Madonna and child [Archive]

Karen

10-20-2006, 12:38 PM

I am of mixed emotions, as I don't know how she is as a parent - as in, does she care for her children, or do a series of nannies do most of the day-to-day work, and how much of it is a publicity stunt. Still, I suppose it gets him to a better place than he was in ...

I am all in favor of adoption, heaven knows, every child deserves to be loved. I just don't have a lot of respect for Madonna.

RICHARD

10-20-2006, 01:03 PM

I just don't have a lot of respect for Madonna.

Me either.

She adopts the poor kid, then leaves the country, only to send for the kid later on.

What parent, who really loves children would want to adopt them, leave them and have them flown out to whereever they are later?

Shoot, I'd adopt 12 kids, if I had the money to have someone else raise them! :eek: :rolleyes:

mugsy

10-20-2006, 01:04 PM

I don't have a lot of respect for her either, but, from what I have read, she is a devoted parent. I do question what her children think of her image and what she has done in the past.

JenBKR

10-20-2006, 01:13 PM

Cataholic

10-20-2006, 01:31 PM

She adopts the poor kid, then leaves the country, only to send for the kid later on.

What parent, who really loves children would want to adopt them, leave them and have them flown out to whereever they are later?

Maybe there was some country's rule that the adoption had to be final before the child could leave? I do know some people that have adopted a child, only to have to return on a later date to retrieve the child.

Really. Someone would adopt a child for publicity? I read one time that Madonna is one of the greatest female business women there are/were. Why would she need a child to improve her image? Or, for publicity? I don't see how that would increase her sal-ability or marketability.

CathyBogart

10-20-2006, 02:20 PM

The same way I feel about anyone else adopting a child. They're doing a good thing and it's not my job to assess their parenting skills.

Edwina's Secretary

10-20-2006, 02:49 PM

The same way I feel about anyone else adopting a child. They're doing a good thing and it's not my job to assess their parenting skills.

Bravo, bravo!!!!

RICHARD

10-20-2006, 03:20 PM

Ai dios de mi alma!!!

I believe that the rules for that country make an adoptive parent wait one year before the child is allowed to leave the country..

That is to prevent people from trading in children (Selling/slavery).

She also gave some money for the area- for a hospital or school..

(She flat out bought the kid.....what poor African township would welcome a bunch of money for a child.....

Madonna is a cash cow, emphasis on the the COW.

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Madonna is trying to rehabilitate her image......HMMMMM, I wonder if the
new tour and the new controversy about the cross she has on stage has anything to do about it?

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Anytime I hear about any star adopting a poor kid from another country I cringe.

Why not do it without the fanfare and hang around for the kid...

"Oh, send a jet for my new son!"

lvpets2002

10-20-2006, 04:24 PM

:o I agree with Lut & am afraid its totally political..
As long as she wants it from her heart, okay!!! But I am afraid it is just another "Hollywood-gimmick".... :(

jackie

10-20-2006, 07:32 PM

Anytime I hear about any star adopting a poor kid from another country I cringe.

Why?

Argranade

10-20-2006, 07:39 PM

It does not matter what you want,

All I care about is this child shall have a good home with lots of food, why be mad or sad about I think thats stupid I mean if they actualy want to help out a child then I say ''GO AHEAD'' because im sure that child shall be very happy its not like there going to torture the kid.

When I get older I dont want to have a kid but rather adopt one in need of a loving home.

Glacier

10-20-2006, 07:56 PM

The only thing that bugs me about celebrity adoptions, and this one in particular, is they get to break the rules. The country Madonna adopted from requires an adopter be a resident for a year at least. There was an article in the Edmonton paper yesterday about a Canadian couple who has been living there for well over a year, caring for a child they want to adopt and they are not allowed to bring her home under the adoption laws of Muwali. Madonna shows up for a day and leaves with a child. As someone who wanted to adopt and can't, that annoys me to no end.

Pam

10-20-2006, 08:04 PM

To be honest I feel sorry for a lot of the children of celebrities. I think they grow up in a distorted world and often they wind up being very messed up adults. I think this little boy might have been better off staying with his dad. Money is not the answer to everything.

kitten645

10-20-2006, 09:31 PM

I wonder if Madonna was a man would be the same ruckus? What if Sting or Donald Trump adopted? I don't agree with alot of what she does but I think she takes undo crap from people who refer to sucessful women as bitches and sucessful men as entrepreneurs.

