Ally Cat Updates [Archive]

Catty1

01-02-2008, 12:39 AM

Lizzie - I think Ally is going to a nearby shelter. Jenn has also been trying to connect with Best Friends PA, but her computer has been really fussy!

The Best Friends folks in Utah (the main sanctuary) have a spot for pets that will never be adoptable for one reason or another - on the other hand, they have worked with 'impossible' cases and accomplished amazing things!

Jenn has done TONS for Ally. Thing is, she has other cats, and like many of us, has this thing called a job! :) Best Friends has staff that can work with the animals much more intensively than any of us are able to, because of our schedules.

Hey, Jenn - send them a resume! You never know! ;)

jennielynn1970

01-02-2008, 04:35 AM

Ally is still here. I have the one room totally cleaned out and my friend has stuff that's he's already unloaded waiting for me to scrub down the floors and the walls. We want to paint it yet (the people who were here before painted it pink, and it's ugly). He's also looking for a carpet remnant. I've had the HEPA filter going in there 24/7, and it feels more breathable to me. I'm hoping to get a few more days so that I can get Ally to the best possible place. For some reason, I cannot access Best Friends from here at home, it just keeps spinning and the page doesn't load. I can get to their store, or the Guardian Angel pages, but not the main page. Figures. Will try more at school today. Am up early anyway, and can't sleep so I figured I'd get there early while it was quiet and get things done.

Will keep you posted.

Catty1

01-02-2008, 10:35 AM

Jenn - I PM'd you an email address for BF in Utah. Hope you can get through on the links today at work.

Emeraldgreen

01-02-2008, 08:32 PM

Hi Jenn, I've been reading all of the posts in this thread and though I am not able to take in another cat at this time, I'm hoping an idea I have might help. I'm wondering if you think some Clomicalm might help Ally? I have two bottles of 5mg Clomicalm (60tabs) per bottle that were prescribed for my cat Paddy in mid October for aggression. Things have settled down here without needing the meds and I'm not sure if it's something I'll need to try with Paddy in the future but for now, the bottles are just sitting here gathering dust. One bottle has never been opened and the other is only missing one tablet. I know that it may not be ethical giving meds that were prescribed for one cat to another cat but in this case maybe it would be okay because Ally's options are so limited. I would be more than happy to mail them to you and who knows, maybe it will soften her personality enough to at least make her temporary situation with you more tolerable and her potential future living arrangements, wherever that may be, more comfortable for her. It sounds like she is dealing with issues that stem from once being feral and maybe she is angry for being 'abandoned' and this might not be an answer but it might take the edge off and make things easier.
Anyway, if you would like to give it a try, just let me know and I will send them in the mail tomorrow. I wish I could do more to help. Hope things get better for both you and Ally.

phesina

01-02-2008, 08:45 PM

Another possibility: Heaven's Gift Animal Rescue and Sanctuary. More in this post in Other/General:

Another possible place for Ally? (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?p=1951080#post1952942)

Felicia's Mom

01-03-2008, 05:16 PM

I am sorry you are having problems with Ally. If I could help I would get back my own cats.

Wishing you the best of luck.

Emeraldgreen

01-03-2008, 10:35 PM

Hi Jenn, got home late today and just got your message. I'll send them off tomorrow. Hope it helps. :)

jennielynn1970

01-04-2008, 10:42 AM

I just emailed Julie and asked for a bio of Ally to give the people at Best Friends of her history from when she got her.... hopefully that will give them some insight and get her some help.

Karen

01-04-2008, 11:15 AM

Her biography as such appears on her Cat of the Day page!

Yes, Ally was Cat of the Day. back in 2003:
http://catoftheday.com/archive/2003/August/14.html

Emeraldgreen

01-04-2008, 12:57 PM

After reading Ally's 'Cat of the Day' bio it makes the situation all the more sad. Sounds like she was quite a different cat at one time. Here's hoping the 'old' Ally will find herself again through various measures (i.e. continued care, possible new location, meds and maybe one day a new family). Prayers going out for Jenn and Ally. Hang in there.

Catty1

01-04-2008, 01:05 PM

I looked up past posts, and sent the relevant bits to Jenn.

Ally was fine til they got Connor.

And Julie's husband, Warren, is the one person she has never bitten.

I posted some of this in General.

lizbud

01-04-2008, 01:14 PM

Her biography as such appears on her Cat of the Day page!

Yes, Ally was Cat of the Day. back in 2003:
http://catoftheday.com/archive/2003/August/14.html

Thanks for the link Karen. If Julie found & brought her inside at 4 weeks,
I would hardly call her a feral cat. My two boys, Red & Mikey were brought
into my house at 12 weeks & they became tame & super friendly.(They were
born outside to a feral cat Momma Kitty )

I do hope something can be worked out for Ally.

Emeraldgreen

01-04-2008, 02:54 PM

Catty1, good detective work! Maybe down the road a home with a male owner and no other cats might be just what Ally needs to become happy and less aggressive again. :)

Laura's Babies

01-04-2008, 05:20 PM

lizbud

01-04-2008, 06:19 PM

Barbara

01-05-2008, 09:02 AM

My bet is she just don't understand what happened, where her humans went, why they deserted her and why she was left alone. She is probably like Boo and is just MAD! MAD! MAD! Depressed too I bet. The last thing she needs is to be moved again but I can understand your delima. Poor girl, I hope things settle down for her and she adjusts to whatever life holds for her.

She has been away from her mom at 4 weeks- and I think we all know that this is a bad start for a tiny kitten. Ally and Julie were around a lot when I first came to PT and Ally never showed aggression issues before Connor came- at least I never heard about them before but the fact that they didn't get along came in after he became adopted.

I also see Ally as very lonely, mad and I suppose she would be happier as an only kit. I hope so much she can be happy again.

jennielynn1970

01-19-2008, 01:46 PM

Well, my friend upstairs is using earplugs, which will do for now, but Ally is quite the screamer of a cat when she wants attention and KNOWS that someone is right in the next room! She bit Greg already, but he was prepared and just shook her to the floor (he said) and closed her door. He's not being very friendly any longer.

I've been giving her the Clomicalm once a day since Emeraldgreen sent it to me. She seems more subdued during the daytime (I've been home sick for the past week), but come night time, she is down at the bottom of the stairs (when I open the door to her room to let her run up and down the stairs for exercise), and she is wailing.

I've been wrapping her in a blanket, walking around with her, talking to her. She is still NOT happy with this. Her pupils are totally dilated most of the time, even before the clomicalm, and she just seems to be very agitated. She's not the most fun cat to pill either.

Sometimes she seems a little more calm, but then Fluff will walk around and meow and want to see her, and she totally FLIPS out. He's just so nosey and never wants to go away! She hates seeing any other cats, and so I basically have to baricade myself in a room where I'm pilling her to get her to semi-calm. I hate keeping her upstairs all the time, and figured being downstairs in a room by herself, at least for a bit, would give her some variety. I dunno. She puzzles me.

I did email Nancy Efrusy again. She has 4-5 in front of me, but said it will be a couple weeks. It's not like she's going anywhere at this point. I can't put her on a farm now. It's freezing cold, she'd die of exposure if she decided to run out of the barn. She's a warm climate kitty... it just wouldn't be fair. So, for now, she's in her room, Greg's in his room (with HEPA filter and ear plugs) and we're trying the clomicalm.

Will update more if and when it become available, lol.

shais_mom

01-19-2008, 03:18 PM

this situation totally sucks for the both of you I'm so sorry. But thank you for doing what you are doing with her. I can't imagine trying to hold her carrying her after what she is known for. THANK YOU for not giving up on her!
*heart*

Catty1

01-19-2008, 04:19 PM

Jenn - this guy posted in Marketplace a while back; a pet psychologist in Austria.

First inquiry there is no charge - but if is a serious issue (aggression) then he uses a questionnaire and draws up a therapy plan. That he does have to charge for.

Here's the link...and his website is there too (click on his doggie Tina!). He seems kind and the type who would let a person know up front what the costs would be...and I would do my best to contribute a bit.

Heck - it can't hurt to ask, might help. :)

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=128652&highlight=psychologist

(BTW - I think he's cute! ;) )

jennielynn1970

01-19-2008, 04:37 PM

Jenn - this guy posted in Marketplace a while back; a pet psychologist in Austria.

First inquiry there is no charge - but if is a serious issue (aggression) then he uses a questionnaire and draws up a therapy plan. That he does have to charge for.

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=128652&highlight=psychologist

(BTW - I think he's cute! ;) )

He was on here before, I emailed and PMd him before. I got no response. I'm not wasting my time typing out more stuff if he's not going to respond. I send a long letter, and got nothing in return, but the PM said it was read.

So much for him being helpful.

carole

01-19-2008, 05:34 PM

My heart goes out to you, what a terrible situation to be in, everyone here knows you have Ally's best interest at heart and you are trying to do what is best for her, she is indeed fortunate to have a such a caring person looking after her,i sincerely hope you can find a solution, this must be extremely stressful for you,i do think Julie has a big responsibility here too,although not quite sure what she can do now,maybe some financial assistance with getting some help for Alley could be on the cards, a cat whisperer if there is such a thing over there, and i am sure there is.

You are in my thoughts, and all i can say is http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/jewellnz/GJ-YoureAmazing01.gif

Take care and all the best.

Catty1

01-19-2008, 05:51 PM

Sorry, Jenn - I didn't know you had tried to reach him.

Guess he was expecting a flood of inquiries when he posted here - and left a tad disappointed.

HUGS!

Laura's Babies

01-19-2008, 06:04 PM

I hope Nancy can do for you and Alley what she did for me and Boo... even half of what she did would be a big improvement, although Boo did deeply bite me twice and I had to get shots and antibotics. The turn around has been amazing! (she will still bite at me to let me know I have met her limit of petting).

Ally has (to me) was terriably tramatized when she was (in her mind) abandoned and that is probably her problem, like I said angry, angry, angry! I hope Nancy can help make her into the happy cat that Boo is now.

catmandu

01-19-2008, 07:23 PM

We Are Praying That You Can Calm Ally Down, But Some Cats Are So Traumatized By The Past That They Are Always Going To Be Scraed, And Its Fear That Makes Ally Act Like That. I Have Had Cats Who Were Afraid Of Me, But They Loved The Other Found Cats.
We Are Praying That Somehow You Can Let Her Know That She Has Nothing To Fear Anymore.

phesina

01-19-2008, 08:25 PM

My prayers for you and Ally and a workable solution to all this.

God bless you, Jen.

Pat

jennielynn1970

01-19-2008, 09:30 PM

I
Ally has (to me) was terriably tramatized when she was (in her mind) abandoned and that is probably her problem, like I said angry, angry, angry! I hope Nancy can help make her into the happy cat that Boo is now.

I would say angry would be an understatement. The scariest thing about her is when her eyes turn completely black, and she just shrieks. This happens daily, and it happens in an alarmingly quick amount of time.

I'm hoping the Clomicalm will kick in....

