Remember my upstairs druggie neighbor? Well he just died...

[luckies4me]

I have posted before about the drug problem we've been dealing with for the past two years. Well, now we don't have to deal with it anymore.

It was only a matter of time. I'm pretty sure it was an overdose, but the cops didn't tell me straight up. They also talked about Menengitis, and murder. I think it's murder. I talked to the cops for a good half hour about why I think so. So I talk to them again tomorrow. He was addicted to every drug imaginable and the drug traffic was horrible. People in and out of the house at all hours of the night.

I got to watch them photograph his body. I was the only one here who new anything. A girl called 911 but didn't give her name and won't talk to the police. An old neighbor that used to live here about a year ago with the guy that died was here this weekend for "business" is what he said. So we'll see what happens. The medical examiner just showed up. Basically we're just waiting for the coroner to take his body away. Weird...there's a dead guy upstairs from me. Kinda creepy. They tried giving him CPR for a good ten minutes but nothing happened. =/ He was already dead when the girl called 911. Crazy.

His parents were here about three months ago. They seemed so nice. I feel so bad for them. They don't even know. :(

[jennielynn1970]

Weren't you scared living there with your kids? I would have freaked out having an addict or dealer living above me. Glad things are safer for you now!

[Catty1]

Prayers for that man's parents and family. They might have done all they could for him, and it wasn't enough.

At the same time, I am glad you and your boys are safe...and I hope that any new tenant will be quiet and good.

{{{{hugs}}}}

[Laura's Babies]

When they are into the bad drugs, there is nothing anybody can do. May he find peace and happiness now.

[luckies4me]

No, not really scared. They were very quiet and too into their drugs. The guy was very nice, very smart...but anyway, he's not dead!!! There's a twist!!!

My early thoughts of this being murder and leaning more towards me being right! I just went upstairs to identify a body of whom I believed to be Brad, the neighbor upstairs, however, to my surprise it was NOT Brad, but a different guy, one whom I've never seen before. Which would explain why my boyfriend saw Brad this morning.

Anyway, I just saw a man and I'm a little freaked out at the moment so if my typing doesn't make since forgive me. Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's a murder.



***I am now part of an investigation. Actually, I'm pretty much key to the investigation. I will update more later. I'm still a little shakey right now.

[Catty1]

{{{hugs}}} Can you and the boys go stay with someone for a short while? Can the cops help with that?

If Brad wasn't the guilty party...one might hope this would smarten him into getting help.

PLEASE look after your safety first! Call the police to escort you, if you three go elsewhere!

[Karen]

Yes, do see if you can go somewhere else for a few days, or at least until they find Brad.

[luckies4me]

Well I'm pretty sure Brad is on his way to Arkansas! After all, the old neighbor said he was here for "business" (even used hand signals!) and was to leave Saturday...now Brad's missing? Ya, people don't drive 37 hours to score drugs for business. They drive 37 hours for a planned murder and skip town and go to another state! It wasn't Brad. I was inches away from him. He looked like he had been dead for more than a few hours. I'm helping the police right now in this investigation. I have to call the medical examiner tomorrow (he gave me his home number!) and report back to him and another officer.

I spoke to Clancy on the phone (the old neighbor) and he was already on his way back to Arkansas. I called his number earlier and his phone said it was not reachable at this time? I called back when the medical examiner was here, with the phone on speaker, expecting it to go to that message again, but boy was I surprised when Clancy answered! Needless to say I was shocked. He told me they had a fist fight last night upstairs and that he had to leave early (reason he didn't say goodbye) because things upstairs were ten times worse than they were before. I talked for about a minute and then said I had to go because I got another call.

The police want me to call his girlfriend tomorrow and then casually just ask if she knows where Brad is. So either Brad helped with what happened tonight and took off, or he's ran away because he's scared and didn't want to be involved when they took his dead friend away, or he himself is dead.

I have a friend over with me right now, and my bf will be coming back over tonight, so I am not alone. Right now Kai is sleeping. BF just got here. So I feel ok right now. I will call 911 if anything happens, and will be keeping an ear out if I hear anything upstairs or see anyone at the house etc.

[jackie]

Can you get in trouble for posting this on the Internet if they have an ongoing investigation?

[Freedom]

In time, when you are calm (!), speak with the landlord about getting better quality tenants in. You have little ones to think about! In many places, landlords can be liable for tenants who deal drugs, so they are usually pretty good about getting those people out.

Prayers for all of you from RI.

[Laura's Babies]

It is just so sad how many lives those drugs ruin and seldome does it have a happy outcome. I can not understand how anyone with a working brain could get mixed up in that stuff, can't they see what it has done to other people and how they end up?

