Miles needs Pet talk Prayers Update on miles

[Corinna]

Due to an not so great neighbor upstairs One of Gina's kitties Miles her orangey boy has gotten him self hurt . His back leg appears to be broken . She needs prayers as it seems it is a bad break and will require surgury. She hasn't found a vet that will take payments (still looking) Those of you knowing Gina know she wouldn't ask for any thing but , I will does any one know of any pet grants or help orginazations that could help her.

[Craftlady]

If the neighbor is at fault, I'd suggest approaching that neighbor to help with vet bills.

[Corinna]

It was a guy who had lived there before.

[Lizzie]

Well, this organization came up in the general topics:

http://www.imom.org/

Surely they would help someone like Gina who is helping so many cats. Please keep us updated so we can rally round and send donations to a vet if needed. Gina must be extremely upset.

[moosmom]

Lizzie,

I was JUST going to suggest IMOM. Great idea!

[furrykidsmother]

I don't know of any organizations other than IMOM. However, there are lots and lots of (((((Hugs))))), prayers and good thoughts heading Mile's and Gina's way! Things have just got to get better. NY so far hasn't been very kind. Fingers crossed that luck will head their way!

[kuhio98]

I received a PM from Gina and she has been in contact with IMOM. It sounds like they are trying to help. The stumbling block right now is that IMOM requires a written estimate from the vet so that they can make sure what treatment they are being asked to help fund. But, to get the written estimate, Gina would need to pay for a vet visit and some tests. Money is so tight right now that she just can't see how she can come up with extra funds.

Now, I know she'd never ask for herself, but I'm sure we are all willing to help out a little. If you are up to giving up a latte or 2 and would like to send the money to Gina, please PM me. I will ask Gina if it's okay to give you her mailing address.

It sounds like Miles needs our help as quickly as possible. If his little bones are set soon, he has a very good chance of healing completely.

Thank you.
Lisa

[Lizzie]

This is too urgent for us to send money by mail. If Gina will let us know the name of her selected vet, I, and anyone else who wants to do so, will call that vet right away and give them a credit card number and amount. This should be done today. Miles should be in the care of a vet by tonight.

[kuhio98]

Lizzie ~ I have PM'd Gina asking for this information and telling her about your generous offer. What a great idea! I had no idea that the situation was so urgent. I hope that Gina will take you up on your offer. Lisa

[Lizzie]

I'm glad you think it's a good idea. I realized afterwards that I may well have sounded high-handed. It's just that I'm at work, coping with a number of deadlines and several crises, but really concerned for both the cat and Gina - so I keep popping in and out, making fast posts.

I've been helped by other people so many times, especially when I was younger, and those people always said the same thing "pass it on". So, when I can, I "pass it on".

[sandragonfly]

first of all, thank you corinna for starting this! I didn't know where or how else to start this and ask for good thoughts. with so many things going on around here - right now, a couple problems with IMOM (possible of being disqualified), stove repairguys are here and how miles is, to keep an eye closely on him (a hand on him for his breaths too because I can't hear) and am in heavy tears, I'll have to make this really short for now.

lizzie, thank you so much for thinking of that! because of kuhio able to send over a donation to me today, (a big thankyou hug) I made an appointment for miles tonight at 6PM. see, I now could at least pay a vet visit but I found to pay $200 extra (for deposit) of him staying overnight which is not on my hand right now - do you think you could help with that too?

tonight at 6PM only for consult and exam fee and hopefully some more pain killers if they're under my budget as of what I have on me right now, and would probably have to take miles back to home with me regardless if the surgery is required, most expensive operation. :( his back left femur would have fallen off completely if there were no skin connection. :( I'm just hoping for another miracle alterative treatment.

gotta go - sorry for typos if any seen, and thank you all for who would keep us in your thoughts & prayers! ((((hugs))))

[Corinna]

bless you guys for this we all know she would never ask for any help .See Gina I told you you had some great freinds.

[Lizzie]

Gina - I just sent you a pm for your vet name and number, but perhaps you want to post it here. Miles needs help and people want to help him. I'm relieved that he is going to the vet tonight.

[kuhio98]

Gina - I just sent you a pm for your vet name and number, but perhaps you want to post it here. Miles needs help and people want to help him. I'm relieved that he is going to the vet tonight.

Gina ~ Same here. (I've sent you a PM). If you'll give me the vet contact information, I'll phone them and give them my credit card info. That way you won't have to wait for the check to get there all the way from Alaska.

[Van10]

I will keep Miles and Gina in my prayers...

[sandragonfly]

kuhio, with lizzie and me, there should be enough for tonight. await of your check should be okay - but if ever need your help too tonight, I will contact you right away - I will have my pager with me and I can PM you from it. just stay online (if you can) around 6:30 - 7PM and keep an eye out? I just don't want to flood up the vet hospital yet. (anyone wants the vet name and number can be PMed by me) -

we now are going out to see vet for a confirmed diagnose and an estimate IMOM is waiting for. we'll be back with an update, hopefully better than what I thought!

bye for now.

