In desperate need of advice

[GreyhoundGirl]

Help...

I don't know what is wrong with Jenny. She has always had sensitive systems, and has always hurled (Vomited, pucked, spewed, your choice :p ) often. But recentally she's been crazy with it. Monday, nice start to a week, woke up at 5:00 because SOMEONE was hurling. Tuesday, our anniversairy started the day at 5:00 with the sound of SOMEBODY hurling.

I won't bother you with more gastly details, but this is really getting on my nerves. Cleaning up a mess now and then doesn't bother me, but every day is a bit much. My carpet is looking like a graveyard ! (Plus, I am going into dept from carpet cleaner :p )

Now for the questions: Is this because I changed her to Nutro? I heard that food was supposed to be good for hurl-prone dogs. :confused: Can I train her NOT to hurl? Am I feeding her at the wrong time? (she always runs BEFORE eating, in moring as well as evening, always runs first. Should she excersise AFTER eating instead? ) Should I feed her yogurt? It gives her gas, though. Will this go away after a while or continue untill I go insane? She is already in her second bag of food, so you'd think she'd be used to it now.

NOTE: She always hurls between 4:45 and 5:15. Coincidence?

Please help, if you think this is driving me crazy, I haven't even told you what is going through my moms head. That adds to the urgency that I train/ whatever it out of her. I really don't want to lose my Jenny from something like this. :(

If there is ANY way to train this behavior out of her, I would LOVE (LOVE !) to hear it.

P.S. No one get mad at me, I wasn't sure weather to put this in "dog behavior" or "dog health"

[borzoimom]

Nutro does contain high amounts of sodium selenite. Try the holistic of this food, or go to Bil Jac select. The reason is the quality of the ingredients. Bil Jac is human grade verses Nutro.. The holisitic of their food is better but still... Even Eagle Holisitic is better..

[GreyhoundGirl]

I've never heard of those brands :confused: I live in the "boonies" and I know the nearby towns don't sell those foods. :( Nutro is about the best quality around here. I was told Nutro was very good....

[borzoimom]

I live in the boonies too but bil jac is at petsmart.. And so is Eagle or Nutro holistic.

[GreyhoundGirl]

There is no Petsmart around here. :( :(

[bluebird]

Here's a suggestion. Let her stomach and system have a rest (withold all food) for 24 hours and see what happens. If she doesn't vomit during that 24 hours then the next day try 4 small feedings of a small amount of cottage cheese mixed with rice or boiled potato. If she doesn't vomit that up, try small feedings of the Nutro the third day. If she begins vomiting again once the nutro is reintroduced, change her food.

If she continues vomiting while fasting, it's time to consult with the vet.

This is a harmless, simple and inexpensive way to discover if her vomiting is connected to the current brand of dog food or could be from other causes.

[borzoimom]

errrrrrrrrrrrrrpetco or call your local feed store.. Where did you get your nutro from? They shoud carry the same..

[GreyhoundGirl]

Here's a suggestion. Let her stomach and system have a rest (withold all food) for 24 hours and see what happens. If she doesn't vomit during that 24 hours then the next day try 4 small feedings of a small amount of cottage cheese mixed with rice or boiled potato. If she doesn't vomit that up, try small feedings of the Nutro the third day. If she begins vomiting again once the nutro is reintroduced, change her food.

If she continues vomiting while fasting, it's time to consult with the vet.

This is a harmless, simple and inexpensive way to discover if her vomiting is connected to the current brand of dog food or could be from other causes.

:eek: You want me to starve me dog?!?! I don't think Jen would like that. I wouldn't get to sleep either, she'd keep me awake begging for food untill I oblige.

I get her Nutro at Wal-Mart. ;)

[Giselle]

It's not called starving. It's called fasting. When you're ill with the flu and you're throwing up everywhere, does your mother lay a steak in front of you and force you to eat it? No, she gives you hot soup because your body is too busy trying to repair its immune system. It doesn't have time to digest a steak.

