Sherman #369 He is gone.

[cyber-sibes]

Well, looks like we're going tro get to find a new vet immediately here in our new home. Sherman suddenly developed a cough about 2 days ago. It's very dry, nothing comes out, but he keeps hacking. His eyes have icky goobies, and I noticed some blood drops on the ground where he's been hacking. I looked up all the symptoms and it sounds like Kennel Cough. Odd, because I had him vaccinated against this for the first time with his shots last Dec. He's never had it before.

I read that I can use an over-the-counter human cough supressent to try to give him some relief till we get into a vet. Any suggestions on what works well? I don't have any in the house, so I'll be going out to get some.

What a bummer. :( He & Star were cooped up nose to nose in the car for a 16 hour drive, so I wouldn't be surprised if she gets it too. She had two days of digestive problems when we got here, and ate her first real meal last night. I have them seperated now, and am hoping we can get in somewhere first thing Monday morning.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Sherman suddenly developed a cough about 2 days ago.

I read that I can use an over-the-counter human cough supressent
to try to give him some relief till we get into a vet.
Any suggestions on what works well?

Poor Sherman! :(

Here's some research:

From: http://www.workingdogs.com/deboerken_cough.htm
You'll have to *click* & *read* - has copy prevention on the article.

From: http://www.k911.biz/Petsafety/DogCough.htm

Persistent, hacking cough
Sounds as if he has a bone lodged in his throat
Retches after coughing, producing a white, foamy discharge
Gags when highly excited
If your dog displays any of the above symptoms, he may have what is known as "kennel cough". Kennel cough is a misnomer since the majority of dogs afflicted have not been in kennels at all but have been exposed to other dogs carrying the organisms which cause tracheobronchitis. The cough is brought on by an inflammation of the trachea (windpipe) and bronchi (the air passages to the lungs).

Some dogs also develop conjunctivitis ("pink eye"), rhinitis (inflamed nasal mucous membrane), and a nasal discharge. A rough estimation is that 80 to 90% of the cases of kennel cough are usually caused by the bacteria, Bordetella bronchiseptica. The other 10 to 20% of cases are caused by a variety of other infectious agents, most of them viral. Kennel cough has been associated with Para influenza virus, adenovirus and canine distemper virus as well as the Bordetella bacteria.

The virus is fairly contagious so if one dog has it, chances are all the others in the household will quickly become infected. In some dogs it can lead to pneumonia. The incubation period from the time a dog is exposed until clinical signs appear varies depending on which infectious agent is the cause. In general it appears to be about 3 to 5 days with Bordetella.

Most cases of kennel cough are not serious, and will run the course on their own within two weeks. Some vets feel that it is best not to use antibiotics since it is almost always self limiting and the organism is a normal inhabitant of the upper airways. Treating with antibiotics could lead to resistance problems and the most serious complication like pneumonia, would be difficult to treat if it occurred.

The uncomplicated form of the disease usually lasts for approximately ten days. Complicated kennel cough, usually a combination of virus and bacteria, should always be treated with antibiotics and may last 14-20 days. In mild cases, dogs will be alert and continue to eat normally. In more severe cases, a dog can become feverish, depressed, lethargic, expel a thick yellow or green nasal discharge, and possibly even develop pneumonia. Some very severe cases are fatal.

If your dog has the uncomplicated form of kennel cough, your main objective would be to make him as comfortable as possible so he can give his esophagus a rest. Too much coughing and gagging could result in him spitting up small amounts of blood as a result of the constant irritation. To avoid this, a cough suppressant can be used. A children's cough suppressant is best, along with a CHILD'S dosage. Do not administer an adult dosage for your dog nor use adult medication.

If you suspect your dog has kennel cough, keep all food, water bowls, and toys separate from your healthy dogs. Additionally, some pathogens that cause kennel cough can be transmitted from dog to dog via fomites (inanimate objects that carry disease-causing germs that spread infections. Fomites are one of the most common ways that kids get sick...dogs too!). After having contact with the infected dog, wash yourself and your clothes, and disinfect your shoes before coming into contact with your healthy dogs."
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From: http://www.2ndchance.info/cough.htm Ron Hines DVM PhD 4/24/06

Kennel Cough In Dogs:
Kennel cough of dogs, also called infectious tracheobronchitis, is cause by the bacteria, Bordatella bronchiseptica. The signs of parainfluenza virus and Canine Adeno-2 virus can be indistinguishable from kennel cough and often the two or three organisms work in tandem along with mycoplasma to cause the cough.
Soft dry coughs and sneezing are the two most common signs of this disease. They begin 3-7 days after the dog was exposed to another sick pet. Some dogs with this problem only cough when they are excited. Kennel cough is highly contagious and passes directly from dog to dog at kennels, grooming parlors, pet stores, doggy parks and humane societies. Dogs with this disease rarely feel ill although they may vomit food and foam due to enlarged tonsils and tracheal irritation. In healthy dogs, the cough lasts seven days to three weeks. But it can persist much longer in flat-faced breeds or dogs with narrow tracheas (windpipes).
I have never seen a case of kennel cough that endangered a pet’s life. It is not clear that antibiotics speed recovery from this disease. But I place many dogs on antibiotics for a week or two, chiefly because owners are so annoyed by the constant racket. If the cough is not too severe I dispense a guaifenesin-based cough syrup. If guaifenesin is not sufficient to control the cough I put them on the narcotic cough suppressant, Hycodan. Humidifiers help clear mucous from the throat allowing the dog to breath easier.
Dogs that are frequently exposed to other pets should receive a kennel cough vaccination every six to twelve months. The intranasal vaccine is more effective than injectable products. Vaccinating a dog the day it goes to the kennel is valueless – it takes a good week to ten days for the vaccine to protect.

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FEEL BETTER SOON, Sherm!!

[lizbud]

I know how psycially draining it is to travel so far for humans & pups
too. I think the hacking sound Sherman is making, hurts you more than it
does him. I hope you can contact a Vet soon.Get well soon Sherman.

[Glacier]

Make sure it's strictly a cough suppressant and treats no other symptoms. I can't remember which one we used when kennel cough went through here. Ask the pharmacist, they should be able to find the right stuff.

Starr will likely get it. Raven got it first here and over the course of three weeks, every dog except two got it. Every dog for 100 miles around here had kennel cough that spring. It is an airborne virus so if your neighbors have dogs, they might get it too.

The vaccine is like the human flu shot, effective only for specific strains. If the dog is exposed to a different strain, they will still get kennel cough.

Hope Sherman is feeling better soon.

[dragondawg]

Well, looks like we're going tro get to find a new vet immediately here in our new home. Sherman suddenly developed a cough about 2 days ago. It's very dry, nothing comes out, but he keeps hacking. His eyes have icky goobies, and I noticed some blood drops on the ground where he's been hacking. I looked up all the symptoms and it sounds like Kennel Cough. Odd, because I had him vaccinated against this for the first time with his shots last Dec. He's never had it before.

I read that I can use an over-the-counter human cough supressent to try to give him some relief till we get into a vet. Any suggestions on what works well? I don't have any in the house, so I'll be going out to get some.

What a bummer. :( He & Star were cooped up nose to nose in the car for a 16 hour drive, so I wouldn't be surprised if she gets it too. She had two days of digestive problems when we got here, and ate her first real meal last night. I have them seperated now, and am hoping we can get in somewhere first thing Monday morning.

Robutussin cough syrup- children's dosage can be used. Make absolutely sure it does not have Tylenol, or any other pain-fever reducers added in. Since there is alcohol in the syrup, the chances of you getting puppy to take it straight is very slim. Mix it in with a little milk to dilute the alcohol fumes up the nose, and add in a little honey.

If your dog received the kennel cough shot, then it's only good for 6 months. The nasal vaccine is suppose to be good for 1 yr, but that assumes it was administered correctly, and the dog didn't sneaze 99% of it back out on the floor.

If Sherman coughed any time during the car ride, or Star trotted over a coughed on surface, she has already been exposed. Then it comes down to whether her vaccination will protect her. If you mention to the Vet you suspect kennel cough, they will probably wisk you right into an exam room to keep their entry area clean. Faster service. ;)

Antibiotics make a dramatic difference in speeding recover. The Bordetella that quickly follow up the viral infection seem to be responsible for most of the symptoms. Usually 48 hrs after the start of antibiotics the dog is asymptomatic.

[cyber-sibes]

Thanks, all.
He had the Bordetella injectible vaccine in January.
I got him some Tussin and have given him a childrens dose twice now.
I disinfected the water & food bowls, the rug he lays on, and sprayed Lysol on the carpet where he's been lying in the house. Poor guy, I know he's confused. He's standing under my window crying to come in, and it's raining. :( Boy do I feel like a crummy dog-mom, I wish he understood it's not that I don't want to let him in, but I can't.

I hope we can find a vet who will see him early tomorrow. I was thinking that I would leave him in the car till they're ready to see him so he's not hacking all over the waiting room. Gosh, he sounds awful. :(
Please keep my sweet boy in your thoughts.

[LuckyNumber7]

When my puppy had kennel cough, my vet strongly discouraged my from using any kind of cough medication. Sometimes, kennel cough can turn into pneumonia, and it can be a productive cough....you dont want to stop your dog from coughing nasty stuff out of its lungs.

Sometimes, it can lead to secondary issues like conjunctivitis, and like I mentioned, pneumonia, which is not pretty at all. If your dog is coughing up blood droplets, I hope you were able to make it a vet appointment ASAP, because I have never heard of that with kennel cough before, and probably means it's somewhat severe.

The problem with the bordatella vaccine is that there are SO many different bacteria that cause kennel cough, that it's impossible for the vaccine to protect against all of them. Antibiotics can help it go away faster, and prevent secondary infection, but every dog that I have known with kennel cough has taken weeks to clear up.

Good luck!!

[cyber-sibes]

Sherman is on the road to recovery. :)
It took a couple calls, but we found a vet's office that would take him at 10 am. They were very nice, and he's got anti-biotics and a cough supressant. He's been hacking his head off for 48 hours, but of course as soon as we walked into the vets, he didn't cough once. :rolleyes:
Found out that RI only honors a 3-yr. rabies shot for 2 years ( :confused: ), so he also got his rabies now instead of next winter, and a vaccination against lyme disease (they have lots of it here).
He coughed again as soon as we got home, but I'm hoping by this evening it will subside. He can stay inside, too. Star's been exposed so if she gets it, she gets it They said some dogs appear to be carriers but not suffer from it themselves, so maybe she'll continue to be fine.
Thanks for all your good thoughts.

[pitc9]

My dearest Shermie.....
I'm so sorry you've been coughin' but I'm glad to hear you're on your way to getting better! Make sure to take all your medicine!!

Glad you all made it to your new home safely! What a crummie way to start out life in your new town huh?
Guess you should have just stayed here in Ohio! ;)

Hope you don't give this icky stuff to your sister!!

Smooches and tail wags...
Yours always... Sierra.

[BC_MoM]

When Molly was sick with kennel cough as a pup, we gave her 1 1/2 tablespoons of plain yogurt everyday. It's a probiotic. I suggest giving it to Sherman to help his out his body.

[Ginger's Mom]

Just seeing this now, sorry to hear about Sherman it must have made the trip even more nerve-wrecking than normal. As a true pet lover who is the first person you meet in your new town...the veterinarian, of course. :) I sure hope Mr. Sherman is feeling better soon, and that Star doesn't suffer any adverse reaction to being coughed on. ;)

[Freedom]

Oh Sherman, you did NOT get that ickingness here in RI; you got it at the dog park visit before you moved. :D

Glad to hear that you are doing better!

Pat, yah, it is a nuisance with the rabies shots. Mass. honors the 3 year, RI only 2. So I go to a vet in Mass, get the 3 year shot, and a certificate which says it is only good for 2 years. Go figure! Sugar came from Ohio, her documents showed the 3 years shot, but she is set up to get it again after 2 years. :( It just depends on the local laws.

Now the cats, they were also getting the 3 year, valid for 2. But now my vet is giving Purevax, which is only tested and valid for ONE year. Oh joy. Next year, I get to have all NINE cats AND THE DOG in for rabies shots. (I had the cats staggered, half each year.) Now THAT should be an interesting vet visit! (Not to mention a bill!)

[cyber-sibes]

Oh Sherman, you did NOT get that ickingness here in RI; you got it at the dog park visit before you moved. :D Well, he may have also gotten it waiting in the vets office to get those daggers of his clipped off before we left. :rolleyes: He's much much better today. Only heard one cough all night!

[Freedom]

Oh great news that he is feeling better; and you are ALL getting some sleep!

