jumping on people

[chermes]

I have a 7 1/2 month old lab/stand. poodle mix that insists on getting in everybodies face when they come home. She goes to obedience twice a week but acts like a different dog there. At home she is a wild Indian. We have tried the correction collar on her when company comes but she doesn't care. She goes into a wild fit trying to get at the company and won't sit for a second. When I come home from work she is all over me. I have tried ignoring her, doesn't matter she keeps after me, holding her front legs up, thinks this is a nice game. Lightly stepping on her back toes doesn't work because she is all over the place and jumps and moves too fast. She will sometimes just touch your rearend with her feet and cantor off as if saying Hi as she passes through. I dread having company over because of her behavior. I know confining her will never teach her. Any thoughts on this will be helpful.

[DoggiesAreTheBest]

I know exactly what you are going through. Drake did the same thing. Drake would jump on everyone. He was only playing, but when a 75 lbs dog is all up in your face jumping on you, it is not really fun play!
We were old to push him away when he jumped. Tried and didn't work because Drake loves to play rough and he though we were playing with him. The next thing we tried that worked was when he jumped, we held his paws and just stood there for about 5 minutes (sometimes longer). So he was standing on his hind legs. We also were told to firmly hold his paws. Not to hurt him, but it would make him uncomfortable. He got tired just standing on his hind legs and them we let him go. It took about 5 or 6 times doing that and he hasn't jumped since!

[Hbrika]

I have a similar problem.

Our yellow lab is a big sweetheart but doesn't liek to be alone. She has been to obedience school and did very well but once in awhile she gets really rammy and jumpy.

These are a few things that have helped.

1) Dominance and Submission
Get your dog on their back and straddle them staring them in the eye. When they look away they are acknowledging you as the 'alpha'. Hold them in place a bit then get up slowly telling them to 'stay'. Free and praise.

At first this was a bit difficult because Gully likes it! Now however I tell her 'stay' when I dominate her and she is much calmer. I then stroke her ears while she is down and tell her that she is good.

2) Sometimes she just needs to run. Saying "want to go outside" and opening the back door teaches your dog "outside"=fun. Whether it is to put them out for a bit or to start a play session , both work.

3) Training. If I say "want to do soem training" she loves it. It means treats, attention and lots of praise. A few minutes a day will work but it tends to turn into a game. You will be impressed. Your dog will remember obedience school.

4) Chew toy. You probably have these. Find something they really really like to chew and leave a few around so they can rip at them when they need to horse around.

I hope this helps. I am still training my dog and she is still teaching me to be a puppy.

HB

[Pam]

Labradoodle you are not alone! My Bella is a 7 1/2 month old standard poodle whose main fault right now is jumping up on company. She does not do this to people living in our house but when newcomers come she gets soooo excited. :o This of course is very embarrassing and annoying. One of the things we were told to try was to bend the knee as she is advancing towards you. This does not allow for her to get close enough to really be able to bounce up. Like your dog, she is a different dog when the choker chain is on and obedience training is going on. It's like that little silver necklace is magic. I am sure that constant reinforcement will find us winning this battle but it certainly is frustrating at times! :( :eek:

[Dixieland Dancer]

To stop my dogs from jumping up, I knee them in the chest when they jump up. When I first teach this approach I call my dog to me on purpose and when they jump give them the knee. As they are being knee'd I tell them "NO JUMP". After they kind of catch on then you can show them the knee before they jump. You will notice they think twice about jumping.

As far as company.... have someone willing to work with you on this problem come over to the house. Explain to them before they get there how to knee the dog in the chest when they jump. As they are getting knee'd you and your training partner need to tell them "NO JUMP". As in any training please know that consistency is the key. Never let your dog jump on you, even if you are playing if you don't want them to do it when you or company comes home!

Best of Luck ;)

[carrie]

First off please, please don't roll your dog onto it's back and hold it there unless it is a small puppy that you are testing. This is not needed and in extreme cases very dangerous!
I would not advise calling a dog to me to knee it in the chest - the dog is not supposed to like this and you are thus training it that coming to you is unpleasant.

I have been talking a lot lately about the importance of eye contact and here it is paramount. Instruct ALL people coming into the house to stand still as soon as the dog approaches. Everyone then crosses their arms so that your right hand is on your left shoulder and your left hand is on your right shoulder and your arms are crossed over your chest. ALL people around the dog must do this. As you cross your arms look up at the ceiling, ALL of you, until the dog loses interest, which it will quicker than you think. Nobody talks or looks at the dog but as soon as the dog is calm you carry on greeting your visitors. If the dog starts to perform again you resume your strange positions. At the point YOU would like to introduce the dog you get the dog to sit and allow visitors to say hello. (Leaving a lead or short rope on the dog when you are in the house will help too) Do this EVERY time the dog starts to jump at you and let me know how it goes, please.
You will feel a total prat, but when you see some results, especially when people who know what the dog is usually like come to visit, it won't feel that silly anymore.

