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Lady's Human
07-03-2010, 10:16 PM
Surprise, surprise. 121/400.

Puckstop31
07-03-2010, 11:23 PM
71/400 :eek: Eh?


And in typical, brain dead, 'progressive' fashion... Manipulate the language to get the results you want. LOL

A couple of examples. (Anybody notice you could not "select" the test on the webpage? One had to make the effort to type it out.... LOL 'Progressives' rely on LAZY people.)


11.) The primary responsibility of corporations is to produce profits and returns for their shareholders, not to improve society.

As if the two are mutually exclusive? Either you make a profit or you benefit society? LOL


18.) Immigrants today are a burden on our country because they take our jobs and abuse government benefits.

What KIND of immigrants?


This "test" cleary shows that the 'progressive' movement relies on people who are unwilling to take an active role in their government. They just use language to make people feel a certain way.


Like our dear leader has said... "Words matter" Indeed they do.

Lady's Human
07-03-2010, 11:26 PM
I had issues with those questions, and a few other as well.

Just like push polling, you manipulate the interview to get the results you want.

The question on terrorism was too limited, as were other questions involving international policy.

blue
07-03-2010, 11:28 PM
It was truly a "Progressive" test.

Edwina's Secretary
07-04-2010, 12:18 AM
Yikes. A few guys getting lathered over some silly "quiz." No wonder they call them "regressive."

Why, if I didn't know better...I would offer them a buck to get a clue. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

blue
07-04-2010, 12:27 AM
A fine example of a "Progressive" response, when you have no intelligent reply, an insult will do.

ETA: Notice the "Progressives" didnt post their scores. Being forthright must be a "Regressive" trait.

Lady's Human
07-04-2010, 03:08 AM
Yikes. A few guys getting lathered over some silly "quiz." No wonder they call them "regressive."

Why, if I didn't know better...I would offer them a buck to get a clue. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'll do it for you, ES.

Once again, here's a buck, go buy a clue.

Until you piped in I didn't see anyone getting "lathered". Now discussion is getting "lathered"? Amazing.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

(after all, I can't let ES use more rolly eyes than me....I am, after all, lathered)

RICHARD
07-04-2010, 08:30 AM
(after all, I can't let ES use more rolly eyes than me....I am, after all, lathered)

Use a sharp razor and you'll be fine!:)

Grace
07-04-2010, 09:07 AM
I couldn't finish the test - thus no score. Couldn't finish it for the reasons given by LH and Puck. Many of the questions were worded in such a way . . . . similar to an automated phone call questionnaire I had the other day from our state Republican party.

And, of course, there is no one you can ask to clarify for you :confused:

lizbud
07-04-2010, 10:08 AM
Hey People, it's just a quiz. There is no pass or fail, it's just a quiz.

p.s. And there are no prizes.:)

Edwina's Secretary
07-04-2010, 11:10 AM
I first heard the label "Progressive" here on PetTalk. It was used, of course, as a pejorative.

That strikes me funny as if someone is not progressive, are they regressive? Static? Stuck in the mud?

I am not one for labels and I don't determine my beliefs from quizzes.

I did not need to take the one sent in the mail recently by the "Morons Who Think Obama Is A Socialist" to know I didn't agree with them.

I just find it funny - taking a quiz that is blatant marketing - when you know you disagree with it - and then discuss it as if it is something serious.

It just a clue I got....:D:D

Pinot's Mom
07-04-2010, 11:42 AM
I took it, best I could due to the ambiguity of the questions; as others have said, the wording was very poor (purposely, of course). My score would not be popular. ;)

Edwina's Secretary
07-04-2010, 05:56 PM
As for Michael Steele - I have confidence in the American people - they can count. They know how many years we have been sending troops to the Middle East and who was president when this mess started.

Far more interesting is the Republican Party's inability to learn from the past. You would think they learned from the Sarah Palin fiasco - chosing leaders based on demographics (a woman! good looking! she hunts!) is not a recipe for success.

So they wanted a good looking articulate black man as party chairman to counterpoint President Obama. Be careful what you ask for - you just might get it!

It will be interesting to see how they extricate themselves. I enjoy imagining the backroom conversation!

Yes, LH, R, b, PS - we all know you do not think President Obama is articulate or good looking.

Lady's Human
07-04-2010, 06:03 PM
Since when have I ever made any statements about Pres. Obama's rhetorical skills?

Puckstop31
07-04-2010, 07:07 PM
President Obama... Articulate? When the teleprompter is on, sure. But, so what? Good looking? I have no opinion. Does it matter?


President Obama... The absolute worst disaster our economy could have asked for? You betcha. Foreign Policy is important right now for sure. But nothing is more important than the economy. What the President and his merry band of morons are more than happy to keep ruining. But are they really to blame? Who among them has ever even run a lemonade stand. No, WE are to blame. We elect our leaders and the past couple of decades we seem to select the guy who lies the best and promises the most of other people's stuff.

President Obama is a direct result of our celebrity worship. He sounded good. He looked good... He is a unmitigated disaster. Unless you draw your livelihood from government. (Read: You live on taxpayers money.)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39352.html

"What can the government do to create jobs." NOTHING. Let the people and business keep more of THEIR money.

All government can do is create MORE government jobs.

It takes 5 (at least) taxpayers to pay for one new government job. Do the math. Where does it end? What are we to do? 109 TRILLION and counting in unfunded entitlement liability. The baby boomers will probably make out OK. But what about the rest of us? Who's gonna crack first?

Baby Boomers.... What are you willing to sacrifice so that your posterity has even a sniff of a chance to live at least as good as you did? Social "Security"? Medicare?

But, I know... I am just a crazy hate monger. :rolleyes:

As I have said before... Don't take my word for it. Read about economics. What happens when a country gets to a point like we are? Our debt (on ONE set of the books....) is about 90% of our GDP.... Do the math.

Lady's Human
07-04-2010, 07:13 PM
Adams would never be elected now. He was shrill, short, overweight and annoying.

Ned Rutledge, however, would have been elected in a heartbeat.

Bonny
07-04-2010, 08:13 PM
Puckstop 31, You seem to be the only one with common sense here. :eek: I am counting the days when BO's term is up.

lizbud
07-04-2010, 08:37 PM
President Obama... Articulate? When the teleprompter is on, sure. But, so what? Good looking? I have no opinion. Does it matter?


President Obama... The absolute worst disaster our economy could have asked for? You betcha. Foreign Policy is important right now for sure. But nothing is more important than the economy. What the President and his merry band of morons are more than happy to keep ruining. But are they really to blame? Who among them has ever even run a lemonade stand. No, WE are to blame. We elect our leaders and the past couple of decades we seem to select the guy who lies the best and promises the most of other people's stuff.

President Obama is a direct result of our celebrity worship. He sounded good. He looked good... He is a unmitigated disaster. Unless you draw your livelihood from government. (Read: You live on taxpayers money.)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39352.html

"What can the government do to create jobs." NOTHING. Let the people and business keep more of THEIR money.

All government can do is create MORE government jobs.

It takes 5 (at least) taxpayers to pay for one new government job. Do the math. Where does it end? What are we to do? 109 TRILLION and counting in unfunded entitlement liability. The baby boomers will probably make out OK. But what about the rest of us? Who's gonna crack first?

Baby Boomers.... What are you willing to sacrifice so that your posterity has even a sniff of a chance to live at least as good as you did? Social "Security"? Medicare?

But, I know... I am just a crazy hate monger. :rolleyes:

As I have said before... Don't take my word for it. Read about economics. What happens when a country gets to a point like we are? Our debt (on ONE set of the books....) is about 90% of our GDP.... Do the math.

I should wake up blue and tell him, I finally found the "someone" with their
"panties in a bunch" that he talked about earlier. LOL.This is funnier than comedy Central.:D

Oh horrors, Obama has been Prez for a whole year and he hasn't solved
all the problems created by eight years of Bush & Co.:eek:

blue
07-04-2010, 08:55 PM
I should wake up blue and tell him, I finally found the "someone" with their
"panties in a bunch" that he talked about earlier. LOL.This is funnier than comedy Central.:D

Oh horrors, Obama has been Prez for a whole year and he hasn't solved
all the problems created by eight years of Bush & Co.:eek:

Unbunch your own undies before you go pointing fingers.

Puckstop31
07-04-2010, 08:55 PM
I should wake up blue and tell him, I finally found the "someone" with their
"panties in a bunch" that he talked about earlier. LOL.This is funnier than comedy Central.:D

Oh horrors, Obama has been Prez for a whole year and he hasn't solved
all the problems created by eight years of Bush & Co.:eek:

LOL. Liz... Your are worth the price of admission. Nothing to say, as usual, about content. YOU have any answers for 109 TRILLION dollars in unfunded liabilities? (Cough, Cough, due in large part to "D" policies)?

Hmmmmmmm?????? We all know you won't (can't) answer.


Did we miss the part were I said DECADES? Of course you did.


What is happening now goes back WAY farther than GWB.


And, in the biggest LOL for me... Your second 'statement' proves everything I thought about you. Carry on troop.

Marigold2
07-04-2010, 09:27 PM
Only time will tell how BO did in office.
He can't be any worst then Bush.
I guess the question is, are most people better off or worst off then they were when Bush was in office?
Everyone needs to answer that on their own.

sparks19
07-04-2010, 11:49 PM
112/400 not that anyone is shocked and I don't give a flying fig how anyone feels about MY beliefs :) they are MY beliefs... not yours so get over it

blue
07-05-2010, 02:41 AM
ASo they wanted a good looking articulate black man as party chairman

Very racist of you.


SIZE="2"]Yes, LH, R, b, PS - we all know you do not think President Obama is articulate or good looking.[/SIZE]

Barry is very articulate, when he is reading from a teleprompter. And I dont vote based on looks, Im just not that "Progressive".

lizbud
07-05-2010, 10:31 AM
Barry is very articulate, when he is reading from a teleprompter.


Most public speakers, and most all Presidents, (that I know of) speak from
notes. Nothing new there. Obama also writes his own dialogue ,while most
Presidents don't, they have a speech writer. What they don't do is read
words written on the palm of their hands, like school children.:)

Marigold2
07-05-2010, 10:42 AM
Blue I don't think that comment was racist, I think it is fact.
That is what the powers that be wanted and ES just stated the truth.
For a first black president we picked someone not too black, doesn't sound black, doesn't act like many typical black men living in the inner city.
I also don't think America would have voted for him if he was kohl black. OB is sort of a a mix not to dark not to light, so as not to offend the Archie Bunkers of this world.
Even blacks have a chaste system where they judge themselves on how black a person is. The blacker the less wanted by black men black women are. That is why many black women color their hair blond or red, straighten their hair. It is sad because they should embrace who they are. Michelle Obama would never die her hair blond, she is a beautiful black women and a wonderful role model for all women.
I am not trying to be racist either but many of us can tell if we are speaking to a black or white person on the phone by the way they speak. It's just a fact. Just like one can tell an inner city person person by their speech.
Same thing for a person in the north or south or west most of us pick up on the accent, does NOT make one better then another just different. People in Boston have a different way of speaking then people from West Virginia. People in Minnosota speak differently then people from Maine. And as far as the N word, the only place I hear that spoken is when I am downtown Cleveland. Blacks downtown refer to each other in those terms. Sad but true. A white person using the N word well I have not heard that in years except for Michael Richards and Mel Gibson.
Very racist of you.



Barry is very articulate, when he is reading from a teleprompter. And I dont vote based on looks, Im just not that "Progressive".

blue
07-05-2010, 11:22 AM
Most public speakers, and most all Presidents, (that I know of) speak from
notes. Nothing new there. Obama also writes his own dialogue ,while most
Presidents don't, they have a speech writer. What they don't do is read
words written on the palm of their hands, like school children.:)

Jon Favreau is Obama's speechwriter, has been for awhile now. Without Mr Favreau Barry is a mumbling bumbling speaker. At least Mrs Palin can get through a speech without "Umming" the audience to death.


Blue I don't think that comment was racist, I think it is fact.

The comment was based on the color of the mans skin, so yes its a fact that it was racist.

lizbud
07-05-2010, 11:43 AM
Interesting survey rankings of all 43 Presidents.

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/2010/06/28/daily29.html

Lady's Human
07-06-2010, 08:37 PM
The mere fact that Presidents Clinon, Obama, and Johnson are ahead of Presidents Adams (both) and Reagan speak volumes about the political leanings and perspective (or lack thereof) of the survey group.

Puckstop31
07-06-2010, 11:45 PM
The mere fact that Presidents Clinon, Obama, and Johnson are ahead of Presidents Adams (both) and Reagan speak volumes about the political leanings and perspective (or lack thereof) of the survey group.

FDR? Mr. Big Government failure?

WILSON? Mr. "I interned more Americans than FDR did Japanese Americans during WW1?" WILSON? Mr. "Progressive Income Tax"?

Barack Obama #15, ALREADY? LOL

Its the greatest joke ever.... Certain people really believe such stuff. History is a cruel master sometimes. Facts are facts.... Regardless of how a group tries to change it.


Adams was a rather mediocre President... But he can justifiably pass the blame, partially on Jefferson. Our current Dear Leader and his merry band of idiots..... Worst ever, by far. ZERO "been there done that". And it shows.

Lady's Human
07-07-2010, 06:12 AM
John Adams was the weakest of the original leaders no doubt, but he had assistance from many quarters in that, not just from Jefferson.

Again, he was shrill, opinionated, and undiplomatic, which played right into his opponents' hands.

TO rank him below LBJ and the current President, however, is a complete farce.

lizbud
07-07-2010, 09:10 AM
Again, he was shrill, opinionated, and undiplomatic, which played right into his opponents' hands.




Hummm, sounds like someone else we know, but I can't quite recall his name.:D

Present company excepted of course.:)

lizbud
07-07-2010, 09:29 AM
The mere fact that Presidents Clinon, Obama, and Johnson are ahead of Presidents Adams (both) and Reagan speak volumes about the political leanings and perspective (or lack thereof) of the survey group.


The College that conducted the poll is in NY. Do you know of it?

http://www.siena.edu/pages/1.asp

Puckstop31
07-07-2010, 10:42 AM
John Adams was the weakest of the original leaders no doubt, but he had assistance from many quarters in that, not just from Jefferson.

Again, he was shrill, opinionated, and undiplomatic, which played right into his opponents' hands.