Hope they find out soon what happened so your life can settle down!

[moosmom]

Jackie,

That was my thought exactly. Not only that, but I'd be more worried about being exposed to Meningitis than anything else.

I also find it hard to believe that cops would involve you in their investigation and ask you to call the girlfriend. That would be putting yourself AND your family in jeopardy. And they also wouldn't discuss any part of the case with anyone, taking the chance of jeopardizing their investigation.

You might want to call your doctor and ask about any exposure to meningitis.

JMO

[Muddy4paws]

:confused:

Why didn't you tell the police where to go?!

If I lived below something like that happening I would be the last person to get involved.


You need to take a step back and let the police do their own work, Dont get involved in drug related problems like the people above you, its just asking for trouble IMO.

[shais_mom]

agreed.
I don't think you need to be airing this all over the internet - it could bode very bad :(

[lizbud]

***I am now part of an investigation. Actually, I'm pretty much key to the investigation. I will update more later. I'm still a little shakey right now.


Right..... :rolleyes:

[shais_mom]

I just looked up the newspaper in Eugene Oregan and nothing is mentioned.
Course maybe she doesn't live there now, that's wouldn't be surprising.

[Catty1]

lizbud - was that comment necessary, hon? Maybe you meant it a certain way, but it came off to me as snide.

Sorry if I offended...I do think seeing a dead body unexpectedly, in an apartment upstairs from one's own, would leave people at least a bit rattled.

luckies, JMO - get some legal advice so you know what you are and are not required to do by the police, and also what you can share publicly.

{{{{hugs}}}} to all.

[lizbud]

lizbud - was that comment necessary, hon? Maybe you meant it a certain way, but it came off to me as snide.





Ya think? :)

[shais_mom]

Catty - I think Liz and others think this is just another page in a screenplay - not unlike another member we had until recently. So to quote you as to what you said to me once when I was shocked at something you said to someone, and I said I can't believe you had the balls to say that - and you said "balls? you betcha" so here .....
"Snide? You betcha!" b/c its another been there done that mentality.
I don't know if its true or not - but I did think she seemed rather cold/callous in her description of events.

[Catty1]

OK - I have never known luckies4me to dramatize anything, not in the threads I have seen in the past (not that I have caught all of them).

I figure someone that seems 'unemotional' in this case either a) has seen a lot in their life so this doesn't throw them, or b) is still in shock and the upset will come later.

But - keep checking the newspaper and media...cops may have quashed info right now.

[shais_mom]

OK - I have never known sparks19 to dramatize anything, not in the threads I have seen in the past (not that I have caught all of them).

I figure someone that seems 'unemotional' in this case either a) has seen a lot in their life so this doesn't throw them, or b) is still in shock and the upset will come later.

But - keep checking the newspaper and media...cops may have quashed info right now.
uhhh
get your people right Candace - READ
we are not in any way shape or form talking about sparks19 she isn't the OPENING POSTER and she hasn't even posted to this thread. But you are right - sparks19 doesn't dramatize anything - I'm sure she's too busy with a beautiful baby girl.
but sorry - you just lost your credibilaty in defending luckies4me.
Cass has had a lot go on in her life - and we have heard most of it.

[Catty1]

woops - I had to correct that spelling in an earlier post, which I caught. I missed this one.

Sorry, luckies!

She seems to have summed a lot of stuff up quite coherently in #64 on this thread...and used it to try and help someone:

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=139364&page=5

And if there is more to hear on this case, then we will hear about it.

I'll wait.

ETA: Did a search of Eugene OR news (tv mostly) and there's not a whisper about this. Odd...since many news stations have police scanners and are onto something like white on rice - instantly.

Let's see what luckies has to say about this.

[shais_mom]

You mean the one who moved to "Timbuktu".... :rolleyes:
yup!!

[luckies4me]

WOW, seems like everyone here wants to be their own little investigators. ;)

First off, I posted about this months ago. Yes, having druggie neighbors upstairs is a bit unerving, but I talk to this guy at least once a week. It's either to borrow the laundry key, to charge his cell phone (since they have not had electricity in god knows how long, which is also a requirement here at these apartments), to put milk in our fridge or any other number of things he dreams up of asking us. In fact, my bf saw Brad yesterday morning walking out of the 711, and that morning he went to the neighbors next to me to ask for some hydrogen peroxide. They asked him if he was going to cook meth, in which he replied, "No, I only smoke pot". Ya....

