Raven's cancer *Final recheck, pg 38 (post 568)*

[K9soul]

I was in class with Raven this morning and she was getting worn out, she started panting and was looking up at me when I noticed something wrong in her mouth. It looked like a fleshy pink growth or abscess on the floor of her mouth that extended between her lower canine and front teeth. It looks alarmingly big to me for being in her mouth, I am not sure how long it has been there as she usually has her mouth closed and when I check her teeth she generally closes her mouth and I look along the outside.

I already have a vet appointment coming up Thursday afternoon because she was getting her lyme vaccination and the other two are getting their rabies. My vet is out of town at a conference until Thursday when he will be back in the office.

She doesn't seem to have any pain or reluctance in eating or chewing or playing, but earlier when she was playing with a ball outside I noticed a bit of blood on it and when I looked at it again it had some pinprick type blood spots on it (probably irritated from carrying the ball around). I just feel really anxious about it. She is only 6 months old and has very healthy teeth and gums, I'm not quite sure what this is and what has caused it.

I guess I was wondering if anyone had seen anything like this before. I'm anxious that I can't get it looked at until Thursday but I guess I will keep a close eye on it and if need be take her to the substitute vet as an emergency, but I don't think it's at that level right now. I'm just really fretting and worrying about this. :( (The "brown" on the lower part of her front teeth is a bit of leaf, she had been playing in the yard with a tennis ball)

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[Cincy'sMom]

A friend of our noticed somthing similar in their 10 yr old dog a few months ago. They saw the vet and were debating if they should have it removed, it went awy on its own. Hope you ahve similar luck with Raven!

[lizbud]

Oh wow, you can see it easily. I don't think I've seen anything like it
before, but if she's eating & playing normally, I would think it's not that
serious.

[K9soul]

Well I've been searching and hunting and I'm wondering if it could possibly be what is called an epulis. It seems it can range from pretty easy to deal with to requiring more in depth surgery and sometimes even radiation. I feel sick with worry :(.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1631&articleid=3057

http://www.bobmckee.com/Client%20Info/Neoplasia/Epilus.html

[mike001]

Thanks for the sites K-Nine. I had never heard or seen anything like this before. The links were very educational.

[wolf_Q]

Oh no, I'm very sorry to hear this. :( I hope if it is an epulis it will be the kind that is easy to deal with. I know how worried you are, I'm the same way, I always look on the internet and make myself worry even worse. Please keep us updated.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I'm just seeing this, Jess. You must be sick with worry. I'll keep you and Raven in my thoughts and prayers. I hope the vet visit gives you some answers real soon. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

[cyber-sibes]

Hope it all checks out okay. Try not to worry too much till then. My Dr. ex-SIL used o tell me: "keep in mind that the chances are far greater that it is not serious. If it is, the chances are greater that it is still not life-threatening." Somehow hearing this always made me feel less anxious.

[Freedom]

Never saw anything like this, so I learned something, again.

You may want to phone the vet about it on Monday, just to give them a "heads up." And sometimes theyy won't give vaccines if the dog is ailing, but I don't know if this would be considered "ailing" or not. Just don't be surprised if they put off the vaccine.

Let us know when you find out more info!

Dear Raven, keeping you in prayers lady!

[K9soul]

I guess I'm not really thinking along the lines of malignancy or life threatening, although that is ALWAYS a niggling fear any time something unusual comes up. But reading things about tooth removal, partial jaw bone removal, recurrence, locally invasive, etc. etc. scare me a lot. She's just a baby, I don't want her to have to go through such things. I know all of that probably won't happen, but for there to even be a chance of it sickens me. :( I'm having a horrible time keeping my anxiety level under control. :(

As far as the vaccination, I doubt it would affect that at all, but even if it did it would be a non-issue. All three of mine are scheduled that day, Tommy and Tasha for yearly physicals, rabies, etc., and Raven at the same time for her Lyme booster. I've debated calling, but with my vet out of town the most they can really do is set up an appointment, which I already have, or send me on to an ER vet, which I don't believe would be appropriate for this.

Thanks for the reassurance and words of understanding.

[Kfamr]

I can see why you're so worried. I hope it turns up to be nothing serious, or like in the situation Amy described, it goes away on it's own.

Have to say, despite being worried, I love Raven's smile.

[chocolatepuppy]

I bet you are worried sick Jessica. Most of the time we worry needlessly and I will pray that is the case for Raven. {hugs}

[dukedogsmom]

Oh Jess, I'm so sorry. Please try not to worry, though I know it's nearly impossible. I hope it's nothing. I know how much she means to you. My stomach feels a little sick, too. I hope it's nothing serious. Please keep us updated.

[shais_mom]

I'm sorry I missed this Jess. I am sending healing vibes and lots of prayers and love for you and Raven...

[ramanth]

Healing vibes for Raven!

[Vela]

Ugh, I'm sorry I didn't see this until today, I wasn't at my comptuer yesterday. Know that you are both in my prayers that's it nothing serious and they can fix it easily. Hugs to you both. I know how worried you are but hopefully it will all be nothing serious. I'm here if you need me.

[k9krazee]

Good thoughts and vibes being sent to you and Raven. I hope its nothing incredibly serious!

[Bengalz]

Gosh that looks so sore :( Have you had any word from your vet? The poor girl - it can't be comfortable for her - what a trooper.

I certainly hope this is something that can be treated or will heal on its own. Thoughts and prayers for you and for dear Raven.

Hugs,
Betty

[Ginger's Mom]

Just seeing this now, Jess. It is really noticeable, I can understand why you would be upset. I am glad to hear that at least it doesn't seem to be effecting her ability or desire to play. I really hope it is nothing serious.

[ChrisH]

I can see why you are worried, but hopefully it'll turn out to be simple to cure or even go away on it's own. Prayers and positive thoughts that that is so.

[K9soul]

Thank you all so much for your words of comfort. I am really a wreck over this. It looks the same today as yesterday to me. I'll be watching it like a hawk until she can get it looked at Thursday. That day can't get here soon enough for me :(

[Giselle]

Oh dear, I really hope it's something minor and easily treatable. Please update us as to what her vet says on Thursday, but try not to worry yourself too much. It's true: too much knowledge isn't always a good thing. :)

[dragondawg]

I was in class with Raven this morning and she was getting worn out, she started panting and was looking up at me when I noticed something wrong in her mouth. It looked like a fleshy pink growth or abscess on the floor of her mouth that extended between her lower canine and front teeth. It looks alarmingly big to me for being in her mouth, I am not sure how long it has been there as she usually has her mouth closed and when I check her teeth she generally closes her mouth and I look along the outside.

I already have a vet appointment coming up Thursday afternoon because she was getting her lyme vaccination and the other two are getting their rabies. My vet is out of town at a conference until Thursday when he will be back in the office.

She doesn't seem to have any pain or reluctance in eating or chewing or playing, but earlier when she was playing with a ball outside I noticed a bit of blood on it and when I looked at it again it had some pinprick type blood spots on it (probably irritated from carrying the ball around). I just feel really anxious about it. She is only 6 months old and has very healthy teeth and gums, I'm not quite sure what this is and what has caused it.

I guess I was wondering if anyone had seen anything like this before. I'm anxious that I can't get it looked at until Thursday but I guess I will keep a close eye on it and if need be take her to the substitute vet as an emergency, but I don't think it's at that level right now. I'm just really fretting and worrying about this. :( (The "brown" on the lower part of her front teeth is a bit of leaf, she had been playing in the yard with a tennis ball)

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Nasty looking little thingy. If you haven't already, you might want to examine the mouth, and under the tongue for any other growths. Obviously the absence of other growths is a positive sign.

Oral cancers tend to occur in much older dogs. That's not to say they can not occur in puppies, but it's extremely rare. The most common oral growth in dogs is focal fibrous hyperplasia - which translates to hyper accelerated growth of the connective gum tissue in a localized location.

