RE: Rockee thread

[Catlady711]

Per request I have put this in a separate thread to keep the uproar to a minimum and placed it in the Dog House in case of further conflicts.

As I recall the thread had been going along fairly well until a couple comments were made saying the OP was attention getting. I did NOT make those comments or anything like it.

My first post was in regards to the OP jumping on k9krazy and condemning an entire profession by saying vets weren't concerned about animals welfare only the money. In that post I was being a bit sarcastic based on the tone in which the profession had been condemned.

My second post was not intended to slight chocolatepuppy (since I quoted her) nor was it intended to insinuate that the OP didn't care or love her dog. If that is the impression that was taken then I sincerely appologize to all who were upset, it was not my intention to do either.

If I may explain.

There are alot of people, including on this board, that have cared for their animals well and yet the animals die at a very young age, though no fault of their own. But when comments like Age = Well Cared for keep perpetuating it tends to make the people who lose animals young feel guilty as if somehow they are at fault for losing their animal which is not always true. I had recently been reading about similar situations where people were very hard on themselves for losing an animal young despite good care. I appologize for not making that part more clear to begin with or for not just keeping my yap (typing) to myself.

I also appologize to the OP (and to anyone else upset by it) for posting that unclear comment within Rockee's thread, that was an error in my judgment to put it there and I'm sorry.

I am simply not accustomed to starting a new thread based on a comment from another one, I apparently will have to learn to do that in the future. I have seen other threads morph into something other than where they started and it was not a problem. At the time I did not realize where this particular thread would morph to.

I do resent being called a troll however. Lack of judgement in this case I agree with, and have appologized for, but I am NOT a troll. I know many people read PT, inclulding ones that are not members or don't posts comments. Many times if I interject something into a thread it's aimed at helping to clarify things for them reading it as well, not always in direct relationship to the actual people commenting.


Per Wikipedia:

An Internet troll, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities.

The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.

My intentions were not to slam the OP's care/love of her dog, nor was it intended to insult the person I quoted from. My understanding is that a troll goes out of the way to cause conflict which was NOT my intention, regardless that it obviously happened anyways.

I can only think of 1 other post that I have made recently that would be considered off topic or in your words 'troll-like'. That post, as all my posts are, is usually based on the tone I get from the poster I'm responding to.

People are not always going to agree on everything, and I have yet to see any group of people, in person or online that do not have conflicts or disagreements. People are all different and have different thoughts on every topic under the sun and different ways of viewing things.

The OP is free at any time to delete my, or anyone else's posts to their thread if they feel it is getting off topic or upsetting in any way to avoid potential conflicts of interest.

Anyways so that's my appologies, my explanations, and my complaints.

As Rhett Butler would say "again I appologize for all my shortcomings".

[kt_luvs_kitties]

I always think your advice is great... And I believe some people just take things the wrong way(not their fault either)... Since we are over the internet, we really dont know how someone is saying things, sometimes it is just taken wrong.

Either way, I dont think you are a troll in any way, and My Penny girl says to Tell Pooky hi and she misses him! ;)

[Catlady711]

I always think your advice is great... And I believe some people just take things the wrong way(not their fault either)... Since we are over the internet, we really dont know how someone is saying things, sometimes it is just taken wrong.

Either way, I dont think you are a troll in any way, and My Penny girl says to Tell Pooky hi and she misses him! ;)


Thank you. I know things often get taken the wrong way online because of not having a tone of voice or facial expressions to go with the text, I am guilty of that myself sometimes.

Awwww, Pooky blushes and says to tell Penny hi as well.

[bckrazy]

I didn't call you a troll. I called your post trolly.

Whether it was intended or not, the goal of it seemed to be to offend, or start an argument. That just isn't cool, especially when the thread is regarding an ill, elderly dog, whose owner (whom I happen to consider a friend) is simply seeking some comfort.

"But when comments like Age = Well Cared for keep perpetuating it tends to make the people who lose animals young feel guilty as if somehow they are at fault for losing their animal which is not always true."