Craftlady

01-19-2008, 10:14 PM

I've been giving her the Clomicalm once a day since Emeraldgreen sent it to me. She seems more subdued during the daytime (I've been home sick for the past week), but come night time, she is down at the bottom of the stairs (when I open the door to her room to let her run up and down the stairs for exercise), and she is wailing..

Could you give her another dose in the evening? Maybe that would get her through the night. Still keeping good thoughts and prayers for you.

gini

01-20-2008, 12:19 AM

I don't know what this has to do with anything..........but I was thinking about Annie and Emma.

Both (sisters) were born outdoors next door. Their Mama was barely a kitten herself. They lived outdoors for the first nine months of their lives. They would come into my yard all of the time.

They have now been with me a little over five years. It has taken ALL of this time for me to get Emma calmed down and comfortable. She has destroyed lamps, chairs, furniture - the underside of my box springs......you name it. She has never (nor has Annie) ever lifted a paw or bitten me.

She used to be scared to death of my feet - so someone obviously used to kick her.

But it has taken FIVE years to get her to be loving and trusting. She still doesn't like strangers. For the past year or so she now snuggles with me at night. I thought I had died and gone to heaven when that happened.

That is just her background - now compare hers to Ally's - and it just breaks your heart.

I have said this before and I will keep saying it - Jenn, you must be a saint!

Catty1

01-20-2008, 12:23 AM

jennielynn1970

01-20-2008, 12:31 AM

Jenn, to echo Craftlady - try a dose in the evening as well.

I don't know if it would conflict with the Clomicalm...but if with two doses a day gets Ally to where you MIGHT be able to slip an elastic collar onto her with a tiny 'sleeve' of cloth on it, you could also try a tiny shot of Feliway into the 'sleeve'. That way she gets the 4 hour exposure.

Praying that Nancy can reach her this time.

HUGS

Will have to try that... maybe splitting the dose in half, and half in the AM and half in the PM. Not sure. I'd like to feel safe handling her. I don't. She's very unpredictable.

Catty1

01-20-2008, 12:41 AM

So - the dose she is getting now is for the whole DAY?

I wonder what dose Medusa uses...

Still praying for you and dear Ally...

Lizzie

01-20-2008, 01:35 AM

I know the Clomicalm was sent by another PT'er, and I've offered to send my chache also. However, it is a serious drug that can cause heart rate increase and other problems. The dose for my cat, who is about 14#, was 10mg per day and I don't know if a vet would recommend giving half that dose twice a day. Unfortunately, it does take 6-8 weeks, even longer in some cats, to show full effect. Has Ally seen a vet recently, or even since she came to you?

I couldn't believe you were holding her and cuddling her, I'm sure I wouldn't be capable of doing that with a cat like Ally.

krazyaboutkatz

01-20-2008, 01:39 AM

Jenn, I'm so sorry to hear that you're still having behavioral issues with Ally.:(
When Storm was on clomicalm he was on the compounded liquid form because his doesage was higher due to his weight of 14lbs. He only received it at night time and it made him sleep through the night but he was still very groggy and lethargic in the morning which I didn't like at all.

Over time he became less groggy and lethargic but he still wasn't the same Storm that I know and love. He also didn't run and play any more. I told my vet that I wanted to take him off of it and even though he hadn't been on it for very long (I think it was for no longer than 1- 11/2 months) my vet said that I had to wean him off of it or else he could have a bad reaction and behavioral problems which is something to think about if you have to stop giving this to Ally or if you run out of the medicine.

I sure hope that something will be able to Ally calm down and relax. I also hope that Nancy will be able to help you this time. Please continue to keep us updated about her. You are an angel for putting up with everything that Ally has done. I'll keep Ally in my thoughts and prayers.

jennielynn1970

01-20-2008, 02:06 AM

Ok, the tablets are 5mg. tabs. I could try to do 2.5 twice a day to see if it has a better effect. She's only been on it a few days, so it's really not a true test to see how it will totally affect her.

When I say "holding and cuddling" don't get all warm and fuzzy. :p It's me having Ally wrapped in a blanket for her protection, as well as mine, so that I can carry her about on my 2nd floor where the other cats are. When she sees and hears the other cats she's not very happy, but I want to be able to pill her in the bathroom next to the soap and water and betadine just because of past experiences. I'm not sure that she likes to be held in that way. I just need to keep her mouth and those darn long claws she has away from me. I wouldn't be surprised if she locked on to me with her claws and launched herself at my head or something with her teeth. She's aggressive. Highly aggressive. Maybe it's a survival thing. I really don't know. I do not think the flight over here was the cause of her becoming like this. She was like this. She was aggressive. Whether it was due to Connor being introduced or not, I really don't know. I know on some of her pics she looks sweet as pie, and I'd LOVE to know that side of Ally.

To be quite honest, part of me wonders about schizophrenia in cats. If you could just see her eye go PURE BLACK.... it's one heck of a sight, and you are really wondering where to go to and what is going on in that head of hers.

Vet... ugh. Haven't taken her back yet. I'm kinda scared of getting her into the carrier. I wonder if they could run a bunch of tests to see if anything comes up strange. There's money left for it, and I can always chip in or see if I can make payments. I'd just hate to have any of the vet staff attacked by her before she was totally vetted there.

krazyaboutkatz

01-20-2008, 02:21 AM

Jenn, I had a semi-feral cat named Cirrus before you had joined PT. I couldn't even pick him up and I never tried because I was afraid that he'd bite me. The few times that I did take him to the vet, I had to put the carrier in the bathroom next to the toilet and then I'd get a broom and just chase him in the carrier. He'd hiss and growl and act like a wild cat.:eek:

He became blocked and since he was very hard to take back and forth to the vet, I decided to have PU surgery done. This is wear they make the opening larger on a male so they pee like a female. I warned the vet that he would probably bite but he didn't listen very well and Cirrus got out of his e-collar when he was trying to give him medicine and he bit him in the crotch area.:eek: After that he basically didn't want anything more to do with Cirrus and he warned all of his vet techs to not touch him. He had to be gased a few times to secure his e-collar better and when his stitches were removed.

I eventually had to rehome him because he and Storm would have daily battles and Cirrus was trying to take over as Alpha Cat. He also started lashing out at Sky. Sunny was his only buddy. I learned my lesson in that I'm just not cut out to have a feral or even a semi-feral cat. Now he's in a much better home and he even has a cat run and tables to sun himself on outside.:)

There are vets that know how to handle feral cats. Maybe you should try to look into this. Hopefully there are some in your area and they won't cost too much. Good luck.:)

carole

01-20-2008, 03:34 AM

I would not be over concerned about the vets, they handle cats like Ally all the time, especially ferals,long as you give them plenty of warning, i think that it would be fine.

Poor you and poor ally, she must be in such a state to act as she does,you are indeed a saint, again i wish you all the luck in the world, by the sounds of it you are going to need it.

Medusa

01-20-2008, 08:50 AM

Could you give her another dose in the evening? Maybe that would get her through the night.
No, don't do that. It's best to give only the recommended dosage once a day. I was instructed to give Clomicalm at night before bed and that's it, unless your vet says otherwise. I'll admit to not having read the entire thread so forgive me if this has been suggested already: try kitty Prozac. I hear it works wonders for behavioral issues. Ten mg. of Clomicalm a day is a lot! I give 5 mg. at night, regardless of the weight of the cat. Mine vary in weight from 7 lb. to 11 lb. and they all get the same dosage. When I asked if I could increase the dosage or give it during the day as well, I was emphatically told "NO". Please check w/your vet first before you increase the dosage or the frequency. I think I've been fortunate because I haven't played w/the dosage and it started working immediately. Some vets say it takes 6 - 8 weeks to begin working but that hasn't been the case here.

Kirsten

01-20-2008, 09:18 AM

I would say angry would be an understatement. The scariest thing about her is when her eyes turn completely black, and she just shrieks. This happens daily, and it happens in an alarmingly quick amount of time.

How scary! :( This girl's soul must be so very traumatized!! I'm feeling so bad for both of you!

Kirsten

nepeta

01-20-2008, 09:33 AM

Another possible source of help might be the Animal Behavior Clinic at the Tufts University veterinary college. They have a service called Petfax where people not in their local area can request assistance.

http://www.tufts.edu/vet/behavior/help.shtml

Emeraldgreen

01-20-2008, 03:30 PM

I found a few sites that quote that Clomicalm can be given twice a day. One site is: vetinfo4cats.com (http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/cathair.html)
"Some cats do seem to respond to medications used for obsessive-compulsive disorders based on anecdotal reports, including clomipramine (Clomicalm Rx, 5mg per cat twice a day), fluoxetine (Prozac Rx, 1 mg/kg once a day) and amitriptyline (Elavil Rx, 2.5 to 10mg per cat once or twice a day). "

and I also found: "I know that many vets are using clomipramine for cats, though. There is a published dosage of 1 to 5 mg/cat per day. The most commonly recommended uses are inappropriate urinary behaviors (urine or stool marking) and psychogenic alopecias, or hairloss that is induced by
obsessive-compulsive grooming behavior on the part of the cat.
from the site: another site (http://www.catbreedadvice.com/Cat-Health/Appetite-stimulants.html)
The confusing part is that I think it's the same vet, Dr. Mike Richards who provided both quotes!!

I can't remember what the dosage for Paddy was on the stickers on the bottles but he is a really big guy, and I don't think he was prescribed more than 1 tab per day. Are the stickers still legible Jenn?

Does Ally eat wet food? If so, are you able to crush it up and mix it in the food?
My other suggestion was that you could take the two bottles to a compounding pharmacy and usually for about 20.00 (depending on the drug and the number of pills) they can put it into a chicken or fish flavoured suspension that Ally might like or the suspension could be mixed in with her wet food if she eats that.

carole

01-20-2008, 05:56 PM

Emeraldgreen

01-20-2008, 07:16 PM

Amitriptylene is an awful drug IMO, i took it briefly for my fibromyalgia, if it does what it did to me to a cat, i feel nothing but sorry for the cat, she sure will be doped to the eyeballs, like a zombie ,however i guess everyone is different and even though mine was in small doses it had a terrible effect on me, it could well do the same to a cat, but in Ally's case you may have no other choice, which is sad,but reality., i wish you luck with whatever you try.

Just a quick note to add that in my previous post I wasn't suggesting Amitriptylene. I was just posting a quote from the internet about Clomicalm and the entire sentence happen to include a few other drugs but my focus was on the Clomicalm part of that sentence.

carole

01-20-2008, 07:35 PM

Yes i understand that you were doing that, just thought i would let people know about the other as it can be a terrible drug for some people and I imagine cats too, cheers. :)

jenluckenbach

01-20-2008, 07:45 PM

I have cats on amitriptylin. And YES< the vet said too high of a dose can make them be like zombies. But they are fine. Sterling is a little more subdued than if he did not have the medicine, but in his case, it can be a GOOD thing. The boy is downright PESTY if he spits out one of his pills unknown to anyone! :p Jim still has PLENTY of spunk after his doses. And Mickey (on a lower dose) also could probably use a little more calming down....LOL So it is not a guarrenteed side effect.

but you know what, I hate to say this, but I would rather have Ally drugged than EVIL! LOL (just my opinion.)

jennielynn1970

01-20-2008, 07:50 PM

but you know what, I hate to say this, but I would rather have Ally drugged than EVIL! LOL (just my opinion.)