[sandragonfly]

:( :( the bad news is 3x worse.

I'm here at the vet, waiting for miles to finish his xray with better views. he was moving too much because he's in very painful pain, and are going to sedate him a bit so he can relax better. . .poor my little guy. :( while the vet came back, (asked if he could sedate) told me he possibly would need either a plate or intramedollary pin. :( and that's $1,000 extra than I thought. the more cost is, the more how painful he is. :(

however, two best things have happened here, miles even purred and gave happy feet for so long!! http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/mystichild/pinkgrin.gif I've never saw him doing that on table. it took a while for the vet to listen his heartbeats, he was purring too loud, louder than usual! it broke my break but at the same time, joyful tears! :) second, oh my, a litttle miracle! after all I've been in hospitals/doctors myself, with their lousy service, them not providing an interpreter at all, so no effective communication, understanding, etc. well, miles's doctor called another doctor just in a second and I never knew she's deaf too! :D believe me, this appointment have went 4x faster than communicating (writing, writing and writing) on papers, asking questions and answers. it's soooo good to be able to 'speak' my language in for so long! - wow, did not realize my signing have been out of shape! funny, she said she didn't came here for work, only to bring in her dog for a bath, guess it was meant for me and my dear little boy! also, am already impressed with their service, attitudes so I think I'll stick with this one!

miles still is not back yet, I'm waiting still. I hate to wonder how's he doing in another room.. please continue the good thoughts that things will just go smoothly for him! :(

p.s. kuhio, our PMs - he'll need to have his surgery at specialist, not here.. sorry.

[catmandu]

Prayers Are Coming For Dear Miles From All Of Us At The Found Cat Hotel,and Pet Angels Are With Him Now,so That Hes Not Alone With Fear And Pain.

[AbbyMom]

Prayers on the way for Miles. Please keep us posted...

[rg_girlca]

Sending prayers and positive thoughts out to precious Miles and major ((((((HUGS)))))) for you Gina.

[Lizzie]

That must have been wonderful, being able to communicate with someone quickly when you were in a stressful situation. I was thinking about you being at the vet and wondering if they had someone who could sign - serendipidity when you least expected it!

I am sorry about Miles, though, but at least you are working with people who are knowledgeable and efficient. Is Miles having to stay at the vet's overnight? I hate it at the emergency vet's when they take one of my cats away into another area. My own vet knows me so well that I've often been allowed to hold one of my cats for treatment, something that makes both me and my cat feel better.

Keep us updated, everyone is concerned for you both.

[smokey the elder]

Many hugs for you and prayers for Miles. I think it was awesome that you were able to communicate with another deaf vet to help to find out the best way to fix Miles.

[Corinna]

Gina is having to take Miles to an emergancy clinic (pray for her shes so upset she keeps getting lost) It looks as if Miles will have to have an amputaion that or PTS and to Gina that is not an option. Her side kick isn't letting her get on so shes been updateing me and asked me to update you all.

[rg_girlca]

Poor, poor dear Gina. I can only imagine how devastating this must be for her. My heart goes out to her.

Prayers and positive thoughts still on the way.

[Lizzie]

Gina is really going through hell today. I called the vet before her appointment with them and gave them all my credit card information they requested, thinking that at least Gina would have less to worry about in that regard and I just heard in a pm from Gina that they have no record of my call. Now they are closed and Gina is driving around in a car that is threatening to break down, trying to find the specialty center and worried sick about Miles. Isn't there anyone on PetTalk who lives close to her?

[Cinder & Smoke]

I called the vet before her appointment with them and gave them all my credit card information they requested,

I just heard in a pm from Gina that they have no record of my call.
Now they are closed and Gina is driving around in a car that is threatening to break down, trying to find the specialty center

Isn't there anyone on PetTalk who lives close to her?

1) WHERE IS she - City & State???

2) WHERE is she trying to GO - WHAT Vets Office / Emergency Center - NAME, Address & Phone #

3) WHAT is wrong with Miles and what needs to be done for him?

4) HOW are you folks communicating with Gina -
and WHY can't we communicate in real time instead of having 2 hour delays?

Attempting to help - Phred

[Corinna]

Mles her cat needs to have an amputation due to broken leg. shes in New york I have her side kick addy I'm keeping in contact as i can it seems to be a delay in receving. Gina is deaf and has only the side kick touse now it is not allowing her to access Pet talk for some reason . but I can get through but if shes driving she can't answer. I don't know that vets # and don't knoew the surjury vet either but Lv4dogs ids colse I have emailed her as she also has the sidekick addy .
I think prayewrs are the best help right now .Thanks

[Catty1]

Gina lives in California...oh dear God - I wish she could flag down a cop to help her! She just moved there....OMG

[Corinna]

No she has moved to New york so really knows no one but I have sent email to Sue she knows her and trusts her . Hoping she gets a hold of her soon.
She wouldn't flag down any one as being deaf she has a terrible time communicating with them and it has almost always turned bad for her.