In the same sense, you're giving Jenny's stomach a rest by feeding her bland rice and chicken/turkey/whathaveyou. That is, if you decide to feed at all. When my dogs are sick, I'll often forego a meal (or two meals).

I don't know why she's getting so sick, but I'm going to suggest it's because the food is not agreeing with her. In that case, I would switch to something higher up like Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul, Innova, Innova EVO, California Natural, Pinnacle, Fromm, Wysong, Wellness, Blue Buffalo, etc. You can find a store locator at any of these brand's website. Simply type the brand name into Google and you'll find a link.

Secondly, DO NOT run your dog after jogging!!!!!! Although the exact causes of bloat are unknown, there is very high speculation that running/jogging after eating and drinking is going to increase the risk of bloat. When you have a deep-chested breed like a Greyhound, you must be on the lookout of bloat. Dog with full tummy + gasping/panting for air = TROUBLE. If you must exercise her after feeding, do so after a period of rest. For example, I refuse to let Giselle play until at least an hour after feeding.

[borzoimom]

:eek: You want me to starve me dog?!?! I don't think Jen would like that. I wouldn't get to sleep either, she'd keep me awake begging for food untill I oblige.

I get her Nutro at Wal-Mart. ;)
The longest I have ever done a fast is a full 12 hours. I feed a light dinner early, then nothing.
But- the " hurls " can be gas in her stomach she is trying to rid also, and a empty stomach will make more..
The closest you can get her food is a walmart??? hmmm... Even if you had to go a few extra miles once a month for a good food would work... I like bil jac. ( I feed raw but not as puppies). Its 98 percent digestible, turns to instant mush instead of swelling like a kibble, and human grade. How far as you from a petsmart? Even a trip once a month would work..Or heck I will mail it to you... lol

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Nutro has added a low quality ingredient to their products, which is causing dogs to become sick. It is not a food that I'd ever recommend anymore, to anyone. It used to be a decent midway food, but now it's not much better than Iams. In my opinion, absolutely any food that you can find in Wal-Mart is awful. I won't even feed any food that is sold in PetsMart. I only buy my food at the smaller, pet speciality stores as they seem to be the only places that sell anything decent (in Canada anyway). If she's throwing up daily, as you say she is, switch her off of it. Canidae is pretty good, and not overly expensive either. It's what Winston has to eat, because he throws up on anything else and he's been great on this. California Natural, Innova, etc. are even better but I think you said before that you can't find them anywhere or something. Incase I have you mistaken with someone else though, you can find store locators on both of their sites (www.naturapet.com and www.Canidae.com). Good luck! I hope you'll be able to find something that agrees with her soon.

When my dogs are sick, I also fast them for a meal or two. It doesn't do them any harm at all..

[bluebird]

I'm not a fan of raw feeding, but that's not the issue here and I'm not about to get into another one of those pointless debates. ;)

In Jen's case though it might pay to give raw feeding some serious thought.
Since it's hard for you to buy any of the quality foods in your area, it might be easier to buy the ingredients for raw feeding. Another consideration is Jen's continuing problems with digestive upset. She sounds like she could be a prime candidate for bloat, and if that's the case, raw feeding could be a potential life saver!

With her history, it would be advisable to wait at least two hours after exercise before feeding her. Or to wait two hours after feeding before beginning any exercise.

[borzoimom]

Nutro has added a low quality ingredient to their products, which is causing dogs to become sick. It is not a food that I'd ever recommend anymore, to anyone. It used to be a decent midway food, but now it's not much better than Iams. In my opinion, absolutely any food that you can find in Wal-Mart is awful. I won't even feed any food that is sold in PetsMart. I only buy my food at the smaller, pet speciality stores as they seem to be the only places that sell anything decent (in Canada anyway). If she's throwing up daily, as you say she is, switch her off of it. Canidae is pretty good, and not overly expensive either. It's what Winston has to eat, because he throws up on anything else and he's been great on this. California Natural, Innova, etc. are even better but I think you said before that you can't find them anywhere or something. Incase I have you mistaken with someone else though, you can find store locators on both of their sites (www.naturapet.com and www.Canidae.com). Good luck! I hope you'll be able to find something that agrees with her soon.