[ipodee]

my dog has the above symptoms for 2 years now

vet says it's trachea collapse but x-rays show that the tracheas are in shape

he doesn't cough blood but from time to time, especially when the weather changes, he will cough and retch badly and somtimes cough out white mucus.

He coughs when excited and even when he drinks...

I am thinking of getting a kids' cough syrup since the vet says let it be...

other than that, my dog's health is very good and he's active and eating well for a 10 year-old shih tzu

[cyber-sibes]

my dog has the above symptoms for 2 years nowWelcome to Pettalk, and I'm glad you posted. With the anit-biotics & cough meds, Sherman was good for almost a week, but yesterday he started coughing & gaging something terrible. He coughed numerous spatters of blood, and at one point some gobs of blood-laced muccus. He coughed so hard for so long that our new neighbor came out and asked if he was ok - said they could hear him and were afraid he was choking on something. Me thinks we'll be heading back to the vets on Monday.
In the meanwhile....I massaged his neck quite a bit, he finally stopped coughing. Got a pediatric grape-flaored cough syrup that he will take more willingly than the adult stuff. I also melted down some root-beer flavored cough drops & gave them to him last night. But he's obviously not feeling well - he's extremely lethargic. I slept downstairs next to him and he was quiet all night, but I hate seeing my sweet boy so out of it. :(
Please send some good thoughts his way.

[lizbud]

I'm sorry to hear about Sherman still having the cough. :( Poor fella.
I sure hope the Vet can trace the cause of this. His throat sounds like
it would be so sore & irritated. :( Prayers that the Doc can find something
that helps him quick. Hang in there Sherman.

[Cinder & Smoke]

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/eek.gif

Herrow, GOD!

OMG! Our Gud Buddie Sherman is havin a ree-lapse! http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif

He's back to <koffin> an <hackin> again - feelz kinda louzie! http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif

Kan You <slip> him in to see his New White Coat furst thing on Monday?
We'd 'preciate dat ... so would his Mom!

Meantyme --- we'z gonna be Krossin Pawz & Klawz that the Home Remedy
Stuff
that Mom's been kookin up keeps werkin!
"Warm rooty-beer Koffin Dropz" sounds purdy **Yummie** to us!

FEEL BETTER SOON, Sherm!!

THANKS, God!

/s/ the Prayer Pups

[Freedom]

Oh Pat, I feel so sorry for Sherman! I do hope you can find things to help him feel comfortable until the white coats and figure out a solution for all this coughing. Prayers for Sherman!!

[luvofallhorses]

poor guy. :( we had a dog at the shelter where I volunteer that was a huge black lab that we adopted out and he came down with kennel cough and I think the vet treated him with antibiodics. they may give him another vaccine to be on the safe side. please keep us posted and I hope you are able to find a new vet soon! how far away is the vet you used to use?

[cyber-sibes]

how far away is the vet you used to use?750 miles! We just moved. The first Monday we were here, I found a new vet clinic just a couple miles away. They were able to get him in in a couple hours, I'll hope they can do it again this Monday, too. Thanks for your prayers, I'm really worried about him.

[lizbud]

750 miles! We just moved. The first Monday we were here, I found a new vet clinic just a couple miles away. They were able to get him in in a couple hours, I'll hope they can do it again this Monday, too. Thanks for your prayers, I'm really worried about him.


Pat, could you tell me if this Vet gave Sherman a shot of antibiotic meds
as well as the tablets to take daily? My vet usually does this for my guys
when they come down with something. It really seems to jump start the
healing process.

[ramanth]

Oh Pat, I'm so sorry to hear Sherman is not well. I hope the vet can ease his coughing. *HUGS*

[dragondawg]

Welcome to Pettalk, and I'm glad you posted. With the anit-biotics & cough meds, Sherman was good for almost a week, but yesterday he started coughing & gaging something terrible. He coughed numerous spatters of blood, and at one point some gobs of blood-laced muccus. He coughed so hard for so long that our new neighbor came out and asked if he was ok - said they could hear him and were afraid he was choking on something. Me thinks we'll be heading back to the vets on Monday.
In the meanwhile....I massaged his neck quite a bit, he finally stopped coughing. Got a pediatric grape-flaored cough syrup that he will take more willingly than the adult stuff. I also melted down some root-beer flavored cough drops & gave them to him last night. But he's obviously not feeling well - he's extremely lethargic. I slept downstairs next to him and he was quiet all night, but I hate seeing my sweet boy so out of it. :(
Please send some good thoughts his way.

Lethargy means infection. Most likely puppy has a temperature. Probably the Vet needs to sedate puppy, and examine with an endoscope and take some Xrays. For example there could be a foreign object lodged in the esophagus. Unless there is evidence of pneumonia after a week kennel cough seems less likely. Although there is always a possibility that one is tangling with a bug that has antibiotic resistance to the antibiotic previously prescribed.

[cassiesmom]

Did the vet give you a prescription for Hycodan? It's a synthetic codeine cough suppressant. Sometimes codeine is better at nailing a cough than the over the counter meds. If Sherman is achy from coughing the codeine might help with that too. (You all know what I mean - when you get a cold and you've been coughing like crazy, your muscles just hurt from so much coughing.) I'm sure it will make him more lethargic but if he needs to rest, that might not be a bad thing. Sherman, sweetheart, I'm so sorry to hear that you've been sick. I'm glad that your Mom was able to find a veterinarian who could see you quickly, and I hope that you will feel much, much better P.D.Q.!

[anna_66]

Oh Shermie, I'm sorry that your feeling lousy again. I sure hope that you start feeling better asap.

(Hugs) to you boy.

[Taz_Zoee]

Sherman, I hope you can get some help for your cough. I've had acute bronchitis, so I know how painful all that coughing can be. :(
You and your mommy will be in my thoughts.

[cyber-sibes]

I don't think Sherman got a shot of antibiotics. He took doxycycline and temaril-P. He also received vaccinations for Lyme & rabies.

He slept all day, and even walked away from his dinner - now that's a first. We just got back after a couple hours running errands, he was up and looking a little brighter. He came in & polished off what Star left behind of her dinner, so I guess his appetite is back. The vet mentioned the possibility of pnemonia and/or allergies if his cough didn't improve, so we'll see. He did not have a fever at the vets, and I don't think he has one now, I'm sure they'll retake it tomorrow if they want to see him.

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Poor Sherman! I hope he's feeling better soon.

[pitc9]

Oh Shermie!!
Pleeeease get better soon and be good for the white coats!!
{{hugs}} to you and your mom.
Yours always... Sierra.

[Husky_mom]

poor baby!!......:(

sending husky healing vibes to our precious boy!!

wooo wooo roooo

[Jakesmom]

I don't know if your vet has considered that he might have aspirated a foreign body? If so, he will cough and cough, might have ups and downs, and might cough up blood. He could also get a pneumonia behind what he aspirated, so he might have a fever and secretions. It wouldn't explain the eye goo you mentioned in your first post.

The way to make the diagnosis is to do a bronchoscopy--if you do this, it should be done by a specialty vet who has experience (and equipment) with the technique. Dogs have large trachea's compared with humans, so its not really very risky, but if he has something down there he won't get better until it gets out. Its also possible that he had aspirated something and he coughed it out, and now his trachea is scratched up (he may still cough with this)--steroids should help the swelling if this is the case.

Good luck.

Jakes mom

[cyber-sibes]

The vet put Sherman back on an antibiotic for one more round. This one is cephalexin. If he has more coughing episodes, the next step will be chest xrays. Here's hoping the pills do the trick.

[cassiesmom]

Here's a get-well [[[[[HUG]]]]] for Sherman. Get well soon , sweety!!

[ramanth]

Come on and beat this thing Sherman!

[DixieDad]

After you said he had a fever thoght I should post this.


ALERT
THE THREAT OF DOG FLU
June 15th, 2007. Susan Macfarland sent us this web site information from a veterinary clinic near Arlington, VA:

FIRST CASE OF CANINE INFLUENZA IN VIRGINIA
http://www.burkevet.com/

On Wednesday May 23, 2007 a dog presented to the Burke Veterinary Clinic in Burke, Virginia with symptoms of acute onset of fever, nasal discharge, cough, innapetance, and reluctance to move. These symptoms are consistent with several diseases, but the history suggested Canine Influenza. The dog lived in a restricted environment, but was at the Dog Park on Monday May 21. The illness developed that night and progressed to a dire medical event by Wednesday.

Nasal swabs were tested for influenza by the X-PECT FLU A+B test at a local human hospital. These tests were positive for influenza. Official confirmation will require a sample in 2 weeks to be sent to the testing lab at Cornell University.

The impact of this discovery is serious for the dog owning population because Canine Influenza has a 5% fatality rate, and at the present time there is no effective vaccine. This dog contracted the virus from one of a group of dogs that was playing outdoors at a dog park. The virus is spread by aerosol means. Your dog cannot pick it up from the environment. It is advisable that dogs be kept away from each other until an effective vaccine is available. This means NO DOG PARKS, NO INDOOR GROOMING, NO BOARDING KENNELS, NO GROUP DOG TRAINING CLASSES. The initial presentation mimics Kennel Cough. The distinction is that Influenza usually causes a high fever. Influenza also presents in a similar fashion as Canine Distemper Virus, but this virus has been all but eliminated by proper vaccinations
Further information is available at the Center for Disease Control’s website
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol11no12/05-0810.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/transcripts/t050926.htm
and at Remel (Xpect Flu A&B Test Kits).

Dr. Russell comments:

Dog Flu is a new disease (H3N8, 2004). It is a respiratory virus that was transferred from horses to racing Greyhounds and it has subsequently evolved to be a separate, canine adapted virus. This is how viruses evolve: it is termed an "emergent virus." In this case, the first widespread epidemic occurred in 2005.

New viruses can be dangerously virulent because the host species, in this case dogs, have not been associated with them previously and hence have not evolved any successful antivirus immune responses. Further, the virus, coming from another host, is "unsubtle" in its impact on a new host species. It has not evolved any mechanisms that allow it to quietly lurk and reproduce in its new host species.

Should you be concerned about Dog Flu?
While data are scanty, it appears that dog flu has an infection rate of 16% (16 of 100 dogs exposed to canine flu will develop the disease). Of those, 1-5% will die.

Thus far, the canine flu has proven easily transmitted, but with low mortality. Previous estimates of mortality range from 5-8% in Greyhounds to 1% in other dog breeds. To put this in perspective, West Nile Virus has a mortality of >35% in the American Crow and is currently responsible for enormous population declines in more than 13 species of North American birds. The 1918 Spanish flu [H1N1] pandemic had a mortality of less than 5% in humans. The current H5N1 Bird Flu is not epidemic yet in humans; it has a frightening human mortality rate of 50%.

Dog flu outbreaks have appeared this year in several states. In February and again in April, there were outbreaks in Pittsburgh animal shelters. In March, UC Davis (CA) confirmed three cases of dog flu, two in San Francisco and one in Colorado. This June, the dog flu has appeared in VA (see above) as well as south Florida. Since 2005, Cornell University has tested 5133 samples for dog flu; 857 from many states were positive (as of March; see: http://diaglab.vet.cornell.edu/issues/civ-stat.asp).

The dog flu is not transmissible (yet) to either cats or people. Note that of potentially great future concern, Russian authorities have reported that in Azerbaijan, a stray dog contracted bird flu in March of this year (http://www.regnum.ru/english/606869.html); it had likely eaten an infected bird.

BREAKING NEWS: Today, the 27 countries of the EU approved the first canine flu vaccine called Optiflu made by Norvatis. It has not yet been submitted in the US for FDA approval, so we're out of luck here.

If you dog develops a kennel cough-like cough, you should take him to the vet, especially if the dog has a fever. Please monitor the state of canine flu in your area. Avoid dog-dog contact in areas where outbreaks are known (currently, Virginia and Pennsylvania).
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(c)2007 Dr. R. J. Russell & the CTCA

[ipodee]

Welcome to Pettalk, and I'm glad you posted. With the anit-biotics & cough meds, Sherman was good for almost a week, but yesterday he started coughing & gaging something terrible. He coughed numerous spatters of blood, and at one point some gobs of blood-laced muccus. He coughed so hard for so long that our new neighbor came out and asked if he was ok - said they could hear him and were afraid he was choking on something. Me thinks we'll be heading back to the vets on Monday.
In the meanwhile....I massaged his neck quite a bit, he finally stopped coughing. Got a pediatric grape-flaored cough syrup that he will take more willingly than the adult stuff. I also melted down some root-beer flavored cough drops & gave them to him last night. But he's obviously not feeling well - he's extremely lethargic. I slept downstairs next to him and he was quiet all night, but I hate seeing my sweet boy so out of it. :(
Please send some good thoughts his way.


i hope sherman feels better soon. i understand how you feel... must be hard on you.

thanks to the suggestion i read in one of the posts about getting a children's guaifasen-based cough syrup, my dog is feeling a bit better...

all the best to sherman...

