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Reachoutrescue

01-30-2007, 08:20 AM

dragondawg

01-30-2007, 08:35 AM

Okay, so I started the pups on Raw food. I give them a mixture of a lot of things. Scruff started coughing yesterday and sneezing/coughing last night. He woke up and was coughing/sneezing pretty bad. Could it be the change of food? Is it normal? Or could he be allergic to something? Or is it just a cold? Any ideas fellow PTers?

Thanks-

Yes it could be a food allergy. Depending on what was fed the dog might have aspirated a particle of food up into the nose causing the sneezing. Or something in the raw mixture might have made the esophagus raw. Switch the dog back and avoid the problems.

Reachoutrescue

01-30-2007, 08:38 AM

Switch the dog back and avoid the problems.
Dog food has so much garbage in it and my vet recommended Raw. I am going to call him. Scruff's nose is a little warm...not wet and cold like normal. I just wanted some opinions from PTers. Thanks.

Vela

01-30-2007, 09:56 AM

LOL don't just switch him back. That's silly to say. Raw is perfectly fine for him. The key is to add one item at a time gradually, thereby being able to note anything that suddnely seems to cause a problem and thus removing that from the diet. It's not difficult and it could be completely unrelated. Start with one item, feed for a few days, it also helps get the system used to raw. Then you can add another. The dog will be perfectly fine while adding new items slowly to avoid upset tummies or allergy problems. It could also be purely coincidental. Don't ask the board, talk to your vet.

borzoimom

01-30-2007, 10:20 AM

Dog food has so much garbage in it and my vet recommended Raw. I am going to call him. Scruff's nose is a little warm...not wet and cold like normal. I just wanted some opinions from PTers. Thanks.
That sounds totally independant of this. This is the time of year kennel cough runs more rampant .. ( not sure why- I forgot.).. If the sneezing continues- run by the vet. Also if the dog was recently at the vet, the dog could have picked this up.
Aspiration is highly rare with any food- actually can occur more so with powder dust that is like at the bottom of a dog food bag- but even then- its a streatch.
Allergies are usually NOT nasal- they are skin- or itching- not nasal.. Lets see what happens..

Reachoutrescue

01-30-2007, 11:31 AM

Thank you guys. I feel better now. I am giving Scruff a Vitamin C tablet once a day (starting yesterday) and I will keep an eye on him. He has a vet apt on Friday. I will see how he is by then, and if he is not better, I will run it past the Dr. Thanks again..I feel better now.

borzoimom

01-30-2007, 01:03 PM

Take a look at the number of posts on health now for kennel cough. I heard it was because although cold- the dogs start interacting with other dogs is the reason for the increase with kennel cough this time of year.. Let us know what he says.

dragondawg

01-30-2007, 02:27 PM

Dog food has so much garbage in it .

Yep, mine enjoy eating that garbage everyday, day after day after day. Being after 3PM, and close to their feeding, they are already starting to pester me for more garbage.

LOL don't just switch him back. That's silly to say.

It's always very silly to go back to the ground state before problems occured. More variables, more unknowns, more fun.

This is the time of year kennel cough runs more rampant ...Aspiration is highly rare with any food

Probably any condition that allows crowding be it several in a pen or kennel will do the trick due to the contagious nature of the disease. But until one sees copious amounts of mucus coming out of the nose (usually of an unpleasant color), Kennel Cough is a secondary possibility. In each dog I've had with KC, it started out as a clear discharge and changed over to extremely mucoid and copious in amount within 12-24 hrs. Concurrently they usually get a little fever at the same time.

Indeed aspiration is rare, but after reading some of the threads in the past of what people feed their dogs, it can't be discounted. If a mixture of a lot of things means meat and veggies then a foreign object causing a reflex reaction is probably remote. But add in feathers, fur, or bones, and it remains a possibility.

Oh well, time to get out of yet another religious raw thread.

borzoimom

01-30-2007, 03:16 PM

lizbud

01-30-2007, 06:25 PM

Yep, mine enjoy eating that garbage everyday, day after day after day. Being after 3PM, and close to their feeding, they are already starting to pester me for more garbage.

