringing religion into the presidential race have elevated their candidate to the position of a Jesus-like community activist and rightly so. JC was born, disappeared for 30 years then popped up on the scene, a relatively unknown entity, who rallied he masses with miracles and prayers. BO was born, showed up a few years later as a ..............a..........er.........Senator?

I have yet to see any modern day activist make people walk, give them their sight back or do the loaves and fishes thing at a rally.

As a matter of fact I tend to look at anyone with a promise of change with a rather jaundiced eye. And we all know they problems that Jesus had with the money changers at the temple.

This post is heavy into the Catholic religion so if you have any questions post them. I'll answer to the best of my ability..

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Politics and religion can be discussed at any time with anyone, as long as they remain calm and don't take opinions as a personal slam. An opposing opinion will not make me think any less of a person. As a matter of fact, they make me think much harder about things.

I have shot myself in the foot many times and have no problem telling the 'doctor' how stupid I am.

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Going back to the women in politics.

I was thinking about how many voters stood behind a woman as the madame secreatary of the "House of Representin'" and the single digit approval rating she managed to sink Congress into.

No one will rail against the job she is doing-ah, the bimbette from Cah Lee Fuh Nee ah- and the Dems will look at any critique of her or the job she is doing as an anti-feminist rant and a slam against any and all women.

It is fun to watch people call a woman political candidate names, lie about her past and try to edit her public persona into something else.

You've seen the black clad woman pedaling the bike, with Toto in her basket, around the halls of Congress. SP ain't no Dorothy, But she don't run a room full of flying monkeys.


That's friggin scary.:eek:

[RICHARD]

I saw a retraction from ABC and Charles Gibson about the Palin interview.
In part?

"The ABC News department wishes to apologize on behalf of Charles Gibson for his inaccurate definition of the Bush Doctorin'.

He He was merely inquiring about Palin's grooming and dipilatory practices.
Gibson was reprimanded for his stupidity and will no longer be participating in any political news stories. He will be allowed to cover and interview trees and plants in future stories."

[Puckstop31]

Ahhhhhh....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/biden_taxes_3

1.) He just comes out and says they are wealth redistributing socialists.

2.) They are using the same tactics they decry. Goebbels and Goering both talk about using "patriotic" overtones to get the masses to do what they want.

3.) Do they really not understand the idea as to how the economy works? Can't they see what happens if you tax the wealthy and large companies more? or do they just not care, because they are looking for their moral equivilant of war. The thing they need to keep our eyes off the ball and looking instead at the evil <insert whatever here> that is to blame for our woes.

Of course, in THEIR context its a good thing, right? :confused:

If this was not so serious, it would be funny.

[lizbud]

I saw a retraction from ABC and Charles Gibson about the Palin interview.
In part?

"The ABC News department wishes to apologize on behalf of Charles Gibson for his inaccurate definition of the Bush Doctorin'."





Hummm, may we have a link to that? Can't find that anywhere Richard.

[RICHARD]

Hummm, may we have a link to that? Can't find that anywhere Richard.

Time for theater of the mind.

Close your eyes and think.....Bush-Doctorin'. Bush Doctoring......Not Doctrine, DOCTORING!!!!

He was merely inquiring about Palin's grooming and dipilatory practices.

Got it?:)

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I had to laugh about the Sara Palin email site getting hacked,

A woman news 'presenter' wanted to know if any of SP's emails were of the kind that would be harmful to the vice prez cnadidate.

Now, the same people who are so adamant about the government looking at THEIR EMAILS are having a field day looking into the SP inbox.

If that had happened to them they would be SCREAMING about privacy and looking toward the same government (the one they want to stay out of their emails) to enact some laws to keep their postings under wraps.

How dumb do you want to be?

You want to exchange chain emails, exchange pics of your ugly family, dirty racist jokes and stories to your friends about how you hate your SO, think the person that delivers the office mail is cute and the video clip of the stripper that pulls down a chest of drawers on her head.


You want the freedom to send it all across the planet but don't want anyone to laugh at the wrestling midget video you watch once a week? Then don't bother hitting the send button.

If it happens to you, you will cry for the sky to meet the earth and for a LAW TO BE PASSED to keep your boring Inbox outta sight.

[lizbud]

Time for theater of the mind.

Close your eyes and think.....Bush-Doctorin'. Bush Doctoring......Not Doctrine, DOCTORING!!!!

He was merely inquiring about Palin's grooming and dipilatory practices.

Got it?:)




Clear as mud Richard.:confused: So it was just a pipe dream of yours.:)

[RICHARD]

Clear as mud Richard.:confused: So it was just a pipe dream of yours.:)

What, getting an answer about it? Or Charles Gibson being banned to the local topiary beat at News 9, Your Local Station?

Neither.

Unless Palin pulls a "Spears" we will never know!

I was just making light of CG's question and the way people have reacted to SPs reaction to the inquiry. Gibson sat down and injected his own bias/take to the interview.