The chances are the Vet will ... punt, and refer you to an oral surgeon. The surgeon will remove excess gingival tissue and contour the remaining gingiva. A sample will be sent off to Pathology to confirm its benign, and an Xray will be taken as another safety precaution that there is no evidence of bone infiltration.

If the dog was geriatric, losing weight, anorexia, and lethargic, then cancer would be more of a worry. Chances are high the growth is benign in junior.

[K9soul]

Nasty looking little thingy. If you haven't already, you might want to examine the mouth, and under the tongue for any other growths. Obviously the absence of other growths is a positive sign.

Oral cancers tend to occur in much older dogs. That's not to say they can not occur in puppies, but it's extremely rare. The most common oral growth in dogs is focal fibrous hyperplasia - which translates to hyper accelerated growth of the connective gum tissue in a localized location.


That sounds pretty much like what I was reading about epulis. I have looked really closely at the rest of her mouth and don't see anything else suspicious, so I think, (hope and pray) it is just localized to that area.

I wish I could have it looked at right now... the unknown is the worst of all :(

[finn's mom]

It kindof looks like a Histiocytoma, Finn had one on his toe awhile back. My vet said she sees them typically on young labs on their faces. But, I don't remember her saying that she'd seen one in the mouth, before. But, maybe that's all it is? She also referred to it as a "button tumor." And, I don't remember her saying that it was ever too serious.

Just take a deep breath. Your worrying is only going to make the dogs anxious and nervous, too. Listen to some Phar Lap music, have some tea or something. Count to ten, do some yoga, whatever it is that you know helps you relax. Is there no way to get her into a different vet, just to have it checked out? It could be worth it if you're not able to relax.

And, I am sorry I am just now seeing this. I hope it turns out to be nothing to worry about. She doesn't look affected at all. But, you'll both be in my thoughts!

[Sevaede]

I don't know if this can affect dogs but my boy cat developed several rodent ulcers last year. Maybe it could be that? :(

Good luck! :(

[cloverfdx]

Ohh Jess i am just seeing this now :(. Good vibes on the way for you and Raven {{Hugs}}.

[pitc9]

Hugs to you both! I hope you have answers soon!

[Jadapit]

I'm also just now seeing this. I dont blame you for being worried, I know I would be. You both are in my thoughts. (((Hugs)))

[cloverfdx]

Goodluck at the vets today Jess and Raven (I think today, it is Friday here) {{Hugs}}.

[Vela]

Thinking of you guys and hoping you get good news from the vet. Lots of hugs to you both.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Best wishes for good news today. :) I'll check back for the update.
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}

[pitc9]

Thinking of you today at the vets!!
{{HUGS}}

[shais_mom]

chiming in
that I am thinking of you this morning...

[lizbud]

I have been counting the days as well. I do hope the Vet can give you
some good news on Raven.

[K9soul]

Just got back from the vet. He said it is either an epulis (benign oral tumor) or a fibrosarcoma (cancerous). She is going in tomorrow to have it removed and it will be sent to pathology. Please keep her in your thoughts :(.

[Jadapit]

I pray its the epulis. I know how hard this must be for you. :( Both you and Raven are in my thoughts and prayers. {{{HUGS}}}

[lizbud]

I will keep you both in my prayers. Did the Vet offer any personal opinions?

[chocolatepuppy]

Oh Jessica, I'm going to pray extra hard to God and St. Francis that your little Raven does not have the fibrosarcoma.{{{hugs}}}

[finn's mom]

Jess, I'm sure it will be all fine, she's young and strong! Keep your spirits up, so she will keep hers up, too!

[K9soul]

I will keep you both in my prayers. Did the Vet offer any personal opinions?

Chances are greatest that it is the epulis and he said it is in a common location for an epulis but of course there is always the chance that it isn't. Fibrosarcomas and epulides can look pretty much identical in appearance. His first words on seeing it were, "That needs to come out." So I set it up right away. I will update as well tomorrow..

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. It is very scary for me, and hard to keep my anxiety down.

[lizbud]

I do know what you mean. We are never comfortable until you hear an
all clear from the Vet. Will keep you both in our thoughts and prayers.

[Cincy'sMom]

Sorry to hear the news wasn't better. Hopefully tomorrow will take care of things, Raven will be all better. Thoughts and prayers coming your way.

[luvofallhorses]

:( I will pray that it is benign and hope all goes well! (((HUGS))) to you and beautiful Raven. you both will be in my thoughts and prayers.

[dukedogsmom]

I'm sorry Jess. I was hoping after today that you could stop worrying. I hope it's the kind that isn't cancerous and then this will just be a bad memory. Think good thoughts and have a positive attitude. I'm a firm believer that helps. Give Raven some extra lovin' from me, ok? When are you taking her in for that?

[Reachoutrescue]

Poor Raven. I sure hope all goes well for you and her. Good luck and please give her a BIG PUPPY HUG, AND A BIG HUMAN HUG FOR YOU!!

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I'm so sorry, Jess. Poor you and little Raven. I hope it isn't cancerous and that the surgery will go well.

[critter crazy]

Poor Raven!! We are praying that it is nothing serious!

[Kfamr]

Jess, I know the both of us will be worried out of our minds tomorrow. I will keep Raven in my thoughts, too. Hopefully, it's benign and we can all rest easy afterwards.

Well wishes to Raven for a sucessful surgery and a quick recovery.

Hugs to you, Raven, and the T's. Please keep us updated on that pretty little girl. PM me if you need anything.

[joycenalex]

sending lots of positive energy to raven

[Daisy and Delilah]

I am just seeing this, Jess. Your new baby is already needing surgery. I know you're wondering how this could be happening. I will keep all of you in my thoughts and prayers. Nothing but positive, good, thoughts. It just has to be good news from the vet. Please PM me if I can help you get through this in any way. :(
{{{{{Raven, Jess, Tommy, Tasha}}}}}

[wolf_Q]

I'm so sorry to hear this. I'll be thinking of her tomorrow and I'll say a prayer for your sweet girl. I hope that it is not cancerous and everything will go well with the surgery. {{Hugs}} to you and your pups.

[K9karen]

I'm already hating Friday..so much worry about Raven and Moo. I'll have Raven in my thoughts all day as well and pray it's not cancerous and that he has a quick and easy recovery. Please kiss sweet Raven for me too.

[BC_MoM]

I'm praying for Raven today that all goes well! (((HUGS))) to both of you!

[shais_mom]

Chances are greatest that it is the epulis and he said it is in a common location for an epulis but of course there is always the chance that it isn't. Fibrosarcomas and epulides can look pretty much identical in appearance. His first words on seeing it were, "That needs to come out." So I set it up right away. I will update as well tomorrow..

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. It is very scary for me, and hard to keep my anxiety down.
Thoughts and prayers on the way for you and Raven...

[kallisto4529]

Tons of prayers and postive thoughts for you both today, I pray everything goes well with the surgery and that the results are great news!!!!

[anna_66]

Your both in our thoughts and prayers today. I hope the surgery goes well.

[gemini9961]

Thinking of Raven and you.

[ramanth]

Lots of prayers for you and Raven today!!! *hugs*

[Vela]

Sending out lots of prayers for you both today, for Raven that this is nothing serious and the vet is able to remove everything and we neer see it again! , and for you, that he can comfort your heart with all of these stresses. Big hugs to you both.

[Ginger's Mom]

Prayers continuing for you and Raven. I hope the surgery goes well, and I honestly have a feeling that it is not cancerous.

