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  1. #31
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    The guy on telly is making a fortune because he presents the facts in a human digestable way, using methods that are based on canine language and keeping some of the physical aspects that humans relate to more easily.
    His body language is totally different from the owners he is giving "miracle cures"to.
    All the time he his talking to the owner he is giving very strong messages to the dog in question without even looking at it!

    Yes - I was brought up around horses.

    NO!!!!! You do not need to do anything to a horse other than walk your fingers over it's skin like a fly for it to feel you. - Take two minutes to watch a horse with a fly walking on it and you will see!
    To survive - to stay alive - a horse has to know what parasites are near it, on it and potentially taking advantage of it. In order to do this it has developed ultra sensitive skin, a long tail and a buddy system - ever seen horses standing nose to tail? They are keeping flies off each other.....because they irritate! Please, think about what you actually see rather than what you read or are told!
    To compenstae for this parasites have developed specialised saliva so that sensitive skin doesn't feel the bite.
    To compensate for this many animals have developed an allergy to the saliva.....and so the cycle goes on.

    No, I do not think I am the only one that knows about dogs - Darwin started the whole idea, so it's not new.

    Yes, you and the guy you described are using the exact same methods - he just has more reason, in his eyes, to use further force than you do.

    Chimps, I'm sure you would agree, should not be treated as human children and paraded as cute photographic models. Most people on the planet will see the opportunity to have their photo taken with a chimp and do it. You would not hit your hamster and expect it to know what you are upset about.
    All I am saying is that dogs are somewhere inbetween - they are not hamsters and should not be treated like they were. They are not chimps and should not be treated as though they were and they are not human.

    Using physical retribution, however slight, is giving your dog the signal that you are not coping as leader. -That is not only my opinion, it is canine opinion as well. Canine communication is probably the most studied and understood of all, bar primate, animal communication.

    I do not take offence at all at your remarks, you are totally entiltled to your opinion.
    My point is that with such obvious concern for your dog's welfare it is a shame you have decided to be led rather than find out for yourself.
    There is a whole world of opinion out there and shutting yourself down to just one is a waste of an intelligent and caring mind.
    As I said before - although having problems is stressful, it is also an opportunity.

    I'm really sorry you feel the way you do.

  2. #32
    Ok i red NOTHING about horses i ride them, and i know when you praise them you pat harder then a running your fingers over there skin. why? because it feels like flys to them and its irritable to them like u said.

    You are not getting one thing i'm saying, you have your points and reveuse to open your mind at all to others. And I hate it how your going on that i haven't tried anything else cause i said like 50000 times that i have tried eveyrthing else and this is all that works.

    No i wouldn't hit a hamster because they are not dogs. They are small and frigile and stupid. You have your mind set on your way and you will not look at anyone elses, and until you do that or see my dog and her behavior you shouldn't say there is only ONE way to train a dog and that is the way you speak of. I've never heard of anyone (well rarly) training their dogs that why. I swat on the rear is nothing serious and she barly feels it. Maybe it's a canadian thing? eh? Like i said, until you meet my dog, which i'd love to see you train her more efficiently then please do not talk of me doing wrong with my dog saying i don't try anything, which i try EVERYTHING and anything and pick out which is better for my little girl whom i love with ALL my heart and i garentee theres not ONE dog out there that could possible ask for more love.

    She doesn't exactly "Wake" me up in the morning, but after i wake up she's up and wants her food, should i not give her food to show her that i'm the boss? I'm sorry but its not fair to her, she has a set time for feeding and she knows she only gets it cause i give it to her.



    My babies: Josie, Zeke, Kiba, Shadow (AKA Butter)

  3. #33
    Another thing, Darwin stated the theory of natural selection NOT how to train your dog!



    My babies: Josie, Zeke, Kiba, Shadow (AKA Butter)

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    Sleipnir,
    Since you said yourself that your way is
    the best & only way to go about correcting
    this problem,and you won't listen to anyone
    else's ideas about it, why don't you just
    close this thread yourself & not be bothered
    by the other ideas on "how to fix this",
    that you asked for in your first post ?
    If you don't want other ideas,don't ask.

    This topic is becoming very tiresome...
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    Eleanor Roosevelt

  5. #35
    ookkk again no one is listening to me. I posted for some NEW ideas and i didn't get any i haven't tried. I did close this topic but carrie is going on and not listening to what i'm saying! so i'm not gonna sit here and let ppl thing i'm mean or whatever. If your tired of this then please don't read it. I'm talking to carrie and not you so don't be like i'm being rude to you or something.

