Do we dare discuss the Supreme Court decision re: Healthcare

[Catty1]

I've gone on too little sleep here often in my life and I ain't done time yet!

[FeatheredMonkey]

I can't seem to remember a program that the government has had it's hands in that was efficient, stayed within budget and was not riddled with extreme excesses or just downright fraud. I really don't foresee this program turning out any different.

I agree that there is a segment of our society that needs health care and can not afford it. In Arizona the program is called AHCCCS. Government run and paid for with tax money taken from working people and it is, like most government programs, extremely inefficient but it gives the needy healthcare.

I think this is just another step to make people more dependent on the government. The more dependent a person is on the government, the more control the government has over that person.

The government is currently spending millions advertising food stamps. Get more people on food stamps, they are more dependent on the government.

The list goes on and on.

[RICHARD]

I've gone on too little sleep here often in my life and I ain't done time yet!

It all depends on what you do while awake!

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At the risk of ticking everyone here off?

Most of have been on the edge of not being able to 'make it' in the world.

Some of us have been blessed with non-stop HCI or some kind of plan to fall back on.

My mom told me the story, with tears in her eyes, about the woman in from of her at the pharmacy.

The woman needed her prescription and was trying to 'barter' a deal with the person on the other side of the counter.

Paraphrasing here - "I don't have enough money to pay for my pills, can I have buy enough to to take until I get more money?"

It doesn't matter when you do not have money. A point that is seem to be lost on the masses.

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Low cost HCI doesn't mean anything when you do not have the money to pay for it, period.

Monthly payments, co-pays and deductibles are pretty scary when you are living 'comfortably'.

Just do not fall, twist, break or get ill.

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Basic HC in other countries is just that, basic.

Go to Mexico and trip into the "clinica" and check out the care.

Look carefully at what they have to offer and pray to god you don't get sick.

A 'curandera/o' might be able to give you and herb or poultice that may make you well.

Forget an X-ray, CAT, MRI. A blood test just might be "it's red and runs"

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Tax, schmax.

You can't afford to pay for anything, now BO and the SC morons, want to make it so you cannot afford more things.

In Cah-lee-fuh-nee-ah, they were ways that the Tax Board and the State Gov't. found ways to take money from you.

If you do not register a vehicle on time, they will garnish your wages or take the money out of your tax return.

If you don't pay child support, they will hit you there also (Kids do need to be taken care of, but that is another topic)

So, what happens when you do not or cannot afford to pay for HCI?

You are 'penalized' for your inability to comply. Heaven forbid you wait until your tax return to get HCI and find out that your money is taken to pay that penalty.

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The people who put this HCI law together do not know what it's like to struggle to pay your bills, put food on the table and keep a roof over your head.

If you have HCI don't worry about it, you're cool.

Don't pay attention to the people who are in ratty pajamas or look unkempt when you go to the ER or Drs' office.
Sit far away from them and don't make eye contact either. You'll feel better knowing you don't have the problems that they do.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Basic HC in other countries is just that, basic.

Go to Mexico and trip into the "clinica" and check out the care.

Look carefully at what they have to offer and pray to god you don't get sick.

A 'curandera/o' might be able to give you and herb or poultice that may make you well.

Forget an X-ray, CAT, MRI. A blood test just might be "it's red and runs"

Here's what I mean about people who do not know what they are talking about....

We know a couple. They are both doctors with Seguro Social - the Mexican health system. He is in general practice - at a clinica. She is a specialist at a hospital.

They are every bit as educated as a doctor in the US. In fact they attended a University in Guadalajara where a good number of US doctors go to study. I would (and have) trust them with my healthcare.

I would not think of insulting them by telling them they are considered to be practicing "folk medicine" that they are "shamans" - that they are unfamiliar with X-rays, CAR scans or MRIs. By someone who I suspect has never even seen a clinic in Mexico. Maybe even never have been to Mexico?

So...don't be a jerk and listen to people who enjoy saying the sky is falling - even if they have never seen the sky.

[blue]

While working construction and now with computers/IT, I have met some pretty dang dumb doctors. Not 5 gallon bucket dumb, but not learning a thing they dont have to past getting the PHD or outside of their field. In the last year I met a doctor who was a year or two older then myself who had never, emphasis Never, used a computer until she started working at the facility 2 years ago. Thats 2010.

There are plenty of dumb people out their with high IQs. The smart Docs are the ones getting out of their practices and retiring.

[RICHARD]

While working construction and now with computers/IT, I have met some pretty dang dumb doctors. Not 5 gallon bucket dumb, but not learning a thing they dont have to past getting the PHD or outside of their field. In the last year I met a doctor who was a year or two older then myself who had never, emphasis Never, used a computer until she started working at the facility 2 years ago. Thats 2010.

There are plenty of dumb people out their with high IQs. The smart Docs are the ones getting out of their practices and retiring.

LOL, back in the early 80s the first comps came onto the scene and the docs then were the guys that had been practicing since the eary 70's. They hated the comps because they had to learn to type.