TO rank him below LBJ and the current President, however, is a complete farce.

Reading a great work on the personal lives of some of the founders right now. The more I learn about John Adams... The more I feel a bit sorry for him. He REALLY had a hard time being separated for such a long time from his beloved Abigail. He really did sacrifice for his country. He knew it too...

"Posterity! You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
John Adams

I know I could be EXTRA shrill, opinionated and undiplomatic if I had to be away from Tanya for a long time. But on the other hand, at least his detractors directly engaged him, rather than snipe from a distance with useless tripe.


"Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." This is what it used to be. NOW...

"THEIR lives, THEIR fortunes and 'what does sacred honor mean'?"

Edwina's Secretary
07-07-2010, 05:20 PM
Good read Liz. And typically, 238 presidental scholars cannot possible compare to the unbiased...impartial...opinion of our denizen! Too, too funny.

I thought the factors they studied were interesting - not just the usual. Luck was different - although I think I might have rated the four presidents who were assasinated at the bottom for luck!

I am not a Wilson fan either but he was rated nearly bottom for "Willingness to Compromise." I struggle with him rated so high for domestic accomplishments though.

Perhaps I would rate Truman higher and Coolidge lower and Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce I would rate at the very bottom.

But that is quibbling I suppose.

I also like that it stated "Expert's present overall view..." (emphasis added and despite the misplaced apostrophy) -- an important point.

Lady's Human
07-07-2010, 06:04 PM
Franklin Pierce I would rate at the very bottom.

There's one we can agree on.

"I almost singlehandedly re-ignited the debates that lead to the Civil War"

Hardly a resume-builder.

smokey the elder
07-08-2010, 02:44 PM
Time to inject a religious debate into the stew. There's been a lot of "politics" and not so much "religion". Here's where they may intersect:

In Europe, some countries wish to ban burqas and niqabs because they hide the whole face. Those against the ban say that it infringes on religious (specifically, Muslim) sensibilities. I am for the ban, because the human face is the gold standard right now for recognizing people (that's why there are photos on passports, licenses, etc.) It is needed for security purposes.

I've been thinking about this and other clothing rules in religious dogma for some reason. So where should the line be drawn? There have been other controversies about religious garb/hair rules, especially where they interfere with job safety, etc. For example, orthodox Jews or Sikhs with their beards, and full-face respirators comes to mind.

Not a very coherent statement, but what do you all think?

Edwina's Secretary
07-08-2010, 07:07 PM
STE...

Although religion is a protected class under Civil Rights Act - and employers must make reasonable accomodations - safety trumps most everything. Turbans are a problem around machinery but also - for example - the creeper a mechanic uses to get under a vehicle. Any sort of head cover is dangerous around machinery (as are many other things - long hair, long beards, jewelry.) Once you have seen someone "scalped" you understand.

There are some interesting cases about religion and tattoos and employers as well. In certain circumstances - primarily cusomter facing - employers can ban visible tattoos. There are a number of restaurant chains that do this - the California Highway Patrol does - and lately - the Marines have placed restrictions on tattoos. Attempts to claim religious exemption from the visible tattoo ban have not been successful (as long as the rule is consistent.)

I fully support a ban on face cover. It is dangerous - the person with the covered face has limited vision - any place around any moving equipment it can get entangled - and for the safety of others - who is behind it?

For whatever the reason - religion or otherwise - faces should be visible.

lizbud
07-08-2010, 07:35 PM
I've been told that actually there is nothing in the Koran that says
women must wear the face coverings. It is custom, rather than Religion.

I believe they should be banned for mainly security reasons, same reason
why we ban face masks in public. (Halloween the exception) I read one
article, pro ban, that mostly stressed the women's "freedom" aspect, but
I think the security reason should trump all others.

PS. smokey, You are referring to the ban proposed in France right?

Grace
07-08-2010, 08:15 PM
Turkey, which is a Muslim country, banned the burqa back in 1923. The Government is secular. Women could wear a burqa or hijab at home, but not in public buildings. I'm not sure if it was the daughter of the current Prime Minister or previous one, but she came to the United States for college, because she could not cover her head in Turkey - but she could in California.

In 2008, the law was modified, and I think now that women can wear it or not.

smokey the elder
07-09-2010, 10:30 AM
I'm not a scholar of Islam but I think only "modest dress for both men and women" is stipulated. Interpretation of "modest" is up for grabs!

If folks want to cover their hair, that's fine. Just let us see your face.

Burqa bans are under consideration in both France and Belgium, I believe.

I think people who wish to reside in another country need to assimilate to a point, especially where safety of individuals and society are involved. If there's that much of a conflict, maybe they should not choose to live there.

RICHARD
07-09-2010, 07:04 PM
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/not-so-russian-spy-vicky-pelaez-caught-in-a-bind/19548312

Bummer.......


Moron.


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What about the gal that was going to get stoned? What happened to her?

I wish they'd stop with the religious dress codes, and let woman drive, too!



LOL, I'd like to see how they'd react to the woman's voice on a those map things in cars.
Morons.

lizbud
07-09-2010, 07:23 PM
On another religious note, They say the stoneing of a woman in Iran
has been stopped. They say she'll be put to death by other means.

And to think it only took 99 lashs to get her to confess.:mad::rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/08/iran.stoning/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Grace
07-09-2010, 07:40 PM
My question - if this woman in Iran truly did commit adultery, she didn't do it alone. So what sort of punishment is her partner, in the so-called crime, receiving?

lizbud
07-10-2010, 10:15 AM
My question - if this woman in Iran truly did commit adultery, she didn't do it alone. So what sort of punishment is her partner, in the so-called crime, receiving?


Probably nothing. They apparently believe women, being the sinful
creatures that they are, are the cause of all evil. They like to keep them
separate,covered up head to toe, so they don't entice these "holy men"
into sinful conduct.:rolleyes:

RICHARD
07-10-2010, 11:42 AM
On another religious note, They say the stoneing of a woman in Iran has been stopped.

Now, to keep Lindsay Lohan from getting stoned.......:eek::confused:

blue
07-10-2010, 08:33 PM
Probably nothing. They apparently believe women, being the sinful
creatures that they are, are the cause of all evil. They like to keep them
separate,covered up head to toe, so they don't entice these "holy men"
into sinful conduct.:rolleyes:

This. IIRC it is accually acceptable to gang rape a woman in Isamic culture if she is dressed in a "sinful" manner.

A friend of mine converted to Islam in his late 20s and lately keeps "liking" Real Men Respect Women on facebook. To me the entire Islamic religion, maybe its just the Islamist culture, disrespects women.

What boggles my mind, is why is our President, a man more hen pecked then Clinton, acting like an apologist for Islam. He bows and kisses their hands. He ignores and insults our ally Isreal, and he is silent when it comes to the stoning of women.

Shrub wasnt much better by not allowing our female military personnel to drive while serving in Islamic countries.

Another thing thats bugged me for awhile...

Where are the womens rights groups when it comes to Islam?

Lady's Human
07-10-2010, 08:50 PM
Shrub wasnt much better by not allowing our female military personnel to drive while serving in Islamic countries.


Don't know where that came from. In the beginning of DS that may have been true in spots, but that was quickly cleared up, as well as female soldiers being able to wear just t-shirts.





Where are the womens rights groups when it comes to Islam?

It's okay to attack Christians, but other groups are verboten. After all, you can't speak ill of a minority group.

blue
07-10-2010, 09:01 PM
Don't know where that came from. In the beginning of DS that may have been true in spots, but that was quickly cleared up, as well as female soldiers being able to wear just t-shirts.

Didnt know that had been cleared up. Must realy p!ss off the natives seeing our military Missus driving and wearing minis. :p




It's okay to attack Christians, but other groups are verboten. After all, you can't speak ill of a minority group.

You didnt just call all womens rights groups Nazi's did you?

I know you didnt but the Queen of Misandry might accuse you of such.

Edwina's Secretary
07-10-2010, 11:39 PM
It's okay to attack Christians, but other groups are verboten. After all, you can't speak ill of a minority group.

Knock. knock...try posts IN THIS THREAD...starting with 2290.

Ain't truth a biatch ...as you folks like to say?

Lady's Human
07-10-2010, 11:46 PM
Ain't truth a biatch ...as you folks like to say?

And when, exactly , have I ever stated that in this forum?

You were speaking strictly of burkas and other dress issues, not treatment of women as a group.

Taking issue with their dress hardly rises to the level of attacking them on their womens' rights record.

blue
07-10-2010, 11:54 PM
you folks

????

Edwina's Secretary
07-10-2010, 11:55 PM
None so blind as he who will not see....:D:D:D

You guys are so cute when you are caught out as ...just plain wrong!

blue
07-11-2010, 12:02 AM
I think she is hitting on you LH.

blue
07-11-2010, 12:28 AM
I know you didnt but the Queen of Misandry might accuse you of such.

I guess I was right after all.

Lady's Human
07-11-2010, 12:37 AM
None so blind as he who will not see....:D:D:D

You guys are so cute when you are caught out as ...just plain wrong!

Which is why I find you particularly irritating.

It's very annoying dealing with your willfull ignorance.

I'll see your :D:D:D and raise you :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Edwina's Secretary
07-11-2010, 12:01 PM
I can just hear you guys...I am not wrong. The only time I was wrong was once when I though I was wrong...

So instead...Shoot the messenger! So predictable - amusing though predictable.

You guys make quite a team...:D:D

Lady's Human
07-11-2010, 04:33 PM
I can just hear you guys...I am not wrong. The only time I was wrong was once when I though I was wrong...

Actually, ES, while Puck and I do chat away from these threads, the discussions rarely have anything to do with who's wrong or right. You see, we're mature enough to discuss and disagree without throwing bombs.




So instead...Shoot the messenger! So predictable - amusing though predictable.

You guys make quite a team...:D:D

Actually, in this case, the person who is posing as the messenger is actually engaging in nothing more than vapid bomb throwing.

Annoying, but predictable.


If you've had one solitary positive comment since you're return from lurking, I must have missed it.

If you have nothing to contribute other than cause dissent and discord, why are you still here?

Debate and discussion are more than welcome. You, madame, aren't here to discuss, just to flame other posters.

Bonny
07-11-2010, 04:52 PM
Then there are the big old BULLIES in the world that like to kick people around too. ;)

Puckstop31
07-11-2010, 05:05 PM
Wow...

In tune with how this is going right now...

"neener...neener...neener!!!" "My dad can beat up your Dad!"

And please, spare us the "yeah, see!".


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Debate requires points and counter points be offered. FYI. LOL A counter point is not "you are wrong".

Bonny
07-11-2010, 05:41 PM
Actually Puky, The Truth Hurts! There are the good people on here:), the common sense people:cool:, the avoids conflict people;), the fun nutty people:p, & there are always BULLIES. :eek: Our society just can't survive without them?:D

lizbud
07-11-2010, 07:46 PM
Wow...


Debate requires points and counter points be offered. FYI. LOL A counter point is not "you are wrong".


You are giving lessons??? WOW, just wow.:eek:

lizbud
07-11-2010, 07:53 PM
This. IIRC it is accually acceptable to gang rape a woman in Isamic culture if she is dressed in a "sinful" manner.


Where are the womens rights groups when it comes to Islam?

Right where they always are on these issues, working to end this type
of treatment of women.

Some men in America use, the same logic by using the "she was
asking for it" defense.

Puckstop31
07-11-2010, 08:05 PM
You are giving lessons??? WOW, just wow.:eek:

Why is that a shocker Liz? You have an original idea to add to ANY conversation?

I've asked you to comment on things, many times... You almost never answer and when you do, it's petty stuff like this.

You have better ideas? We would love to hear them.

Or, you can carry on as usual.

RICHARD
07-11-2010, 08:12 PM
In the beginning of DS that may have been true in spots, but that was quickly cleared up, as well as female soldiers being able to wear just t-shirts.






http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/11/27508067-d3b8-46e1-be92-d8250f2229f4.jpg


There is some stuff you just cannot camoflauge.

Lady's Human
07-11-2010, 08:15 PM
Right where they always are on these issues, working to end this type
of treatment of women.

Some men in America use, the same logic by using the "she was
asking for it" defense.



The question is simple:

Where is the NOW equivalent of the Dutch cartoon commentary about Islam, or are they too afraid of being the target of a very real threat as opposed to being worried about being told to shut up politically?

Puckstop31
07-11-2010, 08:16 PM
Actually Puky, The Truth Hurts! There are the good people on here:), the common sense people:cool:, the avoids conflict people;), the fun nutty people:p, & there are always BULLIES. :eek: Our society just can't survive without them?:D

I am not sure who you are talking about.


But, I know there are good people here. (On both sides of the debate.) I know there are common sense people here. (On both sides of the debate.)

What does 'avoiding conflict' have to do with anything? This is the 'Politics and Religion' thread. Both topics are, well, controversial. The entire premise of this thread IS conflict, so to speak. Further, I encourage you to read about the personal lives of our founders. They actually encouraged vigourous debate. To seek it out even. Because they knew, as I realise, that you never get any where preaching to the choir.... Now, I know that injures the sensibilities of many on this forum. Oh well. LOL I like to live in realityville.

As for bullies... Well, I reckon that is in the eye of the beholder. I try, REALLY hard to not 'bully'. Some people here think that simply posting a retort to a post is "bullying". Again... Oh well.

But take notice who it usually is making the "bully" accusations... You know, rather than offering a intelligent retort to real questions. "When you can't win the arguement, control the language."

Puckstop31
07-11-2010, 08:18 PM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/11/27508067-d3b8-46e1-be92-d8250f2229f4.jpg


There is some stuff you just cannot camoflauge.

I KNEW I shoulda joined the Chair Force. LOL

Puckstop31
07-11-2010, 08:20 PM
The question is simple:

Where is the NOW equivalent of the Dutch cartoon commentary about Islam, or are they too afraid of being the target of a very real threat as opposed to being worried about being told to shut up politically?

"Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."

Some belive enough to risk it. Most don't.

Edwina's Secretary
07-11-2010, 10:03 PM
The question is simple:

Where is the NOW equivalent of the Dutch cartoon commentary about Islam, or are they too afraid of being the target of a very real threat as opposed to being worried about being told to shut up politically?

Do you mean the DANISH cartoon?

All those Europeans look alike to you?