    You ppl aren't reading what i'm saying! You just DONT understand and i guess i,m not putting words so u can understand what i mean! So plz! just reeaad! You making me out for a BAD person, and i'm not! just annoyed that no one wil listen to me! thats NOTHING new so i'm sorry i even posted anything on this bored! I'll try to keep my ?'s to myself to make you ppl happy. i wouldn't wanna piss anyone off..its just to me carrie is talking about the same thing and not listening, she goes on like she knows anything and everything, i may seem stupid but i know a lot about things ppl dont seem to think i don't. Until you try different ways stop going on like its the only way to do it! i'm done i'm tired of the world being against me! almost no one listens to me with this sort of thing so i might as well not post. URG it just..nm..sorry for whatever i'm done posting



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    hmmm... maybe this carrie person has some problems... It seems like she just knows EVERYTHING. my goodness. -sigh- but what do u expect?

  7. #37
    Listen, I'm sorry for whatever I did, it seems no matter what i do it can't end in desencey. Everyone elses up mad. So it's something I do. So I won't post questions if it means that ppl wont get upset. I'm upset myself now myself..but i can't leave things unsaid. But just review what you ppl wrote and what i did. maybe you'll pick up what i'm talking about that NO ONE else seems to see..maybe i'm just going seanial..



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    Sleipnir,
    Goodnight, have a good night's rest.O.K ?
    It's true, I do not understand what you
    need. I feel nothing I can say will help
    you in any way.I wish you nothing but Good
    things and Best of luck in life's journey..
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    Today is the oldest you've ever been, and the youngest you'll ever be again.

    Eleanor Roosevelt

  9. #39
    urg..i don't know why i bother with anyone. I should be locked in a room with no human contact.

    Does ANYONE see my pt of view!? geez i'm might as well talk to a wall cause no one will listen at all!!

    I said i didn't mean it offensivly and didn't say anything to you liz, so i duno why your all touchy! goodnight, whatever doesn't matter



    My babies: Josie, Zeke, Kiba, Shadow (AKA Butter)

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    Deep breaths everyone!!! Audrey, please take what Carrie says as a very sincere effort to try and explain why your approach may not be the best way to handle the problem. We can all read how distressed you are YOURSELF over perhaps not taking the right approach to disciplining Josie. I DO know how much you love her. I don't believe anyone means to imply otherwise. I know that Carrie does not need ME to stick up for her. But, and this is for all the other newer members as well, Carrie indeed IS a very wise, intelligent, educated and most of all, CARING person, as well as someone who has, since the beginning of Pet Talk, shared her wisdom her vast knowledge and her concern for us all, (especially the younger ones like you, Audrey) and all things animal! And Jiz, (welcome, by the way!) Carrie, having an impressive background in animal behavior and education, truly does know a lot about animals. And she would be the first to admit that neither she, nor anyone, knows it all! And to everyone else new here. We are a very friendly group of people, here to share out love, passion and knowledge of animals. And MOST especially, to extend our support to each other. It is so distressing to hear people casting dispursions upon one another. Audrey, please, please, please try not to interpert well meaning advice as a personal criticism. We all want to help you out with this, OK? You are such a dear girl, and I really want you, and Josie, to stick around! And Jiz, your 4 legged family is gorgeous!

    [ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: tatsxxx11 ]

    [ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: tatsxxx11 ]

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  11. #41
    ok lol this is silly now! lol..Noone sticks up for me, noot the pt, if i was better at expressing myself i could explain it but i obviously can't. I e-mailed carrie and i hope she understands me a little more.

    I know carrie is a wise person and knows a hell of a lot about animals, more them me i agree. It my age factor setting in again, just because i am younger then most people here, my advise means nothing and i have no clue what i'm talking about. Thats the ONLY thing that bothers me. My mom is the same way actually, she'll ask my bro for help with the puter before me even though i might know whats going on, he's older.

    For being a stupid young person, I know a lot about animals, i've grown up around animals and have always have a passion to work with them. I took my dog to training, i got advise from everywhere, i took horseback riding as am pretty good at it. I helped out around the barn learning about them. And i worked at a vet clinic through school to help learn more.
    A lot of ppl my age i know are out getting stoned or drinking till they have no damn brain cells left and doing drugs, and wouldnt dream of wasting time on pets. But thats not me, I always have a place for pets and always will, my furture job will involve animals, and you can ask any of my friends if i take good care of my pets or not?
    Even though saying this it doesn't matter, because the youth in no world will measure up to the adult. 2 more yrs ppl! and i do know a lot about animals and am still learning! i just can't get you ppl to understand what i'm talking about! and i'd love for you to just come over and see the dog so you can say "ok, i see where shes coming from" but you ppl seem to just have one and only way of looking at things, and you tell me to open my mind..you can't say that when you don't yourself!