[Lizzie]

The vet she saw late this afternoon is:
Animal Hospital of Pittsford - (585) 271-7700.

I don't know the name of the emergency vet she is trying to reach. I live on the other side of the country, so all I can do is pm her that I'll help all I can. I have given her my home phone number in case the emergency vet asks for a credit card, they always do. She's pm'ing me back within an hour of my sending her a message which is better than the earlier delays. She's now talking about either amputation or euthanasia whereas before she seemed a bit more positive. That may be because the second round of x-rays were worse than the initial ones. She does need to feel that she has lots of support.

[Catty1]

Oh dear...I hope Miles doesn't have to be put down. Cats get along great on three legs...how old is he?

[Corinna]

I don't know how old he is with 13 I have a hard time keeping track of them . I do know he's an orangey.

[Cinder & Smoke]

11;05 PM Eastern Time - Wednesday night

Gina just walked into

After-hours Emergency Service:
Animal Emergency Service (http://www.animalemergencyservices.com/) located at the corner of White Spruce Boulevard and East Henrietta Road across from MCC. Their phone number is 585-424-1277.

Gina was able to read / write with Kim - the all-night office girl.
I've given Kim my CC Number and phone number ...

There are two Vets and three patients - but Kim said "it shouldn't be too long to see Miles and check him out."

She and or the Vet will call me ASAP after the exam.

/s/ Phred

[Lizzie]

Edited to say I'm very relieved that she has reached the emergency vet. Now that the vet has all the information they need from Phred, I can slip away and get on with looking after my lot who have been waiting too long for dinner.

[Catty1]

Corinna has PMd me and said she and Sue were trying to get a location on Gina. As Phred indicated, sounds like she made it.

I'll donate NP!

[Corinna]

Thank you Phred I have been trying to reach her. Bless you Please keep in touch you can Pm me too . Thanks again.

[Karen]

11;05 PM Eastern Time - Wednesday night

Gina just walked into

After-hours Emergency Service:
Animal Emergency Service (http://www.animalemergencyservices.com/) located at the corner of White Spruce Boulevard and East Henrietta Road across from MCC. Their phone number is 585-424-1277.

Gina was able to read / write with Kim - the all-night office girl.
I've given Kim my CC Number and phone number ...

There are two Vets and three patients - but Kim said "it shouldn't be too long to see Miles and check him out."

She and or the Vet will call me ASAP after the exam.

/s/ Phred

Thanks, Phred! Glad she was able to get there and communicate with someone, and that you or she will report back in. Whew!

[Cinder & Smoke]

Phred here - it's now 1:36 AM Eastern Time Thursday as I start to write this.

At 12:10 AM Kim from Animal Emergency Service Called -
Their Dr. Kim had "looked" at Miles and seen some of the "notes" dictated by
the Vet from Animal Hospital of Pittsford - the one Gina had Miles at this afternoon & evening.

The ER basically did nothing - they did not receive the X-rays taken by Pittsford -
no mention was made by anyone WHY the X-rays weren't sent with Miles.
NO X-rays - so Dr. Kim "can't give an estimate of what needs to be done."

WHY didn't Animal Emergency just Take an X-ray ... ??
$90.00 exam fee + $80.00 per X-ray - they thought it wasn't necessary - as X-rays had be taken by Pittsford (to bad no body knew WHERE they were!)

Cat was INJURED EARLY MONDAY Morning - it's now Wednesday evening ...
I can understand his questioning working on a 3-day old case at midnight.

Best info that Animal Emergency has is:
REAR Leg broken - femur (upper leg bone) broken near hip joint ...

1) High Priced Board Surgeon type repair with "pins & plate" or "External Fixture"
will run between $1,800.00 and $2,800.00 ... and require follow-ups. "Should" give cat good mobility.

2) Cheap Fix that Pittsfield could do - involves cutting off leg bone and allowing scar tissue to fill in - results in "poor mobility" ... Cost $1,000.00
this option NOT explained by Office Girl Kim very well - their Vet obviously thought this was the "inferior fix".

3) Amputate the broken leg is third option = $1,000.00

4) Option is PTS.

Cat is reported to be born 2002 = 3-4 years old.

Animal Emergency hooked her up with a "No Interest Credit " deal ...
http://www.carecredit.com/patients/whatis.htm
12 months to pay off $1500 bill - no idea where she gets the $125.00 per month for the payment ...
and the $1500 isn't enough to cover the low estimate of $1800.

I'd guess IMOM still hasn't received a "firm estimate" from a Vet ...
so IMOM probably hasn't committed to help.

Gina communicated with me via the California "MY IP Relay" - which is going to be very expensive after 7:00 AM in the morning.

Her communication was somewhat rambling ...
she'd taken the Cat (Miles) and left the Emergency Vet at midnight for a 15-20 minute ride home - at 1:18 AM she was telling me it would be another 30 minutes for her to get home.

Said she hadn't eaten in 3 days ... was going to stop to eat ...
then "someone" approached her car to see if she needed help ...
but the car "started OK"

She called again to say she was home at 1:45 AM.