Can't wait to see you wiggle out of this one....

Lady's Human
07-11-2010, 10:21 PM
Very simple, nothing to wiggle out of, I made a mistake.

Go back under your bridge.

Puckstop31
07-11-2010, 10:25 PM
Do you mean the DANISH cartoon?

All those Europeans look alike to you?

Can't wait to see you wiggle out of this one....

Now that the error has been corrected... Want to answer the question now?

Puckstop31
07-11-2010, 10:43 PM
Back on topic.

"It's the economy, stupid."

A National debt that will soon equal 90%+ of our GDP. 109 TRILLION and growing of unfunded entitlement liability.

Then, this....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/11/AR2010071101956_pf.html


I'm calling out the Baby Boomers again... What are you willing to risk for your posterity? I don't care if you do not have any children of your own.

You life? Your fortune? Your sacred honor?

SS at 70? 72? Would you vote against a person who suggests such a thing?

---

Or, we can continue to play word games. Your choice.

Lady's Human
07-11-2010, 10:56 PM
How about we start by getting the Federal Government back into its Constitutional role and start paring away the pieces which aren't authorised by either amendment of the establishment clauses?

Lady's Human
07-12-2010, 12:00 AM
Every four years, the DoD goes through a bottom up review of programs called the Quadrennial Defense Review.

There are no sacred cows in the QDR, and if it is used properly, it leads to the elimination of boondoggles such as FCS, Land Warrior, RAH-66, and other vaporware.

The concet of the QDR needs to be put in place for the Federal bureaucracy as a whole. Why on earth we still have the Rural Electrification Commission in place is beyond me (Though it is no longer a separate entity, it has been rolled into the Department of Agriculture).

No program should be exempt, with the exception of those programs/budget items which are required constitutionally.

I really like one of Heinlein's ideas about government. No more automatic extensions for programs. Vote EVERY YEAR to either continue them or not. An added bonus to that would be that Congress would then be so tied up keeping the Government running they wouldn't have time to interfere more in areas where they shouldn't be treading to begin with.

blue
07-12-2010, 12:38 AM
Right where they always are on these issues, working to end this type
of treatment of women.

So other then supporting laws in the United States what are they doing actually in Islamic countries to improve womens rights? A petition in the US isnt doing much for the woman slated to be stoned to death. How many members of the womens rights group you belong to are in Afghanistan working on womens rights?


Some men in America use, the same logic by using the "she was
asking for it" defense.



Bad example and you know it. It is not culturally accepted here and the men who use that defense are almost universally prosecuted for trying to use it.

Bonny
07-12-2010, 07:59 AM
Next year I will be able to collect my social security & I am currently working part time being paid & volunterring hours to help the non profit place I work for keep their doors open. I work for mimimum wage when I do get paid. I also work with 3 young teenagers who drive cars & have cell phones & dress nicely. They don't clean toilets, sit on their asses complain over who's turn it is to give the next tour. Just damn down right lazy along with the rest of the children in the USA. They have it all & seem to want more. You know what I think you should all do is get off your fat lazy asses get out there find a job & work. You want it all then earn it.

As far as social security I earned it damn it. Whatever I spend will go back into my community. Lets have some of those Federal & State employees take a pay cut! The fat cats in Washington keep giving themselves raisies while the rest of us are suppose to suck it up. Locally our county attornery along with a bunch of county employees wanted raises while in the mean time our county roads are going to hell.

Another thing this country would not be in the hole if people paid their debts. Living beyond ones means can cause that.

I think we should clean up our own mess here in the good old USA first. As far as the Muslims go. They come here to work or live, plan on changing your life style or don't come here. Womens rights & the freedoms we have here don't exist in Muslim countries never have & never will. It a part of their so called culture. Men rule & women are just there to use & abuse.

As far as the war goes there is oil, minerals, things our greedy country can use. It is not just about terrorists their is more to it then that.

The problems in the USA come from within. It is all about greed & power & it sucking us all in.

Lady's Human
07-12-2010, 08:26 AM
Next year I will be able to collect my social security & I am currently working part time being paid & volunterring hours to help the non profit place I work for keep their doors open. I work for mimimum wage when I do get paid. I also work with 3 young teenagers who drive cars & have cell phones & dress nicely. They don't clean toilets, sit on their asses complain over who's turn it is to give the next tour. Just damn down right lazy along with the rest of the children in the USA. They have it all & seem to want more. You know what I think you should all do is get off your fat lazy asses get out there find a job & work. You want it all then earn it.



You paint with a brush which is overly broad. I know younger people in jobs who work their butts off.



As far as social security I earned it damn it. Whatever I spend will go back into my community. Lets have some of those Federal & State employees take a pay cut!



You don't think I earn my pay? I beg to differ.




The fat cats in Washington keep giving themselves raisies while the rest of us are suppose to suck it up. Locally our county attornery along with a bunch of county employees wanted raises while in the mean time our county roads are going to hell.


So vote their collective behinds out of office and give them a permanent vacation. I tire of hearing these gripes and seeing polls with 14% approval for congress, yet the incumbent re-election rate is over 90%.

They can't be too bad if you keep sending them back to Congress and their other elected jobs.




Another thing this country would not be in the hole if people paid their debts. Living beyond ones means can cause that.


How about having Congress loan money only to people who can afford to pay it back, and not punish banks with fines for good business practices in lending? Congress writes the rules the banks play by. Congress mandated that banks accept a certain % of sub prime loans. I know people with jobs in the $30-40K/year brakcet who were approved for over $250K in home loans. They didn't take them, but the money was there if they wanted it.



Womens rights & the freedoms we have here don't exist in Muslim countries never have & never will. It a part of their so called culture. Men rule & women are just there to use & abuse.



Again, an awfully broad brush. Prior to the Soviet invasion, women were doing pretty well in Afghanistan. There are also majority muslim countries with secular governments where women are allowed freedom.





As far as the war goes there is oil, minerals, things our greedy country can use. It is not just about terrorists their is more to it then that.

The problems in the USA come from within. It is all about greed & power & it sucking us all in.


Ahhhh, back to the war is about oil.........

What have oil prices done since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Last time I checked they went up.

Here's an idea:

Drill where the oil and Natural Gas are available in the US, get GE back in the business of producing Nuclear reactors for civilian use, open up Yucca Mountain (but whatever you do, leave that waste in such a manner so we can get to it later......we might find uses for it), and end the NIMBY movement with regards to energy.

Either that or go back to an early 19th century societal energy use across the board.

I have no issue with either option, but pick one and deal with the reality. You CANNOT have things both ways.

Bonny
07-12-2010, 08:55 AM
You all wanted an opinion I jumped in. Politics as usual. My beliefs are broad so be it, they are my beliefs. Politicans are politicans they are all crooks, I don't care who you vote in. They start out with good ideas & get sucked in to it with the good old boys. Those kids that have jobs good for them maybe more kids will get out their & try to earn a wage instead of expecting mommy & daddy to pay for everything while the whole family goes into debt because they are living beyond their means.

Can you tell me why these banks are building big new buildings all over the USA? They must not be hurting to bad. MY son & daughter in law want to add on to their house & the banks are taking them for a roller coaster ride.

Lets go for other choices when it comes to powering our homes, cars, industry etc. Wind Generators are a start. Thermo energy, using the sun. All the things that are naturally there. Nuclear energy scars me to tell you the truth. Those barrels stored in that mountain are probably leaking as we speak.

As far as the Muslims go they have to change things their self. In Iraq, Bush had planned on educating the next generation, well it is not working out. The people are pissed over there they don't want our Western ideals crammed down their throats.

We all may have to give up something in the future if things keep going the way they are. Actually we have already so to speak. I know it is a broad response. ;)

Lady's Human
07-12-2010, 09:11 AM
Wind power is a very, very partial solution, as the wind doesn't blow 24/7, and the NIMBY crowd (strangely enough a large % of them are pushing for alternative energy, just not where they can see it)

Solar also is a very partial solution, with one caveat: Fund the hell out of NASA, and give the 10 years to have a solar power satellite system in place. Otherwise, you're limited to powering individual locations with photovoltaic cells, and there are some REALLY nasty chemicals used in manufacturing them. Eventually our house will probably be using them for supplemental power, but they aren't a solution unless you live in Arizona.

The other problem with both wind and solar is that you cannot efficiently transmit electricity over large areas. The loss is substantial Besides, as the recent fiasco in upstate NY shows, even high voltage lines aren't immune from NIMBY. (Unless you get into REALLY high voltages, and then forget even getting a permit to look at maybe possibly building a grid. China has accomplished extremely high voltage grid lines, we have not)

Nukes? TMI gave the residents in the immediate area an extra dental X-ray. It wasn't failure, it was proof of concept.

Chernobyl cannot happen in the US, as we don't use that type of reactor.

Barrels leaking in Yucca Mountain? They can't be. Last time I checked, there weren't any there.

Until people really decide they want alternative energy, it's not going to happen. The one option we know how to implement on a large enough scale to be an impact immediately is Nuclear, but it's so expensive legally that it's practically pointless to even ask for a permit for a plant.

lizbud
07-12-2010, 09:26 AM
Wind power is a very, very partial solution, as the wind doesn't blow 24/7, and the NIMBY crowd (strangely enough a large % of them are pushing for alternative energy, just not where they can see it)

Solar also is a very partial solution, with one caveat: Fund the hell out of NASA, and give the 10 years to have a solar power satellite system in place. Otherwise, you're limited to powering individual locations with photovoltaic cells, and there are some REALLY nasty chemicals used in manufacturing them. Eventually our house will probably be using them for supplemental power, but they aren't a solution unless you live in Arizona.

The other problem with both wind and solar is that you cannot efficiently transmit electricity over large areas. The loss is substantial Besides, as the recent fiasco in upstate NY shows, even high voltage lines aren't immune from NIMBY. (Unless you get into REALLY high voltages, and then forget even getting a permit to look at maybe possibly building a grid. China has accomplished extremely high voltage grid lines, we have not)

Nukes? TMI gave the residents in the immediate area an extra dental X-ray. It wasn't failure, it was proof of concept.

Chernobyl cannot happen in the US, as we don't use that type of reactor.

Barrels leaking in Yucca Mountain? They can't be. Last time I checked, there weren't any there.

Until people really decide they want alternative energy, it's not going to happen. The one option we know how to implement on a large enough scale to be an impact immediately is Nuclear, but it's so expensive legally that it's practically pointless to even ask for a permit for a plant.



Thought the subject was Religion ? and who peed in your Cheerios this AM?:D

Lady's Human
07-12-2010, 09:33 AM
Shifted from religion to the economy to energy about midway up the page.

I can't reference who did what in my wheaties this morning, as it is part of an ongoing investigation.

Bonny
07-12-2010, 09:39 AM
Blame it all on Pucky he started it further up the page. :p

Puckstop31
07-12-2010, 12:49 PM
Next year I will be able to collect my social security & I am currently working part time being paid & volunterring hours to help the non profit place I work for keep their doors open. I work for mimimum wage when I do get paid. I also work with 3 young teenagers who drive cars & have cell phones & dress nicely. They don't clean toilets, sit on their asses complain over who's turn it is to give the next tour. Just damn down right lazy along with the rest of the children in the USA. They have it all & seem to want more. You know what I think you should all do is get off your fat lazy asses get out there find a job & work. You want it all then earn it.

Did you ever wonder why we (society) let our children get away with being lazy? I wonder if it has anything to do with discipline being so taboo? (Thank you Dr. Spock, moron.)

Before you respond, remember that it is those lazy kids who will be providing you your SS check....


As far as social security I earned it damn it. Whatever I spend will go back into my community.

Earned it? Last I checked, SS was not an investment system. The current working people pay for the current retired people. It is NOT a bank account saved up just for you. So, knowing that....

What happens 10 years or less down the road? When there are VASTLY more people drawing SS than paying into it? Something will HAVE to give.

There are no easy answer to the problems we face. There HAS to be pain. Pick your poison I reckon.


Lets have some of those Federal & State employees take a pay cut! The fat cats in Washington keep giving themselves raisies while the rest of us are suppose to suck it up. Locally our county attornery along with a bunch of county employees wanted raises while in the mean time our county roads are going to hell.

Better yet... Make public employee unions illegal. Let the cream get paid what they are worth and the less than cream.... What they are worth. You know, a free labor market?

As it stands now, in my state at least, the taxpayer is the one on the hook if the public employee pension system cannot afford its payouts. In times like this when the economy is down... Is it really fair to further burden those already deep in it to pay MORE? If everybody else is taking a cut, why not government?



The problems in the USA come from within. It is all about greed & power & it sucking us all in.

Who's greed and lust for power are you talking about?

Puckstop31
07-12-2010, 12:50 PM
You all wanted an opinion I jumped in. Politics as usual. My beliefs are broad so be it, they are my beliefs.

I don't want to speak for LH, but I am not trying to 'prove you wrong'. I think this is a good discussion.

:)

Lady's Human
07-12-2010, 01:18 PM
Puck, there's a REASON I'm an officer for what is, for all intents and purposes, a public employees' Union.

Research the labor conditions in the US Post Office prior to 1970 and it might open your eyes to see why the APWU exists.

For another example of why we need Unions, read:

http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20100708/BUSINESS/7080377/1108/Henry-Street-post-office-inspected-for-electrical-violations

and take into consideration that management at the plant has been screwing with the employees repeatedly about BS safety violations, but when someone finally has had enough and calls OSHA for real violations, what happens?

I spent this morning in a pre-disciplinary interview for my comments to OSHA.

Bonny
07-12-2010, 02:15 PM
Pucky, That is what bothers me, these kids that get whatever they want, whenever they want. There probably won't be any S.S. left but I am going to enjoy it while I can. A person can not just rely on S.S. to tied you over & if a person is smart there will be cash under the mattress. :D

When I talk about THEY, I mean the politicans & the richer than richer that control this country. You can throw the big CORPS.,in there too but they are owned by the richer than rich anyways.

Unions?!?! My dad belonged to the railroad union my husband United Parcel Service Union. If you didn't want to be working a 12 hour day 7 days a week with only a day off a month like my grandfather did on the railroad when there were no unions then a union would make sense. The employees pay into the union so it does not involve the state or federal funds that I know of. There are mom & pop companys in this country that still exist where you don't need a union they are good to you & you are like family. But when you get into the big Corps. you better have your back side protected.

