Gun control discussion

[mrspunkysmom]

The law in most states says that you CANNOT BEING FIREARMS ONTO SCHOOL PROPERTY, THERE IS ALSO A PERIMETER RULE.

If this idiot did so, he should pay the price, also, why should people fear retribution if they are doing the right thing?

Idiots get to drive, become doctors, teachers and construction workers.

When you crack the secrets of the mind - check the internet for examples of stupidity and then we will make progress.

Fear Retribution? Because those that think they have been wronged do stupid stuff! Revengeful stuff! Being right doesn't mean much if you are injured or dead.

Yes a few always slip through the cracks, but before someone carries a gun in my classroom or home I would like to know that they are well trained. 2nd amendment rights? I have the right to determine what someone brings on my property, something the NRA disagrees with, at least as far as guns are concerned.

Disappointing coming from you, Richard. Being an idiot has nothing to do with being sane or stable. Of course this might have to do with the personal definition of idiot. This has much less to do with common sense and intelligence and much more to do with values and social connections with people.

I'm through trading barbs. I forgot these threads are about insulting others and not having meaningful discussions about a topic of concern.

[Lady's Human]

Fear Retribution? Because those that think they have been wronged do stupid stuff! Revengeful stuff! Being right doesn't mean much if you are injured or dead.

Yes a few always slip through the cracks, but before someone carries a gun in my classroom or home I would like to know that they are well trained. 2nd amendment rights? I have the right to determine what someone brings on my property, something the NRA disagrees with, at least as far as guns are concerned..

You can most certainly bar people from bringing firearms onto your personal property. The second amendment bars GOVERNMENT from banning the possession of firearms, and does in no way, shape or form bar you from banning them on your own property. As an illustration, the Government cannot bar a topic of discussion from this forum, but Karen can ban any discussion she desires to ban.

[RICHARD]

Fear Retribution? Because those that think they have been wronged do stupid stuff! Revengeful stuff! Being right doesn't mean much if you are injured or dead.

Yes a few always slip through the cracks, but before someone carries a gun in my classroom or home I would like to know that they are well trained. 2nd amendment rights? I have the right to determine what someone brings on my property, something the NRA disagrees with, at least as far as guns are concerned.

Disappointing coming from you, Richard. Being an idiot has nothing to do with being sane or stable. Of course this might have to do with the personal definition of idiot. This has much less to do with common sense and intelligence and much more to do with values and social connections with people.

I'm through trading barbs. I forgot these threads are about insulting others and not having meaningful discussions about a topic of concern.

You'd be hard pressed to come up with an excuse for bringing a firearm, any firearm onto school property.

Just like the people who accidentally bring a firearm into an airport because they 'forgot'.

I know what is in my possession pretty much all of the time and if I don't, I shouldn't be worrying about retribution,
I am worried about finding a lawyer and how much this eff-for-all is gonna cost me.

I'd like to think I am sane and stable, but I have my moron/idiot moments - I am not afraid to admit that.....but I sure ain't gonna go after someone that turns me in for my stupidity. I got some bigger fish to fry.

[lizbud]

Fear Retribution? Because those that think they have been wronged do stupid stuff! Revengeful stuff! Being right doesn't mean much if you are injured or dead.

Yes a few always slip through the cracks, but before someone carries a gun in my classroom or home I would like to know that they are well trained. 2nd amendment rights? I have the right to determine what someone brings on my property, something the NRA disagrees with, at least as far as guns are concerned.

Disappointing coming from you, Richard. Being an idiot has nothing to do with being sane or stable. Of course this might have to do with the personal definition of idiot. This has much less to do with common sense and intelligence and much more to do with values and social connections with people.

I'm through trading barbs. I forgot these threads are about insulting others and not having meaningful discussions about a topic of concern.

It would be a pity if this were your last post on this subject. Clarity of thought and expression is always a good thing.