I asked HOW Miles was going to get back to either Vet ...
never got an answer.

I never heard if she IS or Is NOT having "car trouble".
Both Vets are waiting to hear What To Do ... and neither Vet Has the CAT!

I would STRONGLY suggest that someone who Gina KNOWS sit down with her and
havea frank discussion ...
talking via the "MY IP Relay" leaves a lot to be desired.

My thoughts are that both these Vet Clinics are looking to make as much as than can on this poor cat -
and NO one is looking at what may be an "acceptable" repair of the broken leg.

It's now 2:55 AM Eastern time - I can do no more right now.

/s/ Phred

..

[catfamily]

I hope that Miles is being helped.It IS getting late like Phred has said.

[sandragonfly]

phred, I'm glad you could update everybody for me as I asked you to, thank you! everyone, I'm sorry if I had you some worried - I called my mobile this morning, they refreshened my mobile! (my net still is being grouchy!) going to update now, never got a chance to last night - phred's post are quite a bit mixed up.

when the vet came back with xrays, they gave me shivers, the left femur was completely broken - the crack top part was hanging over the joint - looks so painful! the doctor came back with three options, 1) plate/pin operation, 2) amputation and 3) PTS. when I heard the second & third one, it upsetted me very much - I know it's not the choices I would choose! with hearing PTS has to be one of it and the look on vet's face wasn't good, had me going over to emergency (named above - VRS) as quick as I could for options discussions after miles vet suggested me to go and see VRS to find an earliest available date/time for miles - I hate and breaks my heart to know more how much pain pain miles have been/was in. :( now he's on better medication and is much relaxer! now I too can relax a bit too. anyway, the xrays could have came with me but the pittsford vet changed his mind, wanted to keep them to show his boss for second opinion. they just sent the xrays over this morning - the surgeon or person who's responsible for miles' surgery wasn't there last night. he should be there today, this afternoon for ??more options and should give me an accurrate esitmate.

but then ... :( it was dark, me in tears, new to big big rochester city, drove and drove around, I found just one part the pittsford recepionist wrote a wrong exit number! I kept going in loop, knew I was somewhere close, that got me frustrated more. there also was so many missing signs, argh! at around 10PM, my car finally sputtered out...sigh. I flagged for help, a man stopped by, I asked quickly if he'd know where VRS is, he said yes, he took one of his animals there before! and took me, miles there - sorry, I didn't care about my car! I was three hours late than what they expected and just wanted to get there before the day starts new.

got there, the all-night girl rushed me into an exam room, I stopped her - told her miles was already examed, xrayed - I was a bit confused because the pittsford told me VRS is expecting me there (for finding an earliest available, find more options and to apply care credit for IMOM - one of their requirements - I'm disqualified because I wasn't denied) - :( while I was applying - VRS doctor (doctor kirk) came and sat down, miles was greeting him!! :) but we had to put him back in cage before he hurts himself again. again, gosh - he was PURRRRRING. :D :D so, doctor kirk only could tell me what he knows for surgeon - these same options and even better, an estimate - "I'm not a surgeon but I'm good at guessing an esitmate, approx $1,800 - $2800 and to play it safe, up to $3,000." - he could not know if either surgeon could do miles on thursday or friday (their typical days of doing surgery) and asked me to come back.

a bit after, miles got a lot of BIG doggy veggy treats, he looooves 'em, especially chewiing them! the sweet kim had me take some extras for home. just few minutes going around back the few blocks away corner (where my car was left to) to get a snack, got a surprise call from cinder & smoke. he addressed himself as a fred, I know a best fred (lady's human), just met another vet named fred, and they both had my number but not phred! I got all confused - he was insisting to know where I am, if my car was running - asking me over and over again if I or the car is fine - I didn't want to answer because didn't want to worry anybody. (the car was being uncooperative!) :rolleyes: well, relay is always impersonal to me though, you tell things to one through another person, eh. the call then was somewhat fishy to me, I asked him for his last name, ah morris! he couldn't let me go until I answer so I offered a solution, "I will call back when I get home!" someone was working on my car, jump started it, had more oils in. someone in new hampshire just had my car checked few days ago and said things were fine. oh well.

home at 1:30AM! a long, long exhausted day/night. took crayola out and settled miles in a huge comforty cage as vet's order in case he will have a surgery today. I'm going to call back just after this, and see if miles's surgeon is there by now and discuss more about what to do next since the xrays are there now.

there are a few people who could help me get ball start rolling in for special treatment at VRS (where he'll be having a surgery at).. I'm praying to do as soon as possible what we can. I want and still need more opinions what's best for my dear miles. :( (some of yours or experienced ones would be very much appreciated too). I'd stick with option number one! not that I wouldn't love him less if he's three legged, it would be so sad if he had to lose one.

since this is so long, (sorry!) I'm going to stop for now. I probably will come back with some pictures next of my little boy. right now, he's right next to me in bed after just gave him another pain killer injection. and best of all, purrrrring!! gosh, what a little big motorboat is he! my heart feels much much lighter now, a couple anchors off.

allright, again, thankyou and thank you very much for your caring hugs and thoughts! if I were in front of you, beware.. I'd squeeeeze you! sure need lots of them. (((((all)))))

[furrykidsmother]

OMG!!! What a night I missed. I was sick and went to bed early. So much happened. I am glad that Miles was seen and that surgery is an option for him. I know he wouldn't be loved any less if he only has 3 legs, but if his leg can be repaired that would be the best solution. I hope and pray for strength for both of you and I am glad that he has pain killers for now. Gina, I hope that you will hear something soon. Please update as soon as you can. Continued good thoughts, (((((Hugs))))) and prayers to both of you.