Those wind generators may not work in your part of the country but they do here in the Midwest. The Dakotas & Nebraska have them all over the place along with Minnesota & Iowa. We also have grain ethonal plants the greenies don't like them, but whatever surplus corn we have goes to them to make ethonal & it is blended into the gas. Everyone has to keep trying to come up with something that will work, we can't be dependent on oil forever.

Yes this is a good discussion. I don't have numbers to back any thing up & when you do have numbers where do they come from? It would be like I won the championship with my steer at the fair. No one asks how many were in the class with me? What if there was only one other person & they got reserve? ;)

Puckstop31
07-12-2010, 02:36 PM
Puck, there's a REASON I'm an officer for what is, for all intents and purposes, a public employees' Union.

Research the labor conditions in the US Post Office prior to 1970 and it might open your eyes to see why the APWU exists.

For another example of why we need Unions, read:

http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20100708/BUSINESS/7080377/1108/Henry-Street-post-office-inspected-for-electrical-violations

and take into consideration that management at the plant has been screwing with the employees repeatedly about BS safety violations, but when someone finally has had enough and calls OSHA for real violations, what happens?

I spent this morning in a pre-disciplinary interview for my comments to OSHA.

If the primary goal of being safe, was the mission of public employee unions, i'd be behind you. But when my property taxes go up 15% so that the teachers don't have simply not get a raise ONE year.... And so they don't have to contribute ONE CENT to their super-duper cadillac health plan... AND so they can build a shiny new stadium for the worst performing high school in the county... AND so that their pension plan remains solvent... All in a time of financial crisis.. (Except for public employee union members I guess.)

Ya see where I am going?

We told our staff... If it ever came up that we have to unionize our company, we are just closing the doors.

I get the safety thing. What I can't stand is the stuff I described.

Lady's Human
07-12-2010, 03:12 PM
Puck, I just sent you a PM, but for everyone else:

If I wrote a novel about the reality of the USPS and tried to sell it as fiction, it would fail, as no one would believe it.

Puckstop31
07-12-2010, 03:24 PM
Pucky, That is what bothers me, these kids that get whatever they want, whenever they want. There probably won't be any S.S. left but I am going to enjoy it while I can. A person can not just rely on S.S. to tied you over & if a person is smart there will be cash under the mattress. :D

What do I tell my kid(s) then?


Unions?!?! My dad belonged to the railroad union my husband United Parcel Service Union. If you didn't want to be working a 12 hour day 7 days a week with only a day off a month like my grandfather did on the railroad when there were no unions then a union would make sense. The employees pay into the union so it does not involve the state or federal funds that I know of. There are mom & pop companys in this country that still exist where you don't need a union they are good to you & you are like family. But when you get into the big Corps. you better have your back side protected.

I have no problem with private company unions. So long as the employee knows what he is getting into.


Everyone has to keep trying to come up with something that will work, we can't be dependent on oil forever. I agree 100%. But until we get 'there', what do we do?


Yes this is a good discussion. I don't have numbers to back any thing up & when you do have numbers where do they come from? It would be like I won the championship with my steer at the fair. No one asks how many were in the class with me? What if there was only one other person & they got reserve? ;)

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html


http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/



For starters... But, any one can do the math. Look at the current debt. Add the current (projected) deficit. Look at the pending number of retirees, then compare that to the number of people who will be working and paying SS taxes.

Something HAS to give. One way or the other. Wait till all the 'stimulus' money is spent, with nothing to show for it, save shiny new roads and bridges. 2.5 trillion or so in 'new' money, chasing the original amount of goods and services.....

Simply put, the government(s) has to stop spending money like they are.

Bonny
07-12-2010, 07:40 PM
Right now the farmers in this country are needing help & are asking our own people to come & work for them. It is hard work but the rewards are great exercise, accomplishment getting the crops in, do you think any of our people will want to help out? Oh & we would all be paid most likely a minimum wage. This is true I heard it on our local farm forum this morning.

There probably won't be any social security, sorry kids you probably will be living under a different kind of government. We owe China big time maybe they will take over our country.

Haven't BO & the rest of his friends talked about a world government? Maybe that is where we are heading? :confused:

Puckstop31
07-12-2010, 10:24 PM
Right now the farmers in this country are needing help & are asking our own people to come & work for them. It is hard work but the rewards are great exercise, accomplishment getting the crops in, do you think any of our people will want to help out? Oh & we would all be paid most likely a minimum wage. This is true I heard it on our local farm forum this morning.

I've been trying to get back into dairy farming for a long time now. 18 months ago it was really serious. But most guys are only getting 11-14$ a hundred weight right now. The 'good' predictions talk about $16.

I bet you know why the prices are what they are....

Why should I work my self to death, 7 days a week to break even, HOPEULLY? Even with a 300 head herd (260ish milkers).... If only the market determined prices....


There probably won't be any social security, sorry kids you probably will be living under a different kind of government. We owe China big time maybe they will take over our country.

Would you be willing to sacrifice anything to help your posterity?


Haven't BO & the rest of his friends talked about a world government? Maybe that is where we are heading? :confused:

Who knows? You can draw comparisons from Biblical prophecy.

How do you feel about that? The idea of the United States (or any nations really) conceding it's soverginty to the UN?

Bonny
07-13-2010, 07:06 AM
There are still mom & pop farms hanging in there but it takes a whole family some of which work outside the farm to keep it going. Farming is likea roller coaster ride up & down. Been there did that.;) Eighteen years of hogs did help finally pay off the morgage though. A person has to learn to deversify & farm half the country to make a real go of it now. Seven days a week being your OWN BOSS, I use to like that. :)

The kids have to get off the couch & find their own way. There is a lot out there for them now & they should take advantage of it but most are to busy texting. :( I already lovingly (it comes from the heart) give my time volunteering hours helping out with a program for troubled youth, & mentally physically challagened adults. I still am going to draw my S.S. & it will go back into my local community. Got to start somewhere. There are a lot of non profits in my area that need volunteers & help finanically. A person gives back to which you have taken. I am confident I can do a better job of it than our government has so far.

The United Nations is suppose to be a peace keeper if I remember from my years of public schooling. It would be scary to concede our sovergnity. This country is use to doing its' own thing just like we are use to doing our own thing. Only time will tell?

lizbud
07-14-2010, 05:43 PM
Time to inject a religious debate into the stew. There's been a lot of "politics" and not so much "religion". Here's where they may intersect:

In Europe, some countries wish to ban burqas and niqabs because they hide the whole face. Those against the ban say that it infringes on religious (specifically, Muslim) sensibilities. I am for the ban, because the human face is the gold standard right now for recognizing people (that's why there are photos on passports, licenses, etc.) It is needed for security purposes.

I've been thinking about this and other clothing rules in religious dogma for some reason. So where should the line be drawn? There have been other controversies about religious garb/hair rules, especially where they interfere with job safety, etc. For example, orthodox Jews or Sikhs with their beards, and full-face respirators comes to mind.

Not a very coherent statement, but what do you all think?



Wondered if you had noticed that France passed the ban in one House
of their Parliement. The vote was 335 to 1 supporting the ban of face
coverings. The law now goes to the Senate where it is thought to pass
also. Although, it should not come up for vote till maybe September.

lizbud
07-14-2010, 06:30 PM
I'm glad that cooler heads prevailed. This group will never be taken
seriously unless they tone down the outright HATE within the group.

http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_15513544?source=rss&nclick_check=1

Lady's Human
07-14-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't see the issue. The DNC and their shills did that and worse with the previous administration.

Why is it now hatred, when before it was merely expressing their disagreement with the "regime" in D.C.?

RICHARD
07-14-2010, 11:16 PM
Puck, I just sent you a PM, but for everyone else:

If I wrote a novel about the reality of the USPS and tried to sell it as fiction, it would fail, as no one would believe it.

LOL, I'll write the sequel from the SEIU standpoint and we will both lose money?

blue
07-15-2010, 12:58 AM
A few years ago hanging or burning Shrub in effigy was considered dissent and patriotic. My own brother made the front page of USA Today holding a picture of Shrub portrayed as hitler, not just comparing him to hitler but actually as hitler.

Fast forward to today, comparing Barry to his peers in history is HATE? What happened to dissent being patriotic?

lizbud
07-15-2010, 09:29 AM
I don't see the issue.




North Iowa Tea Party co-founder Bob Johnson said he and other leaders agreed with critics that the image of Obama between Hitler and Lenin was offensive.

"They are absolutely right in their criticism because the image of Hitler just totally wiped everything else and it misrepresents the tea party movement," Johnson said. "They were right from the standpoint that the image was not a positive reflection on the tea people."

Puckstop31
07-15-2010, 10:27 AM
North Iowa Tea Party co-founder Bob Johnson said he and other leaders agreed with critics that the image of Obama between Hitler and Lenin was offensive.

"They are absolutely right in their criticism because the image of Hitler just totally wiped everything else and it misrepresents the tea party movement," Johnson said. "They were right from the standpoint that the image was not a positive reflection on the tea people."

Exactly. They admitted it was wrong, apologized and moved on. Its called owning your mistakes.

I'm no big fan of GWB, but I must have missed the apologies for comparing GWB to Hitler???

blue
07-15-2010, 11:48 PM
For educational purposes... What are acceptable forms of expression, and what are considered expressions of HATE to left wing loon... sorry, to Progressives?
Acceptable.


http://janeqrepublican.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/120-2044_img.jpg

http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/effigy.jpg

http://files.myopera.com/akpostal/albums/857054/hitler_bush.jpg



And this is HATE.


http://hope-alexander.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/barack-obama-adolf-hitler.bmp

http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/change-hitler-obama-lenin.jpg

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/08/07/ObamaJoker.jpg

Bonny
07-16-2010, 07:25 AM
With BO, he is heading us in the direction of SOCIALISM no qualms about it. It doesn't take a bunch of posters with adolph on them to tell us that we already KNOW.:rolleyes:;)

caseysmom
07-16-2010, 12:20 PM
With BO, he is heading us in the direction of SOCIALISM no qualms about it. It doesn't take a bunch of posters with adolph on them to tell us that we already KNOW.:rolleyes:;)

This statement makes no sense...you have no qualms about it or what???

RICHARD
07-16-2010, 02:24 PM
http://files.myopera.com/akpostal/albums/857054/hitler_bush.jpg



http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af68/xxlt/lol.jpg;)

Bonny
07-16-2010, 07:00 PM
What I mean is in reality we are stuck with BO & his Socialistic Ideals until the next election.

Karen
07-16-2010, 07:25 PM
Out of curiosity, what about Barack Obama strikes you as being Socialist?

Lady's Human
07-16-2010, 08:32 PM
Government bailouts of private corporations )TARP and its continuation)
Government takeover of 1/7th of the economy (HCR)
Direct government ownership of corporations and banks through the bailouts
Government controls (not regulations, but control) of free market systems (Banks, stock market)

Bonny
07-16-2010, 09:05 PM
Government Control of Health Care

Let the Government do everything for you while you give up your freedoms. Eating Away of Democracy the Birthing of Socialism.

blue
07-16-2010, 10:58 PM
My point was that is historically correct to compare Obama to Stalin, and Hitler, but that is considered HATE. While comparing Bush to Hitler is acceptable but historically inaccurate. There is a double standard when it comes to the loony lef... sorry, the Progressives.

Like the ACLU, they bring out the big guns when a minority is discriminated against but do nothing when the New Black Panthers intimidate voters. The ACLU goes all guns blazing for the Fist Amendment but sits quietly when the Second Amendment is trampled on. Or the NAACP, a group based on race, accusing the Tea Party Movement of "racist element and activities".

Bonny
07-17-2010, 07:18 AM
Lady's Human & Blu, I can more than agree with you. Right on. ;)

lizbud
07-24-2010, 07:22 PM
Just what we don't need right now is another war, "sacred" or otherwise.

US aircraft carrier ups pressure on NKorea
Published - Jul 24 2010 06:07PM EST

By ERIC TALMADGE - Associated Press Writer


ABOARD USS GEORGE WASHINGTON — A massive nuclear-powered U.S. supercarrier began maneuvers Sunday with ally South Korea in a potent show of force that North Korea has threatened could lead to "sacred war."

The military drills, code-named "Invincible Spirit," are to run through Wednesday with about 8,000 U.S. and South Korean troops, 20 ships and submarines and 200 aircraft. The Nimitz-class USS George Washington, with several thousand sailors and dozens of fighters aboard, was deployed from Japan.

The North routinely threatens attacks whenever South Korea and the U.S. hold joint military drills, which Pyongyang sees as a rehearsal for an invasion. The U.S. keeps 28,500 troops in South Korea and another 50,000 in Japan, but says it has no intention of invading the North.

Still, the North's latest rhetoric threatening "nuclear deterrence" and "sacred war" carries extra weight following the sinking of a South Korean warship that killed 46 sailors. Seoul and Washington say a North Korean torpedo was responsible for the March sinking of the Cheonan, considered the worst military attack on the South since the 1950-53 Korean War.

The American and South Korean defense chiefs announced earlier in the week they would stage the military drills to send a clear message to North Korea to stop its "aggressive" behavior.

The exercises will be the first in a series of U.S.-South Korean maneuvers to be conducted in the Sea of Japan off Korea's east coast and in the Yellow Sea closer to China's shores in international waters. The exercises also are the first to employ the F-22 stealth fighter _ which can evade North Korean air defenses _ in South Korea.

South Korea was closely monitoring North Korea's military, but no unusual activity had been observed Saturday, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.

North Korea, which denies any involvement in the sinking of the Cheonan warship, has warned the United States against attempting to punish it.

"The army and people of the DPRK will legitimately counter with their powerful nuclear deterrence the largest-ever nuclear war exercises to be staged by the U.S. and the South Korean puppet forces," North Korea's official news agency in Pyongyang quoted an unnamed government spokesman as saying. North Korea's official name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Though the impoverished North has a large conventional military and the capability to build nuclear weapons, it is not believed to have the technology needed to use nuclear devices as warheads.

Its rhetoric regarding using nuclear deterrence was seen by most as bluster, but its angry response to the maneuvers underscores the rising tensions in the region.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton announced Wednesday, after visiting the Demilitarized Zone dividing the two Koreas, that the U.S. would slap new sanctions on the North to stifle its nuclear ambitions and punish it for the Cheonan sinking.

