View Full Version : Found a new "husband" for Visa
wolfsoul
05-11-2006, 08:36 PM
Well, we've decided not to breed Visa to Rogue -- instead, we're going to breed her to a tervuren!
This is the male we would like to breed her to...
http://www.belgians.com/savanna/Graphics_Savanna/ghost.jpg
Isn't he beautiful? They should have some nice pups. :)
.sarah
05-11-2006, 08:38 PM
Gorgeous!! :D
I've been wondering - how come you can breed different Belgians together? I thought they were seperate breeds entirely.
Chilli
05-11-2006, 08:40 PM
He is STUNNING! :eek: Their pups would be drop-dead gorgeous! :D
how come you can breed different Belgians together? I thought they were seperate breeds entirely.
I was wondering the same thing. :)
k9krazee
05-11-2006, 08:42 PM
He is sooo HANDSOME!! Wow...
And I was wondering the same thing as above :D
bckrazy
05-11-2006, 08:51 PM
Congrats!
Annnd, I'm not totally sure, but I thought breeding a Terv to a Groendael is like breeding a rough collie to a smooth collie? Just, puppies of different coat types/coloring are produced.
wolfsoul
05-11-2006, 08:59 PM
The Belgians are only different breeds in AKC -- in every other registry, they are varieties. :) So it all just depends on genetics as to what you will get. In this litter, we will get only groenendaels, but some of the puppies will carry tervuren. You can tell if they carry tervuren because they will have lighter areas on their bodies. I would love one of these, but I'm not going to pick a puppy based on what it will produce, but rather it's temperment. These pups should have nice temperments though -- this particular male is VERY nice. He has a great head too. Visa's body is absolutely perfect but her head could be better -- so hopefully this pairing will produce pups with nice heads. Being a terv, he's low-drive, so this is also good, because Visa has more drive in one toe than most dogs have in their whole body. Breeding two high drive dogs is dangerous lol. As it is we are going to have a couple of high drive pups in this litter that will be hard to place.
I'm considering breeding her to a malinois eventually too, but I'll probably end her breeding career with another groenendael and breed her son to a malinois intead. This will produce black malinois. Ashley (binka_nugget) wants one lol (she's already getting a pup from THIS litter! :p ).
I'm so happy Ashley is getting one of these puppies, I know she will be an awesome home. I'm so excited that we will have brother and sister. :D
Nice choice. He is beautiful and has a fabulous coat.
:)
animal_rescue
05-11-2006, 09:11 PM
Aww he is beautiful! I want a pup from Visa's son as well, count me in on that :D I'd enjoy herding with him/her very much!
.sarah
05-11-2006, 09:16 PM
Oh, that makes sense! Thanks for explaining it!
I didn't know that Ashley was getting a puppy! It'll be neat to watch two of them grow up! :D
Jessika
05-11-2006, 09:18 PM
So basically, different coat types but they can all come from the same litter?? Gotcha ;)
Anyway what a BEAUT!!!
wolfsoul
05-11-2006, 09:32 PM
Aww he is beautiful! I want a pup from Visa's son as well, count me in on that :D I'd enjoy herding with him/her very much!
That would be cool! :D When the day comes, let me know, I'd love for you to have one.
Yup, Ashley is getting one, and Visa's breeder is keeping one as well, so I'll have tons of pictures of that one too. :D Ashley and I usually only see eachother once a year, so it will be so cool to see the differences between our dogs from a distance and then be able to meet up and see close-up how different they are. I know this puppy is going to the best home ever, Ashley is into all kinds of dog sports -- I know she wants to do obedience, agility, and conformation, and I think she is interested in herding and schutzhund too. I hope we will get to compete together at some of the same shows and trials. If both dogs prevail over the rest, I will be so proud to have produced such wonderful dogs (even if her dog beats mine ;) :p).
cyber-sibes
05-11-2006, 10:23 PM
ooooooooooooooo, he's verrrrrrry handsome! Will be looking forward to those puppy pictures! ;)
bckrazy
05-11-2006, 11:31 PM
Wow, that sounds amazing!!! Especially black Malinois! OMG 0_0
I would die for a black Malinois, or even a fawn Malinois from you. I just hate to ship puppies. Maybe I'll have to take a trip to Canada in a few years? heh, seriously. You would have a performance home with me! ;)
Also, the sire is goooorgeous. I love his coloring, it's just amazing. He probably has the nicest color/head I've seen in a Terv!