I can't even follow this logic. :confused: Saying that a dog who reaches 14 years has lived a long, full life... is going to make people who lost their dogs at a young age feel guilty? Ummm, ok.

[Glacier]

Catlady711---Use your ignore button! It's a wonderful little feature and makes visiting here much more pleasant!

[jennielynn1970]

I'm sure my initial post didn't help matters. It was a bit harsh towards Alicia, and I had promised to bite my tongue when it came to her posts, I just got tired of her snippy attitude toward everyone who didn't agree with her.

I found it amusing that her mother is the one who has been PMing me and threatening me to keep my mouth shut, while calling me a myriad of nasty names, and all that, and Alicia hasn't said a word for herself.

It just always seems to come down to the fact that if you don't agree with her posts, she flips out and slams you. I just get tired of seeing her do it to everyone who doesn't see it her way. Other than that, I have no comment as to how she takes care of her pets, because I'm not there and I don't see it, and having read for a long time now what an animal lover she is, I doubt she'd let them suffer for any reason, and would more than likely get them treatment rather than put them to sleep if it wasn't deemed necessary. I'd hope I've read her right in that department.

[jennielynn1970]

I didn't call you a troll. I called your post trolly.

That just isn't cool, especially when the thread is regarding an ill, elderly dog, whose owner (whom I happen to consider a friend) is simply seeking some comfort.

"But when comments like Age = Well Cared for keep perpetuating it tends to make the people who lose animals young feel guilty as if somehow they are at fault for losing their animal which is not always true."

I can't even follow this logic. :confused: Saying that a dog who reaches 14 years has lived a long, full life... is going to make people who lost their dogs at a young age feel guilty? Ummm, ok.

Her posts have always been the farthest from "trolly". She as always been here to give information and has always been neutral about it. And your rationalization about your wording is like saying "I didn't call you a b*tch, I called you b*tchy." Wow... big difference. :rolleyes:

Whether Alicia is your friend or not, doesn't mean you have to agree with everything she says, or the way/tone in which she says it. You can have a friend and not agree with them... I normally don't have an issue with Alicia except for her tone and the way she phrases things on here. She could be nicer about it if she wanted to (Same here... and normally I'm civil, but I have little tolerance for Alicia's, and now, her mother's, snippy comments for anyone who doesn't agree with them).

I didn't find her comment hard to follow... but I believe this is what she meant by her post: (Follow along please, I divided it into two parts:)
There are a lot of people, including on this board, that have cared for their animals well and yet the animals die at a very young age, though no fault of their own. = Many people have lost animals at a very young age, even though they were well cared for. The pets dying early was not the owner's fault.

But when comments like Age = Well Cared for keep perpetuating it tends to make the people who lose animals young feel guilty as if somehow they are at fault for losing their animal which is not always true.
Just because someone's animal has reached old age, does not mean that it has been well cared for vs. someone's animal who died at a young age means that it was not well cared for. Age at time of death does not show a connection to how well cared for they were.

[chocolatepuppy]

Oh wow, now I'm in the Dog House. :rolleyes: Like I said...

IMO you were way out of line posting information about people not always caring for their dogs just because they lived to be old, in Rockee's thread. If I had a old, sick dog and you posted that in my thread, I'd be very upset.

[bckrazy]

Her posts have always been the farthest from "trolly". She as always been here to give information and has always been neutral about it. And your rationalization about your wording is like saying "I didn't call you a b*tch, I called you b*tchy." Wow... big difference. :rolleyes:

Whether Alicia is your friend or not, doesn't mean you have to agree with everything she says, or the way/tone in which she says it. You can have a friend and not agree with them... I normally don't have an issue with Alicia except for her tone and the way she phrases things on here. She could be nicer about it if she wanted to (Same here... and normally I'm civil, but I have little tolerance for Alicia's, and now, her mother's, snippy comments for anyone who doesn't agree with them).