[3-greys-and-a-mutt]

The arm-crossing trick works wonders in our house, too. We just cross our arms and look away, and instead of jumping on us, the dog just looks at us like, 'what's going on?' Fabulous training technique in my book!

[Stenograsaurus]

Originally posted by carrie:
<STRONG>I would not advise calling a dog to me to knee it in the chest - the dog is not supposed to like this and you are thus training it that coming to you is unpleasant.</STRONG>

I thought the same thing too. That's like when a dog gets loose and they come to you after you have yelled for them and you smack them or punish them in some way.

[AngieS]

i had the same problem. what has worked for me with my almost 8 mo. old Boxer is when company comes over put him in a sit/stay before he can have any attention. at first i had to use a short leash because he wouldn't stay for very long before getting back up(he was too excited). but after he realized he wouldn't get any attetion until he was being good and not jumping he hasn't jumped on anyone else.
another thing to try is have treats by the door when guest come in to get a treat and make him sit then give the treat to him and pet him as long as he isn't jumping. :)
no matter what you try to stop this behavior be patient and persistant ;)

[MHMama]

This is one big advantage to having such a small dog. When Ricky jumps up at me, I tell him to get off my ankle.
Love to all ;) ;)

[delidog]

what a great combination of dogs...i would love to see a picture of your labradoodle!!!!! the deli dog :) :)

[Logan]

I think the idea of a short lead on the dog, plus obedience training is excellent. One of my "obedience obsessed" friends suggested as a quick fix to grab the dog by the front paws. Then they can't do anything and it isn't fun anymore. Thank goodness, I don't have this problem. Mine just wiggle around everyone's feet and put yellow hair all over their clothes! I'm working on that one.

[Dixieland Dancer]

I agree that kneeing the dog in the chest would cause the dog not to want to come to you. However, I assume that your relationship with your dog is already a loving and affectionate one. We are talking about correcting a behavior that is not wanted. Not establishing a relationship with your dog.

When the dog does not jump up it is praised and/or rewarded without exception every time it comes to you during this training period. By calling the dog to me it has the chance to realize that by not jumping it will get the reward faster. This method has worked successfully for me with several dogs and I have dogs who think they are velcro'd to me so I don't think it harmed their affection for me.

The theory of ignoring the dog until the desired behavior is exibited is also a good idea. It depends on what your comfortable with and the dog in question ;)

Happy training :D

[karen israel]

LOL! MHMAMA! "Get off my ankle"! What a hoot!
I swear, I always try to remember Carrie's advise by not reqarding bad behavior. As hard as it is, being the wimp I am, it works like a charm, cause Cody, the spoiled brat HATES to be ignored. He's even turned, "Humpfed" and laid down sulking! It's a riot! But as long as I win, it's ok. I've been knocked down too many times! I'm still learning!
By the way. I too, want to see a photo of Labapoodle!

[ August 22, 2001: Message edited by: karen israel ]

[Logan]

Originally posted by MHMama:
<STRONG>This is one big advantage to having such a small dog. When Ricky jumps up at me, I tell him to get off my ankle.
Love to all ;) ;)</STRONG>

Ha Ha Ha!!! I had just reread your post and was getting ready to comment when I saw that Karen Israel picked up on it too!! LOL!! :D :D

That is hilarious. Maybe you and Ricky ought to have a comedy act!!!! :D

[KYS]

Sometimes Rocky gets carried away and very excited when I first get home from work.
I use both techniques for him.
If he jumps up, my knee goes
up, I yell the words "OFF" than I than turn my side or back to him and ignore him
till he calms down.
Yesturday I was embarrased,
He jumped up on the obedience instructor looking for cookies. :rolleyes:

[carrie]

MH Mama - I frightened every animal in the house when I read your post I laughed so hard!

Dixieland Dancer - Putting a knee up to intercept a jump is a technique I have used in the past with success. The trick is to realise why the dog is doing this in the first place. The fact that your dog "sticks to you like velcro" in itself indicates a certain amount of insecurity on the dogs part and that it is unsure of what it's role is and what you expect from it.
Don't get me wrong - if you are encouraging this behaviour then no problem.
There are three problems that can occur with grabbing the dog's paws, although, again, it will be effective with some dogs.
Firstly many dogs will see this as an invitation to play. Secondly it is very difficult to persuade visitors, especially those who have already been intimidated by the dog's behaviour, to do it for any length of time, if at all. Thirdly some dogs will take great exception to this, especially from strangers, and will retaliate.

