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Edwina's Secretary

01-25-2012, 03:31 PM

It was former Pres. Bush who set up the troop withdrawal timeline for Iraq, not the current President.

President Obama has been severely criticized by "leading Republicans" for following the troop withdrawal timeline established by President Bush. His critics have included Romney, Cain, Perry, McCain, Bachmann (who called it a complete failure...)

Perhaps why somepeople feel if Presient Obama found a cure for cancer he would still be criticized....

cassiesmom

01-25-2012, 03:43 PM

I think it was Malcolm Gladwell in "Blink" who wrote that although Herbert Hoover had the appearance and bearing of a President, that after he was elected he had a lot of struggles.

Lady's Human

01-25-2012, 04:04 PM

President Obama has been severely criticized by "leading Republicans" for following the troop withdrawal timeline established by President Bush. His critics have included Romney, Cain, Perry, McCain, Bachmann (who called it a complete failure...)

Perhaps why some people feel if President Obama found a cure for cancer he would still be criticized....

The first problem with that statement is referring to McCain, Perry, et. al. as leading Republicans. The only way they can comprehend leadership is with a dictionary (which leaves Dan Quayle out of the running.... :p)

I had issues with the timeline. I still have issues with any military leader publishing a timeline for action for strategic reasons.

That having been said, however, when the country you're assisting gives you a date and says be out by then, you move. Only time will tell whether it really worked, it's far to soon to pass judgement, but somehow I doubt you've seen the last of the insurgents in Iraq.

RICHARD

01-25-2012, 04:24 PM

It was former Pres. Bush who set up the troop withdrawal timeline for Iraq, not the current President.

Frankly the last three US Presidential elections could have been handily won by "none of the above".

I think I would like to see his birth certificate, first.:confused:

RICHARD

01-25-2012, 04:28 PM

And who shook Nutsy Pelosi's tree?

What does she know about the "Neutster" that we all don't.

I wonder what it feels like to put a high heel in your mouth?

Edwina's Secretary

01-25-2012, 04:42 PM

That having been said, however, when the country you're assisting gives you a date and says be out by then, you move. Only time will tell whether it really worked, it's far to soon to pass judgement, but somehow I doubt you've seen the last of the insurgents in Iraq.

Getting rid of the insurgents! Oh so THAT'S why we were there...(It has always seemed as bit confusing. WMD...regime change...bogey man...insurgents)

Even scorched earth and the elimination of every person living in that country would not put an end to "insurgents." Sadly.

RICHARD

01-25-2012, 04:44 PM

I'm really ticked off about the 'blood for oil' deal.

Lady's Human

01-25-2012, 05:32 PM

Getting rid of the insurgents! Oh so THAT'S why we were there...(It has always seemed as bit confusing. WMD...regime change...bogey man...insurgents)

Even scorched earth and the elimination of every person living in that country would not put an end to "insurgents." Sadly.

The initial reason we were there had nothing to do with insurgents, unless you count the Bath party as insurgents. After all, when you invade, you ARE the insurgents.

However, the resulting 3 hour tour of Iraq came under the heading of we broke it, we fix it.

The reason we've still had troops in the country since the invasion was an attempt to stabilize an inherently unstable political construct. Since that we've seen multiple rewrites of the SASO (stability and support operations) manual, changing acronyms (which unless you've been part of a staff you have no idea what a semi-humorous PITA that is) changing TTPs, (tactics, techniques and procedures), ad nauseum.

Edwina's Secretary

01-25-2012, 07:14 PM

The initial reason we were there had nothing to do with nothing and certainly nothing to do with the US.

RICHARD

01-27-2012, 06:55 PM

Yea!!!!

Tacos!!!

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/26/10246992-2000-tacos-delivered-to-i-might-have-tacos-mayor

cassiesmom

01-27-2012, 08:05 PM

What is a right to work (or right-to-work?) state? That phrase has been in the news around here lately because the Indiana state government is addressing either making or not making Indiana a right to work state. I don't really get it although I know it has something to do with labor unions. Up in Wisconsin people are signing petitions to have their governor recalled. They just had big legislation up there with labor unions.