[K9soul]

Raven is home. She's acting a bit drunk from the anesthesia but looks well otherwise. I didn't get to talk to the vet as he was in surgery but they did get all of the tumor and I just have to wait to hear back from pathology as to what they find. She's home on pain medicine and has a recheck next Wednesday. I'm very glad it's gone and the surgery is over.. now I just want to hear that it is nothing serious. Please keep your fingers crossed.. thank you so much for all your prayers and thoughts for Raven and I.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I'm glad she's home, Jess. I will continue to keep you, Raven, Tommy, and Tasha in my prayers and thoughts. I just know it's going to be nothing serious and she's going to be okay. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

Please give that sweet girl some kisses from me and some for the T's as well.

[K9soul]

Lots of hugs and kisses given :). And here's a quick shot of my sleepy girl.

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[ChrisH]

Aw. bless her. Prayers and positive thoughts on the way for a good biopsy result. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/CwmmawrJet/Smiles/grouphug.gif

[ramanth]

Lots of hugs and healing vibes that it's nothing bad! *HUGS*

[Giselle]

All paws and fingers crossed that Raven's lump is not serious! Even when slightly drugged, she still looks so regal ;)

[chocolatepuppy]

I will continue to keep Raven in my prayers.

[dukedogsmom]

I'm so glad she's home and they got it all. I hope that it was benign and you can go on having the joy she gives you. I don't think that it would be taken so soon. Life has to give us a break sometime, you know? I think Raven is your break. I just love those ears!

[joycenalex]

lots of paw prayers for raven, and of course ((hugs)) for you

[anna_66]

Jess I'm very happy to hear that she's home and doing good. The picture you posted was just as sweet as can be, thanks for sharing that with us:)
Now, all of us here are going to have fingers, toes and paws crossed that it's benign. We love that girl of yours lots!
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[Kfamr]

Jess, she is just beautiful. I am so glad she is home. Now, it's all time for us to hope and pray that the tumor was nothing to worry about. Hugs to you and your sweet girl. Keep us updated.

[lizbud]

Just checking in to see how Raven is doing this morning. I was thinking
about Raven's mouth & how hard it might be for her to eat her normal food.
How is that baby doing?

[K9soul]

Thank you all so, so much for your warm and caring words. I cannot begin to express how much everyone's concern and messages of encouragement have meant to me. I'm going through quite a bit of stress right now and this one about did me in, what a wreck I was! But I am feeling a bit better about it now that it has been taken out. I'm still afraid of any bad news but overall my anxiety is more manageable now.

Liz, she is doing great this morning. I am feeding her just her EVO and soaking it in some lukewarm water for a bit and stirring in some cottage cheese. She is also getting Metacam as an anti-inflammatory. She really is showing no signs of being uncomfortable and gobbles down her food with enthusiasm. She did have some diarrhea this morning but it's probably from all the stress. Hopefully that will clear up soon.

I will certainly keep updated on anything new I find out. She was sleeping cuddled with Tommy last night while I was working.
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[lizbud]

It is so good to know she is taking all this in stride. :) I am constantly
amazed at how well dogs handle these things. It sure makes us poor humans
look like sissies sometimes. Hugs to Raven. :)

[cyber-sibes]

:) So glad she did well & it looks like she's in the clear. She's such a sweet beautiful girl - I love the pics of her cuddling with Tommy. We'll keep her in our prayers for a full recovery.

[dukedogsmom]

I'm so glad that she's doing so well. I think it's sweet of her sleeping with Tommy like that. You sure do have some special dogs. I hope she continues to do well. I'm glad you're feeling better, too :)

[Daisy and Delilah]

Raven's coat is like blue/black velvet. She's just gorgeous. What a nice brother Tommy is to take care of little sis. :)

Jess, I will keep hoping for the best news possible. Raven and the T's have the best Mommy in the world and Mommy is due for some good times :)

[wolf_Q]

I'm glad that sweet Raven is home and doing well. :) I'll be hoping for good news when you get the results back.

[luvofallhorses]

I am so glad she is home and doing well! :) I hope she's back to her old self soon. :)

[finn's mom]

She looks like she's going to be just fine! I hope you get nothing but good news from here on out! Thank you for keeping us posted on her progress, I've been keeping you in my thoughts since you first posted about her. xoxo

[Daisy and Delilah]

Any more news, Jess? I'm so worried about you and Raven. Looking forward to a good update. :)

[Reachoutrescue]

I am so glad that Raven is home and doing well. She is so beautiful and she deserves the very best!

[Kfamr]

How is miss Raven today?

I hope all is still well. Hugs to you both and the T's.

[pitc9]

Oh Tommy, you're such a good big brother!

{{Hugs}} to you Jess!

Paws crossed for good results from the test!

[K9soul]

Thanks for asking about my girl :). She went for her recheck on Wednesday and the vet says it is healing very nicely. Still have not heard back from pathology yet on the biopsy results, hopefully soon.

Meanwhile, Raven says..
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"I'm getting taller than sis!"

[chocolatepuppy]

I'm glad you're healing nicely Raven, still praying for good results back.You sure are getting bigger than Tasha! :)

[Kfamr]

Oh my goodness! She is getting TALL. So curious as to how big she's going to max out at. Hi Tasha, kisses to you sweet girl (shhh... you're still my favorite.)


Anxiously awaiting the results..... {HUGS}

[Reachoutrescue]

Raven is just so stunning! She sure is growing fast! I am glad she is healing well, and I am sure her tests will come back just fine! Please give Raven a big doggy hug for me and (((HUGS))) for you too!

[Daisy and Delilah]

Such a beautiful girl you are Raven. You look adorable standing with your gorgeous sister, Tasha. We're glad you're doing well and we think no news is good news. Keeping you all in our thoughts and prayers :)

[ramanth]

Glad to hear it's healing! :D

[BC_MoM]

Any word from the pathologist yet?
Hopefully no news is good news! :D

[Ginger's Mom]

Just checking in for the latest update on our pretty little girl. You sure are growing big and tall Ms. Raven, but that pretty Tasha girl will always be your "big" sister. ;)

[K9soul]

It is a squamous cell carcinoma and cancerous.

Will post more when I can.

[Vela]

There is a prayer thread posted in Dog General. Sorry rather upset and I forgot to mention it earlier.

[ramanth]

*HUGS* She's a fighter Jess and can beat this.

[Whisk_Luva]

OH! :( Oh no! Poor Raven. I am sure she can fight it! What happens now?

*Hugs*

[pitc9]

Many hugs and prayers for you and Raven!!

[shais_mom]

I agree - she came to you for a reason Jess. She is so young and such a fighter.
Will continue to pray for you both..

[dragondawg]

It is a squamous cell carcinoma and cancerous.

Will post more when I can.

In general a young dog has a better prognosis with cancer than an older dog. Also some suggestions females have a better survival rate over males in the literature. At least you have those two positives going for you.

SCC tends to be invasive locally. You'll probably want to discuss with the Vet about getting an ultrasound of the body cavity just to make sure metastasis hasn't occurred.

Most likely the Vet or a referral to an oncologist will end with the recommendation of local radiation treatments in an attempt to clean up the margins from the surgery. Follow up radiation after surgery seems to be the standard treatment. Although Photodynamic Therapy involving lasers and a photosensitizing agent is also starting to be used. With the site being away from the eyes and nose, that may make it easier on puppy.

Discuss with your Vet whether or not Piroxicam should be given in addition to the radiation. Piroxicam is a Cox-2 drug where in addition to its anti-inflamatory and pain relief properties has been shown to be effective against SCC. Downside of the drug is its ability to cause ulcers. Also quiz your Vet about the use of sucralfate during radiation treatments. It tends to help the tissues in recovering from radiation burns, and decreases gum infections. Not only that but it would protect the stomach if Piroxicam is prescribed.

Diet wise cancer cells crave carbohydrates. Likewise most are unable to metabolize fat with any degree of effeciency. Thus diets low in carbohydrates (sugar worst case), and high in fat plus protein are best. But don't get carried away with too much rich food, else you'll end up with fat puppy. Assuming the dog is not losing weight, probably keeping it on the current dog food is best.