RICHARD

10-20-2006, 10:55 PM

To be honest I feel sorry for a lot of the children of celebrities.

Like a virgin...touched for the very first time? :eek: ;)

LOLOLOL,

Sweetie,

Where did you find that SEX book?

Mommy wrote it a long time ago....when she was younger and didn't practice Kabala!!!

Edwina's Secretary

10-21-2006, 11:22 AM

Wow!

I am not a Madonna fan and I don't know Madonna....from what I have read, she had great difficulty carrying her last child and wanted another.

Did she use the muscle of her fame and money...yup....not the first time I have ever seen THAT happen! (How do you think Sharon Stone just adopted her THIRD white baby boy?)

But the judgmental attitude regarding her parenting skills....wow, wow, wow....

Is this the judge not lest you be judged I've heard about?

I've seen horrid children produced from rich homes and poor homes, Christian homes and Moon Worshiper homes.....

She is giving a home to a disadvantaged child. She used the money she earned to help him and a bunch of other disadvantaged kids....

RICHARD

10-21-2006, 12:53 PM

I wonder if Madonna was a man would be the same ruckus?

Men adopt all the time.

We get the adoptees all kinds of stuff----

we buy them food , clothes, cars and trips...

We call them 'nieces'-you call them strippers. :confused:

moosmom

10-23-2006, 12:56 PM

I was watching the news this morning about the whole adoption thing. It seems that over there, it's common for children to be brought up by a more affluent family, one that has the means to provide for the child. The father of this child thought that is what was happening. He didn't realize he was signing away his parental rights to his son forever.

My cousin is the mother of two adopted children from Russia. She and her husband had to fly there and stay put for 8-10 weeks before a hearing could be arranged. After that, Jean stayed there with the children (in separate incidences) for 3 more weeks until the adoption became final. Then she flew home with them.

Adopting out of the country is a very tedious, LONG process. And while I'm not judging Madonna on her parenting skills, I AM questioning her motives behind such a "quick" adoption. In her case, as well as all the celebrity adoptions, I guess money does talk.

RICHARD

10-23-2006, 01:46 PM

Seems as if the father of the kid didn't understand that he was signing his son away.

It looks like the Big Time celebrity took advantage of the fact that the poor guy was illiterate and thought that it was a temporary thing.

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LOL, the "white chick" shows up in a Land Rover, a posse and a bunch of cameras....spreads around some filthy lucre and walks away with one of the children.

Kinda like the movies where space alien shows up, stuns the townsfolk then kidnaps one of them... :cool:

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Why not just leave the town some money and be done with it?

"hey look what I brought home from my vacation!"

Edwina's Secretary

10-23-2006, 02:24 PM

Seems as if the father of the kid didn't understand that he was signing his son away.

It looks like the Big Time celebrity took advantage of the fact that the poor guy was illiterate and thought that it was a temporary thing.

Or maybe the father was convinced by others that he could get more money out of the situation if he did this.

I gather RICHARD, that you would prefer that people who have earned lots and lots of money spend it entirely on themselves, not do anything to bring attention to what they see as situations needing attention and help, never express a political opinion or any other opinion.

Leave all that to those who got lots of money the old fashion way...inheriting it?

Edwina's Secretary

10-23-2006, 02:47 PM

My brother and his wife had two adoptions go south on them.....one the night before. In both cases the parent had a change of mind at the last minute....after having had expenses paid...etc.

It hurt...it hurt them alot.

They are not rich rock stars but I really can't imagine it hurts any less when you are.

RICHARD

10-23-2006, 03:00 PM

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I gather RICHARD, that you would prefer that people who have earned lots and lots of money spend it entirely on themselves, not do anything to bring attention to what they see as situations needing attention and help, never express a political opinion or any other opinion.

Leave all that to those who got lots of money the old fashion way...inheriting it?

Well, I'm gonna get screwed in the inheiritance department.

Me thinks that it's just a tad self serving to announce, publicize or generally let people know you are doing some good by donating money, kidnapping kids by turning your 'donations' into column inches.