On Friday, the European Union said it, too, would consider new sanctions on North Korea.

The North's Foreign Ministry said Saturday that Pyongyang will further strengthen its nuclear deterrent and again mentioned "powerful physical measures" in response to the U.S. military provocations and sanctions.

In an apparent bow to China, the George Washington will participate in the exercise in the Sea of Japan, but there are no plans for it to enter the Yellow Sea for the subsequent exercises.

China, a traditional North Korean ally, has voiced concerns that military drills in the Yellow Sea could inflame tensions on the Korean Peninsula and also fears exercises too close to its own shores could breach Chinese security.

The George Washington had been expected to join in exercises off Korea sooner, but the Navy delayed those plans as the United Nations Security Council met to deliberate what action it should take over the Cheonan sinking.

The council eventually condemned the incident, but stopped short of naming North Korea as the perpetrator.


__ Associated Press writer Kwang-Tae Kim in Seoul contributed to this report.

blue
07-25-2010, 12:32 AM
Im going to agree with Liz. We dont need another war when we have a CIC who doesnt have a backbone.

RICHARD
07-25-2010, 08:26 AM
Im going to agree with Liz. We dont need another war when we have a CIC who doesnt have a backbone.

I disagree and agree.

Should they "boil" some water in the Sea of Japan?

We make glass on the penisula and end all THAT BS.

It won't be a long protracted war, we know who the enemy is and we don't have to pussyfoot around with any religious and ethical crap.

I kinda admire the NK swagger and stupidity.

They don't hide behind the population, we know where they are and I can bet that 1 million NKA regulars would love to see the head AH get wiped off the face of the earth.

DONE.

And how many times has that little twerp threatened us?

lizbud
07-25-2010, 10:32 AM
Im going to agree with Liz. We dont need another war when we have a CIC who doesnt have a backbone.


Why don't need another war has nothing to do with the President's
character and everything to do with the national debt. We can't afford it.

blue
07-25-2010, 10:52 AM
Why don't need another war has nothing to do with the President's
character and everything to do with the national debt. We can't afford it.

Growwing the National Debt is the only thing Barry is good at.

RICHARD
07-25-2010, 02:50 PM
Why don't need another war has nothing to do with the President's
character and everything to do with the national debt. We can't afford it.

The prez has character?

Oh, you must mean that AH Rahm Emmanuel, Now that is a character.:confused:

-------------

Nuke NK, do it fast and clean.

Do not waste time, pass go and I'll ship in for the gas and pilot for the mission.

Puckstop31
07-25-2010, 04:07 PM
A conventional war with the DPRK would not last very long. At best, they operate equipment whose hayday was in the 1960's. There is, however, a LOT of it. If they could achieve strategic surprise and successfully deploy their large 'special forces' units, they could make a mess of things for a day or two.

But they have nothing that could even come close to matching what happens to them when SK, Japanese and US airpower gets involved.

The 'war' part of a conflict with the DPRK is the 'easy' part to deal with. How Russia and China react is a complicating factor... Add to that the massive humanitarian crisis that happens after the DPRK's government is gone. THAT would be the expensive and complicated part.


All IMHO, of course.

Lady's Human
07-25-2010, 04:57 PM
With thousands of artillery pieces in the mountains north of Seoul, it would be a bloodbath. Our best tools for dealing with them are all in mothballs (I remember well Dad telling me about the New Jersey turning hill 368 into hill 320), and there are some things which require large amount of explosive delivered in a penetrating package at a high arc. Precision is alot, but it ain't everything.

Conventional war on the Korean Peninsula would be damned ugly. There would be two humanitarian crises, the first being the massive amount of civilian casualties in Seoul and the surrounding areas, the second being integration with the North and South after the war was over.

China holds Kim's leash, so it's not going to happen. We get into a war with Korea, China backs the North, and the US simply voids all China's bond holdings as a result of their support of the north.

Russia, at that point, would be sitting on the sidelines laughing, as China is their enemy in more ways than one.

Puckstop31
07-25-2010, 09:01 PM
With thousands of artillery pieces in the mountains north of Seoul, it would be a bloodbath. Our best tools for dealing with them are all in mothballs (I remember well Dad telling me about the New Jersey turning hill 368 into hill 320), and there are some things which require large amount of explosive delivered in a penetrating package at a high arc. Precision is alot, but it ain't everything.

A 2000lb JDAM makes a rather large mess. Or, a MLRS firing platoon, talking to a FIREFINDER MI unit, with a FBCB2.... A conventional artillery battery might get 6 rounds down range before the rain comes. You know, all those 'video game' gadgets we have. The reason why western militaries outclass potential opponents in every way... Even though 'we' are almost always heavily outnumbered.

Of course, that is all book work and peace time training stuff. The North DOES have a really, really, really large amount of artillery. It would certainly take a lot of time to get it all.


Conventional war on the Korean Peninsula would be damned ugly. There would be two humanitarian crises, the first being the massive amount of civilian casualties in Seoul and the surrounding areas, the second being integration with the North and South after the war was over.

China holds Kim's leash, so it's not going to happen. We get into a war with Korea, China backs the North, and the US simply voids all China's bond holdings as a result of their support of the north.

Russia, at that point, would be sitting on the sidelines laughing, as China is their enemy in more ways than one.

It is quite the large dookie sandwich.

RICHARD
07-25-2010, 10:27 PM
The 'war' part of a conflict with the DPRK is the 'easy' part to deal with. How Russia and China react is a complicating factor... Add to that the massive humanitarian crisis that happens after the DPRK's government is gone. THAT would be the expensive and complicated part.




You are correct, I was just putting the "wah" in war....:confused:;):D

RICHARD
07-27-2010, 03:58 PM
hahahahahah

I hope your hand hurts when you write out the check for the back taxes on your boat/yacht/dinghy, you Yutz.:D

Lady's Human
07-27-2010, 04:01 PM
He won't be writing any checks, he's an institution in MA. (assuming you're referring to Sen Kerry's yacht)

Here's an interesting angle on that one..........if he's claiming he's mooring the yacht in RI, which would arguably make him a resident there, is he eligible to be the Senator from Massachusetts?

Karen
07-27-2010, 04:13 PM
I kinda admire the NK swagger and stupidity.

They don't hide behind the population, we know where they are and I can bet that 1 million NKA regulars would love to see the head AH get wiped off the face of the earth.

DONE.

And how many times has that little twerp threatened us?


We do not know much of what the NK populace thinks, and remember, they are not much in touch with the rest of the world. Younger generations (since the end of the Korean (Police Action) War have been told since birth that their beloved leader is wonderful, the only one protecting them from evil outsiders, and is a fashion icon for the rest of the world, amongst other things. I doubt they would welcome him being killed, frankly.

Lady's Human
07-27-2010, 04:15 PM
We do not know much of what the NK populace thinks, and remember, they are not much in touch with the rest of the world. Younger generations (since the end of the Korean (Police Action) War have been told since birth that their beloved leader is wonderful, the only one protecting them from evil outsiders, and is a fashion icon for the rest of the world, amongst other things. I doubt they would welcome him being killed, frankly.

They might if it got them a full plate at the dinner table .

RICHARD
07-27-2010, 04:56 PM
Kim Jong-il: Best Golfer in the World

This is from a couple years ago- but it's too good not to post. North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il is the best golfer in the world, hands down. On his first ever trip to the golf course, he shot 38-under par, including 5 hole-in-ones! This is reported by the government controlled media. He routinely shoots 3 or 4 hole-in-ones every time out.

Their is only one course in North Korea and it plays to about 7,700 yards, making Jong-il's feat even more impressive. 38-under par on a course longer than almost any in the US = NOT BAD!

Just for fun- it is also important to note that the N. Korean media also reports that Jong-il bowled a perfect game-300, on his first time out bowling!

At about 5'3" and wearing that crazy jump suit of his, this is all very impressive.

-----------------------

http://www.oobgolf.com/content/fore+play/1-211-Kim_Jongil_Best_Golfer_in_the_World.html





O.k....


He does rock.:confused:;)

phesina
07-27-2010, 07:22 PM
hahahahahah

I hope your hand hurts when you write out the check for the back taxes on your boat/yacht/dinghy, you Yutz.:D

Which Yutz is this? I looked back a couple of pages' worth of postings but can't find what you are referring to.

Senator Kerry? What has he done now? I seem to have missed that too.

Lady's Human
07-27-2010, 07:26 PM
Hmmmm.....Sen. Kerry might actually be learning! (Either that or the wife's lawyers stepped in)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jiEqSiM_kEqSEnbAFURQP7v4scTAD9H7KVA81

RICHARD
07-27-2010, 08:34 PM
There once was a senator from Nantucket.
When it came to taxes he said, "Forget it".
He just cannot be trusted
for non-paid taxes he was busted.
And the payment? no, he won't buck it......

:confused:

wombat2u2004
07-27-2010, 10:03 PM
There once was a senator from Nantucket.
When it came to taxes he said, "Forget it".
He just cannot be trusted
for non-paid taxes he was busted.
And the payment? no, he won't buck it......

:confused:

Clap clap clap clap !!!! Well done Richard...I luv it :p

RICHARD
07-27-2010, 11:36 PM
Clap clap clap clap !!!! Well done Richard...I luv it :p

LOL, YOU rhyme Nantucket and forget it.:D;)

wombat2u2004
07-27-2010, 11:39 PM
LOL, YOU rhyme Nantucket and forget it.:D;)

So the trick is in the rhyme ????
Can we do one about Puck next time ???? :p

sparks19
07-27-2010, 11:57 PM
meh I was trying to come up with something clever to say....

but figured it was a waste since everyone already knows How I feel about the REAL puckstop :)

but nantucket and puck it rhyme... not a big stretch of the imagination. perhaps if you couldn't put those together poetry is not your forte.

I'm almost jealous of the obsession here :)

lizbud
07-28-2010, 10:10 AM
So the trick is in the rhyme ????
Can we do one about Puck next time ???? :p


I'll give it a go. Haven't written any poetry since high school, but I'll try.
The name is a bit of a drawback in rhyme, but it'll try to make it family friendly.:)

sparks19
07-28-2010, 11:23 AM
this stupid thread... thanks a lot Ricahrd. there I sat in bed this morning for an hour thinking of all the words I could come up with that rhyme with Nantucket :mad: :eek: :confused:

time I could have spent sleeping lol

RICHARD
07-28-2010, 05:32 PM
this stupid thread... thanks a lot Ricahrd. there I sat in bed this morning for an hour thinking of all the words I could come up with that rhyme with Nantucket :mad: :eek: :confused:

time I could have spent sleeping lol

I thought everyone slept thru English Comp.....:);)

Grace
07-29-2010, 01:25 PM
Next Tuesday, August 3rd, is Primary Day here in Michigan. I really dislike the system here.

When you walk into the polling place, you have to declare a party in order to get the correct ballot. (This is only for the primary, of course. General elections you get all the names, and don't have to declare.) Anyway, that R or D gets hooked up with your name. Then the Party feels it can inundate you with robocalls, mailings, all manner of junk from now to the end of time.

There are only two people for whom I want to vote, and of course, one is R, the other is D. One woman is running for the State Senate; the other is running for County Commissioner. Not a single gubernatorial candidate appeals to me, nor do any of the candidates for Congress.

Douglas has a similar problem - not wanting to be labeled - and where are the Libertarians?

:( :( :( :(

Puckstop31
07-29-2010, 01:51 PM
Wow Grace... That is a late date for a primary. Ours was in April. I actually registered as a "R" for the first time in years because there was guberantorial candidate I really liked. He lost. :( So, it will most likely be business as usual in PA. But on the bight side, they had a box on the form for "do not bug me" and so far, so good.

It would be on the state Libertarian party to organize a primary. Get on your local's to make it happen.


Any other states have primary's this late?

Grace
07-29-2010, 02:26 PM
Wow Grace... That is a late date for a primary. Ours was in April. I actually registered as a "R" for the first time in years because there was guberantorial candidate I really liked. He lost. :( So, it will most likely be business as usual in PA. But on the bight side, they had a box on the form for "do not bug me" and so far, so good.

It would be on the state Libertarian party to organize a primary. Get on your local's to make it happen.


Any other states have primary's this late?

Far back as I can remember, the primary has always been in August.

I love the do not bug me thing, and I might just write it on my form. Lately, whenever I get a robocall, I call the candidate's office and politely request our number be removed from their data base. I also call the Party headquarters. Some candidates are better about it than others. I pretty much tell them if they really want me to consider voting for them, they will NOT call :D

Karen
07-29-2010, 02:34 PM
There once was a senator from Nantucket.
When it came to taxes he said, "Forget it".
He just cannot be trusted
for non-paid taxes he was busted.
And the payment? no, he won't buck it......

:confused:

Well, maybe if he was FROM Nantucket ... but of course he was born in Brookline, has offices in Boston, Fall River and Springfield, MA - as well as Washington, DC. Boneheaded, sure - from Nantucket, no. Ask any Nantucket native - "Summer folks" are not real Nantucket people.

Lady's Human
07-29-2010, 02:42 PM
Well, maybe if he was FROM Nantucket ... but of course he was born in Brookline, has offices in Boston, Fall River and Springfield, MA - as well as Washington, DC. Boneheaded, sure - from Nantucket, no. Ask any Nantucket native - "Summer folks" are not real Nantucket people.

1) He's not a Nantucket person. He doesn't make his living off of the ocean.

2) This Yacht falls under the same heading as his brownstone in Bahstin. Complete and total disconnect with reality. He bought it, and decided he didn't like the fire hydrant in from of it, and had the City of Bastin move it at their expense.

Just think, Sen. Kerry was almost our President!

smokey the elder
07-29-2010, 03:06 PM
New York's primary is in September. The primary in 2001 was Sept. 11.

lizbud
07-29-2010, 06:33 PM
Well, finished my poem, actually it a limerick, my first.:D

There once was a guy named puck
who went for a ride in his truck
got hopelessly stuck in the mire & muck
and missed bringing home a big buck
Just no luck, poor, poor puck :(

Puckstop31
07-29-2010, 06:39 PM
I want my royalties.

;)

RICHARD
07-29-2010, 07:08 PM
The senator could "park" in Nantucket.
When it came to taxes he said, "Forget it".
He just cannot be trusted
for non-paid taxes he was busted.
And the payment? no, he won't buck it......