[lizbud]

Interesting article on successful marketing of lethal weapons.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinio...html?hpt=hp_c2

[Karen]

Interesting article on successful marketing of lethal weapons.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinio...html?hpt=hp_c2

I have two responses to that, Liz -

1. What weapons are NOT lethal? Isn't that sentence redundant?

2. It is an article on an ad campaign - who is to say whether it worked at all, or had any impact whatsoever?

[RICHARD]

If we outlaw guns, how will we defend ourselves from pirates?

[cassiesmom]

"The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." -- National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre
You're missing the point. The goal is to keep the gun away from the bad guy in the first place!! Hello?!!? And what if you put someone in a school who claims to be a good guy but is actually bad? Then you have an adult with a gun in close proximity to children on a daily basis. Wasn't that the whole problem to begin with?

[Lady's Human]

"The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." -- National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre
You're missing the point. The goal is to keep the gun away from the bad guy in the first place!! Hello?!!? And what if you put someone in a school who claims to be a good guy but is actually bad? Then you have an adult with a gun in close proximity to children on a daily basis. Wasn't that the whole problem to begin with?

So cops shouldn't have weapons either? After all, one of them could (and has, on occasion) turned into a bad guy with a gun.

[Miss Z]

I'm not sure why it was only this evening whilst watching the news that I was reminded of the 1996 shooting in Dunblane, Scotland. I apologise if this has been mentioned before since I've skipped a fair few pages on this thread. The Dunblane shootings were similar in many respects to the recent shootings in Connecticut - a quiet, unassuming town, and many young children (and I believe teachers too) were shot dead before the gunman turned the gun on himself. The British tennis player, Andy Murray, was a survivor of the shooting.

I was very young at the time of the incident, about the age of the primary school children killed. I can't really recall the impact it had on my school life, but my parents can. Security at the school gates became paramount, with secretary-operated buzzer systems installed pretty much everywhere and alarm systems upgraded to the latest technology. Furthermore, following the incident almost all handguns were banned from private ownership without a licence. I cannot comment on what happened to those guns already in private ownership. Yet since then, we have had no massacres at any educational institution. In my 20 years, I can recall one other mass shooting in the UK. I can recall many more for the USA.

So no, banning something will never entirely eliminate the problem. Unless we could ban nut-jobs, perhaps. Indeed, mental health checks can only be helpful before a gun is sold to a member of the public, but how well would they be followed up? I can be sane today, but bonkers tomorrow. No-one necessarily need know I'm bonkers until I, say, pick up my gun and go on a shooting spree...

[lizbud]

I have two responses to that, Liz -

1. What weapons are NOT lethal? Isn't that sentence redundant?

2. It is an article on an ad campaign - who is to say whether it worked at all, or had any impact whatsoever?

The article was talking about the marketing of the weapon used in the Newtown shooting. (A ultra lethal weapon)

Probably was redundant.

The ad also was very successful. That particular weapon was flying off the shelves in every gunstore in the country.
Now that the "pro gun" folks are convinced that all weapons will be banned by the ( Goverment) AKA. (the bogeyman)

http://www.bushmaster.com/index.asp

[Lady's Human]

Interesting article on successful marketing of lethal weapons.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinio...html?hpt=hp_c2

I read that piece this morning and rolled my eyes.

Bushmaster (who didn't really need much marketing or a competent marketing department, as they make one of the best rifles of that type on the market) took a common comment (Dude, really? You'll lose your man card for that!) and turned it into a weak marketing campaign aimed at......people who were already going to purchase a weapon anyway.

This isn't Joe Camel, the Marlboro man, or the mass media campaigns trying to get you to drink brand X beer.....it's an ad aimed at people who were already going to make a purchase.You're not going to see ads for S+W during the evening news, though I'd welcome those in place of the endless stream of ads for Viagra, Cialis, or any of the other products in that vein that are slathered everywhere.

[RICHARD]

You're not going to see ads for S+W during the evening news, though I'd welcome those in place of the endless stream of ads for Viagra, Cialis, or any of the other products in that vein that are slathered everywhere.

And, what vein may that be?

[mrspunkysmom]

It would be a pity if this were your last post on this subject. Clarity of thought and expression is always a good thing.

Thanks Liz