[catfamily]

OMG I can't beleive the nightmare you've been through.Especially being lost at night in a strange city...having to except a strangers ride to the vet.God is on your side.Prayers for Miles and especially you for all your going through.Please take care.I know everything will work out in the end.

[Lizzie]

Just to add a little something to this nightmarish drama, I found out when I called the original vet's office this morning that the receptionist who had taken my credit card details yesterday afternoon had put them in her pocket and left without telling anyone. She said it had been a "crazy busy day". Words pretty much failed me. I hope Miles can be fixed up without any more chaotic twists and turns.

[Catty1]

Gina - you go with what is best for Miles, even the plate and pin. Many people here will chip in a bit, and will get you covered!

Hey - Miles can be the Bionic Cat! And set off metal detectors at the airport!
(Just trying to give you a smile, hon.)

The Emerg Vet info is in this thread. So np. Hope you got something to eat!

hugs
Catty1

[kuhio98]

Gina ~ I'm so sorry for all that you and little Miles are going through. I have mailed you a donation for whatever treatment is decided upon.

I'm still not clear on whether IMOM has denied your application or if after reading their instructions, you decided not to apply because you believe you don't qualify. If they did deny you, what reason was given?

I'll PM you with my contact information. Unfortunately, I'm away at work (in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska) until March 19th. So, I won't be on as much but I can access my home e-mail. I'll send you that info.

Here's a list of other organizations that may be able to help. If anyone knows of others, please post them. Let's help Gina and Miles!
I got this list in an e-mail, so I can't verify the legitimacy of these places-and I know some are listed in the other sources page of the IMOM site, but figured I'd post for you.

Add www.omaspride.com as they help rescues.

American Animal Hospital Association
www.aahahelpingpets.org/home/
"The heartbreak happens all too often a pet owner is unable to afford treatment and their sick or injured companion animal pays the price. If the owner is elderly, disabled or on a fixed income, the cost of care may be too much of a stretch for their pocketbook. Perhaps they have been victimized by crime, property loss or a job layoff and are experiencing a temporary financial hardship ? making it too difficult to afford pet care. And some animals, brought to clinics by Good Samaritans, don't have an owner to pay for treatment. Whatever the situation, the fact remains the same: When sick or injured animals are unable to receive veterinary care, they suffer. Through the AAHA Helping Pets Fund, veterinary care is possible for sick or injured pets even if they have been abandoned or if their owner is experiencing financial hardship."
Maybe would help rescues?

Angels 4 Animals
www.Angels4Animals.org
"Angels4Animals, a non-profit organization and a program of Inner Voice Community Services, has a mission to serve as the guardian angel of animals whose caretakers find themselves in difficult financial situations. At Angels4Animals we believe that animal owners should not have to say goodbye to the animals that they love. Our work is accomplished in conjunction with veterinary clinics across
the country, eager to assist as many animals, and their owners, as possible. Our services range from financial aid to complete treatment to those pets and pet owners in need."

Help-A-Pet
www.help-a-pet.org/home.html
"Our efforts focus on serving the elderly, the disabled, and the
working poor. For lonely seniors, physically/mentally challenged
individuals and children of working parents, pets represent much more
than a diversion."

The Pet Fund
thepetfund.com/
"The Pet Fund is a registered 501(c)3 nonprofit association that provides financial assistance to owners of domestic animals who need urgent veterinary care. Often animals are put down or suffer needlessly because their owners cannot afford expensive surgery or emergency vet visits. Companion animal owners must often make the difficult decision to put an animal down or neglect urgent medical needs because of the costs involved. The purpose of the Pet Fund is to work towards a future where decisions about companion animal
medical care need never be made on the basis of cost."

United Animal Nations
www.uan.org/lifeline/index.html
"The mission of LifeLine is to help homeless or recently rescued
animals suffering from life-threatening conditions that require
specific and immediate emergency veterinary care. We strive to serve Good Samaritans and rescue groups who take in sick or injured animals. In certain cases, LifeLine can also assist senior citizens and low-income families pay for immediate emergency veterinary care."

[furrykidsmother]

Just heard from Gina. She has a 1:00 p.m. consultation today, she is there now waiting to see what options are available for Miles. She'll update as soon as she knows the choices they have. Fingers crossed that something can be done for him soon.