Should you belong to a labor union if you have a government job? When I was a temp nurse in the Cook County health care system, the RNs were unionized under the Illinois Nurses Association. They had strict rules for nurse to patient ratios, overtime, new hire orientation, assignments, breaks, uniforms, holidays - you name it, they had a rule for it. Those nurses made big bucks and they worked a lot of overtime. And every nurse had been there for a long time.

When I worked for the auto mechanics' union welfare fund, you didn't have to join the union - but the union was providing benefits to the fund office employees, so if I wanted health and dental coverage, I had to sign up and pay dues, which in turn paid for the benefits. The cool part of that job was that they had a yearly car show because a lot of the members were car enthusiasts. They also had a motorcycle ride for cancer-- which started at one of the dealerships and ended at a huge forest preserve, where there was a picnic, games for kids, volleyball and fun. You could just come to the picnic if you weren't a motorcyclist, and there was a car pool from the office.

Edwina's Secretary

01-27-2012, 09:21 PM

Right -to-work state is a state in which union membership cannot be required as a condition of employment.

There are always three sides to every story.

To the unions - this means employees can receive the wages and benefits negotiated by the union without paying union dues. They must be represented (although perhaps not vigorously ;) ) by the union in any dispute with management without paying union dues.

For employees - they do not have to pay union dues if they do not want to or do not believe in unions.

To the Company - it is a very useful wedge between employees.

It can make for stressful relations - employees who pay union dues vs. those who do not.

Disclaimer - much of my career has been fighting against unions. I do not take a position on this issue. Just the facts.

RICHARD

01-28-2012, 08:28 PM

When is May Day?

Karen

01-28-2012, 08:51 PM

When is May Day?

May first, of course!

Lady's Human

01-30-2012, 04:07 PM

Facepalm!

Would someone explain to me again how the Canadian oil pipeline would reduce our dependency on foreign oil?

lizbud

01-30-2012, 04:39 PM

28 Dec 2011 03:46 PM

Perryism Of The Day

“Every barrel of oil that comes out of those sands in Canada is a barrel of oil that we don’t have to buy from a foreign source,” - governor Rick Perry.

LH, have Rick Perry explain it to you.:D

lizbud

02-05-2012, 12:45 PM

TPM

Romney on Trump Endorsement: This is Awesome

Josh Marshall-February 2, 2012, 4:05 PM1068
Mitt Romney ecstatic over Trump endorsement: “There are some things that you just can’t imagine happening in your life — this is one of them. Being in Donald Trump’s magnificent hotel and having his endorsement is a delight.”

Does this mean Mitt gets a Tiara & Sash. LOL :D

RICHARD

02-08-2012, 09:41 PM

Facepalm!

Would someone explain to me again how the Canadian oil pipeline would reduce our dependency on foreign oil?

I think we should invade Canada, depose Hunter and use some of that good old "merican blood" for oil......

It's way closer to home and think of all the money we'll save.

RICHARD

02-14-2012, 08:42 AM

Had to laugh at the story about the SC justice being robbed by a machete wielding man.

I thought "oh, crap! That is crazy story, must have happened in DC...."

No, the moron was robbed at his vacay home - that's what he gets for not buying American.:rolleyes:

Karen

03-05-2012, 01:26 PM

Sometimes things happen that restore my faith in the goodness of some corporations:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/05/limbaugh-advertisers-jump-ship/?hpt=hp_c2

Medusa

03-05-2012, 03:35 PM

Lady's Human

03-05-2012, 03:41 PM

I definitely do not approve of Limbaugh's comments but I do recall Ed Schultz on MSNBC calling Laura Ingraham a right wing slut. His apology was accepted and that was pretty much the end of it. Two wrongs don't make a right, I know, but I think there is definitely a double standard here.

One apologized in person, on air, and it was accepted by the person who was the subject of the insult.

THe other apologized in a tortured statement that was pretty clearly the result of pressure applied:

“For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone’s bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

"chose the wrong words"? I'd believe it if it was a neophyte talk show host. Rush has been doing this for a couple decades now, he's well aware of what effect his words are going to have. Calling someone a slut is about as personal an attack as one can make.

Grace

03-05-2012, 04:42 PM

lizbud

03-05-2012, 05:00 PM

Ed Schultz was suspended for one week by MSNBC for his comment. Rush should be given a months timeout for the three days he spent castigating Miss Fluke. Each day his rants got worse, and more obscene, IMHO.