[LuckyNumber7]

I don't think Sherman got a shot of antibiotics. He took doxycycline and temaril-P. He also received vaccinations for Lyme & rabies.

He slept all day, and even walked away from his dinner - now that's a first. We just got back after a couple hours running errands, he was up and looking a little brighter. He came in & polished off what Star left behind of her dinner, so I guess his appetite is back. The vet mentioned the possibility of pnemonia and/or allergies if his cough didn't improve, so we'll see. He did not have a fever at the vets, and I don't think he has one now, I'm sure they'll retake it tomorrow if they want to see him.

They really shouldn't have given him vaccines while he's sick - his immune system is already fighting something, and vaccinating while the immune system is already suppressed a bit is always a bad idea.

This sounds similar to what my puppy Molly went through when I got her. The vets, and the specialists who we saw at the emergency animal hospital ALL told me not to g ive her cough syrup, especially if her cough was productive even a little bit - because the cough suppressant will mean that the gunk doesn't come out of his lungs, because he won't be coughing as much.

I hope he gets better soon. Doxycycline is what my puppy was on for a while, but she wound up needing to be on IV fluids because she got so lethargic and lost her appetite.

Sending prayers for Sherman! I hope it's not pneumonia :(

[dragondawg]

Interesting articles. And if the Sherman has a touch of it or some other virus such as para-influenza, then another round of a wide spectrum antibiotic such as Cephalexin to prevent secondary bacterial infections should speed recovery. Note: Sometimes Cephalexin can cause nausea. Consult with the Vet if it occurs.


This means NO DOG PARKS, NO INDOOR GROOMING, NO BOARDING KENNELS, NO GROUP DOG TRAINING CLASSES.

What the article actually said was:


For the time being, you may now return to boarding kennels, grooming parlors, group dog classes, etc. I am not a fan of dog parks unless the owners use them as "PLAY DATES" with only dogs that are very familiar with each other. DO NOT LET YOUR DOG GET CLOSE TO DOGS YOU DON'T KNOW WELL

Approximately 90% of owners dealing with dog health issues is common sense. If you have a sick dog in the neighborhood, you keep yours away from it. Otherwise there is no reason to confine your dog to the house.

[Ginger's Mom]

Just seeing this now. I am so sorry to hear that handsome Shermie isn't feeling so good. I think he just wants to make sure you get to know the new vet real good. I hope the cephalexin helps. Feel better soon, Sherman.

[cyber-sibes]

I have a question regarding this medication, Cephalexin. Has anyone had any experience with this? I've been reading up on the side effects, and wondered how other dogs responded.

Sherman has had 3 doses now, and I noticed him trembling slightly. (his head & ears) This is NOT listed among its known side effects, so it may or may not be related. Dizziness is listed, so maybe he just feels a little woozy? :( I did read a couple accounts of dogs whose hindquarters seemed to go weak while taking this drug. He's leaking pee, too, but that is listed as a side effect.

I'll call in to the vets if he's still shaking tomorrow.

[Glacier]

I use Cephalexin all the time. I always have a stash of it on hand at home. It's my vet's drug of choice for puncture wounds. A couple of the dogs get a bit nauseous with the first couple doses, but that's the only negative side effect I've seen.

Has Sherman been eating and drinking? If he hasn't been, that could be contributing to his symptoms.

I hope he's feeling better soon.

[Jadapit]

When Diamond tore herself up on the fence, the vet put her on two big bottles of Cephalexin. She didn't have any side effects from it.

I'm sorry Sherman is not feeling well. Poor guy, I hope he feels better soon! You both will be in my thoughts and prayers.

[chocolatepuppy]

Both my Lacey and RB Mandy have taken Cephalexin many times with no problems. I am keeping Sherman in my prayers.

[Freedom]

Pat, some meds need to be taken with food, not on an empty stomach. I see someone asked if he is eating and drinking.

You can wrap the pill in some peanut butter if above is the problem.

I hope Sherman recovers quickly!

[cyber-sibes]

thanks, I'm glad tohear that people have had good results. I found one web posting that was a list of people whose dogs have had hrrible & life threatening reactions, so I was a bit apprehensive.

Sherman's drinking tons of water. He's eating off & on, not as much as usual, but he is eating. He seems to be craving green beans - eating them first & leaving his kibble. I give him all his pills smothered in a big glob of peanut butter. He loves it and gulps it down, probably doesn't even notice the big pill. His energy is still low, but he seems a bit brighter, his eyes look clearer, like he feels a little better.
thanks for keeping him in your prayers. :)

[pitc9]

Oh Pat... first off {{HUGS}} to you!!
I hope he keeps on getting better and hope he doesn't catch on that the peanut butter is a TRAP!! :eek:
Sierra sends hugs and kisses to her boy toy.

[Catlady711]

I don't think Sherman got a shot of antibiotics. He took doxycycline and temaril-P. He also received vaccinations for Lyme & rabies.....

The vet put Sherman back on an antibiotic for one more round. This one is cephalexin. If he has more coughing episodes, the next step will be chest xrays. Here's hoping the pills do the trick......

I have a question regarding this medication, Cephalexin. Has anyone had any experience with this? I've been reading up on the side effects, and wondered how other dogs responded.




I would be very angry with a vet for giving a vaccination when a dog is sick. That's just not right! A vaccination requires an immune system response and it's very difficult for an animal to fight off any kind of infection while also responding to a vaccine, let alone that might compromise the vaccine's effectiveness also when animals are on steroids we don't vaccinate either. Where I work we NEVER vaccinate a sick animal, NEVER. Although we've had lots of people ask, even when the animal is in for something severe like a broken leg and it's like 'oh while he's here can he get his distemper shot?" GRRRRRRR Would you take a kid to the hospital with a broken leg and ask for a tetanus shot 'while you were there'? NO, it's just wrong!

Aside from my rant there, We use Cephalexin frequently at work, I don't recall anyone every having called about a side effect like that from it. However if he's still on the Temaril-P that could be causing the leaking of pee and drinking alot of water. Prednisolone/steroids can cause thirst, drinking alot of water, and consequently inappropriate urination.

From Pfizer's drug insert on Temaril-P (http://www.pfizerah.com/PAHimages/compliance_pdfs/US_EN_TM_compliance.pdf)

ACTION: The exclusive Temaril-P formula combines the antipruritic and antitussive action of trimeprazine with the anti-inflammatory action of prednisolone.


Medline Plus on Prednisolone/steroid side effects (http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=622)

SIDE EFFECTS
Prednisone and prednisolone have activity in the kidney leading to the conservation of salt. This creates the classical side effects of prednisone/prednisolone use: excessive thirst and excessive urination.

[Glacier]

thanks, I'm glad tohear that people have had good results. I found one web posting that was a list of people whose dogs have had hrrible & life threatening reactions, so I was a bit apprehensive.



You can search just about any drug and find someone who's pet has had a hideous reaction to it! Sometimes the net is just too much information!

Glad Sherman is feeling a bit better.

[cassiesmom]

Cyber-Sibes, how is Shermie today? (Could you give him, Star too, a hug for me.)

[cyber-sibes]

Cyber-Sibes, how is Shermie today? (Could you give him, Star too, a hug for me.)Hugs delivered! I think this second round is helping, it's been 48 hours & he's starting to act more like himself. He came over by the couch for some loving, even tapped me with his paw for more rubs He went upstairs to greet JoJoe this morning, he's picking up his head & looking when he hears things, and even came upstairs again to get me when he needed to go out. Starting to get his bounce back when he walks, too. I'm hoping this continues! Thanks for asking!

[lizbud]

Whew :) I am so happy to hear Sherman is feeling better than he
has been. Hugs Shermie. :)

[ramanth]

Glad to hear Sherman is feeling a bit better!

[shais_mom]

I hope he feels better soon!

[Freedom]

Oh good! Keep it up Sherman, feel better 'n' better, buddy!

Hi Star, I am NOT forgetting you sweetie!

[anna_66]

:D I'm so glad to hear he's feeling beter:D

[pitc9]

Great news!!
Keep it up Shermie!!

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I am so glad to hear Sherman is doing better! Hopefully he'll be back to normal soon. :)

[wolf_Q]

I didn't see this earlier, I'm sorry to hear that poor Sherman wasn't feeling well! I'm glad to hear he's improving, I hope he continues. Get feeling better Sherman, we can't have an unhappy husky! :)

[cyber-sibes]

:( Well, after a brief couple days of feeling better, Sherman started going downhill again the last two days. He's been increasingly lethargic, still not eating, wobbly, & generally out of it.

We took him in again this morning & they did another thorough exam and chest xrays. Sherman has pnemonia! He also is running a fever, in spite of being on antibiotics. They're doing bloodwork too.

The vet added *Clavamox to his list of meds, and we're supposed to "cup" him along his sides to try to dislodge some of the gunk. It was obvious on the xrays there's a lot of congestion. They also suggested putting him in the room when we shower (that'll be a tight squeeze in this place!).

So, my poor Shermie still needs some good thoughts sent his way.
Thanks for your prayers.

*edited to correct name of drug

[Cincy'sMom]

Poor Shermie!!! Hope you feel better soon bud!!

Hate to think that fresh ocean air is getting to you, and you might have to move in with us in Ohio, in a climate youa re used to ;)

[Vela]

Lots of hugs and prayers for you and Sherman. How scary. I'm so sorry he got so sick. I hope he gets better soon!

[K9soul]

Wow Pat, what a miserable situation for you and poor Sherm :(. I will be keeping him in my thoughts and prayers. Poor boy. :(

[k9krazee]

Oh Shermie :( Hope your feeling better soon, buddy. We're sending you lots of get-better-soon vibes!!

[Catty1]

Do you have a vaporizer that you can put Vicks in, and leave him in the bathroom with that for a while? I've heard of that helping kittens and cats.

Get well, Shermie!

[shais_mom]

poor guy!
lots of hugs on the way!

[cyber-sibes]

P Hate to think that fresh ocean air is getting to you, and you might have to move in with us in Ohio, in a climate youa re used to ;)LOL! "Ohio" is one of the reasons they wanted to do blood work. If he still doesn't improve, one of the possibilities may be that he has a fungal infection. The vet asked where we moved from, then told us that dogs in the midwest are prone to fungal infections, that he doesn't see them on the East coast at all. So keep a watchful eye on your midwest pups!

[Cinder & Smoke]

Hi God ~

Prayer Pups here, wiffa nudder request for our Big Buddy Mr. Sherman ...

Did You check his X-erayz ... so we're sure he gotz Nee-Moan-ia?
That's "fixable" - so havin dat is kinda OK ... but kan we start FIXIN it?
Poor Guy's been <hackin> & <koffin> since he got to da Right Coast ...
prolly hazint *dipped a toe* inna Ocean yet. http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif

We'd like to get him feelin ALL-Better ... so's he kan enjoy his New Digs
an find sum New Frendz.

We'll keep da Prayer Kandilz burnin inna winnow; and <kross> our Pawz & Klawz;
maybe You kuld send sum {{{God'sHugs}}} to his Mom & Dad, an Sista Star.

THANKS, God!!

/s/ the Prayer Pups

[lizbud]

Poor guy. :( I hope Sherman gets to feeling better soon. Prayers from
all of us here in Indy.

[dragondawg]

:( Well, after a brief couple days of feeling better, Sherman started going downhill again the last two days. He's been increasingly lethargic, still not eating, wobbly, & generally out of it.

We took him in again this morning & they did another thorough exam and chest xrays. Sherman has pnemonia! He also is running a fever, in spite of being on antibiotics. They're doing bloodwork too.

The vet added amoxycillan to his list of meds, and we're supposed to "cup" him along his sides to try to dislodge some of the gunk. It was obvious on the xrays there's a lot of congestion. They also suggested putting him in the room when we shower (that'll be a tight squeeze in this place!).

So, my poor Shermie still needs some good thoughts sent his way.
Thanks for your prayers.

Assuming amoxycillan equals amoxicillin. Have they cultured the expectorant for antibiotic sensitivity? The chances are the only thing the blood work will do is confirm an elevated WBC count. Hopefully they don't find bacteria in the blood itself. If it were my dog, I'd be asking them why the dog was not being given a combination of Clavamox plus Baytril??? Without the clavulanate component being added to amoxicillin (e.g. Clavamox) the chances of encountering antibiotic resistance to straight amoxicillin is high. Also there is a high level of antibiotic resistance to Cephalexin for the two primary bacterial agents involved in canine pneumonia.

