Oh Great! ALL the "Donation to Roxyluvsme13" threads have been DELETED! [Archive]

Cinder & Smoke

07-29-2007, 12:35 PM

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/mad.gif

Who's behind the Mass Deletion of all the threads about Roxyluvsme13 (http://petoftheday.com/talk/member.php?u=13467) and
her Quest for Donations to fund her animals' health and well being?

I have my doubts that Mayor Karen "removed" them all -
she'd be more inclined to hang a padlock but leave the postings for reference.

I don't remember who started them all, but only the Starter and Karen can delete threads.

Once again, I register my dislike for this method of covering up what one or two
people don't like to see in writing. http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/mad.gif
A lot of Good People wrote very sincere and well thought out postings to those now missing threads.
Deleting Threads is NOT Cool! http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/mad.gif

As several folks pointed out in the most recently missing Rokyluvsme13 thread ~
Be Cautious who you offer your hard-earned donations to ...
those donated dollars are not always well spent. http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif

/s/ http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/mad.gif Phred

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 12:50 PM

I spent 10 minutes composing a rebuttle to her latest excuses to have the thread yanked out from under me, to me its just totally disrespectful. Her whole attitude is give me the money and shut up. I wanted the 90 dollar outfit, none of your damned business I "deserve" it.

critter crazy

07-29-2007, 12:52 PM

ugghhhhh...this is anoying!! why erase something just because people are voicing their opinions??:mad:

shais_mom

07-29-2007, 01:01 PM

ugghhhhh...this is anoying!! why erase something just because people are voicing their opinions??:mad:
b/c it wasn't what she wanted to hear -
She wanted to hear - oh sure we'd love to donate - AGAIN.
like the ATM ya know - I have more to say on this subject
but I have a feeling that THIS thread's going to be deleted so I'm not going to waste my time - PM me if your that interested. ;)
I was just given the suggestion by a smart person -
that maybe the thread should be put back up and padlocked - so that in a month and she's asking for money again - we can bring it back up...

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 01:02 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me. It is starting to feel like a scam and I feel like her Mom is talking her into preying on the sympathetic animal lovers of this board.

shais_mom

07-29-2007, 01:06 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me. It is starting to feel like a scam and I feel like her Mom is talking her into preying on the sympathetic animal lovers of this board.
I totally agree - b/c of her comment - My mom 'refused' to allow me to spent it on the animals - buy something for yourself she said - what about all the POTC stuff? - she threw a fit when her mom said she was going to get RID of the animals - why not throw a FIT for the same thing?
I know a lot of people think 'she's a child- leave her alone - its her mom's decision' but I think in this case - she knew full well what she was doing.

IRescue452

07-29-2007, 01:09 PM

I must have missed all this completely. And I'm glad I did.

Miss Z

07-29-2007, 01:10 PM

I'm sorry, but I don't see why there's a need for this thread. This would be better done by PM for those that wish to b*tch, in my own personal opinion.

Of course, I have been away from PT for the past week so I cannot comment on anything that has happened in that time, but whatever uproar has resurfaced itself in this very tiresome situation certainly does not need to be stewed over any more than necessary.

I really hope we can bury this arguement once and for all. :(

sasvermont

07-29-2007, 01:17 PM

I am one of those folks, completely in the dark. I missed all the posts about this hot topic. I am ok with that.

I'm going back to sleep now! :eek:

zippy-kat

07-29-2007, 01:27 PM

I'm sorry, but I don't see why there's a need for this thread. This would be better done by PM for those that wish to b*tch, in my own personal opinion.

Normally, I'd agree. But, in this instance, I believe there's much more to it than just "b*tching." People deserve to know the attitude(s) of the parties involved. More than that, they need to see the actions (or, lack thereof) taken by the one soliciting donations.

In this case, I believe that one of the helpers ended up pretty surprised by the actions of the solicitor. For that reason alone, I think the thread should've stayed. It speaks volumes.

Miss Z, I fully respect you and your opinions, but as you said, you've been gone for awhile and missed the thread(s) that this one pertains to. If you'd read those and/or if you'd contributed funds, I think you'd feel differently.

And, for what it's worth, this is my first and last post on the topic.

Cinder & Smoke

07-29-2007, 01:31 PM

... why there's a need for this thread.

... this very tiresome situation certainly does not need to be
stewed over any more than necessary.

I think we need to let some folks know that this Begging for Money,
without there being a really good and well documented reason,
will be met with resistance.

And folks who start to deceive or misrepresent the truth, will be taken to task.

This isn't the first time the Truth has been *stretched* - we should take some steps
to be certain it doesn't happen too many more times in the future.

/s/ Phred

;)

critter crazy

07-29-2007, 01:36 PM

I think we need to let some folks know that this Begging for Money,
without there being a really good and well documented reason,
will be met with resistance.

And folks who start to deceive or misrepresent the truth, will be taken to task.

This isn't the first time the Truth has been *stretched* - we should take some steps
to be certain it doesn't happen too many more times in the future.

/s/ Phred

;)
Exactly!! There are way too many good hearted people here, who we dont want to see taken Advantage of!!

Miss Z

07-29-2007, 01:36 PM

Normally, I'd agree. But, in this instance, I believe there's much more to it than just "b*tching." People deserve to know the attitude(s) of the parties involved. More than that, they need to see the actions (or, lack thereof) taken by the one soliciting donations.

In this case, I believe that one of the helpers ended up pretty surprised by the actions of the solicitor. For that reason alone, I think the thread should've stayed. It speaks volumes.

Miss Z, I fully respect you and your opinions, but as you said, you've been gone for awhile and missed the thread(s) that this one pertains to. If you'd read those and/or if you'd contributed funds, I think you'd feel differently.

And, for what it's worth, this is my first and last post on the topic.

Thank you, zippy-kat, and Phred too. It's only that I just saw the title of this thread and thought 'uh-oh', then opened it to find a medley of rather spiteful comments with a good helping of these > :mad: . As Briana and I get on rather well, you can imagine that I was naturally rather appalled and felt the need to, as calmly as possible, try to curb something that could have grown into a public bashing. I'm sure most people here can understand that.

If someone wouldn't mind, I would appreciate it if someone could PM me a summary of what has happened recently. I like to know both sides of a story. Thanks in advance.

Cinder & Smoke

07-29-2007, 01:46 PM

I have a feeling that THIS thread's going to be deleted,
so I'm not going to waste my time - ;)

THIS one sure won't be *deleted* by ME - Mr. Adverse-to-Deletions!
;)

I think there are enough of us on PT that HAVE been taken advantage of over the years,
that the situation deserves to be discussed - in a Calm and Polite way.

/s/ Phred

Alysser

07-29-2007, 01:50 PM

Thank you, zippy-kat, and Phred too. It's only that I just saw the title of this thread and thought 'uh-oh', then opened it to find a medley of rather spiteful comments with a good helping of these > :mad: . As Briana and I get on rather well, you can imagine that I was naturally rather appalled and felt the need to, as calmly as possible, try to curb something that could have grown into a public bashing. I'm sure most people here can understand that.

If someone wouldn't mind, I would appreciate it if someone could PM me a summary of what has happened recently. I like to know both sides of a story. Thanks in advance.

Yeah, I agree. I really don't know enough that happened to fully make a good thought-out opinion. If anyone can PM a summary I'd appreciate it. I mean, I saw some of the threads, but that was a few months ago. I didn't see any recent updates or what not.

I agree with Zara. It's only instinctive to curb an arguement between someone you get along with fairly well with but..I don't know what happened.

Alysser

07-29-2007, 04:14 PM

Well I found out the whole story and I find it utterly ridiculious. I was pretty shocked when I read what happened, and I just don't even know how to express the anger. To be rude to people who are giving money to you is just sick to me. Asking for the donations is a load of cr*p to me, if she can afford a $90 outfit. Wow, just...wow. :rolleyes: I know on some of the threads, I was on her side. But this brings me into a whole new light. I guess I should stop skimming threads and start actually reading all the posts, because that's exactly what I did. I never read any of this stuff she was doing. Wow do I feel stupid now. If you think about it, this really does all sound like a big scam. :eek: :mad: Not to mention, I am 110% on the other side now.

dukedogsmom

07-29-2007, 04:28 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me. It is starting to feel like a scam and I feel like her Mom is talking her into preying on the sympathetic animal lovers of this board.
Which is why I never gave any money. This one just didn't feel right.

