Wysong ! ! ! (i am totally impressed !)

[Dixieland Dancer]

Originally posted by shais_mom:


I wonder if the dry BilJac is as good as the frozen??

Biljac dry is no where near as good as the frozen!

Biljac dry uses these ingredients which bring red flags to me. Chicken by-products use any and all organ meat available. Sometimes this can be dangerous since the liver is used to filter toxins and these toxins may be at extremely high counts. You never know. Why do they add so many preservatives????

My opinion is either Canidae or Innova. Raw would be Biljac frozen. If your dog(s) have skin problems then you can't afford not to feed one of these.

Now lets take another look at the cost. Dixie is a 65 lb. Golden girl. On Innova she gets 2 1/4 cups a day. If she was on Nutro Max she would get 3 1/3 - 4 1/4 cups. The difference is the density in the nutrients needed to supply adequate nutrition to the dog. Innova is very dense requiring less food intake for the same amount of nutrition that it takes Nutro to provide in almost double the amount of food.

Let's say I get a 20 pound bag of Innova for $23.00 and a 20 pound bag of Nutro for $14.99 (the costs in my area), am I saving? Let's just say for conversation sake that a 20 pound bag contains 100 cups of dog food. If I feed Innova at 2 1/4 cups a day that gives me 44.4 meals. That is $.52 a meal. If I feed Nutro at 3 1/3 cups a day (remember the amount can be as much as 4 1/4) then I get 30 meals. That is $.49 a meal. I get 14.4 more meals with Innova per bag. I also get less stole to clean up. The difference is only 3 cents a bag!

Now you can compare the ingredients..... You decide are you really saving that much??????

[crow_noir]

just to keep w/ the topic, Wysong doesn't use artificial preservatives, or by-products.


...and if someone proves me wrong, you can beat me w/ the frying pan.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Dixie, I have a question for you!!!!!!!
We try to give Perry and Daisy healthy food.
Daisy was turning off of the Purina lamb and rice dry food, so we looked around and thought the Natures Receipe canned looked pretty good, it has potatoes and carrots in it. We give them each a 1/4 can in the morning and 1/4 or 1/2 cup of Purina dry lamb and rice in the afternoon and various treats, try to get low cal and low fat.
I think Perry weighs about 26-28 pounds and Daisy about 15-16. Have you looked at the Natures Receipe and what is your opinion of this diet and food?
See we still want your opinion
Jackie

[4 feline house]

Pet foods have so many preservatives because it is necessarily high in fat. Fat goes rancid very quickly (check out that old tub of crisco) and needs preservatives to keep it from spoiling. If you choose dry food, you will surely need preservatives.

[4 feline house]

Of course, not all preservatives are bad. A very good fat preservative is vitamin E. This would be listed as alpha-tocopherol or tocopheryl acetate or succinate on the label. Vitamin E is an anti-oxidant and is good for skin and coat.

[Dixieland Dancer]

Originally posted by Jackie:
Dixie, I have a question for you!!!!!!!
We try to give Perry and Daisy healthy food.
Daisy was turning off of the Purina lamb and rice dry food, so we looked around and thought the Natures Receipe canned looked pretty good, it has potatoes and carrots in it. We give them each a 1/4 can in the morning and 1/4 or 1/2 cup of Purina dry lamb and rice in the afternoon and various treats, try to get low cal and low fat.
I think Perry weighs about 26-28 pounds and Daisy about 15-16. Have you looked at the Natures Receipe and what is your opinion of this diet and food?
Jackie

The Nature's recipe is pretty good for a canned food. Carrots and Potatoes are pretty far down on the ingredient list but the first ingredient is Lamb stock whick is good. I don't like the ingredients list in the Purina lamb and rice dry at all. The first ingredient is Ground yellow corn and it doesn't get any better after that. I personally would switch the dry but if they are doing okay on it and not having any skin or allergy reactions you can stick with it if you want.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Dixie, what dry would you suggest? I like the lamb and rice, their coats are very shiny and slick with the lamb. I mean what kind of dry lamb and rice?
Jackie

[shais_mom]