Bush Doctrine? Like WTF called the bumbling pres and his questionable conclusions a "Doctrine"? I guess it's harder to pull questions out of your head when you get to Gibson's place in life.

That one must have caused a need for a tube of Prep H. He was stretching for it, all the way. It's way too enjoyable to watch everyone act and be stupid until the 4th of November.

Both sides got tweaked by the question. The Dems got aroused because she didn't know about "the doctrine" and the Reps were bothered by the invention of the term!

And Charlie snickers about the gotcha moment he invented that made everyone waste 3-4 days trying to figure out what the eff a Bush Doctrine
is-Since I thought it was a 'doctorin' question I saved myself some time.

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Both of the FN bobos waste time traveleing to places they wil never visit again, as president or citizen, shaking hands with people looking to get a close look at a saviour, it's the ultimate political/seasonal holiday.

Think about it.

It's like Christmas. You have fake 'blue and red' Santas visiting people and asking them what they want-doesn't mean they will get it. Politicians spend money like home owners looking for the ultimate outdoor decoration -a fake, feel good warnth that masks a nasty attitude for the rest of the year. You get taken by the plastic snowman or the fake reindeer standing on the lawn. And the LIGHTS!!!!

Political ads are like Christmas lights, They waste electricity, they show great promise then you get used to them and don't even bother to pay attention after a while, then you get tired of them and finally pull them down.

The good part?
You can't reuse political commercials!

When the day comes and your guy doesnt' get elected, It's like a run to the tree and finding out that someone saw your list then said, "Tough S, they will get what Santa says and can afford".

On Election day half of us will be ticked off, another group satisfied,

As citizens we get gifts but nothing like we wanted. Then there will be the rich people who can afford to give and get what ever their heart desires. They bought the office seat for a chump that will make it Christmas, for them, every day for four years.

I don't really bother with what ends up under the tree for me. I think I have what I need. What matters to me is the Message Of The Season.

After all, Isn't that what an Election is? Wishing and hoping, then ending up with something you didn't want, and can't return!

Maybe I do like Christmas better.:rolleyes::p

[RICHARD]

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/home-searched-in-palin-hacking-case/180200

That's precious, Dad is an elected official and sonny is hacking personal email accounts.

There goes the family name!:rolleyes:

[sparks19]

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/home-searched-in-palin-hacking-case/180200

That's precious, Dad is an elected official and sonny is hacking personal email accounts.

There goes the family name!:rolleyes:

:O you mean alaskan hillybilly's have internet

[momoffuzzyfaces]

He was merely inquiring about Palin's grooming and dipilatory practices.

Got it?:)



So, what business is it of his if she shaves her legs or not? :p :rolleyes:

[Puckstop31]

FWIW, I weep and yet rejoice when I see Biblical Prophecy being fulfilled.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080923141957.0wwwqogq&show_article=1

[Puckstop31]

On a similar note... Is Mrs. Clinton ignorant of history, or does she just see this as an opportunity for more government control of our lives?

http://wcbstv.com/politics/hillary.clinton.barack.2.823496.html

The stock market crashed in 1929. But the Great Depression did not get going full tilt until the government got involved in 1933.

Those that do not know their history are doomed to repeat it.

I can just imagine our 'leaders' in Washington rejoicing about the economy. What better way to get he sheep more in line than the economy going to crap? The perfect "moral equivilant of war."

[lizbud]

I was just making light of CG's question and the way people have reacted to SPs reaction to the inquiry. Gibson sat down and injected his own bias/take to the interview.

Bush Doctrine? Like WTF called the bumbling pres and his questionable conclusions a "Doctrine"? I guess it's harder to pull questions out of your head when you get to Gibson's place in life.


And Charlie snickers about the gotcha moment he invented that made everyone waste 3-4 days trying to figure out what the eff a Bush Doctrine
is-Since I thought it was a 'doctorin' question I saved myself some time.




So it's the use of the term "Bush Doctrine" that riled you up? I've heard
it before. I read quite a lot on politics & have seen it used regularly.

[RICHARD]

So it's the use of the term "Bush Doctrine" that riled you up? I've heard
it before. I read quite a lot on politics & have seen it used regularly.

I guess I am a moron because I hadn't heard that term used before....
Riled up? No, because immediately my mind went to the gutter - I was having so much fun with the Bush Doctorin' I wondered why some other filthy pig like me hadn't thought about that joke.;)


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PS31,

The "UN"!

If you catch a movie called Idiocracy- I know, I have been raving like an idiot about it- they have a funny little part about how the 'UN' solves the problems of the world. If you like stupid movies, you'll love this one!

[Puckstop31]

You know what I find amazing? How most people in "the biz", either plitician or 'journalist' are looking at what is going on with our economy.

In the Carter years and expanced upon in the Clinton years, Fannie, Freddie, et all...were REQUIRED to give loans to people who could never pay them back. All the while, politicans, mostly "D's" but a lot of "R's" too... Pocketed lots of money from them. NOW, when those loans go bad (shocker) we have our current crisis.