Ditto... and honestly, until you've experienced her, you have NO idea how difficult she is. Difficult... gosh, that's really an understatement, lol.

carole

01-20-2008, 11:53 PM

I found that very interesting reading Jen, and i have to agree only the person who is experiencing Ally's agression really knows what is best for her, i am sure the drug can work wonders for some cats , just as it does for some humans, just wasn't the right one for me lol, just have empathy for any human or cat that felt the way i did,total zombie from morning to night.

I can only imagine you are at your'e wits end and willing to try almost anything. good luck.

jennielynn1970

01-21-2008, 09:21 AM

It hasn't made her a zombie, or that drugged up. I wouldn't actually want her to be some drooling cat unable to do anything. It mellows her out, and that's what she needs. It doesn't seem to last a full 24 hrs, but that's ok, as long as she's got some relief and isn't as tormented as she normally seems.

carole

01-21-2008, 12:10 PM

Thats good that it just calms her down, she is not on the amitriptylene though is she? just the other medication,some people need calming down , and some cats do and Ally sure sounds like a candidate for that,you have been through an awful lot with her, i am relieved to hear that this medication is helping her some.

pitc9

01-21-2008, 12:10 PM

This is so sad... poor Alley. All anyone wants is for her to enjoy life and not see people as evil monsters that need to have their eyes scratched out.

{{hugs}}

jennielynn1970

01-21-2008, 01:05 PM

Ok, if you really don't want to hear negative news, please do not read. I was really hoping for some kind of better update for the reading, but geez.... it just sounds like she's even worse :eek: :(

This is directly from Nancy:
first, i want to say that i remember you and ally very well because of the situation. if i remember, the owners live across the world and were moving and you offered to take ally for a short amount of time. at the time, i had the feeling they were never taking her back and i am sorry that that was correct.

i remember ally as being nasty nasty nasty. she is one of the nastiest cats i have ever read. she feels exactly the same and no better.

she has a very deep rooted anger. i am not sure if she came this way into the world (it feels like she has) or if this has developed over time(i feel she came this way).

sometimes, when things are this bad i have suggested medication. i do not see medication touching this. is is very very deep rooted. might put her in a stupor for awhile but the anger is still there.

i feel as though she hates everyone. an evil hatred. as i told you before i would not have this cat in my house. she is poison to your other animals and to you and the energy in the house.

i do not say these things lightly. i run a boxer rescue, have 8 pets and work with animals daily. this is a cat that would be better off put to sleep. i do not just mean that you and your cats would be better off but SHE would be better off. it is hard to go through the days with such deep rooted hatred.
you would not be doing a bad thing. this would be the only way she can find some peace AND the others (including yourself) can find some peace.

animal rescue is not just about saving animals, it is also about not sacrificing others as well. i have learned this lesson the hard way.

she is not adoptable. she is angry, unhappy and vicious. she is not workable.

i really think you need to think long and hard about this. like i said, i do not take this lightly and have maybe said this two or three times to clients out of hundreds and hundreds.

this really is not as hard as a decision as you might think if you look at it openly and from all angles.

Grace

01-21-2008, 01:13 PM

This makes me cry - poor Ally. Nancy has seemed to be spot on with her other readings, so is most likely correct this time.

Perhaps it would be kinder, for Ally, to go to The Bridge and be happy finally?

pitc9

01-21-2008, 01:14 PM

{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}

I'm so sorry Jenn.

:(

Kirsten

01-21-2008, 01:23 PM

Oh no, I'm really really sorry to read this!! :( :( :( That's devastating news, even if it's not really "news" as Nancy said something like that before. Would be easier if Ally had revealed to Nancy whether she wants to live, or be delivered from her pain, and her hatred.

I feel so sad for Ally's poor little soul, because there must have been a reason why she is like that. And I feel bad for you as you're the one who has to deal with the situation.

I'm looking at my girls and see two lovable and sweet little souls, and I wonder what's necessary to destroy a kitty soul like the way Ally's was destroyed. (Strange that Nancy says she came like this into this world, maybe it's some kind of karma?)

OMG, I really wouldn't want to make this decision now... :( :( :(

Kirsten

orangemm

01-21-2008, 01:24 PM

What a sad situation. For Ally, for Jenn, for her other animals.

((((hugs)))) to Jenn. :(

shais_mom

01-21-2008, 01:32 PM

I'm sorry to hear this but can't say I'm surprised.
I've thought this for a long time.
May God Bless you in WHATEVER you decide to do.

Emeraldgreen

01-21-2008, 01:34 PM

Hi Jenn, Wow, that was hard to read. I'm definitely a believer in the possibility of people being able to do these readings and have used Dr. Monica Diederich a few times but have never used Nancy. I know from reading other posts that Nancy is well respected. Do you think a second reading from someone else could be an option? Dr. Monica has a website and can do it all by email. I think it's 65.00. I know that is alot of money but it could be one last option. I'm not saying that she would come up with a different reading than Nancy, but perhaps some added information that might provide a final clue or possibility.
Also, I'm hoping that despite the reading you just got, that you'll give the meds a try and see if a miracle happens. But I know your plate is really full right now with all of your rescues and with the Woodster on his way so this is more than one person can or should have to take. I'm just so sad for Ally and you. It's hard. :(

Lizzie

01-21-2008, 01:38 PM

I am not someone who would ever turn to Nancy and I would never, ever base any decision on what she says - although I know many of you feel very differently. That out of the way, I'm wondering if what Jennie said earlier about Ally having a mental disorder is true. I think this is possible, and if it is then she is in constant mental anguish - just as you see with people who are, let's say, schizophrenic. I've had a couple of cats who have shown all the symptoms of a mental disorder and they were never content for more than brief periods and certainly never happy. You have taken on the responsibilities of Ally's owner, I'm afraid, Jennie, and you may have to be the one to most truly put Ally out of her constant misery.

Two things. I have had good luck with Prozac, it's made a huge difference to my Taranis and she enjoys her life much more now, and she's not at all "out of it". (She's not one of the ones I mentioned above.) If you want one more really strong effort to get a handle on this, go to the vet and get her on Prozac. Clomicalm will dope her up, Prozac will rewire her to some degree.

The other is this. Have you ever seen Ally looking content? Does she ever lie about looking relaxed? Does she ever play? Is there anything in her life now that would make her want to go on living, if she was able to think that way?

Like everyone else here, I would hate to be in your shoes.

Karen

01-21-2008, 01:46 PM

I would not base a decision on one person's reading, any more than I would have surgery on one doc's recomendation.

That said, I am still hoping for Ally to find a home where she can be an only cat. She was pretty happy in her original home until the second cat was introduced, and it all went downhill from there.

Barbara

01-21-2008, 01:47 PM

Scooter's Mom

01-21-2008, 02:13 PM

I have used Nancy to read my boys. She's spot on accurate on so many levels. She didn't say one thing to me tat was incorrect.

That being said - Jenn, you have my full support whatever you do. Remember the pm I sent you awhile back. 100% support.

I'm sorry to say, but I'd have probably euthanized Ally months ago. You've given her a lot longer than I have. I'd have probably been alright after the 1st attack, but once she did it again, with such viciousness and vindictiveness, she'd have either been pts or sent somewhere else.

Hugs to you in your very hard decision,
Crystal

Taz_Zoee

01-21-2008, 02:25 PM

Wow, this brings tears to my eyes as well. And I'm pretty skeptical about these readings in the first place. But having talked to Jennie and knowing how Ally is....:(. However, I am not sure Jennie can bring herself to make this decision. Maybe Barbara is right in just taking her to a shelter. Then the decision is out of your hands. But I know you will always think about her.
Perhaps the other suggestions would be an option as well. Another reading or the Prozac. But I know with another animal coming into the family this will really stretch the finances.
Jennie, I am so sorry. You know how to reach me.... ((hugs)).

Medusa

01-21-2008, 02:52 PM

While I can understand how difficult it is to live with Ally I have to say that I feel irritated- to put it mildly- by someone who attributes to a cat characteristics like "nastiness" and "evil hatred".

I am absolutely convinced that I would attribute these words to very few humans in the world and definitely not to an animal. It is an anthropomorphism of the worst kind.
I must say that I'm in agreement w/this statement. That isn't to say that what you're experiencing isn't heart wrenching. I know that it is. If you haven't tried Prozac yet, you might want to give it a whirl. And everyone on PT knows my good experience w/Clomicalm. It does NOT drug my cats in any way and does not change their personalities for the worse. For whatever reason/s, if those options are not available to you, you may have to help Ally to the bridge.

Just one more thought: years ago I wanted to rescue dogs as well as cats. I took in a dog that showed up on my doorstep on Thanksgiving Day. She was absolutely beautiful and I thought that she would be easy to place. Well, I was wrong. She attacked me twice, once to the point where I had to run to my car and lock myself in, honk the horn til my son heard it and he came and rescued me from her. She was on the hood of my car, growling at me through the windshield, showing me every tooth in her mouth and her eyes were wild. Later that evening, she put her head in my lap as though nothing had occurred earlier, only to attack me again in a split second, this time grabbing hold of my ear. I worried that she would attack my friends or worse, their small children, so I called my vet w/my concerns. He examined her and showed me her teeth, which were pitted. He said that pitted teeth can possibly be caused by distemper and, if a dog lives through it, it can make them crazy, sort of schizophrenic. He said "This dog is miserable, Mary, and the kindest thing you can do is to put her to sleep." I did not want to do that but once he told me that she was miserable, that was enough for me.

The reason I mention this is because Ally may have some disease or disorder causing her to behave in such a manner that she frightens you as she does. If this is the case, perhaps the kindest thing that you can do for her is to help her find peace by escorting her to the Bridge. I apologize if it appears that I was trying to hijack your thread. That truly wasn't my intention. But I, too, do not believe that a cat or any animal is evil. Those are traits that, in my humble opinion, should be reserved for the human species and sparingly at that.

Bless you for trying your best w/Ally and for having the guts to stick it out this long. Whatever you decide, we're w/ya. :)

Lizzie

01-21-2008, 02:52 PM

I agree with Barbara about the wording of the reading being such that I would set it aside, it really made me very uncomfortable also.

However, I don't agree with taking Ally to a shelter. Jennie has already tried every rescue that might understand Ally, ones where they might give her a chance, with no luck whatsoever. Taking her to a shelter would result in Ally's death the same day she was dropped off and in the hands of strangers. Not only that, but considering Ally's propensity for biting hard, she would need to be held down very hard by more than one person and they'd probably have to do an intracardiac or perineal injection because they wouldn't be able to get to a vein. This would be like a punishment to Ally for being a "bad cat". If Jennie does have to have Ally euthanized, she will make sure it is the gentlest experience possible for a cat that poses serious health risks for any human who comes near her.

