Sep. 11th Picture!

[Rottieluver45]

My sister found this pic on the internet and I wanted to show you guys!It`s supposed to be an angel!

[Logan]

I don't know if that picture depicts it, but I truly believe there were Angels there, that day.

[Soledad]

I remember all the hoopla over the devil's face in smoke, and I think that turned out to be a hoax. Internet pictures often have dubious origins. It's too large to be a bird, I bet it's just been imposed on there. I guess it's the sentiment that counts, though.

[Ann]

Soledad, I too am positive it's a computer made picute. However, I remember reading somewhere that the "devil in the smoke" picture actually was real and non-modified, but I honestly don't belive that.

Anyways, let's for a moment say that there ARE angels in reality, shouldn't they just have prevented this whole thing from happening all together instead of just flying around in the area afterwards? I guess that's one of the many reasons why I don't have any "faith".

[lovemymaltese]

I am positive that angels were there that day and working overtime. I am not sure that I trust the picture, looks more like a bird to me. But what a beautiful idea. We don't have to see the angels to know they were there.

[Rottieluver45]

Here`s the one with the devil in the smoke! I think it`s real! Do you guys?

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

Circumstances like this are solely because of mans free will. When God created man one of the most powerful traits that was given to us is free will. I don't know if the pictures were doctored or not but I do know that God is always with us and loves us ... but humans make their own dicisions.

[NoahsMommy]

Originally posted by Sara luvs her Tinky
Circumstances like this are solely because of mans free will. When God created man one of the most powerful traits that was given to us is free will. I don't know if the pictures were doctored or not but I do know that God is always with us and loves us ... but humans make their own dicisions.

Well said Sara.

This picture is not real...anyone could have made it look like that.

[Rottieluver45]

Originally posted by NoahsMommy


Well said Sara.

Very well said!

[Ann]

Originally posted by popcornbird
Ann, there ARE angels in reality. Angels are not supposed to stop things from happening; God has written down everything that happens, not the angels. The angels are servants of God. If you recall the 9 miners stuck in the mines just a few weeks ago; how they were miraculously saved. Its God, and no one but God, who saved them. Such incidents greatly increase my faith.

If it is like you said and God writes down everything that will happen (he must get quite a sore hand ), then the picture of the Devil in the smoke can't be real. Cause by saying what you just did, you are saying that God WANTED 9/11 to happen, and that the Devil had nothing to do with it.

Maybe you should try to accept that not everyone believes in the Christian faith. It's like the whole porn thread that was closed down and stopped from having an intellectual discussion, for you to sit there and say that your Christian God makes all the rules and makes everything happen, it's so very close-minded. I don't care if you people want to believe in an almighty God and I most certainly do not go around and say that your beliefs are silly (unless provoked, like now), and I just wish you people would show the same sort of respect towards non-believers.

Oh well, I'm sure this thread will be closed too, right? Isn't it funny that non-pet related topics are all fine and dandy as long as it contains the TYPICAL views of people. The God-loving, porn-hating, USA-loving stuff but as soon as someone will say something that goes against those typical believes, it is judges as non-fitting for Pet Talk and will be closed down. It's just not fair.

[Soledad]

Things certainly have been heating up here lately on PetTalk. I quite like it, but I know it makes others uncomfortable. However, Ann, we may just be in the minority and have to accept that most people here just want this site to be light and not have to have intellectual debates. They usually end badly, anyway. However, I am always keen to have an exchange so feel free to PM me or email me if you get flustered or want to discuss something.

If it helps you out any, I too am a non-believer on PetTalk. I don't find that anyone singles me out because of it, but there is a presumption that everyone believes the same thing more or less.

Here's my take on the whole angel/God thing:

No one can prove conclusively that God/angels exist. There is no proof, but there is faith. Faith is the ability to believe in something which you have no concrete proof, but you take that leap and you trust in it. I grew up Catholic, and I always remember the priest saying "now we will celebrate the mystery of faith"....I think that sums it up well. I find faith to be quite a beautiful thing, but it is a personal thing.

My issue with people who are deeply religious is when they take faith for fact and insist that everyone believe. But I think religion can be quite useful for some, I just don't have much need for it and don't need to be told otherwise. Just like I don't tell others that they shouldn't have faith.

Ann, are you familiar with Dawkins or evolutionary psychology? I think you'd be very interested in it.

[Rottieluver45]

I`m so sorry if this topic is offending anyone!! Do you want me to delete it?

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

No one can prove conclusively that God/angels exist. There is no proof, but there is faith.

I generally don't like confrontation and try to stay out of a topic once people feel they are being offended but I just want to interject this one time and ,,, I am by no means trying to attack anyone or offend anyone... but I am a christian and I have to dissagree with the above quote. I and many others that I know have seen the works of God happen with our own eyes. Things like this are no coincidence (sp?). The Bible is one of the most awesome books in the world. It has 66 authors and not one contridiction in the whole book. Humans could not possibly have done that. My heart just aches for anyone who doesn't believe in God. We christians know he is real and do have facts we see him with our own eyes and hear him and feel him... non believers don't see these things simply because they are non believers. God is so awesome and so real... and when you said we are close minded is so untrue. We listen to the teachings of evolution in school and since there is evidence now that macroevolution could not have possibly happened.. I just wish more people would be open minded to God and try him out. He is so full of love and fills your life with so much joy.
I don't want to offend anyone.. I just have a tender heart for people's future.
If anyone ever has any questions .. I would be happy to talk about it.

[Cincy'sMom]

I usally try to stay out of controversial subjects. Although I find them interesting, too often people do not respect other's points of views and it turns ugly. It is hard though, because I do find it interesting and the this is a great forum for the disccusions with some many people, from some many backgrounds able to share views. In order for that to happen though, it can not turn into a "who is right" & "who is wrong" situation. Regardless of whether someone is Christian, atheist, Muslim, Jewish, etc. They are not only entitled to their opinion, but should be respected for it and listened to. Everyone should be able to say what they like and everyone else should be open to what they say. They do not have to agree, but they should be aware there are views other then their own out there. Sometimes being open will make you question what you thought...and that is not bad. It is part of growing. Wether it brings you faith, or changes your faith, reaffirms what you belive or do not believe, it doesn't matter. Having the knowledge, thinking things through and making the decision for yourself does. Learning to accept everyone for what he or she belives is what is important.

[WendyW]

Amen to respecting other's beliefs. An excellent way to spoil a board is to dis another's faith and to say everything about the country of most of our members sucks, while quoting "President Franklin". It's called common courtesy, but a few angry and unhappy people here just don't care. Please don't spoil it for the rest of us - OK?