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    For the record, NJ has some of the strictest gun laws out there. He is from Hoboken, NJ.

    NO ONE wanted anything like this to happen. This is sick, twisted and disgusting. I've cried over it today twice. I am assuming he had something against his family, and he apparently killed most of them too. Unfortunately he had to kill 27 others with them...repulsive. I am disgusted that he comes from the same state as me and that I could have walked right past him at any time.

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    Please keep all the victims in your prayers, and all the families affected. My church organist for the past two years, who recenty stepped down, is from that town, her cousin and godson attend that school. They are both safe, as is her mother, who works in another school there, which was on lockdown all day, of course.

    Please do not try to find sense in all this, although endless talking heads will speculate. It was the shooter's mother, and her classroom and students that were the target, but beyond that, we do not know, and there may be no "why" involved.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/...ack/index.html

    China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.

    A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.

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    So sad

    Not all the information is in quite yet. I can't imagine mowing down kindergarten children and first graders. What a sick person he must have been. Mental health can be a fragile thing. I understand the killer had his brother's ID on him. Gosh, such damage to hundreds of people. Their lives will be a mess for years to come.

    I hate guns. I would never own one. I see no reason why anyone needs an automatic "anything" gun-wise. Let's get the Glocks (?) off the street. I understand the killer went through hundreds of bullets ... many, many rounds.

    This story makes me sick and angry.

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    Ah yes. Here we go again. Excuses, excuses, excuses. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns! The Second Amendment! I need my gun to protect my family! They got the guns illegally so laws would do no good.

    And..."in China they had a spat of knife killings." Oh please - I have no idea what that has to do with anything but I would take my chances with a knife nut over a gun nut any day.

    This is two of these public shootings in a week. In what is supposedly the season of peace and goodwill!!

    In a week or two, when all the children are buried we will forget about it...until the next one. And there will be a next one.

    Then once again we will hear... If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns! The Second Amendment! I need my gun to protect my family! They got the guns illegally so laws would do no good.

    I guess we will continue to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post

    I guess we will continue to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle.

    Absolutely. After all, Hippa rights disallow mental health record checks with NICS. It's more important to sequester those records than to allow them in background checks.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Pork chop murder.


    http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/nation...ray-in-florida

    Will the alledged shooter be grilled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Absolutely. After all, Hippa rights disallow mental health record checks with NICS. It's more important to sequester those records than to allow them in background checks.
    I would agree with you regarding mental health record checks. But there are also the "gun show" loop holes that should be closed. There are so many things that could be - and should be done.

    Unfortunately we will hear about gun owners' rights and the politicians will be too scared to do what they should do.

    p.s. It is HIPAA - Health Insurance Portability & Accountability Act.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post

    Unfortunately we will hear about gun owners' rights and the politicians will be too scared to do what they should do.

    Rights that the vast majority of gun owners have never abused.

    The politicians should be scared to touch basic rights. If they weren't I'd worry.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by catlady1945 View Post
    Blah, blah, blah ... still clinging to the right to have guns in your bedrooms.
    If you're gong to insist on discussing this like a juvenile, please find another thread to pollute.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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