There are some funds left for Ally to have a vet visit, I believe from what Jennie has said. Prozac is not expensive if you go to the right place. I get mine for Taranis from Costco and a two month supply costs me about $16.

catlover4ever

01-21-2008, 03:04 PM

I am so sad to read about Ally's reading and all I can do is to send you my thoughts and prayers that you find peace in whatever decision you feel is best for Ally. (((HUGS)))

Laura's Babies

01-21-2008, 03:25 PM

Me too, I hope you can find peace in whatever you do....

I sure was hoping for better than that though. She helped me so much with Boo that I was keeping my fingers crossed for at least half that much for Ally.

cassiesmom

01-21-2008, 03:28 PM

There are some funds left for Ally to have a vet visit, I believe from what Jennie has said.
If further funds should be needed, please say the word. That would rule out any medical problem as the root cause of the behavior.

I am so sad to read about Ally's reading and all I can do is to send you my thoughts and prayers that you find peace in whatever decision you feel is best for Ally. I agree 1,000%.

I also agree with Karen's hope that Ally might do better in a home where she's an only kitty, and on the thought that she would consider a second "reading" opinion - again, if funds are needed, please holler. I hope there is some correctable problem that can be identified that will allow Ally to be content in a home for the rest of her life.

jenluckenbach

01-21-2008, 04:12 PM

Barbara has a VERY good point. "EVIL" is a human trait and it is being placed on an animal.

But I am not as optomistic as Karen, because the thought of attempting to place Ally into a home (by herself, with no other cats, even with experienced people) you are setting a ticking time bomb. SOMEONE is going to get hurt!

My best suggestion:

Get her into the vet. TELL them to handle her like a feral! EMPHASIZE that she bites without waning or cause! Then......have her examined for ANY possible problem causing her pain. Talk about using Prozac (and insist that you want the Prozac NOT the amitriptylin). ASK if putting her to sleep would be the best option! And go from there.

I think I can safely assume that many people, from this thread alone, will donate in order to get the vet tests needed to help Ally.

carole

01-21-2008, 04:24 PM

Oh my gosh i can only imagine the turmoil going on in your head after reading that reading and the responses here, i really feel for you, regardless of what anyone has said including Nancy only YOU and YOU alone can make the call,you are the one living with Ally and sadly you will have to make this decision ,and it is going to be the hardest thing in the world to do.

Personally i am not into believing readings at all, and i would not base my decision on that,as people pointed out some of the things said to me anyhow are outrageous,about Ally being evil, come on,they don't have a conscience like you and I do,to me that is insane to suggest such a thing. I am totally in agreement with Barbara and yes would have used exactly the same words.

I think alot of people would have put Ally to sleep a long time ago.,but i am not saying that is the right thing to do, i cannot believe any cat could have that much hatred and anger that it is better off dead,sorry but to me that is just crazy statements made by the reader.

I hope you can find the strength in you to explore every possible solution, be it prozac, amitrip, whatever will work for Ally,i think knowing what i read about you, you could not live with yourself until you have, and by goodness you have already done so much, no-one would ever judge you,and all i can wish is for inner peace for you in whatever you decide to do . HUGS.

catmandu

01-21-2008, 04:31 PM

I Agree, In That Stary Cats And Dogs Are In No Way Evil. They Are Scraed And Have Learned In The Wild That If You Dont Strike First At An Enemy Then You Can Be Injured Or Killed.
And A Lot Of These Poor Animals Have Had Sad Experiences With People So They Dont Know Who To Trust.
We Are Praying For You And Ally.

phesina

01-21-2008, 04:45 PM

I will be glad to contribute to help Ally get another reading, a vet check, medications, or any other treatment that might help her or give her a little peace.

I seem to recall reading that early on when Ally was first with Julie she was sweet and loving and delightful. She did not come into this world "nasty nasty nasty" or full of "evil hatred."

I don't know what the best solution would be for her now. God bless you, Jenn, and everyone else here, for all you are doing for her and all the efforts to find ways that would truly help her.

gini

01-21-2008, 04:59 PM

This just breaks my heart for Jenn and for Ally.

I am not sure what vet appointments Ally has had since she has been in Jenn's care. But I am all for the idea and would be very glad to contribute to another thorough vet exam.

More than ever, Jenn needs our support here - we all contributed to Ally's travel to the U.S. - but ultimately Jenn has the full responsibility.

That said, I feel as though I should reserve my private opinion - since it is just that - my opinion - and does nothing directly for Ally or for Jenn at this point.

jenluckenbach

01-21-2008, 06:27 PM

Oh, I for one definitely support ANY decision on Jennie's part. I added my opinion (about a vet visit) because I think Jennie would feel better at least finding out if there was a medical reason for any of this. (and the story about the dog with the painful teeth REALLY got me wondering. )

slick

01-21-2008, 08:13 PM

I have been following this thread and I have to admit that I am shocked by Nancy's reading. I knew from this site that Ally has some "issues" but I never thought for a split second that it is this bad. It deeply saddens me that Nancy would say that putting Ally to sleep will bring her peace. Having said that, Nancy did a reading on my Max and it was dead on.

Sitting here miles and miles away, I can only go on instinct and my gut tells me to go with Jen L's suggestion for a vet visit. If it were me, I would want to make doubly sure that there is nothing sinister going on inside her...like having a brain scan done just to see if there is anything going on inside her head. Then, maybe you've had all that taken care of...or maybe the brain scan is just a stupid suggestion.

I feel so badly for all concerned and I stand here and applaud all of you for the love and care you've given this sweet girl. Yes, I say sweet girl......

Whatever decision you make has to be based on what is better for Ally....not the humans or other kitties. If she's really that angry and hates everyone and everything, then how can she enjoy life??? Will anything on this earth bring her contentment?

I support any decision you make Jenn.

Emeraldgreen

01-21-2008, 09:01 PM

I would like to add that I too would contribute towards either another reading or a vet visit or both. Having these things done wouldn't do any harm and maybe, it might result in some kind of resolution which would be such a blessing. Perhaps having her examined from head to toe under some sedation would provide some information otherwise unknown.
My husband and I are moving soon and we are hoping to find another home with acreage. Part of me wonders if I couldn't somehow make a space for her, with her own little outbuilding with heat and a large enclosed run where she wouldn't have to deal with other cats. My other cats have a super big outdoor run right now (70 feet by 20 feet) and they seem to really like it. But making her travel again might set her back even further and who knows what my husband would think about this idea! I don't think he'd be keen on it but I might be able to talk him into it. But if there is even a possibility that I could do it, it wouldn't be for months because we're listing our place this Friday. It would also depend on if we found another place that has acreage or not.
And of course, it may not be something that Jenn feels is right for Ally. It just breaks my heart thinking of this poor soul, feeling so angry/upset and not being able to find a way to be any different.
Jenn, does Ally come at you (in attack mode) when you just walk in the room sometimes or is it usually related to when you are about to touch her or move her? Does eye contact set her off? I'm just trying to get a better idea of how she is.
Anyway, in the meantime, I hope the Clomicalm will make a dent and get her to the next point whatever that might be. My thoughts are with you Jenn.

AbbyMom

01-21-2008, 09:09 PM

Get her into the vet. TELL them to handle her like a feral! EMPHASIZE that she bites without waning or cause! Then......have her examined for ANY possible problem causing her pain.

I think I can safely assume that many people, from this thread alone, will donate in order to get the vet tests needed to help Ally.

The first week I started volunteering at the adoption center, there was a cat that scared me a lot. Took leather gloves to get her back in the cage. I almost quit.

Please note: She wasn't vicious 100% of the time, but was unpredictable. Sound familiar?

A SAINT of a man adopted her. Six months later he stopped by and told me what her problem was. She had a severe gum infection with exposed roots in her mouth. (Vet "missed" it.)

When she got bumped or thought she was getting bumped, she got vicious.

That poor cat was in severe pain constantly. Once she was healed, she was a normal house cat that simply hated other cats.

For your own peace of mind, have Ally checked thoroughly. We will help with $.

Then, you will know that you did everything possible for her. This is important for both you and Ally.

jazzcat

01-21-2008, 09:19 PM

Wowza, what a rough reading. I don't put much into that myself but I know a lot of you on here do.

I do think the vet check would be a good idea before any major decisions are made.

Jenn, again I want you to know I support your decision 100%.

Catty1

01-21-2008, 10:06 PM

Jenn...read Abbymom's thread...I will chip in too.

Okay, maybe Ally got bent out of shape by Connor...but she might be in some real pain from something simple.

Please give her that chance...it would be awful to have her PTS and find out there was some very treatable cause for her black moods.

HUGS!

jennielynn1970

01-21-2008, 10:22 PM

Hey guys.. I'm going to take her to a different vet than the one I had taken her to previously. She had been checked out back in July when I became really concerned. I wanted to make sure she she didn't have any diseases, cause I couldn't read all the records from the Arabic vet. You never know what they can come in contact with.

There is still about $350 bucks in the bank in her account, so don't bring out your checkbooks right now.

I'll let you know when I get her into another vet and see what they say. I'll aim for next week since this week is hectic.

Catty1

01-21-2008, 10:38 PM

PT Prayers for you and for Ally!

Would be nice if you can find a vet who reads Arabic - or a staff member does.

Hey, Jenn...here is a REALLY crazy idea...IF she is total evil (which I don't think so, as she was a sweet kitty for a few years), is there a pet exorcist?

I'm not kidding. Never heard of one, but haven't looked...

HUGS!

ETA: Don't bother searching...just kookoos out there...but seriously, a prayer circle. Laying on of hands...well...maybe not yet. Just thinking of a spiritual angle for Ally.

Lizzie

01-21-2008, 10:49 PM

Very, very glad you are taking her to a vet. You will probably have to Ace her first, I know I would! As someone else said, mouth problems can cause enormous changes in behavior. Several cats that were considered feral at the shelter where I work were found to have severe dental disease. Once that was resolved, they became lap cats. We will all be hoping that there is an underlying medical cause that has made her behavior so extreme. I don't think she'll ever be a lap cat, though. ;)

krazyaboutkatz

01-22-2008, 12:23 AM

Jen, Nancy's reading sure was hard to read.:( I'm glad to hear that you'll be taking Ally to another vet to get her thoroughly checked out. Hopefully he'll find that she has something that can be easily treated and that this is causing her to act out. If not I hope that prozac will help her. I support whatever decision you end up making for her. I'm so glad that you're giving her a another chance. I'll continue to keep you both in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

kt_luvs_kitties

01-22-2008, 12:56 AM

I like Nancy... I think she is very good.. BUT I just wanted to add...

I had a reading from her about one of my "vicious kitties"... I was told the same thing, never going to change, evil, no way she will change, put her to sleep.
I opted not too, and within 3 months of the reading, well, my cat is happy, healthy and COMPLETELY the sweetest cat on the planet. While I do believe that Nancy has great insight into animals AND their feelings, I just want to point out, that sometimes, they can be wrong.... In this case, she was....