Vela

07-29-2007, 04:41 PM

I have to agree with you Phred. Most of the time I think argumentative threads are fine to just go by the wayside, but this one in particular was a sore spot for MANY. In light of recent events, it's even more important for those who didn't see it, or those who may join at a later date, to understand what happened so they don't put forth their hard earned dollars in vain.

lizbud

07-29-2007, 04:44 PM

I did not read all the posts in that thread, but I read enough to know
what went on. It was pitiful. Sounded like a scam to me. I never posted
in the thread but it shouldn't be deleted. I hope someone has passed all this info to Karen & Paul. It it's taking advantage of good hearted people and
lying about things, Karen should know. Couldn't that get someone banned?

sasvermont

07-29-2007, 05:02 PM

I have contributed to quite a few folks here at PetTalk but have done so ever so carefully. I don't regret having done so. BUT each time I donate, I do so hoping they spend the money for the cause. I have been lucky so far. I will continue to contribute and would certainly like to know if someone is being less than honest about what they are doing with the money.

:rolleyes:

moosmom

07-29-2007, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by caseysmom
Sounds like a good idea to me. It is starting to feel like a scam and I feel like her Mom is talking her into preying on the sympathetic animal lovers of this board.

Originally Posted by DukeDogsMom
Which is why I never gave any money. This one just didn't feel right.

I TOTALLY agree.

krazyaboutkatz

07-29-2007, 05:28 PM

I didn't read through most of the threads and I too knew not to contribute any money. Just the other night Bri brought one of the threads back up and posted an update about the cat that was spayed. I posted that I'm glad that she's doing well and I asked her if she was planning on getting any of her other animals spayed or neutered. Well, I never received a reply and I never saw the thread again. I'd also like to hear the details behind all of this so some one please pm me about it when you have a chance.

Zippy

07-29-2007, 06:01 PM

Some things I didn't get.If she has expenisve stuff why not sell some of it.People will pay alot of purses.She mostly like could have gotten a 150 plus dollars form those purses.She said she has 175 and 250 dollar purses.$90 dollars for an outfit :eek: My gosh I have never spent that much on one outfit in my life.

I thought this all started to get Gizzie fixed and nothing more. :confused:
How did it turn into get all her pets fixed and shots?

sumbirdy

07-29-2007, 06:04 PM

Could someone please pm me the details? I think I got the jest (don't know if that's the right word) of the story. Something like this-people donated money to her to spend on one thing (animal care, perhaps?) and she spent it on something totally not related. Correct? I missed all these threads (Usually I just go to "Who's Online" and view what everyone else is looking at and see if anything catches my eye, which is how I found this thread) I would just like the details (to settle some curiosity)

krazyaboutkatz

07-29-2007, 06:22 PM

I thought this all started to get Gizzie fixed and nothing more. :confused:
How did it turn into get all her pets fixed and shots?

I may have misunderstood but when I read the thread about Gizzie's donations it also said that her cat Skye was going to be spayed and that her dogs would be fixed later depending on how much money was donated. Am I right about this or did I misunderstand everything?:confused:

sumbirdy

07-29-2007, 06:40 PM

I have no clue what's going on.... :confused:

dogzr#1

07-29-2007, 06:47 PM

I've been gone for 3 days so I'm guessing something involving Bri happened in that time? Can someone please PM the details?

And as Zara and Alyssa said, I'm going to defend her because I know her probably the best out of anyone on this board.

Yes, I know about the $90 outfit. She got that money because of her birthday. Her mom and dad both gave her money because for the past two years, she didn't get anything for her birthday. So, she spent it on NICE clothes from a good store and she will be able to wear this outfit many times.

Again, I can't really say anything else until I know the details.

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 07:02 PM

Cinder & Smoke

07-29-2007, 07:27 PM

Yes, I know about the $90 outfit. She got that money because of her birthday. ... for the past two years, she didn't get anything for her birthday.

She got a camera for her birthday last year.

Details ... Details ... You're clouding the issue with Details! :rolleyes:
Here's the *short* Summary >>>

* She's been "getting" and "gettin RID OF" pets since she joined Pet Talk.
* Few of the critters have been "Fixed" nor given Vaccinations nor Rabies shots.
* "WE" knew nothing about the $90 Outfit
* "WE" DID get approached to contribute to Fixing and Vaccinating a Cat -
... with the understanding said Cat would be evicted if not Fixed & Trained.
* So some Generous PTers donated the funds to Fix & Vaccinate said Critter.
* THEN we heard about the $90 Birthday Outfit :eek: :mad:
* This week "WE" were approached to begin donating to the "Roxy Fix-a-Pet Fund" - AGAIN!

* A few PT Folks objected to ANOTHER request for money from a previous donee.
* A few PTers objected to the objections ...

** "SOMEbody" not only deleted the then current "New Request for Donations Thread",
but also DELETED :mad: ALL the previous threads dealing with the previous Donation Requests
and the previous generous offers to help the cause and Fix the Pet.

All in All - NOT a :cool: series of events.
Previous Donors are UppySet!

:(

/s/ Phred

dogzr#1

07-29-2007, 07:47 PM

Forgive me for my mistake. I had forgotten she got a camera last year.

Yes, she made another thread asking for donations. Then she deleted it because she was tired of getting bashed. I haven't talked to her about what was said or anything, but I know that is the case.

She went out looking for a job so she could help her mom pay bills. I think it's sad that a 15 year old has to do that. She looked at trying new products to see if they worked or not, just so she could help her mom get through the month and help pay for the bills.

She is also helping her other animals right now, but hasn't made a thread on PT about it. I won't say what she did, because if she wants you to know, she'll tell you.

As said before, I haven't had a chance to talk to her much but when I do, I'm sure she'll fill me in on the details. Perhaps her internet has been disconnected because her mom doesn't have money for the bill..

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 08:01 PM

Oh give me a break. If her internet is disconnected then maybe she will spend some time with roxy who is still tied to a chain outside.

Catty1

07-29-2007, 08:06 PM

maybe she will spend some time with roxy who is still tied to a chain outside.

caseysmom, please see #1 and #2 in post below.

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=131027&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Roxy

dogzr#1

07-29-2007, 08:08 PM

Roxy stays inside way more than she used to so, please, don't bring her back into this situation.

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 08:11 PM

She is brought in the house occasionally for photoshoots.

Catty, she is not an inside dog. She is kept on a chain outside.

cassiesmom

07-29-2007, 08:14 PM

This is what I understand the situation to be. Someone, please correct me if I am wrong.

1) Gizmo had her spay and the behavior issues with have improved.
2) The "Help Roxyluvsme13's Pets" fund now has a balance of $20 and additional funds are still needed because she still has three pets needing veterinary care.

dukedogsmom

07-29-2007, 08:16 PM

She went out looking for a job so she could help her mom pay bills. I think it's sad that a 15 year old has to do that. She looked at trying new products to see if they worked or not, just so she could help her mom get through the month and help pay for the bills.

Why do you think that's sad? I think it shows responsibility. And deleting all the threads was a very uncool thing to do. That just makes her look even more shady, to me. I think a lot of PTers got taken advantage of and she knows that. That's why they were deleted. I think it's a shame that some got taken advantage of when there have been some members that truely needed help and used the money for what it was intended.

Cinder & Smoke

07-29-2007, 08:19 PM

The "Help Roxyluvsme13's Pets" fund now has a balance of $20 and
additional funds are still needed
because she still has three pets needing veterinary care.

:eek:

Lemmie know AFTER she sells the $90 Outfit and tosses that money into The Fund!

;)

Zippy

07-29-2007, 08:20 PM

1) Gizmo had her spay and the behavior issues with have improved.

Wasn't that the point of the fund.I thought it was get Gizzie sprayed so she wouldn't go to the shelter and that was the goal.

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 08:21 PM

No the point of the fund is, " I still wanna enjoy all my goodies so can you all pay for my animals needs" I certainly can't go without it is my birthday.

Catty1

07-29-2007, 08:31 PM

Caseysmom - I just posted a thread. Please take that argument to the people who posted, Karen being one of them in post #2.