There is quite a bit of data out indicating the Omega-3 fatty acids in fish oil help to slow down the growth of cancers through their anti-angiogenesis (i.e. inhibition of blood vessel growth) properties. Do a search against Ogilvie GK, who has conducted quite a few Veterinary studies in dogs comparing the effects of fish oil on survival rates. He also discusses the use of amino acid supplements such as Arginine. Even after cleaning up the cancer with radiation you may wish to keep the dog on fish oil the rest of its life. I fed my Lymphoma puppy 6000-8000 mg a day during her illness. Worst case if the amount given is too high would be soft stools.

Hopefully follow up radiation will take out the cancer cells left behind from the surgery.

[K9soul]

Thank you everyone for your posts, support and thoughts.

Dragondawg - She is on Innova EVO RM formula supplemented by raw (no grains in her diet), so hopefully I am on the right track on diet though I will ask my vet more about that too. I will also write down the things you mentioned to ask him about.

I tried to do some research but can't handle it as there is a lot of grim articles about oral cancers out there and the prognosis.

The conversation is a bit hazy in my mind because I was in a state of shock, but I do remember him saying it was well differentiated and that is another plus. I understand some of what that means due to being a medical transcriptionist.

[gini]

Mmmmm, I offer you my prayers for Raven. I am so glad that you have Pet Talk to come and talk about this. You are getting such good advice.

[dukedogsmom]

I tried to pm you but your box is full. Please contact me if you need to talk. I've started a prayer thread in the general section. I hope you don't mind. I'm so upset right now, for you and Raven. Hugs to both of you. Don't give up, ok?

[Logan]

I am only now seeing this, Jess. My prayers will be with you and with Raven.

Logan

[cyber-sibes]

:( You & Raven will be in my thoughts & prayers.

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

I am very sorry, Jess. I will continue to keep you and Raven in my thoughts.

[wolf_Q]

I kept checking this thread for good news. I'm sorry to hear this latest update. :( I'm sure she will beat this though, she's a strong little girl and she has you to take care of her. She's lucky you adopted her that day, she could not have ended up in better hands. Many prayers for sweet Raven and {{hugs}} to you Jess.

[Kfamr]

Jess, You and Raven are both such strong beings, I know you two can fight this together. There IS a reason Raven is with you - you are here to help her as she was there to help you. I know she is in the best hands she could possibly be in.

My thoughts are with you, as they have been through this whole journey. I KNOW Raven will be just fine. She is such a young, strong little girl.

I can't help but to shed a few tears as I've already grown to love your little girl and I cherish you as a friend.

I will be here for you whenever you need me. :) Please keep us updated when you can. Pet Talk is a powerful place for support.

[Cincy'sMom]

Jess, I was so shocked and saddened to hesr this news. I pray the doctor's were able to remove the entire tumor, and that Raven's prognosis will be good. Lots of thoughts and prayers coming your way.

[Daisy and Delilah]

OMG Jess. I'm so sorry. I just can't believe this is happening. I will keep you all in my thoughts and prayers. Please get well Raven :(

[Giselle]

:( My stomach flip flopped before I opened this thread. I was hoping so badly for good news, and while I'm saddened to hear that the tumor was cancerous, I'm hopeful for the both of you. I know you two will make it through stronger and more full of life than ever before.

Also, I really don't want to diverge from the topic, but I hope you don't mind if I ask a little question, Jess :) I know squamous cell carcinoma is prevalent in humans with sun-damaged skin. What doesn't click is how puppies can get such a cancer in their mouths. Did your vet have any idea on how that happened?

[K9soul]

Also, I really don't want to diverge from the topic, but I hope you don't mind if I ask a little question, Jess :) I know squamous cell carcinoma is prevalent in humans with sun-damaged skin. What doesn't click is how puppies can get such a cancer in their mouths. Did your vet have any idea on how that happened?

I don't know exact answers to your question although SCC's in people are often related to sun damage, they can also occur unrelated to sun damage as well. However this article might explain it better.

http://www.petcancer.co.uk/cgi-bin/articles/032.htm

It also unfortunately emphasizes the potential severity of this problem, oral cancers are often some of the most aggressive. Otherwise you can google too for more information. I read a bit earlier and could not read anymore as it is too traumatizing for me at this time.

--

To all, thank you again for your thoughts and posts. They are helping to give me strength.

[Giselle]

Thanks for the link. It seems like human skin cancers are common as oral cancers in dogs/cats, I suppose. Not very positive news, but, God, I just know Raven will make it through. I hope you two will keep spending happy and loving moments together because you'll have a lot more of them in the future! Keep strong.

[Reachoutrescue]

Oh my. I am so very sorry. Please try to stay positive. Raven is a fighter and a very brave, strong girl. I will be thinking of her, you, and your family. You both will be in our prayers. Stay strong, even though I know it is heard. We at PT are hear for you. Please give Rave a big hug and scratch on the head form me.

[BC_MoM]

This is not the kind of news I was hoping to hear. Not at all.

Jess, I am so sorry. You must be devastated. Hold on tight, the M&M's and I are sending some strong, faithful prayers and good vibes to you and little miss Raven!

[k9krazee]

Many, many pawsitive thoughts and prayers are on the way for you and you're little girl. You will get through this ((((hugs)))))

[K9karen]

I feel so sick. I was praying for a different diagnosis. I'm so so sorry. But I'm a firm believer in miracles and pray that beautiful Raven will overcome this. {Hugs} to all of you.

[captain]

Jess,
I am sorry I have not managed to respond until now, but please know that my prayers and positive thoughts are with you both.

[chocolatepuppy]

Jessica, I too am a firm believer in miracles. My Mandy was one. I will pray to God and St.Francis that Raven will win this battle. I will keep you in my prayers also. {{{hugs}}}

[kallisto4529]

I am so very sorry to hear this news. You both are in my prayers and I will continue to send postive thoughts your way, I dont know either of you very well, but you both from what i have gotten in your post seem to be very special, God brought you both together for a reason, just trust in Him and He will get you through this along with everyone here.

[Sudilar]

Prayers for a miracle. I do believe. I've seen them. Hugs to you and Raven.

[finn's mom]

I replied to the thread Vela started, too, Jess...but I wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you. And praying for the best possible scenario for young Raven.

[K9soul]

Just got back from the vet. They did not get all the cancer, and it is beginning go grow back already. Pathology told him it would not be able to be excised, it is too deep. He is calling the University of MN to find out what our options are, but it will have to be something radical in order to stop it from metastasizing if she is to have a chance. Best case I am hoping for is if they think radiation will be effective. He also said we may have to remove part of her jaw.

My whole body feels sick and numb. God help us through this please.

[Whisk_Luva]

OH! Poor Raven :( And Poor You :(

[lizbud]

Will they do the surgery & then the radiation treatments? I do hope
they can stop the spread of the disease. Raven will always be a beautiful
baby no matter what her mouth looks like.I will pray for strength for you
Jess, and for the Doctors too. (((hugs)))

[Kfamr]

I know there is nothing I can say to make this better for you. :(
{{{HUGS}}}



I had completely forgot about a dog I grew up with, named Pooter. She was my neighbor's dog, rescued from a young age like Raven. Pooter developed the same sort of Cancer that Raven has, almost in the same spot, too. It's blowing my mind right now because it's so bizzare that it's such a similar situation. I had forgotten about it until now.

Pooter was around 8-9 years old when the tumor began growing and was fed horrible food. The vet said she'd probably be gone within the next year because of the cancer. Pooter lived to be 16 YEARS OLD.

Now, if Pooter did it, so can Raven!

[gini]

Kay, your post brings tears to my eyes. What a lovely story to share right now.

YES RAVEN! You are far too young and you can do this!

[cyber-sibes]

A great story, Kay! A good reminder that just cause "they" say so, doesn't mean it's so.