Emeraldgreen

01-22-2008, 01:20 PM

carole

01-22-2008, 01:37 PM

I agree with emeraldgreen,i think your post is extremely valuable, and i am glad you stopped by to post this,i personally have little faith in this type of thing, however i respect that others firmly believe in it,but it just goes to show how wrong they can be, taking her to the vet is indeed a wise choice on your part, i wish you well and all the best of luck with the visit, let us hope there is a positive outcome to it all.

shais_mom

01-22-2008, 01:40 PM

I too am glad that Katie wrote that -
I have used Nancy and found her amazing.
All the finger pointing at her being a fraud was starting to leave a really bad taste in my mouth for PT
And I don't ever remember Ally being a happy go lucky cat.
But I can't find posts of Julie's back that far...

Kirsten

01-22-2008, 01:42 PM

I'm also glad to read this, maybe there's still hope that Ally will find a way out of her own personal hell...

Hope the other new vet has some new ideas how to help her.

Jenn, I'm glad you're not giving up on her!

Kirsten

carole

01-22-2008, 01:49 PM

Staci i guess even the best can be wrong at times, I don't think anyone would put an animal to sleep based on a reading anyhow.

On reading the pet of the day article by Julie, it sounds as though Ally was a completely different cat back then, i certainly could not believe she was writing about the same cat,so maybe introducing connor did have an effect, but you would not think it would be so drastic would you? it is indeed puzzling as to why a cat would be so aggressive, so i think the vet check will indeed be a good idea for sure.

Medusa

01-22-2008, 01:54 PM

All the finger pointing at her being a fraud was starting to leave a really bad taste in my mouth for PT
I think she wasn't being called a fraud; I think most of us agree that her choice of words was unfortunate. Nancy's provided a wonderful service to a lot of PTers.

Kirsten

01-22-2008, 02:27 PM

On reading the pet of the day article by Julie, it sounds as though Ally was a completely different cat back then, i certainly could not believe she was writing about the same cat,so maybe introducing connor did have an effect, but you would not think it would be so drastic would you?

Well, yes, but I also found some posts by her saying that Ally was acting aggressive; obviously she bit Julie several times, and in one post, in which she reported that Ally bit her mother-in-law, she considered putting Ally to sleep. She was worried about Cali, too, with a cat like that around. But I'm not sure if all this happened after Connor moved in; maybe Ally was really happier as a single cat... :(

Kirsten

ChrisH

01-22-2008, 03:32 PM

In regard to when Ally began biting, this is a post from 18th of August 2004

Thank's everyone for their concern, PM's etc - it really means a lot to me!!

I have a doctor's appointment later this morning, so I'll let you know how that goes. Just some background:

- Ally HAS bitten me before - and BADLY. The first time I posted about it was in response to Lisa's thread when Mr Magoo bit her so badly.
- She only started to bite me after Connor came into the house - of course he has now been here for 10 months, so I was hoping she would have settled down a bit by now.
- when she does bite it is totally RANDOM - this one happened whilst I was dishing up supper in the kitchen, the one before was whilst we were relaxing watching TV - one minute she is normal then she goes crazy! I can't connect it to any particular event, and I do avoid excessive excitement / aggressive play with her
-my tetnus is up to date - I checked when I started helping with trapping for the shelter, and I'm still covered from my last jab
- we OFTEN have visitors in the house - very often with several young noisy children, so I can't really see a connection with visitors resulting in her getting upset. She has always had people in and out of the house. My In-Laws are quiet, and my MIL spoils Ally quite a bit - they have "naptime"every day, as my MIL loves Ally to bits, having met her when she was a kitten, so I can't imagine their being here would cause this.
- the vet prescribed an anti-anxiety medication for Ally, but she is the worst cat in the world to pill. The stress level was higher after a couple of days on the meds, as Ally would freak out every time I took a step towards her, thinking another pill was coming, so that just made matters worse.
- I would gladly pay for a cat therapist, but we don't have any on the island
- the vet has suggested hormone injections - but I can't find much info on the web, and I don't know when the long-term side effects are

Another frustration is that all the books I have talk about agression, and the web sites too, but they describe the problem without offering any suggestions as to how to resolve it.

I think that, as some of you have said, the BIG hurt is at an emotional level - Ally is so close to my heart, and I am devastated when she does this! It also erodes the trust I have with her, so for weeks after I will be mentally checking where she is, to make sure I don't turn my back on her.

This morning she is once again as sweet as sugar! I'll let you know how the Doctor goes!

Thanks again to everyone for caring - it really makes this easier to deal with.

I've found a whole lot of posts about Ally, from before Connor arrived and after, and I have to say that I believe something, or rather a series of things/events happened to make Ally the way she is today.

I will try to sort them into links, beginning with the earliest, and post so you can make up your own mind.

Killearn Kitties

01-22-2008, 03:40 PM

Well, yes, but I also found some posts by her saying that Ally was acting aggressive; obviously she bit Julie several times, and in one post, in which she reported that Ally bit her mother-in-law, she considered putting Ally to sleep. She was worried about Cali, too, with a cat like that around. But I'm not sure if all this happened after Connor moved in; maybe Ally was really happier as a single cat... :(
Yes Kirsten, all those things happened after Julie introduced Connor to the household. I remember her thinking, early on, that Connor's deafness was part of the problem; he could not hear Ally growling and back off.

If Julie had concerns about Ally prior to Connor's arrival, I don't think she voiced them. Really though, I think everything was fine before Connor arrived.

ChrisH

01-22-2008, 04:03 PM

She hasn't always been bad for sure.

July 10th 2003 Ally the Hunter (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=30627)
Aug 10th 2003 Ally helping Meowmie (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=32031)
August 30th 2003 Settling in slowly - but does not like kids (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=33342)
September 9th 2003 Finally - pics of Ally in the new house (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=33927)
October 14th 2003 Look how she has grown! (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=35870)
October 18th 2003 Ally in the kitchen (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=36096)

carole

01-22-2008, 04:11 PM

Nice to read some more positive threads about Ally, but it is confusing, i wonder what has made this kitty like she is,something really bad must have happened to her you would think,anyhow after reading those it does sound like there is some hope for Ally, she is so pretty, she is marked very similar to little Zara whom i had spayed and sadly got killed a week later.

Sending good vibes from my sweet kitties to dear Ally,hoping with all my heart that Ally learns to love and be loved .

shais_mom

01-22-2008, 04:16 PM

I'm glad that someone was able to find positive past posts on Ally, I honestly do not remember her being a 'nice' cat.
People can say I wouldn't do this and I wouldn't do that, but until I walk in somone else's shoes, I really don't know what I would do. Jenn has put up with far more than I ever would have. I would hope that a person wouldn't have put her to sleep upon a communication either. But the simple fact is - she isn't in YOUR home or MY home. She is in Jenn's home and causing quite the ruckus apparently. Jenn and the safety (physical) of her animals is at stake.
until you experience a reading yourself with your own animals - you can't appreciate it.
She told me things I was amazed with and when I had a follow up and Angus came in I was floored. She didn't know that I knew Anna.
It just seemed as tho people were pointing fingers at someone who can't defend herself on this board. Nancy has helped thousands of people believe what you will.
That said I still stand by my opinion that she should have never been subjected to this being flown here to begin with. With her issues she has I'm sure the plane trip was pure torture for her.
Jenn has way more patience than I do b/c I wouldn't have tolerated it this long.

ChrisH

01-22-2008, 04:32 PM

The first bite.
Connor - Day 2 (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=36483)
They did seem to eventually get along, sort of, for a while anyway.
Together (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=36822)
This morning-new pics (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=36896)
Then this
Ally is hurt (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=39368)
Back to a kind of harmony.
Pics and Videos (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=50309&highlight=Ally)
The pictures have been removed but a positive report on how they were getting along.
Update - Ally and Connor (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=46459&highlight=Ally)

ChrisH

01-22-2008, 05:06 PM

People can say I wouldn't do this and I wouldn't do that, but until I walk in somone else's shoes, I really don't know what I would do. Jenn has put up with far more than I ever would have. I would hope that a person wouldn't have put her to sleep upon a communication either. But the simple fact is - she isn't in YOUR home or MY home. She is in Jenn's home and causing quite the ruckus apparently. Jenn and the safety (physical) of her animals is at stake.

That said I still stand by my opinion that she should have never been subjected to this being flown here to begin with. With her issues she has I'm sure the plane trip was pure torture for her.
Jenn has way more patience than I do b/c I wouldn't have tolerated it this long.
I totally agree with all you the above. I just want to say there is/was no criticism intended in my posting of those old threads. I fully support any decision that Jenn may make, she is an angel in doing all she has done for Ally.

Until you experience a reading yourself with your own animals - you can't appreciate it.
She told me things I was amazed with and when I had a follow up and Angus came in I was floored. She didn't know that I knew Anna.
It just seemed as tho people were pointing fingers at someone who can't defend herself on this board. Nancy has helped thousands of people believe what you will.
No criticism intended for Nancy either, as you say I haven't had a reading done on any of my pets and I have read the threads posted where she has been spot on and helped enormously. All I will say is that no-one is infallible and in this instance I think she is wrong about Ally being born 'bad'.

carole

01-22-2008, 07:18 PM

I wish to clarify also, that i support whatever decision is made, i too probably would have given up long ago with Ally, i can only admire someone with the strength that jen has to continue on with her,so please none of my posts are mean't to be critical either, it is pretty obvious to me that Jen would not put ally to sleep on the bases of the reading anyhow,she certainly would not have gone this far with her if that were the case.

Staci i have never had a reading, nor would i ever, but even so that does not mean that i don't appreciate what you are saying,there certainly are people out there who are truely gifted in that sense, and from what you say Nancy is, i just found her words extremely harsh, and unrealistic to me, no offense mean't to anyone,that is just how i saw it.

Anyhow putting all that aside,let us hope and pray Ally can make a turn around and be a happy kitty after all. :)

Catty1

01-22-2008, 07:49 PM

Jenn and all - I wonder what Nancy would think of those BEFORE links?

That one of how Ally has grown - to see that sweet little kitten - and all the pics of Ally being just so beautiful...it is nothing short of tragic that she is like she is - although, as Jenn points out, she rolls around and meows for lovin's!

I pray for the vet to be wise and insightful...and that some treatable reason is found for her misery and viciousness.
HUGS!

ETA: found an interesting link (from 2000 unfortunately) on the BCC - Bahrain Cat Club. I can't find if it still exists, but there is an email address there. Ally is certainly unique in her colouring!

http://www.internationalspecialreports.com/middleeast/00/bahrain/21.html

shais_mom

01-22-2008, 08:05 PM

carole

01-22-2008, 08:37 PM

Staci i would certainly hope she takes her abililty seriously and would not use such words lightly, but for me i just don't believe any animal is capable of being evil, there has to be a reason for her behaviour and i would be looking elsewhere than readings.,now that is purely my opinion. :)

Barbara

01-23-2008, 07:03 AM

This is directly from Nancy:
.......

i remember ally as being nasty nasty nasty. she is one of the nastiest cats i have ever read. she feels exactly the same and no better.

she has a very deep rooted anger. i am not sure if she came this way into the world (it feels like she has) or if this has developed over time(i feel she came this way).