Yeah, my two just LOVE garbage too. :D Don't let them get to you, it's
not worth it. To each his own, I guess. :D

Reachoutrescue

01-30-2007, 09:18 PM

Wow. I was not trying to start a debat. I was just to get some suggestions about my dog. I don't care what you guys feed your dogs, that was just my opinion. No need to make enimies here. Sorry if I angered anybody. :(

mr.chiwawa

01-30-2007, 10:05 PM

You angered noone dont worry. We are here to help one another and to AGREE TO DISAGREE. I feed mine dry food and just got these treats that he loves......but if raw works for you and your pups GREAT it doesnt work for all and thats fine.....Anyway on another note I would like some thoughts on these new treats I havent given any to Mister yet my moms friend sell the dog food line and gave me a box for me to try...well you knew what i meant. Again any thoughts are welcome.......

http://www.naturalpetmarket.com/productdetails2.cfm?Product_ID=WellTrtsFrt20&categoryid=177

Reachoutrescue

01-30-2007, 10:48 PM

You angered noone dont worry. We are here to help one another and to AGREE TO DISAGREE.

Anyway on another note I would like some thoughts on these new treats I havent given any to Mister yet my moms friend sell the dog food line and gave me a box for me to try...well you knew what i meant. Again any thoughts are welcome.......

Thanks... I just don't want anybody mad. I never gave my pups those treats, so I am not sure. They sound okay though. Hope he likes them.

borzoimom

01-31-2007, 06:45 AM

You angered noone dont worry. We are here to help one another and to AGREE TO DISAGREE. I feed mine dry food and just got these treats that he loves......but if raw works for you and your pups GREAT it doesnt work for all and thats fine.....Anyway on another note I would like some thoughts on these new treats I havent given any to Mister yet my moms friend sell the dog food line and gave me a box for me to try...well you knew what i meant. Again any thoughts are welcome.......

I agree she was asking a question- and raw is one of those things- either you totally agree- or confused by it, or flat out do not agree. I have found it helps my dogs- and wouldnt change. Did even for a month for health reasons of my own- and quite frankly- they are healthier and happier on raw..

dragondawg

01-31-2007, 01:35 PM

feathers??? fur??? lol.. You really do not understand raw I would guess. You do know that commercial diets can include- beaks, feathers, cancerious tumors, hide- etc and AFCO will call it protein. As stated- you can make 25 percent protein and 15 percent fat by soaking beef hide- with oil..
Given that option- no thank you- I feed raw- I KNOW what goes in the bowl- piece by piece-.. No puzzles I have to worry about..
..
Reachoutrescue- my vet also promotes raw diet as well.. And makes a joke " even if that means I only see you once a year for the heartworm test- at least they are healthy..

No fur? The laughs on you. Do a search for the frozen rabbit thread. ROTFLMAO!

Day after day I feed my dogs garbage consisting of necrotic tumors and bird beaks(?), and who knows how many dangerous unidentified chemicals per the Propet Large Puppy formula. But in spite of feeding my two dogs this toxic brew they have high energy, excellent coats, no allergies, no arthritis, no metabolic disorders, no diarrhea, no vomiting. Not only that but at feeding time the food doesn't stay in their dishes for long. How could it be that they would eagerly want to eat that crap day after day, and be perfectly healthy? Oh I forgot, in another thread I was told you can't tell by looking. :D

If only I would feed them raw pork, turkey, chicken back bones, and let's not forget about the frozen bunny in the freezer! Avoid consistency in the diet at all costs. Throw in a one day starvation period to help them purge or whatever the reason? Aaah now I have the solution. Next weekend no more scolding when we go to the pond for a swim. If they really want to go swim out and snack on the deer floating near the one pond edge, I'll encourage them to go for it! What could be a more natural feeding than that??? :D

borzoimom

01-31-2007, 01:58 PM

No fur? The laughs on you. Do a search for the frozen rabbit thread. ROTFLMAO!