But what pisses me off the most... MORONS on both sides are STILL trying to point fingers and make political hay out of this. McBush surely is not a stroing one on the economy. But I have yet to see how Obama's plan to increase taxes on the "rich" will help? Come on Liz and ES... Explain it to me. Please. I really want to know what you are thinking. Perhaps you might sway me? But I just gotta know where the logic is.

Or you can continue to ignore me, which speaks volumes all its own.

I want a honest, open and non partisan talk about this. This issue effects us ALL.

[Puckstop31]

Common sense? :eek:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_go_co/offshore_drilling

10 bucks says just the idea that we are going to explore for our own oil drops prices... Lets see what happens.

[RICHARD]

10 bucks says just the idea that we are going to explore for our own oil drops prices... Lets see what happens.

No kidding,

Here's a little tidbit on the safety factor of OSD.

How much money was spent cleaning up the oil spills from hurricanes Gustav and Katrina?

For years the tree huggers/ocean embracers have steadfastly thought that OSD was a tragedy waiting to happen.

I think your 10 dollar bet should just about cover the cleanup costs for both hurricanes!;)

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, really! I fully expect any second to see a picture of McCain ripping open his shirt and showing a big S! He certainly acts like he is super man, at least in his own mind!!!

Ok, suspend your own campaign and stop the ads ( you forgot to tell CBS by the way, they have shown them all morning. Odd not one of Obama's was shown.) Don't worry about the time and expense you cause the city where the debate would be held if you cancel to run to DC to act like you are a hot shot. Never mind that you could go to DC today and back for the Debate by tomorrow.

Never mind the fact that there are 98 other senators besides the two running for pres. All of whom have brains and are capable of working on the bail out mess. Never mind the fact that the banks helped get themselves into this mess by giving loans to lots of illegels who don't make enough money to pay back loans, BUT still insist on paying their CEOs more money than a golden goose could lay in a year.

Don't forget to remind God that the world will stop turning if you don't oversee his work!!! SUPER MCCAIN is on the job!!! GAG ME!!!!!

I've said for a long time we are in a recession. The middle and lower class people have know about it. It only becomes official when the wealthier class starts feeling the pinch. Welcome to our world!! :p

[RICHARD]

One of the better stories this election season is the cardbaord cutout of BO that was 'hung' from a tree with a note attached.

Apparently someone hung a cardboard BO from a tree -with fishing line around the neck- and a sign saying that he was a dropout from some kind of edcuational program.

Apparently the local officials took it down because it represented a lynching!

Can you beleive that? The PC police are on the prowl again. IF they wanted to portray a lynching don't you think a GIANT piece of rope would have been the result? Whoever put the cutout up probably went the fishing line route to KEEP from making it look like a hanging!:rolleyes:

The cardboard cutout was not hurt and as of today is back on the campaign trail. Thin on substance and thick on ear width!

[Puckstop31]

Never mind the fact that the banks helped get themselves into this mess by giving loans to lots of illegels who don't make enough money to pay back loans,

Because Congress mandated that they do so. Big heart + little brain = economic chaos. The concept of MANDATING a bank give out loans to people, without as much as ID or proof of income, is insanity. It is SO insane that one might even begin to think Congress PLANNED this outcome. I wonder why?

ETA: A little background on the mandating thing.

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/09/flashback-to-1990s-origins-of-credit.html

[lizbud]

Well, really! I fully expect any second to see a picture of McCain ripping open his shirt and showing a big S! He certainly acts like he is super man, at least in his own mind!!!

Ok, suspend your own campaign and stop the ads ( you forgot to tell CBS by the way, they have shown them all morning. Odd not one of Obama's was shown.) Don't worry about the time and expense you cause the city where the debate would be held if you cancel to run to DC to act like you are a hot shot. Never mind that you could go to DC today and back for the Debate by tomorrow.

Never mind the fact that there are 98 other senators besides the two running for pres. All of whom have brains and are capable of working on the bail out mess. Never mind the fact that the banks helped get themselves into this mess by giving loans to lots of illegels who don't make enough money to pay back loans, BUT still insist on paying their CEOs more money than a golden goose could lay in a year.

Don't forget to remind God that the world will stop turning if you don't oversee his work!!! SUPER MCCAIN is on the job!!! GAG ME!!!!!

I've said for a long time we are in a recession. The middle and lower class people have know about it. It only becomes official when the wealthier class starts feeling the pinch. Welcome to our world!! :p


I honestly believe McCain either has very bad advisors or has cracked
under the strain of a very long campaign. As you said, everyone else in
Congress is well aware of the money crisis & as of now, committed to the
general framework of the new bill. He's a day late & a dollar short, as usual.

[Puckstop31]

It saddens me to se that nobody seems to care how this 'crisis' came to be. Or understands the history of the original Great Depression. The government got us into this mess... What sane person thinks they can get us out?

But go ahead and keep playing the petty, partisan and sophmoric crap.

We are going to get what we deserve.