When my dogs are sick, I also fast them for a meal or two. It doesn't do them any harm at all..
AMEN APPLAUSE APPLAUSE!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YA- YES YOU ARE RIGHT ON!

[borzoimom]

CANDIEA IS GREAT SO IS WOLF SOMETHING and Bil Jac.. Nutro has been sued several times for rancid food..

[borzoimom]

I'm not a fan of raw feeding, but that's not the issue here and I'm not about to get into another one of those pointless debates. ;)

In Jen's case though it might pay to give raw feeding some serious thought.
Since it's hard for you to buy any of the quality foods in your area, it might be easier to buy the ingredients for raw feeding. Another consideration is Jen's continuing problems with digestive upset. She sounds like she could be a prime candidate for bloat, and if that's the case, raw feeding could be a potential life saver!

With her history, it would be advisable to wait at least two hours after exercise before feeding her. Or to wait two hours after feeding before beginning any exercise.
If you want to feed raw, let me know, as I have been doing it for the last 19 years. But at least take her off of nutro. They have been such a mess for years as they use rendering plants to make their food which includes 4d meats- tumors, discarded rancid meat etc. It use to be good, but they took their money from the ingredients and went into advertising.
Try any of the ones suggested above. But DUMP the nutro... Authority is better than that one, and I bite my tongue as I say it.
I got involved with dog foods in the 80's in the ethoxquin problem and wish I didnt know what I do, but I do... Even pedigree is cleaner than nutro if that tells you anything.. ( off my soup box now.._

[Glacier]

What's her feeding schedule? What does she bring up when she pukes--just bile or undigested food too?

My Franklin is a puker, not because he's sensitive to anything in particular, but because he can't handle an empty stomach. If he goes too long with nothing, he pukes up bile. As little as a couple biscuits between meals(I only feed once a day), stops the problem.

[borzoimom]

What's her feeding schedule? What does she bring up when she pukes--just bile or undigested food too?

My Franklin is a puker, not because he's sensitive to anything in particular, but because he can't handle an empty stomach. If he goes too long with nothing, he pukes up bile. As little as a couple biscuits between meals(I only feed once a day), stops the problem.
Very good glacier- if its too long between feedings but I think the unprocessed food in what they are feeding is the culprit mixed with time.. Maybe a cookie before bedtime until you can get her new food???

[GreyhoundGirl]

She does get a bisquit at night, and a chew-ezz. I feed her at 6:30 AM and 6:00 PM. She hurls up... hurl, food that is...lumpy, like kibble that is really chunky liquid. (sounds SO lovely explaining this)

[GreyhoundGirl]

I had pedigree and purina and Iams and everyone told me to switch to Nutro, I just bought a bag-on monday- that is huge, it'll take her 3 months to get through it. :eek: But I don't go into town often, so I got the large bag. Hate that choice now... But she's stuck with that food for at least 3 months :( (longer if she starts fasting )

[Lady's Human]

If the pup isn't holding the food down, it isn't doing any good to feed her, shes not getting anything out of it.

You need to give her a break from the food to find out if it's what is causing her problems, and try feeding her something else. How would you like to be fed something that made you ill for months because its all that was in the 'fridge?

[bluebird]

"Nutro has added a low quality ingredient to their products, which is causing dogs to become sick."

Has this been proven? If so, what is the source of the proof?

[GreyhoundGirl]

If the pup isn't holding the food down, it isn't doing any good to feed her, shes not getting anything out of it.

You need to give her a break from the food to find out if it's what is causing her problems, and try feeding her something else. How would you like to be fed something that made you ill for months because its all that was in the 'fridge?


