thanks everyone. yep, blackjack is too afraid to look straight at you. we got him at an auction, and he prolly didn't come from a good home. jack is so mellow. he used to get his halter off while he was tied up outside and would stay in the yard. but one time he started galloping down the road and stuff!! he is really hyper when he is off his lead. when we put him in his stall for the night he bucks and runs around until he gets his food!