.......
i feel as though she hates everyone. an evil hatred. as i told you before i would not have this cat in my house. she is poison to your other animals and to you and the energy in the house.

.... this is a cat that would be better off put to sleep.

.......
she is not adoptable. she is angry, unhappy and vicious. she is not workable.

.

I am going back to the text.
And I read the words "nasty" "evil hatred" and "vicious". They are attributed to Ally and it is said and repeated that the author feels she came in the world this way.

How many of you would believe that a baby - whether cats or humans- came in the world evil and vicious?
Certainly not me.
And certainly noone with a Christian belief as Jesus said that the children were innocent.

To go away from this belief means going in the directions of "Rosemary's baby".

I have read many posts here in which whenever someone posted news out of a newspaper or magazine that a dog was aggressive and hurting people, everyone complained about the irresponsible owners. In these cases I always agreed because I am convinced that while some dogs may be just too strong for their own good, untrained and abused, they were born as little innocent puppies.

Why should we go away from this firm belief in the case of Ally.

Thankyou Chris for collecting all the early posts. I too remember very well that Ally started the aggressive behavior after Connor came in. There are kitties- we all know that- who need to be an only cat and I am convinced Ally would be one of them. She started to get traumatized then and now she is completely mixed up- that is obvious for me.

I know that for her to survive I saint would have to step in (and a single saint as far as other cats are concerned)- but I still will not give up hope for her.

Medusa

01-23-2008, 07:28 AM

After reading the above words again, I see that Nancy said that Ally's hatred is evil, she didn't say that Ally is evil. Coming in to the world that way, uh, not bloody likely unless she has a disease or disorder of some type and another vet opinion would be in good order.

Russian Blue

01-23-2008, 12:09 PM

Just sent you a PM Jenn.

carole

01-23-2008, 04:16 PM

After reading that post again of nancy's reading, just makes my blood boil to be honest,saying "she is poison to your other animals and to you and the energy in the house",wow that cat sure is one powerful little kitty, need i say anymore,Grrr...is all i can say.

let us hope we here some good news from the vet, I don't want her to be sick either ,but if it explains her behaviour and can be helped then i guess it would be a blessing in disguise.

loveallfurryfriends

01-23-2008, 06:21 PM

All I can do is try and send some positive vibes your way. What you are doing for Ally is more than most would. I am praying that everything will work out for you & Ally.

carole

01-23-2008, 06:26 PM

Agreed, sending a ton of positive vibes from down under your way. :)

phesina

01-23-2008, 06:39 PM

Prayers and positive vibes and healing, calming energies are coming from us too to Jenn and Ally Cat.

Love, purrs, and hugs,
Peony, Sydney, Poppy, Elmer, Pat, and Priscilla Angel

ramanth

01-23-2008, 09:36 PM

The thing with Nancy is that she uses terms that you would and can understand. She's not calling Ally evil, but the anger inside of her is to that great of a degree.

If someone was absolutely furious would you simply describe them as 'mad'?

When reading a pet, I don't think the pet speaks with words but with emotions and pictures. That leaves Nancy to translate it and describe it to the best of her ability.

And yes, I believe in positive and negative energies. If there is a strong negative presence in a household, it affects everyone and everything around them. Yes, it can be just like poison. Kelly's Noah thread ring a bell?

That said, I support Jenn in whatever she decides.

*HUGS*

Catty1

01-23-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by ramanth:
Kelly's Noah thread ring a bell?

Yes...and Noah had a complete turn-around at the 'spa' where he was boarded! :)

shais_mom

01-23-2008, 11:28 PM

shais_mom

01-23-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by ramanth:

Yes...and Noah had a complete turn-around at the 'spa' where he was boarded! :)
for now -
but Noah has some change coming in his future. I HOPE he is able to accept that as well as he has Balcolm.

Pawsitive Thinking

01-24-2008, 06:50 AM

If only they could talk........ :rolleyes:

ramanth

01-24-2008, 10:13 AM

shais_mom

01-24-2008, 10:19 AM

I didn't specifically mean Noah as much as I meant Kelly's family. Any negative energy be it from animal or human can have a negative effect. People acknowledge that in Kelly's thread but seem to dismiss it in this.
exactly Kimmy.
and I also have to wonder if those that are not in favor of humanely euthanasing a tortured soul would be so quick to come to the aid of a dog that has bit this many people. I have my doubts. When people see the same look in Ally's eyes that they see in abused dogs they are humanely put to sleep.
I wish Ally the utmost peace but I am not entirely convinced she is going to find it on this earthly plane.
She was left alone for long periods of time with someone coming in to feed her - we don't know what happened to her while she was left to her own vices. And if she was abused while left alone - it is possible that she may be so angry b/c her 'mommy' didn't come and 'save' her that she has lost all faith in the human race.

carole

01-24-2008, 12:03 PM

Staci you do indeed have a point, but i guess the damage a dog can do is more life threatening than a cat,although having been at the end of a cat bite, i sure know how painful they can be,but having seen the damage a dog can cause, there is somewhat of a difference, i suppose that is why dogs are put to sleep and people want it enforced .

I just find it incredible to believe animals can communicate with this woman,since they cannot talk, i guess as you put it believe what you want. :)

I personally do not believe Ally is a tortured soul,just a kitty who has perhaps been treated bad by some human in her life,some kitties get over it i guess and other's don't,and as you said who know's what happened when she was left to fend for herself,it could be darker than any of us imagine.

Again positive vibes being sent to Ally and Jenn,does anyone know when she is off to the vet I wonder?

shais_mom

01-24-2008, 01:15 PM

I will believe it b/c I've talked with her regarding my Kylie. And I've corresponded with a few others regarding other animals in my life. I'm sorry carole but adding a :) at the end doesn't take the bite out of your words.
Yes dogs do more damage. Dogs kill people on occasion. Cat bites have more of a chance of getting infected than other bites that is what makes them dangerous.
If Ally were a dog she wouldn't have been alive long enough to fly here.
I do believe that Ally is a tortured soul. I don't know if anything on this earth that could make her happy, I hope that I'm proven wrong.
I still support Jenn in whatever her decision b/c she was the only one willing to put up with her when the time asked. And Ally is in her home not yours (plural) or mine..

carole

01-24-2008, 02:09 PM

Staci i am not sure as to which words you feel had a bite to them, sorry if you feel that way, it is not mean't personally at you , but i feel just as strongly as you do,maybe she is a tortured soul, i really don't know,none of us do and neither does Nancy in my opinion, you are a believer and i am not,on that we differ,that aside, i agree with you entirely,Ally is not in my home or your's and i would understand any decision Jenn made as long as it was not purely based on this reading, and i for one don't think Jenn would even considerate that and that alone, she has seen Ally in action, know's the kitty in and out and she is the only one capable and who has the right to make the decision.

I guess we should agree to disagree on the reading,i do respect you as a person you know that.,and i sincerely apologise if i have upset you in anyway,and anyone else,it is far from my intention.

Sometimes i feel poor Ally needs other's in her corner, fighting for her existence,as she has so much going against her,one does become very emotional just thinking about her.

I will endeavour to leave it alone from now on in this thread, perhaps in hindsight i should have bitten my tongue and not voiced my opinions so strongly,and just continue sending positive vibes for Ally and Jenn, like you i only want what is best for the two of them.

nepeta

01-24-2008, 02:46 PM

At this point, all we know are the outward signs -- the aggression, the unprovoked biting, the screaming. These signs are consistent with either a physical problem causing her pain, or an emotional problem None of us can tell. And it could be a physical problem at the root, that has been complicated by other events (Connor's arrival, the long period of isolation, the flight over here, Jenn's other cats, maybe even something like the different sun angles and different light intensity compared to Bahrain).

It's possible something happened to her right about the time that Connor arrived, and he might really have nothing to do with her problems. Just to throw out some examples (without implying that any of these might be real), she might have been stung by a scorpion (or bitten by an insect carrying disease, or snake), and the venom might have caused a problem, she might have had a stroke, or maybe she gets a cat-equivalent of migraines, or any of many other possible conditions -- some of which could easily have been missed in a routine vet exam.

emily_the_spoiled

01-24-2008, 03:14 PM

Well I have Connor and based on how he interacts with the rest of my gang, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he had something to do with the way Ally is right now :rolleyes:

Emeraldgreen

01-24-2008, 08:08 PM

Jenn, I just ordered 1,000 chicken flavoured capsules to try and get some holistic meds into Tiger to help him get healthier. Krazyaboutkatz recommended that I give them a try because I'm having trouble getting the meds in him. I certainly don't need 1,000 (that is the minimum order) so I was thinking of sending you 150 in hopes that Ally might think they're tasty and hopefully you can hide the Clomicalm in them or anything else that might help her. Just let me know. I should get them in about a weeks time.

carole

01-25-2008, 03:39 AM

Gosh that is really interesting what you have to say about Connor,is he a pretty mean kitty to the others,sounds like he certainly has had some influence on how Ally has turned out, I think your input would be of great value here right now.

emily_the_spoiled

01-25-2008, 07:42 AM

Connor is not mean per se, but he likes to be "top cat". Unfortunately he is very large, so he can get quite physical with the other cats. But I could see how he and Ally could have problems (Lbaker and I picked Ally up from the airport and took her to meet Jenn so I know what she is like.)

mruffruff

01-30-2008, 12:59 PM

I ran across this website and immediately thought of Ally. Sounds like where she would be happy.

www.homeforlife.org

I was reading about a cat that is there named Mufasa. Sounded a lot like Ally. I know it's a long ways away, but is it a possibility? Maybe?

carole

01-30-2008, 01:25 PM

Gosh that place sounds ideal for Ally, i am sure even though it is a long way away, transport could be arranged, i mean we have seen kitties come from england to the states,so for PT it should not be a problem, i hope Jenn is still reading this, what an awesome place and good find, fingers and paws crossed Ally is able to go there. :)

Catty1

01-30-2008, 11:29 PM

I sent Home For Life a very general inquiry, as I didn't see any reference to animals with behaviour issues on their website. Just want to see what they DO deal with before going further(with Jenn's ok, of course)..

I am sure we could arrange a transport if it came to that.

ETA - Jenn, I know you have been puppy-busy! and working...I don't know how you managed to squeeze Ally's vet appt in there, if you did. IF you did, any news?

Prayers for you and Ally.

Catty1

01-31-2008, 02:38 AM

Sounds like Ally's kind of place?

I wrote:
Hi - my name is Candace and I have been a member of catoftheday.com Pet Talk since 2004.

I was visiting your website and didn't see reference to any behaviour type issues.

Before I go further or provide details, I just want an idea of what personality/behaviour situations your rescue takes on.