wolfsoul
05-11-2006, 11:34 PM
LOL, and after taking over PT with my dogs, soon I will take over the world! I would love for you to have one of my pups too. :D
Here are a couple pics of black malinois...not showable, but they can produce groens, tervs, and mals in one litter when bred to a groen that carries terv.
http://www.drugdogs.net/images/Dogs%20Avail/11%20Blacky.jpg
http://www.drugdogs.net/images/Dogs%20Avail/16%20Lola.jpg
Tollers-n-Dobes
05-11-2006, 11:46 PM
He is absolutely gorgeous! One of the nicest looking Tervs I've seen in a while. I'd also *love* to have a pup out of Visa's son if you do breed him if the timing is right for me...you'd most definitely have a performance home from me too.
woah! he's very handsome! they will have some BEAUTIFUL pups! :D
wolfsoul
05-12-2006, 12:04 AM
He is absolutely gorgeous! One of the nicest looking Tervs I've seen in a while. I'd also *love* to have a pup out of Visa's son if you do breed him if the timing is right for me...you'd most definitely have a performance home from me too.
That'd be awesome! It would be great to have so many people on PT with Visa's or Visa's son's pups. :D
K9karen
05-12-2006, 01:27 AM
drop dead awesome.
at a street fair this past weekend, i stopped a woman and told her i loved her Trev and she was stunned but thrilled i knew the breed! thanks to PT i learned a lot. i felt kind of cocky afterwards,,john said he was going to have to sit on me.. :D :D :D before getting my logan, i did a dog match thingy on the internet and was told i was a Trev girl.... anyway.. your dogs are smashing! if you ever breed a lazy one, call me! my only performance is kisses and huggies! :p
shihtzulover850
05-12-2006, 10:20 AM
Wow beautiful puppies you will have :D
Husky_mom
05-12-2006, 12:43 PM
ok now you can shoot me............iŽve seen THE most gorgeous pair EVER!!!! i cant wait to see the outcome on that breeding...........but we already know it anyway
stunning parents = stunning puppies = PT going nuts
i wish i could have one of your pups too!! absolutely gorgeous, and my oh my black mals *faints* lovely
P.S. Ashley...........I knew youŽll fell for them, who could resist such beauties
wolfsoul
05-12-2006, 08:05 PM
Well, turns out the breeding may not work out after all. Ghosty is 11 years old and we don't want to do an AI, so I am going to look around and see if there is something else we might like. Lots of breeders in BC, unfortunatly most of them are no good but we'll meet the stud and talk to other breeds and look at the dog's lines. I'll reply again when I find something that might be promising. :)
wolfsoul
05-12-2006, 08:11 PM
I met this male last month, he was very nice. I don't think his head would be an improvement upon Visa's though.
http://members.shaw.ca/blackcomb-belgians/Images/dream%20litter/ryderside.jpg
GoldenLuv
05-12-2006, 09:49 PM
WOW that is a handsome dog
I am sure that those pups will be really beauitful
Suki Wingy
05-12-2006, 11:24 PM
Cool! He's gorgeous. :)
You have NO idea how funny that sounds to someone only used to AKC, one breed will carry the genes another :D :) lol
wolfsoul
05-14-2006, 01:00 AM
Ryder (pictured above) isn't for stud service due to health problems.
This is another male I like, and have enquired about, but Visa's breeder doesn't like his head. I don't like the head of the dog she picked out lol.
http://www.spiritusdogs.ca/shows/gunnernewch20051016sm.jpg
.sarah
05-14-2006, 01:06 AM
Hey, sorry about how you're getting drilled over at Chazhound. I thought a lot of those comments were really harsh! I think you're being really responsible about this, so don't listen to those ignorant people ;) :)
I really hope you can find a good dog though. It must be really hard to find a good stud dog since there are so many things to consider!