Otherwise, I am glad you have been able to train your webcam on her house and determine when Roxy is and is not outside.

I have donated before and would again.

For all the nostagia buffs who would really like to get their knickers in a bigger knot, here is the locked post, and second one, from a while back.

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=127335&highlight=Gizzie

Just for the record - because someone asked - a system was set up before where the funds went straight to the clinic, not to the family.

Now, as families are getting blown to pieces overseas, and our fighting men and women are dying and risking their lives in horrendous conditions, I am going to turn my attention to things that really ARE worth getting upset about.

And $40 isn't one of them.

Cinder & Smoke

07-29-2007, 08:35 PM

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/eek.gif

Let's be a little bit careful, gang, with what we say that someone said or thought ...
If you can't show PROOF of your statement - you prolly shouldn't *write* it!

Remember ~ the Mayor can do a *disconnect* on this thread if we let it get out of control!

Let's not *bash* for the sake of *bashing* ...
We've pretty much Made Our Point!

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/wink.gif

IRescue452

07-29-2007, 08:39 PM

I have to agree with the last two posts. The point of donating was to get the animal spayed, and it happened. I think this thread should be locked or deleted so as to not have more people making speculations about the animals care or the owners' situation.

dogzr#1

07-29-2007, 08:49 PM

Yes, Gizzie has been spayed but Bri would like to get all the other animals taken care of and UTD on shots etc. Her mom won't allow for the money she makes to go towards the animals, instead her mom puts all the money towards bills and debt.

I'm not going to go further into the details, as I have to talk with Bri first.

And, like Candance said- You are not sure how often Roxy gets allowed inside. It is not only for photoshoots. She sleeps inside almost every night and is allowed inside for most of the day as well. I have talked to Bri over the phone before and on IM many times, so I know she is telling me the truth. Wether you believe it or not is up to you.

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 08:55 PM

Your right I should have brought Roxy into this. The comment about maybe she isn't on because her internet may have gotten disconnected just seemed like a low blow for sympathy so I responded in kind. I should not have done that.

Cinder & Smoke

07-29-2007, 09:03 PM

Her mom won't allow for the money "she" makes to go towards the animals,

instead her mom puts all the money towards bills and debt.

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/confused.gif
WHO is the "she" in the quoted sentence above?

Mom won't allow for the money that BRI makes ...
or Mom won't allow the money that MOM makes --- to go towards the Animals.
Which is it?

And that begs the Question -
Just WHO IS Responsible for financially taking care of the Animals???
Bri, Mom, or Pet Talk?

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 09:06 PM

I guess that is what is irking me, there are many on here that sacrifice so there animals can be well taken care of and Bri blatantly flaunts her expeditures on herself and defends it, it just seems pretty rude to me.

Catty1

07-29-2007, 09:25 PM

about the $90 outfit. She got that money because of her birthday. Her mom and dad both gave her money because for the past two years, she didn't get anything for her birthday. So, she spent it on NICE clothes from a good store and she will be able to wear this outfit many times.

She got a camera for her birthday last year.

She is also helping her other animals right now, but hasn't made a thread on PT about it. Would you?

Her mom won't allow for the money she[MOM] makes to go towards the animals, instead her mom puts all the money towards bills and debt.

Bri has mentioned on this forum that her mom had to declare bankruptcy a while back...and taking care of the animals was ok before then. Everything was.

So...she actually gets to buy a good set of clothes she can get a lot of wear out of (not a fancy birthday outfit), and a camera last year...and was given a purse and another item this year that would fetch $5 each at a garage sale.
Clothes - maybe $10 for the lot, if she is lucky.

Yeah...spoiled rotten, I'd say.

Bri mentioned once that her mom didn't know how to use the computer. LPN's who are temping use computers all right - but are not Googling at work, if they have internet access at all. (Temping - the FT job fell through).

So - anyone want to rehome the rest of the pets?

critter crazy

07-29-2007, 09:27 PM

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/confused.gif
WHO is the "she" in the quoted sentence above?

Mom won't allow for the money that BRI makes ...
or Mom won't allow the money that MOM makes --- to go towards the Animals.
Which is it?

And that begs the Question -
Just WHO IS Responsible for financially taking care of the Animals???
Bri, Mom, or Pet Talk?Exactly!! If Bri's Mom wont allow money to be spent on the animals, then they shouldnt have ANY!!! WTH??? I have heard this from Bri time and time again! If mom dosent want her hard earned money to go to Bri's animals, then either Bri needs to take care of them on her OWN, or find them all a new home where they will get the proper care they DESERVE!

critter crazy

07-29-2007, 09:28 PM

Would you?

Bri has mentioned on this forum that her mom had to declare bankruptcy a while back...and taking care of the animals was ok before then. Everything was.

So...she actually gets to buy a good set of clothes she can get a lot of wear out of (not a fancy birthday outfit), and a camera last year...and was given a purse and another item this year that would fetch $5 each at a garage sale.
Clothes - maybe $10 for the lot, if she is lucky.

Yeah...spoiled rotten, I'd say.

Bri mentioned once that her mom didn't know how to use the computer. LPN's who are temping use computers all right - but are not Googling at work, if they have internet access at all. (Temping - the FT job fell through).

So - anyone want to rehome the rest of the pets?
I declared bankruptcy, Am I asking for hand outs?? NO!

luvofallhorses

07-29-2007, 09:57 PM

:rolleyes: this whole thing is ridicolous. :rolleyes:

Alysser

07-29-2007, 10:45 PM

There is no doubt in my mind she knew she has upset people and take advantage of them. I'm pretty sure she left PT as I haven't seen her posts in awhile. I'm really not willing to get involved in this whole thing, but I firmly stand by my original opinion on page 2 and I'm sorry to any people were taken advantage of. All they were doing was trying to help..

shais_mom

07-29-2007, 10:50 PM

Which is why I never gave any money. This one just didn't feel right.
I'm only as far as your post right now so forgive me -
but Val - I know you and I don't see eyeball to eyeball often but on this -
I'm in 1000000000000% agreement....

dukedogsmom

07-29-2007, 10:53 PM

I'm only as far as your post right now so forgive me -
but Val - I know you and I don't see eyeball to eyeball often but on this -
I'm in 1000000000000% agreement....
LMAO! We agree on more than you think.

catnapper

07-29-2007, 11:08 PM

I'm sorry.... this is utterly ridiculous.

When I was in my financial mess last year, I did receive donations. I never asked for them but they came and they made my year. I was honored and blessed to have people trust me like that. Did I take their cash then say "oh cool, now instead of paying $350 towards medical bills I can now go to the mall!" No. I paid off some late bills and considered myself the most humbled woman in the world. I would have NEVER bought anything remotely unnecessary at the time.... heck I'm still that way! I'd be SO ASHAMED to receive money then pay $90 for a pile of outfits, let alone one outfit. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't be arrogant enough to post it to the very same people who gave me the money! Its like saying "yeah, thanks for the extra cash - now we don't have to waste our money on important stuff. We get to use our money for fun things!" Appalling!

I never asked for help yet received it. I am eternally grateful. I will always offer help to others whenever I can do so. Thats what life is all about. But some people come and take advantage of other people's generosity and ruin it for the genuine people out there.

anyone who donated THEIR hard earned money has a right to be outraged. They gave their money because they were concerned about the health and welfare of an animal. They also cared for a young PTer who was powerless to change the circumstances. They thought they were helping someone who needed it. They gave whatever they could out of true human goodness. They didn't expect anything in return, except perhaps gratitude and the good feeling of helping someone get out of a bad financial problem. But that good feeling is ripped out from underneath you when you realize the person you helped is basically saying they won't change their financial carelessness... they refuse to get themselves out of their mess.

I actually feel sorry for Bri... she's never going to change her life. They're always going to be one step ahead of evictions and power-cut-offs. and not because they aren't making enough money, but because they can't make responsible choices with their money.

Karen

07-29-2007, 11:11 PM

I have written to Bri. I have asked if she or her mom is getting any sort of counseling. The situation is not hopeless, though. Bri is young, and can learn from her mother's experiences, and as she ages, will gain perspective on things. And even her mother might improve with external, professional help.