What else can I feed her? I won't be going into town again untill Tuesday.

[bluebird]

She does get a bisquit at night, and a chew-ezz. I feed her at 6:30 AM and 6:00 PM. She hurls up... hurl, food that is...lumpy, like kibble that is really chunky liquid. (sounds SO lovely explaining this)

Have you considered that the culprit might be the biscuit or the chew-eez? This is a possibiity since you say she vomits on all other foods too.

If you refuse to fast her and give her poor uspset stomach a rest, at least feed her the cottage cheese or chicken or hamburger and rice or potato mixture It won't hurt her to eat that for a couple of days and could provide immediate relief.

[Lady's Human]

Bland food for ill pups. Things like Rice with chicken broth, rice with chicken, etc.

[Jadapit]

CANDIEA IS GREAT SO IS WOLF SOMETHING and Bil Jac.. Nutro has been sued several times for rancid food..

I used to feed my dogs Nutro. I'm glad I dont anymore from what I keep reading about them. Are you talking about the Timberwolf dog food? My dogs get that for breakfast then raw at night. Timberwolf is a great food. It's pretty pricey but well worth the money. IMHO. I also live in a real small town there are NO decent dog foods sold here. I have to order the Timberwolf online.

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Bluebird, my family used to feed Nutro to our dogs (well, my parents did. I’ve never liked it.) And all of a sudden they started throwing up and getting really sick on it. The same thing was also happening to friend’s dogs who fed the same food, and was happening to other dogs on other forums and such. So, I (and many others) called Nutro and asked if they had changed something in their products. They basically said that because there is a great demand for the food, and that Wal-Mart will soon be carrying it that they added Soybean oil (and something else, but I can’t remember the name) to make it cheaper to process. They didn’t say it exactly like that, and tried to act all responsible and such, but that’s basically what they were trying to convey to me. I don’t know if there are any articles anywhere stating this change, but this is what I was told by the company themselves.

[Vela]

People are giving you advice to help your dog, what they are saying WILL help your dog, unless there is something physically wrong with her, that only a vet can help. The fasting and bland food is something you HAVE TO DO if you want this to stop and want to try to find out what the problem is. Stop asking for advice and making excuses if you won't do what they are telling you to do. Fast your dog for 24 hours, no biscuit, no chew ezz. The next start her in 2 to 34 very small feedings spaced thrughout hte day of either boiled chicken and rice or hamburger and rice. You can make a batch and use it for sevral days. Do the same the next day, an the next. Then try a small feeding or her normal food. Throughout this time do not give her biscuits or cheweez, whatever that is. If you want her to get better, and don't want your mom to get rid of her, DO IT. I am not berating you but you are talking about yoru dog bieng sick every day, your mom wanting to get rid of her, and you keep making excuses as to why you won't try these things peopel are telling you. If she throws up the Nutro, then no, she can't eat it for the next 3 months, you could jeopardize her health. You really really need to do this, you asked for help and there it is. I really don't want to see something happen to her or her to be rehomed because you wouldn't try, please try it. I hope she gets better.

[borzoimom]

I used to feed my dogs Nutro. I'm glad I dont anymore from what I keep reading about them. Are you talking about the Timberwolf dog food? My dogs get that for breakfast then raw at night. Timberwolf is a great food. It's pretty pricey but well worth the money. IMHO. I also live in a real small town there are NO decent dog foods sold here. I have to order the Timberwolf online.
Yes timberwolf thank you.. I forgot the name. I feed raw and keep bil jac as a back up because it turns to mush instantly in the gut and I have deep chested dogs..Timberwolf is a good one but I cant get it here.. And happy with raw for 19 years..