Getting a humidifier that actually sprays a fine mist of water in the bathroom might help.

The idea the Vet is even suggesting a fungal infection, when you started with a Kennel cough like infection that has progressed into a bacterial pneumonia is strange.

[LuckyNumber7]

That is strange - and I don't understand why he wouldn't have prescribed something broadbased like clavamox or even doxycycline to begin with. I still can't believe your vet gave your sick dog vaccines - I would be so pissed!

I hope Sherm feels better soon. My Molly had pneumonia shortly after we got her, it was rough :(

[lizbud]

The idea the Vet is even suggesting a fungal infection, when you started with a Kennel cough like infection that has progressed into a bacterial pneumonia is strange.


I think so too, but I don't think that's very helpful to discuss that right now.


Get well soon Sherman. We're praying for ya sweetie.

[dragondawg]

I think so too, but I don't think that's very helpful to discuss that right now.


Get well soon Sherman. We're praying for ya sweetie.

Dog health forums have varied purposes.

[Ginger's Mom]

Ah Sherman, sweetie. More prayers going out for you, handsome boy.

[Freedom]

Oh Pat, I am stunned! Is this something contagious? Do you have to keep him segregated from Star?

I liked Catty1's suggestion of the vaporizer, if you have one.

Keeping paws crossed and prayers said for Sherman and all of you.

[cyber-sibes]

Thanks everyone, I'm going to look into a vaporizer. I hope we can post about an improvement soon. Since Star 's already been exposed, she's not separated, although she's pretty much doing her own thing.

The rest of this pretty lengthy, but I felt it was neccessary to take the time to post it. Like they say, knowledge is power.

(e.g. Clavamox)The idea the Vet is even suggesting a fungal infection, when you started with a Kennel cough like infection that has progressed into a bacterial pneumonia is strange.He's on Clavamox, I could only remember reading amoxi part when I was typing. Just to clarify, the vet did not suggest he has a fungal infection, he was just saying that IF Sherman doesn't get better, that we need to broaden the look at what might be playing into this. Considering we just moved here from Ohio, he said there is a high incidence of dogs in the midwest contracting fungal infections, whereas he doesn't see it very often out here.

Since several comments have been made, I thought it would be appropriate to share what I'm learning. I hope this helps people understand where the vet is coming from. Some of you sound pretty well informed about this stuff. I'm not giving a word-by-word report on our visits, and I apologise if anyone felt misled, my bad.

I've highlighted the symptoms Sherman has that would indicate why the vet would consider this as a possibility:

Blastomycosis is an infection found in dogs, people, and occasionally cats. It is caused by the fungal organism Blastomyces dermatitidis, which is found as a mold in the soil or at room temperatures and as a yeast in tissues or at body temperatures. The mold occurs in sandy, acid soils near river valleys or other waterways. Endemic in Ohio, Mississippi, St. Lawrence river valleys, the Great lakes region, and along the eastern seaboard, veterinarians report blastomycosis more frequently in the fall... For unknown reasons, male dogs are more likely to contract blastomycosis than females.
The clinical signs of blastomycosis may vary with the target organs affected and may include one or all of the following: anorexia, depression, weight loss, fever (103 degrees or higher) that doesn't respond to antibiotics, coughing, shortness of breath, exercise intolerance, enlarged lymph nodes, eye disease, or skin lesions that drain bloody or purulent material.
Read about blatomycosis here (http://www.canismajor.com/dog/blstomyc.html)

I think this is important to know about, especially for those living in the indicated areas. (including many our dear PT friends from the Findlay gatherings).

And when all this started, Sherman had no fever, no raspy lungs, no shallow breathing, no lethargy, & still had a great appetite - only a cough. He was thoroughly assessed before giving him vaccinations. They were very clear that they do not vaccinate dogs they feel are not healthy enough.

Thanks again everyone, your caring really warms my heart! I know PT prayers work.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Thanks again everyone, your caring really warms my heart!
I know PT prayers work.

{{{HUGS}}} & Prayers for Sherman, Mom, Dad, and Sista Star!!

Get Well SOON, Sherm!!
;)

[LuckyNumber7]

If it doesn't start clearing up soon, you may want to suggest to your vet that they do a trachea wash, where they take a sample of the gunk in Sherm's lungs and culture it to see what grows - that way they can give you a specific antibiotic for whatever bacteria you're dealing with.

And to whoever asks - it's highly contagious. When my pup had pneumonia they had her in a little closed off incubator in the critical care room in the hospital, so that she couldn't spread it to the other pups there. We had to wear gloves and gowns to pet her during visiting hours, and she was in total isolation from the other dogs.

I'm crossing my fingers that Sherm feels better soon. Since he's a big strong dog I bet he'll recover quickly!

[chocolatepuppy]

Oh no, last time I checked this Sherman seemed to be getting better. :( I will continue to keep him in my prayers. I hope he is feeling better soon.

[Karen]

Sherman will be in our prayers. I've got peanut butter cookies if you get better, Sherm ....

[Daisy and Delilah]

Sorry I am just seeing this thread. How awful for Sherman and all of you!! What a struggle this has been, Pat. I feel for you and your family and of course I'm sending big giant wishes that Sherman will get better really really soon. Poor guy just doesn't know what's going on. Thank God for his loving family being there for him and doing everything humanly possible for a swift recovery. My thoughts and prayers are going up to all of you right now. GET WELL HANDSOME MAN!!! We're baking up a big batch of peanut butter cookies for you too ;) {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

[cmayer31]

I'll keep all my toes and fingers crossed that Sherman continues to get better. :)

[cassiesmom]

Sherman, sweety! I hope the antibiotics work and you feel much better soon.

[ramanth]

Oh Sherman! :( I'm sorry you have pnuemonia buddy. I hope it clears up soon.

[wolf_Q]

Aww he has pnemonia...poor husky boy. :( Get feeling better soon Sherman!

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Poor guy. :(

He's been through so much this last little while. I hope he gets better soon!

[crow_noir]

Oh no!!! Poor Sherman! * H U G S / healing energy *

Unless he's allergic to it there is no harm in this suggestion. Try putting him on 1/2 tsp (per 50lbs of body weight) of (cold processed - this part is VERY important) honey, twice per day. (in addition to his medicines of course.) You can either just let him lick it off of something or dilute it in room temp water.

Continue until a week after he stops showing any symptoms of being ill. (Or if he seems to have a bad reaction to it of course. Which would mean that by some odd fluke that he's allergic to it.)


Well, after a brief couple days of feeling better, Sherman started going downhill again the last two days. He's been increasingly lethargic, still not eating, wobbly, & generally out of it.

We took him in again this morning & they did another thorough exam and chest xrays. Sherman has pnemonia! He also is running a fever, in spite of being on antibiotics. They're doing bloodwork too.

The vet added *Clavamox to his list of meds, and we're supposed to "cup" him along his sides to try to dislodge some of the gunk. It was obvious on the xrays there's a lot of congestion. They also suggested putting him in the room when we shower (that'll be a tight squeeze in this place!).

So, my poor Shermie still needs some good thoughts sent his way.
Thanks for your prayers.

[Kfamr]

Pat & Sherms,
I wanted to let you know I've been reading this thread since it was originally created but have not posted.

I'm so sorry Sherman isn't doing well. :( Hope the nastiness clears up soon and he's able to enjoy his new home!

{{HUGS}} to you both.

Kay & The Muttlies

[pitc9]

Shermie... Shermie, Shermie, Shermie....
What are we going to do with you young man!!
You need to get better so your mom, dad and Star (and the PT gang) don't worry about you!
Orrr.... maybe that's why you're still sick.. you just want the attention!
;) j/k

Oh Pat, I'm so sorry he's still sick the poor thing!
All of this since leaving Ohio! He hasn't even been able to really enjoy his new digs over there!

Sierra sends smooches and lovin's to her Shermie-kins and super, duper special get well vibes from us all!
{hugs}

[lizbud]

How is Sherman doing now on his new meds? A little better I hope. :)

[cyber-sibes]

I suppose it's just going to take some time. Overall, he's more active than he was, but he's still pretty out of it. He did eat a little last night. I've been steaming him in the bathroom & doing coupage. We can hear it starting to break up, but the poor guy gets coughing really hard & can't stop. Been giving him honey on bread, and a dose of pediatric cough syrup last night because he couldn't stop coughing bloody mucus. (sorry, I know it sounds gross). I got a vaorizer and vicks-type medicine, and set him up in the laundry room this morning. It must have felt good, he fell asleep in there for over two hours. Star has been so good, letting him lie down wherever he wants (he's gone in her space a few times), not bugging him at all.

He went back out into the garage now. I tried to get him to look at me, but this was it. :( Thanks for asking, I hope to do a more upbeat post soon.

[Husky_mom]

poor baby boy...... you must be so tired........ enjoy your rest handsome..... you´ll be out of it soon....... healing woos and rooos from the south......

I can´t help but feel the urge to go hug him so bad...... please deliver a hug from me.... we wuv you Shermie!!

[pitc9]

Oh Pat, please give hugs to Shermie from me!!
I hope he's feeling better soon!!

Oh that picture of him looks so sad :( Cheer up big guy... those icky meds will have you feeling better soon!

[anna_66]

Oh I'm sorrry I missed the latest update:(

Shermie boy, your going to be in my thoughts and prayers that you get over this nasty stuff soon.

Pat could you please give him (and of course Star) big hugs and kisses from me...please.

Much love to you all.
(((Hugs)))

[AdoreMyDogs]

You poor boy, Sherman :( I'm sorry you're sick, handsome boy. I hope you get that nasty stuff out of you soon :(

Sending healing vibes to you from Texas, Sherman.

[Catty1]

I'm glad he is so comfy with the vaporizer...sleep and breathing the nice air, that will help.

Get well soon, Shermie! You'll be happier in a couple of days. HUGS!

[crow_noir]

Oh poor Sherman! You poor thing.

Hopefully all the tender loving care and well wishes will get you better soon!

Pneumonia is no fun! I'm so glad to be over it finally. Make sure when you get to feeling better to take it easy for at least an extra week. That P-monia is SNEAKY!!!


I suppose it's just going to take some time. Overall, he's more active than he was, but he's still pretty out of it. He did eat a little last night. I've been steaming him in the bathroom & doing coupage. We can hear it starting to break up, but the poor guy gets coughing really hard & can't stop. Been giving him honey on bread, and a dose of pediatric cough syrup last night because he couldn't stop coughing bloody mucus. (sorry, I know it sounds gross). I got a vaorizer and vicks-type medicine, and set him up in the laundry room this morning. It must have felt good, he fell asleep in there for over two hours. Star has been so good, letting him lie down wherever he wants (he's gone in her space a few times), not bugging him at all.

He went back out into the garage now. I tried to get him to look at me, but this was it. Thanks for asking, I hope to do a more upbeat post soon.

[anna_66]

How's our little man feeling today? Better I hope:)

[jennielynn1970]

Oh! Poor Shermie! I was just reading through this whole thread, and the poor boy hasn't caught a break!

Had a question about Doxy and dogs... my vets won't use doxy at all in cats because it is so harsh on their stomachs. Does it not have the same effect on dogs??

Glad the vaporizer is making him feel better... I get bronchitis a lot, and my one cat used to get really bad URIs (he was FIV+) and we'd both sit in the room with the vaporizer going!

Feel better Sherman! Thoughts and prayers coming to you (and your family).

[cyber-sibes]

Woos everybody. I'm not feeling very well, I got this yucky stuff in my lungs. All I wanna do is sleep.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/cyber-sibes/Shermienew-monia.jpg
My hu-mom gives me lots of turkey, but I think there's something wrapped up in there. It helps me feel better. She made me my own sauna room, and it helps me breathe better. She tells me about the good wishes you all send to me, and gives me hugs from eberyone, and that makes me smile. :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/cyber-sibes/shermienew-moniasmile.jpg
Thanks for asking about me, I hope I can send you a picture of me all better soon. :)
woos, - Sherman

[k9krazee]

Aww Sherms, you're still as handsome as ever. We hope you feel lots better soon, being sick is no fun. ((Hugs)) from the Hoodlums.

[crow_noir]

Hey Sherman, thank you for the update. You're looking a bit more chipper today. At least sitting up and all. Glad your sauna is helping! I know frequent showers help me feel better when i have nasty colds. All that wonderful steam you know loosening up that junk.

[cyber-sibes]

:D :D :D I just had to post - I got a good morning kiss from my boy this morning for the first time since he's been so sick! Yay! :D :D :D He even cleaned himself up a bit, now he's gone back to sleep.