Bless you all for the work you do!

regards,
Candace Carnie
(on Pet Talk as Catty1...hey, if the shoe fits....;-D )

And they replied:

Home For Life <[email protected]>
23:56 (1½ hours ago)
to Candace Carnie <email addy>
date 30 Jan 2008 23:56

subject Re: Hello - wondering what kind of animal disabilities you deal with

separation anxiety, inaappropriate wetting, fear agression
are some examples thanks

jennielynn1970

01-31-2008, 10:53 AM

At the moment she is at the vet who is a friend of my mom and dad. They took her with them on Sunday when they came down. The vet said he'd keep her there for observation and run some blood work etc... Haven't heard from him yet. Will let you know when I do, so be patient please. I've been super busy and don't have a lot of time to post and also am just plain busy when I am home and don't talk on the phone very much (even with my parents, i know... bad daughter).

Kirsten

01-31-2008, 11:35 AM

I'm glad to read that Ally is looked after by the vet right now. Imagine there would be a medical condition for her behavior, something like thyroid problems maybe? Something treatable? That would be too good to be true.

Kirsten

jenluckenbach

01-31-2008, 05:15 PM

I will be very interested to hear if they find anything.

Catty1

01-31-2008, 09:01 PM

{{{{HUGS}}}} - from what I read about Woody, you have your hands VERY full!

I PRAY that Ally has something treatable, teeth, whatever. The vet sounds as if he knows what kind of personality he is dealing with!

As for Home for Life - the email response I got was very brief; I think the writer forgot a comma. As in "...fear, aggression..." NOT "...fear aggression..."

I think of the pics of Ally in her good days...and her as a kitten! How CUTE is that!

BIG TIME PT PRAYERS....bless you, Jenn!

ETA: I am on Best Friends email list, and got their latest today. It might seem OT for Ally's thread, but it's the first entry of a blog that a vet there is writing.

He is working specifically with PTSD on the "Vicktory" dogs, and though today's isn't really detailed, there was a bit in there that reminded me of Ally. Might be worth bookmarking the link and checking if the 'reclaiming' process is of interest to you.

http://blogs.bestfriends.org/blogs/bestfriends/archive/2008/01/29/do-dogs-have-post-traumatic-stress-disorder.aspx

pitc9

02-02-2008, 07:58 AM

Have you heard anything from the vet?

Emeraldgreen

02-06-2008, 12:38 PM

Jenn, I'm not sure if you saw my earlier post a week or so ago in this thread about chicken flavoured capsules and my offer to send some for Ally but I just received them yesterday and they are not what I thought. They are clear gel capsules and I tried them out on two of my cats and they won't go near them. I had thought that they would be like Pill Pockets, a kind of chew but they're totally different. So, I'm shipping them back as the only way I'd be able to get them down Tiger would be to force them which is what I'm trying to avoid doing.
I'm off to the pet store to get some Pill Pockets and hope to be able divide them up in halves to make them last longer. They are 8.99 for a pack of 35 here in Canada.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I won't have the caps to send to you because I'm returning them.
Maybe Pill Pockets would be appealing to Ally?

jennielynn1970

02-11-2008, 10:25 PM

Been asked by a few people about Ally, and wanted to post an update that I just wrote up for another PT member...

(Side note: My mom and dad were down here for dinner on a Sunday, and they offered to drop her off at the vet by them, where I had the appointment. I sent her in her large carrier, and with my "Ally" gloves so my dad could get put her back in her carrier from the large crate they had for her overnight).

Ally did go to another vet for a 2nd opinion, a vet up by my mom and dad. He kept her there for a few days, and then one of the vet techs offered to take her to her place and see she how she would act since there are no other animals there, no kids either. She was aggressive at the office, and while in the cage there, so I don't know what how she'll act with the tech, but I'm not holding my breath.

They did blood work, but didn't find anything come back as questionable. I didn't think she'd be happy being caged at the vet, and didn't think she'd act very happy while there. I was hoping they'd find something going on when they did the bloodwork, but they didn't. The vet didn't observe any lumps or anything either.

So far, haven't heard an update from the vet tech. I told them I'd go with their suggestion if they felt there was nothing else to be done, and no medical explanation for her aggressiveness. I'll check in with them later in the week to see how things are going with Ally and the tech since it's been a few weeks. I've been curious to see how she'd acclimate and behave if she was all by herself.

jennielynn1970

02-11-2008, 10:28 PM

PS.. Emeraldgreen... I have the rest of the Clomicalm here cause I couldn't see any change in her and I wanted the vet to observe her without any meds.

Do you want me to ship it back to you, or maybe I should offer it to someone else?

Emeraldgreen

02-12-2008, 12:03 AM

That's okay, if someone else needs them for their cat, please send it to them. I'd be happy if they could help another cat. Hope Ally finds a way to soften up a bit being an only cat at the tech's house. Might take a few weeks but who knows, maybe she'll change. Look forward to hearing how it went.

krazyaboutkatz

02-12-2008, 01:14 AM

Thanks for the update.:) I hope that Ally will do well at the vet tech's home. If she does will the vet tech be adopting her? Did the vet look at her teeth and gums to see if this was causing her any pain? Whatever you decide for her I'll be here for support.

Catty1

02-12-2008, 01:48 AM

I pray it works for her, being an only cat...it may take time but maybe that sweet Ally will come back again...

PT Prayers for Ally.

Bless you, Jenn. HUGS

jenluckenbach

02-12-2008, 05:22 AM

I sure hope this works. And I really hope the tech updates you! (I am so curious).

phesina

02-12-2008, 02:24 PM

Prayers for Ally and the tech.. that they find they a home with each other. I think it might take Ms. Ally a while to start to trust again.. I hope the tech will be very patient and give her the time and space she needs.

pitc9

02-12-2008, 02:28 PM

Paws crossed that Ally finally finds peace in serenity.

Karen

02-12-2008, 03:25 PM

I had hoped for a long time that Ally could find a place to be an "only cat" as she seemed happiest with her family before Connor came along. It is sad that cats don't come with warning labels, as Julie initially got Connor as a friend for Ally, thinking she'd like a companion, and Ally obviously DID NOT! But by then, of course, Julie had learned Connor was deaf and would be euthanized if "returned" ... and the rest, as they say, is history.

Emeraldgreen

02-23-2008, 12:01 PM

Any word on Miss Ally? Hopefully the tech has made some headway with her. :)

shais_mom

03-02-2008, 03:53 PM

was wondering if there was any news?? :p

jennielynn1970

03-02-2008, 06:49 PM

I've called and left messages... not updates yet. Not sure what that means... :confused:

Catty1

03-02-2008, 06:53 PM

That IS weird, Jenn...try telling them even if it's bad news, you want to know... :(

Poor Ally...praying for her....

Kirsten

03-09-2008, 08:06 AM

Any news meanwhile? I think it's odd that you don't hear from them, makes me worry...

Kirsten

Kirsten

03-23-2008, 01:11 PM

Still no news on her? :confused:

Kirsten

Barbara

03-23-2008, 04:49 PM

Thankyou Kirsten for asking.
I feel like we all have failed this kitty.

Scooter's Mom

03-23-2008, 05:44 PM

I feel like nobody has failed this kitty. Whatever is going on is really Jennie's business and if she wants us to know she will fill us in.

You should not judge until you've been in the shoes of the person being viciously attacked day in and day out. Have you taken in a kitty only to be viciously attacked repeatedly? Seriously enough to warrant visits to the ER and days off of work? And despite nearly a year of this, still wanting only what was best for the kitty?

My heart goes out to Ally Cat. However, no matter how big of a cat lover I am, I'd have never tolerated that behaviour after the 2nd attack... maybe 3rd. I would have had to find a different solution.

So please, everyone - don't gang up on Jennie. She has done EVERYTHING she possibly could for this kitty. You really just don't know what you'd do until you're in her shoes.

Cinder & Smoke

03-23-2008, 06:08 PM

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/confused.gif

By my count, it's been about 7 weeks since Ally Kat was entrusted to "The Vet"
near your parents' house; and then handed over to one of The Vet's Technicians.
After 7 weeks, I'd think good medical ethics would suggest some sort of a report
was due to the cat's owner. Maybe it's time to *insist* on hearing that report.

On January 31st >>>
At the moment she is at the vet who is a friend of my mom and dad.
The vet said he'd keep her there for observation and run some blood work etc ...

Posted February 11 >>>
Ally did go to another Vet for a 2nd opinion, a Vet up by my mom and dad.
He kept her there for a few days, and then one of the vet techs offered to take Ally
to her place and see she how she would act since there are no other animals there, no kids either.

They did blood work, but didn't find anything come back as questionable.
... The Vet didn't observe any lumps or anything either.

So far, haven't heard an update from the vet tech.

Posted March 2 (3 weeks ago) >>>
I've called and left messages ... not updates yet.
Not sure what that means ... http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/confused.gif

SEVEN weeks and counting ... http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/eek.gif
WHO did you call 3 weeks ago when you "left messages" ? The Vet Tech?
Maybe it's time to call the VET (during business hours) and explain that you
feel they should be communicating a status report on Ally.
Mention that you think SEVEN weeks is a long time to have heard nothing from them!

Be polite, but very FIRM. And insist on talking directly to The Vet - no "messages".
Good Luck!

/s/ Phred

lizbud

03-23-2008, 06:13 PM

I feel like nobody has failed this kitty. Whatever is going on is really Jennie's business and if she wants us to know she will fill us in.

I don't think it's critical to ask, or care what happens to Ally. It's also
natural to wonder how & where she is. I hope she is happy wherever she
is.

shais_mom

03-23-2008, 06:21 PM

Catty1

03-23-2008, 06:53 PM

I sense that part of the sentiment in Barbara's statement is a bit of despair - so many of us on PT bonded together to help Ally, and stuck with Jenn through difficulties with her...

With no news from the vet tech, it is sad to think that all our involvement, and Jenn's incredible patience and love, and knowing that Ally was once such a sweetie...Jenn saw this as the real Ally and would not give up - might be for naught.

At worst, Ally was loved for a long time, and I hope she knows that.

At best - I really pray Ally has found a real home and is learning to be loved all over again.

PT Prayers for Ally - and all blessings for Jenn.

carole

03-23-2008, 08:18 PM

I don't think for one moment barbara mean't this as a personal attack on Jenn at all, and i agree with the statement made by catty 1 that is more a statement of despair.

It Is only natural we are all wondering what has happened with Ally, I too am curious, and yes it is Jenn's business,but when you post a thread about it, of course you are going to get opinions,comments etc,and most of us here only ask with good intent. :)

Scooter's Mom

03-23-2008, 08:20 PM

I know we're only curious... but whatever it is, when Jennie finds out she'll let us know. I'm sure of it. She knows we're all concerned too.

I just don't want Jennie to feel like we're ganging up on her.

carole

03-23-2008, 08:43 PM

Yes i understand where you are coming from too, it could be taken that way, especially if you are feeling pretty emotional about it all, but i think Jenn will see it for what it is hopefully, just concern and worry about the situation. :)

jennielynn1970

03-23-2008, 10:27 PM

Sigh... this was not a happy easter. I decided that since I was going up to my mom and dad I would drive over to the vet tech's house first, since I wasn't getting any answers from her via phone, and it was still early in the day.

I talked to Amanda, the girl who took Ally in, and, long story short, she had Ally PTS about 2 weeks ago. I knew something was going on, and I kinda had a feeling it wasn't good.