((((hugs))) to you and Raven. Treatments have come a long way, and it seems like your vet wants to pool all his resources to give her the best chance. Raven doesn't realize she's sick, so she's going to keep going one day at a time, giving all the love she has to you. Love is an amazing healing force. Please know your PT friends will be praying for her and sending you both loving vibes.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Great story Kay. That's the way we all need to think to get this girl through this. Everybody please keep praying as hard as you can for Raven, Jess, and the T's. With our constant prayers, we can help bring them through.

She's young and she's strong enough to fight this off. Come on Raven girl!! Get better sweetheart. Your loving Mom, brother, and sister, need you! All of us here at PT need you too.
{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}

[Jadapit]

What an uplifting story Kay. Jess, I really dont know what to say to make you feel better, I know your world has been turned upside down at this point and time. You have ALL our love, support and prayers here on PT. My thoughts and prayers are with you and beautiful Raven every day. (((Hugs)))

[shais_mom]

I am so sorry about all this. It just stinks.
{{hugs to you both}}

[Cincy'sMom]

I don't know what to say, except that you both are in our thoughts and prayers.

[Giselle]

:( We're all hoping that she'll respond to the radiation and that the cancer will not metastasize and go away forever!!

Cancer treatments are so advanced these days; I'm sure Raven will make it through brighter and stronger than ever before! *hugs to you and Raven*

[wolf_Q]

I'm so sorry to hear this latest update. :( We all love your sweet Raven and we're praying for her.

[dukedogsmom]

I am heartbroken over this. I'm so very sorry. Raven's age will be in her favor. Please don't give up. We will all be here for you. I'm really at a loss for words. Please contact me if you ever need to talk.

[Ginger's Mom]

I will keep praying longer and stronger for you and Raven. This must and will end up with a happy ending, and hopefully without too much more strain on you. I don't know what to say except {{{Hugs}}}

[luvofallhorses]

:( I really don't know what to say except my thoughts and prayers
are with you and beautiful Raven every day. ((((HUGS))))

[lv4dogs]

I've been reading this thread for some time now, I am sorry it took me so long to reply. I am so sorry to hear the news. :( Yous are certainly in our thoughts & prayers. I'm lighting a candle as I type this, for your Raven girl. hugs to you both & some extra scritchin's to that sweet girl of yours.

[zoey]

Raven's in my thoughts and prayers as well.

[dragondawg]

Thank you everyone for your posts, support and thoughts.

Dragondawg - She is on Innova EVO RM formula supplemented by raw (no grains in her diet), so hopefully I am on the right track on diet though I will ask my vet more about that too. I will also write down the things you mentioned to ask him about.

I tried to do some research but can't handle it as there is a lot of grim articles about oral cancers out there and the prognosis.

The conversation is a bit hazy in my mind because I was in a state of shock, but I do remember him saying it was well differentiated and that is another plus. I understand some of what that means due to being a medical transcriptionist.

Your diet sounds fine. But no more ice cream on the side. ;)

The worst part about having a puppy dog with cancer is the initial shock and often having to make treatment decisions while still being in a haze. Been there, done that with lymphoma. Learn as much as you can about the SCC in dogs, so you know what to expect, and can anticipate any future problems.

A well differentiated cancer is sort of like saying the cells involved know what they want to be in life- associated with the gum or oral tissues. They are committed genetically to differeniate into that type of tissue. Undiffereniated means the cells are more likely to drift off via metastasis and try to become lung cells, or some other tissue mimic. Thus differeniated cancers are less likely to be agressive and undergo metastasis - a definite plus.

Unless an ultrasound picks it up elsewhere, chances are follow up radiation will clean things up.

[Kfamr]

Everyone, please take a look at Vela's thread in General.
http://www.petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?p=1794774

Jess and Raven will need our help.

[Vela]

Thank you for linking that Kay, I keep forgetting to do that, my brain is not fucntioning at 100% since finding this out.

[cyber-sibes]

Everyone, please take a look at Vela's thread in General.
http://www.petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?p=1794774

Jess and Raven will need our help.thanks for posting a link, Kay. I've been posting here & didn't see the other one yet.

[angelchampy]

I'm so sorry about what you're both going through. I lost my baby to liver cancer. I only found out when she had 3 months left. It's a terrible pit in my stomach and I can feel your pain without even knowing you. You're both in my thoughts and prayers. Be strong for her.

[ramanth]

MANY more prayers and healing vibes. *HUGS*

[Reachoutrescue]

Oh, my. I am so very sorry for Raven. I really am pulling for her. My thoughts and prayers are with you both.

"Please, Lord, see them through this. Spare sweet Raven. Let her remain her with Jessica for years to come. Watch over both of them in this time of need. Amen."

I pray this helps....even a little.

[slick]

Jess, you are in my thoughts and prayers.

I don't have much money but if someone could tell me where to donate to, I'll be happy to do what I can.

Remember this from your poem????

Sometimes the hardest thing to do-
is reach for the hand that cares-
to hold it without crushing it-
and to let go when we need to walk on our own

Know that all of us are holding out our hands to you to hold tightly and we will help you get through this. You are not alone in this by any means! With all the prayers going out for you, God must be working alot of overtime hours.

Keep the faith. If Pooter can do it, so can Raven.

Big {{{hugs}}} Jess.
xoxo

[jennielynn1970]

My goodness... I just read through this entire thread and it's just a heartbreaking case. Poor Raven... she's just a baby! It caught my eye because my father just had surgery for the exact same thing. SCC of the mouth. They had to do radical surgery, and even more radical plastic surgery (his doctor is in Hershey, PA.. .which is a great place for humans... Philly is the place for pets in eastern PA).

I do have to say that he had 3 surgeries prior to this last one. They were quite simple/minor compared to this past surgery. They said he was lucky that he didn't lose his upper palate. He was a farmer all his life, so it was sun damage. It was just such a huge amount that he had been told 2yrs ago that the margins were clear and he had nothing to worry about. That was a different doctor, and he's a putz.

I'm sure that Raven will be able to make it through this. She's a young girl, and she looks like she's got a lot of fight in her! I know it's not the same, technically, as a human's SCC, but having watched my dad go through all of it (he's now putting a cream on his face that kills the precancerous cells... it's really nasty looking), I'm hoping that Raven will be a brave girl and do really well with any treatment that they have to give her. It would be a shame if she had to lose any of her jaw, but as long as she'd be healthy and have a long life ahead of her, I know you'd love her just the same.

Keep your chin up. Be strong for Raven. Your friends here at PT will be strong for you... we'll be here to talk to, even if we don't "know you" personally. I'll be keeping you and Raven in my thoughts and prayers. She's to young and too sweet looking to have anything so horrible happen to her. There's just way too much cancer going around in our pets! Our shelter lost 2 cats in the past 6months to brain tumors, and there was a 3rd diagnosed a month ago. Something is going wrong in our environment.

Again, my thoughts and prayers are with you... take care of yourself and give Raven a gentle hug for me, and a belly rub if she likes those! I miss having doggies!

[K9karen]

I believe in miracles. I do. Raven's still a pup and I know he'll beat this. Jaw or no jaw, he'll always be beautiful. As long as he gets healthy, it's a small price topay. Hugs to all of you

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

I am so very sorry, Jessica. Be strong for Raven, she needs you. I have been reading this thread hoping for better news. I am sending you prayers and good thoughts. :(

[kallisto4529]

I am so very sorry and heartbroken for you at this diagnosis. But keep trying to be positive and we will keep all the prayers and positive thoughts going for both of you!!!!!

[ChrisH]

Oh, Jess, my heart goes out to you. Prayers and positive healing thoughts on the way for you both.

[anna_66]

Jess sweetheart, I just don't know what to say :(

Both you and Raven are in my thoughts and prayers.