[Russian Blue]

I'd stick with option number one! not that I wouldn't love him less if he's three legged, it would be so sad if he had to lose one.


What a journey you have been on over the last 48 hours Gina! I hope you get the right diagnosis that you are comfortable with from the doctors.

From my experience, and from everything I have read regarding similar situations where cats are involved, please don't rule out amputation of the leg. Cats are very adaptable creatures and pull through just fine with an amputation. There may be less pain and surgeries with this option as well, instead of trying to keep the leg and having more pain and recovery in the future.

Sending many positive thoughts your way that Miles will be on the road to recovery soon.

[catnapper]

How'd I miss this????

First off, being that I have Flutter, I can tell you100% unequivocally (sp?) that 3 legs will not stop a cat. They get around just great and don't even know they have any problems.

Second - the surgery with plates and such. Angel went through that. She came through with flying colors but will always have problems with her leg for the rest of her life. She will most likely need additional surgeries and the vet said she will most likely get terrible arthritis in that leg. She will be in a lot of pain as she gets older thanks to the broken leg that needed surgery. I was determined to save her leg, but now that I see Flutter doing as well as she is, I realize how much happier Angel might be if she could live completely pain free. Her new parents report that she still does not walk on that leg, and she'll occasionally act sore on rainy/cold days.

I have to be honest and say I'd prefer amputation if I had to face it with any of my cats. Its one surgery, one healing and he'll never feel pain associated with that leg again. I would not want to impose a life of pain associated with that leg just because I feel he needs his leg. Truthfully, that a selfish wish on us humans. We want to see complete animals. When we all know animals adapt well to physical changes. I honestly forget she's even 3 legged.

Good luck in whatever choice you make and I'll be praying that he comes through with flying colors. ((((hugs))))

[Lizzie]

I was on this site:

http://kenpope.com/index.php

and read about a cat that can only use her front legs but plays happily with the other cats. She has a cart for her back end but refuses to use it, preferring to haul and slither. There are lovely pictures of her on the site. Actually the whole site is inspiring.

I've been very inclined to think that Gina should go for the extensive reparative surgery, simply because I don't like accepting compromises myself. But these new posts have made me think about what that can mean to Miles; I didn't realize that the surgery could mean more pain and distress. My vet's office has two dogs that are three-legged, and they romp around all the time. I hope Gina gets a really good consult with her vet so that she fully understands the results of both options.

[furrykidsmother]

Gina, could you update us please. I know everyone is wondering how things went. More ((((Hugs)))) to you and Miles!

[Lizzie]

I just wrote to Corinna, asking if she has heard anything but she hasn't. She said Gina was having problems with the internet, so that may be why we haven't heard - I certainly hope that's all it is.

[Corinna]

Update on Miles
gina just got in touch with me she apoligises for not returning the Pm's and messages both her computer and sidekick crashed . (figures huh)
She went for the consult but they had a big emerency happen and so as luck would have it the deaf vet was there. (cool huh she must be following her)Haha any way she got to "talk " with her and they decideed after laying out all the things seen on the xrays , that amputaion was the best option for Miles . (I did read her catnappers post and she felt even better ) So no consult but surgery to be monday the 6th. They gave her plenty of pain meds for him so resting as well as can be.
Gina assures me as soon as she can fix electronics she will answer you all. Wants me to thank all for prayers and support. If she can't up date she will have me do it.

[catfamily]

I was hoping for amputating.No more pain for Miles.Good Luck and More Prayers on the way for Miles on the 6th.

[kuhio98]

Thank you for the update. I have been worried all day and have not been able to check Pet Talk. (Can you believe, they expect me to work? Don't they know that Gina and Miles are more important?) :)

Gina ~ I sure wish I lived closer. I'm sorry for all the troubles you're having. Please let us know if we need to do some more fund raising. The PT'ers always come through!

[Catty1]

Oh good - less pain for Miles. And with the inspiring examples of Snoopy and Flutter - Snoopy having four legs, but three good ones - Miles has mentors!

Ready to help with some funds when needed. Will watch this thread.

hugs
Catty1

[QueenScoopalot]

Oh my Gina! I just read this post too, and wanted to add my two-cents. I have multiple handicapable cats, and my (hing leg) amputee Impy is the best off of all my three (and one 2) legged kitties. Miles will feel 100% better not having pins and plates in his leg, which do set him up for problems down the road as catnapper Kim mentioned. Animals adapt very well to amputation, and especially being a hind leg, Miles should be feeling purrfectly fine in a few weeks. ;) If you have any other concerns or questions about Miles recovery this is a terrific website to ask them on...http://www.handicappedpets.com/cgi-bin/msg/webbbs_config.pl
There are many persons in the same 'boat' as you dealing with accidents, and they also have a fund to help out as well as IMOM etc. ;) Sending purrayers that all will work out for Miles.

[rg_girlca]

I was sooooooo hoping that Catnapper would see this and respond and am I ever glad she did. Just reading about the difference between Flutter and Angel was very encouraging. I am so happy, but sad at the same time, that Miles will go through the amputation.