Tollers-n-Dobes
05-14-2006, 01:13 AM
I really hope you'll be able to find a nice dog that will compliment Visa well. It must be pretty hard, especially since you specifically want a grey. Good luck!
wolfsoul
05-14-2006, 01:17 AM
Hey, sorry about how you're getting drilled over at Chazhound. I thought a lot of those comments were really harsh! I think you're being really responsible about this, so don't listen to those ignorant people ;) :)
I really hope you can find a good dog though. It must be really hard to find a good stud dog since there are so many things to consider!
Thanks, I thought they were out of line since they don't know the situation...If it were up to me, I know of quite a few dogs I would breed Visa to, but the final decision is her breeder's, not mine. I felt like they were accusing me of being a BYB, and when I get breeding rights over Visa, I will have nothing but the best of the breed in mind, as I do now. Alot of the things I will do will differ from what her breeder would do, but I think they are good things. Bah to Chazhound lol. I'm all miffed at them. :p
CagneyDog
05-14-2006, 11:18 AM
Well after searching for awhile I found the thread on Chazhound. Honestly, no wonder you got flamed it sounded like you were a BYB asking for a dog over the internet :eek: I know that isn't the case but it was the way you worded it, it sounded very, very rushed and impulsive.
Anyways, good luck with the search. Keep us updated :)
Kfamr
05-14-2006, 11:32 AM
Don't worry about Chazhound.. they're a horrible forum. Hence the reason I haven't logged on in forever, except for today to see what's going on! :p
wolfsoul
05-14-2006, 11:32 AM
I just finished talking with Gunner(above)'s breeder, and unfortunatly their temperments just aren't a match. He is high drive, and so is Visa. Bad idea if you want dogs that are actually manageable lol. Visa's breeder is getting tired of looking, we may just end up breeding her to the male we were going to in the first place. I would rather have a dog that is an improvement on Visa's head, but he has an awesome temperment so I shouldn't complain. Either way, the pups will have better heads than Visa. Rogue is a very solid dog -- the friendliest, happiest Belgian around. Loves everyone. He's a very nice boy. Their website is down so I don't have any pictures of him. His name is Can/Am/Int CH Reverie's Rogue D'Allure CD CGC HIC.
wolfsoul
05-14-2006, 11:34 AM
Don't worry about Chazhound.. they're a horrible forum. Hence the reason I haven't logged on in forever, except for today to see what's going on! :p
I'd noticed you had left after that huge thing about that Orion guy or something. I figured you got tired of it too. By the way, I had a dream about you lastnight lol.
.sarah
05-14-2006, 11:39 AM
Don't worry about Chazhound.. they're a horrible forum. Hence the reason I haven't logged on in forever, except for today to see what's going on! :p
I've been a member there for like 5 days and I already hate it. Most of the people there suck. :o
wolfsoul
05-14-2006, 11:43 AM
I've been a member there for like 5 days and I already hate it. Most of the people there suck. :o
LOL it's true. They have all their stupid cliques there. I think the only reason I stayed there in the first place was because there are two members with Belgians.
Tollers-n-Dobes
05-14-2006, 03:06 PM
I've been a member there for like 5 days and I already hate it. Most of the people there suck. :o
I totally agree with that too, I got the same impression after I joined. the only reason I log in every now and again is because of the couple people that own Belgians. It isn't all horrible though, some people seem to be okay.
tessa_s212
05-14-2006, 04:24 PM
What a tiring search for you! Please do keep us updated with photos of the soon to be sire! :D
And as for the forum bashing, I love Chazhound. It is the wonderful people and trainers there that keep me there. And it is the horrible, ignorant people there that keep me entertained. :p
BC_MoM
05-14-2006, 08:25 PM
So.. *confused* Who are you breeding Visa to? Because I want a pup. ;)
bckrazy
05-14-2006, 09:31 PM
Good luck on your search! I know you'll find Mr. Right for Visa! =)
It's obvious that we all love Visa, and believe in you as an awesome breeder, or we wouldn't be scrambling to reserve your puppies! hehe. Seriously, there are judgemental people EVERYWHERE. In reality, you have done more research and you know more about this than all of those bashers combined, so just laugh and move on. ;)
Roxyluvsme13
05-14-2006, 09:32 PM
Visa puppies!!