She assured me she tried everything with her, and even though she was bitten by her (I warned her...), she still had held out hope that something would change. She said she had never encountered a cat quite like Ally, being so aggressive and attacking unprovoked, and she was as scared of her as I had been.

We talked for at least 2hrs, we were both in tears, because we both wanted what was best for Ally, and neither of us wanted to have her PTS. I feel like I let her down. I just don't know what else I could have done, except ship her to someone else (another PT'er maybe??) who wanted to care for her. I doubt anyone would have wanted that job. Maybe Barbara or Carole, I dunno. Maybe I should have asked them if they wanted to take her, or if anyone would have taken her. I really don't think that would have been the answer though. I don't think it would have done any good for Ally.

Amanda did have her cremated, and she did give me her ashes. She said she thought I'd want to give her a proper burial. So, now she is buried up at my mom and dad's farm, next to our family pets who passed away. It's a nice spot, with rose bushes and currant bushes and gooseberry bushes growing. It's been so soggy and wet here, I didn't have to worry about the digging her grave.

I've been trying to keep the thought in my heart that she is now at peace. No more being afraid of people and attacking them. No more wondering where her owner is. She is finally resting. I just hope that's true, for her sake.

I'm sorry Ally. I hope you'll forgive me for failing you, because that's how I really feel no matter what.

Grace

03-23-2008, 10:36 PM

Oh Jenn, you were never a failure. You tried longer than many would have - considering how Ally was.

She's at peace now; that's what is important. One day you will see her again.

Catty1

03-23-2008, 10:37 PM

Oh, Jenn....LES.

Sweetie...it seems clearer now more than ever that poor Ally was not happy, and never would be - that something tortured her.

Even as an only cat in a caring home with a vet tech...and it's not like Amanda gave up after two days.

Dear, dear Jenn...I hope that some day you will realize how much you did for that girl, more and so much more than anyone ever did or ever could have done.

There was nothing more you could have done...nothing more.

Ally - I feel you warm, relaxed, you KNOW you are safe and loved forever. Please visit dear Jenn - you now know how she loved you and what that love felt like. Please let her know you are okay, and living the best life you ever have.

And that your best life ever on earth was with Jenn, whose faith and love and commitment you had 150%.

Jenn - for what it is worth - the name "Amanda" means "worthy of being loved".

Ally - eternal love. She is there.

There are no words to thank you. I pray that you have peace in your heart some day.

{{{{hugs}}}}

Taz_Zoee

03-23-2008, 10:52 PM

Jennie, please do not beat yourself up over this. You did everything you could and it was out of your hands.
I know I can sit here and say this to you over and over again. I just hope you will someday know that it was the best thing and that Ally is now a happy kitty up there at the bridge.
She will always hold a special place in your heart.
HUGS to you!!!

AmberLee

03-23-2008, 11:45 PM

{{{JL}}} Although I hate to read that Ally is gone, I must admit that there is a sense of relief that her suffering is over. Rest in peace, little Ally and frolic at the Rainbow Bridge.

Karen

03-24-2008, 02:09 AM

I've moved this to Pet Memorial. Jennie, you and everyone else did everything we possibly could for Ally. Now she is at peace.

Kirsten

03-24-2008, 03:26 AM

I'm saddened to read that Ally is gone... I feared it might end this way, and yet I'm kind of relieved that Ally is at peace now. She was a tortured soul that probably would never have found any rest, not even as an only cat.

I'm sure, Amanda, the vet tech, did what she could and gave her all her love, and whatever it was that made Ally act full of hate towards others came now to rest, and gave her peace.

Jenn, please do not think you failed her, you did more for her than most people would have done. I'm sure she knew what you did for her, even if she couldn't show it. She may come back to you one day, and be the kitty she couldn't have been in her last life.

R.I.P., Ally, rest finally in peace.
You were loved by more people than you will ever know!

Kirsten

AbbyMom

03-24-2008, 07:02 AM

Thank you, Jenn, for giving your best to her and giving her every possible chance. Thanks also to the vet tech who took in a dangerous cat.

I'm sure she's at peace now.

RIP Ally.

Medusa

03-24-2008, 07:22 AM

When a friend lost his mother, another friend said to him "I'm sad for you and I'm happy for you". He explained that he, of course, he was sad that he no longer had his beloved mother with him but that he was also happy because his mother was at peace and so was my friend, who had taken care of her for many years. It was a rough road for both of them. And it was a rough road for you and Ally, Jenn. Not only did you not let Ally down, you gave her a chance that perhaps someone less patient and compassionate might not have. Try to see the situation as you and the vet tech being the persons who gave Ally a better life, both here and elsewhere. She couldn't continue the way she was; something had to change for her and, although it isn't the change you and all of us were hoping for, it was the change that she needed in order to find peace. Ease your mind, Jenn. Ally loves you and so do we.

jenluckenbach

03-24-2008, 07:39 AM

Never before has Rest In Peace meant quite as much as it does now.

Ally has not been at Peace for quite some time. :(

While it is true that she started out life as a happy kitten, even before she came to the USA, she was a tormented soul. For reasons unkown, she would inflict pain to her humans (Julie, Jennie, Amanda).

Julie tolerated Ally because she loved her. But I KNOW Julie feared for her baby, Calista. What if Ally bit HER?
Jennie tolerated her because of a very strong sense of obligation. Jennie went above and beyond the call of duty to keep Ally safe. But it became apparent that Ally would never rejoin her family. :(
Amanda, even though she had no reason to take this job, tolerated Ally for at least a month. God bless her for trying. It could not have been an easy decision to put Ally to sleep. But maybe she helped all of us involved with a very hard decision.

I was saddened to hear she was gone, but I am going to be 100% honest.....I was also relieved. And everyone involved should be proud that the attempt was made to keep Ally happy. But as life often reminds us, we don't always win.

Amen.

Freedom

03-24-2008, 09:07 AM

R.I.P., Ally, rest finally in peace.
You were loved by more people than you will ever know!

Jenn, please don't doubt yourself. You did so much and had so much support, prayers and input (Nancy Efrusy, vets, etc.) Ally was a unique one of a kind cat; as are all our kitties. We find it difficult to accept that we just couldn't reach her to help her the way WE wanted to. God had something else planned. Bless you for all the work you did with her.

Randi

03-24-2008, 09:41 AM

Jenn, you did everything you could - and more, to try to save Ally, and it's been a long and sad journey for her and for everyone involved. I'm so sorry. :(

Rest in peace, Ally!

momtomany

03-24-2008, 10:18 AM

Jenn

You did far and above for precious Ally and did not fail her by any means. All of us hoped that Ally would find peace and peace she has found.

krazyaboutkatz

03-24-2008, 11:51 AM

Jenn, I'm sorry that this happened:(but please don't blame yourself. You did so much more than most people would have done in this situation. Now Ally is finally at peace. RIP Ally.

pitc9

03-24-2008, 12:12 PM

Oh Jenn... you tried SO hard and you did everything you could. You should in NO way feel like you failed her. You gave her more of a chance than most people would have.

Just as someone else said... Rest in PEACE means so much more saying it for Ally. She IS at peace now Jenn and it's because you helped her find it.
{{hugs}}
She is now at peace with everything, herself included.

Rest easy now Ally, knowing that you are loved.

You will always be Pet Talks biggest mystery that we were unable to solve.

Run free sweet girl.
:(

rosethecopycat

03-24-2008, 12:30 PM

Hold your tail high now, no more fear.

Godspeed to the Bridge, Ally
You will meet those who cared so much for you again, and get to share the Love. One Fine Day.

catmandu

03-24-2008, 01:18 PM

ALLYS AT THE BRIDGE HELPING GIVE OUT THE WINGS OF SILVER AND GOLD TO ALL THE NEW ARRIVALS.
SHES LAREADY CHOSEN A RENDEZ VOUS, A FANTASTIC PLACE IN TASMANIA WHERE SHE AND HER FAMILY WILL BE TOGETHER AGAIN.
ONE FINE DAY. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

carole

03-24-2008, 01:59 PM

I am as sad as everyone else to read this post, but i also feared this would be the outcome,please don't ever think Jenn i think bad of you,I have the utmost respect for you and how long you tolerated such a difficult situation, there is no way i would have been able to do what you did, I have alway's supported everything you have said and done,you gave your heart and soul to the needs of Ally,everyone could see that,and i admire the strength and courage it took to do so, like everyone else i just hoped there would be a miracle for poor Ally.

She is at peace now, and i guess we will never know what made her like she was,very sad for you all, giant hugs to you Jenn also, this has been a traumatic experience for you too.

Cataholic

03-24-2008, 02:13 PM

My heart breaks for everyone involved, especially Ally. RIP, dear one.

jennielynn1970

03-24-2008, 02:35 PM

Just wanted to post some pics of Ally... I miss that little face :(

Ally's Cat of the Day pics from 2003
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jenn_librarian/14.jpg

Ally full face
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jenn_librarian/allynose.jpg

Ally investigating her first room and roommates
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jenn_librarian/Amberandally.jpg

Ally on the bookshelf, washing her paw
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jenn_librarian/Allywashingpaw.jpg

Ally next to my one Egyptian statue
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jenn_librarian/Allycloseup.jpg

She really was a tiny and dainty girl
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jenn_librarian/Ally1.jpg

Ally's pretty profile
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jenn_librarian/Allyandbookshelf.jpg

Felicia's Mom

03-24-2008, 03:11 PM

Ally, RIP and play hard at Rainbow Bridge!

phesina

03-24-2008, 06:32 PM

Oh, Jenn, I am so very sorry.

Rest in peace, dear Ally, and God bless you, dear Jenn and Amanda too.

Donnaj4962

03-24-2008, 06:37 PM

Oh Jenn, please know that none of us here would ever judge you harshly. We all know that you did all that you could for her. You did for her what many of the rest of us wanted to do for her. But you stepped up to the plate and showed her the love she needed, but couldn't give back. You tried your best, but poor Ally Cat was just not a happy girl. please don't beat yourself up over this.

Ally Cat, may you RIP at the RB.

God bless you Jenn and Amanda for giving it all that you could.

Bengalz

03-24-2008, 07:49 PM

Rest in Peace dear little Ally Cat :( I hope you find a happy place and feel safe now baby girl.

Jenn,

Your efforts to help Ally are to be commended. I don't know many who would take on such a responsibility. There is no reason in the world for you to feel that you have failed. Ally had problems, some of which may never have been resolved. She is in a better place.

Hugs, Betty

Emeraldgreen

03-24-2008, 08:05 PM

I'm so sorry to hear about Ally. :(
I hope that all her sadness and anger has been washed away and replaced with love, gentleness and peace. I pray that she now has a full understanding of how much Jenn and other people wanted to help her, something that she may not have known or understood while she was alive.
Right now I'm picturing her doing rollies on the grass in the warmth of the sunshine at Rainbow Bridge with other kitties, waiting for her humans when the time comes.

[IMG]http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/emeraldcreek/rainbowbridge4-1.jpg