Gina, my heart goes out to you with all that you have gone through.

((((((HUGS)))))) to you dear girl and gentle kisses to Miles.

[catnapper]

I am so glad to hear that my post helped soothe your anxiety! Honestly, I sometimes want to cry when I see the difference between Flutter with the half leg and Flutter today. Cry with happiness knowing my little sweetheart is now completely happy. You might remember the guilt I felt by putting her through the amputation. I now know it was the best thing I could have ever done for her.

As for Angel, I know her new family will do anything and everything to keep her pain free... but that doesn't stop me from feeling guilty that I made the decision to do whatever necessary to keep her leg. I tell you honestly, if I knew then what I know now, I would have pushed to amputate Angel's bad leg.

Gosh, after Flutter's surgery, I hated seeing that sewed up wound and her shaved areas. It just made me feel so... so.... I don't know how to describe what it did for me emotionally. I felt guilt. I felt like I failed her. But now that she's all healed and the fur is all grown back..... I see her running and playing in ways she never did before the surgery, I feel nothing but happiness. I honestly do double takes when I see her without the 4th leg. She does everything my other guys do, except sitting on my lap. I finally figured out that she doesn't do that because it upsets her sense of balance. I can deal with that and accomodate her! :)

Good luck and please keep us updated - sorry to hear about your computer woes.

[Grace]

Very late getting in here. I'm so glad Miles will get the help he needs. Amputation is one of the options we considered with Grady last year. We did opt for intramedullary nailing for his horrific left femur fracture. It was done up at MSU Vet School. He is totally fine - just wanted everyone to know that hardware insertion doesn't have to be a bad thing.

[furrykidsmother]

I am sorry to hear that he will lose his leg, but perhaps as others have said it is probably the best choice. At least there will be no pain. Glad he has pain medicine to get him through the weekend. Poor baby!

Continued good thoughts and ((((Hugs))))

[K & L]

I'm so sorry I'm late in responding. I haven't been around much lately. I hope Miles comes through his surgery with flying colors! If there's anything needed please let us know. We'll help where we can. Good luck and I'll watch for the updates. I don't have any 2 cents to throw in since I've never experienced anything like this, but from what I'm reading it sounds like all will be well.

[rosethecopycat]

Late as well,

Is there an address that we can send a donation to?


All the best for Gina & Miles

[sandragonfly]

seems my net is working allright for now, still a bit slow - hopefully will get my post in when finished! golly, a lot links to look at, wish time didn't have to rush me away. thank you!

whew. yesterday was just another crazy day when I got to VSR (my apology, mispelling earlier - veterinary specialists of rochester) - the deaf vet was there, told me that unforunately it will have to be waited until next monday, the sixth. I gave a big sad sigh in tears! surgeon had another emergency operation came in. however, we discussed a bit - reassured me that my decision would too be best for miles as if it were hers and she could get me an estimate, fax over it to IMOM. (the good news, miles will be accepted for donations too once I make a decision!) :rolleyes:

thank you all furamputees for encouraging words, I love you all! - actually, amputation was my deep true choice but was feeling like I'm a bad mom for even thinking to take his leg away - the decision wouldn't have been harder if two vets didn't say intramedullary pin would be the best prognosis.. best option they say because where the crack is, it's a bit lower than where the amputacrack is 'suppose' to be - I understand and am in all heart to think what's best for miles but what hesitants me, a permenante pin/plate in him? I just felt it would be a forever nusiance to me for him - you would probably feel his pin sometimes, imagine him feeling clinking, laying on it uncomfortably, I thought he would just feel 100% free and comfortable without something else 'drilling & fix' him. and of course, much less chance of aftersurgries risk. I'm still not sure whetever to follow my heart or vets' heart? :confused: time is running out - poor miles with a broken leg for A WEEK, I wish he'd tell me what HE wants. I can't hear, see or feel his pain. :( :( that's so terrible but at 2PM again soon this afternoon, I'll be seeing both, miles' vet and deaf vet at pittsford (for extra buprenex - GOOD pain killer, you couldn't feel a thing!) and discuss more there.

I know I have a several PMs to respond and I only have one more before it gets full! never realized it has spiked up. :eek: after the mini-consultation, I (hopefully if net isn't grouchy today) will get back to you all! you too, rosethecopycat - I'm so sorry for delay everyone.

one thing I forgot to mention in last post - from phred's post - the second option, kim was talking about FHO (femoral head and neck ostectomy), it's very different from amputation, FHO is where you only take ball/neck out, put a formed ball/neck in between leg and pelvis - can be done at a regular vet hospital. amputation, you take all out.

jeez, I said "quick check in" but wanted to fill you all in entirely - too good for net! and as promised, pictures are coming up next then gotta get miles and I ready! all of posts came in are greatly appreciated.

(((((thank you)))) and pray that net will still be in a good mood when I get back!