I want one ;), but I don't NEED one, because by the time you breed her who knows how many animals I'll have :rolleyes:
wolfsoul
05-14-2006, 09:37 PM
Hehe, I will take over PT with Visa puppies. ;)
SummerRiot
05-15-2006, 11:09 PM
You should see if you could get a breeding from Riots daddy!!
Ch Bonheurs Rennasaince Man!
http://ravenmasque.com/leo/leofirstpoints_1.jpg
http://ravenmasque.com/leo/leo3sm.jpg
http://ravenmasque.com/leo/leo1sm.jpg
http://ravenmasque.com/leo/leo2sm.jpg
hes a stunning Terv.. I wish Riot looked more like his daddy!
Hes got a fabulous pedigree as well!!
PM me if your interested i'll give you the site and such.. I dont know if she does AI or not though.. you'd have to ask her.
zoomer
05-16-2006, 10:45 AM
Beautiful... the puppies will be gorgeous!
wolfsoul
05-16-2006, 07:38 PM
Oooh he is pretty! :) Ontario is too far for us though. :( We are driving, so we really don't want to drive too far. He is gorgeous though, I love his body.
SummerRiot
05-16-2006, 10:26 PM
Aww thats too bad, I think Leo woudl have made fabulous accents to Visa and vice versa.
Are you just wanting live cover?
You better share who her new bf is with me! lol I wanna see!
you wrote on chazehouds that you found a possable stud up here? who? curious as I know lots of sask. Belgiens lol Happy and Blairs breeder has them and used to breed them, they have had 3 Tervs, Spirt and Vici were greys and Keiry is a fawn. and they have/had several groens- Quest, Clipper, Breaker, and Solo, of all their belgens Solo is my faverate as far as looks go, but Clipper was great, she ran flyball till the day she died at 13 years old, she was so calm and sweet, very pretty.
this is Solo:
http://www.prairiepdqdogsports.ca/images/Solo.jpg
this is the late and beautiful Clipper
http://www.prairiepdqdogsports.ca/images/Clipper1.jpg
wolfsoul
05-16-2006, 11:22 PM
Are you just wanting live cover?
You better share who her new bf is with me! lol I wanna see!
Yep, I'm not sure why Marla doesn't want to go with an AI -- she says she doesn't like to do them for first breedings, but I do know that in general she doesn't like them at all. She doesn't believe in breeding a dog that can't breed "on it's own" so she likes to know that the dog CAN breed on it's own rather than AIing.
We're pretty sure that we're going to breed her to Rogue now, but the site is down so no pics for you to see. :( I'm still searching though, not just tervs but groens too, just incase I find something that would really match V well.
Cali, the male is Gunner from Spiritus Reg'd, and I love him so much that Marla said she'd do the breeding (even though she wanted to stay away from breeding two high drive dogs), but the breeder is already studding Gunner out several times this year and isn't comfortable doing another breeding.
wolfsoul
05-16-2006, 11:27 PM
Ashley found a pic of Rogue, here he is. I'm not a fan of his head but he has a wonderful temperment.
BC_MoM
05-16-2006, 11:29 PM
He's handsome! Looks like a fuzzy bear. :p
lol that kennel name sounded familer so I looked into it, Keiry is from dreamfeilds who sold her to Spiritus who rehomed her to Weskys, she was supposed to be a showdog but was not interested so she was given to Weskys to be a preformance dog.
SummerRiot
05-16-2006, 11:42 PM
OoOo a Gron! :)
I think V needs a Terv boyfriend! :)
I think he seems like a handsome boy.. something with his eyes are off though.. does he have deep set eyes, or is it just me? Handsome boy, very intelligent looking actually.. its like hes thinking in the pic :)
Tollers-n-Dobes
05-16-2006, 11:46 PM
I'm not a fan of Rogue's head either, but it's not absolutely awful and if he's got a temperament that will compliment Visa really well, I'm sure the pups will turn out great. It's too bad that Gunner is too high drive for Visa, he's a beautiful dog. I love the Spiritus Belgians..