Jessika

07-29-2007, 11:12 PM

I've been following the threads for awhile now... and I must say, for face-value, it makes me sad. Just... sad. I won't go into a long speech, I won't point fingers or point blame, I'm just really sad that there are animals out there that need care and apparently aren't getting the care they need because of financial problems. I wish the best for these animals and everyone involved, and pray everything works out for everyone in the end.

Catsnclay

07-29-2007, 11:35 PM

I don't know the person in this thread, but have just recently learned, you cannot just 'give' someone money with the thinking that they will spend it either the way they say or the way that YOU think they should spend it.

When you give someone money/donation - in any amount, then be prepared for them to spend it on whatever THEY see fit.

My lesson was learned the hard way, so therefore I now do not give money to any PERSON, only to organizations, and even they use it as they please.

shais_mom

07-29-2007, 11:36 PM

LMAO! We agree on more than you think.
:cool: we do!? ;) :cool: swwweeet!

this whole thing is ridicolous.
I'm not entirely sure what you think is ridiculous? The fact that this thread is happening at all or the fact that Bri thinks she is entitled to Pet Talk's money.. :confused:

I certainly understand putting forth your money towards bills and debt. - I'm a single person myself - we are not all heartless and silly headed as you think we are Catty- But the fact of the matter is if her mom refuses to allow what little money BOTH of them make - for their pets -
then they should NOT have them. I don't tell people to rehome their pets lightly - believe me - I only suggest it when I think it is needed. And I think in this case it is better for the pets.
As I stated in the previous thread - I thought we've gotten our chain yanked from the beginning and warning signs hit me full in the face - like a Nuclear bomb - where when the Previous Pom (in her avatar) needed vet care and her mom didn't have the money to take her and she died- and then like 3 months later they have the hundreds of dollars it takes to buy another one. Everytime I mention this Bri throws it in my face saying I have no right to mention it - well Yes I do - she made it public knowledge as she's made most (not all) of her life over the last 2 years. So its fair game. And the fact that she brags or thinks it is funny that they are on food stamps and they are using food stamps to pay to feed Roxey.
in my almost 7 years here on Pet Talk and in alllll the time that I have donated my money to worthy people - not ONCE - NOT ONCE - has that person that I sent the money too been the one that asked for it.
Ever.
So the fact that she thinks that Pet Talk is her own personal bank and that she is entitled to the good people here that DID donate to her - to their money - just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And has since this whole thing started.

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 11:42 PM

Well I always thought those hundreds for both poms...I think its about 900 for both of them should have went to a 400 dollar enclosure for roxy so she would not have to live on a chain. That was shot down because it wasn't their house, its just excuse after excuse.

I feel like I know luvofallhorses pretty well and I don't think she thinks the people that are being critical are ridiculous, that is just my opinion because her and I seem to agree on so much.

Karen

07-29-2007, 11:44 PM

But at least we have done good, in helping Bri convince her mother - and remember, she worked very hard doing that - that Roxy could be - and now is, happily, an inside doggie!

shais_mom

07-29-2007, 11:50 PM

caseysmom

07-29-2007, 11:54 PM

I don't think it did.

shais_mom

07-29-2007, 11:56 PM

I don't think it did.
thank you :D

shais_mom

07-30-2007, 12:07 AM

I'm sorry but in all honesty

And, like Candance said- You are not sure how often Roxy gets allowed inside. It is not only for photoshoots. She sleeps inside almost every night and is allowed inside for most of the day as well. I have talked to Bri over the phone before and on IM many times, so I know she is telling me the truth. Wether you believe it or not is up to you.
and

But at least we have done good, in helping Bri convince her mother - and remember, she worked very hard doing that - that Roxy could be - and now is, happily, an inside doggie!
unless we do as it is suggested here??

Otherwise, I am glad you have been able to train your webcam on her house and determine when Roxy is and is not outside.

CathyBogart

07-30-2007, 01:33 AM

This irritates me to no end...I had over $900 in unexpected expenses this month (and I make $1200 a month) and I still managed to get Jasper in to the vet when he needed it....exam, booster vaccinations, license renewal...total=$150. More than it costs to get an animal sterilized. Without scamming people for money.

What's going to happen if one of the unspayed dogs gets a pyometra? That's a $2,000 or more surgery that could be prevented with a $100 spay. Will they just be PTS?

luvofallhorses

07-30-2007, 02:14 AM

Staci,

caseysmom is right. I meant the whole thing is ridicolous. Bri asking for money when she bought expensive things that she could have used towards Skye and Lily being spayed among getting shots, check ups, etc. I assume that Skye and Lily aren't spayed, right? Please correct me if I am wrong.
It would be horrible if Skye or Lily snuck out and got pregnant.

Bri,

I know you're young and all but you need to find a way atleast babysit or petsit, walk dogs, etc. to earn money if your mom won't spay or get proper vet care for your animals. even if you get allowance save it up so they can be spayed and get shots and check ups.

you should always have an emergency savings accounts for things if one of your pets got into something toxic, blocked from eating a bone, etc. have your mom get one, it is very important and a lot of vets atleast the vets where I live will do a payment plan. please look into that. :)

jackie

07-30-2007, 04:15 AM

Ok, I just read through the link posted to cat general.

I think it is sad, and nothing more.

I refuse to help people who don't help themselves.

Ginger's Mom

07-30-2007, 06:01 AM

I understand that people are upset about the whole situation, in all honesty, I am too. But, the latest deleted thread is no real surprise. Almost everyone on here understood that Bri needed someone to take charge of the medical needs of her animals because neither she nor her mother were able or willing to care for their veterinary or behavioral needs. Rather than train Roxy how to behave, chain her outside. Rather than deal with a peeing cat, have it spayed (although she did need to be spayed anyway). Problems like these have been appearing since October 2005, there is no reason for anyone to really believe that because someone decided to ask Pet Talk to pay for the vet bills that the people in the house will suddenly understand what it takes to care for the animals.

With all due respect to you Phred (and I really do mean that), I am just as glad that those threads disappeared. I think they show the worst of Pet Talk. So much bad advice and so many ignorant comments, is not what Pet Talk should be about. As to people learning about being taken advantage of by reviewing those types of threads, well, people are going to believe what they want to believe, and can come up with all kinds of excuses as to how the present situation is different. There were people who tried to make others see that they were being taken adventage of and those people were told that they could confine their opinions to PMs while new threads were being opened to promote the begging. No I am not sorry those threads went away at all.

JenBKR

07-30-2007, 09:39 AM

I haven't been on for a few days, so I must have missed the latest request for donations thread. Did Bri make another thread saying that she got a $90 outfit? Sorry, I did read through this thread, but I missed quite a bit of the story and got confused.

I honestly think that Bri and her mom need some counseling. It just seems like one thing after another (or is it just me? :confused: ). One day they don't have the money to pay the electric bill so the electricity gets cut off, the next she is going to see POTC three times in the theater and asking people to buy all kinds of POTC items on ebay for her (with her paying them back) since she's not old enough to have an account. I understand she is young, and that she has a lot to learn, but her it seems as though her mother is not doing her any favors. IMO the pets need to be rehomed.

Argranade

07-30-2007, 10:20 AM

What's going to happen if one of the unspayed dogs gets a pyometra? That's a $2,000 or more surgery that could be prevented with a $100 spay. Will they just be PTS?
So for $10 more from that $90 outfit she got, it could have spayed a dog.

:(

Vela

07-30-2007, 11:36 AM

Actually the prices for small dogs wasn't even that high at the low cost shelter near her home. She could have had Lilly or Skye spayed and all caught up on shots for that outfit. She could have had Roxy's shots done with the money she spent on seeing POTC more than once. It's all about priorities when living things depend on you.

Donnaj4962

07-30-2007, 11:45 AM

I have been trying to stay on top of all of the threads, and I have rarely, if ever posted. I have to say that I have been disgusted with what I have seen/read in Bri's posts, but I had to keep reminding myself that she is only a child. And sadly, it appears that she is a child whose Mother has no financial responsibility.

I know that Bri has made some poor choices in the past, and I have to admit that I was VERY SURPRISED that, after all of the brohaha from the last thread asking for spay money for her Gizzie, she once again asked for money from PTers.

I am single, working for a non-profit, (read: making very little money! :rolleyes: ) but I still manage to help others when I can. Something from the very beginning of this has told me that this is a scam, and I have not made any donations. I am sorry for those who have been taken.