[lizbud]

Aww Shermie, I'm so glad you were well enough to send us woos & a
little smile. :) We are all thinking about you sweetie. Hope you start to
feel even better soon. :)

[Taz_Zoee]

Awww Sherman, it's good to see you smiling. And giving mommy kisses!!! I'm glad you are starting to feel better. :D :D

[cassiesmom]

Oh, sweet Sherman, I hope you'll feel all better soon!

[Pawsitive Thinking]

How are you feeling handsome?

[pitc9]

Oh Shermie... you still are a Hunk!
So glad to hear you're taking your medicine like a champ!
Keep it up big guy!!

[anna_66]

Hey there buddy, glad to hear you felt good enough to give mommy a kiss today:)
Sleep well and hopefully you'll be back to yourself in no time!

[Ginger's Mom]

Aw, glad to hear that you are feeling a little better, Shermie. We are still sending out lots of healing vibes, handsome boy. {{{Hugs}}}

[pitc9]

How Sherman feeling Pat?

[Freedom]

Just catching up on the news for Sheman, glad to see some pics and a bit of a smile. hang in there fella, mom has everything around to help you feel better.

Pat, has the vet given any idea how long recovery may take?

[chocolatepuppy]

Good to see you're feeling a bit better Sherman. :)

[Alysser]

Aw, poor Sherms. Hope you get better, poor boy! This pnemonia isn't effecting your handsomness. :)

[Pawla]

Hope you feel good as new soon, Sherman! I know your Mom and the whitecoats are taking very good care of you. {{{HUGS}}}, and a big kiss on the nose!

[joycenalex]

dear sherman, i had pee-moan-nee-ya a looong time ago. i was tired for a looong time too, and slept alot. my humom gave me lumpy turkey as well. if your humom wants to, she can bark at my humom about this wags, alex the wonder dog

[cyber-sibes]

Hi everyone, thanks for asking. I haven't been on PT as much lately, so just now seeing your posts.

He seems to have a good day then one that's not so good. But we think it's breaking up, he coughed a lot yesterday. He's lost a lot of strength, kind of wobbly on his feet, and has obviously lost weight. He's tripped and tumbled a couple times. I think it's a combo of being groggy & weak, and being in a new place he doesn't know his way around as well yet, I think with his vision problems, he just doesn't see the steps & things sometimes.

I have to convince him to eat, though. I've given up on dry food for now. Tonight he ate some chicken and some ground beef (which he would only eat out of my hand, not out of the bowl). He will take treats if they are slathered with peanut butter. I've been wraping his pills with lunchmeat, but he's started refusing those too. I hate to pry his mouth open, but I have to make sure he takes his meds.

But he' s a little more active in the evenings. He looks more alert, and we've walked short distances a few times. (like 1x around the house). I just brushed him, he seemed to really like that. He mostly stays in the kitchen on his blanket, in the kennel in the garage (I think he likes the cement pad, it stays cool) or goes into the living room & lays on Star's blanket. She watches him, but lets him go wherever he wants.

The vet didn't say how long it would take to recover, he goes back in for a check-up x-ray next Friday. Keep paws crossed for a good report!

[crow_noir]

Awwwe, poor Shermie. I was hoping you'd have a miracle and be better already.

I know when i had p-monia even going out the back door and around to the front to get the mail was almost too much and I'd have to go right back to bed after that. (It drove me insane staying so inactive, but it's what helped me get better faster (than the previous time i had pmonia.) Going out to get the mail was the one luxury of "freedom" that i allowed myself... and i didn't even do that every day.)

I'm sorry but the protective side of me was throwing up little red flags at the walking around for tiny walks bit. Maybe it's different for doggies. I'm hoping it is. I was like "Mister, tell your mum to keep you in bed and only let you out use go potty."

I realllllly hope the vet has good news for you Sherman and c-s!!! *hugs* and *scritchies*

[Freedom]

Aw, Sherman, everyone here and on PT is praying for you.

Pat, maybe you can switch and wrap the meds in peanut butter. Make a little ball with the pill inside.

[cyber-sibes]

I'm sorry but the protective side of me was throwing up little red flags at the walking around for tiny walks bit.The short walks are the vets suggestion. He said it'll help clear it out if he can get moving a bit. Makes sense - the lymph system "pumps" through the action of our muscles. That's why even bed-ridden patients benefit from range of motion exercises. The walks are very short, just once around the house, or in front of the next two houses & back. I just follow as he sniffs along the grass. :)

wrap the meds in peanut butter. Make a little ball with the pill inside.Yeah, I ws doing that until he quit eating them. I'll probably have to go back & forth between the meat & pb to keep him interested.

Thanks for the prayers, he still needs them.

[lizbud]

Yeah, I ws doing that until he quit eating them. I'll probably have to go back & forth between the meat & pb to keep him interested.

Thanks for the prayers, he still needs them.



I get good results with a 1/2 slice of Velvetta cheese. It's nice & soft
and molds easily around any pill or capsule. :) Still going full steam on the
prayers that Sherman gets stronger every day. ((Hugs))

[Karen]

Tell my peanut butter pal I'm keeping him in my prayers. Hugs to all of you - even Star if she'll permit!

[jennielynn1970]

Poor Shermie! That pneumonia can really kick anyone's butt. It's a nasty thing to deal with. Hope he continues to make progress and get better and better every day! {{{Hugs}}} to Shermie, as well as to you and Star.

[crow_noir]

Hey, I'm not going to argue with doctor's orders. :D *does the hands to the side of the head in the "don't shoot me" pose*

Too bad he couldn't be getting daily chest thumping massages to help loosen the gunk too. (I was talking to S.O. about Sherman's' pneumonia and he said that he might be learning how to do that in his training for respiratory therapy. He's a long ways away from that though... he's just now taking his first medical class.)

Could you get the pill slightly moist and roll it in parmesan cheese?

[CathyBogart]

I've done the chest-thumping massages on pneumonia doggies, it's no fun, but they do seem to feel better afterwards.

Poor Sherm, this sounds like NO FUN! I hope you feel better very soon!

[wolf_Q]

Poor Sherman, I hope he gets feeling better soon! Eat your food (no, there's no pills inside, really ;) ) buddy!

[anna_66]

Pat I know how hard it is to give the pills when they decide they want to stop taking all the good treats :o I hope you keep coming up with new ways and don't have to end up pilling him.

Hey there Shermie boy,
I'm glad you have been getting out a bit and I do hope that you start feeling better soon. I'm sure Star is missing her play buddy.
(((HUGS))) to you sweetie!

[cyber-sibes]

Hey, those are some great suggestions, I'll try the parmesan cheese next time. He took a pb ball this morning. I tried wrapping velveta-type cheese around it, no go. But that did remind me about what I used to get Star to take her pills a hile back - cheese in a can! (Meeska the husky calls it "Crack-Whiz" for dogs) They couldn't get enough of it last summer!
I'm still steaming him everyday. He really loves his little sauna, he'll sleep in there for a couple hours at a time. We "thump" him right after that, and a couple more times each day. I've also been massaging him. I think it's helping.

He certainly improved over the weekend, starting Sat. night- he was getting up & around a bit, had his ears up, watched us. Still refusing most food - even scrambled eggs. Chicken is about the only thing he seems to want to eat. So I'm cooking for him. LOL, anyone who knows Serman knows he must be sick if he's refusing any kind of food!
I'll be happy when he starts coming over to sit so nicely, waiting for a tidbit again.

[cassiesmom]

Sherman, sweetie! I am so happy to read that you're doing better. Hugs all around.

[Catty1]

Sherman, glad you are feeling better. Pneumonia can really hang on, but you are getting the bestest care and love and home-cookin'! :)

Ear scritchies to you! Keep on truckin'!

[pitc9]

Poor Poor Shermie! :(
My RB Toby was a stinker when it came to taking pills. If she heard the pill bottle rattle she'd run out the door.

We used the treats, peanut butter, lunch meat, cheese.. all that stuff.

What worked great was to take something she loved (like a piece of pancake) and make a little slit in the side, stuff the pill in it and use peanut butter to seal it up. What made it even easier was that if you threw it to her she'd CHOMP it out of the airand swallow it hole. :p ;) (sneaky humans)

Shermie... dis is Sierra here. Mom seyz you still have gunk in your lungs. I'm so sorry to hear the luv of my life is still not feeling well. :(
How 'bout I come to da house be a live in nurse till you feel better!! ;)
Feel better soon!
Your's fur-ever... Sierra.

[lizbud]

Great news. :D I am so happy to hear Shermie is acting much better. :)

Pat, I forgot all about the canned cheese spritz thingy.It's good he likes
that too. Since I pill Maggie twice a day now, I hope she never gets tired
of the velvetta. BTW, I now have two cats that are hooked on the stuff
and beg for a bit of cheese every time I take it out of the fridge. :D

Big hugs Sherman & sister Star too.

[ramanth]

I hope Sherman continues to improve. You take your meds like a good boy Sherm!

[cyber-sibes]

Shermie... dis is Sierra here. Mom seyz you still have gunk in your lungs. I'm so sorry to hear the luv of my life is still not feeling well. :( How 'bout I come to da house be a live in nurse till you feel better!! ;)
Feel better soon!
Your's fur-ever... Sierra. :p Aw, Sierra, you are da bestest! But I would feel even worse if you came over and I accidentally coughed on you & you got sick too. You DON'T want this. But it sure would be nice to have you to snuggle up to, you gorgeous girl! I promise I'll get better as fast as I can.
Slurppy kisses, your Shermie-poo.

:eek: Now look at that, he's feeling well enough to use the computer! ;)

[joycenalex]

hey sherm, glad to hear you're doing better. i make my humom cook for me too sometimes. bark at ya later! wags, alex the wonder dog

[crow_noir]

Awwwe, so glad to hear he's at least feeling a little better. :)

[cyber-sibes]

:( Another baffling setback today. I don't want to go into a lot of details here, but that poor boy has been sick for a month now, just one thing after another. I felt uneasy about how Sherman was doing, and his symptoms didn't sound good to the vet either, so we went back in. They are doing more extensive blood testing, we should hear back in a couple days. We are hoping it's one of the less serious possibilities.
We could really use prayers for Sherman.

[Husky_mom]

oh no!!..... prayers for Shermie ont he way!!!.....

come on vet people.... help him heal!!!....

smooches to the red boy.......and hugs to you for being there for him..... pass along a hug to Star too would ya

[shais_mom]

poor guy!
prayers on the way!

[joycenalex]

of course we'll keep sherman in our prayers and hugs for you too!

[Cinder & Smoke]

<ring> Bowser's extenshin, Cin ... get him onna case, too!

Hellow, BOWZ ??

HI Bub ---ya know we really *MISS* ya, don'cha?

We know da Boss is buzzie, but we gotta get sum Help fur Sherman ...
Kan you pull any strings, yet, Bowz?

You're in charge uvva Prayer List? GREAT! Kan ya move Shermie up onna TOP?
Ohhh ... ya did dat onna Furst Day ya wuz up there ... well, Thanks fur da Help.
What ... you're addin a STAR beside his name ebery Nite!
An God sez a Prayer fur EBERY Star?? http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/smile.gif

Yup, we're all tryin ...
Ya say God sed "Every time I pick up the Prayer Line, it's another Pet Talker FurKid
"reminding me" about Sherman! I'm *workin on it!"

OK, mebbie we better not *bug* Him rite now ...
we'll call in again at Prayer Tyme affore bed.

SURE, Bowz ... we'll be Happie to tell Sherm you're sendin him **SlUrRPz*
anna tail **wag** frum Heaven!

Oh, an Dad sendz his Love, Bowz!!

[k9krazee]

Ohhh no :(

We're still keeping the Sherm in our thoughts and prayers.

((Hugs)) for you, Pat and the sick Shermie.

[dukedogsmom]

I'm so sorry. I hope they can find out what's wrong so they can help Sherman. I do know how much it hurts to see them sick and feel so helpless. I've loaned out my guardian angels before so until Sherman is better, they can watch over him, ok? I hope they do their job well.

[Ginger's Mom]

Oh poor Sherman, and poor you. I will definitely send out more prayers for that handsome boy.

[anna_66]

We could really use prayers for Sherman.
Well you've got em'! I'll be sending lots of love hugs and prayers both your and Sherman's way.
I just know that all is going to turn out fine with his tests and he's going to be feeling better soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/anna66/HugsThanks/hugstxtreb06.gif
Anna

[chocolatepuppy]

I'm sorry to hear Sherman isn't getting well as quickly as he should be. :( I will continue to keep him in my prayers.