I was going to ask this once before and then forgot, do you know how many more litters Visa will be having? I'd imagine not many and she's probably be retired by the time I'm ready for a Belgian, but I thought I'd ask as I'm not sure how old she is now.
wolfsoul
05-16-2006, 11:49 PM
Ooh! Look at this boy.
http://www.geocities.com/blackfyretervuren/CajunBOBJan2000.JPG
He sounds just PERFECT. He's a service dog, so he must have a great temperment, and that is what we are looking for! That is the most important thing, is to breed Visa to a dog with a stable and solid temperment. He's in Washington, so not far, and apparently he is quite an outstanding producer. OFA good, elbows and eyes clear, thyroid normal and free of vWD. Four titles, and he's in the top 20 AKC tervs. I can't believe I found a service dog, that would be the best kind of dog to match up with Visa, I'm emailing the breeder now to ask more about him.
SummerRiot
05-16-2006, 11:55 PM
AWW his pic didn't work!! :(
Try again! I can't wait to see! :)
wolfsoul
05-17-2006, 12:15 AM
I was going to ask this once before and then forgot, do you know how many more litters Visa will be having? I'd imagine not many and she's probably be retired by the time I'm ready for a Belgian, but I thought I'd ask as I'm not sure how old she is now.
I'm thinking just one or two more. She is three years now, so that gives you time. ;) I'm thinking I may breed her in 2-3 years. If I can make it in two years, I will breed her the year after as well, if I can make it three years, that will probably be her last litter. I'd like to go with Gunner that time, I think, unless this litter works out really well and I decide to do a repeat. I wouldn't mind a high drive litter though, so Gunner might be a good match.
Here, I attached the pic, hope it works! :)
SummerRiot
05-17-2006, 12:52 AM
OHH wow.. now HES a looker.. I think hes my fav out of the ones that you have posted..
His conformation is wonderful and his coat is nice, as well as colour! :)
BC_MoM
05-17-2006, 02:26 AM
Wow... now HE IS a good lookin' boy! Keep us posted!
wolfsoul
05-18-2006, 12:06 AM
Alright, looks like we may finally have things figured out!
Marla doesn't like that male, but is willing to do that breeding if this other one falls through --- she is friends with a breeder on the island who co-owns this (http://paisano.homestead.com/Tommy.html) boy. So it looks like this may be our match. :) She just has to talk to the breeder and see if the temperments will match up. If they don't, then the male I picked (above) might work out. I emailed the breeder and he sounds like a very nice dog, especially for Visa. Every breeding he's done has been to bring up type and bring down drive, which is what we'd like. I've decided that I will probably only breed her to lower drive dogs in the future as well. A low drive Belgian is still high drive for most breeds, and either way there will still be a couple of high drive pups in the litter for those that want one.
binka_nugget
05-18-2006, 12:16 AM
A low drive Belgian is still high drive for most breeds, and either way there will still be a couple of high drive pups in the litter for those that want one.
You better give me the craziest puppy on crack in the litter! LOL.
BC_MoM
05-18-2006, 11:28 AM
You better give me the craziest puppy on crack in the litter! LOL.
Mmm.. That leaves me with what I want.. a calmer Belgian, still with average drive. :D
wolfsoul
05-18-2006, 08:54 PM
Hehehe. :D
Marla remembers a breeding that took place between Tommy and a female that she really liked, so she's going to ask the breeder if there is a puppy from that litter that is at stud around here.
I just finished talking to Cajun's breeder though, and she told me that you can register a tervXgroen pup with CKC, but if one of the parents in AKC registered, you can't register it with AKC. :( So now I want to talk to Marla about reconsidering breeding her to a terv, atleast an AKC one. I want to compete with my pup in the states.
RobiLee
05-18-2006, 09:57 PM
Whenever you get it all figured out, Jordan and Visa finally has those pups be sure to fly one my way please!! :) :p .
Did I tell you that I met a Visa doggy at a Pet Expo that I went to not too long ago. She was so pretty and all I had to do was ask her if she was hungry and she tilted her head perfectly. It was adorable. She was there to do some agility. I have a picture. I'll have to try and find it for you.
luvofallhorses
05-18-2006, 10:13 PM
I totally agree with that too, I got the same impression after I joined. the only reason I log in every now and again is because of the couple people that own Belgians. It isn't all horrible though, some people seem to be okay.
some people seem to be on the immature side on that forum. :rolleyes:
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