Politics and religion.

[Bonny]

You all wanted an opinion I jumped in. Politics as usual. My beliefs are broad so be it, they are my beliefs. Politicans are politicans they are all crooks, I don't care who you vote in. They start out with good ideas & get sucked in to it with the good old boys. Those kids that have jobs good for them maybe more kids will get out their & try to earn a wage instead of expecting mommy & daddy to pay for everything while the whole family goes into debt because they are living beyond their means.

Can you tell me why these banks are building big new buildings all over the USA? They must not be hurting to bad. MY son & daughter in law want to add on to their house & the banks are taking them for a roller coaster ride.

Lets go for other choices when it comes to powering our homes, cars, industry etc. Wind Generators are a start. Thermo energy, using the sun. All the things that are naturally there. Nuclear energy scars me to tell you the truth. Those barrels stored in that mountain are probably leaking as we speak.

As far as the Muslims go they have to change things their self. In Iraq, Bush had planned on educating the next generation, well it is not working out. The people are pissed over there they don't want our Western ideals crammed down their throats.

We all may have to give up something in the future if things keep going the way they are. Actually we have already so to speak. I know it is a broad response.

[Lady's Human]

Wind power is a very, very partial solution, as the wind doesn't blow 24/7, and the NIMBY crowd (strangely enough a large % of them are pushing for alternative energy, just not where they can see it)

Solar also is a very partial solution, with one caveat: Fund the hell out of NASA, and give the 10 years to have a solar power satellite system in place. Otherwise, you're limited to powering individual locations with photovoltaic cells, and there are some REALLY nasty chemicals used in manufacturing them. Eventually our house will probably be using them for supplemental power, but they aren't a solution unless you live in Arizona.

The other problem with both wind and solar is that you cannot efficiently transmit electricity over large areas. The loss is substantial Besides, as the recent fiasco in upstate NY shows, even high voltage lines aren't immune from NIMBY. (Unless you get into REALLY high voltages, and then forget even getting a permit to look at maybe possibly building a grid. China has accomplished extremely high voltage grid lines, we have not)

Nukes? TMI gave the residents in the immediate area an extra dental X-ray. It wasn't failure, it was proof of concept.

Chernobyl cannot happen in the US, as we don't use that type of reactor.

Barrels leaking in Yucca Mountain? They can't be. Last time I checked, there weren't any there.

Until people really decide they want alternative energy, it's not going to happen. The one option we know how to implement on a large enough scale to be an impact immediately is Nuclear, but it's so expensive legally that it's practically pointless to even ask for a permit for a plant.

[lizbud]

Wind power is a very, very partial solution, as the wind doesn't blow 24/7, and the NIMBY crowd (strangely enough a large % of them are pushing for alternative energy, just not where they can see it)

Solar also is a very partial solution, with one caveat: Fund the hell out of NASA, and give the 10 years to have a solar power satellite system in place. Otherwise, you're limited to powering individual locations with photovoltaic cells, and there are some REALLY nasty chemicals used in manufacturing them. Eventually our house will probably be using them for supplemental power, but they aren't a solution unless you live in Arizona.

The other problem with both wind and solar is that you cannot efficiently transmit electricity over large areas. The loss is substantial Besides, as the recent fiasco in upstate NY shows, even high voltage lines aren't immune from NIMBY. (Unless you get into REALLY high voltages, and then forget even getting a permit to look at maybe possibly building a grid. China has accomplished extremely high voltage grid lines, we have not)

Nukes? TMI gave the residents in the immediate area an extra dental X-ray. It wasn't failure, it was proof of concept.

Chernobyl cannot happen in the US, as we don't use that type of reactor.

Barrels leaking in Yucca Mountain? They can't be. Last time I checked, there weren't any there.

Until people really decide they want alternative energy, it's not going to happen. The one option we know how to implement on a large enough scale to be an impact immediately is Nuclear, but it's so expensive legally that it's practically pointless to even ask for a permit for a plant.

Thought the subject was Religion ? and who peed in your Cheerios this AM?

[Lady's Human]

Shifted from religion to the economy to energy about midway up the page.

I can't reference who did what in my wheaties this morning, as it is part of an ongoing investigation.

[Bonny]

Blame it all on Pucky he started it further up the page.

[Puckstop31]

You all wanted an opinion I jumped in. Politics as usual. My beliefs are broad so be it, they are my beliefs.

I don't want to speak for LH, but I am not trying to 'prove you wrong'. I think this is a good discussion.

[Lady's Human]

Puck, there's a REASON I'm an officer for what is, for all intents and purposes, a public employees' Union.

Research the labor conditions in the US Post Office prior to 1970 and it might open your eyes to see why the APWU exists.

For another example of why we need Unions, read:

http://www.pressconnects.com/article...cal-violations

and take into consideration that management at the plant has been screwing with the employees repeatedly about BS safety violations, but when someone finally has had enough and calls OSHA for real violations, what happens?

I spent this morning in a pre-disciplinary interview for my comments to OSHA.

[Bonny]

Pucky, That is what bothers me, these kids that get whatever they want, whenever they want. There probably won't be any S.S. left but I am going to enjoy it while I can. A person can not just rely on S.S. to tied you over & if a person is smart there will be cash under the mattress.

When I talk about THEY, I mean the politicans & the richer than richer that control this country. You can throw the big CORPS.,in there too but they are owned by the richer than rich anyways.

Unions?!?! My dad belonged to the railroad union my husband United Parcel Service Union. If you didn't want to be working a 12 hour day 7 days a week with only a day off a month like my grandfather did on the railroad when there were no unions then a union would make sense. The employees pay into the union so it does not involve the state or federal funds that I know of. There are mom & pop companys in this country that still exist where you don't need a union they are good to you & you are like family. But when you get into the big Corps. you better have your back side protected.