[jennielynn1970]

Poor Sherman... I hope it's nothing too serious! He's such a big handsome pup! Will be keeping him in my thoughts and prayers.

[K9karen]

Poor guy! Such frustration. Of course you and Sherm are in my prayers. {Hugs}

[Karen]

If they are baffled, any chance of them consulting Tufts Veterinary? They're not far from Rhode Island, in Grafton, MA, and are world-reknowned ...

[LuckyNumber7]

Or Angell Memorial - it's the best animal hospital in Boston, and they really know their stuff. It costs an arm and a leg, but they're great.

[anna_66]

Hey Pat, how's the handsome man of yours doing today? Better I'm hoping.
Let us know when you can.

[cyber-sibes]

I've been ckecking about other vet hospitals here. The vets I am using do referrals to Ocean State Hospital, who are all specialists. Sandi(Freedom) had her Sugar's cataract surgery there & said they are very good, of course $$$ too. and our current vet also mentioned Angell Memorial, if we wanted to have more extensive procedures done.
Saw my cousin over the 4th, he took his lab to West Bridgewater Vet Hosp, which isn't too far from here. He said within minutes they diagnosed his dog for a condition that his reg. vet couldn't for over a year. My other cousin works with people from RI, checked with them yesterday & several mentined Mt. Hope vet hosp, at the north end of the island.

Some of Sherman's tests came back, (with some unexpected results) and they are waiting for the results from one more. We are going back in this morning in about 45 minutes. Today is my b-day, and the best present I can think of would be that they figured this out & my boy is gonna be alright! I'll post an update.

[pitc9]

Oh Pat... please wrap your arms around yourself and squeeeeze, that hug was from me. :D

Still praying for Sherman! Can't wait to hear from you when you get back from the vets. I hope they are able to give you a wonderful Birthday gift!

[cyber-sibes]

short update....

New x-rays still show fluid in lungs now spreading, although more diffuse than before, could be that it's breaking up, but the vet was not happy about it at all...all other organs look fine. Some other things regarding bloodwork they did not expect to see, don't want to get into it here.
He's going over the xrays & test results with the senior vet, & still waiting to hear about the fungal panels...We should be getting additional calls from them today with more info.

At this point, we are hoping it is fungal, it would explain the odd assortment of Sherms' symptoms.

I have called our old vet in Ohio to see if he is seeing any animals with similar symptoms showing up there. His receptionist said it sounds like one other dog they are seeing, but who knows. He's calling back later.

[gemini9961]

Still thinking of Sherman and you too Pat. I really hope that these vets can figure it all out. Poor boy, if only he could talk and tell them what's going on.

[Ginger's Mom]

Oh Pat, I am so sorry this hasn't been sorted out yet. :( I will continue to keep you and Sherman in my prayers.

[Jadapit]

I'm so sorry Sherman still isn't feeling well. :( I know how hard it must be on you. You both will be in my thoughts and prayers.

[Cinder & Smoke]

MORE Tests??? :eek:

More Tests just means More PRAYERS needed ...

sooo ... We'll be Krossin Pawz & Klaws and askin Bowser to rustle up
summore Good Vibes frum Heaven.

FEEL BETTER, Sherman ~ We'z ALL pullin fur ya!!

[cyber-sibes]

This is so frustrating. Even the fungal tests came back negative. His old vet called back & hasn't seen any recent fungal cases in Findlay. (they had 1 case of it 4 mos. ago)

In spite of his liver & kidney tests all coming back normal (except for one liver reading), Shermans legs are swelling. They are looking into possible explanations why, as he doesnt have any other signs of liver disease or protein leaking into tissues). Sherman is spending the afternoon in the vet hospital, getting intervenous antibiotics & an ultrasound to determine if his lungs are just full of the pnemonia stuff or if he is filling with fluids, which would not be good. I had a frank (friendly) discussion with the vet about alternative hospitals to take him to, including Ocean State, Tufts, & Angell. We are going to give this afternoon's antibiotics a chance to kick in, and they'll send home more aggresive antibiotics, but if this doesn't turn him around, then.....???? :(

(I'm skipping details, but fyi trachial wash, asperate lungs to culture, etc. were all discussed, too)

Bottom line, we still dont know what the heck is going on. :(

[Cinder & Smoke]

This is so frustrating. :(

Bottom line, we still dont know what the heck is going on. :(

But - I'm sure that Sherman appreciates the fact that Mom & Dad aren't about to give up!

Try not to get too discouraged ... there's bound to be a breakthrough soon.
We'll just keep sending Prayers till he gets better!

{{{Hugs}}}
;)

[cassiesmom]

[[[HUGs]]] and thoughts and prayers

[Cincy'sMom]

Poor Sherman!!! We sure hope they figure out what is wrong and make you feel better soon!! Lots of thoughts and prayers coming your way!

[pitc9]

Just wanted to send more {{{hugs}}} your way!!

I'm saying my prayers for Sherman!

[wolf_Q]

I'm sorry to hear that you haven't been able to figure out the problem yet. :( I know how frustrating that is. Hopefully a different vet could possible diagnose it, and hopefully Sherman will be getting back to his old self soon! Husky woos and kisses from Nebo and Keva to Sherman!

[shais_mom]

I'm so sorry to hear that Pat :(
Please give Sherman a hug from me :(

[lizbud]

I am so sorry that nothing they are doing seems to help Sherman. :(
He is in my prayers as always. Please help him Lord, he's a good boy & his
momma & friends are very worried. ((HUGS)) for you both .

[chocolatepuppy]

I am keeping Sherman close in my prayers. This not knowing must be so hard. :( {{{hugs}}}

[dukedogsmom]

I'm really sorry. *Has a talk with guardian angels, tells them to work overtime* I hope a cause and cure is found soon. I'd be worried sick. Give him some lovin' from me.

[Freedom]

Oh Pat, I really was hoping for a better update, and I am sure you were as well.

I've already told you in a PM, at this point I do think you need a second opinion, and a specialist. It's time already.

Let me know if there is ANYTHING I can do to help; meet you at a vet, what ever. If you need someone to sit with Star while you and Jojoe are talking with the vet, whatever. I'll do whatever I can.

Prayers still for Sherman. Come on, boy, we are ALL routing for you!

[cyber-sibes]

Friday, 10 pm...
We've just returned from admitting Sherman to the emergency vet hospital (Ocean State, here in RI). He is resting in an oxygen cage and will remain there for a day or two till they figure out whats going on. He'll have full ultrasounds of his chest & abdomen tomorrow, have his lungs biopsied.
His vet here sent all his test results, xrays, & aspirated lung fluid with us. The emergency vet reviewed everything & went over the xrays with an internist. She said she saw tons of cases of fungal infections where she trained & worked in Virginia (Ohio River Valley basin) & feels very strongly that that is probably what's going on, even though the initial tests came back negative. We are hoping she's right, because she said the next most probable possibility is that he has cancer masses in his lungs & abdomen. whatever it is, she said he's a mystery/conundrum at the moment, with a very odd set of symptoms.
We've always known Sherman was a unique individual. ;) (Trying hard for a little levity here, it's kind of tough right now.)
Their primary concern is to get a good diagnosis asap. What to do about it won't even be discussed till then. She did say that she thinks the oxygen will help him feel better quickly. Poor guy was sucking air for all he was worth, so winded he could barley function.

Thank you all for your support & prayers, it looks like it's going to be difficult for a while yet.

[joycenalex]

oh pat, i'm so sorry. i'll keep praying for sherman...hugs

[Catty1]

Prayers for Sherman - and you! I guess they won't even try antifungals until they do the biopsy.

I hope Sherman is comfy and that you have TREATABLE answers soon!

"Healing and transforming God, your love knows no boundaries, and in your sight every life is precious; look with compassion on Sherman, and make all of us your agents of healing in a broken world. Amen."

{{{{{hugs}}}}}

[Cinder & Smoke]

Hi God ~

THANKS fur gettin our Buddy Sherman into da 'Mergency Room so quick!
Sounds like You found him a Great Gurl Doc, too - he'll like dat.

'Preciate Your hoppin onna Red-Eye Silver Klowd inna mornin and bein there,
wiffa Good Book, ta Help wiffa diagnosis. Tubby & Peanutter got da Klowd all gassed to go.

All us Pet Talker Kids, anna Hoomins, are gonna be Krossin Pawz & Klawz till Shermie feels better ...
Ya mite wanna add a Sherman Line onna switchboard.
Prayers are gonna be arriving all day an nite.

Make sure Ya tell Sherm he didn't get "dumped" ... he's just gotta stay inna Get Well Klinik
till he feels a lil better. Dad sez *suckin* on O2 makes ya feel better inna hurry. ENJOY!

And God, You should give Momma Pat an Daddy JoJoe sum {{{God'sHugs}}} too ...
let 'em know You're workin on Sherman's Case.

Call us iffin You wanna hear summore Prayers, God - we can dig up a few more. http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/wink.gif
THANKS, God!
<Niters> Shermie ... hope you sleep better tanite.

/s/ the Prayer Pups

[crow_noir]

Oh noes!!! Poor Sherman! You were supposed to be getting BETTER! Not worrying your human and the rest of us to death.

So very glad that you're in the hospital. Hopefully they'll figure it out soon.

----

Yeah, as much as we love our fuzzies to be unique in their personalities it's no fun when they're the oddballs when it comes to health.

Two things come to mind when i think of King and being an oddball in health. When we put him on the EVA he had bloating like there was no tomorrow and stomach upset. I did hours and hours and hours of digging. I found no occurrences of dogs getting it in the dog trials. In human trials it was said to be very rare and almost always in those rare cases it was in women. (We just had to adjust the dosing for the first month and then we had no problems after that.)

When he had a testicle removed it was about a week later that his sack started to swell. Thinking it was infected stitching the vet told us just to use the antibiotic creme. Well it kept swelling until it popped. (Disgusting and SCARY! I was home alone with him when it happened.) They thought for sure i meant the stitching ripped. When i called the emergency clinic they thought the same thing. (It was determined that it wasn't an emergency since he wasn't bleeding profusely.) When we did get King in the next day the vet was shocked. Low and behold i DO know what I'm talking about. He said in all the years he's been vetting he's never even heard of that let alone seen it. All he could suggest is fill it with more creme and rub that around. That if it was indeed infection that stitching it up would do more harm than good. (Oh yeah... that was SO fun. *sarcasm*)

Why oh why?! I loved King being unique, but did he really have to be unique in just about every conceivable way? :-/p

Here's hoping that Sherman isn't unique, at least not right now *HUGS* This would be a very bad time for him to be. When he's better, then he can go back to being unique. ;)

[shais_mom]

long distance hugs and prayers across the way!

[LuckyNumber7]

Friday, 10 pm...
We've just returned from admitting Sherman to the emergency vet hospital (Ocean State, here in RI). He is resting in an oxygen cage and will remain there for a day or two till they figure out whats going on. He'll have full ultrasounds of his chest & abdomen tomorrow, have his lungs biopsied.
His vet here sent all his test results, xrays, & aspirated lung fluid with us. The emergency vet reviewed everything & went over the xrays with an internist. She said she saw tons of cases of fungal infections where she trained & worked in Virginia (Ohio River Valley basin) & feels very strongly that that is probably what's going on, even though the initial tests came back negative. We are hoping she's right, because she said the next most probable possibility is that he has cancer masses in his lungs & abdomen. whatever it is, she said he's a mystery/conundrum at the moment, with a very odd set of symptoms.
We've always known Sherman was a unique individual. ;) (Trying hard for a little levity here, it's kind of tough right now.)
Their primary concern is to get a good diagnosis asap. What to do about it won't even be discussed till then. She did say that she thinks the oxygen will help him feel better quickly. Poor guy was sucking air for all he was worth, so winded he could barley function.

Thank you all for your support & prayers, it looks like it's going to be difficult for a while yet.


You definitely did the right thing admitting him - this way he can receive round the clock supportive care, and will have professionals figuring out exactly what is wrong with him, and what will make him better the fastest.

I'm so sorry that you're going through this. I know how it feels, and I wish I could give you a big hug and tell you that Sherm will be home again soon - I guess I'll just type it instead :) He's lucky to have you as his Mommy, and lucky to have a family who takes such great care of him. The oxygen will help a lot, and I'm sure they'll have him on sub-q fluids to perk him up a bit and help him fight the infection.

Do you know what antibiotics they have him on right now? Was the trachea wash successful and they were able to get a good sample from his lungs? That's the best thing they can do right now, is culture what was in there, see what grows on it, and prescribe the exact medicine to combat whatever specific bacteria it is.