[ August 22, 2001: Message edited by: carrie ]

[MHMama]

I really didn't mean to make light of this problem. I have had dogs that jumped up on me and it can be a little stressful especially when you are all dressed for work and those two big muddy paws land on your blouse. I find that NO works wonders once your dog has learned what it means. :)

[lizbud]

MHMamma..You are tooo Funny!!!

Labradoodle...
I also had the jumping up problem with my
GSD/Husky boy when he was a still a pup.
(7 1/2 Mos.is still a pup) He started jumping up on me when i came home from work
and i pushed him down & used the knee trick
while turning to sideways, (all the while
telling him "DOWN') He stopped jumping on me
but continued to jump up on visitors..
Basic Obedience Training that you are doing is excellant.Every dog benefits from this
training.(Instructors teach the humans how to
teach their dogs) My children insisted on &
paid for a Obedience course when it became
clear how BIG Buddy would become.One thing i
did was drill Bud at home not just in class.
On leash at home (without distraction)we
paraded around the house while i reinforced
the training commands learned at school..
I'm sure i would have looked like a complete
nut case to anyone else,but it worked for me.

[Dixieland Dancer]

Carrie...
First let me start by saying I believe you are very knowledgeable in dog training and behavior modification. This is evident by the advice you post. Please realize that I was offering advice also. I do not have this problem and do not encourage this behavior in my dogs. Sticking to me like velcro was just a way of saying my dogs trust me and have bonded with me as their leader. They are very secure, well adjusted, trained, and affectionate dogs. My female is obedience trained and is shown in obedience dog shows. She is working on her UD title now and has her CDX, JH, WCX and NA titles. My pup is only 3 1/2 months old (the son of my female) and starts basic obedience next Friday. I believe a trained dog is a loved dog and a welcome addition to the community they live in. Everyone in our neighborhood knows my dogs by name and always want to pet them and play with them. I have been training dogs for the past 25 years and am still learning new methods and techniques all the time. It is nice to share ideas and training methods. That way hopefully everyone can get an idea that will work for them the best :)

[RachelJ]

That's the great thing about this board because sometimes what works with one dog does not work with another. A variety of techniques and opinions are helpful in finding the one that will work for you with your dog.

[Hbrika]

The paws thing didn't work. She just wanted to play and play and play.

The eye contact thing is working though (slowly) but its getting there.

Mine sticks to me like glue. I think she has separation anxiety due to being in the pound a month and returned from her last adoptive home.

Needless to say that won't happen with us. Gully is already more of a part of our little family then a few blood relatives ;&gt;

[chermes]

Thanks to all for the suggestions. My husband and I are trying the look at the ceiling with hands on shoulders method, though my husband has had to face a wall and do it for obvious reasons which then we start laughing. It is too soon to tell if it is working but I will let you know and maybe by then I can figure out how to get some pictures of a labradoodle in here. There is a site on the web for labradoodles, as they are bred as service dogs in Australia. Ours was a mistake breeding of a pedigree black standard poodle as the mom and a pedigree black lab as daddy. "Gabby", short for Gabriel, is all black with what they refer to as the open flat coat. Wavy, coarse hair, and yes, she sheds. Right now alot. She, at 7 1/2 months is 50 lbs and looks like a giant black terrier. She has a beard, Andy Rooney eyebrows, Panda eyes and a tail that is always curved upward. Long slender legs that look like she has on hairy knee socks. Thanks, again to all.

[carrie]

OOps, seem to have done it again! No offence was meant at all and I'm sorry if it was taken. You will either get used to me or learn to ignore to me, either way I really am not out to upset people.

[3-greys-and-a-mutt]

I was curious and so I did a little web-surfing to find me a pic of a labradoodle. the ones that I found were very cute; they look kind of like larger, shaggier poodles!
Here's a pic I found:
http://www.dogomania.com/breeds/pictures/4/Tayler_and_Angel_June_2000.JPG

[ownerof3dogs]

There is a another mix that is really cute the Goldenoodle(I think thats what it is called)Part Golden Retreiver and Standard poodle it is real cute.

[karen israel]

Poor Carrie, lost in American translation. We love you for you. I will vouch for you..sweet, caring, nuturing, HONEST, adorable with no nasty bone in your body!!
:D :D :D

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Oh Carrie, we know that, you have helped us tremendously, I have really learned to make Daisy look me in the eye and then I give her a command, then I'm surprised she actually comes to me. Don said, "wow, she is really doing better". She even comes and lays by me when I'm on the computer. We are working on Perry, I don't know if he knows his place in the pack yet, he seems undecided.
Jackie
You can give me all the advice you can muster up, I need it. I very much respect your words of wisdom. :)

[ August 24, 2001: Message edited by: Jackie ]

[carrie]

Awwwwww, you guys! (See I'm learning!)