Well, I had this post almost done then got up to do something and came back and stubbed my toe and put my hand on the keyboard and did SOMETHING and lost the whole post!!
Here I go again:
I think that Nutro has a Lamb and Rice Formula.
I believe from what I am understanding from this discussion and previous several we have had is that Purina Pro Plan is better than plain Purina. The first ingredient in Plain Purina is corn, and I have read that the first ingredient in PPPis chicken and chicken meal. I think. When Shaianne was having her tummy troubles I tried and tried to find the best food for her. I used the chicken formula of PPP and she really liked it. The first ingredient has to be a meat for me to buy it. This is the one reason I stopped using Pedigree, even tho I know other people that swear by it. That is also the reason that I will not buy Science Diet, even tho my sister swears by the lamb and rice formula for her dog. I KNOW that corn is put in dog food for sweetness and texture that was discussed in other food discussions we have had.But when its the first ingredient is when it worries me. This is also the reason I won't buy the Dog Chow products. The breeder told me that they weaned the puppies on Puppy chow and wanted to know if I had any, if not they would give me some. Which was very generous of them don't get me wrong but I had already bought Professional puppy formula and decided that as soon as she started on that the better. I think the reason that most people use Puppy Chow for their puppies is b/c its the most well known Puppy Formula.
I noticed when Shai had dog food that had corn as the main ingredient her stool volume was large and numerus!
I didn't figure that the biljac dry was as good as the frozen. This sounds silly but the packaging is so cheap and generic that was a good clue!!
I gave Keegan a TEASPOONOF canned food that I had left over from Shai(one small can unopened) so I mixed that into her puppy food today to "BRIBE" her to eat in her crate. It worked she ate in her crate and finished the whole bowl. I really don't want to get her started on Canned food like I did Shai. I ran into trouble with that. TUMMY TROUBLES and then she wouldn'e eat her dry food w/o it.
I agree with Candy, Jackie , if Perry and Daisy are doing well on what they are on leave well enough alone. I tried the Natures Recipe carrot and potatoe formula with Shaianne and she was ok with it. I tried the veggie formula and she wouldn't eat it come hell or high water!!

[*LabLoverKEB*]

Originally posted by shais_mom:
I didn't want to use Puppy Chow, or Iams and I am glad I didn't decide on Eukanuba after reading that!

Staci, I've heard that a lot of people, think Iams and Eukanuba, are bad. I feed Sadie Eukanuba Maintanence(sp?). Is it bad for dogs???

[shais_mom]

Originally posted by crow_noir:

perhaps IAMS does not use roadkill, but i have heard many cases of dogs getting cancer at an early age. ....their food, Eukanauba.

I don't know if Iams/Eukanuba is bad but after reading this quote is what I meant

[AngieS]

Originally posted by shais_mom:
I think that Nutro has a Lamb and Rice Formula.

Yes Nutro has a lamb and rice formula. It is Nutro Natural Choice Lamb Meal and Rice. I feed the Nutro natural choice chicken meal and rice formula.
Angie

[crow_noir]

Sarah, i don't have any links right now, but i got my info from "the truth about dog foods" type links.

i forget how i got a search, but you may want to look up "dog food" or "dog food ingredients".

i'll try to remember to look some up in the next few days.

[crow_noir]

I'm not having much luck, but here is one i had to post... http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79

ah, what the heck http://www.petconsumerreport.com/dog_food.htm

i'm just going to add a few as i go along.

about preservatives... http://www.executec.com/nutra.htm


... http://www.arescuemom.org/Eukanuba,IamsDogFood.html

more testamony about natural, and why commercial is bad. (blah blah blah) http://www.husky-petlove.com/dogfood2.html

hey, i folloed a link, did a search on the page for Eukanuba, and low and behold i find another Schultze fan!!! http://www.leerburg.com/935.htm

both sides of the argument on Eukanuba from Alaska... http://www.adn.com/idit/story/0,3440,238084,00.html

and though i have to grit my teeth in posting this, i like to give all sides of a story if possible, so here is a link against B.A.R.F diets. http://www.secondchanceranch.org/rawmeat.html
http://home.att.net/~wdcusick/main.html
or http://home.att.net/~wdcusick/index.html
http://www.bullmastiffinfo.org/nutritio.htm
this actually has lots of good info. also, the page i got the previous 2 or 3 links from.

do what you will w/ this one http://www.pandgkills.com/IAMS/
/ / / /

http://pub28.ezboard.com/factioncatf....topic&index=9

hmmm, i may have just found the semi-original to the previous link/post http://207.36.38.241/01/6/petfoodAP0601.html

well, i have to get to bed soon. hope you have better luck then i did. all i know is i had heard about dogs getting cancer from it.

[sabies]

My dog Sadie is an extremely picky eater. I started trying to feed her higher quality foods as I learned about them and as she got older - I want her around as long as possible! Her favorites: Wysong, Innova, Nutro (the most economical I've found), and Natural Blend by Royal Canin. She does NOT recommend Wellness by Old Mother Hubbard. I tried a taste test with a less picky dog with the same results - did I get a bad bag? She leaves it sitting all day hoping to get something else!

In addition to dry food I give her cottage cheese and egg yolks now and then which she LOVES and from what I've read is good for her. She seemed like 100% carnivore before, now she comes running any time I open anything that sounds like a cottage cheese container!