I hope they figure out why your precious boy isn't feeling well soon and that he can be home with you quickly, back where he belongs. ((hugs))

Me and my animals are all praying for you.

[LuckyNumber7]

When he had a testicle removed it was about a week later that his sack started to swell. Thinking it was infected stitching the vet told us just to use the antibiotic creme. Well it kept swelling until it popped. (Disgusting and SCARY! I was home alone with him when it happened.) They thought for sure i meant the stitching ripped. When i called the emergency clinic they thought the same thing. (It was determined that it wasn't an emergency since he wasn't bleeding profusely.) When we did get King in the next day the vet was shocked. Low and behold i DO know what I'm talking about. He said in all the years he's been vetting he's never even heard of that let alone seen it. All he could suggest is fill it with more creme and rub that around. That if it was indeed infection that stitching it up would do more harm than good. (Oh yeah... that was SO fun. *sarcasm*)




Holy Sh*t!!! I have never in my life heard of that happening - your poor guy!!

I feel so awful for what's happening with Sherm right now, partly because I went through something similar when I adopted my puppy Molly from a high kill shelter down south. Prior to being issued a health certificate and taking the 2 days voyage up to us in Massachusetts, she was given a FULL physical, and showed no signs of anything being wrong. Apparently right after she got on the transport, she started showing symptoms, because by the time she got to us, she was in pretty rough shape. We got her on a Saturday night, and had a vet appointment for Monday morning, and just kept a close eye on her until then to make sure she was eating, drinking, etc - which she was. She was just very lethargic (especially for a 4 month old puppy!) and her nose was all runny and she clearly had kennel cough. So the vet sees her on Monday and says that she thinks that some antibiotics should do the trick, as long as someone is home to monitor her all day, and make sure she stays hydrated, which I was doing. We started her right away on Clavamox, and at first it seemed to be helping. The next day I get a call from the vet saying that some test results had come back - Molly was extremely anemic, indicating that she probably had some sort of parasites, and her white count was very, very low. We brought in a stool sample, and it came back positive for giardia and roundworms, even though she had been dewormed twice. The vet prescribed her panacur for the worms, and sent us home. Thursday morning when we woke up, Molly wouldn't move. I urged her to eat and drink, she would barely lift her head. I immediately drove her to Angell Memorial and they admitted her into their critical care unit, and put her in a little incubator with an oxygen supply - it was just heartbreaking, seeing her like that. Every time I would go visit her, she would whimper every time I walked away - I think she thought we were going to leave her there. The expense involved with her hospital stay was ridiculously high - but I can't complain, as she made it through, even though they said she probably wouldn't. I'm sure the same will happen for Sherm, as soon as they figure out what's up. Positive thoughts!!!

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I am so, so sorry. :(

Sending good thoughts to you and Sherman! ((hugs))

[Karen]

When Paul was little, and he was sick and in the hospital, he says being in his oxygen tent always made him feel better. Hopefully Sherman, my sweetheart, feels the same about his "oxygen cage" and feel better as well.

[kallisto4529]

Oh no, tons of prayers headed for Sherman!!! I so hope things improve and he gets better and they can find out what is going on with him. Bless his heart and yours. I can't imagine what you must be going through. Please give him lots of love from all of us when you are able to.

[cyber-sibes]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/cyber-sibes/IMG_2505.jpg
Yesterday morning. Star sticking around to give Sherman some moral support.

[Cincy'sMom]

Sure hope that fresh air is helping you feel better Sherman!!! More thoughts and prayers coming your way.

[dukedogsmom]

Blessings to you, sweet Sherman. Get well for us all, ok?

[anna_66]

Gosh I can't believe your boy is so sick...it just breaks my heart to hear this:(
I so hope that the oxygen cage helps him feel better and they will find out what's wrong with him asap.
I'll be saying some big prayers that sweet Shermie is home where he belongs soon.

[Alysser]

Poor Sherman! I hope the poor boy is OK. I'll be thinking of the poor sweetie. :(

[Freedom]

Pat, I am SO sorry that Sherman and all of you are going through this. At the same time, I am glad he is in around the clock vet care. I hope they get some answers quickly, and the answers are good ones!

[lv4dogs]

Oh Pat, I am so sorry your guy is not doing any better. I was hoping to come back to a better update. Yous have been in my thoughts & prayers daily & you'll continue to be, even more so than ever. If there's anything I can do let me know. hugs to you all!

[luvofallhorses]

:( I am so, so very sorry. :( I will pray my hardest that he'll be okay. ((((Sherman))))

[lizbud]

I pray you feel better soon Sherman & that the Docs find out how
to cure this illness ASAP. You've been feeling down for way to long
sweetie. (((HUGS))) to you & the family too.

[cyber-sibes]

It breaks my heart to post this.
We brought Sherman home to be with us. It is very likely he will be making his trip to the RB very soon. Seeing him, I would say it's more a matter of hours than days.

Aside from oxygen, there is nothing more they can do for him at the hospital. They are encouraging us to wait until the test results are back (mon. or tues) before "making a final decision", but I think they're just trying to be gentle with us. You can see it in their faces.

While the specialists will not make a 100% diagnosis until the tests are complete, it appears that our boy has a substancial mass of cancerous tumors in his lungs. They believe it's spread to his bones and appears to be growing rapidly. The difference in his x-rays & ultrasounds from just days ago is, in their words, "impressive". They are sure enough that they are not beginning any therapy. They said if it turns out that he does have a fungal infection, his prognosis is extremely poor for recovery at all, and can't predict how much permanent damage is likely. They keep saying his case is so unusual, they don't see things like this very often. I just wish it was not happening to our Sherman.

He is resting, I can't really say comfortably, but he is here with us. He does seem happy to be home in his own surroundings. Star is just watching him from a bit of a distance, she looks so sad. We all are.

So, in between crying hysterically and trying to be stoic, I felt I should let all Sherman's friends here on PT know what's going on. They've sent meds for inflamation & pain home with us, (my mother had cancer that spread to her bones, so I know it's painful) and we want to do right by him. He deserves no less. It's just so damn hard to let go.

Thank you for all your prayers,
Pat, JoJoe, & Star

[dukedogsmom]

I am so very sorry. I really do know how you feel. It hurts so much to accept the fact that it's time to let them go. I lost Duke to lung cancer, too. My heart is breaking for you all. The loss and hurt can be unbearable. The only thing that did get me through is all the wonderful people here. So now it's my time to return the favor. Tears for you all. Just love him as much as you can while he's still with you. And do take photos. Believe me, they will mean so much later. Please love him for me, also, will you? If you ever need to talk about it, I'm here.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I'm so sorry :( This is definitely the hardest thing anyone has to go through during their lives. My heart is breaking for you all, as I type through tears. I hope and pray that Sherman can recover but if he has to make that journey to the bridge, I hope it will be safe and without pain for him. Bless you all during this time. :(

[Kfamr]

I'm so sorry Pat. I keep checking this thread hoping to see better news. Sherman has been a favorite PT pup of mine for a while. He is so handsome.

Please know we are here for you no matter what. {{HUGS}}

[luvofallhorses]

omg no! :( I am just so sorry, Pat. so very sorry. I am in tears and my heart is breaking for Sherman, you, your husband, and Star. I am just so sorry you have to make this decision. I was hoping and praying with all my heart that he'd make it. I know how much that sweet handsome boy means to you.
Please give him a kiss for me. You, Sherman, your hubby, and Star are held close in my thoughts and prayers and I hope Sherman passes peacefully to the rainbow bridge. maybe you could have the vet come to your house where Sherman is more comfortable in his home rather than taking him to the vet?
((((HUGS))))

[Jadapit]

My heart aches for both you and Sherman. I'm so, so sorry. You all will be in my thoughts and prayers. (((Hugs)))

[k9krazee]

Pat, I am sitting here in tears. :( I am so sorry you, JoJoe, Star and especially Sherman have to go through this. I am so glad I got to meet your handsome boy at the gathering.

Giant (((hugs))) to you and Sherman.

I am at a loss for words. :( Shermie, Buddy, we love you!

[sparks19]

OH my Gosh. I am so sorry :( I really don't know what else to say at a time like this. Nothing seems appropriate.

but prayers are definitely with you and dear Sherman.

[Catty1]

Pat...oh no....

I am so hoping that the tests will show something treatable...it is slim, but there.

I hope the meds keep Sherman comfy.

Darn, if it can only be treated...do the vets have any idea how long he has had this?

HUGS and PRAYERS to you all...may PT Prayers give one more miracle....

[joycenalex]

pat i am so sorry. i will be thinking of you all

[wolf_Q]

Oh Pat, I can't believe this news. I'm so very sorry, I wish this was not happening to Sherman. I love that sweet husky boy of yours and I know he means so much to you. :( :( I don't even know what to say. :( I'm praying for a miracle. If you need to talk, I'll give you my phone number, or pm me. {{{HUGS}}}

[Catty1]

If I figured it right....he is only 2 1/2 years old! How UNFAIR is that???

HUGS!

[chocolatepuppy]

I'm so sorry Pat. :( You all will be in my thoughts and prayers. {hugs}

[K9soul]

Dear Pat... I was getting caught up reading this thread and my heart went into my throat and then felt like it sunk down into my gut. :( Tears are falling and I wish I knew of something comforting and uplifting to say, but all I can do is tell you that you and Sherman are in my prayers, that I am here and hurting so deeply for you. We're all here for you. Ugh, I just keep typing and then backtracking because nothing seems right to say. I'm praying for you, thinking of you. Sending gentle hugs to you and kisses to precious Sherman.

[Freedom]

Oh no, Pat, Jojoe, Star, Sherman, I can't believe what I am reading. I was so hoping for them to make the diagnosis, because then they could start treatment. It never occured to me that this would what they find. I am sending prayers for all of you. Please give Sherman hugs from all of us.

[Vela]

I haven't posted to much of anything in quite a while but I wanted you to know that I am SO SO sorry. I can't beleive it went from "kennel cough" to this. I am absolutely shocked by this. I have no words at all that will offer comfort but I am sending prayers and love to Sherman and all of you. I am just horribly horribly saddened by this.

[cyber-sibes]

If I figured it right....he is only 2 1/2 years old! How UNFAIR is that??? HUGS!Sherman is only 4, his birthday is in December. I know "life's not fair", but this sucks bigtime.

[AdoreMyDogs]

I am so, so sorry at the news of poor Sherman. This hits home more then you can imagine. I didn't want to say anything for fear of sounding negative or making you worry, but my beloved heart dog, Graham, passed away a year ago (almost) from fungal pneumonia. I fought hard for my beloved boy. He refused food and he just started wasting away. The medicine which was his only hope, didn't work on him and I just decided that he had suffered enough. He was fairly young as well. He was 12 years old, but he was only a 40 pound dog and he could have lived at least another 2-4 years. He was physically the most sound, active, alert, healthy dog before his prognosis, and they gave him very low changes of survival. I tried and tried to get him better, to get him to eat, to make him happy, to make him comfortable. I tried...and I failed. I had to let go and make that heart-wrenching decision to have his pain and suffering ended.

I so hoped Sherman would pull out of this. I know I prayed and prayed. I prayed that he would beat the odds, that it was not fungal, I prayed that magnificent Sherman would fight and win the battle that I lost with Graham. I'm so sorry. My heart aches for you, more then you can imagine.

I'm so sorry. I don't even know you very well but I really feel your pain so close to my heart. My heart is absolutely broken for you. I am still praying for a miracle for you and Sherman.

-Leslie and family

[Karen]

Oh, dear, dear, dear. Give Sherman a big hug from me, okay?

[LuckyNumber7]

Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry to hear this :(

I am glad that Sherm gets to be home with his family, I'm sure that makes him happier than being in a hospital. I'm praying that you get good news even if it's not likely - my thoughts are with you and your family :(

[Alysser]

Oh my gosh, I am sitting here bawling. Sherman has always been one of my favorite PT pups. He's just so gorgeous. I am SO sorry to be reading this..I am totally speechless. I don't know what else to say but I'm so sorry. :( Sherman please, be ok! PLEASE!

[Angus's Dad]

Pat,

My heart is absolutely breaking. I don't know what to say. I knew that Sherman was not feeling well but have not been around much and didn't know how bad things were. Anna and Staci filled me in on it today. The three of us were together today and Staci checked to see if there was an update yet. We were really hoping to hear better news. I am devastated just from reading your last post so I can't even imagine how you and JoJoe are feeling. Sherman is one of my favorite boys here at PT and I remember when I first saw his picture here and you telling us where he came from. When I met him at the Findlay dog park I fell in love with him. First thing that caught my eye is his coloring. Such a gorgeous color! Then I got to find out what a sweet guy he is and that was all it took. Your boy stole my heart. I am so angry at myself that I didn't go to the last get together so that I could see you, JoJoe, Star and your sweet boy Sherman before you moved

I will be thinking about you and your family and keeping you all in my prayers. I hope Sherman is resting comfortably and is pain free. Please give him a gentle hug and some petting filled with love from me.