I can only hope that Bri's absence in THIS thread is because she is embarrassed and has learned her lesson. Karen, I agree, she and her Mother need some counseling. But I am not starting a thread asking for donations for their therapy sessions! ;) :D (my attempt at some levity here)

Cataholic

07-30-2007, 12:06 PM

Great. Back from my brief vacation, and my dear friend, PCB, brougth this to my attention. I. Told. You. So. Come on. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expect different results. This has been going on for so freaking long.

Catty1- the term is "enabler". For those of us that have been on here for years, and heard the saga, the half-truths, the excuses, etc., it is so totally old. "She is a child", "she is doing the best she can", "nice outfit", "good value"- gag me with a spoon. I mean, totally. Your support of her and her situation is ridiculous, and I think indicates a poor choice in judgment on your part.

This is such a shame, for the poor animals involved. The people? Nah...they are making it just the way they want to- lots of crying, whining and excusing. It isn't situational, it is a choice.

No one in that family seems like they DESERVES pets. Yep. I am totally judging them. I would really have a problem if they lived near me, and, as a community of pet lovers, I don't get how anyone could support this behaviour.

I edited my post because Karen asked me too. I love how two faced those of you who cried to her about it are. (Not you, Karen).

May the way Bri and her family treats their pets weigh on YOUR heart.

Happy now? :mad:

shais_mom

07-30-2007, 12:54 PM

Staci,

caseysmom is right. I meant the whole thing is ridicolous. Bri asking for money when she bought expensive things that she could have used towards Skye and Lily being spayed among getting shots, check ups, etc. I assume that Skye and Lily aren't spayed, right? Please correct me if I am wrong.
It would be horrible if Skye or Lily snuck out and got pregnant.

thanks Krista - I was just confused. :)

I agree wholeheartedly with Joh.
Catty - your attempts at helping the less fortunate are definately noble and nothing to sneeze at. BUT I think that your actions are misguided when it comes to some issues here. I think you'd be far better off - finding people in your own area that you can actually SEE attempting at improving their lives - b/c its certainly seems that Bri and her mom may be trying - but it is 2 steps forward 4 steps back.

kuhio98

07-30-2007, 01:29 PM

Cinder & Smoke

07-30-2007, 01:50 PM

Instead of donating to the person -- get the vet information.
Mail the check directly to the vet.
Specify it is to be used for so-in-so's account.
That way, there will be no question as to how the money is spend.

That IS what was done in this case ...
We had a Trusted Pet Talker in the US that served as The Banker ...
Donations went to her and then SHE took care of sending the money directly to The Vet.

There have been a few "errors" in some of the posts here - None (or VERY little)
of the Pet Talk Donated money was spent for anything other than the Pets' direct Vet care.
The Objections to money being poorly spent come from the fact that the OWNERS chose
to spend THEIR money on THEMSELVES, and not on the Pets' Vet Needs.

The Owners' "personal spending" was for things that some of us felt were not
nearly as important as the Pets' Vet Needs.

;)

cassiesmom

07-30-2007, 02:17 PM

I think a good guideline for all of us who try to help in these situations is that instead of donating to the person -- get the vet information. Mail the check directly to the vet. Specify it is to be used for so-in-so's account. That way, there will be no question as to how the money is spend.

That's what was done for Bri. Catty1 researched it very thoroughly and a Pay Pal account was even set up. It's my understanding that the Pay Pal account is still active and the only thing standing between Bri's pets and the veterinary care they need is financing.

Begging for Money, without there being a really good and well documented reason
There were four really good reasons. One of which has been taken care of. Which brings me back to my original question: The balance in the fund is at $20 and nothing further can be done for Bri's pets until the finances are available? Correct? If there are not going to be any more donors, what happens to the monies in the account currently?

dogzr#1

07-30-2007, 04:03 PM

Okay I haven't read thru all the posts, but I have to clear something up involving the $90 outfit. She got $106 for her birthday, from her mom, dad and Grandpa. She told me she wanted to use the money to get Lily spayed but her mother wouldn't let her 'waste' her birthday money on her animals. Her Mom got mad that she (Bri) wanted to get her bettas a new tank. So I'm sure Bri wanted to help Lily and Skye to get spayed, but her mother wouldn't allow it.

I know many people have PMed Bri and haven't gotten a reply, and I have yet to see Bri online either. I won't say anything more until I get her consent. I don't think she'll appreciate it if I went around telling part of her life.

Vela

07-30-2007, 04:16 PM

That's all well and good if that's the truth, but in that case, since her mother won't "allow" her to use her birthday money on the animals, and her mother will not pay for the animals, then for the sake of the animals they need to be rehomed to someone who will put their needs above human wants and get them proper care, rather than continuing down this path. If this is all true then the pets need to come first, not Briana's wants and desire to have them. They are NOT coming first, they are not getting adequate care. The money IS there, it's just not being used appropriately for whatever reason. You can make all the excuses you like for her, it does not change the fact that if they cannot or will not provide proper medical care for so many pets, then some or all need to be rehomed to allow for proper care.

Yeah that sucks, but sometimes doing the right thing for the animals sucks for us. This is not a sudden emergency, this is routine care that people need to do for animals they bring into their lives. It didn't come out of nowhere and if they can afford cell phones, new cameras, birthday money, cigarettes, eating fast food often as Briana has claimed, and rental of a computer, as well as internet, they could have set aside 5-10 dollars a month for the animal needs. If her mom does not WANT to care for the animals, they need to go to a home that will.

shais_mom

07-30-2007, 05:35 PM

, birthday money, cigarettes, eating fast food often as Briana has claimed, and rental of a computer, as well as internet, they could have set aside 5-10 dollars a month for the animal needs. If her mom does not WANT to care for the animals, they need to go to a home that will.
that is a good point -
b/c Bri stated herself that her mom smoked.
I'd bet her mom always has money for cigs even when she can't afford the electric bill.
Kuhio- actually way back when this whole thing started - Bri asked for cash or checks to be sent to her for spaying of the animals. That would be a red flag for me sending a check to a 14 year old. B/c then right after she asked for that - she went to see Pirates of the Caribbean like 2-3 times in a weekend.
Now I just went to the matinee 2 weeks - ago - and it was $5.50 so even @ $5 for tickets- it would still have been $10-15 for the movies altogether - not to mention anything to eat or drink (which I do not know if she did)
that is when the paypal acct was set up.

ok - phred - you've beat this horse dead a couple times over -
time to move on before Karen gets fed up with us and deletes this one.

I_luv_rusty

07-30-2007, 05:38 PM

caseysmom

07-30-2007, 05:39 PM

It seems like a scam to me when she asked for money directly then when she didn't get that and it went to the vets office there were many excuses for not calling to set things up...I get up at 11, I don't have a phone, my mom doesn't let me use my cell phone for anything other than emergenies...blah blah blah

Cinder & Smoke

07-30-2007, 05:58 PM

ok - phred - you've beat this horse dead a couple times over -

time to move on before Karen gets fed up with us and deletes this one.

HUH?

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/confused.gif

I'm "flogging a dead horse" ??

I was ready to give it up a few posts ago ...
I've been correcting erroneous statements and urging CALM ...

I Was at 8, now 9, posts out of 82 = 10% by me.

(Sorry to hog my thread.)

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/wink.gif

Rachel

07-30-2007, 06:02 PM

Briana, although some of you may not agree, this thread could be an opportunity for you to learn from the opinions and feelings expressed here if you open up your heart and your mind to how others view some of your actions and attitudes. In a way this is the real world and it's not that different from the one you are going to live in and be accountable in. No, you may not agree with how your actions have been interpreted, but if you give it some serious thought instead of a knee jerk reaction, maybe you will be able to understand the perspectives of others.

Briana you have been given a lot of consideration, time, effort and concern by many wonderful caring people on this board. I hope you understand just how special that is. I hope you can appreciate how many people have reached out to you over the years in various ways. Please read the posts, positive and negative and see the truth that lies in both.

Phred, I don't like the deleting of threads either. To me that is equivalent to *deleting means never having to say you're sorry*, which in many cases would mean a lot to some of us.