Those wind generators may not work in your part of the country but they do here in the Midwest. The Dakotas & Nebraska have them all over the place along with Minnesota & Iowa. We also have grain ethonal plants the greenies don't like them, but whatever surplus corn we have goes to them to make ethonal & it is blended into the gas. Everyone has to keep trying to come up with something that will work, we can't be dependent on oil forever.

Yes this is a good discussion. I don't have numbers to back any thing up & when you do have numbers where do they come from? It would be like I won the championship with my steer at the fair. No one asks how many were in the class with me? What if there was only one other person & they got reserve?

[Puckstop31]

Pucky, That is what bothers me, these kids that get whatever they want, whenever they want. There probably won't be any S.S. left but I am going to enjoy it while I can. A person can not just rely on S.S. to tied you over & if a person is smart there will be cash under the mattress.

What do I tell my kid(s) then?

Unions?!?! My dad belonged to the railroad union my husband United Parcel Service Union. If you didn't want to be working a 12 hour day 7 days a week with only a day off a month like my grandfather did on the railroad when there were no unions then a union would make sense. The employees pay into the union so it does not involve the state or federal funds that I know of. There are mom & pop companys in this country that still exist where you don't need a union they are good to you & you are like family. But when you get into the big Corps. you better have your back side protected.

I have no problem with private company unions. So long as the employee knows what he is getting into.

Everyone has to keep trying to come up with something that will work, we can't be dependent on oil forever.

I agree 100%. But until we get 'there', what do we do?

Yes this is a good discussion. I don't have numbers to back any thing up & when you do have numbers where do they come from? It would be like I won the championship with my steer at the fair. No one asks how many were in the class with me? What if there was only one other person & they got reserve?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...cit_chart.html


http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-v...bt-by-country/



For starters... But, any one can do the math. Look at the current debt. Add the current (projected) deficit. Look at the pending number of retirees, then compare that to the number of people who will be working and paying SS taxes.

Something HAS to give. One way or the other. Wait till all the 'stimulus' money is spent, with nothing to show for it, save shiny new roads and bridges. 2.5 trillion or so in 'new' money, chasing the original amount of goods and services.....

Simply put, the government(s) has to stop spending money like they are.

[Bonny]

Right now the farmers in this country are needing help & are asking our own people to come & work for them. It is hard work but the rewards are great exercise, accomplishment getting the crops in, do you think any of our people will want to help out? Oh & we would all be paid most likely a minimum wage. This is true I heard it on our local farm forum this morning.

There probably won't be any social security, sorry kids you probably will be living under a different kind of government. We owe China big time maybe they will take over our country.

Haven't BO & the rest of his friends talked about a world government? Maybe that is where we are heading?

[Puckstop31]

Right now the farmers in this country are needing help & are asking our own people to come & work for them. It is hard work but the rewards are great exercise, accomplishment getting the crops in, do you think any of our people will want to help out? Oh & we would all be paid most likely a minimum wage. This is true I heard it on our local farm forum this morning.

I've been trying to get back into dairy farming for a long time now. 18 months ago it was really serious. But most guys are only getting 11-14$ a hundred weight right now. The 'good' predictions talk about $16.

I bet you know why the prices are what they are....

Why should I work my self to death, 7 days a week to break even, HOPEULLY? Even with a 300 head herd (260ish milkers).... If only the market determined prices....

There probably won't be any social security, sorry kids you probably will be living under a different kind of government. We owe China big time maybe they will take over our country.

Would you be willing to sacrifice anything to help your posterity?

Haven't BO & the rest of his friends talked about a world government? Maybe that is where we are heading?

Who knows? You can draw comparisons from Biblical prophecy.

How do you feel about that? The idea of the United States (or any nations really) conceding it's soverginty to the UN?

[Puckstop31]

Puck, there's a REASON I'm an officer for what is, for all intents and purposes, a public employees' Union.

Research the labor conditions in the US Post Office prior to 1970 and it might open your eyes to see why the APWU exists.

For another example of why we need Unions, read:

http://www.pressconnects.com/article...cal-violations

and take into consideration that management at the plant has been screwing with the employees repeatedly about BS safety violations, but when someone finally has had enough and calls OSHA for real violations, what happens?

I spent this morning in a pre-disciplinary interview for my comments to OSHA.

If the primary goal of being safe, was the mission of public employee unions, i'd be behind you. But when my property taxes go up 15% so that the teachers don't have simply not get a raise ONE year.... And so they don't have to contribute ONE CENT to their super-duper cadillac health plan... AND so they can build a shiny new stadium for the worst performing high school in the county... AND so that their pension plan remains solvent... All in a time of financial crisis.. (Except for public employee union members I guess.)

Ya see where I am going?

We told our staff... If it ever came up that we have to unionize our company, we are just closing the doors.

I get the safety thing. What I can't stand is the stuff I described.

[Lady's Human]

Puck, I just sent you a PM, but for everyone else:

If I wrote a novel about the reality of the USPS and tried to sell it as fiction, it would fail, as no one would believe it.

[RICHARD]

Puck, I just sent you a PM, but for everyone else:

If I wrote a novel about the reality of the USPS and tried to sell it as fiction, it would fail, as no one would believe it.

LOL, I'll write the sequel from the SEIU standpoint and we will both lose money?

[blue]

A few years ago hanging or burning Shrub in effigy was considered dissent and patriotic. My own brother made the front page of USA Today holding a picture of Shrub portrayed as hitler, not just comparing him to hitler but actually as hitler.

Fast forward to today, comparing Barry to his peers in history is HATE? What happened to dissent being patriotic?