I didn't find her comment hard to follow... but I believe this is what she meant by her post: (Follow along please, I divided it into two parts:)
There are a lot of people, including on this board, that have cared for their animals well and yet the animals die at a very young age, though no fault of their own. = Many people have lost animals at a very young age, even though they were well cared for. The pets dying early was not the owner's fault.

But when comments like Age = Well Cared for keep perpetuating it tends to make the people who lose animals young feel guilty as if somehow they are at fault for losing their animal which is not always true.
Just because someone's animal has reached old age, does not mean that it has been well cared for vs. someone's animal who died at a young age means that it was not well cared for. Age at time of death does not show a connection to how well cared for they were.

There is a difference between calling some one a troll, and calling a specific post trolly. If I called her a troll, it would imply that all of her posts are trolly.

I included that I consider Alicia a friend because I've talked to her several times, I've known her for years, and I know she's a good person... and I feel it necessary to defend her from rude remarks, especially regarding such a sensitive subject.

As far as holier-than-thou attitudes... talk about the pot(s) calling the kettle black! Sheesh. Thank you for the recap, but I'm not stupid, I realize what she's trying to say. By following her logic I mean, it is not logical, to me. I feel the comments made were uncalled for and hurtful in the given context, regardless of excuses. And I find it hard to believe that Catlady711 did not expect Alicia to take offense, when she posted those comments.

This thread is dead to me. Good day.

[Ginger's Mom]

I am not sure if this thread is intended to be a discussion of whether dogs who live until they are in their mid-teens are well cared for, or whether it is a discussion on whether Suzie called Sally (names purposely changed) a troll. In either case, it is a rather silly discussion. I don't think a dog can/will live that long without human care/assistance. If you want to get into a debate as to what appropriate care of a dog is, there are probably as many answers to that as there are dog owners. The fact that a dog does live to that age does not have anything to do with another dog/cat many states away dying at a young age. I am surprised that anyone on this board would think that it does. I am particularly surprised to see that someone who works at a veterinarian's office would chose to make a correlation between the two.

[jennielynn1970]

As far as holier-than-thou attitudes... talk about the pot(s) calling the kettle black! Sheesh. Thank you for the recap, but I'm not stupid, I realize what she's trying to say. By following her logic I mean, it is not logical, to me. I feel the comments made were uncalled for and hurtful in the given context, regardless of excuses. And I find it hard to believe that Catlady711 did not expect Alicia to take offense, when she posted those comments.

This thread is dead to me. Good day.

I don't think I've acted holier than thou... and I never said you were stupid. What you said was you didn't understand what she meant, so I tried to clarify it for you from the the way saw it to mean.

I have friends that I have known for years as well, but if I don't agree with something they say, then I will not back them up. I am not a sheep who has to go along with the mainstream to make the rest happy.

As for pots and kettles, I think you joined us a while ago. Can I choose whether I want to be a pot or a kettle?? I'd rather be a kettle cause then I can blow off steam... :p ;)

[Sparklecoon]

I'm not going to get in on the he said she said but I've seen dogs in my short 23yrs that have unfortunately lived in horrid conditions for a long time. A neighbor dog, for example, is 10 going on 11 and has been chained to a dog house for at least 9 of those years. Vetting is nonexistent and food is garbage (old roy).

[caseysmom]

I'm sure my initial post didn't help matters. It was a bit harsh towards Alicia, and I had promised to bite my tongue when it came to her posts, I just got tired of her snippy attitude toward everyone who didn't agree with her.

I found it amusing that her mother is the one who has been PMing me and threatening me to keep my mouth shut, while calling me a myriad of nasty names, and all that, and Alicia hasn't said a word for herself.

It just always seems to come down to the fact that if you don't agree with her posts, she flips out and slams you. I just get tired of seeing her do it to everyone who doesn't see it her way. Other than that, I have no comment as to how she takes care of her pets, because I'm not there and I don't see it, and having read for a long time now what an animal lover she is, I doubt she'd let them suffer for any reason, and would more than likely get them treatment rather than put them to sleep if it wasn't deemed necessary. I'd hope I've read her right in that department.