Catty1

07-30-2007, 07:13 PM

Perhaps Animal Control in Bri's city should be notified? Lack of proper care?

CathyBogart

07-30-2007, 07:25 PM

Lack of rabies vaccines and therefore licenses is certainly a big deal

Alysser

07-30-2007, 07:28 PM

Perhaps Animal Control in Bri's city should be notified? Lack of proper care?

Even if anybody could do that, AC can't do anything if the animals have food, water, and shelter. Which is evident they all do..but it's just not good enough care in my eyes.

caseysmom

07-30-2007, 07:56 PM

When you ask for money from other people you open yourself up for scrutiny.

buttercup132

07-30-2007, 09:07 PM

Finally you all are seeing what I've been saying since this whole donation thing started..and now her "friends" are finally realising how she treats her animals too. Oh and yes she cares soo much for those animals seeing as a couple months ago she was going to get rid of Gizzy and even though Skye is her "heart cat" she was ready to give her up too because her mom said if she did she could get another small dog. Well of course she wanted to just drop the cats off at a shelter not even find them a home.

Her whole family treats animals poorly, her dad has dogs chained up outside too from what I was told before by her.

I hope they get re homed or that someone calls AC and gets them re homed. Isn't it illegal to not have rabies shots?

Ginger's Mom

07-30-2007, 10:16 PM

Family services (Bri?)
Do you have a reason for suggesting that Family Services be contacted? IF you have verifiable information you should certainly contact the appropriate authority. If you do not, suggesting such a thing on a public board may not be a wise thing to do. As we have learned anyone can not only read these threads but use them for other sources.

Edwina's Secretary

07-30-2007, 11:28 PM

I have no idea what this whole thing is about. I have seen postings by the subject of this thread but never enough to attract my interest.

But now I see someone contacted the animal authorities in the town where this child lives for reasons that I cannot understand.

I hope this is a joke. Like the Thursday bar thread. I would hate to think anyone would go to the trouble to contact authorities in another country about a situation that has been well known but now....what???? As revenge????

Okay...she may have scammed and lied. Maybe she has no animals...maybe she isn't even real. Maybe her mother is a poor money manager and a scammer too. I don't know. That's why I am very careful about IF...and to whom I send money. Nonetheless I am sure I have been taken.

But to call the authorities???

I am shocked and hope I misunderstand something....

caseysmom

07-30-2007, 11:34 PM

I don't think anyone did that, at least that is not my understanding.

shais_mom

07-30-2007, 11:41 PM

But I did email the animal people in her city and ask for advice, gave them a brief outline.

.
I just think she emailed them and asked for guidance.
To my understanding.

Catty1

07-30-2007, 11:43 PM

I just asked for advice. Period.

Thanks, shais_mom.

shais_mom

07-30-2007, 11:44 PM

I just asked for advice. Period.

Thanks, shais mom

that is what I thought, you are welcome. :)

kittycats_delight

07-31-2007, 05:52 AM

I missed all the last lot of things that happened as I and my husband were sick and I was not online. It seems to have turned into a war though.

Catty-Animal Control was called on her one time before as a revenge tactic by someone she knew. If another goes in she will most likely lose the animals. This means they will be PTS. The shelter is HIGH KILL. And animals they confiscate or that are owner surrenderare PTS. When all the crap was going on about Gizzie and her mom wanting her gone the info given by the shelter was that they were full to capacity and all owner surrenders would be PTS asap. They simply cannot accommodate them. And as for rehoming. There are animals in much worse situations than Bri's. Ok I agree they are not in ideal situations but they are fed and clean and she does love them. They are not out on the street fending for themselves and straving and riddled with disease. They are not in a household where they don't get food or water and are literally kicked around. I don't know how easy it would be to rehome them as it was tried before without success.

I have spoke to Bri over the phone about things concerning her mom. Health wise and such and Bri's mom doesn't want to listen to anything anyone has to say even Bri. That girl cried to me about what if's and the fact her mom gets anger when she tries to talk to her about stopping smoking, changing the take out diet and taking her meds. She has begged her mother and gets told to mind her own business. Like she said to me she doesn't want to lose her mom but her mom won't listen to anyone. Her mother does need conselling in my opinion and so does Bri because of the situation she is living in. She has no other role model but her mom and she knows things that no child should have to know or worry about that happens in her household.

Maybe it isn't my place to tell some of these things but I think people need to understand it is not her doing. She has not seen one penny of the money that went into the pet fund. Once I speak to Bri. If I have to I will call her. To make sure it is ok to share about the situation and circumstances of the birthday money and outfit. Then I will let you in on that info.

I'll shut up now and get blasted for being stupid and blind and gullible. That's fine. But this girl needs someone in her corner to try to atleast understand her. And think about it. If she is doing and saying all these things for attention (mostly negative) she needs understanding cause there is obviously something wrong. IF that is the case then something is lacking somewhere and she needs help don't ya think. Enough said probably more than enough. Blast away.

wombat2u2004

07-31-2007, 07:59 AM

I'll shut up now and get blasted for being stupid and blind and gullible. That's fine. Blast away.

Nope !!!!! No blasting from here. I agree with every word you say.
Bri is your mate, you've stood by her, that's what mates do....they stand for each other.
Wom

K9soul

07-31-2007, 08:29 AM

I have no doubt Bri is in a difficult situation and I don't feel any of this situation was an attempt at a scam on her part, however if her mother is having trouble putting food on the table and paying the electric bill, four (or more) pets is too many. As I understand it, some of these pets were here before this financial crisis and did not receive routine care, i.e. spaying and shots, even then. The situation is not fair to the animals and not fair to the child involved. At least some of them should be rehomed for both the family's sake and the animals' sakes.

A large part of the problem as far as the clash between the board and Bri has been her own attitude. When people have given advice or suggestions she did not like, or questioned things that she felt shouldn't be questioned, she became rude and sarcastic with lots of rolling eyes emotes, etc. This whole blow-up may not have happened if she had remained patient and polite with people even when they said things she did not wish to "hear." You aren't going to gain much empathy and understanding that way. I hope she can learn something by all of this but it seems she is stuck in the mind set that she's the victim and everyone else just out to get her. It's going to make life more difficult if she can't change that way of thinking and reacting to those around her. I certainly do hope and pray for the best for both people and pets involved.

Ginger's Mom

07-31-2007, 09:13 AM

I have no doubt Bri is in a difficult situation and I don't feel any of this situation was an attempt at a scam on her part, however if her mother is having trouble putting food on the table and paying the electric bill, four (or more) pets is too many. As I understand it, some of these pets were here before this financial crisis and did not receive routine care, i.e. spaying and shots, even then. The situation is not fair to the animals and not fair to the child involved. At least some of them should be rehomed for both the family's sake and the animals' sakes. .
I cannot agree with this more. I have said this over and over again. No one is helping Bri or her animals by keeping the animals in the home. They do not have the money, time, knowledge or patience to care for that many animals. It is only adding to the stress and financial hardship. Those that want to help Brianna need to assist in finding good homes for her animals, and be there to support her in her certain grief at having to give up some of her beloved animals. I do not know if the family is in a position to keep any of the animals, I would like to think that Bri could maintain at least one of her pets, but I am not sure if that is a realistic goal for this family. What those who are truly interested in being a friend to Bri need to do is gather around her, let her know that she is still a good and worthwhile person without the anilmals in her life, and that they will still be there for her. They then need to do whatever they can to assist in finding appropriate homes for the animals. It would be great if Bri would assist in this process since she knows the animals better than anyone, but it is understandable if it would be to difficult for her to do so.

Marigold2

07-31-2007, 09:17 AM

As in every story there is much hidden and not said. Perhaps this girls mom has deeper problems then we know. Perhaps for her it's a struggle to find happiness on a daily basis.

If you are raised by someone who is dishonest, lazy, abuses drugs, drinks, you don't have a good role model. I am not saying her mom does any of these things I am speaking in general. Still if this girl's home life is unhappy she will have a hard time. Sometimes one person is all you have and if that person is not a good parent you feel very much alone in the world.

None of us really knows how bad it is for her or how good. If she has a snotty attitude that could be a defense against pain. We all know that many angry people are pain ridden and this is how they cope.