[Sudilar]

Prayers for a miracle are still going your way. Hugs.

[Queen of Poop]

Prayers for you that you have the strength to get thru all of this and remain positive for Raven. Prayers for Raven that being young will help and that the doctors can work miracles. They happen every day, with all of us praying for it, surely it will come to be.

To my dear ferret angels, I know cancer took you from me, could you see what you can do for dear Raven? Please.

[K9soul]

I am pasting this, what I posted in the thread in General:

Dear Pet Talkers,

I have witnessed in the past what a caring and wonderful community of people this is, but there is just no way to realize the incredible impact of it until you are the one being helped. I feel so overwhelmed it is very difficult to try to come up with adequate words. This situation has been such a shock to me, a nightmare. Who in the world thinks that their puppy might develop malignant cancer before they are a year old? And oral cancers being some of the most aggressive.

I had another shock when I saw this thread. Vela, my dear friend who has gone through the emotional roller coaster with me, from the time I adopted my little imp until now when we are fighting for her life, has been there every step of the way. I could not have hoped for a truer friend. And I feel the same for all of you, all who have offered support, prayers, offers of help. Every last shred of it will never, ever be forgotten by me.

I still do not know as much as I would like, but Raven is going in Monday to see a specialist who has done many of these types of surgeries. He will be assessing her and deciding how radical and how much will be necessary, whether some of the bone needs to be taken and so on. Right now the next step all depends on his assessment, but the specialist (Dr. Koblik) will probably be doing the surgery. I am not sure if he would take her to his clinic or how that works yet. I have to drop her off Monday morning at my vet's office and he will be calling me with Dr. Koblik's recommendations when he sees her, and a more ballpark idea of what cost is involved. The less they have to deal with going into the jawbone, the less cost will hopefully be involved.

I just know my girl is going to beat this. We have a purpose together, she and I. I am grateful beyond any ability to express through words to all of you. Thank you from Raven and I, from the bottom of our hearts.

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The thing is growing back very quickly, and is a bit more spread than it was the first time. I just want something done ASAP. Hopefully by next week sometime, all of this will be over and we will truly be back on the road to recovery.

[Reachoutrescue]

Oh, Jess, I am praying for Raven, so much. Please keep us posted, and try to stay positive.

[cassiesmom]

Prayers for you that you have the strength to get thru all of this and remain positive for Raven. Prayers for Raven that being young will help and that the doctors can work miracles. They happen every day, with all of us praying for it, surely it will come to be.

To my dear ferret angels, I know cancer took you from me, could you see what you can do for dear Raven? Please.

All of the above!!! Plus: Prayers for the doctors and gratitude that you have found a specialist who can see Raven so quickly and make a recommendation about treatment... Angel GiGi and Churchie, Poco and Jasmine, this is one of those times when i need you, please...

[dukedogsmom]

It just breaks my heart every time I think about it. I know she can beat it, as well. I, too, will be glad she's on the road to recovery. I think I feel about Dasher the way you feel about Raven. It's meant to be. And we must have a happy ending to this. Or should I say beginning?

[Kfamr]

Jess,

I hope you don't mind but I've enlisted the help of another forum & my myspace friends as well. I've asked all of them to keep Raven in their thoughts.

We're all here for you two..... keep your head up.

Kay

[K9soul]

You guys are really the best. I can't imagine not having PT prayers to help us through this, I know they are helping, I feel so much more confident that we will beat this.

I took some new pics of it earlier. Keep in mind a week ago it was not visibly there at all. The vet had taken it out and cauterized it and there was actually a bit of a depression where it had been.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/DSC_0006.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/cancer2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/cancer1_edited-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/cancer3.jpg


Obviously she is not worried about it ;).

[Whisk_Luva]

I so wish I could make it all better 4 u both :(

[luvofallhorses]

Whisk_Luva,

I wish I could, too. :(
She WILL beat this, she has you and I know you two are meant to be together. (((Jess & Raven))) You guys are in my thoughts and prayers every day.

[Kfamr]

Jess,

I wanted to share another story with you - a lady on another forum owns this website and it was uplifting for me to read. Gives me even 10x's more hope for Raven!

http://www.cinnamondog.com/index.html

Those pictures are beautiful, Jess. I love her smile and those eyes are so beautiful.

[lizbud]

I am so glad Raven still feel good and hope they can help her soon. Prayers continue for her and for you.



Kay, what an incredible story of Sander. :) This story is very inspiring.

[K9soul]

The pictures look as if they didn't take it out at all. I am so glad Raven
still feel good and hope they can help her soon. Prayers continue for her
and you.

It seems very aggressive. I wish I had thought to take some photos right after it was removed the first time but at that time I thought that was the last I'd see of the thing. I'm recording with pictures now her journey through this. I may make a scrapbook someday to show how she beat it, God willing.

This pic I did get just a few days ago. You can see how flat it still was even then, I was still unsure at that time if it was just healing tissue or coming back. I did not know the path report at the time yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/cancer.jpg


ETA: Thank you for the link Kay, that is a very inspiring story indeed. Very uplifting.

[Reachoutrescue]

Jess, you and Rave are in our prayers. I hope she makes a full recovery. Try to stay strong. Give her a hug for me and one for yourself.

[lizbud]

Sorry Jessica, I edited my post a little as I tried to remember if Raven had
a biopsy instead of the removal of the lump. :o I didn't want to make it
seem worst than it is. :( More (((hugs))) to you both.

[K9soul]

Please don't worry Liz :). My vet did remove the entire thing the first time and sent it for biopsy. There's no way to deny the way it has quickly grown back that it is not a nice thing. It is hard to think about much else! :(. Thank you again for all your comforting words and prayers. It means so very much.

[Queen of Poop]

Thank you for the photos. It makes it much easier than trying to visualize the problem. You and Raven are still in my prayers and thoughts. I trust that my ferret angels will be hard at work doing whatever they can for Raven. Hugs for you both.

[Kalei]

OH my gosh! I never seen this thread til now. I am so glad I seen it. Raven will be the first person I pray for tonight and tomorrow and the next until she is all better. I am so sorry that you and her have to go through this. It is very nice to know that Raven is at least still keeping happy!:)

Keep updating us, I will pray so much for her and you.

a Pt Friend, Kalei

[Taz_Zoee]

You and Raven will be in my thoughts until this problem is conquered!!!

[cyber-sibes]

Raven looks so very happy in those pictures. What a beautiful spirit! Kay, that story is amazing, a beautiful tribute to Sander. I'll keep praying Raven may have a similar happy story.

[ramanth]

I just adore that sweet smile of hers.

[dukedogsmom]

Raven does look like a happy girl and that's your doing. With that happy outlook, it will be a lot easier for her to handle all that she might possibly have to go through. Not knowing, I think, is more scary. Once we know just what's wrong, we can tackle it head on. She's such a sweet dog. You two are always in my thoughts. I pray it won't be as bad as it could be.

[krazyaboutkatz]

I'm so sorry to hear about Raven.:( You'll both be in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

[dragondawg]

Just got back from the vet. They did not get all the cancer, and it is beginning go grow back already. Pathology told him it would not be able to be excised, it is too deep. He is calling the University of MN to find out what our options are, but it will have to be something radical in order to stop it from metastasizing if she is to have a chance. Best case I am hoping for is if they think radiation will be effective. He also said we may have to remove part of her jaw.

My whole body feels sick and numb. God help us through this please.

In looking at the picture of your puppy, my Barney could be its twin.

Have the Vets yet to do an ultrasound on the body cavity checking for metastasis? Obviously if it has already spread then radical surgery isn't going to do much after the fact. If it hasn't been done, I'd ask the UM to check for metastasis.