Day after day I feed my dogs garbage consisting of necrotic tumors and bird beaks(?), and who knows how many dangerous unidentified chemicals per the Propet Large Puppy formula. But in spite of feeding my two dogs this toxic brew they have high energy, excellent coats, no allergies, no arthritis, no metabolic disorders, no diarrhea, no vomiting. Not only that but at feeding time the food doesn't stay in their dishes for long. How could it be that they would eagerly want to eat that crap day after day, and be perfectly healthy? Oh I forgot, in another thread I was told you can't tell by looking. :D

If only I would feed them raw pork, turkey, chicken back bones, and let's not forget about the frozen bunny in the freezer! Avoid consistency in the diet at all costs. Throw in a one day starvation period to help them purge or whatever the reason? Aaah now I have the solution. Next weekend no more scolding when we go to the pond for a swim. If they really want to go swim out and snack on the deer floating near the one pond edge, I'll encourage them to go for it! What could be a more natural feeding than that??? :D
Frozen bunny? And why would you let your dog eat carrion floating in stagnent water.. I am sorry- we will have to agree to disagree- because I fail to see the humor in that at all.
As far as what you feed- that is your choice, and I am glad they are doing well- but many others are not so lucky. I also would not feed my child something that wasnt good for them knowing the contents could have devestating results- so why would I do the same for my dog? Previous to raw- I had dogs that were the picture of health - loose them to cancer within a year of the onset. Its not worth it to me nor could my heart take it- or my mind I may have caused their death..
I am sorry- but I take the diet very seriously.. Its the main thing I can do daily to insure their health.

CathyBogart

01-31-2007, 02:04 PM

I believe that was my frozen bunny thread. A friend of mine's cats killed a rabbit in their house and I fed it to Jasper. Gee, he didn't get lepto, blockages, intestinal perforation, or anything but a good meal from it. Dragondawg likes to stir up trouble in any thread concerning the raw diet, or in fact diet in general.

My vet is very supportive of feeding a well-researched raw diet, and while he's not on it right now due mostly to time constraints, I do feed Jasper raw as often as I can. Even though he's on super premium foods the rest of the time, I do notice a difference. He's got more doggy odor on kibble, and he sheds more. His coat is soft and shiny and his energy and spirits are high regardless.

All the same, Jasper eagerly gobbles up processed food, junk that's been left on the ground, dead animals, and cat poop, so I don't think enthusiasm is a good gauge of food quality. :P

borzoimom

01-31-2007, 02:11 PM

ohhhhh well if the meat was fresh that was fine- and I seriously doubt you fed your baby the fur.. lol... I was totally confused-.. Thank you for telling me..And doggie odor- you are right.. I noticed that too in the month of December when I had to put them on kibble- and it was a good one too.. I also noticed "dog breath" something I never had before- and has since stopped.

CathyBogart

01-31-2007, 02:13 PM

I waited until the rabbit had been frozen for a bit and then actually, I gave him the entire rabbit...fur, nails, teeth, and all. I was concerned about it initially, but he pulled away the parts he didn't want to eat and ate the rest. The fur passed without incident. :)

borzoimom

01-31-2007, 02:16 PM

ROFL.. Well- I would not have done that- but it didnt seem to hurt him- .. lol..

DrKym

01-31-2007, 02:26 PM

Funny how this whole thing began as a question from a newbie to RAW.

I did PM Reachoutrescue, and told her it is highly unlikely that RAW has a thing to do with their coughing. However they may be coughing and sneezing due to their body adjusting to a better diet , while they are releasing toxins that may be irritatating to their system.

I have been feeding RAw since 1979.Long before it was fashionable, and certainly while most of the breeders and show ppl still thought I was nuts. If Eukanuba is hosting a Show then it must be great food! at least that was the mentality back then.

I fed RAW because I grew up on a farm and you couldnt pay my grandmother to buy dog food. Her collies lived off what we did.Fresh meats and veggies if they wanted them and straight meats if they didnt. I guess I never really thought about it back then, it was just a lifestyle for me, and for my ister and brother too, who btw all feed RAW.

And yes my guys do at times get fur or feathers, depends on whom went hunting.I have friends that bring perfectly clean carcass remains to me, and some that will still have a bit of hide or feather attached, I feed as is.

borzoimom

01-31-2007, 02:29 PM

I also know the diet she is feeding as far as a receipe.. lol..

lizbud

01-31-2007, 04:17 PM

Dragondawg likes to stir up trouble in any thread concerning the raw diet, or in fact diet in general.