I want to end by saying I hope all goes well for her and the pets and that mom and daughter gets some therapy.

finn's mom

07-31-2007, 09:21 AM

I have never read any of the threads asking for donations. Her threads were too young for me to enjoy from the very beginning. I hope they get help, as it sounds like it is needed. I do hope they will rehome the pets they have and focus on themselves and their needs.

Catty1

07-31-2007, 09:33 AM

I remembered this from a 12-step meeting ages ago...that there are often a lot of animals in dysfunctional families. Why? The kids receive love, unconditional at that. Her screen name says 'Roxy loves me', not 'I love Roxy'.

Another trait of DFs is that the child winds up having to act as a parent or an adult, the responsible one. She has said she could never leave because her mom needs her. What about what BRI needs?

I hope when Bri returns to school she will see the school counsellor, and find out that the behaviour she puts up with is not normal or loving (although her mom loves her, I am sure), and that it affects her badly.

Bri - we learn from our parents. If you ever have kids, you will treat them the way your mom treats you. The only way to prevent that is to start changing yourself now. The school counsellors are there to help, to talk to - and they don't gossip (it's against the law).

You deserve better, the best. Go for it.

hugs

shais_mom

07-31-2007, 09:51 AM

Nope !!!!! No blasting from here. I agree with every word you say.
Bri is your mate, you've stood by her, that's what mates do....they stand for each other.
Wom

ditto here -
I certainly don't think your blind and gullible or stupid -
While I may not agree with you about her or her for that matter, I think what you've done for her is noble and outstanding. And just b/c I don't agree with you does not mean I would call you blind, gullible or stupid or even think that.

Catty1

07-31-2007, 01:52 PM

Please read all this before you respond (or not, as the case may be ;) ):

1. This is the reply from the shelter I got a few minutes ago:

we would need the address and we can enforce the rabies. we will be happy to talk about spaying and neutering, nothing we can force on them though. the humane society has grant money to pay for spay/neuter, if they will contact the humane society. 423-926-8533

2. I replied that removing the animals right now would be too hard on the young woman, as most shelters are really stressed to the max.

I will PM Bri the Humane Society info.

Needless to say, I am NOT providing an address or anything...that means the animals would die. Period. High-kill shelter. So I hope no one even THINKS about that. :mad:

That's all for now.

kittycats_delight

07-31-2007, 02:00 PM

If that is the case and the humane society has spay/neuter funds maybe Bri will be eligible. I can't imagine why they wouldn't be seeing their current finacial situation. That would be good all the way around. Atleast then they are all good for another year healthwise and it gives Bri's mom a chance to get things together if she is willing and able to do so.

Priorities most certainly have to change and maybe Bri's mom will finally allow her to get a job of some sorts. I just hope things work out. Things definately need to change for the better for them. Not just for themselves but for the animals too. And things have to change both for mom & Bri's physical and mental health as well. The way they are right now is not healthy in anyway shape or form. I just want what is best for them because inside all the anger, attitude and sadness Bri is a lovely girl. She just needs a normal life with not all the stresses of dealing with the worries of an adult world (financial and otherwise).

Please read all this before you respond (or not, as the case may be ;) ):

1. This is the reply from the shelter I got a few minutes ago:

2. I replied that removing the animals right now would be too hard on the young woman, as most shelters are really stressed to the max.

I will PM Bri the Humane Society info.

Needless to say, I am NOT providing an address or anything...that means the animals would die. Period. High-kill shelter. So I hope no one even THINKS about that. :mad:

That's all for now.

Logan

07-31-2007, 02:22 PM

I had no idea that this post was even here. I am the one who took responsibility for having Gizzie spayed. I'm glad I could.

I have no idea what the uproar is about, otherwise, as I haven't received any other monetary gifts through Paypal or through the mail. I have Rhonda's cell phone number (Bri's mother) and I have spoken to her once before. She was very appreciative of our efforts to help them, and we did, at least with one pet.

I tried to help Candace in her effort to help Bri and her pets. That was it. And we know that all money that came to me was sent directly to Northridge Animal Hospital to pay for Gizzie's spay. I have a receipt from them to prove it.

Ginger's Mom

07-31-2007, 02:40 PM

Since the fact that the animals aren't spayed and neutered isn't really the problem in the household at this time, it really doesn't help at all. What is needed is someone who is connected with a no kill shelter that is willing to take the animals in until suitable housing can be found for them. Bri is going to need your support, don't let her down by letting her think that finding a low cost spay/neuter clinic is going to make everything alright. It will only prolong the problems.

Catty1

07-31-2007, 03:35 PM

Bri is going to need your support, don't let her down by letting her think that finding a low cost spay/neuter clinic is going to make everything alright. It will only prolong the problems.

Good point - but they will be easier to rehome if they are spayed and neutered, don't you think?

It would be great if they could be fostered somewhere in Bri's city, as she could still see them every so often. Maybe the Humane Society has temporary fosters...I am sure they would be willing to help with the whole situation if Bri and her mom asked.

caseysmom

07-31-2007, 03:39 PM

Ginger's Mom

07-31-2007, 03:45 PM

I can't believe all of this, she has asked for money lots of times, the majority of people are saying forget it you spend your money unwisely so take care of it. Now catty you were defending her, now you are calling animal control and trying to rehome the pets. Sure they may be better off somewhere else but is it really your business? The pets are fed and as far as we can tell they are loved, this is getting a bit over the edge if you ask me. just my opinion.
Catty1 didn't call animal control to rehome the pets, she called them for suggestions as to what resources were available to help with the pets. I am the one who said (and has been saying) that the animals should be rehomed. And it is my (our?) business because Bri initially brought all of this to a head by asking for help to rehome Gizzy because of behavioral problems, which led to the spay suggestion and money drive. As a pet caring community we should be doing what we can to help these animals and at the same time to help this family.

Edited to Add: And as to your question Catty1, no I don't think having them neutered and spayed before being placed with a rescue will make a difference. I don't think rescue societies turn down animals because they aren't altered.

Alysser

07-31-2007, 04:01 PM

Caseysmom, I don't think catty called AC to rehome the pets. She e-mailed them for suggestions one exactly what to do. She stated that she wouldn't call AC in that area because the dogs/cats/etc. would be put to sleep if she did.

caseysmom

07-31-2007, 04:04 PM

Thanks everyone it just seemed like it was headed that way or something.

Edwina's Secretary

07-31-2007, 04:43 PM

Logan

07-31-2007, 05:24 PM

Good point - but they will be easier to rehome if they are spayed and neutered, don't you think?

It would be great if they could be fostered somewhere in Bri's city, as she could still see them every so often. Maybe the Humane Society has temporary fosters...I am sure they would be willing to help with the whole situation if Bri and her mom asked.

I have to tell you that in my experience, once a pet is rehomed, it is easier on all parties to let the adoption go through with no further interaction from the previous owner. I faced this situation, just last week, with Ben's adoptive family, asking to come see him and bring some more of his "things" to me. It was a hard call to make, but I had to tell them "no thanks". I think it would have been terribly confusing for him to see them and think maybe he had been on vacation for two weeks and was going to go back with them.

I have no idea whether Bri and Rhonda are even thinking of rehoming their pets (and I seriously doubt it), but if they do, Bri does not need to visit them in their new homes.

I'm so sorry that this whole issue has turned ugly. We tried to help and we did help with Gizzie, but it is up to Rhonda and Bri to make the next step in being responsible owners.

Logan, Honey, Baby Mack, Ben, Butter, Roger, Milly and Otto

Catty1

07-31-2007, 08:04 PM

Posted by Catholic:
No one in that family seems like they DESERVES pets. Yep. I am totally judging them. I would really have a problem if they lived near me, and, as a community of pet lovers, I don't get how anyone could support this behaviour.

I edited my post because Karen asked me too. I love how two faced those of you who cried to her about it are.

1. First, for those who think I was calling Animal Control to seize the pets, go back and read the ENTIRE CONTENTS of #104. I think I state pretty clearly that I was NOT giving them the address, even if I had it. ES and caseysmom, I assume English IS your first language? ;)

2. Regarding Catholic's part of post above - it's clear to me that some people here had much more knowledge of the situation than others. I was not one of the more informed people. I am now. That's not two-faced. That is learning more about the situation.

Even prior to that, I did shudder when Bri blatantly posted about asking for money again. Ugh. Not cool.