Anyway, the reason why they wanted me to call the girlfriend (liz) was to casually ask if they had heard from Brad, as until this morning no one knew where he was. I didn't feel like my life was in jeorpardy doing this. I had to call her anyway to see how she was doing, as when she lived here my roomate Eric and I made an effort to reach out to her and her baby as best we could, and Clancy said she would have liked to hear from me, hence the reason I was to call. I tried calling Clancy back today but he didn't answer.

I talked to the medical examiner this morning and he told me there was no longer a need to call her, or him, as they now know where Brad is. He's at Sacred Heart. I'm assuming from a drug overdose, but who knows. He didn't say. I'm assuming that if it was a drug overdose that he will be arrested after he is well enough to be released?

One thing the medical examiner mentioned was that they wouldn't even perform an autopsy on the man, because things like this happen so frequently. However, since I had mentioned to them that Clancy was here this weekend on "business" it kind of threw everyone for a loop. But, now that loop is gone, since we know where Brad is.

I also learned that the man who passed away had lunch with his father at 4 pm yesterday, which means he had died only about an hour after this. His father does not live in the state, but was here for medical treatment. How sad, to come here and visit your son and then the next day find out he has died from a drug overdose. My mother said this though, it could have been worse if the father was here and wasn't able to see his son, and then found out he died, instead of not having seen him at all.

When I went upstairs to look at his body they had his drivers license which was from Arkansas, but he had mail to that address, and they had also found a prescription pill bottle with the address on it, so apparently he had been living there, I had just never seen him. Of course, most of their traffic is at night when I'm "trying" to sleep.

One thing I find interesting is they told me that they usually do not contact the landlords? :confused: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was law for a landlord to be contacted if drugs are involved. I told me roomate about this and he said he would talk to his friend who does maintenance on these apartments and then he'll get back to us. The upstairs neighbors told me they have called several times about their noise and drug use, but nothing has happened. We too have called, and they were given a notice for trafficing and told that if they get another complaint they would be evicted, however it has been months since we called.

[luckies4me]

Oh, and as far as it being mentioned on the news, I'm assuming it wasn't news enough to be mentioned, however I'm going to try and pick up a paper today and see if anything is mentioned in the police section. I doubt there will be an obituary in our paper, since he was not from here. But yes, I've seen nothing on the news, and no one from any news company showed up. Apparently this happens so frequently it's not worth mentioning.

Also, get this! This is how stupid people on drugs are! A guy was upstairs this morning, digging around the apartment. Not very smart. I took down his plate number and gave it to the medical examiner. I don't know if this is the man who was with the girl who had phoned 911 or not, but either way, you've got to be pretty stupid to walk back into a house a man just died at to get your belongings.

My roomate and I went upstairs to the apartment earlier as the door was wide open. The house is absolutely disgusting and looks more so during the day. We tried shutting the door, slamming it even, but it will not shut. I'm sure I will see more people up there though, at least until the landlords get their heads together and do something. In all honesty, I highly doubt they will do anything, seeing as he's been reported to them several times.

[luckies4me]

I just looked up the newspaper in Eugene Oregan and nothing is mentioned.
Course maybe she doesn't live there now, that's wouldn't be surprising.


Yes, I still live in Eugene, but why does that matter? Not to burst your bubble or anything, but I have two kids and a full time job. I don't have time to sit here dreaming up crazy stories to post on the internet, as much as you'd like to believe so. :rolleyes:

[shais_mom]

Yes, I still live in Eugene, but why does that matter? Not to burst your bubble or anything, but I have two kids and a full time job. I don't have time to sit here dreaming up crazy stories to post on the internet, as much as you'd like to believe so. :rolleyes:
I only asked b/c I wasn't sure if I was looking in the right area. Wouldn't do much good looking for a death overdose in Eugene, OR if you lived in Fargo, North Dakota now would it? And no I'm not implying you ever lived there or been there- just using that as an example.
I didn't imply YOU were sitting around making up stories, like someone else did. Honestly, I'm glad you have a FT job now and that you're kids are finally in a stable environment. Honest.

[luckies4me]

I see. :) Sorry to have been rude.

Now, as far as the medical examiner goes, he pretty much offered me a job this morning on the phone. We were talking about my interest in medicine/healthcare, and he told me he could get my foot into the door at Sacred Heart. He also works there, as a surgical nurse, for the past 40 years, but does the medical examiner job part time. :) I really like working with animals, but the pay would be a lot better working in human healthcare. Before he left yesterday he gave me his home telephone number, which seemed kind of odd, and even he himself mentioned he has never done that before, but he said he was impressed with me. It was nice to hear, and made me very happy to hear someone think I could make it in a field like that!