Perhaps ,when you grow up ,you will be able to disagree with someone
without personal slams. It isn't kind or necessary.

borzoimom

01-31-2007, 04:51 PM

Perhaps ,when you grow up ,you will be able to disagree with someone
without personal slams. It isn't kind or necessary.
Man ... I was wondering- who would make a joke of feeding something you knew was not good for them- when that is all a dog eats, twice a day, day after day- 365 days a year.. I can see if others choose- but you should at least try, or believe you are doing the best at what you feed.. Everyone on this thread that knows me knows I feed raw- that is my belief.. It works for me- .. Thank you for your input Lizbud!

CathyBogart

01-31-2007, 05:55 PM

I see no need to be kind to someone who brought up a thread of mine specifically to ridicule it.

Reachoutrescue

01-31-2007, 08:02 PM

Oh my goodness!! What a mess this has become. I should have never posted this thread. One question leads to an insanely argument. WOW!! Well if anybody is interested in the matter at hand....Scruff is no longer coughing or sneezing, so IT WAS NOT THE DIET!! Thank you to everybody that helped me and not ridiculed me. I truely appreciate it and so do my pups.

bckrazy

01-31-2007, 08:13 PM

I'm so glad Scruff feels better! I just saw this thread. =) Please give him hugs for me.

I do very much doubt it was the Raw diet causing this, I've never had any coughing/vomiting issues at all, after feeding a huge variety of RMB's. His throat should not be scratched or raw from the bones, because all of his RMB's should be covered in a thick layering of muscle meat... as I'm sure you know.

I see no need to be kind to someone who brought up a thread of mine specifically to ridicule it.

True dat. >:[

I also see no reason to ridicule anyone who feeds whole prey... feathers, fur, and all. I have fed whole prey (whole rabbit, whole game hens, etc) with absolutely no issues. Actually, the feathers and fur provide an even safer meal than RMB's alone. It naturally "pads" the bones that are being digested, even moreso than muscle meat does.

CathyBogart

01-31-2007, 08:22 PM

Yay I'm glad to hear Scruff is feeling better!

This thread needs kittens now. I attached one.

Reachoutrescue

01-31-2007, 08:29 PM

That was cute!! (the kitten pic) Thanks for the kind words everybody!

borzoimom

01-31-2007, 09:08 PM

mr.chiwawa

02-01-2007, 04:41 AM

Yay For Scruff....DID You Ever Figure Out What It Was Then? Just Curious.....AND I Can Say That I Dont Understand The Raw Diet Thing But I Dont Need Too All I Wanted To Make Sure Was That Your Pups Are O.k. :d Enjoy Those Little Ones And Let The Rest Of The Posts That Didnt Ask How Your Little Ones Were Roll Off You Back Like Water On A Duck......
Chi Hugs-------------

borzoimom

02-01-2007, 10:55 AM

[QUOTE=Dr.Goodnow
I have been feeding RAw since 1979.Long before it was fashionable, and certainly while most of the breeders and show ppl still thought I was nuts. If Eukanuba is hosting a Show then it must be great food! at least that was the mentality back then.

I fed RAW because I grew up on a farm and you couldnt pay my grandmother to buy dog food. Her collies lived off what we did.Fresh meats and veggies if they wanted them and straight meats if they didnt. I guess I never really thought about it back then, it was just a lifestyle for me, and for my ister and brother too, who btw all feed RAW....[/QUOTE]
My grandfather had collies- he did the same as you know..
I wish I had known in 1979 about raw.. then 1983-1984 would not have happened. In 1984 is when I started- I didnt realize that until last night when I read this post- Then I looked it up in my dog photo albums- and that is the date my dog died in bloat. And I agree- in 1979 was my first time on my own in college- and my very first " my own dog".. And Eukenuba and Iams was the top of the line- so they said..
I met someone at a dog show a few years back, and we have since become fellow friends in the dog world. She said she remembers when Eukenuba was like a pulverized type of food- like Abady- and she faults going commercial- now as common you can buy it at a walmart. Whether that is all the facts- I am not sure- but the timing makes sense completely..