I find it funny that Gates, Murdoch, the idiot that owns the basketball team in TX cannot or refuse to make a 'charitable' donation without putting it on
company letterhead.

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Let them keep their money......

If I had the money, I'd spend a year donating it and my time-
Without the video cameras and press releases working in a town for the people.

A lovely clinic, well for clean water, school for a town is far better than a 3 zillion dollar donation that is more than likely to be misused by some AH third world politician-
take gander at the child molesting, theiving scumbags we have here in America...

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For real philantrophy look up Dean Kamen, the guy that invented that people mover thing.....check out his work on the Stirling Engine..

He is putting his money where his mouth is......creating something that will help everyone-not a just a little town where the kids can be had for a few dollars and a jet plane ride.

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If you have an extra room, I am available for adoption.

For free! :p

moosmom

10-23-2006, 03:19 PM

Oh, and BTW, when my cousin and her husband adopted Misha and Christina, there was no media frenzy or cameras.

Edwina's Secretary

10-23-2006, 03:55 PM

So....because she is famous and rich....and followed everywhere....she should not use that for good....so people use their earned fame to set an example of giving to those less fortunate, to fixing things, to helping. Hoping (often correctly) that if people see celebrities do it, they will follow. (It was very big during WWII as a way to sell war bonds.) What a sin!

I said it and will say it again...I am not a Madonna fan nor did I EVER think I would be defending her. :D

But...here is a woman who wanted another child and, after a difficult time carrying her last child to term, it did not happen "the natural way..." so she wants to adopt. Her fame means that WHATEVER she does will be filmed and analyzed.

She spends HER OWN money to fund six home for children in a country most of us could not find on a map.

She falls in love with one child and offers him a home.

Due to...who knows what...misunderstanding...change of heart...not enough money paid....the adoption falls through.

Lovely to see such compassion....such giving of the benefit of the doubt...of being non-judgemental.

Karen

10-23-2006, 04:00 PM

My point was that I don't know how good of a parent she is, that should be most important, and I have no way of judging that. That doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with money or fame, but it should have a lot to do with adopting a child.

RICHARD

10-23-2006, 04:31 PM

Hoping (often correctly) that if people see celebrities do it, they will follow. (It was very big during WWII as a way to sell war bonds.) What a sin!

STOP IT! ;)
Being older than you I remember seeing the stories about them..

MANY (MOST) of those celebrities fought in the war..

Baseball team rosters were filled with 4Fs what played in the place of many stars that volunteered for service.

Not only baseball, football and movie stars gave aa few years to U.S. was effort

I get really tired of seeing Clooney, Penn, Ciccone (ma dunce na) and the rest of the 'stars' selling their twist on the rest of the world.

We went to Somalia and Bosnia to help people and got shot at.

What makes Darfur and any other 3rd world country different?

So ....

Let the public sector worry about those places.

We send USAid, the Peace Corp and any other relief workers in and they get kidnapped or killed.
We pay the ransom, the morons get richer, we send in troops and they get killed we get criticized and blamed for making a situation worse.
We leave and then we tick off another country and another generation.

Ask Ma DUH na how many security people she had as escoirts and scouting the way....

If we do it the right way we go in and get rid of the government and let the people rule themselves...

Oh, we already tried that...

P.S.

WHy are we worried about Darfur when we haven't cleaned up Louiisiana yet...

Oh, that's right, the stars determine the Cause du Jour... :confused:

Edwina's Secretary

10-23-2006, 04:39 PM

Last time I remember you whining about Louisiana it was that the government should NOT clean it up....not the government's responsibility (unlike Iraq....)

can you try for a little consistency (and logic) with your lack of compassion???

(And you are full of bs on the war bonds....1. I am older than you....and 2. many of those who sold war bonds did NOT serve in the military...it was their way of giving...like Ronnie making movies....)

If you are tired of celebrities trying to help...stop listening...

Pam

10-23-2006, 04:41 PM

P.S.

WHy are we worried about Darfur when we haven't cleaned up Louiisiana yet...

Oh, that's right, the stars determine the Cause du Jour... :confused:

You are so right Richard!