Not to jump off subject, but I had to brag for a second. :p I'm going to head over to the local 711 right now and pick up a paper and see if I can find anything. Hopefully, there will not be anyone over there tonight, as I work very early tomorrow morning and would really benefit from a good nights rest! *keeping fingers crossed*.

Now, I have a question. If nothing is done with the tenant above, do I as a tenant here have any rights to getting him kicked out? Not only is it me, but everyone else who lives here has had enough. Everyone else here are quiet, friendly, nice people and we'd like to have it that way.

Someone mentioned earlier about posting this online. I am not worried in the least. If they cannot afford to pay for electricity, I hardly doubt they can pay for internet. Plus, with as doped up as they always are, I'd be surprised if they could read!

[shais_mom]

Someone mentioned earlier about posting this online. I am not worried in the least. If they cannot afford to pay for electricity, I hardly doubt they can pay for internet. Plus, with as doped up as they always are, I'm be surprised if they could read!
I wasn't concerned about THEM - I was concerned about the police and investigation itself. just a random worry..
off to worry about something else.... :)

[luckies4me]

:confused:

Why didn't you tell the police where to go?!



I don't understand what you're asking? :confused:

[shais_mom]

I don't understand what you're asking? :confused:
I think and I could be wrong- she means she wouldn't have helped them with their questions etc???
telling them where to go/where to stick it or whatever...
that's MY intrepretation - I am not telling you to do that....

[luckies4me]

Also, let me mention this. As far as me seeming like I could give a rats butt the guy died, well in a way that's true. I was shakey when I saw him, but not because I was seeing a dead person, more so because I was so pissed off inside that anyone could ever do this to themselves. Seeing a dead body wouldn't scare me, nor do blood, guts etc. I deal with that stuff on a daily basis. Yes, I felt sorry for the man because he ruined what could have been a good life by being stupid, but I felt even worse for that mans family.

It's hard to feel bad for someone who has brought this upon themselves. Before everyone knew there had been a death, I went to the neighbors and the first thing out of her mouth was, "What, did he finally overdose?" Everyone knew it was coming. It was just a matter of time.

[luckies4me]

I think and I could be wrong- she means she wouldn't have helped them with their questions etc???
telling them where to go/where to stick it or whatever...
that's MY intrepretation - I am not telling you to do that....

Well, I was the one who told them the information. I came to them. When the police officer first came up to me outside he asked if I knew the man. I said yes, thinking it was Brad, and then said, "Well, I know OF him". That is when I started explaining the events that have occured over the past year or so. Later on, after thinking of Clancy having been there this weekend, I figured I should probably let them know. I would never hide anything from the police if I feel it is something they should know about. I have a great deal of respect for Eugene police officers.

[shais_mom]

Also, let me mention this. As far as me seeming like I could give a rats butt the guy died, well in a way that's true. I was shakey when I saw him, but not because I was seeing a dead person, more so because I was so pissed off inside that anyone could ever do this to themselves. Seeing a dead body wouldn't scare me, nor do blood, guts etc. I deal with that stuff on a daily basis. Yes, I felt sorry for the man because he ruined what could have been a good life by being stupid, but I felt even worse for that mans family.

It's hard to feel bad for someone who has brought this upon themselves. Before everyone knew there had been a death, I went to the neighbors and the first thing out of her mouth was, "What, did he finally overdose?" Everyone knew it was coming. It was just a matter of time.
I know that I didn't say Ratt's butt but thanks for the clarification. Puts things into a better prespective as to how you felt when IDing him....

[shais_mom]

Well, I was the one who told them the information. I came to them. When the police officer first came up to me outside he asked if I knew the man. I said yes, thinking it was Brad, and then said, "Well, I know OF him". That is when I started explaining the events that have occured over the past year or so. Later on, after thinking of Clancy having been there this weekend, I figured I should probably let them know. I would never hide anything from the police if I feel it is something they should know about. I have a great deal of respect for Eugene police officers.
if it were me as well I couldn't imagine NOT helping out in something like that either....
I was raised to respect officers and the law as well.

[luckies4me]

I went to get a paper but there are no more left. I forgot today was Sunday. I looked online in the For the Record section but don't see anything mentioned, however it could take a few days to post.

[luckies4me]

Here's my neighbors take on the whole situation. You can read it here in her myspace blog.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4272007&blogID=365498045

[Muddy4paws]

Sorry, I just wanted to clear up what I meant.

I'm not saying I dont believe you or anything, I think I say things differently to the American way of saying things.

shais_mom was right in what I meant. I would of left everything to the police I wouldn't ask them to do my job so I wouldn't expect to do theirs especially so close to home. I know its just my opinion and it doesn't really count but please do be careful.