[bluebird]

Bluebird, my family used to feed Nutro to our dogs (well, my parents did. I’ve never liked it.) And all of a sudden they started throwing up and getting really sick on it. The same thing was also happening to friend’s dogs who fed the same food, and was happening to other dogs on other forums and such. So, I (and many others) called Nutro and asked if they had changed something in their products. They basically said that because there is a great demand for the food, and that Wal-Mart will soon be carrying it that they added Soybean oil (and something else, but I can’t remember the name) to make it cheaper to process. They didn’t say it exactly like that, and tried to act all responsible and such, but that’s basically what they were trying to convey to me. I don’t know if there are any articles anywhere stating this change, but this is what I was told by the company themselves.

Since there is no evidence to back these claims up, other than what has been discussed in pet discussions, it should probably be classified as another urban myth, unless it relates to the actual recall which has long since been resolved.

Especially so since Nutro produces many dog foods and there is no mention of which specific food caused the supposed problems. ALL Nutro products will not be available at Wal-Mart. Even if the claims of a change of one ingredient in the few that will be sold at wal-mart could be substansiated, ALL formulas produced by Nutro have not been changed and ALL Nutro products are not bad for pets.

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[GreyhoundGirl]

Have you considered that the culprit might be the biscuit or the chew-eez? This is a possibiity since you say she vomits on all other foods too.


No... I didn't think of that..... Hmmmm..... For tonight We will skip the bisquit and cheww ezz, we'll see how that goes, if not I'll *attempt the fasting.

Knowing Jenny, it won't work, but than at least you guys won't all be angry that I'm "Jepordizing" my dogs health by not trying. I'm telling you now... It won't work, she'd die before she'd skip a meal.

:)

I want you to know, I DO appreciate it.

P.S. What is that list of? (in post #29) Jen's food is on there.

[bluebird]

It's just a list of foods manufactured by Nutro. I posted it to make the point that when claims are made that Nutro is a horrible food; no one ever bothers to mention which of their many foods they're referring to. They just say Nutro in general which is misleading to say the least!

Maybe someone can help me out here. My search engines don't seem to be turning up even one source of factual information about a Nutro recall.

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Bluebird, I'm just going by what I was told by the company. I'm not sure what products of their's were affected, and I never said that Nutro was absolutely awful for your dogs. I do know that the Natural Choice Lamb & Rice, aswell as the Chicken, Rice, and Oatmeal ones were changed. Not sure of the others. Why feed it anyway though when there are much better options for around the same price or cheaper? The only reason I see is if there are absolutely no stores around someone who sold good food. Anyway, I'm sick of going on and on about foods all the time so that's all I'm going to say... everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Perhaps I should've worded my first post a bit better.

Anyway, back on topic. Jenny will be just fine if you fast her! Winston's favourite thing to do is eat and I've fasted him a few times before. He survived and didn't really seem to notice. Dogs do need to be fased sometimes...in fact, it's also good for humans to fast occasionally.

[Vela]

She probably wont LIKE fasting, but if you ignore her when she whines, she will give up. Mine don't like missing meals etiher, but if it means there is a chance your mother would get rid of her because she is throwing up, you really need to figure out why and if it means one day without food, she will be through it just fine.

[bluebird]

[QUOTE=GreyhoundGirl]No... I didn't think of that..... Hmmmm..... For tonight We will skip the bisquit and cheww ezz, we'll see how that goes, if not I'll *attempt the fasting.

Knowing Jenny, it won't work, but than at least you guys won't all be angry that I'm "Jepordizing" my dogs health by not trying. I'm telling you now... It won't work, she'd die before she'd skip a meal.

:)

I want you to know, I DO appreciate it.


Hmmmmmm! Who controls the dogfood bag, you or Jenny? Take an extra run with her to take her mind off the food. Trust me, it will hurt you more than it does Jenny for her to skip a meal! ;) It might do her a world of good and then who will be "mad" at you? You will, for not doing it sooner, that's who! :D

It will be great if you discover it was the chew-eeze instead of the food.