Watching a doc type gave me hours of pleasure.

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They was a wave of OB docs who were leaving that part of he OB/GYN scene because of the malpractice insurance rates and lawsuits.

I had to laugh at the 'preventative medicine' talk in the OCA.

So, sending people to have preventative checkups will make them healthier?

Yes, but now you are asking physicians to see more patients during the day?

Well, they can be seen by NPs and that will solve that problem, but what their schedule?

The OCA is going to choke the system with patients, sick and well, during a time when their is a shortage of physicians.

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Again, getting insurance does not guarantee you are going to give everyone the same kind of treatment.

For some reason, the people who think that this CA will solve the problems in the system are the same people who believed Nancy Pelosi, who didn't bother to read the 2k pages of the act, she took it on faith that the thing will work.

"I didn't read it, it's good."

Really?

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I sincerely do not know what I am talking about.

I'll leave the expert opinions to the people who know it all.

They are the really, really smart people.

[RICHARD]

I love the fact that other countries have uni health.

Coverage for everyone!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html?ITO=1490

[catlady1945]

I live in a country with Health Care --- guess where I stand on this subject? I love never having to worry about whether or not I can afford to see a doctor.

[caseysmom]

Here's what I mean about people who do not know what they are talking about....

We know a couple. They are both doctors with Seguro Social - the Mexican health system. He is in general practice - at a clinica. She is a specialist at a hospital.

They are every bit as educated as a doctor in the US. In fact they attended a University in Guadalajara where a good number of US doctors go to study. I would (and have) trust them with my healthcare.

I would not think of insulting them by telling them they are considered to be practicing "folk medicine" that they are "shamans" - that they are unfamiliar with X-rays, CAR scans or MRIs. By someone who I suspect has never even seen a clinic in Mexico. Maybe even never have been to Mexico?

So...don't be a jerk and listen to people who enjoy saying the sky is falling - even if they have never seen the sky.

I know a few ex pat's living in Mexico, they have had outstanding medical care for a ridiculously low cost.

[RICHARD]

Here's what I mean about people who do not know what they are talking about....

We know a couple. They are both doctors with Seguro Social - the Mexican health system. He is in general practice - at a clinica. She is a specialist at a hospital.

They are every bit as educated as a doctor in the US. In fact they attended a University in Guadalajara where a good number of US doctors go to study. I would (and have) trust them with my healthcare.

I would not think of insulting them by telling them they are considered to be practicing "folk medicine" that they are "shamans" - that they are unfamiliar with X-rays, CAR scans or MRIs. By someone who I suspect has never even seen a clinic in Mexico. Maybe even never have been to Mexico?

So...don't be a jerk and listen to people who enjoy saying the sky is falling - even if they have never seen the sky.

I was going to let this one pass, but I find that you are at times very entertaining and insulting caustic.

You can never let a post of mine go without making it a point to counterpoint a comment that I make.
I try to keep things light, but that is kinda impossible when people who have no sense of humor take me to task.

Of course I have been to Mexico, of course I have been to the clinics and also been to 'curanderas, brujos and brujas'. The Expats who can afford to go to the doctors can and will.

(Just so you know, The Most Interesting Man in the World was my Infectious Disease doctor....You don't have a sense of humor, so I won't explain it to you.)

I have seen the best kind of care offered and been a patient on the receiving end of WORLD CLASS Pat care.

I did put in 30 years in the HC industry and I remember you asking ME for some advice as to how to look at or into a hospital bill.

I may not know all there is about medicine, but might know a bit more about how a hospital runs.

It runs on paper and on that paper is printed dead presidents.

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The real danger of the Obamacare debacle are the people who won't bother to look up into the sky to see what is flying about. They are the dedicated brainwashed who believe the government is too involved with our lives, but go on and crow about how the government will reform an industry that's got it's head shoved so far up the politico's rear end they know exactly how many have prostate problems.

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The next time someone you know or even yourself runs into a problem with the 'system' do not complain about it.

Go back to watching "Scrubs" or "House" and figure out how they resolve a health care issue in 48 minutes.

And watch for the lawyer commercials or the ads that want you to go see a doc when your medication causes you anal leakage, dizziness, an erection that lasts more than 4 hours or tingling in the arms or legs.

That's all you need to know.


Yeb vas.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I was going to let this one pass, but I find that you are at times very entertaining and insulting caustic.

You can never let a post of mine go without making it a point to counterpoint a comment that I make.
I try to keep things light, but that is kinda impossible when people who have no sense of humor take me to task.

There is nothing I like more than a challenge! So I counted. You have posted 13 times in this thread. I have posted seven times. Only two of those posts were in response to something you posted. I think "never" is a bit of hyperbole??

I did put in 30 years in the HC industry and I remember you asking ME for some advice as to how to look at or into a hospital bill.

Indeed, seven years ago I asked you about how to understand a hospital bill - while you were working in one. Come to think of it - around that same time you were a guest in my home.

The good old days eh?