{{{{HUGS}}}}.........Robin (RobiLee)

[Glacier]

Ah, dang it, Pat. I'm so sorry that news wasn't better for you and your sweet boy. I hope you get some bonus time to enjoy with him.

[anna_66]

Pat, Pat, Pat...

I'm just in shock over what I've heard. I just walked in the door and Robin gave me the news, then to read it just made it so real. BIG time LES:(

I never in my wildest dreams believed that Sherman would be leaving this world so soon. It's not fair. Not to you guys and definitely not to him.

I know things can change over night and I will be praying that god finds it in his heart to change this. He's had quite enough fur angels here lately, surely he can spare one.

You'll all be in my prayers...

[jennielynn1970]

Oh my gosh. I am just in shock. I was hoping that there would be good news for Sherman, he's such a gorgeous boy, and I've loved reading all about him since I've been on PT.

If he has to go to the Bridge soon, I hope it will be quick. I know it will be painful, it's such a hard decision to make.

Take care sweet Sherman... this is way too soon for you to be going through anything like this. Gentle hugs and kisses to you, dear boy.

I'll be thinking of your family and praying that you will all find strength being together.

[Cincy'sMom]

Oh My. I am so sorry to hear this news. Sherman is one my favorite huskies, and one of Spot's favorite play buddies.

Please give Sherman a huge hug for us. If there are any miracles due up, I sure would liket o see this one happen. All our thoughts and prayers are with you.

[slick]

I really don't know what to say except that all of us who have been in your situation know what it's like. You are not alone.....we all feel your pain.

Prayers on the way. :( :(

[Giselle]

Oooh dear, I've been following this thread, but I never imagined it would turn out to be cancer :( Tears are falling for you and your angel, Pat. I know he's lived and is continuing to live a blessed life. Our strength and faith go out to you. You're in our hearts.

[cloverfdx]

Pat and family you will all be in my thoughts :(.

[Cinder & Smoke]

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif

Hi God ~

Do You really need our Buddy, Sherman, up onna Bridge?
Hope it's sumpin purdy Speschul ...
he's gonna be badly *missed* down here onna ole Durt Ball!

We know dat You know best; and Thy Will Be Done ...

Kan You be onna Silver Klowd when it comes to pick him up, God?
And maybe get our Bowser to ride along - give Sherm sum kumpanie onna trip.
Ask Tubby an Peanutter ta *zip* the Klowd thru Findlay ... maybe stop fur long enuff
that Sherm kan have a lil romp around da Dawg Park.

When its tyme ... be kinda nice if You'd let Sherman pack his bags an leave frum Home ...
Let him lay his headbone on Momma Pat's Lap, give her a big *Kiss*,
then just close his eyes an go ta sleep ... Just like our Bowser did.

Please God, keep him Happie & Comfortable till it's tyme.

We're also askin You to wrap Momma Pat, Daddy JoJoe, and Sister Star in
Your Loving arms, and shower 'em wiff {{{God'sHugs}}}.

THANKS, God ...

Hey Sherman - Luv ya, Buddy ... Save us a spot onna Bridge ... Safe Trip!!

/s/ da http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif Prayer Pups

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif

[Whisk_Luva]

Oh! No! :(

Please give Sherman a hug for me! :(

Praying for a miracle :(

(((Hugs)))

[anna_66]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I was thinking of you this morninghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/anna66/Smileys/bighug.gif

[k9krazee]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I was thinking of you this morninghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/anna66/Smileys/bighug.gif

Me too, Pat
((((((((Hugs))))))))

[Cincy'sMom]

More hugs coming your way this morning.

[cyber-sibes]

We'll take all the hugs we can get. It still doesn't seem possible, but it's starting to sink in today. :( (need an icon for crying here)

He ate well last night (chicken & peanut butter) as long as I hand-fed him. Then JoJoe mentioned one of his very favorite treats - Yummie Chummies. I remembered stashing a bag with some in the cupboard, and you can see he was pretty pleased! He slept well. He also ate a bit this morning, and still drinking tons of water. He only seems to have pain when he gets up to go out, and as soon as he cried, Star was right at his side. She waited for him & they went out in the yard together. I'm passing on hugs & kisses.

[joycenalex]

thank you for the pictures pat. i'm sending prayers and hugs

[Cinder & Smoke]

http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/frown.gif

Hey Sherman ~

Have a {{{HUG}}}! http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/wink.gif

Here's one for your Mom, Dad, and Star, too >>>
* {{{Hug 1}}}
* {{{Hug 2}}}
* {{{Hug 3}}}

Want another one, Sherm?
*** {{{Sherm HUG}}}

Tell Mom to keep passin the Yummie Chummies! http://petoftheday.com/i/our_smilies/biggrin.gif

[lizbud]

Oh Pat, I don't know what to say. :( My heart is breaking for Sherman
and for you & JoJoe. :( I am so very sorry we missed seeing you guys at
the last Findlay gathering. Sending gentle hugs for your sweet boy.

[dukedogsmom]

Bless his heart, and yours. Those photos bring tears to my eyes. Please hug him for me, ok? I wish a miracle would occur so he could live to grow old with you. And I know you wish it thousands times more.

[Kfamr]

Here's a big bunch of {{{{{HUGS}}}}} for you & Sherman, and the rest of the family, Pat.

If here's anything I can do for you, please let me know.....
More {HUGS}

[anna_66]

This is Robin. Just wanted to let you know that we are still thinking about you guys and keeping you in our thoughts and prayers. It is so good to see some pics of Sherman. He is such a stunning boy.

{{{{{{BIG HUGS}}}}}}}}

[Catty1]

More hugs and more prayers for everyone.

Sherman - what a stunning and handsome boy you are! And Star is being such a good buddy to you. :)

Still hoping for a miracle....HUGS!

[luvofallhorses]

those pictures of him are breaking my heart. :( BIG ((((hugs)))) to you sweet handsome Sherman, Pat, JoeJoe, and Star.

[shais_mom]

oh shermie!
you hang in there now!!

[Ginger's Mom]

I am so very sorry for the way things are going. All I can do is offer more {{{HUGS}}}, and of course I will say more prayers for our big handsome boy.

[lv4dogs]

Oh dear, what a shock. I still have tears in my eyes after reading the last couple pages. Bless your soul Pat for being such a loving & strong furmom, and sweet dear Sherman, bless your soul for being such a wonderful, loving and very strong companion.
I'm sitting here remembering the wonderful few days we got to spend with you & your family last year. We were blessed to have experienced such love & fond memories.
Here's to hoping for a miricale a very big one & I can't think of anyone better for it to happen to!
We love you guys, hang in there & be strong. Many many many hugs are going out to you & your family, fur & skin.

[chocolatepuppy]

Continued prayers and more {{{hugs}}}

[K9soul]

The pictures are both heartbreaking and beautiful. I'm thinking of you and Sherman today and sending many warm hugs your way. You all remain in my prayers. Please give him some kisses for me. I've always thought he had the most beautiful coppery eyes. Sending hugs for Star too of course, she's being such a wonderful sister.

[cassiesmom]

Oh, Pat I am so sorry ... please love, love, love him for me
Thank you,
HUGS
Elyse

[k9krazee]

We're still thinking of you Sherms!

[wolf_Q]

Still thinking of all of you. Those pictures are beautiful and heartbreaking. I can't believe this is happening, I wish there was something that could be done, I know you've done everything possible. :( Sherman is just a few months younger than Nebo. I've always loved that beautiful boy of yours, and he's even sweeter in person, I'm glad I met him. Lots of {{{{HUGS}}} to all of you, and we're still praying for a miracle, if anyone deserves one, it's Sherman.

[Taz_Zoee]

Oh no! I've been gone for a few days and came to check on Sherman. I am so sorry. :( There's really nothing more I can say to you. Just take advantage of the remaining time you have together. :(:(

[jennielynn1970]

Checking in today and hoping that Sherman is feeling a little better at least. My heart is just breaking for your family... those pics are beautiful and just make the tears run down my face even more. Gentle hugs and kisses, Shermie, and to your mom and dad and sis, too.

[Roxyluvsme13]

I've been reading all of this from the beginning, haven't really known what to say.

I'm bawling over here as I just read about Sherman.

((((HUGS)))) to you and a big (HUG), belly rubs, and nose kisses to Sherm. :(

[sasvermont]

Sherman, I hope you are feeling ok today and enjoying your family, love and attention. Be safe fella. You are one handsome dude. And you are loved, for sure.

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((Sherman)))))))))))))))) ))))))))))

[Lady's Human]

Hugs and scritches to Sherman, and hugs to his humans. :(

[Hellow]

I just feel like doingthis to my computer because of everything that has happend:http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sauer/angry-smiley-035.gif

More http://deephousepage.com/smilies/hug.gif coming your way! :)

[dragondawg]

It breaks my heart to post this.
We brought Sherman home to be with us. It is very likely he will be making his trip to the RB very soon. Seeing him, I would say it's more a matter of hours than days.

Aside from oxygen, there is nothing more they can do for him at the hospital. They are encouraging us to wait until the test results are back (mon. or tues) before "making a final decision", but I think they're just trying to be gentle with us. You can see it in their faces.

While the specialists will not make a 100% diagnosis until the tests are complete, it appears that our boy has a substancial mass of cancerous tumors in his lungs. They believe it's spread to his bones and appears to be growing rapidly. The difference in his x-rays & ultrasounds from just days ago is, in their words, "impressive". They are sure enough that they are not beginning any therapy. They said if it turns out that he does have a fungal infection, his prognosis is extremely poor for recovery at all, and can't predict how much permanent damage is likely. They keep saying his case is so unusual, they don't see things like this very often. I just wish it was not happening to our Sherman.

He is resting, I can't really say comfortably, but he is here with us. He does seem happy to be home in his own surroundings. Star is just watching him from a bit of a distance, she looks so sad. We all are.

So, in between crying hysterically and trying to be stoic, I felt I should let all Sherman's friends here on PT know what's going on. They've sent meds for inflamation & pain home with us, (my mother had cancer that spread to her bones, so I know it's painful) and we want to do right by him. He deserves no less. It's just so damn hard to let go.

Thank you for all your prayers,
Pat, JoJoe, & Star

Most cancer puppies have active or latent bacterial secondary infections at the point of diagnosis. Fungal would indeed be worst case. Ask the Vet what the probability is that they can pull him through the secondary bacterial(?) infection in his lungs. That will give you a good handle on decision making. With an impaired immune system it will be rough. Continued antibiotics along with the Predisone to help drain the fluid and decrease the inflammation in the lungs may help. The Prednisone may have some effect on the cancer, which with the infection is both good and bad.

If puppy can get through the infection, then Chemo might be an option afterwards depending on the type detected in the biopsy. Everything hinges on getting the infection under control and eliminated. Damn cancer.

[Catty1]

If what Dragondawg says works out - I want to add this. When my mom's Golden Sandy had lymphoma a few years ago, the vet said chemo did NOT affect dogs the way it does humans, in terms of side effects. It was also surprisingly affordable.

In Sandy's case, the lymphoma grew like a fire with gasoline poured on it...and she was 11, nearly 12. She was sent to the Bridge.

But Shermie is young, so this might be worth a shot. Maybe print out DD's post for reference?

It may be a long fight, but if it is a good chance of winnable,

You know PTrs will help, too! Don't be shy to ask!

HUGS!

[cyber-sibes]

Thanks, dragondawg & catty, we're still waiting to hear from the vet tomorrow, but in all honesty we aren't holding out much hope because of how quickly he's deteriorating, and how far spread the diseased cells are. I didn't read the hospital report thoroughly until this evening (I think was still in shock when I had to sign off on it). It was worse than I thought. They know that his lungs are full of tumors, the largest being 9 cm, about the size of a baseball. Numerous smaller nodules are scattered throughout his lungs. His left front leg & toes already show damage from the lesions. Both his regular vet and the specialists commented (about the xrays) about how rapidly it is spreading. In fact, this hospital is a teaching clinic, and they told us they took additional xrays of his legs to use for instructional purposes, because they so rarely see something like this.
If it was a case with an isolated tumor, we would consider treatment, but even the doctors didn't seem to think that he would survive that.

[Catty1]

Oh no....I am SO sorry...{{{{{hugs}}}}}