3. I cannot believe that anyone would think I was serious about calling child welfare - Bri could do that herself, if she wanted to. As I said in the post following, I was "grasping at a wet straw." I was just wishing something could be done about the situation.

Heavens...

shais_mom

07-31-2007, 08:21 PM

ES and caseysmom, I assume English IS your first language? ;)

Heavens...
I
Can't
Believe
you have the GALL to say this. These are adults here.
I was just starting to change my opinion of you.
Glad you stopped that.

caseysmom

07-31-2007, 08:22 PM

Yes english is my first language but I am wondering why you asked them what they could do regarding enforcing no rabies shots, why ask?

sasvermont

07-31-2007, 08:23 PM

:eek: Please.

caseysmom

07-31-2007, 08:25 PM

I
Can't
Believe
you have the GALL to say this. These are adults here.
I was just starting to change my opinion of you.
Glad you stopped that.

I don't get angry it just gives me some insight into who I am communicating with.

Catty1

07-31-2007, 08:29 PM

Well, if you two had read the post with the AC email response, and my statement about what I would and would not do, those stupid accusations of my wanting AC to rehome the animals would not have been made.

I am patient, usually - but come on, you didn't read the whole post, or you wouldn't have jumped to those conclusions!

And see - you are not being two-faced; you are just learning more about me. :p

I simply will not stand for false accusations against me when I have clearly written the facts which differ.

Gall? You bet!!! :D

caseysmom

07-31-2007, 08:33 PM

I did not mean your were trying to have animal control rehome the pets the and was connecting 2 separate thoughts.

Catty1

07-31-2007, 08:39 PM

I did not mean your were trying to have animal control rehome the pets the and was connecting 2 separate thoughts.

Okay. NP.

Can we go back to being civil, even if not friendly?

I suppose...it bears thinking about...because the family pets that have no choice or say in what happens - I think that is one reason this thread roils with emotion. The family's actions are reprehensible and tragic...but the situation of the helpless pets even more.

:(

Edwina's Secretary

07-31-2007, 08:59 PM

1. First, for those who think I was calling Animal Control to seize the pets, go back and read the ENTIRE CONTENTS of #104. I think I state pretty clearly that I was NOT giving them the address, even if I had it. ES and caseysmom, I assume English IS your first language? ;)

Even prior to that, I did shudder when Bri blatantly posted about asking for money again. Ugh. Not cool.

3. I cannot believe that anyone would think I was serious about calling child welfare - Bri could do that herself, if she wanted to. As I said in the post following, I was "grasping at a wet straw." I was just wishing something could be done about the situation.

Heavens...

English is my first language. Rudeness and busybodiness is not.

You sent me a pm soliciting contributing to this situation. I did not contribute.

Then I see you suggest contacting child welfare (I have NO idea what a wet straw is)....and then you contact animal welfare IN HER TOWN. Not exactly your backyard. And you "outline the situation to them."

I thought it out of line when I read it and I think it out of line now.

Catty1

07-31-2007, 09:52 PM

Well, nobody else was doing anything to perhaps create a solution. If they were, please let me know - I may have missed a post.

"Grasping at straws" is a common expression regarding thinking of weak ideas to solve a certain situation. I used "wet" to indicate limp and even more useless than the regular straws regarding calling child welfare. In that post, I did not mention calling them myself; I wrote "Family Services" and mentioned Bri's name. There are people who know her much better than I do, and that would have been for them to consider, not me. Again, I did not intend to call them, and I do apologize if that was construed from my post.

You did not contribute and that was your right. A request is not an order. I am very aware of that.

I was in touch with the shelter before to get information on applying for Gizzie's spay, so it's not like this was out of the blue. I got advice, passed on some of the information, and did not act on the rest.

IMO - the internet has created a lot of global backyards. If I can get information quickly, and it may be of use, I will do that.

If in the process of organizing Gizzie's spay, NO ONE had ever heard of the Humane Society offering spay-neuter grants, I feel that was worth mentioning.

Edwina's Secretary

07-31-2007, 10:04 PM

Perhaps Animal Control in Bri's city should be notified? Lack of proper care?

Wow...posts disappearing from a thread about disappearing threads....eerie isn't it?

Hope the one quoted above doesn't "disappear"....

Catty1

07-31-2007, 10:22 PM

I deleted those two as they were being misinterpreted...I could have rewritten them, but I doubt they would have been re-read.

There were comments aplenty on them, so it's not like the content has disappeared.

They seem to get much more attention if they're deleted. They weren't important...if there's a way to put them back in, and Karen can tell me, I will. If I'm not washing my hair or patting the cat or some other urgent thing.

ES - JMO, but you seem to want to win this one. I offer to you a suggestion that someone offered to me many years ago: "You can be right, or you can be happy."

I wish I was sorry and felt like apologizing to you and grovelling in sheep manure for my deleted posts. But I don't.

Deal with it.

Edwina's Secretary

07-31-2007, 10:33 PM

Sorry....I am right...and happy. :D :D :D

Deal with it.

wombat2u2004

07-31-2007, 10:47 PM

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go." -- Oscar Wilde

Catty1

07-31-2007, 10:48 PM

Okay...you just didn't "sound" happy. Glad you are smiling now.

Edwina's Secretary

07-31-2007, 11:31 PM

Okay...you just didn't "sound" happy. Glad you are smiling now.

Make no mistake about it. Exposing a liar makes me smile. :D :D You said...
Perhaps Animal Control in Bri's city should be notified? Lack of proper care?

and then you said....
First, for those who think I was calling Animal Control to seize the pets, go back and read the ENTIRE CONTENTS of #104.

Those are two contradictory statements.

That is very polite "english" on my part. I could be far more blunt. You see...it is my first language. And I understand it very well.

I don't know "Bri" from a hole in the ground. Could not care less.

But....as someone once said to me..."the truth will set you free..."

ratdogg

07-31-2007, 11:40 PM

ok, the only reason I feel I should contribute is cause I have deleted posts and felt the wrath of some people as a result.....

I did notice that Catty1 deleted her posts. I really hope this thread doesn't focus on that. I also think Catty1 is being put on the defensive side for crossing the internet / real world line to do some research on solutions to roxyluvsme13's problem.

I think perhaps her actions were misunderstood. I think her response to the criticism about "rehoming" the pets further aggravated people. I think asking if english was a first language might have offended some people. Then it seems like she tried to make amends but not everyone was ready to accept.

Pre-emptive Plea:
I think it would be a mistake to let this thread focus on Catty1 and her deleted posts. Maybe its time for this thread to end? I think we've all agreed that generosity can be taken advantage of and caution should always be used. Also, just cause you donate money doesn't mean you have any say in how the recepient's other finances are handled.

wombat2u2004

07-31-2007, 11:46 PM

Make no mistake about it. Exposing a liar makes me smile. :D :D You said...

and then you said....

Those are two contradictory statements.

That is very polite "english" on my part. I could be far more blunt. You see...it is my first language. And I understand it very well.

I don't know "Bri" from a hole in the ground. Could not care less.

But....as someone once said to me..."the truth will set you free..."

Whoaaaaaaa.....you're a nasty bit of work !!!!!
Whatever you're drinking ES.....then you should be watering it down.
Wom

Catty1

07-31-2007, 11:46 PM

AC will only go to a person's house if the animals have not had their rabies shots. For no other reason.

After the first post, I read posts that a) said that someone had done this to Bri one time out of revenge, and that the animals would be PTS if they came out a second time, and b) finding out from the shelter themselves that they would only come out for reasons of rabies shots not being up-to-date.

Also found out about the Humane Society grants, but that's an aside.

The second post you quoted - both phrases end in question marks.

I don't know why you say I am lying when it seems clear that I acquired more information as this went along. Regarding a) and b) above - that certainly informed and mitigated any actions I took.

If I had known all this AHEAD of time, then lying might be an appropriate accusation. I just see no grounds for it here.

Edwina's Secretary

07-31-2007, 11:47 PM

Whoaaaaaaa.....you're a nasty bit of work !!!!!
Whatever you're drinking ES.....then you should be watering it down.
Wom

Many are those who find the truth a nasty thing..... :D :D :D

Edwina's Secretary

07-31-2007, 11:51 PM