    I think if i just say i'm doing it your way then atleast i'll be normal again, so yes i am.....if thats what you want to hear



    My babies: Josie, Zeke, Kiba, Shadow (AKA Butter)

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    Carrie: Please state your qualifactions, did you attend university and take classes on animal behavior and psychology? Work with a trainer or did you just get this out of a book. I know Audrey and it is a swat. It does not mean a wack or anything along that line. She just means that she knows what has the best result for Josie. You do not know Josie or Audrey, thus you cannot make the assumptions that you do. And Audrey came here for advice on what to do, she tried it failed, accept it. And dont ever ever assume that because someone swats a dog that they are a weak leader.

    Lizbud: Where to begin, how about actually posting a reply instead of always agreeing to whatever carrie says. You may-as-well not post at all, but if you come up with an opinion, then feel free.

    Caitlin

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    Audery! STOP!! LOL!!! I don't read anyone here calling you stupid! Only you are!! And, you know, there are LOTS of members your age here! As a matter of fact, Logan and I were just talking about how the younger ones are taking over! (And we're not that old!) And Audrey, it's not only young people disagreeing with older ones. Full grown adults disagree with each other as well, all the time! You're right! In two years you too will be in "our group," and you won't have the "excuse" of being a "kid" to fall back on when you and other disagree!!! That's just the way life is. I think you should stop putting yourself down, because no on else here is! We're all here to share ALL of our ideas. And I think, as I said before, that you are a very special young woman, with a lot of love to give to your animals, and that's the most important thing. I wasn't NOT sticking up for you, silly! I was responding to the comment made about Carrie by Jiz, who doesn't know her. You know how negatively I feel about hitting a dog because I already told you! And while I am not as knowledgeable about the science of animal behavior as others here, I have my own instintive feelings, emotional responses, as well as first hand experiences with my own dogs, that I base that decision upon. I told you about my abused husky rescue, Cody. Even the motion of a hand going up in the air and she yelps, cowers and belly crawls into a corner. She was hit throughout her young life, and I see the permanent harm it caused her, everyday. And I know, that is not the type of hitting you are talking about. But still, it is just feeling that there are so many other ways to deal with doggie issues than resorting to physical correction. Just give others... here, and in your life in general, a chance to share their thoughts, ideas and knowledge with you. None of us is too old to learn. Not me, for sure! Why not pick up a few books on dog training, talk to other dog guardians in your area, other trainers??? I know that since coming here to Pet Talk, I have learned so much about dealing with obedience issues with both my lab Star and Cody; all by listening to what others had to say and reflecting upon what their experiences have been with their dogs. Star is a lab, and she can certainly be a handful!! She is VERY independent, strong willed, intelligent and very demanding, IF I allow her to be! She definitely wants to assume the alpha role for the whole world!! If she had it her way, she would bark her head off everytime the wind blew, would eat every minute of the day, and until just recently, would wake me up at 2am with her ball in her mouth, plop it on my chest, and whine to go out to play. If she misbehaves, it is MY fault. I have given her the wrong message, signals. I have a very sympathetic side, and my tendency is always to "give in" rather than reprimand. Well, finally, I was getting too tired, being woken up every night at 2am! And, she has to learn to eat at the appropriate times, or she'd be yelping at the pantry and frig all day long! After a lot of discussion with knowledgeable dog people and my vet, I finally accepted the fact that I had to be the boss!! And it didn't require physical reprimand. It was hard, but when she would start to bark to demand something, when she would yelp and bark to go out and play at 2am, I was told I HAD to just ignore her. She would stop when she realized that barking or begging was not going to get her what she wanted! And, after a week or two, blessed silence. And no, I certainly am not denying her anything or being cruel. Ask anyone here. No dog gets MORE atteniton, time and love than Star and Cody. But, guidelines do have to be set or your life will be chaos! Just think about what others have said. OK?? Oh, and on my refrigerator, I have printed the Dogs' Bill of Rights. Among those rights is this...."I have the right not to be made a prisoner of my own misbehavior." In other words, "teach me how to be good...not punnished." And, the quote in my signature below, for me, says it all!

    [ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: tatsxxx11 ]

    Star,Tigg'r , Mollie and the10 Gallon Gang!

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  14. #44
    YAY! Caitlin is my hero! lol anyway, she understands my points! SOMEONE IN THE WORLD does..

    Thank you caitlin (hugs to your sweet dee, fat little kit and mr farret



    My babies: Josie, Zeke, Kiba, Shadow (AKA Butter)

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    Fair enough, Audrey. Sounds like this perhaps was an issue that never needed to be discussed afterall, since there doesn't seem to be a problem, and Audrey is comfortable with her decision. Good, case closed!

    [ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: tatsxxx11 ]

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