[bluebird]

Bluebird, I'm just going by what I was told by the company. I'm not sure what products of their's were affected, and I never said that Nutro was absolutely awful for your dogs. I do know that the Natural Choice Lamb & Rice, aswell as the Chicken, Rice, and Oatmeal ones were changed. Not sure of the others. Why feed it anyway though when there are much better options for around the same price or cheaper? The only reason I see is if there are absolutely no stores around someone who sold good food. Anyway, I'm sick of going on and on about foods all the time so that's all I'm going to say... everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Perhaps I should've worded my first post a bit better.

Anyway, back on topic. Jenny will be just fine if you fast her! Winston's favourite thing to do is eat and I've fasted him a few times before. He survived and didn't really seem to notice. Dogs do need to be fased sometimes...in fact, it's also good for humans to fast occasionally.

I'm just as tired of these pointless dog food debates as everyone else. My comments were not meant to be taken personally, but in general. Sorry if it came off as personal. :(

[Giselle]

You know... I'm really not surprised at your reaction, GreyhoundGirl. I'm not trying to be mean, but we've all given you valid advice and you blow it off. You don't even answer our questions. Have you even searched for any of the brands near you? Have you even searched on Google for any of the brands mentioned? Chances are, you'll ignore this post, too, so why even try?

Point is: FAST HER. She WILL NOT die unless she has an underlying medical illness in which you should have addressed already. So FAST HER.

And in case you completely missed my first post, go back and read it because it sounds like you're still in your first state of mind and I don't want your dog to die from GDV (bloat!).

To be brutally honest, GreyhoundGirl, I'm starting to smell something fishy again.

[Zippy]

Greyhoundgirl:maybe what you posted in genaral about your brother being mean to Jenny and peeing in her water dish has something to do with her health problems.If she drank any of that contaminated water she would be sick.Who knows what your brother feed her when you aren't there.If he is doing some of the things you said in general I wouldn't put it past him to feed her stuff that is bad for dogs.
P.S.the thread I am talking about is Petco is where the pets go???-vent in general

[GreyhoundGirl]

She didn't have supper last night... Or breakfast this morning. And I feel SO awful. Like a parent who sent her child to bed with out supper, than no breakfast and lunch the next day either. It makes me feel worse to know that eating is the highlight of her day.

She's had her supper now. Overnight she didn't hurl, but how could she, she had nothing to hurl. I'm starting to think fasting her wasn't a such good idea after all. Although I see now it worked, for that, I thank you all. (but that doesn't make me feel much better about it)

Tommarow I'll tell you if she hurls tommarow morning.

I was quite shocked though when she ran the usualy hour-and-a-half today. I didn't think she'd have it in her. She doesn't have much fat to keep her going.

Anyways, hope that answered all your questions. I'll keep you posted.

P.S. As I have mentioned, she doesn't drink the pee.

[Love That Collie]

She didn't have supper last night... Or breakfast this morning. And I feel SO awful. Like a parent who sent her child to bed with out supper, than no breakfast and lunch the next day either. It makes me feel worse to know that eating is the highlight of her day.

She's had her supper now. Overnight she didn't hurl, but how could she, she had nothing to hurl. I'm starting to think fasting her wasn't a such good idea after all. Although I see now it worked, for that, I thank you all. (but that doesn't make me feel much better about it)

Tommarow I'll tell you if she hurls tommarow morning.

I was quite shocked though when she ran the usualy hour-and-a-half today. I didn't think she'd have it in her. She doesn't have much fat to keep her going.

Anyways, hope that answered all your questions. I'll keep you posted.

P.S. As I have mentioned, she doesn't drink the pee.

Fasting isn't a bad thing when tummies are upset. When a puppy/dog has a surgery you cannot give them anything hours prior to the surgery. And just because she didn't have her supper last night doesn't mean she didn't have anything in her stomach. If you feed kibble it usually takes 12 hours or more for it to go through. And just because she threw up doesn't mean she threw up all of the contents of her stomach.