:confused:

Btw?

My prez ditched the 100th anniversary Jamoboree for the Boy Scouts to go hang with the hens from The View.

wombat2u2004
07-30-2010, 04:32 AM
Well, finished my poem, actually it a limerick, my first.:D

There once was a guy named puck
who went for a ride in his truck
got hopelessly stuck in the mire & muck
and missed bringing home a big buck
Just no luck, poor, poor puck :(

Brilliant !!!! Clap clap clap clap. :p

wombat2u2004
08-01-2010, 01:20 AM
For those puzzled how politicians get into power (and often stay there amidst the ruins), when their irrefutable track record is that they bankrupt govt at every level they "rule" over, every time they get into power, here is the answer.

-----Lesson from an actual scientific experiment

Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go
to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana.

As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all the other monkeys with cold
water. After a while, another monkey makes the attempt with same result,
all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put the cold water away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs.

To his shock, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and
attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new
one.

The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm.

Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth,
then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is
attacked.

Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not
permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating
of the newest monkey. After replacing all of the original monkeys, none of
the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water.

Nevertheless, No monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the
banana.

Why not?

Because as far as they know that is the way it has always been done around
here.

And that, my fellow monkeys, is how politicians operate....

THEREFORE, WE HAVE TO GET RID OF ALL THE INCUMBENT MONKEYS SO THERE WILL BE A NEW APPROACH TO GETTING THE BANANA'S :D

blue
08-01-2010, 01:26 AM
Cliff notes please?

lizbud
08-01-2010, 10:01 AM
For those puzzled how politicians get into power (and often stay there amidst the ruins), when their irrefutable track record is that they bankrupt govt at every level they "rule" over, every time they get into power, here is the answer.

-----Lesson from an actual scientific experiment

Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go
to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana.

As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all the other monkeys with cold
water. After a while, another monkey makes the attempt with same result,
all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put the cold water away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs.

To his shock, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and
attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new
one.

The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm.

Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth,
then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is
attacked.

Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not
permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating
of the newest monkey. After replacing all of the original monkeys, none of
the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water.

Nevertheless, No monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the
banana.

Why not?

Because as far as they know that is the way it has always been done around
here.

And that, my fellow monkeys, is how politicians operate....

THEREFORE, WE HAVE TO GET RID OF ALL THE INCUMBENT MONKEYS SO THERE WILL BE A NEW APPROACH TO GETTING THE BANANA'S :D



As Arte Johnson used to say....... Very interesting.:D I'll have to think about this.

Bonny
08-02-2010, 03:58 PM
That is why congress never gets anything done they are always monkeying around. :eek: We will just have to take their banana's away. :D

RICHARD
08-02-2010, 05:23 PM
Politcal Jesus,

As the 'swamp is drained' please remove Maxine Waters from the ranks of our Congress.

Amen.


---------------------------


Bwahahahahahah.

Moron.

wombat2u2004
08-02-2010, 08:36 PM
A little about how our system works here in Aus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1figCRVIwQ

Bonny
08-02-2010, 09:59 PM
Doesn't the Queen pick your Prime Minister? So you aren't completely free of the crown or the Brit's like we are. Zee Revolution, taxation without representation etc.

wombat2u2004
08-03-2010, 02:00 AM
Doesn't the Queen pick your Prime Minister? So you aren't completely free of the crown or the Brit's like we are. Zee Revolution, taxation without representation etc.

The Queen ??? No way !!!! She wouldn't be able to pick her own underwear :D
No, we have our own system of Government here that's run by Aussies. We have a Governor General, but just like the Queen, he's just a figurehead who does nothing but go to lunches. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

RICHARD
08-03-2010, 10:58 AM
We have a Governor General, but just like the Queen, he's just a figurehead who does nothing but go to lunches. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The man HAS to eat!;):eek:

Grace
08-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Well, they have changed things. I went to vote and did not have to declare a party preference. I was given a ballot - Republicans on one side, Democrats on the other. I was reminded I could only vote on one side.

I know that in the past we had to state the party ballot we wanted. I'm so glad they changed it. Once the dust settles, I will call both state party organizations, and all candidates and request our phone number be removed from their records. If they call - they will not get our vote.

Figure this one out. There is a candidate for Congress, and we received a robocall from his wife - and the phone number was a Virginia number :confused: I know he was a Marine, and probably stationed in that state once - but come on . . . . .

Bonny
08-03-2010, 01:02 PM
Does anyone get a call from their state Senator where you can join in on a town meeting by phone? I have got to be in on two so far. We have a rotary phone so I can't push the star to ask a question but I can listen to everyones questions & the Senators answers.

wombat2u2004
08-04-2010, 07:17 PM
The man HAS to eat!;):eek:

Yeah, but it would be nice if the flea paid his own way. :p

RICHARD
08-05-2010, 08:15 PM
I am totally ticked off at the moment.


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My prez decided to skip the Centennial Jamboree for the Boy Scouts of America to go visit the hags of The View........

My best friend's son saved for a YEAR before attending this three week 'vacation' culminating with the jamoboree.

I just got off the phone with his mom and she told me that he called her and he was so disappointed the he decided NOT to show up.

There have only been TWO presidents who have not shown up for the event.

I think she said Roosevelt and Eisenhower were the two, FDR could not because of his illness and I didn't catch the reason Ike passed on it.


There were 45,000 scouts and others that attended the event in Virginia and there was supposedly a buzz about BO showing up.

He could have at least flown over and emptied the holding tanks on AF1 over site.......At least give the kids an fn cheap thrill.

There is an Eagle Scout Merit Badge awarded for Citizen of the Country?

The requirements are that my buddy write a letter to a 'person in power' to have it awarded.

As much as I want to write the letter for him?

I will pass, but will encourage him to make his feelings known.......

"I'd rather go see Joy Behar than try to inspire the youth of today."



Morons, one and all.:mad:

wombat2u2004
08-05-2010, 08:20 PM
I am totally ticked off at the moment.
My prez decided to skip the Centennial Jamboree for the Boy Scouts of America

Well mate, I guess those scouts will have to bring home those tomatoes and cabbages that they saved up to throw at the Pres. :p

wombat2u2004
08-05-2010, 08:23 PM
We have elections soon. And Julia Gillard (our first female Prime Minister) is hoping to get re-elected.
We even have businesses supporting her.....like KFC.
They have just released the new "Gillard Snack Box". Two small breasts and two large thighs :p:p

Bonny
08-05-2010, 08:28 PM
With BHO it sounds like politics as usual. :(

Bonny
08-05-2010, 08:31 PM
LOL! Australia is just like the US a big corporation supporting an (old?) (young?) hen running for office.

blue
08-06-2010, 11:53 PM
No, we have our own system of Government here that's run by Aussies.

I knew it!!

A Drinking Contest wins the PM of Aussie Land!!! No wonder yall keep the Ruskies out.

Do yall use the Wet TShirt contest for more then the local government postings?

blue
08-07-2010, 02:22 AM
Apps.GOV! (https://apps.gov/) Seriously APPS.GOV (https://apps.gov/)!

Our tax dollars at work.

Lady's Human
08-07-2010, 02:38 AM
Apps.GOV! (https://apps.gov/) Seriously APPS.GOV (https://apps.gov/)!

Our tax dollars at work.

So you don't want the government to use IT to streamline and boost efficiency?

blue
08-07-2010, 02:42 AM
So you don't want the government to use IT to streamline and boost efficiency?

Do I want .gov to supply me with IT to streamline and boost efficiency? NO!!!!! Sweet Baby Jebus NO!

Lady's Human
08-07-2010, 02:51 AM
Government computers are only allowed to run certain applications.

Anything from GSA can be relied on as being vetted, hence the apps store.

blue
08-07-2010, 02:57 AM
Government computers are only allowed to run certain applications.

Anything from GSA can be relied on as being vetted, hence the apps store.

So you would feel comfortable uploading your hard drive to the .gov?

I dont want any .gov app anywear near my computers.

Yeah Im a bit tinfoil hattish tonight.

Lady's Human
08-07-2010, 03:10 AM
If you read the disclaimers you'll see that the site is intended for government agency use only. Multiple agencies have their own intrawebs, the GSA site is on the internet so any agency can use it.

blue
08-07-2010, 03:17 AM
If it is for government use only why is it on the WWW? and not a .gov intranet?

Lady's Human
08-07-2010, 03:20 AM
Again, many agencies have their own intranets.

It's on the internet so any agency can access and use the GSA sites, rather than have a limited access .gov intranet, which would create major headaches for IT.

blue
08-07-2010, 03:29 AM
So why would anyone want a .GOV app?:rolleyes:

Lady's Human
08-07-2010, 03:38 AM
So why would anyone want a .GOV app?:rolleyes:

Again..........

it's not a .gov app.

It's a software site run by the General Services Administration to provide pre-vetted software to run in government networks and platforms.

An IT person can go to the GSA site, find the app they need, buy it through their department's purchase system and run it.

You cannot go out to pcmall and buy an off the shelf app and run it on a government system without vetting the app.

blue
08-07-2010, 03:50 AM
Again..........

it's not a .gov app.

It's a software site run by the General Services Administration to provide pre-vetted software to run in government networks and platforms.

An IT person can go to the GSA site, find the app they need, buy it through their department's purchase system and run it.

You cannot go out to pcmall and buy an off the shelf app and run it on a government system without vetting the app.

Its Mr President selling APPS.GOV with his Mac book. Its a service sold by the GSA. My tinfoil hat may be a bit tight tonight screw the .gov as a general rule. You may trust them but <tinfoil Hat>I Dont</tinfoil hat>

Lady's Human
08-07-2010, 03:57 AM
Again, and for the final time, it's not a public purchase site, it's for government agencies to purchase from.

To quote the disclaimer: (bold emphasis mine)

Before using/purchasing the products and services on apps.gov, please do so in accordance with your agency's policies and procedures pertaining to Procurement, Information Technology, Cyber Security, Privacy, Accessibility, Social Media, and any other applicable Federal mandates.

wombat2u2004
08-07-2010, 07:48 AM
I knew it!!

A Drinking Contest wins the PM of Aussie Land!!! No wonder yall keep the Ruskies out.

Do yall use the Wet TShirt contest for more then the local government postings?

Ol Julia might be good with a few drinks in her. I wouldn't mind getting her tanked up just to see what I'd get for nothin from her. (Mind you, she hasn't anything I'd pay for :D )

blue
08-07-2010, 11:17 PM
Again, and for the final time, it's not a public purchase site, it's for government agencies to purchase from.

To quote the disclaimer: (bold emphasis mine)

Before using/purchasing the products and services on apps.gov, please do so in accordance with your agency's policies and procedures pertaining to Procurement, Information Technology, Cyber Security, Privacy, Accessibility, Social Media, and any other applicable Federal mandates.

So now .gov is trying to be like the Apple App Store. If thats the case we may as well start voting from the rooftops. The POTUS cant even use a PC, as evidenced by his health care PSA, he needed a Mac and a teleprompter. He doesnt even respect his office or us.

blue
08-08-2010, 01:48 AM
Ol Julia might be good with a few drinks in her. I wouldn't mind getting her tanked up just to see what I'd get for nothin from her. (Mind you, she hasn't anything I'd pay for :D )

Julia? Pics?

wombat2u2004
08-08-2010, 05:14 AM
Julia? Pics?

Julia.....a typical lawyer....head like a biscuit tin.

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae186/wombat2u2004/julia-gillard1.jpg

Bonny
08-08-2010, 07:49 AM
But I bet has brains like Enstein. :D

lizbud
08-08-2010, 10:01 AM
Julia.....a typical lawyer....head like a biscuit tin.

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae186/wombat2u2004/julia-gillard1.jpg


Don't know anything about her politics, but all her brains appear to fit
nicely in that pretty head.:)

wombat2u2004
08-08-2010, 08:40 PM
Naw....I hate her. She's got broken biscuits for brains.

RICHARD
08-09-2010, 02:20 PM
The first lady went to Spain and all we got was the bill.

Bonny
08-09-2010, 03:10 PM
The first lady didn't even send us a post card saying having fun wish you were here. :(

RICHARD
08-09-2010, 03:18 PM
I changed my mind, If I was married and didn't like my wife, I'd let her go away for a while????:confused::rolleyes::o

Bonny
08-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Absence Makes The Heart Grow Fonder :love::cool:;)

RICHARD
08-10-2010, 01:04 PM
Fox news was doing a story on the Stevens Plane crash, the pics they showed were of a military cargo plane out of Elemendorf AFB. It crashed about a week ago..

-----------

Betcha the pilot was 'forced' to make the flight.

No one wants to spend time on a fiching trip, not fishing....:(

RICHARD
08-11-2010, 04:58 PM
I am moving to Russia.
http://www.aolnews.com/discuss/macho-vladimir-putin-battles-russias-raging-forest-fires/19589254

;)

wombat2u2004
08-11-2010, 09:12 PM
Putin is my new hero.
Swimming across icy rivers and riding bareback thru the wilderness is Rambo stuff.
So very brave.
So very brave.

RICHARD
08-11-2010, 09:14 PM
Putin is my new hero.
Swimming across icy rivers and riding bareback thru the wilderness is Rambo stuff.
So very brave.
So very brave.

Oh sure, the only thing you Aussies are good at is triathalons.....:p;)

wombat2u2004
08-11-2010, 09:19 PM
I fought a baby koala barehanded once, and was wounded quite badly.
Yes.....in all the annals of human suffering...nobody suffered more than I did, on that day. :p

RICHARD
08-11-2010, 09:25 PM
I fought a baby koala barehanded once, and was wounded quite badly.
Yes.....in all the annals of human suffering...nobody suffered more than I did, on that day. :p

Wait, was he in YOUR weight class?:D:eek::o

wombat2u2004
08-11-2010, 10:07 PM
Wait, was he in YOUR weight class?:D:eek::o

No....but he was a high as me....hanging onto that tree. :p

RICHARD
08-18-2010, 01:37 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014003-503544.html

You have to love the gradual disintegration of a person in front of your eyes.

Holy tootsie rolls.

As my dad would say, Did she study to be THAT stupid?


I want to award her MORON of the Week,


Yes, and you too can nominate your own faves.

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P.S. my prez came to el lay and clogged up the whole town, He made 700,000 dollars for the Dems and cost the taxpayers the ride out, security and the CF that he left on the streets, some people were stuck in traffic for hours.