I agree with your thoughts the best case is that if it hasn't gone into the underlying bone. Then another surgery with wider margins, and very quicky followed up with radiation might get it. One item I ran across in the literature is that the sooner after surgery radiation is done, the more effective it is in zapping left over cells. The reason is that scar tissue forming from the operation can form a partial shield for remaining cancer cells not removed. Time periods mentioned for radiation treatment starting was under a week post surgery for best results.

Hopefully you'll get the best case scenario out of the situation.

[jennielynn1970]

I just wanted to post this link that I saw for dogs that have cancer. It's for the Vetrinary Hospital for the University of Pennsylvania. It's one of the best teaching hospitals for the care of animals in PA. When a dog or cat is ill, and they don't know what to do at the vet office, this is where they go. This link is for the cancer section... granted it says it's lymphosarcoma, but it does have other links that are useful as well, and links for the vet hospital too.

www.dogdoggiedog.com

[anna_66]

Jess I wish there was something I could do or say to make this all go away, but of course the best any of us can do is give prayers and hope that they are able to take care of this and give Raven and you many years together.

Those pictures really made me smile. She looks so happy.

Many (((HUGS)))
Anna

[Kfamr]

Call me nerdy, but I've been reading up on oral cancers in dogs all morning. Just wanting to learn more about them and thinking of Raven.

I never knew how common oral cancer in dogs actually is. I didn't think it to be so common.

More {{HUGS}} being sent your way.

[finn's mom]

I'm still thinking of you guys daily. She's such a pretty girl. I hope this gets resolved.

[gini]

You both have my prayers. I am so hopeful that Raven can beat this!

[wolfsoul]

I haven't been on PT much lately so I've completely missed this. :( I'm so sorry to hear about Raven...I know what it's like to have a dog with cancer. If you ever want to talk, you know I'm here. Good luck with everything Jess, I'll be rootin' for you guys.

[K9soul]

You guys are really the best. That sounds so lame but I mean it with all my heart. Animal/pet people truly are some of the kindest people I know.

Kay, if that is nerdy than I am a nerd too :D. I always want to read up and learn about things like that too. I've read a few articles and it seems to be one of the more common types of cancers in dogs, however it is not so common for it to occur in such a young dog. I've read it is more common in dogs who have gums with dark pigmentation, which Raven does have. You can see in this picture the dark pigmentation in her gums in that area:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/DSC_0009.jpg

I am trying to learn all I can from this too. Thank you again for all your love and support.

[wolfsoul]

I've read it is more common in dogs who have gums with dark pigmentation, which Raven does have.
That's so interesting -- we have a black standard poodle that comes in to be groomed who had a similar tumor on his toe and it had to be amputated -- about a month after, I met someone with a black giant schnauzer who is missing several toes due to tumors on them. She told me the vet said dogs with black feet and toenails are more susceptible. I wonder if some cancers really are to do with pigment! I hope my black doggies never go through what you and Raven are going through. But I know you guys will get through it!

[cassiesmom]

I so wish I could make it all better 4 u both :(
me too ... will you let us know how Monday goes. [[[hugs]]] k9soul and raven

[dukedogsmom]

All the best wished for you both tomorrow. Fingers and paws crossed here. I know you won't get much sleep tonight but try not to worry too much, ok?

[Daisy and Delilah]

Just want to send out some more hugs for you two(some for the T's too) tomorrow, Jess. I'll anxiously wait for good news :)
{{{{{{{RAVEN, JESS, TOMMY, TASHA}}}}}}} :)

[chocolatepuppy]

Jessica, you and Raven will be in my thoughts and prayers, especially tomorrow.{hugs}

[Chilli]

Just popped in to let you know that I was still thinking of you and Raven. :)
We're still rooting for you, and you'll continue to be in our thoughts!
(((hugs)))

[Kfamr]

I'm heading to bed soon but I will be sure to think of you both as you visit the specialist tomorrow.

I will be at work tomorrow but I can answer my cell if needed, so feel free to give me a call if you need someone to talk to. :)

[K9karen]

Just want you to know that I'm still praying for you, Jess, and Raven. Good luck at the specialists. {Hugs}

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Everything crossed!

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

I am still praying for you both, I hope everything goes well at the specialist. http://www.paperdemon.com/images/forum/mysmilies/15pxyellow_hug.gif

[anna_66]

Sending (((HUGS))) and positive vibes your way today.

[ChrisH]

Extra prayers going out today. {{hugs}}

[ramanth]

Still praying for you two. *hugs*

[K9soul]

I took Raven to my vet's office a bit ago where she will spend the day. He has called in a specialist/surgeon to come in and evaluate and assess what he feels would be the best way to proceed. Raven will be sedated for the exam so that Dr. Koblik can get a thorough good look at everything without her squirming. I am not sure what time it will be but I am supposed to call around 3 p.m. and check up on the situation, and of course they have my number too.

Someone on another site made a page for her where candles can be lit for her. If you'd like to take a moment and light one it is here: Candles for Raven (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Raven)

Thank you again for all your prayers. My stomach is just in knots. The "waiting game" is the hardest.

[finn's mom]

The "waiting game" is the hardest.

That's the truth. We're all waiting, too, Jess. You aren't alone.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Candle lit - fingers crossed

[Jadapit]

I said a prayer for both you and Raven before lighting my candle. You both are in my thoughts and prayers. (((Hugs)))

[Ginger's Mom]

I, too, said a prayer and lit a candle for you both. {{{Hugs.}}}

[dukedogsmom]

Angel Duke and my guardian angels are Raven's untill she no longer needs them. I, too, will be glad when we know something.

[Daisy and Delilah]

My stomach is in knots too Jess. I can only imagine what you're going through. Raven is in the very best hands. I am only thinking positive thoughts. Me and the girls lit a candle for Raven.
{{{{{HUGS}}}}} Love, Terry, Daisy and Delilah :)

[slick]

Candle lit from me and Max. Praying for you Raven and Jess.

[cassiesmom]

candle lighted, prayers offered ... hug ... elyse

[Sevaede]

*hugs* and well wishes and good thoughts for Raven and mama! :(

[Kfamr]

My candle for Raven is lit.

Anxiously awaiting here, too.

When Kiara was missing I started to lose hope. However, with some sort of miracle she is in my arms today. I believe Raven will have the same fortune. :)

[Taz_Zoee]

Candle is lit. (tears welling in eyes)
Raven is always in my thoughts.

[chocolatepuppy]

I lit a candle for you Raven and I will continue praying for you. We are all here for you Jessica.{{{hugs}}}

[dukedogsmom]

Candle lit now. I hope you get an update soon. We're all anxiously waiting.

[K9soul]

Raven is back home for now and a sleepy puppy :). She is scheduled for surgery on Friday. The specialist feels surgery has a very good chance of success. He has done several similar surgeries and had very good results most of the time. They will be taking out a somewhat wide area and perhaps some of the bone and teeth in that area.

He does not recommend radiation as he says recent studies have shown some negative effects such as osteomyelitis of the jaw, and feels it would not really add anything to the chance of success overall.

So the surgery will be done Friday morning and she hopefully will be able to come home on Saturday. Thank you so much for keeping us in your thoughts and prayers.

[dukedogsmom]

I'm so glad he's optomistic on the surgery. And no radiation means she'll be stronger to fight after the surgery. I know it's going to be a long week, Jess. Please give all your dogs hugs and lovin' from me but some extra ones to her. I know you're glad to have her back home with you. I'm glad she won't be away from you long, too. I feel somewhat relieved though won't feel a lot better until it's all done. Stay strong, ok? Wish I could give you a hug because I know you need it.

[slick]

Thanks for the update Jess. We will all keep the prayers coming and on Friday a special prayer will be said. Gee, I've got tears in my eyes just typing this.....I can only image how you must feel.

Big {{{hugs}}}

[Queen of Poop]

Thanks for the update. I am glad the surgeon is leaning towards the positive and that he's seen this and done this surgery before. Please give Raven loads of hugs all week. You will both be in my thoughts and prayers.