[sandragonfly]

here's miles! first one, very very original picture of him, I use it everywhere - one of my favorites. second/third of him in roasted california and last of him as of right now - poor that little sweet face. :(
I wanna squeeze him.. but not after he already is broken!

catty, he became three (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=90552&highlight=miles) last october! also here's his fiiirst thread - my baby miles (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=19654), (who formerly named micro) when I first got him, the same week I registered pet talk! :D wow, at that time I only had two!

this morning miles had me scared - when I walked out, assumed miles would stay in bed, waiting for me to bring him food/waterbowl as usual - preparing food without realizing he was out, running around.. when I called everybody .. :eek: picked him up quick and calmed him, he was purring naughty. ;) now I can imagine him three-legged, he assured me that he had four legs without using the broken one! oh what my little brave boy! http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/mystichild/pinkgrin.gif

hugs again, we'll be back!

[catfamily]

Miles is the most gorgeous cat.What kind of guy or girl hurt him anyway?I would have him or her hunted down.By bigger people than me of course.It would be worth it.Gosh...unbelievable.Cowards.Only Cowards hurt animals.

[Lizzie]

Miles is beautiful, and very, very like my Macduff. I'm glad things are more settled for both of you and look forward to hearing that Miles came out of his surgery well. I just showed your photo of (almost) the entire ark on the sofa together to a friend at work and she was amazed.

[furrykidsmother]

Miles is such a beautiful boy! How could anyone hurt any animal. Happy to hear that IMOM has accepted you! Let us know when you have decided on a procedure.

Hope the Net is kind to you today, so you can update more.

I'll be checking back looking for an update!

[Corinna]

glad net is working to day . I still say you know Miles better than any one do what you think is best . I think he has told you buy coming out on 3.
Lovingly you secratary :D

[lv4dogs]

Gina, sent ya pm, hopefully you can read it soon. Anyways I'm here now if you need me, got a charger so my phone works.
You & miles are in my prayers
hugs to you all sweetie

[Donnaj4962]

OMG!!!!!!! :eek: I am just seeing this thread! I have been swamped at work and home and not been able to really look at all threads! Poor, poor miles and Gina. It sounds likae you have been through so much.

I am glad that you have been approved by IMOM, and that Miles will soon get to have his surgery. I know it will be a long couple of days for all of you in your ARK! But there is so much love and tenderness that you will all be fine.

I am reassured that the amputation will be best, although I have absolutely NO experience with that. I know that those on here have so much advice (all good!) :) to share.

I wish I could be there to help and give you a hug. I know I always need one when I have been through something as traumatic! Hang in there. Give Miles a kissie know that you are in the thoughts and prayers of me and my girls!

I will keep watching this post all weekend and hope to see more updates.

[sandragonfly]

okay, it was a pretty long discussion and we just got back.

I spoke with miles' vet (and deaf vet as well too) - they both still want monday surgeon's feedbacks. miles' vet is quite not positive that the pin would be the fix too. I also asked what would they do if miles were theirs - one says amputation and one is not sure and would may stick to specialist's opinion.

so... sigh, my decision's still more likely leaning to amputation but who knows I realize pin/plate would be best option. doubtfully?

at least I have extra metacom (advil the like) & buprenex (morphine) for miles until tuesday and got home to him relaxing, streeetched out only half of his front body (too funny to see) and most importantly, turned on his little rusty engine! :D aww..

lizzie, thank you for showing your friend - by the way, in that picture, that's my entire ark! :) or did you not think miles wasn't missing?

allright, going to read your PMs now, it's full - yikes - miles would need that inbox to zero!

first, I can not thank you all enough for being here with us and sharing hugs! I'll be sure to shower miles (gently) with all of your kisses & scrigges.

miles says, thank meowu too!

[Lizzie]

lizzie, thank you for showing your friend - by the way, in that picture, that's my entire ark! :) or did you not think miles wasn't missing?


I thought you had a dog also, or is he considered non-Ark? I'm still very new and getting everyone's animal companions sorted out.

You will probably find that after a few nights' sleep, the best decision on Miles will be bright and clear in your mind. I'm inclined to think that unless I've spent my last dime on a cat's treatment, I haven't done the right thing - but that's not always the case as many here are saying.

[Karen]

I thought you had a dog also, or is he considered non-Ark?

Crayola, the golden retreiver, is Gina's official Service Dog, so probably doesn't count as an Ark inhabitant, more as Gina's partner!

[rosethecopycat]

at least I have extra metacom (advil the like) & buprenex (morphine) for miles

Gina, be very careful with the Metacam, it has to be dosed very precisely.

My Malfi had his broken leg, and unfortunately, they were never able to 'set' it due to the infection on his skin. Just keep Miles comfortable and he'll be o.k. till he sees the Docs.

Singing our Meezer hearts out for Miles.

[sandragonfly]

of course crayola is part of my lovely ark! :) lizzie, now think am confused of which picture you used. . . did you used the first one or second. I know you said "on couch together" but in second one, crayola is in.

rosethecopycat, he is finished with it anyway. buprenex is stronger one, but it seems is affecting miles. :(

just had my new better update made here (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?p=1427984) and thanks again deerly everyone!