I forgot to mention the cost of productivity for the people that had to put up with the traffic.;):D

Medusa
08-18-2010, 05:14 PM
Did she study to be THAT stupid?

I'm thinkin' "no". It just comes naturally to her.

wombat2u2004
08-20-2010, 07:41 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014003-503544.html

You have to love the gradual disintegration of a person in front of your eyes.

Holy tootsie rolls.

As my dad would say, Did she study to be THAT stupid?


I want to award her MORON of the Week,


Yes, and you too can nominate your own faves.

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P.S. my prez came to el lay and clogged up the whole town, He made 700,000 dollars for the Dems and cost the taxpayers the ride out, security and the CF that he left on the streets, some people were stuck in traffic for hours.

I forgot to mention the cost of productivity for the people that had to put up with the traffic.;):D

Ever thought of asking her out on a date Richard ???? :D

RICHARD
08-20-2010, 08:07 PM
Ever thought of asking her out on a date Richard ???? :D

Don't make me go down there......On second thought......


Tomorrow?

VOte and early and often?:D;)

RICHARD
08-20-2010, 08:51 PM
In the last few days 5 POLICE OFFICERS kidnapped and killed the mayor of Nuevo Leone, Mexico. Then Felipe Calderon made a speech where he blamed the United States for the narco-violence in HIS country.

TIme to really start paying attention to that border. There may be evil afoot in that area.

RICHARD
08-20-2010, 10:11 PM
Wyclef,

Run for prez of the U.S.

I will vote for you!

lizbud
08-22-2010, 10:25 AM
So Glenn Beck is organizing a T party rally to be held at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech Aug 28th. Featured speaker is Sarah Palin. I see no problems there, right???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glenn-becks-planned-rally-runs-trouble-civil-rights/story?id=11440553

wombat2u2004
08-22-2010, 10:31 AM
So Glenn Beck is organizing a T party rally to be held at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech Aug 28th. Featured speaker is Sarah Palin. I see no problems there, right???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glenn-becks-planned-rally-runs-trouble-civil-rights/story?id=11440553

I'm goin. :eek:

RICHARD
08-22-2010, 11:05 AM
So Glenn Beck is organizing a T party rally to be held at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech Aug 28th. Featured speaker is Sarah Palin. I see no problems there, right???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glenn-becks-planned-rally-runs-trouble-civil-rights/story?id=11440553

It could be worse,

Nancy Pelosi could show up or Mel Gibson's squeeze. maybe?


I like that tattooed bimbette that Jesse James was knocking boots with.
KAT VON D!!!!!

Puckstop31
08-22-2010, 02:55 PM
So Glenn Beck is organizing a T party rally to be held at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech Aug 28th. Featured speaker is Sarah Palin. I see no problems there, right???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glenn-becks-planned-rally-runs-trouble-civil-rights/story?id=11440553

Shocker... That the media is already trying to distort what the event is about. It IS 100% clear that the author has never even once listened to how Glenn feels about Dr. King and his message. And of course the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson would be all up in a knot about it. They have made lucrative careers out of race baiting.

Liz, have YOU ever listened to Glenn? Or is your opinion about him only what others write? And I am not talking links from Huffpo et all.... Actually REALLY listening to him in context, live.

Also, why do you think there will be trouble?

http://www.glennbeck.com/828/

Pay special attention to the what NOT to bring list. Also know that nearly a million dollars is being spent on security for the event. And EVERY single dollar are from private donations and none of the speakers or performers is making a dime.

Also, Marcus Luttrell is going to speak. Do a little reading on who that guy is.

Medusa
08-22-2010, 04:17 PM
So Glenn Beck is organizing a T party rally to be held at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech Aug 28th. Featured speaker is Sarah Palin. I see no problems there, right???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glenn-becks-planned-rally-runs-trouble-civil-rights/story?id=11440553

I'm not sure why you think there would be problems. My hairdresser is a Tea Party member and she tells me all that goes on there. According to her, everyone is so considerate of one another, they clean up after themselves, they wait in long lines w/o any trouble at all, etc. Most importantly (to me anyhow) is that there is peace among everyone, including any liberals that attend for whatever reason. I'm somewhat confused as to why you think there would be a problem. Care to expound a bit?

RICHARD
08-23-2010, 11:46 PM
Great, another job lost to someone from Mexco.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/prnewswire/2010/08/24/prnewswire201008240012PR_NEWS_USPR_____NY54162.htm l



Does she have a work permit? ;)


Nice try Miss Australia.:eek::confused::)

Bonny
08-24-2010, 08:14 AM
Miss Mexico has her Visa you can count on it & a sponsor. She is set to travel & see the world.

Now Miss Australia had a difficult question, about the way women dress in the world. She mentioned the swim suits they all wore in the pagenant, & went on from there about the freedom of being able to dress as you want. She had class. :)

RICHARD
08-24-2010, 09:30 AM
Shirley Sherrod?

Please settle your lawsuit against the government and don't try and become the spokesperson for every race under the sun.

Your problems are not the problems of the planet.

lizbud
08-24-2010, 01:39 PM
Shirley Sherrod?

Please settle your lawsuit against the government and don't try and become the spokesperson for every race under the sun.

Your problems are not the problems of the planet.


I guess I understand her reluctance to give up her 15minutes of fame.
Not often you catch a Dept head of Fed Agency making a public fool of
himself. But, I agree, she should just get on with her lawsuit against the
Blogger who slandered her.

lizbud
08-24-2010, 01:44 PM
IMO Rev Graham Jr should stick to tending his the Religion business
his father created. I'm sure there are many "causes" that could use his
time more creatively.

Religion is not a inherited trait.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/franklin-graham-president-obama-born-muslim-pew-poll/story?id=11446462

Grace
08-24-2010, 01:53 PM
Today is Primary Day once again. Saw an interesting graphic on Rachel Maddow last night.

Up to yesterday, of all the incumbents running in primaries (Governors, Congress and the Senate) only SEVEN incumbents had lost - 317 had won!

What does that say for throw the bums out??

smokey the elder
08-24-2010, 02:36 PM
Better the devil you know...?

Puckstop31
08-24-2010, 03:08 PM
"A Republic... If you can keep it."
Benjamin Franklin


"The punishment which the wise suffer who refuse to take part in the government, is to live under the government of worse men. "
Plato


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We get the government that we deserve.

blue
08-25-2010, 12:30 AM
Is it to early to start voting from rooftops?















Just askin.

blue
08-25-2010, 01:03 AM
I guess I understand her reluctance to give up her 15minutes of fame.
Not often you catch a Dept head of Fed Agency making a public fool of
himself. But, I agree, she should just get on with her lawsuit against the
Blogger who slandered her.

Did he slander her? I thought he just posted a video of people agreeing with her actions.

Puckstop31
08-26-2010, 11:31 PM
Well whaddya know? Another jackass who never actually listed to Glenn.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-party-compared-kkk-rev-walter-fauntroy/story?id=11489233&page=2

LOL

Really.

PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE keep bringing this kind of absolute crap. PLEASE. The more these kind of people talk, the more able the truth can be seen.

The time for race bating is over.

Before you bash Mr. Beck... LISTEN to him. Really. Not a "transcript" Actually listen to him. You know... The TRUTH about him.

I know "you' can do it... She who shall not be named. Don't trust Huffpo. LISTEN to him.

Grace
08-27-2010, 07:36 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-party-compared-kkk-rev-walter-fauntroy/story?id=11489233&page=2


FYI - that link takes you to the second page of the article. If you want to begin at the beginning, go here - http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-party-compared-kkk-rev-walter-fauntroy/story?id=11489233&page=1

lizbud
08-27-2010, 10:56 AM
Ok all you people who want to try to take this man seriously, be my guest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ebo4UhloU


Or you can witness one of his frequent mental breakdowns on air. Here he
is responding to a call-in question on his show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA7-BvVDV10&feature=channel


How anyone can take him seriously is beyond me. To each his own I guess.:rolleyes:

Puckstop31
08-27-2010, 11:56 AM
Ok all you people who want to try to take this man seriously, be my guest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ebo4UhloU


Or you can witness one of his frequent mental breakdowns on air. Here he
is responding to a call-in question on his show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA7-BvVDV10&feature=channel



So.... What you are saying is you will not even try to listen to him in context and continue to belive the cherry picked moments with ZERO context shared by huffpo/media matters/Olbermann/etc?

Shocking. "Sniper" 'Media' at its best.

Tell me Liz... What do you think tomorrow is about?


How anyone can take him seriously is beyond me. To each his own I guess.:rolleyes:

Well, you belive Olbermann, so I guess 'to each his own' indeed. (Thanks for the eye roll BTW. I thought I was the 'know it all and am always right guy?) Mr. "I get my show prep from Media Matters." And before you ask, YES, yes I do suffer through Olbermanns shows from time to time. The best part about Keith Olbermann? He actually sees himself as an objective journalist. I would have a TON more respect for him if he admitted that he is a commentator.

RICHARD
08-27-2010, 12:12 PM
Well, you belive Olbermann, so I guess 'to each his own' indeed. (Thanks for the eye roll BTW. I thought I was the 'know it all and am always right guy?) Mr. "I get my show prep from Media Matters." And before you ask, YES, yes I do suffer through Olbermanns shows from time to time. The best part about Keith Olbermann? He actually sees himself as an objective journalist. I would have a TON more respect for him if he admitted that he is a commentator.
KO was a sports reporter here in lost angeles for years.

He's no Murrow, nor does he have any more credibility that any other moron that came from a sport reporting background.

I love his "indignant" act and the superior attitude.

Look up his KTLA/Channel 5 resume Thestories about him about how he acted while employed there are legend.

----------------

Olbermann briefly dated conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham (who has won the "Worst Person in the World" Award numerous times on Countdown) in the 1990s.[6] In June 2006, Olbermann began dating Katy Tur, a reporter with WPIX-TV; the two have lived together in New York City since October of that year.[8][85]

Olbermann suffers from a mild case of celiac disease,[86] as well as restless legs syndrome.[6] In August 1980, he also suffered a head injury while "leaping" onto the NYC subway.[87] This head injury permanently upset his equilibrium, resulting in his avoidance of driving.[6] Along with Bob Costas, he supports the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation as an honorary board member.[88]

During a period in the mid-1990s, Olbermann appeared in a series of Boston Market advertisements, in which he would instruct a group of underweight models to "Eat something!"[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann

Gosh, I hate to lump him in with people with head injuries.....

Grace
08-27-2010, 12:29 PM
You know, on a couple of occasions I have turned on Glenn Beck's mid-day radio show. I had to stop doing it.

He made no sense to me - within a few minutes my head would be spinning as he bounced from one nutty idea (at least that's how they seemed to me) to another. I don't understand where he is coming from, or where he is going.

I don't listen to, or watch, Keith Olbermann either. I'm more comfortable with hosts who don't scream and shout; hosts who don't repeatedly interrupt a guest.

Must be my age ;)

Grace
08-27-2010, 02:11 PM
This is interesting - about Beck's rally being held on the Mall. Some have objected to the location, more than the rally itself - and it seems one of the other Fox hosts agrees with that - from Yahoo news.



His Washington rally has attracted attention and criticism because it is taking place on the anniversary of King's speech and in the same spot. Beck has said it will be the moment when "we reclaim the civil rights movement."

His own Fox News colleague, Greta Van Susteren, said he should move his event. She said he should do it for sensitivity reasons, much as both she and Beck argue that an Islamic Center should not be built near the site of the World Trade Center, where terrorists struck in 2001.

"It does not help the country on so many fronts if we poke a stick in eyes," Van Susteren wrote on her blog.

Puckstop31
08-27-2010, 02:21 PM
You know, on a couple of occasions I have turned on Glenn Beck's mid-day radio show. I had to stop doing it.

He made no sense to me - within a few minutes my head would be spinning as he bounced from one nutty idea (at least that's how they seemed to me) to another. I don't understand where he is coming from, or where he is going.

I don't listen to, or watch, Keith Olbermann either. I'm more comfortable with hosts who don't scream and shout; hosts who don't repeatedly interrupt a guest.

Must be my age ;)

He has RAGING ADD. LOL He admits as much. Maybe that is why I find it 'easy' to follow him.

The more you listen, the more you understand him.

But, I totally understand the sentiment of him being hard to follow sometimes. It has nothing to do with age. :)

Puckstop31
08-27-2010, 02:24 PM
This is interesting - about Beck's rally being held on the Mall. Some have objected to the location, more than the rally itself - and it seems one of the other Fox hosts agrees with that - from Yahoo news.

That's the thing... If people would only report the real reasons he is doing this where he is...

Just as white's do not 'own' Abraham Lincoln, blacks do not 'own' Dr. King. The idea of "take back the civil rights movement" is about putting it back on Dr. King's desired course. You know, rather than the tragedy that Sharpton, Jackson and the NAACP have taken it to.

Then again... Tomorrow is not about, at its core, even that.

Puckstop31
08-27-2010, 02:30 PM
I'd like to apologize for the use of another word for a Donkey in a previous post.

But, from this moment on I will no longer edit previous submissions hours or days after posting them. That 'revisionist history' feature here is, well, dishonest I think.

wombat2u2004
08-27-2010, 07:51 PM
I knew these two would finally get together.

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae186/wombat2u2004/image0011.jpg

RICHARD
08-28-2010, 09:25 AM
OM FN G.

I just saw a clip of the senator that authored the Health Care bill.


He doesn't want to waste time reading it, It's written in "legalese" and he's hired people to read it and explain it.

What a fricking moron, I don't know what is more insulting, him not knowing what is in it or the money spent to hire people to read it.

lizbud
08-28-2010, 06:35 PM
Glenn Beck, henceforth known as, Glenn" I Have A Scheme" Beck will
have satisfied his need for attention for awhile. Can't wait to see what he
comes up with next.LOL :D :D

lizbud
08-28-2010, 06:36 PM
I knew these two would finally get together.

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae186/wombat2u2004/image0011.jpg



Wooo, love the shoes. Both pair.:)

Puckstop31
08-28-2010, 06:46 PM
Glenn Beck, henceforth known as, Glenn" I Have A Scheme" Beck will
have satisfied his need for attention for awhile. Can't wait to see what he
comes up with next.LOL :D :D



I really feel sorry for you Liz. It has to be tough to be such a cynic all the time.