Schultz's comment was said in the heat of the moment, and his apology was quick and sincere. Rush's vulgar comments were made
over three days of air time & his half hearted form of a apology was only made because he felt some pressure to do so. Rush said, among
other things, that he didn't mean to get personal, but his personal slurs on air, show otherwise.

RICHARD

03-05-2012, 05:02 PM

Seriously?

If I had gone in front of any committee and said, "I need booze, ciggies, massages or ???????"

I would have been laughed out of the room.

I think that it was a fluke for her to even be let into the room.;)

Not because she DIDN'T have anything important to say, it was her crusade.

While I do think sex is fun? To ask a company/school to pay for me to have "fun" while I should be working or studying shows just how dumb some of the people who have a voice and the chance to make a difference, then make it all about them.

Yes, I do know all the medical applications of BCPs and how they help some women's illnesses and conditions, to openly complain about a school not providing you with the means to go out and get some "fun" to be funny to the point of making me want to puke.

She didn't deserve to be called anything more than a misguided soul - Had she come to the table with the arguement that SHE HERSELF needed BCPs for anything more than having sex?

I'd buy that all day.

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I had to laugh yesterday about a speech I heard on the tubular.

I heard this 'exec' used a term that made me laugh.

He was talking about "having the back" of another entity.

WTF was that all about.

When people start using 'street slang' to get a point across, It make me cringe and want to laugh at the same time.

Having someone's back
It is what It is.
They are on crack have, to be some of the dumbest phrases that have made it into the public domain.

Especially when uttered during a speech that has to do with world peace.:rolleyes:

Karen

03-05-2012, 05:17 PM

Keep it clean folks, and remember children view the forum.

I was just glad some companies were acting on their convictions and pulling their dollars from his show.

Medusa

03-05-2012, 05:26 PM

Schultz offered to take the time off. I agree that Limbaugh's apology was insincere but I think that Schult'z was also. It's just that he was smarter than Limbaugh by preempting the station w/his apology and self imposed suspension.

Edwina's Secretary

03-05-2012, 05:29 PM

Sometimes things happen that restore my faith in the goodness of some corporations:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/05/limbaugh-advertisers-jump-ship/?hpt=hp_c2

Amen...amen. The dollar is all people like Limbo understand.

What I cannot get over is it was apparent from his remarks that he had not even heard what she said (which is also true of a poster on this!)

She did not say she wanted the government to pay for anything. She did not say ANYTHING about recreational sex....btw what makes sex "recreational"?

And want to talk about a fluke? A table full of non-medical men opining on women's reproductive issues. Sorry - that is a FARCE!

And wanting her to make a sex video??? I thought O'Reilly is the sex pervert and Limbo the druggie. Don't you wonder if his insurance pays for Limbo's recreational drug use??

There is no double standard here. Free speech does not mean speech free from consequences.

And the most amusing line from Limbo about the sponsors pulling out..."They've decided they don't want you or your business anymore. So be it. For me, this program is always about you..."

Oh Rush...really?

RICHARD

03-05-2012, 06:19 PM

Keep it clean folks, and remember children view the folforum.

I was just glad some companies were acting on their convictions and pulling their dollars from his show.

I am glad the mattress company pulled their support and the flowers-to-go people followed suit.

I hope that any jewelry store gets smart, too!

Much ado about nothing.

I get 50% off of my pedicures on my own, I don't need RL's sponsors.:cool:

RICHARD

03-05-2012, 06:20 PM

I saw Rush twice, best concert I have ever been to.

Lady's Human

03-05-2012, 06:34 PM

And want to talk about a fluke? A table full of non-medical men opining on women's reproductive issues. Sorry - that is a FARCE!

So, my statements about the military that you cannot possibly understand the military unless you've been there are ridiculous and caused your feathers to get severely ruffled, but men can't discuss female reproductive issues?

I think someone said something about a double standard????

RICHARD

03-05-2012, 06:39 PM

Edwina's Secretary

03-05-2012, 06:50 PM

So, my statements about the military that you cannot possibly understand the military unless you've been there are ridiculous and caused your feathers to get severely ruffled, but men can't discuss female reproductive issues?

I think someone said something about a double standard????