That is a mothers instinct I would do the same, can't imagine a mother that wouldn't be angry at an adult treating her kid this way. If you think her behavior is so bad show her a good example, don't act the same way.

[Kfamr]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! :mad:

The girl's dog is not well and you're causing unecessary drama. GET OVER YOURSELVES.

[lorn]

Originally Posted by jenn_librarian
I'm sure my initial post didn't help matters. It was a bit harsh towards Alicia, and I had promised to bite my tongue when it came to her posts, I just got tired of her snippy attitude toward everyone who didn't agree with her.

I found it amusing that her mother is the one who has been PMing me and threatening me to keep my mouth shut, while calling me a myriad of nasty names, and all that, and Alicia hasn't said a word for herself.

It just always seems to come down to the fact that if you don't agree with her posts, she flips out and slams you. I just get tired of seeing her do it to everyone who doesn't see it her way. Other than that, I have no comment as to how she takes care of her pets, because I'm not there and I don't see it, and having read for a long time now what an animal lover she is, I doubt she'd let them suffer for any reason, and would more than likely get them treatment rather than put them to sleep if it wasn't deemed necessary. I'd hope I've read her right in that department.


Can I just Add, in no way was I threating u, yes I did in anger tell you to shut your mouth, after I recieved Pm's from you telling me how uneducated me and my duaghter are and how my spelling etc prove it... Would u like for me to copy and paste the IM???????????

[caseysmom]

I saw the jabs regarding education in the other thread so I am not very surprised, that is very mean spirited and does not belong on pettalk imho.

[jackie]

OK, catlady made this thread to clarify that her post was not intended to offend anyone. It is nice of her to do that. I can't see why people are still bickering. Talking about "tones", whether or not it sounds "trolly", and talking about pots and kettles is just bordering on ridiculous.


Since we are over the internet, we really dont know how someone is saying things, sometimes it is just taken wrong. EXACTLY!

Things that are said in PM's should stay in PM's and not be posted in the forum. That would kind of defeat the purpose of PM's.

Take a step away from the computer and go hug your pets. There are bigger things to worry about.

[Husky_mom]

I saw this... then went to check the other thread.. and I must say...

without taking any sides or anything

I totally understand what Catlady meant in her post... perhaps it might have sounded rude to some as the thread was of a sick aging dog... even if it was not towards her or her situation....

just like pets there are people who live in the worst conditions (not saying any of here are) and get to live up to 100 years... and people like us (supposedly more healthy and with more possibilities to stay that way) might get to 60,70, 80´s or even in mid 20´s.........

there are lotsa things involved on how long a person/pet lives and that is no meaning how good they were taken care of.....

the apology, IMO, wasn´t necesary but as I am not the owner of the aging dog I don´t know how they took it, as they might be feeling down and defensive about her...totally understandable too....
so it was a good thing Catlady apologized, even if Catty1 re-explained everything, so no words are being left twisted or misunderstanded...

internet is a tough way to catch a feeling, a thought, an expression...even more when you are upset...

[buttercup132]

I found it amusing that her mother is the one who has been PMing me and threatening me to keep my mouth shut, while calling me a myriad of nasty names, and all that, and Alicia hasn't said a word for herself. I was away all weekend at a compition that's why I didn't reply. My mom yes she can do alot of the name calling but I know she wasn't the only one so don't try and make yourself look inocent.


And your rationalization about your wording is like saying "I didn't call you a ***** I called you *****y." Wow... big difference. There is a BIG difference I think most people wouldn't take so much offense if they were to say your in a *****y mood today rather then your being a ***** today. Maybe that's just me and the people I know..


This thread is dead to me. Good day Ditto, along with the rude people replying in it. I just wanted to have some say in these threads about me first.

[Karen]

No one - I repeat no one - should resort to name calling on Pet Talk. Swearing is not allowed. Asterisking out one letter of a swear is not allowed. Just don't use that word.

Never post angry. Walk away, then come back and reread the post - keep in kind that things can be written one way and read another, and misunderstandings result. Never post when angry. Never swear on Pet Talk.