But also, thank you. Thank you for showing us, again, that you have no real intrest in knowing what today was all about. But why bother actually watching or listening, eh? Keith and MSNBC 'tells' you all you need to 'know', right?

Fight the tide all you want... But America is awake. Thank God for Barack Obama.

blue
08-28-2010, 07:00 PM
wooo, love the shoes. Both pair.:)


oh shoes!!!!

:d

Grace
08-28-2010, 07:12 PM
But why bother actually watching or listening, eh?


Was it even on any station? I went looking a couple of times, for either of the events, and could find nothing other than a few, short clips. Worthless for getting any sort of feel for either of them.

Oh well, I got lots of stuff done around here instead of being parked in front of the TV having my head spun in circles by Beck or Sharpton :D

lizbud
08-28-2010, 07:29 PM
Was it even on any station? I went looking a couple of times, for either of the events, and could find nothing other than a few, short clips. Worthless for getting any sort of feel for either of them.

Oh well, I got lots of stuff done around here instead of being parked in front of the TV having my head spun in circles by Beck or Sharpton :D


Don't think it was on TV, was it? Didn't see it, didn't look for it. Why bother
when I can just imagine the guy and get a headache.:D He's a trainwreck.;)

blue
08-28-2010, 07:43 PM
Since Im always willing to learn new stuff....

What are good left leaning talk radio shows, what are good left leaning TV shows, I can already find the left leaning press on my own so hit me with what yall listen/watch.

Grace
08-28-2010, 07:53 PM
Since Im always willing to learn new stuff....

What are good left leaning talk radio shows, what are good left leaning TV shows, I can already find the left leaning press on my own so hit me with what yall listen/watch.

I rarely listen to anything on the radio except classical music and the Tigers games. TV - I watch Rachel Maddow, but not every night. There are priorities in my life - like baseball and hockey.

I like Rachel because she doesn't scream, screech, interrupt, or talk over her guests. She has a preponderance of like minded guests, but is not afraid to have the opposite viewpoint represented. And she is always polite to her guests.

I don't always agree with her, but I enjoy her shows. She's been to Iraq twice during the summer, walking around in the heat with Richard Engle. This week she's in New Orleans.

Puckstop31
08-29-2010, 09:03 AM
It was broadcast live on C-Span.

The only people who can "spin your head in circles" are the people who you ALLOW to do so. Allowing a person to give you a headache by simply 'imagining' him... LOL How absurd to let any person do such a thing to you, especially when you have no REAL idea who they even are and clearly have no desire to understand them.

Ya know? For people who claim to be so open-minded and accepting of ALL people.... You do not make much of an effort to understand the people with whom your idols tell you to disagree with. But then again, that takes effort... So much easier to call people names.

Carry on! We don't really need you to make sure our posterity has a future worth looking forward to. Because the light always pushes the darkness aside.

Grace
08-29-2010, 09:49 AM
It was broadcast live on C-Span.

The only people who can "spin your head in circles" are the people who you ALLOW to do so. Allowing a person to give you a headache by simply 'imagining' him... LOL How absurd to let any person do such a thing to you, especially when you have no REAL idea who they even are and clearly have no desire to understand them.

Ya know? For people who claim to be so open-minded and accepting of ALL people.... You do not make much of an effort to understand the people with whom your idols tell you to disagree with. But then again, that takes effort... So much easier to call people names.

Carry on! We don't really need you to make sure our posterity has a future worth looking forward to. Because the light always pushes the darkness aside.

Are you speaking to me, Puck?

Remember when I said this - post #2473 -

You know, on a couple of occasions I have turned on Glenn Beck's mid-day radio show. I had to stop doing it.

He made no sense to me - within a few minutes my head would be spinning as he bounced from one nutty idea (at least that's how they seemed to me) to another. I don't understand where he is coming from, or where he is going.

I don't listen to, or watch, Keith Olbermann either. I'm more comfortable with hosts who don't scream and shout; hosts who don't repeatedly interrupt a guest.

Then you responded with this, post #2475 -




Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace View Post
You know, on a couple of occasions I have turned on Glenn Beck's mid-day radio show. I had to stop doing it.

He made no sense to me - within a few minutes my head would be spinning as he bounced from one nutty idea (at least that's how they seemed to me) to another. I don't understand where he is coming from, or where he is going.

I don't listen to, or watch, Keith Olbermann either. I'm more comfortable with hosts who don't scream and shout; hosts who don't repeatedly interrupt a guest.

Must be my age

He has RAGING ADD. LOL He admits as much. Maybe that is why I find it 'easy' to follow him.

The more you listen, the more you understand him.

But, I totally understand the sentiment of him being hard to follow sometimes. It has nothing to do with age.

Boy, I sure did misunderstand you. First you claim to understand where I am coming from - now you insult me.

Savannahrose
08-29-2010, 09:50 AM
. All this talk of Obama makes me SICK!!! I am NOT his biggest fan. He is just horrible! Religion? Of course. I am a christian baptist. No offence to Richard here, but I would just find a new church instead of sittin around DRINKING and watching tv. No offence, just what I believe. I don't believe in drinking, and if you want to drink, it's fine, i will still be your friend, it does not matter.:) Some people believe in drinking and some dont. Obama is just messing America up... totally!!!

Puckstop31
08-29-2010, 04:36 PM
Are you speaking to me, Puck?

Only in the first paragraph and then not just you. :)


Remember when I said this - post #2473 -


Then you responded with this, post #2475 -



Boy, I sure did misunderstand you. First you claim to understand where I am coming from - now you insult me.

I misunderstood what you meant by the term "spinning heads in a circle" when you used it the second time. I took it to mean that you found the message disagreeable, rather than difficult to follow due to his delivery style.

If you were insulted by what I said, I apologize. The post was written more for 'someone else'. :)

RICHARD
08-29-2010, 05:28 PM
I loved the hemming and hawing of Al and Jesse.

If they were so interested in equality and justice?

EVERY YEAR they would get a permit for the steps and have some kind of rally.


Eff the both of them, they are nothing but opportunists and fame 'hors'.

Please,
They do not speak for me as a man, 'minority' or whoever else they want to align themselves with.

They push the 'minority' agenda-it's convenient to call us that because it shed a light on us that makes us seem like we are still second class citizens.

This home squeeze don't play that game....I don't think that I am any less than the next guy or gal.

-------------

I also saw my president say that Katrina was a man made disaster.

Well, we'll see in five years what a PRESIDENTIAL MADE disaster the health care initiative is. I really can hardly wait for BO to take his place in the annals of history as the ------------ president ever.

I laugh every time I see BO does the head tilt/head shake/chin out movements everytime he thinks he is being noble and 'kingly'.

The emperor has no clothes on...

Just thought I'd toss that in.


Man made disaster...that's right, It's ALLL GWB's fault. Five years later...we will never move on as long as the buffons writing his speeches think that way.

Why, hell, I want to blame George Washington for everything.

RICHARD
08-31-2010, 11:18 AM
I was watching REDEYE on the FNC /aug31st show/ and the opened with the Glen Beck rally story.

They quoted 6-7 news sources, one of them was the El Lay times, and each of them, in on form or another noted that the crowd was predominately/mostly/largely white.

So WTF did that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Sometimes I think that instead of race relations getting better? We just slide back down the ladder.

--------------

Yesterday, Matt Taibbi got his arse handed to him by a woman on while they spoke about the same topic on a news program, I want to say that it was Anderson Cooper's program? It was CNN.

Taibbi is a really fun to watch, he's one of the 'new hip' electrojournalists that came from Rolling Stone magazine. He writes these opinion pieces that read more like slanted BS than real opinion tomes.

MT made a comment about there being only white people in attendance and the gal asked him how he knew that was a fact....

He saw it on TV.

That is the kind of spin that the "mainstream" media puts on shiat like the GB rally.

Puckstop31
08-31-2010, 12:15 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703369704575461633570826898.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion

This piece is critical of Mr. Beck. But see what is said about the people.

RICHARD
08-31-2010, 02:47 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703369704575461633570826898.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion

This piece is critical of Mr. Beck. But see what is said about the people.

The 'behavior' of the crowd will get little or no coverage because it IRKS THE LIVIN POOP out of people that wanted to see GB fail.

Now, I try to watch a little of 'them' all -'them' being all the talking heads on MSNBC, CNN, FNC, HLN and I truly find them to all be major league BWs.
Beck, sometimes irks me by his antics but, I really want to see Madcow, Olberman, Ratigan, any one of them to try and pull off an event like that.

Where were the reports of looting, assault, vandalism or ?????? that we associate with political rallies in the past?

What the hell is going on?
This 'kinder, gentler' form of gathering people is worrisome to me.

THere has to be some kind of evil that slow bubbles underneath the calm exteriors of you white people in that crowd.;)

I can bet that if they had allowed some Mexicans in there, there would have been problems. We would have set up stalls to try and sell water, popsicles or tacos....The nerve.

I liked the idea of getting people together and trying to find some kind of togetherness for the country.

Some of us cannot handle that because it means we'll have to behave ourselves and there will not be the tension we have come to know and complain about.


I love crowds, I have been to sporting events and concerts with 100,000 people around me and thought about how the promoters got so many people to 'behave' for a few hours.

Get on the freeway and check out a good traffic jam. Everyone, well mostly everyone, gets along and follows the rules for however how long it takes to clear up.

A few rules and a giant crowd?

I'll give that blubbering crybaby the respect he deserves. He pulled it off without a hitch.

I would love to see that AH losers that would show up to a Keith Olbermann rally....Come on Rachel!

She has women, dems, gays and a HUGE number of fans she could rally, but then the Right to Lifers will show up, PETA, Code Pink and maybe some anarchists, for flavor?

THe scariest thought to the people that talked about GB in unflattering terms is the fact that he did what he did and there was nothing to complain about afterwards.


Well, maybe the fact that 'whitey' took over and didn't let us 'minorities' come play on the lawn....:D;)

That's o.k.

I saw some pictures with some black and brown faces mixed into the crowd..

Even Glenn Beck couldn't keep us out.:p;):)

Grace
08-31-2010, 05:41 PM
19 American troops killed in Afghanistan since Saturday.


source (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100831/D9HUEJ000.html)

Grace
08-31-2010, 06:01 PM
Bob Herbert's latest piece from the NY Times -

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/opinion/31herbert.html


One of the reasons we’re in this state of nonstop warfare is the fact that so few Americans have had any personal stake in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no draft and no direct financial hardship resulting from the wars. So we keep shipping other people’s children off to combat as if they were some sort of commodity, like coal or wheat, with no real regard for the terrible price so many have to pay, physically and psychologically.

Not only is this tragic, it is profoundly disrespectful. These are real men and women, courageous and mostly uncomplaining human beings, that we are sending into the war zones, and we owe them our most careful attention. Above all, we owe them an end to two wars that have gone on much too long.

RICHARD
08-31-2010, 06:28 PM
So we keep shipping other people’s children off to combat as if they were some sort of commodity, like coal or wheat, with no real regard for the terrible price so many have to pay, physically and psychologically.



Bob Herbert does not realize that they are the children of the United States, I dare go against his idea and say that they are my children, my brothers and sisters, my blood.

What a divine A.H.


Johnny's playroom
Is a bunker filled with sand
He's become a third world man
Smoky sunday
He's been mobilized since dawn
Now he's crouching on the lawn
He's a third world man

Lady's Human
08-31-2010, 06:46 PM
Ah, yes, the bunch of rich old men sitting in boardrooms and eating steak while sending others off to war argument...........

It was weak 40 years ago, it's even weaker now.

Start drafting people? All it will do is give the military recruits that frankly, they don't want. When the recruiters have problems meeting goals and they start relaxing standards, then maybe trot out that old canard.

Why are we in a state of endless war?

Because there is no single country we can go pound into the stone age and bring the troops home. We're good at that, we can do it with relative ease and speed.

We have to make certain groups realize that it's insane to fight the US on any terms........and ROE and a kinder, gentler military aren't going to cut it.

Take the gloves off, let the troops fight, let the generals on the ground make the decisions, not the politicians in Washington.

Once you make the decision to send in the troops, the troops need to be left to do what needs to be done........and the reporters and the fact finders need to find another place other than a war zone to find their facts from. There's nothing more irritating than trying to run an operation and having politicians and reporters cheeking up on the troops. It was irritating as all hell in a training environment, I don't even want to THINK about what I'd have done with a certain news crew in combat.

RICHARD
08-31-2010, 06:51 PM
Andrew J. Castro, 20
Army, Specialist
Based: Ft. Campbell, Ky.
2nd Brigade Special Troops Battalion, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
Supporting: Operation Enduring Freedom
Died: August 28, 2010
Babur, Afghanistan
Gender: Male
Hometown: Westlake Village
High School: Westlake High (Westlake Village)


Someone else's son.:(

Almost my neighbor.

Grace
08-31-2010, 07:07 PM
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Bob Herbert does not realize that they are the children of the United States, I dare go against his idea and say that they are my children, my brothers and sisters, my blood.


Of course he realizes they are the children of the United States. Where did you get such a ridiculous idea?




19 American troops have been killed in Afghanistan since Saturday. No comments on that fact?

Grace
08-31-2010, 07:11 PM
Start drafting people? All it will do is give the military recruits that frankly, they don't want. When the recruiters have problems meeting goals and they start relaxing standards, then maybe trot out that old canard.



This has already been happening - for a couple of years.

From 2008 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042103295.html).

Google and you'll find many more articles.

Lady's Human
08-31-2010, 07:15 PM
THe number of American troops killed, is quite frankly, pointless, as all it is is a reversal of the bodycount PR idiocy from Vietnam.

You engage in combat and press the enemy, you're going to have losses.

You tie the hands of the leaders in Theater, you're going to make those losses worse.

If you want the troops to win, then give them a way to win and stop getting in the damned way.

End the Bring all the troops home nonsense, all that accomplishes is a replay of Saigon.

End the false timetables, and equally as important end the fiction that we're not going to deal with people we officially don't like to end the mess.

We made deals with Stalin to win WW2............

Lady's Human
08-31-2010, 07:16 PM
Grace, your definition of relaxing the standards and mine are two different animals.

Relaxing the standards enacted to achieve social engineering within the military doesn't bother me.