[cassiesmom]

I am glad the surgeon is leaning towards the positive and that he's seen this and done this surgery before.
I am glad, too! I'm glad you had access to an experienced surgeon when it mattered most.


Please give Raven loads of hugs all week.
Some for me, too, please.


You will both be in my thoughts and prayers.
Mine, too. You already are.

[Ginger's Mom]

I am glad to hear that the surgeon was so positive about her chances. I am sure he is right. More hugs and prayers being sent out from NJ for you and Raven (and Tasha and Tommy, too).

[My Peanuts]

Jess, I don't know how I am just seeing this. I'm sorry I didn't offer my prayers sooner. I can't believe this is happening to poor Raven.

I know that the cancer is growing quickly, but, for the most part younger animals and people's cancer does grow faster. It's because they can heal better too. I hope you can take some comfort in that.

I will be sending some money to help with Raven. I know how it feels to have huge un-plannable vet bills and I'd love to help you.

Again, I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. You and Raven will be in my thoughts and prayers and I just know she will be ok.

Diana

[Karen]

We'll be praying for her, especially Friday!

[anna_66]

Jess I'm so very glad to hear that the vet has such a good outlook for the surgery.
I lit a candle and will be keeping you all in my prayers.
More (((HUGS)))
Anna

[zippy-kat]

{{Thinking of you, Jess!}}

[Sudilar]

Prayers still going your way, there will be special prayers on Friday. Hugs.

[Cincy'sMom]

I thought about you guys this morning while I was on a lay over in Minnesota on my way to CA. Glad to hear things went well with the specialist. All paws crossed Friday will go well and this will all be behind you.

[Kfamr]

I apologize for just now checking in, Jess. I've been occupied with the pups and trip planning all afternoon and decided to take a break from it. I had read the news earlier just not clearly & thoroughly.

The recent update seems to be a pretty good one to me. A new sense of hope, IMO. I'll bet it's a bit releiving for you as well. It's great that he has such a positive outlook for little Raven. She is in such good hands with him as her surgeon it seems.

I am curious as to how much they will be taking out. It seems so fascinating to me, modern veterinary and all. Isn't it amazing what they can do for our furkids nowadays?
Sorry, my mind is buzzing at the moment and I'm just babbling now.

Continued thoughts heading your way..... it's going to be a long wait for Friday!

[Giselle]

That's greyt news from the surgeon! I know Raven is going to beat this :)

As for the bone/teeth loss, please give Raven a kiss for me and tell her not to worry. There was a Greyhound pup on another board who was in an accident which left him with less than half of his top jaw. It was simply gruesome to look at, but he's loving life and living each day to the fullest. It was truly inspirational, and if Raven needs a little bone taken out, give her a big hug for me and tell her she can beat it! :)

[Daisy and Delilah]

Even though this is going to be so hard for you and Raven, I'm happy to hear that the surgeon is encouraged by what he saw. I won't stop praying for you and your little family Jess. I know Raven can beat this. She's a young, strong girl and she can make it. I know she can do it. You all have all of our love and support. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

[Dorothy39]

Thank- you for the Update ~ K9soul~ Jess!!!

I've kept Raven in my thoughts and Prayers , each and every moment :cool:

[luvofallhorses]

I lit a candle for beautiful Raven, Jess. I am glad
she has a good update. Please give her a gentle hug for me.
You guys are in my thoughts and prayers each day and I hope
all goes well on Friday.
((((HUGS))))

[sandragonfly]

I'll definitely be praying for and thinking of your girl raven and you...(((hang in there both))) xo.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

That sounds very positive and hopeful :) Good luck beautiful Raven, we will all be with you on Friday

[pitc9]

I lit a candle for Raven.

Glad to hear the Dr. is positive about the surgery, my prayers and thoughts are with you both.
{{{hugs}}}

[angelchampy]

I lit a candle for our pretty girl. The surgeon sounds like he has alot of hope. That's fantastic. I'll keep the prayers going and please update us after the surgery. Hugs to both of you. ;)

[wolf_Q]

I lit a candle for Raven too, yesterday. I'll be thinking of you both on friday, I hope the surgery goes well and they will be able to get all of it. Raven will beat this, she's a strong pup. {{hugs}}

[slleipnir]

I'm a bit late responding here as well. I didn't have the chance to read through it all. The news sounds good though, and she will be in my prayers!!

[kallisto4529]

I lit a candle for you and for Raven, you both are continually in my prayers, hopefully the surgery will take care of everything and Raven can live a long and healthy life with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kfamr]

Some happy Tuesday thoughts being sent.... Hugs to you both and the T's! :)

[My Peanuts]

I've been thinking about you and Raven, Jess. All these good vibes, prayers, and well wishes will make all the difference :)

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

I was thinking of you today, Jess. More prayers coming for Raven - stay strong! :D

[lizbud]

Still holding Raven & you in my prayers for a good recovery from this.
((hugs)) to you both.

[K9soul]

Thank you so very much for keeping us in your thoughts and prayers. The last couple of days have been a bit calmer but now my anxiety is really on the rise again as tomorrow approaches. I wish it were over already :(.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I lit another candle for Raven, Jess. Still keeping you all in my foremost thoughts and prayers. I too wish I was there to give you a hug in person. I know you can use lots of hugs right now. I am praying that you have the strength that you need to see this through. Please be well Raven girl. Momma needs you honey. {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}

[Reachoutrescue]

Jess, you and Raven are in our thoughts and prayers. I pray all goes well tomorrow for sweet Raven. Stay possitive. I know it is hard, but please try to take it easy. Good luck tomorrow sweet girl.

[K9soul]

I took Raven out a bit ago and snapped a few pictures of her. Also another shot of the ugly tumor.. It is growing fast.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Tommy%20Tasha%20Raven/raven1-7.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Tommy%20Tasha%20Raven/raven2-4.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Tommy%20Tasha%20Raven/raven5-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Tommy%20Tasha%20Raven/raven7.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Tommy%20Tasha%20Raven/raven6-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Tommy%20Tasha%20Raven/raven8.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/cancerapril19.jpg

This was 8 days ago:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Ravens%20Cancer/ravenmouth.jpg


She is licking at her lips more often lately. I think it is bothering her. :(

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Aw bless her - it is bound to be bothering her at the moment. She looks great though!

Good luck for tomorrow precious girl(s). We will all be thinking of you

[Vela]

Such a pretty girl. I will be so releived when they get that thing out of her mouth!!! Then she can go back to being the precocious precious puppy that she is without that horrid thing in the way!

Love you guys!

Give Ravan lots of hugs and kisses from me, and of course Tommy and Tasha too.

[cassiesmom]

K9soul, Raven is beautiful. I love her pretty, shiny coat. I hope the surgeon can remove the tumor from her mouth without having to cut away too much bone. Please give her a huge hug from me. Will be waiting for a post-operative report with fingers and paws crossed.

[Daisy and Delilah]

She's absolutely beautiful, Jess. Great pictures of her. I can see that she has a real zest for life. She's so energetic and carefree. She's going to be fine. I just know it :)

[Ginger's Mom]

More prayers and good thoughts going out for that pretty and special little girl. I will definitely be praying extra hard tomorrow. I LOVE this picture
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/k9soul/Tommy%20Tasha%20Raven/raven6-1.jpg
She is such a beautiful and joyful girl, I just know that everything will turn out alright. I am just so sorry you have to go through this long process.

[pitc9]

I'm sending millions and millions of hugs and prayers to you and Raven for tomorrow!

I can't even start to imagine what you are going throug Jess.
Please know that we all are here for you!

[gini]

Raven, you are an example of how all of us should lead our lives - with joy and zest.

Beautiful girl you have all of our prayers that the surgery will be 100% successful and we too can share in your recovery and watch you go back out to play once again!