I let my gaurd drop for a bit, I have tried very hard not to upset anyone but, when in mid flow, I realise I still am a bit abrupt and abrasive to people.

This is why I try to stick to dogs.

But, I have found a place that people try to understand me, enjoy having a laugh at my expense and make me see things in a different way with great love and HUGE amounts of laughing at myself!
It has given me a new perspective on the English language and the way you guys talk to each other is much more sympathetic in print than the way I was taught to write. Stiff upper lip and take it on the chin and all that! Sometimes I even get a bit emotional - in public!!!!!!!! LOL ( yeah - I still don't like it, but it is pretty useful sometimes!)

Just in case anyone takes this the wrong way I am having a ball here and love it when the language thing gets in the way.

In case that came out wrong I don't like offending people but think it's pretty funny when I mean one thing and you guys mean another.

In case that sounds odd.....well, you get the picture? LOL!

[TheAntiPam]

Carrie, you have an interesting point about language. When I read your replies about dog behavior, I think of your writing the way I would the writing of a medical professional about humans. Some of what they say doesn't sound "nice", in fact it can sound downright mean or unfeeling. But it is a style, not a reflection of the compassion or feelings of the writer.

I once saw my medical chart from a physical exam. The summary was "obese middle-aged female with multiple symptoms related to excess weight". Wow, that sure was a slap in the face... But I had to admit it was true. It was the distilled version of my physical state, not a judgement of ME!

I would have preferred something like "Curvaceous woman that loves good food" which says just about the same thing! ;)

So, Carrie, I hope you will continue giving us the benefit of your knowledge, and I, for one, will try not to expect sugar coating. Our pets may be our babies, but we should try to understand their needs and their makeup in a realistic light. Not always pretty, but very often helpful!

[ August 24, 2001: Message edited by: TheAntiPam ]

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Well now I can tell Don I'm not the only "Curvaceous Woman" on Pet Talk that loves good food. :D :D :D
Jackie

[carrie]

I am laughing so hard I have tears running down my face! (OMG don't take that the wrong way!)

I took my English Language exam two years early. After that the school had to do something with me when everyone else was in their English lesson. I got some very interesting teachers, physics, biology, chemistry, Latin, French, P.E and pottery teachers, to name a few, on a "free period" as my tutors through those two years. Basically everything I had learned seemed to be an excersise in what not to do when writing. I saw the merits of this, if you want to say something just say it and don't go around the proverbial bush was the general message. If you have told your story well enough then people don't to read HOW something was done or said, they will KNOW.
After two years of this it has never left me and I know I am guilty of being rather "medical" in my approach without taking into account the context or style.
The bare facts, don't dress it up.
I also find that when I try to dress it up I become confused and tend to ramble...oo, there I go again, starting to ramble...

Thank you for understanding. I am finding the more I try to explain my lack of tact and insensitivity the deeper I get myself!
(My doctor speaks to me like that so I have never been brave enough to actually read what has been written about me! Good for you!)

[lizbud]

Carrie...
YOU.. DO NOT LACK TACT OR SENSITIVITY on any issue I've ever read!!!!!
You are a Pro & we all know it.. I read/listen to your comments and immediately
KNOW what you are saying is a professional
comment , and completely truthful...
Please continue......

[K9karen]

OOO! AAAHH! We started a We Love Carrie thread all because of fabulous Drake and his family! Who knew????
Carrie, you a Saggatarius, plain and simple. It is called hooman "Foot IN Mouth Disease"! :D :D My best friend is so like you it's amazing- I already told you that. You are the great philosophers of life. Hey! I've spoken to you..I really know you! I'm Prez of the I Love Carrie Fan Club! Rachel is right..the reason we all ask questions is to get different perspectives, answers, ideas, experiences. I have learned so much, I'd better do it better next time or I wasted a helluva lot of time on this site for nothing! Your Yank Pal, K9

[Daisy's Mom]

I just have to chime in on the We-Love-Carrie chat :) Carrie, you are one of the most (if not the most) knowledgable people on this entire board! I know that when I post a problem or question, I always cross my fingers and think to myself, "Gee, I hope Carrie answers!" And I bet I am not the only one who does that :) Okay, so you don't candy-coat your posts. Big deal! We can all still see that there is a big heart behind those straight-forward words, and your sympathy to those in need seeps through. We know you care about us, Carrie, and we care about you too :)