Don't feel bad about this you aren't abusing her.

[GreyhoundGirl]

Don't feel bad about this you aren't abusing her.

Funny, that's the opposite thing everyone else is saying....

[borzoimom]

Grayhound- I think its your food. I mean, some foods just dont work well with all dogs. I think you said you were feeding nutro. Try bil jac, or solid gold, or royal canin, uhhhhhh.. The bil jac turns to mush really quick. I wouldnt think it would make gas in the stomach. Just get a little bag. Just try it. If she hs a problem with Bil Jac, it could be because of a sensitivity to chicken. The next one you try, try turkey and rice, or lamb and rice..
Keep us posted. I am concerned about kibbles that swell in a deep chested dog. After all these years of having breeds with a deep chest, that is sort of a knee jerk reaction with me as I am sure you can understand.

[GreyhoundGirl]

She didn't hurl this morning. She hasn't since Thursday. :) I think I will change her food. I don't know what to do with the food I've bought her already, the bag is already open. My parents would never let me give it away... Hmmm. I'll have to think about what to do with the food.

[borzoimom]

She didn't hurl this morning. She hasn't since Thursday. :) I think I will change her food. I don't know what to do with the food I've bought her already, the bag is already open. My parents would never let me give it away... Hmmm. I'll have to think about what to do with the food.
You should be able to return it. Most have a money back guarrentee. Try bil jac first, or a turkey and rice or lamb and rice product. I listed several on the above post.

[Love That Collie]

Funny, that's the opposite thing everyone else is saying....

What??? I think you better read what I said again.
Fasting when tummies are upset is NOT a bad thing. (whew)
And fasting when this happens is NOT abusive. If that were
the case then most of the vets would be up on "charges" because
most of the time, depending on what's wrong, when throwing up occurs they
will tell you to withhold for 24 hrs. Maybe the vet is where your dog should be!

[bluebird]

She shouldn't be put back on the chew-eze, biscuits and dog food in the same day. If you do and she starts vomiting again you'll have to begin all over from scratch.

It would be wise to leave the biscuit and chew-eze out of the picture for a few more days and see what happens. If she's doing okay, after a few days try a biscuit. If she does okay on the food and the biscuit, you'll know it was the chew eze.

There's little doubt, the fasting hurt you much more than it did her! ;)

[borzoimom]

I agree bluebird. IF she changes everything at one, she wont be able to rule out which was the culprit if it works, or could cause stomach upset.. Just change one thing- like the food.

[dab_20]

It probably is the food. Some foods just don't agree with some dogs. I feed Molli and Sammy Nutro Ultra, and they do well on it. It just depends on the dog. Maybe try another food if she is still having problems? Or a vet appointment may be in order.

Don't feel bad about fasting her. I've fasted for a couple weeks when I got my tonsils (sp?) out and I didn't mind because I wasn't feeling well. 24 hours won't effect her at all.

Hope she feels better!

[crow_noir]

Even though i was on board for natural ingredients and raw foods i just couldn't get into the fasting thing. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. At age 13 though my Shepherd started loosing muscle mass. I was browing around online looking for soemthing for my own nutrition one day when i ran across a study done on humans to find out if fasting did anything for us. It doesn't. However it named numerous studies done on mammels, including dogs. There is plenty of evidence that certain chemical that repair the body are released ONLY when the animal is fasting. This doesn't kick in for many hours. ( A 36 hour fast would do more good than a 24 hour, but who of us could actually bring ourselves to do this to our poochies? ) (Of course this isn't reccommended for already malnourished dogs.) With in a month of me fasting King once a week he was showing vast improvement. In two months we were going on long walks again. I didn't believe in starvy day, but i sure am a beleiver after seeing the wonders that it can do.

Please see your vet first to make sure there aren't other underlying problems though.

I wanted to make a seperate post about this in Health, but since we were on the topic anyhow... .