Pam

10-23-2006, 04:47 PM

Or maybe the father was convinced by others that he could get more money out of the situation if he did this.

Boy that is a low blow Sara! We dare not question Madonna's motives but of course this poor illiterate man is fair game. :mad: I just heard that Madonna will be on Oprah tomorrow. Oh Yippee. That will be one Oprah show I will be happy to miss. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Edwina's Secretary

10-23-2006, 05:03 PM

Boy that is a low blow Sara! We dare not question Madonna's motives but of course this poor illiterate man is fair game.

That was exactly my point Pam! I don't question the poor man's motives...but I also don't question the woman's motives.

I feel sorry for everyone involved. A poor man who lost his wife and cannot afford to raise his child, the child who must live in an orphanage and grow up very disadvantaged, and a woman who wants another child.

ps...top warbond celebrity sellers....Bing Crosby, Marlene Dietrich, Lucille Ball, James Cagney, Carole Lombard, Kate Smith.....none on active duty....

RICHARD

10-23-2006, 06:11 PM

WHy are we worried about Darfur when we haven't cleaned up Louiisiana yet...

Oh, that's right, the stars determine the Cause du Jour... :confused:

Hmmm, I said that WE hadn't cleaned up Louisiana yet.

Why do people pay for insurance? to get screwed in the event of a catastrophe?

The private sector held many fundraisers for the area and my biggest bug up my arse are the people who don't want to go back and rebuild...

Everyone knows about Kate Smith and God Bless America. I saw Bing in a sailor suit once. Lombard was too old, Deitrich was not a citizen...Cagney was a gangster.... :confused:

Yes I am full of mieda and not very compassionate when it comes to certain things in life. I cannot bleed the blood I don't have.

Not only that, how can I trust someone who makes their living in the make believe?

I have stopped listening to celebrities....but they keep showing up on the tube.

I think it's very nice that they do fly in to all these areas, flit around with a camera crew and come back to the United States to make more money to spend on mansions, cars and late night dinners at the Sunset Strip clubs-
get arrested for DUI, shoplifting and all kinds of stuff....

I laugh.

Edwina's Secretary

10-23-2006, 07:01 PM

I have stopped listening to celebrities....but they keep showing up on the tube.

Why don't you turn it off?

You are not making sense. You complain if celebrities give time and money to others and complain when they spend it on themselves....

As is being discussed in another thread here...it is the meanness that bothers me....

It is easy to feel compassion for someone who is poor and illiterate. It is more challenging to feel compassion for someone who is rich and makes music I don't like.

RICHARD

10-23-2006, 07:10 PM

Why don't you turn it off?

You are not making sense. You complain if celebrities give time and money to others and complain when they spend it on themselves....

As is being discussed in another thread here...it is the meanness that bothers me....

Mean?

Where?

My only problem is the press that they get for doing "good deeds"

Let me clarify...I don't care about the act...it's the coverage.
I care more about my "home town' than I care about the world.

I just thought about Ma duh na getting jobbed over that kid....

Heh, heh heh.......

If she don't get the kid will she pull out with the three million bucks she donated?

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I'll save people the trouble..

Yes, I am an uncaring bees turd! :eek:

Edwina's Secretary

10-23-2006, 07:24 PM

My only problem is the press that they get for doing "good deeds"

Let me clarify...I don't care about the act...it's the coverage.

So...it is a bad thing to publicize people doing good deeds? :eek: :eek:

Better to save the ink for people doing bad things??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What does "jobbed" mean?

RICHARD

10-24-2006, 12:03 PM

What does "jobbed" mean?

Jobbed means "to get fleeced, screwed.

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To the tune of Like a Virgin....

I went into the wilderness
Looking for a kid or two
Didn’t know about the cost
That's 3 million to you!

What a joy, found a boy!
What a find, but he’s left behind
‘Cause I’m bending the rules
His dad I’ll try to fool

Adopt an urchin Hey!
You don’t have to wait any time
Adopt an urchin
Buy him Nike, Levis and Calvin Klein

I couldn’t take him home that day!
So he went on a layaway
So, on this you can bet.
He came home on private jet!

Adopt an urchin. Hey!
Spoil him with a huge home!
Adopt an urchin
He’ll get a nanny, ‘puter, cell phone!