Nope. Nothing double standard about it. Read the Supreme Court decision that caused Congress to amend Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include pregnancy as a protected class. I don't remember the name of the case but the employer was GE. Those nine men said that since only woman can get pregnant, pregnant men were not being treated differently than pregnant women.

Of course men can discuss female reproductive issues. But hardly as authoritatively as well....a female.

Equating occupation with gender - really? A real stretch.

Lady's Human

03-05-2012, 07:12 PM

Equating occupation with gender - really? A real stretch.

Not at all. The military isn't an occupation in the normal sense at all, and calling it an occupation is a prime indicator that someone just doesn't get it.

Edwina's Secretary

03-05-2012, 08:40 PM

Not at all. The military isn't an occupation in the normal sense at all, and calling it an occupation is a prime indicator that someone just doesn't get it.

And that is what is said of just about every occupation. Just last week I had a guy in an unemployment hearing telling me and the hearing judge that we could not understand what road construction is all about - the challenges, etc. until we "walked a mile in his boots."

It is rather offensive that you think people are incapable of understanding but there you have it. I have never been a lumberjack, or a chef, or a soldier or a spy. While that doesn't mean "I cannot understand" I can tell you without a doubt that I would not - ever- testify before Congress about life in the military.

And that is the point.

cassiesmom

03-09-2012, 10:36 AM

Dear presidential candidates,

It doesn't help me when you air negative attack commercials on your opponents. Just tell me why you should get my vote. I don't particularly like any of my options for the upcoming election, so you'll need to convince me.

Dear Canada,
Are you accepting new residents? I might need to move in after the November elections.

lizbud

03-14-2012, 11:27 AM

Wow, if it's gotten this bad over there, maybe it's seriously high time to come home.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-marines-afghanistan-told-disarm-defense-secretary-panetta/story?id=15917672

Lady's Human

03-14-2012, 11:46 AM

Much ado about nothing. It's not unusual, frankly I can't remember ever being under arms when politicos were in the area, except on training ranges.

lizbud

03-14-2012, 12:15 PM

Much ado about nothing. It's not unusual, frankly I can't remember ever being under arms when politicos were in the area, except on training ranges.

In a war zone??

Lady's Human

03-14-2012, 12:18 PM

There are numerous places in war zones where you stack arms. Ever see any vids of USO shows with armed troops in the audience? You don't normally carry weapons in HQ's, either, that's what weapons racks are for. (not referring to a company CP, but higher HQ's further away in "secure" areas)

cassiesmom

03-20-2012, 08:29 PM

So it's primary election day in Illinois. I went to vote because there's a referendum for our village on the ballot. I got there about 6:15 and the polls close at 7. I figured the polling place wouldn't be busy- it's a beautiful day, it's a primary election which usually gets a low turnout, and it's late in the day.

Guess what? There was a line! I was surprised. That's not usual around here. Maybe because of the referendum, plus there are some local contested races.

And there were 3 students from the local high school serving as student election judges. That was nice to see.

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One other question, was it ever determined why the army sergeant went to the villages and killed all those civilians in Afghanistan? I heard on the news that he has no recollection (or he claims to have no recollection) of the shootings. How sad for those families.

lizbud

03-21-2012, 06:11 PM

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One other question, was it ever determined why the army sergeant went to the villages and killed all those civilians in Afghanistan? I heard on the news that he has no recollection (or he claims to have no recollection) of the shootings. How sad for those families.

Indiana has a late Primary Election, not until May.

On the subject of the killing of Afgan civilians, there are more questions than answers. More is becoming known about the soldier who did the killing,
and it's not good. Pretty troubling record even before he joined the Army.I can't get over the horrible fact that nine of those killed were children.:(:(

lizbud

03-26-2012, 12:35 PM

One of the Far Right members of Indiana Legislature.:rolleyes:

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/rep-morris-continues-assault-on-girl-scouts

RICHARD

03-26-2012, 09:58 PM

WTF is an Etch-A-Sketch?;)

Karen

03-26-2012, 10:52 PM

WTF is an Etch-A-Sketch?;)

Did you never have one, Richard? They were my favoritest toy ever, as it was a way to draw without needing more paper and pencils, and I got really good at it! When my big brother accidentally wrecked mine, they got me a new one, which was pretty rare for us, but he knew I treasured it! And of course we all liked the geeky side of the science behind it, too!